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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.21--7.08am.Seattle.2019
            MsNadegda  qh2khg$lt5$21@dont-email.me
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.21--2.35pm.Seattle.2019
        MsNadegda  qh2m8r$lt5$34@dont-email.me
      MrChrisV  ci9bje57e57uqrlnvh0i60qesku2dcsmkf@4ax.com
    HughHuntzinger  28243c50-bc8f-4d26-8873-ca7eb905a1d6@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.22--11.54am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 1  m9 Top; 3.9 Hours, GoogleG, 143.85.5.26,  Jul 22 {  5:35am, 2019 }: 7^(PDT)  XΛɽс
      Puppies get rescued, not "stray humans".

Hugh Huntzinger:
> Given that the kids were born here, they're 100% US Citizens
> with all of the rights and long term demographic implications thereof. 

Which means ugly old men, with absolutely no personality,
are getting fooled by their (supposed) "wives",
leaving them with nothing but a child support obligation.

There's an army of enforcers to ensure that his paycheck+BankAccount
get attached; -- none of it is ever forgiven, not even if he's
a prisoner of war, fighting for America, in Iraq.

Failure to comply results in indefinite jail time;
if you don't pay, you must stay -- especially if she gets welfare.

And what of the kids from these wonderful "marriages" ?
Puppies get rescued, not "stray humans".
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.21--2.35pm.Seattle.2019
            MsNadegda  qh2m8r$lt5$34@dont-email.me
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.21--8.11pm.Seattle.2019
        Kensi  qh3bd2$p9$3@gioia.aioe.org
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.21--9.39pm.Seattle.2019
    MsNadegda  qh3no3$lt5$36@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.22--11.25am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 4  m380 Mad; 9.2 Hours, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jul 22 {   :14am, 2019 }:11  XΛȾʃ
      Blatant Scofflaw, Ms Nadegda, only wants rapists, not doctors.

Ms Nadegda replied ( to me ):
> > Ridiculously High minimum wages put people out of work,
> 
> [ my propaganda ] debunks that.

While the overall unemployment rate is under 4%, 
the rate for those who earn minimum wage is about 13%.

They deserve, and will get, a higher hourly rate ( 15+$/hr );
but everyone is scrambling to avoid paying them,
via boycotting [**], automation, and imports.
  [ **: I don't eat out, not even at McDonald's ]

In Vietnam, where wages are much lower,
street vendors provide high-quality, ultra-cheap food,
-- something Americans can only dream about.

What's more, they keep the place clean.

The Congressional Budget office (CBO):

  Many studies have found little or no effect
  of minimum wages on employment, but many others 
  have found substantial reductions in employment.
               [...]
  under the $15 option [...] CBO estimates that there is about 
  a two-thirds chance that the change in employment would 
  lie between about zero and a reduction of 3.7 million workers.
                     [...]
  the $15 option would reduce total real ( inflation-adjusted ) 
  family income in 2025 by $9 billion, or 0.1 percent.
  [...] mainly affecting low-income families.

  http://CBO.GOV/Publication/55410

> > > > Asian doctors have to wait 9 years to work in America,
> > > > while a rapist from Mexico gets in immediately.

The rapist just jumps the wall, sells methamphetamines,
and gets free healthcare, same as everyone else in America, who can't pay.
And he's totally under the radar, we can't hardly track him.

You only want rapists, not doctors.
Also, you're a blatant scofflaw.

> > > > receiving free healthcare+housing+food

The poorest person in America is damn rich;
he can get the best medical care and pay nothing.

If you believe otherwise, 
you simply don't live on planet Earth;
so I can't help you.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.21--7.08am.Seattle.2019
            MsNadegda  qh2khg$lt5$21@dont-email.me
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.21--2.35pm.Seattle.2019
        MsNadegda  qh2m8r$lt5$34@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.21--8.11pm.Seattle.2019
    Kensi  qh3bd2$p9$3@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.21--9.39pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 1  m203 Mad; 4.3 Minutes, NewsTap➤iPad, Aioe.ORG,  Jul 21 {  8:43pm, 2019 }:29^(2)  XΛbə
      Ridiculously High minimum wages put people out of work.

Kensi replied ( to me ):
> > A ridiculously high minimum wage puts people out of work;
> 
> The article Nadegda linked to debunks that. You didn't read it, did you? 
> You just read the headline and immediately started frothing.

I read the whole thing, slowly.

The 70 year chart of government deficits intrigued me the most;
I was shocked at how accurately it tracked my/our fortunes in life;
the higher the deficit spending, the worst things are/were.

Interest rates appear to track oil prices, after smoothing.

Ridiculously High minimum wages put people out of work, 
including automation and imports; I see it firsthand, all the time.

I could show you countless case studies, proving it,
but I don't feel the need, 
as it's beyond obvious to anybody with a working brain ( not you ).

> Asian doctors have to wait 9 years to work in America while a rapist
> from Mexico gets in immediately,

[citation NOT needed]

> receiving free healthcare+housing+food

[citation NOT needed]
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            MsNadegda  qh0ss3$lt5$7@dont-email.me
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.21--7.08am.Seattle.2019
        MsNadegda  qh2khg$lt5$21@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.21--2.35pm.Seattle.2019
    Siri_Cruise│chine_bleu@yahoo_  chine.bleu-AEB37F.16012521072019@reader.eternal-september.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.21--8.23pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 1  m117 Dropped; 2.3 Hours, NewsWatcher➤Mac, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jul 21 {  4: 1pm, 2019 }:34^(-7)  XΚწɞ
      Does Siri Cruise love rapists, hate doctors, or both ?

Siri Cruise replied ( to me ):
> > Those who come from afar, to break United States' laws,
> > SHOULD go to prison, right ?  otherwise, why do we have laws ?!
> 
> And why waste time on a trial when they're obvious guilty?

How is it that Asian doctors have to wait 9 years to work in America
while a rapist from Mexico gets in immediately, 
receiving free healthcare+housing+food, etc. ?

Do you love rapists, hate doctors, or both ?
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            MsNadegda  qh0ss3$lt5$7@dont-email.me
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.21--7.08am.Seattle.2019
        MsNadegda  qh2khg$lt5$21@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.21--2.35pm.Seattle.2019
    MsNadegda  qh2m8r$lt5$34@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.21--8.11pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 5  m376 Mad; 3.6 Hours, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jul 21 {  2:42pm, 2019 }:51  XΚჟp
      People rescue stray dogs and spit on the homeless.

Ms Nadegda replied ( to me ):
> > Those who come from afar, to break United States' laws,
> > SHOULD go to prison, right ?  otherwise, why do we have laws ?!
> 
> Seeking asylum is not a violation of our laws, right-winger.

Stop fooling yourself.  How is it that Asian doctors have to
wait 9 years to work in America while a rapist from Mexico 
gets in immediately, receiving free healthcare+housing+food, etc. ?

Do you love rapists, hate doctors, or both ?
 
> > You're the fascist, not me.
> > 
> > " Duped academic journal publishes 
> >   a rewrite of 'Mein Kampf' as a feminist manifesto "
> > https://www.timesofisrael.com/duped-academic-journal-publishes-rewrite-of-mein-kampf-as-feminist-manifesto/
> > 
> >   the substitution of feminist or anti-patriarchal 
> >   terminology for Hitler’s well-known screed was 
> >   evidently undetectable to the peer reviewers.  
> > 
> > Thought precedes action.
> 
> Incorrect.  You support the camps.  That makes you the fascist.

I looked up "Nazi Fascist" in the dictionary, your photo was there.

To your credit, at least you're not hiding it; 
so you're not fooling anyone ( for money );
e.g. pretending to be a meek "wife" and then turning on him.

> > Inflation is merely another (regressive) tax.
> > You've never met a tax that you didn't like, right kooky ? 

[crickets]

Cheap oil is keeping inflation low.
A ridiculously high minimum wage puts people out of work;
I've seen it, here in Seattle.  I don't eat out, that's for sure.

If there were no minimum wage, I'd be eating out every day,
employing people, left, right, and center.

Lower housing standards,
and everyone would have an affordable place to live.

People rescue stray dogs and spit on the homeless.
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        MsNadegda  qh0ss3$lt5$7@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.21--7.08am.Seattle.2019
    MsNadegda  qh2khg$lt5$21@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.21--2.35pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 2  m374 Mad; 1.9 Minutes, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jul 21 {  2:13pm, 2019 }:21  XΚლɑ
      Inflation is a _ good thing ?

Ms Nadegda replied ( to me ):
> > Today, males are pilloried the same way the Jews were
> > in Nazi Germany, right before the concentration camps.
> 
> I've got news for you, chucklefuck: the concentration camps 
> are already up and running, and it's Latinx people being 
> imprisoned in them, not white men. 

Those who come from afar, to break United States' laws,
go to prison, right ?  otherwise, why do we have laws ? !

> Get rid of your stupid persecution complex and look at
> who the real fascists, and their real victims, are!

You're the fascist, not me.

" Duped academic journal publishes 
  a rewrite of 'Mein Kampf' as a feminist manifesto "
https://www.timesofisrael.com/duped-academic-journal-publishes-rewrite-of-mein-kampf-as-feminist-manifesto/

  the substitution of feminist or anti-patriarchal 
  terminology for Hitler’s well-known screed was 
  evidently undetectable to the peer reviewers.  

Thought precedes action.

> > Now we have Ms Nadegda advocating inflation,
> 
> MID, kooky?

qh0ss3$lt5$7@dont-email.me

There, you advocate lowering interest rates 
because inflation is a _ good thing ( read the article ).

Trouble is inflation is merely another (regressive) tax.
You've never met a tax that you didn't like, right kooky ? 
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    MsNadegda  qh0ss3$lt5$7@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.21--7.08am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 5  m375 Mad; 7.7 Hours, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jul 20 { 10:23pm, 2019 }:15  XΚʭщ
      99% of men should not be having sex.

Today, males are pilloried the same way the Jews were
in Nazi Germany, right before the concentration camps.

Kick out your best+brightest, like Nazi Germany+Venezuela,
and you get hyperinflation, chaos.

Now we have Ms Nadegda advocating inflation,
which is a tax on the weakest+poorest.

People are gaming the system; guys exploit young woman
whose credit history hasn't been soiled yet;
-- she gets (fleeting) money, and he gets (fleeting) sex.

A fake wife gets you a real child support obligation;
and we get more human "strays" running around, homeless.
Bottom line:  99% of men should not be having sex.

http://Jeff-Relf.Me/Seattle.House.Prices.PNG
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            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.18--0.41pm.Seattle.2019
          Siri_Cruise│chine_bleu@yahoo_  chine.bleu-1BC8C9.15015718072019@reader.eternal-september.org
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.18--5.45pm.Seattle.2019
      BranimirMaksimovic  nIbYE.530389$sJ3.324214@fx04.am4
    Siri_Cruise│chine_bleu@yahoo_  chine.bleu-748C37.23072718072019@reader.eternal-september.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.19--3.15am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m127 Dropped; 3.7 Hours, NewsWatcher➤Mac, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jul 18 { 11: 7pm, 2019 }:35^(-7)  XΙzɟ
      Proud whores, Siri+Branimir.

Siri+Branimir replied ( to me ):
> > > I choose to _ not have sex, never.
> > > I will _ not allow a woman to boss me around; 
> > > nor will I let her steal my time+money.
> > 
> > you probably have to pay for sex...
> 
> Plus hazard pay.

Such proud whores you are !
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      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.18--0.41pm.Seattle.2019
    Siri_Cruise│chine_bleu@yahoo_  chine.bleu-1BC8C9.15015718072019@reader.eternal-september.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.18--5.45pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m129 Dropped; 2.4 Hours, NewsWatcher➤Mac, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jul 18 {  3: 2pm, 2019 }: 5^(-7)  XΘტɽ
      I choose to _ not have sex, never.

Siri Cruise replied ( to me ):
> The incel leading the incels.

I choose to _ not have sex, never.
I will _ not allow a woman to boss me around; 
nor will I let her steal my time+money.

I'm just trying to correct some myths about the female orgasm;
too many "experts" are clueless about it,
and they don't know how to do it vaginally.

YouTube comments won't let me post this info;
so I posted it here instead.
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      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.18--0.41pm.Seattle.2019
    Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  q3j1je1071l91j8om9qtrui0r5d485v7g2@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.18--1.06pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m334 Dropped; 8.2 Minutes, F_Agent, Alt.NET,  Jul 18 {   :48pm, 2019 }:21^(-4)  XΘьL
      Vaginal Orgasm.

Greg replied ( to me ):
> vaginal sex is only for reproductive purposes.

Is that why you have sex with men ?
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.18--0.41pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
      Vaginal Orgasm.

Note this actress' breathing, and tense+shaking legs,
as she _ vaginally orgasms:

  http://Jeff-Relf.Me/_Vaginal.Orgasm.mp4
  [ 3+ minutes run-time, 680 MegaBytes, 4k ]

Legs are the key to orgasm; see:

  " My First Orgasm - Kate Trower @ The Mystery Box Show ":
    https://Youtube.COM/watch?v=C7y_eOEM7i4

I am 59-year-old male, and I could have told you
the exact same story as Ms Kate, above.

To orgasm faster, a woman's legs should be tense, not lax;
e.g. stiffly pointing one's legs in opposite directions.
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              .  CNpXE.46156$Yu7.21648@fx41.iad
            JohnSefton  89fcca0d-6450-4f66-a5da-8479b03c7301@googlegroups.com
          Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  gpa6ujFbjnmU1@mid.individual.net
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.18--1.01am.Seattle.2019
      Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  gparvsFfrokU1@mid.individual.net
    Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  qgq4g2$1b73$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.18--10.51am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 3  m193 Mad; 1.5 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win7, Aioe.ORG,  Jul 18 {  8:50am, 2019 }:16^(-5)  XΘФʈ
      Detachment and Depression.

Sylvia Else wrote:
> Be aware of long term systemic drugs "side effects" drs are pushing on
> older people, part of obamacare and recomended by Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel,
> which cause people to "get out" earlier, saving the GOV billions in
> medicare, Social Security, and other Gov Services.
> It is going on now, folks.

You're preaching to the choir. 
I haven't spent a dime on healthcare, last 30+ years.
No health insurance, nothing.

I've never felt like doctors knew what they were doing.
The biggest health problems we face today are 
those affecting our youth: detachment and depression.

The more oxygen you breathe, the sooner you'll die.

  Goolge: oxidative-stress, case-studies.
  Quoting " Oxidative Stress and the Aging Brain ", Dr. Riddle, 2007.
  ncbi.nlm.NIH.GOV/books/NBK3869/

    Currently, one of the most plausible and acceptable 
    explanations for the mechanistic basis of aging is 
    the " free radical theory of aging " ...

    The origin of this explanation has a foundation in 
    the " rate of living theory " [ Pearl ], 
    according to which, the lifespan of an individual depends on
    its rate of energy utilization ( metabolic rate ) ... 

    Pearl proposed that the longevity of an organism 
    is inversely correlated to its mass-specific 
    metabolic rate: increasing an organism’s metabolic 
    rate will decrease longevity, whereas factors that 
    decrease the metabolic rate will increase longevity ... 

    birds have a low rate of free radical production
    in brain and in other tissues [ increasing their longevity ]
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        .  CNpXE.46156$Yu7.21648@fx41.iad
      JohnSefton  89fcca0d-6450-4f66-a5da-8479b03c7301@googlegroups.com
    Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  gpa6ujFbjnmU1@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.18--1.01am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m6 Top; 4.4 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win7, Individual.NET,  Jul 17 {  8:21pm, 2019 }:52^(10)  XΘʙϘ
      Be Grateful.

Sylvia:
> If things [antibiotics] continue the way they are, 
> the only surgery people will risk having is life-saving.
> Forget hip replacements, etc.

The trick is to be grateful for what little 
you have ( longevity, health, money, etc. ).
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              Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.379719eb1efdffc060b@news.altopia.com
            MsNadegda  qgl9tc$5qb$28@dont-email.me
          Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.3797dec34b4f022662c@news.altopia.com
        Pandora│pandora@peak_org  cckbv5.dt1.19.2@news.alt.net
      MsNadegda  qgnr4i$5qb$64@dont-email.me
    Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.379967092b8ca7466f@news.altopia.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.17--7.27pm.Seattle.2019
  Talk.Politics.Guns, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 5  m805 Mad; 1.1 Hours, MicroPlanet, Alt.NET➤NET-Abuse.Checkmate,  Jul 17 {  6:11pm, 2019 }: 6^(-7)  XΘʃр
      A colony for AOC and Ms Nadegda ?

Maybe we should create a colony for AOC, Ms Nadegda, 
and Million-Women-Marchers -- a real matriarchy.
Brazil has lots of land, I hear.
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              Carlos_E_R_│robin_listas@es_  3f830g-jsm.ln1@Telcontar.valinor
            Andy_Burns│usenet@andyburns_uk  gp90l3F3n8fU1@mid.individual.net
          Carlos_E_R_│robin_listas@es_  ko440g-a0c.ln1@Telcontar.valinor
        nospam│nospam@nospam_invalid  170720191446303505%nospam@nospam.invalid
      Carlos_E_R_│robin_listas@es_  39e40g-l2k.ln1@Telcontar.valinor
    Paul│nospam@needed_invalid  qgo5eu$fc2$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.17--7.11pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10
    ╱ 1  m216 Mad; 2.5 Hours, Ratcatcher/2_0_0_25, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jul 17 {  2:54pm, 2019 }:39^(-4)  XΘɣd
      I recently bought a TP-Link AC1750 (58$) Wi-Fi router.

I recently bought a TP-Link AC1750 (58$) Wi-Fi router:
    https://Amazon.COM/gp/product/B079JD7F7G

4 GigaBit LAN ports.  Separately, I have 8-port switches.
2'500 SqFt of WiFi Coverage.
3 "high-gain" antennas and "strong" amplifiers.
Connects to 50+ devices.  OpenWRT _ can be loaded on it.

It's for my tenants, and they haven't said anything; 
so I don't really know if it's any good or not.
Amazon recommended it, in the "budget" category.
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              Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.3797212ec709e0b0616@news.altopia.com
            MsNadegda  qglaa5$5qb$32@dont-email.me
          Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.3797dfb1a7613c6262f@news.altopia.com
        MsNadegda  qglv1h$5qb$52@dont-email.me
      Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37983993863d5d3265a@news.altopia.com
    Kensi  qgm6js$1f09$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.17--5.01am.Seattle.2019
  Talk.Politics.Guns, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m202 Mad; 7.5 Hours, NewsTap➤iPad, Aioe.ORG,  Jul 16 {  9: 2pm, 2019 }:  ^(2)  XΗЦɸ
      Be happy with what you got, and give more.

Kensi:
> Libtard's question is *still* unanswered ...

Be happy with what you got, and give more.

If protesters did that, leading by example, there'd be 
less depression, less detachment, and fewer heroin deaths.
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              Just_Wondering│JW@jw_com  LJ9XE.77436$SH.77138@fx03.iad
            MsNadegda  qgjcru$5qb$23@dont-email.me
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.16--7.49am.Seattle.2019
        MsNadegda  qgl9vk$5qb$29@dont-email.me
      Klaus_Schadenfreude│  d3nsie11s20jsialtt14sjjioc89bjj35n@4ax.com
    MsNadegda  qglujf$5qb$49@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.16--7.07pm.Seattle.2019
  Talk.Politics.Guns, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 10  m339 Mad; 16.4 Minutes, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jul 16 {  6:45pm, 2019 }:19  XΗϿΩ
      Ms Nadegda melted.

Ms Nadegda replied ( to Klaus ):
> > > > Trump 2024.
> > >
> > > Term limits, kooktard. Term limits.
> > 
> > A packed Supreme Court and Constitutional Amendments, kooktard.
> 
> Try it, and we'll open the fourth box of liberty all over your punk-ass.

Who triggered the left-wing snowflake ?

I think she melted.
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              Carlos_E_R_│robin_listas@es_  smjrvf-ks6.ln1@Telcontar.valinor
            Carlos_E_R_│robin_listas@es_  7hrsvf-gm6.ln1@Telcontar.valinor
          Carlos_E_R_│robin_listas@es_  s6g00g-7cb.ln1@Telcontar.valinor
        Paul│nospam@needed_invalid  qgkbg5$kd1$1@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.16--2.33pm.Seattle.2019
    Paul│nospam@needed_invalid  qglhdm$rlc$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.16--4.25pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10
    ╱ 1  m211 Mad; 25.3 Minutes, Ratcatcher/2_0_0_25, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jul 16 {  3:  pm, 2019 }:22^(-4)  XΗυM
      Have you replaced Windows File Explorer with XYplorer ?

Paul replied ( to me ):
> > Have you replaced Windows File Explorer with XYplorer, or some such ?
> 
> I'm too lazy to do stuff like that.
> https://www.raymond.cc/blog/6-free-portable-file-managers-quicker-file-operations/

OK, I was hoping you'd have a better alternative, but you don't;
so I'll stick with Windows File Explorer.
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              Carlos_E_R_│robin_listas@es_  lekpvf-5uc.ln1@Telcontar.valinor
            Paul│nospam@needed_invalid  qgd8l0$o5k$1@dont-email.me
          Carlos_E_R_│robin_listas@es_  smjrvf-ks6.ln1@Telcontar.valinor
        Carlos_E_R_│robin_listas@es_  7hrsvf-gm6.ln1@Telcontar.valinor
      Carlos_E_R_│robin_listas@es_  s6g00g-7cb.ln1@Telcontar.valinor
    Paul│nospam@needed_invalid  qgkbg5$kd1$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.16--2.33pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10
    ╳ m210 Mad; 10.2 Hours, Ratcatcher/2_0_0_25, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jul 16 {  4:13am, 2019 }: 8^(-4)  XΗɰȺ
      Have you replaced Windows File Explorer with XYplorer ?

Paul,

Have you replaced Windows File Explorer with XYplorer, or some such ?

If so, what do you recommend ?
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              Skeeter│lol@qmail_com  MPG.37965b3f31170fb198a310@news.eternal-september.org
            TheSnitBot  gp42i9F163qU20@mid.individual.net
          Just_Wondering│JW@jw_com  ZT4XE.42098$XI3.6899@fx39.iad
        TheSnitBot  gp4a8uF30hlU1@mid.individual.net
      Just_Wondering│JW@jw_com  LJ9XE.77436$SH.77138@fx03.iad
    MsNadegda  qgjcru$5qb$23@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.16--7.49am.Seattle.2019
  Talk.Politics.Guns, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 5  m313 Mad; 12 Hours, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jul 15 {  7:30pm, 2019 }:22  XΗPM
      Trump 2024.

Trump 2024.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--4.09pm.Seattle.2019
            Kompressor│Kompressor@local_  6JOWE.57023$lH5.51570@fx05.iad
          SteveCarroll  56096d9b-5213-4b24-b78d-aaa80fc7be17@googlegroups.com
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--8.16pm.Seattle.2019
      SteveCarroll  c67ab165-962c-40b3-8f84-e866235cce50@googlegroups.com
    MrChrisV  42hrie1niufah9rtgeeehf4jftvsc7d6m8@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.16--6.23am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m173 Dropped; 33.5 Minutes, F_Agent, HighWinds➤Fastusenet.ORG,  Jul 16 {  5:35am, 2019 }:38^(-5)  XΗɽრ
      Expensive monitors.

MrChrisV wrote:
> Relf's monitor is actually a TV, I think.  
> Has he bothered to clarify that, in all of this whining?

No, it's a 978$ monitor ( 2+ years ago ), not a cheap TV.

Philips bdm4037uw, 4k, 40", 25 lbs, mounted on a long-high monitor arm.
I've had a 4K monitor for 5+ years now.

I'm thinking of buying yet another one, for a higher refresh rate,
but I'd have to buy a new CPU+motherboard as well,
and I'm worried that the economy may be tanking soon.

Also, I can't decide what size I want.

> "'Easy to read' is good for TV, not computer science."  -  Jeff Relf

Amen brother, Preach it !
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              Frank_Slootweg│this@ddress_is_  qgi0gk.6ig.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.15--6.20am.Seattle.2019
          default│default@defaulter_net  1h6pie10o12bsiplbmn0bbqu1k368t46g2@4ax.com
        Carlos_E_R_│robin_listas@es_  lsg00g-7cb.ln1@Telcontar.valinor
      default│default@defaulter_net  3u5rie93ctoolervu8jc9b3aqql3vbuu36@4ax.com
    Carlos_E_R_│robin_listas@es_  0jr00g-m8j.ln1@Telcontar.valinor
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.16--6.04am.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 3  m50 Cool; 44.5 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤X11, Individual.NET,  Jul 16 {  5:12am, 2019 }:48^(2)  XΗɺm
      My computer never sleeps.

Yes, Carlos, my computer never sleeps.

I put my monitor to sleep so that there's no light, no back-lighting.

My computer draws a few watts, and
the CPU/GPU is slightly above room temperature.
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    Moderator│moderator@alt_comp_  ee3qie5b1o6f2ge4i141qg6r7mvefno853@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.16--5.49am.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m1 Shifty; 11.9 Hours, F_Agent, Aioe.ORG,  Jul 15 {  4:36pm, 2019 }: 9^(-5)  XΖჲ9
      Everyone is detached and depressed; voting is a joke.

AntiFa's lover wrote:
> If you're not white. GET LOST.....

I'm more red, less blue-green, RGB( 255, 224, 189 ); OK ?

> If you're a Democrat or Independent, GET LOST.....

Everyone is detached and depressed; voting is a joke.
Earning/Spending less is the easiest, 
most effective way to avoid taxes+regulations.

This time around, I think "The Depression" 
will be more mental than physical.

> If you're not an American citizen, GET LOST.....

Life is not a "True or False" test.
Single bit, binary thinking will get you nowhere.

> If you're a Homosexual, GET LOST.....

You don't like artists ? no music ?
White's learn from Blacks, men learn from women, and vice versa.
http://Jeff-Relf.Me/Global.Fertility.Rates.PNG

> If you're not a Christian, GET LOST.....

Buddha was Christlike, and that was more than enough.

> Only Trump supporters should be allowed to own
> and/or use computers.

Lipservice is not "support".

> Niggers, Spics, Gooks, Chinks, Japs, Muslims, Athiests. 
> Faggots, Queers, Butt fuckers, Homos, Lesbians, Transexuals, 
> Liberals, Democrats, Hillary Clinton, and illegal aliens.

Gay.
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              HerbertGlazier  00f3ff99-6dab-4034-a945-560429881be6@googlegroups.com
            MrAA  e865c0b0-a67b-4c69-94a8-a0d454c381ef@googlegroups.com
          HerbertGlazier  1c291286-82b4-46f1-b68c-c0e34f41b4f0@googlegroups.com
        MrAA  93b0fea6-26f1-4a0c-bccd-2ec776111343@googlegroups.com
      HerbertGlazier  b1d3dd3c-dfe7-4363-bde0-417d52af8575@googlegroups.com
    MrAA  42dfb9bc-a91c-4df4-b03e-ff1a488b6fc3@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.15--4.17pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 2  m64 Top; 20.8 Minutes, GoogleG, 205.153.48.25,  Jul 15 {  3:52pm, 2019 }:23^(PDT)  XΖცЕ
      The S&P 500 index looks more like a mountain than a valley.

MrAA:
> The stock market money keeps rolling in too.
> I guess I am playing that right.
> Have a lifetime of experience there.

The S&P 500 index looks more like a mountain than a valley;
i.e. it's more likely to fall than climb.

Rents in Portland are falling.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--9.22am.Seattle.2019
            Owl  sb99tag03a.wuuo@rooftop.invalid
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--11.16am.Seattle.2019
        .  sz8b90ga0g.ahu4@rooftop.invalid
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--0.07pm.Seattle.2019
    Frank_Slootweg│this@ddress_is_  qgi0gk.6ig.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.15--6.20am.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m1 Shifty; 53.4 Minutes, tin➤CygWin, Individual.NET,  Jul 15 {  4:57am, 2019 }: 9  XΖϟΞ
      I might have to upgrade my CPU+motherboard.

Frank replied ( to me ):
> > No one knows how to stop the mouse 
> > from accidentally waking the monitor;
> > apparently, it can't be done.
> 
> AFAIK, the 'powercfg' command can solve your problem.
> " powercfg /devicequery wake_armed " 

"wake_armed" returns just: " HID Keyboard Device (001) ";
i.e. hitting the keyboard will wake my computer.

> a mouse movement should no longer wake the computer/monitor.

It's become apparent to me that waking the monitor
is not the same thing as waking the computer;
there are settings for the latter, but not the former.

A mouse button toggles my monitor "off/on" (sleep/wake);
when a random bump wakes my monitor, my code turns it off again.

But, with DisplayPort, "sleep" is no different than "unplugged";
so I get blasted by a bright "no signal" message,
right when I'm trying to relax.

Hopefully, switching to a HDMI v2 cable will solve my problem; 
I'll know later this week, when it arrives.

My iGPU, the Core-i7-5775c, stops at HDMI v1.4;
so I might have to upgrade my CPU+motherboard.
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            ScottDoty  govhvtF1aajU1@mid.individual.net
          Paul│nospam@needed_invalid  qgeu0h$91t$1@dont-email.me
        ScottDoty  gp28f7Fjde4U1@mid.individual.net
      ScottDoty  gp2ch9Fjde4U2@mid.individual.net
    ScottDoty  gp2ct5Fjde4U3@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--9.57pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m7 Top; 31.7 Minutes, Pan, Individual.NET,  Jul 14 {  9:14pm, 2019 }:29  XΖʢʕ
      Why run Linux on Windows on Linux ?

Scott:
> I need to be running Virtualbox 6 
> to have a HyperV virt run inside it.

Why run Linux on Windows on Linux ?
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              Kompressor│Kompressor@local_  BVNWE.26002$V96.8494@fx06.iad
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--4.09pm.Seattle.2019
          Kompressor│Kompressor@local_  6JOWE.57023$lH5.51570@fx05.iad
        SteveCarroll  56096d9b-5213-4b24-b78d-aaa80fc7be17@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--8.16pm.Seattle.2019
    SteveCarroll  c67ab165-962c-40b3-8f84-e866235cce50@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--9.42pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m123 Cool; 6.7 Minutes, GoogleG,  Jul 14 {  9:11pm, 2019 }:40^(PDT)  XΖʡტ
      A button press would be much easier, and more reliable.

There's no "don't wake the monitor" setting, Steve.
"don't wake Windows" is completely different. 

I have a clunky solution already: 

  I turn my monitor towards the ceiling, away from me.

Your solution is ALSO clunky.

I would much rather have a software solution.

> you care more about the solution being button-launched 
> than you care about "trying to sleep".

A button press would be much easier, and more reliable,
were it possible.

As I said, over and over again, it's not BIG problem, Snit.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--6.49am.Seattle.2019
            .  mg9svf-7sm.ln1@Telcontar.valinor
          .  rjcsvf-69p.ln1@Telcontar.valinor
        .  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--1.24pm.Seattle.2019
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--6.33pm.Seattle.2019
    Char_Jackson│none@none_invalid  4stnieheko9cbani2bmqk96168lvdoqmp2@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--9.29pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m2 Shifty; 27.9 Minutes, F_Agent, HighWinds➤Newshosting.COM,  Jul 14 {  8:50pm, 2019 }:28^(-5)  XΖʞʔ
      Switching to a HDMI v2.0 cable should solve my "No Signal" problem.

Char Jackson replied ( to me ):
> > I bought a 6' cable from Walmart for 12$ total; 
> > Amazon wanted 20$, after shipping+taxes.
> 
> Bought online, I presume.

Yes, because I don't have a car, and I hate riding buses,
and Walmart is too far away from (deep) Seattle.

> To go outside, you'd probably have 
> to wear a welder's mask, right ? 

I just squint a lot, when walking into the sun,
and I put my hand over my eyes.

> Sensitive eyes wouldn't be much fun, 
> except in very limited circumstances.

It's great right now, in my dark room.
I look+act like a prototypical hacker/beard.
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              .  sz8b90ga0g.ahu4@rooftop.invalid
            .  rjvmie5fr514ajht8jpcmb53a76e0ocdfa@4ax.com
          .  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--1.05pm.Seattle.2019
        .  o8eniellbmm9c867ggmluh27q5pi76k6tn@4ax.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--5.07pm.Seattle.2019
    Char_Jackson│none@none_invalid  vjtnieljev0g33k005d6kcvgcrsbunbugf@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--9.16pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m1 Shifty; 2.8 Minutes, F_Agent, HighWinds➤Newshosting.COM,  Jul 14 {  8:45pm, 2019 }:42^(-5)  XΖʝχ
      Laying on your back is the only way to mouse.

Char Jackson replied ( to me ):
> > Laying on your back is the only way to mouse.
> 
> Hmmm, please tell me more.
> 
> Maybe I'm missing out on a good thing.
> I'm not opposed to mousing while laying in bed.

My mouse-arm rests on my "twin" bed, so my hand hangs over,
onto the side-table, where this mouse (+pad) is:

  http://Jeff-Relf.Me/MouseKeyboardLayout.PNG
  
Note:  There's no physical keyboard.
My virtual keyboard is extremely custom;
it might be too hard for you to create.

My 40' 4k monitor swings on a long+high monitor arm;
it's super-difficult to find a proper monitor arm, one that 
can handle a 25 lb, 40' monitor... you may have to improvise.
I use the Amazon Basics monitor arm, along with an extension.

Also, my table had to be reinforced with plywood and 
attached to it is a 25 lb counter-weight, using glue and clamps.

A large monitor is good for viewing (bright) videos, farther away.

When viewing text, up close, smaller monitors are better;
otherwise, the edges are too far from the center.
I'm not sure what the best compromise is.

DisplayPort is buggy ( sleep mode is effectively 
the same thing as pulling the cord ); use HDMI v2 instead.
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              Kompressor│Kompressor@local_  cYMWE.99474$s53.81675@fx33.iad
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--3.16pm.Seattle.2019
          Kompressor│Kompressor@local_  BVNWE.26002$V96.8494@fx06.iad
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--4.09pm.Seattle.2019
      Kompressor│Kompressor@local_  6JOWE.57023$lH5.51570@fx05.iad
    SteveCarroll  56096d9b-5213-4b24-b78d-aaa80fc7be17@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--8.16pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m121 Cool; 1.7 Hours, GoogleG,  Jul 14 {  6:  pm, 2019 }: 5^(PDT)  XΖʂ5
      Monitors waking up != Windows waking up.

Steve Carroll replied ( to Kompressor ):
> I don't see why the solution you suggested doesn't work. 
> online-tech-tips.com/computer-tips/stop-mouse-from-waking-windows-up-from-sleep-mode

You don't see a lot of things, Steve.

Monitors waking up != Windows waking up.
Besides, I tried it, and it doesn't stop the monitor from waking up.

> "At night, in a dark room, when I'm trying to sleep, movement jiggles 
> the mouse, briefly turning the monitor back on again (yikes!);"
> ... was just a cover story, it has nothing to do with what he wants.

"Snitty", adjective:

   Agitated or Annoyed.  Steve Carroll.
   " No point in getting all Steve Carroll over the weather. "

       https://YourDictionary.COM/Snitty
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--11.16am.Seattle.2019
            SteveCarroll  qgfsdp$ea3$2@dont-email.me
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--0.29pm.Seattle.2019
        SteveCarroll  acc175b3-d081-4dc6-af35-e85d514377f7@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--4.04pm.Seattle.2019
    SteveCarroll  972da643-1452-419b-b3af-ac6d4f0711a1@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--8.00pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 2  m121 Cool; 2.4 Hours, GoogleG,  Jul 14 {  5:21pm, 2019 }:31^(PDT)  XΖɻμ
      "Snitty", adjective.

Steve Carroll replied ( to me ):
> I just put a thick guitar pick under one side of my mouse,

OK, I'll try that.
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            Carlos_E_R_│robin_listas@es_  5aeqvf-o0v.ln1@Telcontar.valinor
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--6.49am.Seattle.2019
        Carlos_E_R_│robin_listas@es_  mg9svf-7sm.ln1@Telcontar.valinor
      Carlos_E_R_│robin_listas@es_  rjcsvf-69p.ln1@Telcontar.valinor
    JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--1.24pm.Seattle.2019
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--6.33pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 3  m49 Cool; 19.3 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤X11, Individual.NET,  Jul 14 {  4:49pm, 2019 }:18^(2)  XΖɶɌ
      Switching to a HDMI v2.0 cable should solve my "No Signal" problem.

I wrote:
> 15 seconds after the monitor is put to sleep 
> { possibly from a RANDOM awakening },
> as I'm starting to relax, "No Signal" flashes up, 
> annoying the crap out of me.

Switching to a HDMI v2.0 cable should 
solve my "No Signal" problem, I think.

I bought a 6' cable from Walmart for 12$, after shipping+taxes; 
Amazon wanted 20$, after shipping+taxes.

https://www.walmart.com/ip/2-0-HDMI-Cable-ready-for-For-PS3-PS4-PC-TV-Xbox-28AWG-Goldplate-Braided-Cord-HDMI-Cable-4K-6ft/329154783
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              Carlos_E_R_│robin_listas@es_  5aeqvf-o0v.ln1@Telcontar.valinor
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--6.49am.Seattle.2019
          Carlos_E_R_│robin_listas@es_  mg9svf-7sm.ln1@Telcontar.valinor
        Carlos_E_R_│robin_listas@es_  rjcsvf-69p.ln1@Telcontar.valinor
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--1.24pm.Seattle.2019
    Carlos_E_R_│robin_listas@es_  vkrsvf-gm6.ln1@Telcontar.valinor
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--5.36pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10
    ╱ 3  m49 Cool; 19.3 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤X11, Individual.NET,  Jul 14 {  4:49pm, 2019 }:18^(2)  XΖɶɌ
      DisplayPort 1.4 or HDMI v2.0 is different ?

Carlos E.R. wrote:
> > 15 seconds after the monitor is put to sleep 
> > { possibly from a RANDOM awakening },
> > as I'm starting to relax, "No Signal" flashes up, 
> > annoying the crap out of me.
> 
> I don't have that issue.
> But that is a bug between the operating system and the monitor. 
> They don't usually document bugs, you know.

It's a DisplayPort "feature", I think.
I wonder if DisplayPort 1.4 or HDMI v2.0 is different.
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              Paul│nospam@needed_invalid  qgg4vj$3t8$1@dont-email.me
            Paul│nospam@needed_invalid  qgg7sg$jah$1@dont-email.me
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--3.28pm.Seattle.2019
        Paul│nospam@needed_invalid  qggbmu$m0q$1@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--4.32pm.Seattle.2019
    Char_Jackson│none@none_invalid  n5fniepo7e9fp8cebh2cst212t6iomc1k5@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--5.18pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m24 Cool; 29.6 Minutes, F_Agent, HighWinds➤Newshosting.COM,  Jul 14 {  4:38pm, 2019 }:59^(-5)  XΖɴΔ
      The boom is busting.

Char Jackson replied ( to me ):
> Paul was suggesting that you use a VGA card to fake out the computer. 
> He didn't suggest that you actually run the monitor from VGA.

I might end up dropping another grand on another monitor.

Maybe next year; the boom is busting, I think.

I wonder how this will affect the upcoming elections.

I might end up on the streets, with very little privacy.
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              Owl  sb99tag03a.wuuo@rooftop.invalid
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--11.16am.Seattle.2019
          Owl  sz8b90ga0g.ahu4@rooftop.invalid
        Mandy_Liefbowitz│  rjvmie5fr514ajht8jpcmb53a76e0ocdfa@4ax.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--1.05pm.Seattle.2019
    Char_Jackson│none@none_invalid  o8eniellbmm9c867ggmluh27q5pi76k6tn@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--5.07pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m23 Cool; 2.7 Minutes, F_Agent, HighWinds➤Newshosting.COM,  Jul 14 {  4:23pm, 2019 }:29^(-5)  XΖɱთ
      Laying on your back is the only way to mouse.

Char Jackson replied ( to me ):
> 1. Move the computer out of the bedroom.   or
> 2. Move the bed out of the computer room.

Now you're just being silly.

Laying on your back is the only way to mouse.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--2.10pm.Seattle.2019
            Kompressor│Kompressor@local_  cYMWE.99474$s53.81675@fx33.iad
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--3.16pm.Seattle.2019
        Kompressor│Kompressor@local_  BVNWE.26002$V96.8494@fx06.iad
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--4.09pm.Seattle.2019
    Kompressor│Kompressor@local_  6JOWE.57023$lH5.51570@fx05.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--5.01pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m6 Shifty; 9.9 Minutes, slrn➤Linux, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Jul 14 {  4:16pm, 2019 }:18  XΖɰА
      Who makes the best monitors, Taiwan, Korea or ShenZhen ?

Kompressor replied ( to me ):
> > > Wear a blindfold when you sleep.
> > > You always seem to have the oddest problems.
> >
> > Yes, that's my problem, no one else cares.
> 
> You've gotten a lot of responses from people trying to help.

Yes, people _ here would help me, if they could;
but we aren't the people who make|review monitors.

> if it were such a big problem, there would be a solution, 
> mitgation or work around.

Right, that's precisely my point.
My problem too unique.

> I hope you find a solution. I'm out of ideas.

Thank you. 

I need something like an OLED 4K monitor.
Year after year, there's been little progress on that front.

Who makes the best monitors, Taiwan, Korea or ShenZhen ?

I wonder if Trump will put tariffs on them ?
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--9.22am.Seattle.2019
            Owl  sb99tag03a.wuuo@rooftop.invalid
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--11.16am.Seattle.2019
        Paul│nospam@needed_invalid  qgfsjd$k7g$1@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--3.52pm.Seattle.2019
    Jim│gazwad45@nowherelocal_org  rf0bqtu441wg.1wrcm6i6hjyy.dlg@40tude.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--4.44pm.Seattle.2019
  ➤Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10
    ╱ 1  m1 Shifty; 20.7 Minutes, 40tude, Aioe.ORG,  Jul 14 {  4: 5pm, 2019 }:26^(-4)  XΖɮე
      Collecting pocket lint.

Jim replied ( to me ):
> Maybe you should find another hobby because computers ain't the hobby for you Jeff.
> Collecting pocket lint or door knobs might prove fun for you.

How's that working out for you ?
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              Carlos_E_R_│robin_listas@es_  rjcsvf-69p.ln1@Telcontar.valinor
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--1.24pm.Seattle.2019
          Paul│nospam@needed_invalid  qgg4vj$3t8$1@dont-email.me
        Paul│nospam@needed_invalid  qgg7sg$jah$1@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--3.28pm.Seattle.2019
    Paul│nospam@needed_invalid  qggbmu$m0q$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--4.32pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10
    ╱ 1  m205 Mad; 33.9 Minutes, Ratcatcher/2_0_0_25, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jul 14 {  3:52pm, 2019 }:13^(-4)  XΖɬϻ
      DisplayPort is funky.

Paul replied ( to me ):
> Check your junk pile and see what sources you
> can use to "fake out" your monitor.  The digital
> ports seem like they need power sources to be faked out.

I am pretty sure I've got a firmware problem,
not a hardware problem.  DisplayPort is funky.
VGA can't run 4K.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--1.16pm.Seattle.2019
            Kompressor│Kompressor@local_  e7MWE.59295$0_.36597@fx02.iad
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--2.10pm.Seattle.2019
        Kompressor│Kompressor@local_  cYMWE.99474$s53.81675@fx33.iad
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--3.16pm.Seattle.2019
    Kompressor│Kompressor@local_  BVNWE.26002$V96.8494@fx06.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--4.09pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 4  m62 Shifty; 21.5 Minutes, slrn➤Linux, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Jul 14 {  3:21pm, 2019 }:21  XΖɧβ
      Different people, different problems.

Kompressor replied ( to me )::
> Wear a blindfold when you sleep.
> You always seem to have the oddest problems.

Yes, that's my problem, no one else cares.

Different people, different problems.

And it's very much a first-world problem, not a big deal.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--9.22am.Seattle.2019
            Owl  sb99tag03a.wuuo@rooftop.invalid
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--11.16am.Seattle.2019
        SteveCarroll  qgfsdp$ea3$2@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--0.29pm.Seattle.2019
    SteveCarroll  acc175b3-d081-4dc6-af35-e85d514377f7@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--4.04pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m119 Cool; 3.1 Hours, GoogleG,  Jul 14 {   :37pm, 2019 }:57^(PDT)  XΖɄɵ
      The table has to be close to my bed because that's where I use my PC.

Steve Carroll replied ( to me ):
> My mouse doesn't read anything when it's on its back or
> if I cover the sensor... or just unplug it. Flip it over, set it on 
> the nightstand and see if it triggers. <shrug>.

My mouse must be immediately available, 24/7.
The table, with the mouse, sometimes gets hit;
even when I'm sleeping.

The table has to be close to my bed because that's where I use my PC.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--9.06am.Seattle.2019
            Owl  avzubuo3gau30.3y@rooftop.invalid
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--9.22am.Seattle.2019
        Owl  sb99tag03a.wuuo@rooftop.invalid
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--11.16am.Seattle.2019
    Paul│nospam@needed_invalid  qgfsjd$k7g$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--3.52pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m12 Shifty; 4.1 Hours, Ratcatcher/2_0_0_25, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jul 14 { 11:34am, 2019 }:20^(-4)  XΖȷВ
      My Philips bdm4037uw has only one "button": a joystick/button.

Paul replied ( to me ):
> Sometimes, certain combinations of those adjustment buttons
> on the LCD monitor, change how it works.

My Philips bdm4037uw has only one "button": a joystick/button.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--11.16am.Seattle.2019
            Owl  sz8b90ga0g.ahu4@rooftop.invalid
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--0.07pm.Seattle.2019
        BranimirMaksimovic  xgMWE.736825$Xh7.398042@fx25.am4
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--2.14pm.Seattle.2019
    BranimirMaksimovic  3LNWE.1734119$Szs1.1316845@fx08.am4
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--3.35pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m3 Top; 9.2 Minutes, slrn➤Linux, HighWinds➤Usenet-News.NET,  Jul 14 {  3:10pm, 2019 }: 7  XΖɥϵ
      Firefox v67, Developers Edition, Windows 10 v1903, Home Edition.

Branimir replied ( to me ):
> > > >     http://Jeff-Relf.Me/YouTubeComHist.PNG
> > > 
> > > You are amazing!
> >
> > What ?! why ?!  Do you also have sensitive eyes ?
> 
> No, but [ isn't this a ] Linux tiling window manager ?

No, the screenshot shows:

  Firefox v67, Developers Edition, Windows 10 v1903, Home Edition.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--6.49am.Seattle.2019
            Carlos_E_R_│robin_listas@es_  mg9svf-7sm.ln1@Telcontar.valinor
          Carlos_E_R_│robin_listas@es_  rjcsvf-69p.ln1@Telcontar.valinor
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--1.24pm.Seattle.2019
      Paul│nospam@needed_invalid  qgg4vj$3t8$1@dont-email.me
    Paul│nospam@needed_invalid  qgg7sg$jah$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--3.28pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10
    ╱ 2  m204 Mad; 32.4 Minutes, Ratcatcher/2_0_0_25, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jul 14 {  2:46pm, 2019 }:55^(-4)  XΖɡе
      Is your monitor using VGA ?

Paul replied ( to me ):
> Try the following. No promises.
> If the monitor has a VGA input...

My 60 Hz 4K monitor uses DisplayPort v1.2 .

> If all cables indicate they've fallen off, 
> then perhaps the monitor is in the best position to put up
> the "No Signal" dialog.

Preach !

Is your monitor using VGA ?
if so, you can't duplicate my scenario.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--0.07pm.Seattle.2019
            Kompressor│Kompressor@local_  qiLWE.58623$I%1.5034@fx08.iad
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--1.16pm.Seattle.2019
        Kompressor│Kompressor@local_  e7MWE.59295$0_.36597@fx02.iad
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--2.10pm.Seattle.2019
    Kompressor│Kompressor@local_  cYMWE.99474$s53.81675@fx33.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--3.16pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m4 Shifty; 23.6 Minutes, slrn➤Linux, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Jul 14 {  2:15pm, 2019 }:52  XΖɜϘ
      "wake the computer" is unchecked.

Kompressor replied ( to me )::
> > > Try the Root Hub the port is on.
> > > That is where the power management options are.
> >
> > The "wake the computer" option is grayed out.
> 
> Google:  USB-root-hub, "wake the computer", greyed-out

"wake the computer" is unchecked; 
so I don't care if it's grayed-out or not.

I want to NOT wake the monitor -- not the computer.
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              Carlos_E_R_│robin_listas@es_  5aeqvf-o0v.ln1@Telcontar.valinor
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--6.49am.Seattle.2019
          Carlos_E_R_│robin_listas@es_  mg9svf-7sm.ln1@Telcontar.valinor
        Carlos_E_R_│robin_listas@es_  rjcsvf-69p.ln1@Telcontar.valinor
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--1.24pm.Seattle.2019
    Paul│nospam@needed_invalid  qgg4vj$3t8$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--2.35pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10
    ╱ 1  m203 Mad; 10.9 Minutes, Ratcatcher/2_0_0_25, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jul 14 {  1:57pm, 2019 }:22^(-4)  XΖəγ
      15 seconds after the monitor is put to sleep.

Paul replied ( to me )::
> My Acer monitor sets the power LED to amber, when the
> RGBHV signals all go to zero DC.  And the screen goes black.

Fifteen seconds later, my monitor flashes a bright-white
dialog screen that says "Attention: No Video Input".

> My monitor knows the difference between computer S1 sleep
> ( screen goes black ) versus cable has fallen off.

When you put your monitor to sleep, you don't get 
"Attention: No Video Input" fifteen seconds later ?

Maybe I should buy a new monitor; 
Amazon doesn't sell a "4K OLED Monitor".

Monitor-Reviews don't mention these things;
the vast majority of people just don't care.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--9.22am.Seattle.2019
            Owl  sb99tag03a.wuuo@rooftop.invalid
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--11.16am.Seattle.2019
        Owl  sz8b90ga0g.ahu4@rooftop.invalid
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--0.07pm.Seattle.2019
    BranimirMaksimovic  xgMWE.736825$Xh7.398042@fx25.am4
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--2.14pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m2 Top; 39 Minutes, slrn➤Linux, HighWinds➤Usenet-News.NET,  Jul 14 {  1:29pm, 2019 }:17  XΖɔы
      Do you also have sensitive eyes ?

Branimir replied ( to me ):
> > No monitor-reviews mentioned it because 
> > most people don't operate in pitch-black rooms, like I do;
> > nor do their screens look like this:
> >
> >     http://Jeff-Relf.Me/YouTubeComHist.PNG
> 
> You are amazing!

What ?! why ?!

Do you also have sensitive eyes ?
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--11.16am.Seattle.2019
            Owl  sz8b90ga0g.ahu4@rooftop.invalid
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--0.07pm.Seattle.2019
        Kompressor│Kompressor@local_  qiLWE.58623$I%1.5034@fx08.iad
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--1.16pm.Seattle.2019
    Kompressor│Kompressor@local_  e7MWE.59295$0_.36597@fx02.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--2.10pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m3 Shifty; 48.9 Minutes, slrn➤Linux, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Jul 14 {  1:19pm, 2019 }:22  XΖɓɒ
      I spent hours googling, looking for a better monitor.

Kompressor:
> > > Device Manager --> USB --- Find the USB port that the mouse is plugged into
> > > Go into Power Management and UNSELECT "Allow This Device To Wake The Computer".
> >
> > Nothing to de-select, not an option.
> 
> Try the Root Hub the port is on.
> That is where the power management options are.

The option is grayed out.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.13--7.33am.Seattle.2019
            Mayayana│mayayana@invalid_  qgctgh$nha$1@dont-email.me
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.13--0.21pm.Seattle.2019
        Mayayana│mayayana@invalid_  qgdhcq$9n3$1@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.13--2.59pm.Seattle.2019
    John│Man@the_keyboard  e71niedfr7sq7ehqgop1tt90hb6df6d8ha@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--2.06pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10
    ╱ 1  m4 Cool; 5.6 Minutes, F_Agent, Netfront.NET,  Jul 14 {   :49pm, 2019 }:13^(1)  XΖɌȿ
      I'm happy to answer calls 24/7.

John replied ( to me ):
> Have a small, glowing lamp turn on *first* to allow your onboard
> optics to adjust to seeing light. *then* hit the monitor on-switch. 

No, I don't want that.

I have three or four brightness levels+areas I can turn on,
but I only turn them on for very specific reasons, 
and "waking up" is not one of them.

> You *never* accept any advice and any gratitude expressed 
> is grudging and tainted with " ... but ...". 

.... John said, looking in the mirror.

> > Bria v5, my Win10 soft phone, responds to incoming calls.
> > I might be asleep, for example, with the monitor powered-off,
> > when someone calls me.  I answer the phone ( via a mouse button )
> 
> So don't. Let it go to voicemail. Let them call back. 

On Windows, my Bria soft-phone doesn't register missed calls
when it's not running; also, Bria records text messages.
I've never owned a "smart (cell) phone".

I tell everyone that I'm happy to answer calls 24/7;
I sleep odd hours, no one knows what I might be asleep or awake.

> > My eyes don't like the surprise.
> 
> Have you tried wearing a sleep-mask ?

I don't need that, I can just close my eyes or look away.
Also, I point my monitor towards the ceiling, away from me, in bed.
For the thousandth time, I said this was NOT a big problem.

> "Oh, but I *CAN'T* do *THAT* because I need to see to ...." 
> Right ? 

Right.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--9.22am.Seattle.2019
            Owl  sb99tag03a.wuuo@rooftop.invalid
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--11.16am.Seattle.2019
        Owl  sz8b90ga0g.ahu4@rooftop.invalid
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--0.07pm.Seattle.2019
    Mandy_Liefbowitz│  c10nie12r6ddme808ppsp53qborjf8imj3@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--1.44pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10
    ╱ 1  m2 Shifty; 20.2 Minutes, F_Agent, Netfront.NET,  Jul 14 {   :34pm, 2019 }:37^(1)  XΖɁУ
      100% "black" is bright gray.

Mandy replied ( to me ):
> > No one knows how to stop the mouse 
> > from accidentally waking the monitor;
> > apparently, it can't be done.
> 
> Yes, it can and it is *easy*.
> Switch off the monitor at the power button, wall socket or any
> powerstrip between the two. 

Then I have to deal with the flash screen when the monitor turns on.

> I'm not impressed by that as an objection but, no doubt, you are. 

You're not me; I'm _ very _ unusual.
As I've said, repeatedly, it's NOT a big problem.
War in the Middle East is a bigger problem.

> darken the screen  

I set brightness to zero and keep it there, always.

> a screensaver that goes very, very dark

No such thing exists ( 100% "black" is bright gray );
I can't sleep with the back-lights on.

> > The solution is simple: point the monitor to the ceiling.
> 
> True, it won't be as glaringly bright on the ceiling but the
> difference is probably going to be marginal when compared
> to the gloom of the night. 

So long as I don't have to stare at a bright object, I'm OK-ish.

> Still, it's your sleep hours. 
> If you want them interrupted, who are we to suggest solutions ?

I don't want that, obviously. 
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              Mayayana│mayayana@invalid_  qgdhcq$9n3$1@dont-email.me
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.13--2.59pm.Seattle.2019
          Carlos_E_R_│robin_listas@es_  5aeqvf-o0v.ln1@Telcontar.valinor
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--6.49am.Seattle.2019
      Carlos_E_R_│robin_listas@es_  mg9svf-7sm.ln1@Telcontar.valinor
    Carlos_E_R_│robin_listas@es_  rjcsvf-69p.ln1@Telcontar.valinor
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--1.24pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10
    ╱ 1  m46 Cool; 22.1 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤X11, Individual.NET,  Jul 14 {   :32pm, 2019 }:43^(2)  XΖɁʣ
      15 seconds after the monitor is put to sleep.

Carlos E.R. wrote:
> Acer doesn't display any logo when waking up from sleep.

Nor does mine, that's standard.

15 seconds after the monitor is put to sleep 
{ possibly from a RANDOM awakening },
as I'm starting to relax, "No Signal" flashes up, 
annoying the crap out of me.

No monitor-review discusses this topic;
I'm the only one that cares.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--9.22am.Seattle.2019
            Owl  sb99tag03a.wuuo@rooftop.invalid
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        Owl  sz8b90ga0g.ahu4@rooftop.invalid
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--0.07pm.Seattle.2019
    Kompressor│Kompressor@local_  qiLWE.58623$I%1.5034@fx08.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--1.16pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m2 Shifty; 31.8 Minutes, slrn➤Linux, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Jul 14 {   :23pm, 2019 }: 2  XΖȿм
      I spent hours googling, looking for a better monitor.

> > No one knows how to stop the mouse 
> > from accidentally waking the monitor;
> > apparently, it can't be done.
> 
> Device Manager - > Mice and other pointing devices --Select your mouse
> -->Properties--->Power Management--- > UNSELECT the box that says 
> "Allow this device to wake the computer"  -->Save it.

Did that, didn't work.

> Device Manager --> USB --- Find the USB port that the mouse is plugged into
> Go into Power Management and UNSELECT "Allow This Device To Wake The Computer".

Nothing to de-select, not an option.

> If not, get a cover for the monitor 

No, I just turn the monitor towards the ceiling.

> or a blindfold to cover your eyes when you sleep.

No, it's enough to just keep my eyes closed
and/or not focus on bright objects.
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            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--9.22am.Seattle.2019
          Owl  sb99tag03a.wuuo@rooftop.invalid
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--11.16am.Seattle.2019
      Owl  sz8b90ga0g.ahu4@rooftop.invalid
    Mandy_Liefbowitz│  rjvmie5fr514ajht8jpcmb53a76e0ocdfa@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--1.05pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10
    ╱ 2  m2 Shifty; 40 Minutes, F_Agent, Netfront.NET,  Jul 14 {   :14pm, 2019 }:53^(1)  XΖȾʭ
      I turn the brightness to zero, first thing, whenever I get a monitor.

Mandy:
> turn down the brightness before retiring to sleep. 
> If turned down until it is a mere glimmer, the gleam of the glowing
> advertisement should not be too painful even in the gloom of night. 

I turn the brightness to zero, first thing, whenever I get a monitor,
and it stays there.

Besides not wanting to see the advertisement, all the time,
my (Swiss) eyes are far more sensitive than yours.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.13--0.21pm.Seattle.2019
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          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.13--2.59pm.Seattle.2019
        Carlos_E_R_│robin_listas@es_  5aeqvf-o0v.ln1@Telcontar.valinor
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--6.49am.Seattle.2019
    Carlos_E_R_│robin_listas@es_  mg9svf-7sm.ln1@Telcontar.valinor
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--0.36pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10
    ╱ 1  m45 Cool; 2.8 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤X11, Individual.NET,  Jul 14 { 11:39am, 2019 }:50^(2)  XΖȸϖ
      Seeing an advertisement, first thing in the morning.

Carlos replied ( to me ):
> My Samsung displays "Samsung" in grey over a blue ellipse,
> the rest is black.  The acer displays "acer" in green on black
> ( I just looked at both, switched off all the room lights ).
> None does a "super-annoying+blinding splash screen".

My eyes are _ extremely _ sensitive -- far more than most;
besides, I don't appreciate seeing an advertisement,
first thing in the morning.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--9.06am.Seattle.2019
            Owl  avzubuo3gau30.3y@rooftop.invalid
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--9.22am.Seattle.2019
        Owl  sb99tag03a.wuuo@rooftop.invalid
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--11.16am.Seattle.2019
    SteveCarroll  qgfsdp$ea3$2@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--0.29pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m1 Shifty; 11.3 Minutes, slrn➤openMac, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jul 14 { 11:31am, 2019 }:21  XΖȷɑ
      Never do I look at my mouse, before I press a button.

Steve Carroll asked me:
> How could you find the "global hotkey" in 
> this "pitch black room", genius?
> Maybe... Turn a light on... Ya think?

To answer my phone, or to toggle my monitor On/Off,
or to toggle my keyboard On/Off, etc.,
I simply press a mouse button; to wit:

  http://Jeff-Relf.Me/MouseKeyboardLayout.PNG

Never do I look at my mouse, before I press a button.
I do it in a pitch-black room, all the time, 
after being awoken by my ringing phone.

When my monitor turns on, I see a mostly-black screen; to wit:

    http://Jeff-Relf.Me/YouTubeComHist.PNG

When watching bright videos, I push my monitor back, 
farther away from me.  This is where a 40" screen 
( on my bizarrely long+high monitor–arm ) really helps.

Also my eyes adjust to the brightness, eventually.
My blue eyes are ultra sensitive -- my mom was the same way;
it's a Swiss thing, apparently.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--9.06am.Seattle.2019
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          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--9.22am.Seattle.2019
        Owl  sb99tag03a.wuuo@rooftop.invalid
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--11.16am.Seattle.2019
    Owl  sz8b90ga0g.ahu4@rooftop.invalid
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--0.07pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 2  m48 Top; 15.6 Minutes, BadRig, Alt.NET, Boom.Rooftop,  Jul 14 { 11:26am, 2019 }:52  XΖȶʬ
      I spent hours googling, looking for a better monitor.

Owl,

No one knows how to stop the mouse 
from accidentally waking the monitor;
apparently, it can't be done.

I'm not "moving the goal posts"; I simply explained why 
turning the monitor off/on is not an adequate solution to 
my "no signal" problem ( flashing me 15 seconds after 
the monitor is put to sleep { from a RANDOM awakening } ).

The solution is simple: point the monitor to the ceiling.

Like I said, it's not a big deal; 
it's just something I'd avoid, if I could.

I spent hours googling, looking for a better monitor;
I found plenty of sympathy, but no solutions.

No monitor-reviews mentioned it because 
most people don't operate in pitch-black rooms, like I do;
nor do their screens look like this:

    http://Jeff-Relf.Me/SleepPat.PNG
    http://Jeff-Relf.Me/Diff.PNG
    http://Jeff-Relf.Me/SearchBar.PNG

    Jeff-Relf.Me/YouTubeComments.PNG   Jeff-Relf.Me/YouTubeComHist.PNG
    Jeff-Relf.Me/YouTubeNotices.PNG    Jeff-Relf.Me/YouTubeSubs.PNG
    Jeff-Relf.Me/X.PNG                 Jeff-Relf.Me/SleepPat.PNG
    Jeff-Relf.Me/Chess.PNG             Jeff-Relf.Me/Super.Fast.Monopoly.PNG
    Jeff-Relf.Me/Reversi.PNG           Jeff-Relf.Me/Solitair.PNG
    Jeff-Relf.Me/Mario.PNG             Jeff-Relf.Me/Glyph.PNG
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              Owl  uzxcb003tgag.uo4@rooftop.invalid
            .  b19643ab-ae09-4cab-a171-27eb77310231@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--9.06am.Seattle.2019
        Owl  avzubuo3gau30.3y@rooftop.invalid
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--9.22am.Seattle.2019
    Owl  sb99tag03a.wuuo@rooftop.invalid
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--11.16am.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╳ 1  m9 Top; 58.4 Minutes, BadRig, Alt.NET, Boom.Rooftop,  Jul 14 { 10:  am, 2019 }:41  XΖof
      I don't want to be blinded by an advertisement, first thing.

Owl asked me:
> > I don't want to be blinded by an advertisement, first thing.
> > How could a power strip stop the splash screen ?
> 
> How would the splash screen work without power?

What do you think a "splash screen" is ? !

    1. Turn on monitor, to start my day, in the pitch-black room.

    2. Splash Screen appears, blinding me.

    3. Note the brand of my monitor ( for the millionth time ).

    4. Turn off the monitor, because "Owl" said so.

You can't see any problems with this, above ?

I could never use the monitor.
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              Owl  uzxcb003tgag.uo4@rooftop.invalid
            SteveCarroll  b19643ab-ae09-4cab-a171-27eb77310231@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--9.06am.Seattle.2019
        Owl  avzubuo3gau30.3y@rooftop.invalid
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--9.22am.Seattle.2019
    SteveCarroll  30a415da-3b36-431a-8bee-b938b8575ea4@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--10.56am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╳ 7  m114 Cool; 1.3 Hours, GoogleG,  Jul 14 {  9:29am, 2019 }: 1^(PDT)  XΖiл
      I want the monitor on, I do not want an advertisement blinding me.

Snit asked me:
> > It is on a nightstand, on a hard mousepad.
> > My arm rests on my bed, but my hand is on the mouse, on the nightstand.
> 
> While you're sleeping?

No because, unlike you, I'm human.

> > I don't want to be blinded by an advertisement, first thing,
> > after waking up, in a pitch black room.
> > How could a power strip stop the splash screen ?
> 
> No power = no light.

No power = unusable PC.

I want the monitor on, I do not want an advertisement blinding me,
when I wake up, in a pitch black room.

Your standards are quite different, apparently.
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              Mayayana│mayayana@invalid_  qgdhcq$9n3$1@dont-email.me
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.13--2.59pm.Seattle.2019
          Owl  uzxcb003tgag.uo4@rooftop.invalid
        SteveCarroll  b19643ab-ae09-4cab-a171-27eb77310231@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--9.06am.Seattle.2019
    Owl  avzubuo3gau30.3y@rooftop.invalid
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--9.22am.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m40 Top; 3.6 Minutes, BadRig, Alt.NET, Boom.Rooftop,  Jul 14 {  9:12am, 2019 }:38  XΖgc
      I don't want to be blinded by an advertisement, first thing.

Owl asked me:
> Why do you sleep with your mouse in the bed with you ?
> Put in on a nightstand.

It is on a nightstand, on a hard mousepad.
My arm rests on my bed, but my hand is on the mouse, on the nightstand.

How could a power strip stop the splash screen ?

I don't want to be blinded by an advertisement, first thing,
after waking up, in a pitch black room.
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              Mayayana│mayayana@invalid_  qgctgh$nha$1@dont-email.me
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.13--0.21pm.Seattle.2019
          Mayayana│mayayana@invalid_  qgdhcq$9n3$1@dont-email.me
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.13--2.59pm.Seattle.2019
      Owl  uzxcb003tgag.uo4@rooftop.invalid
    SteveCarroll  b19643ab-ae09-4cab-a171-27eb77310231@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--9.06am.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
      I don't want to be blinded by an advertisement, first thing.

Me, Owl and Steve:
> > > The problem with turning the monitor off/on is 
> > > the super-annoying+blinding splash screen ( in a pitch-black room ).
> > > Monitor reviews don't mention anything about that.
> > 
> > 1. Get power strip for your monitor.  [ something, something ]
> 
> Put "stuff" [?] in 'night mode'

Waking up at night, in a pitch black room,
and turn on a monitor, I get blasted by a "splash screen",
advertising the brand of my monitor, is if I didn't already know it.

I don't want to be blinded by an advertisement, first thing.

Others feel the same way, but no one has posted a solution;
hours of googling came up empty; 
monitor reviews _ completely _ ignore this issue.

Some here have claimed that their monitors don't have this "splash screen",
but they can't tell me the make and model number.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.13--7.33am.Seattle.2019
            Mayayana│mayayana@invalid_  qgctgh$nha$1@dont-email.me
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.13--0.21pm.Seattle.2019
        Mayayana│mayayana@invalid_  qgdhcq$9n3$1@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.13--2.59pm.Seattle.2019
    Carlos_E_R_│robin_listas@es_  5aeqvf-o0v.ln1@Telcontar.valinor
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--6.49am.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m41 Cool; 8.2 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤X11, Individual.NET,  Jul 13 {  6:49pm, 2019 }:25^(2)  XΕАɕ
      Your monitor goes from black[off] to gray[on] ?

Carlos replied ( to me ):
> None of my monitors [ flash a splash screen ], 

I've never seen a monitor without a splash screen.

Your monitor goes from black[off] to gray[on],
nothing more ? 

What's the brand+model ?  How old is it ?

I spent hours googling this "splash screen" issue;
found nothing.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.13--4.47am.Seattle.2019
            Paul│nospam@needed_invalid  qgcilf$o94$1@dont-email.me
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.13--7.33am.Seattle.2019
        Mayayana│mayayana@invalid_  qgctgh$nha$1@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.13--0.21pm.Seattle.2019
    Mayayana│mayayana@invalid_  qgdhcq$9n3$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.13--2.59pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 2  m43 Cool; 25.2 Minutes, Outlook, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jul 13 {  2:10pm, 2019 }:25^(-4)  XΕμЗ
      My eyes don't like the surprise.

Mayayana replied ( to me ):
> If you want the monitor off then why not just turn it off?

The problem with turning the monitor off/on is 
the super-annoying+blinding splash screen ( in a pitch-black room ).
Monitor reviews don't mention anything about that.

No one talks about it, not even in the manuals.
I'm a strange duck, apparently; no one but me cares about it.

> Or put the whole system in standby.
> I don't see the point of putting only the monitor to sleep.

Bria v5, my Win10 soft phone, responds to incoming calls.

I might be asleep, for example, with the monitor powered-off,
when someone calls me.  I answer the phone ( via a mouse button )
without turning the monitor on.  My eyes don't like the surprise.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.13--4.47am.Seattle.2019
            Paul│nospam@needed_invalid  qgcilf$o94$1@dont-email.me
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.13--7.33am.Seattle.2019
        Mayayana│mayayana@invalid_  qgctgh$nha$1@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.13--0.21pm.Seattle.2019
    Paul│nospam@needed_invalid  qgdh26$7qf$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.13--2.43pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10
    ╱ 2  m204 Mad; 30.4 Minutes, Ratcatcher/2_0_0_25, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jul 13 {  2: 5pm, 2019 }:11^(-4)  XΕλх
      A monitor that doesn't flash "No Video Input" ?

Paul replied ( to me ):
> > Is there monitor that doesn't flash "No Video Input"
> > after you (supposedly) put the monitor to sleep ? 
> > it should be optional.
> > 
> > I've no way of knowing which monitors don't do that, if any.
> 
> Why not crack the manual that came with your
> fancy monitor, and see if it has a section about
> the OSD, with what options are available.

I am well aware of every option on my current monitor;
there's no way to turn off the "No Video Input" thing.

It's not a big deal, as I can always point the monitor to the ceiling.
I think my next monitor is going to be quite a bit smaller (27"?);
so the corners aren't so far away, compared to the center.

First world problems.
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              .  o1gmvf-bsd.ln1@Telcontar.valinor
            .  qgc7as$tda$1@dont-email.me
          .  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.13--4.47am.Seattle.2019
        .  qgcilf$o94$1@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.13--7.33am.Seattle.2019
    Mayayana│mayayana@invalid_  qgctgh$nha$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.13--0.21pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m2 Cool; 2 Hours, Outlook, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jul 13 {  8:31am, 2019 }: 4^(-4)  XΕʛȶ
      A monitor that doesn't flash "No Video Input" ?

Is there a monitor that doesn't flash "No Video Input"
after you (supposedly) put the monitor to sleep ? 
it should be optional.

I've no way of knowing which monitors don't do that, if any.

Mayayana,

I went to Device Manager and deselected
"Allow this device to bring computer out of standby" 
wherever possible, under HID and "Mice and other pointing devices".

It had no effect, mouse moment still wakes my monitor.

I googled << "WaitWakeEnabled" mouse >>;
didn't see anything relevant.
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          Carlos_E_R_│robin_listas@es_  o1gmvf-bsd.ln1@Telcontar.valinor
        wasbit│wasbitREMOVE@hotmail_  qgc7as$tda$1@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.13--4.47am.Seattle.2019
    Paul│nospam@needed_invalid  qgcilf$o94$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.13--7.33am.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 2  m200 Mad; 1.1 Hours, Ratcatcher/2_0_0_25, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jul 13 {  5:26am, 2019 }:24^(-4)  XΕɼʐ
      I want nothing ( except a global hotkey ) to wake my monitor.

Paul,

My 4k, 40" monitor swings on an absurdly long/high monitor arm,
over my bed.  I'm lying down now, in bed, as I write this.
The monitor is at arms length, for a kind of IMAX experience.

When I hit a certain hotkey my code turns the monitor off.
Hitting the same (global) hotkey ( assigned to a mouse button )
turns the monitor back on again.  The mouse button:

  http://Jeff-Relf.Me/MouseKeyboardLayout.PNG

At night, in a dark room, when I'm trying to sleep, movement jiggles
the mouse, briefly turning the monitor back on again (yikes!);

my code immediately turns the monitor back off; but, 15 seconds later, 
my monitor displays a bright "No Signal" message waking me up.

Ideally, nothing but the hotkey would turn the monitor back on.

As far as I know, it can't be done.
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      Carlos_E_R_│robin_listas@es_  o1gmvf-bsd.ln1@Telcontar.valinor
    wasbit│wasbitREMOVE@hotmail_  qgc7as$tda$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.13--4.47am.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10
    ╱ 1  m5 Cool; 2.3 Hours, Live_Mail➤Windows, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jul 13 {  2:13am, 2019 }:  ^(1)  XΕɜy
      I want nothing ( except a global hotkey ) to wake my monitor.

> Caffeinated - https://github.com/dmnd/Caffeinated
> Caffeine - http://www.zhornsoftware.co.uk/caffeine/index.html
> coffee https://sourceforge.net/projects/coffee-sc/files/Portable%20Verson/
> Don't Sleep - http://www.softwareok.com/?seite=Microsoft/DontSleep
> StayAwake - http://mlesniew.wordpress.com/stayawake/

I have the opposite problem. 
I want nothing ( except a global hotkey ) to wake my monitor.

The only solutions I've found, so far,
put my monitor back to sleep AFTER it wakes up,
 
which causes my monitor to display an annoyingly bright 
"no signal" message, 15 seconds later, hurting my eyes.
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      Kensi  qg8svk$1qr$1@gioia.aioe.org
    Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.3791ff8f6308e26571@news.altopia.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.12--5.08am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╳ 1  m724 Mad; 1.6 Hours, MicroPlanet, Alt.NET➤NET-Abuse.Checkmate,  Jul 12 {  3:23am, 2019 }:51^(-7)  XΔψჭ
      Who knows what's under all that snow, gold ? petroleum ?

Checkmate replied ( to Kensi ):
> > Greenland Is on Track to Lose All Its Ice.
> 
> It was too damned cold there anyway.
> This'll be great for tourism!

There's plenty of bad news in this world,
but Greenland getting warmer isn't one of them.

Who knows what's under all that snow, gold ? petroleum ?
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              Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.3790152e442f4d6a540@news.altopia.com
            Kensi  qg6esj$v71$3@gioia.aioe.org
          Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.3791858c6c208db155d@news.altopia.com
        MsNadegda  qg8or1$3j5$5@dont-email.me
      Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.379187c99f409d07563@news.altopia.com
    MsNadegda  qg8qpo$3j5$7@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.12--2.39am.Seattle.2019
  Talk.Politics.Guns, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 4  m263 Mad; 7.2 Hours, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jul 11 {  7:20pm, 2019 }:40  XΔʏʠ
      A dark-skinned country where a matriarchy rules supreme.

Would someone please ask Ms Nadegda why she hasn't moved to
a dark-skinned country where a matriarchy rules supreme ?

I'm sure she'd love it there, 
we just have to encourage her to move.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.9--8.00pm.Seattle.2019
            MrAA  f2c18783-df5b-4a05-a632-3685a3df72b8@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.11--3.37pm.Seattle.2019
        MrAA  42498e06-3fdc-4017-a71f-880342325aea@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.11--4.29pm.Seattle.2019
    MrAA  63183737-18df-4d9a-a921-15c2300e522c@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.11--6.43pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m69 Top; 20.4 Minutes, GoogleG, 205.153.48.25,  Jul 11 {  5: 1pm, 2019 }:46^(PDT)  XΔɸɪ
      Google Groups anonymized my handle !

MrAA replied ( to me ):
> > I'm no money grubber, far from it.
> 
> You've changed your handle.  I wasn't recognizing you, Jeff.  

Google Groups anonymized my handle ! that wasn't me.
It should be okay now.   Thanks for letting me know.

I'm heavy into finance, it's kind of my job.

Renting is far cheaper than owning a condo|house;
and, if you get along with the landlord+manager+housemates,
it's quite sweet.
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.11--6.22pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Test
      2 unique subject line
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.11--6.19pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Test
      A unique subject line
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.11--6.16pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Test
      Test
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.7--7.09pm.Seattle.2019
            MrAA  8b8d4d08-bd96-4652-a842-de7f5a5f1789@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.9--8.00pm.Seattle.2019
        MrAA  f2c18783-df5b-4a05-a632-3685a3df72b8@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.11--3.37pm.Seattle.2019
    MrAA  42498e06-3fdc-4017-a71f-880342325aea@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.11--4.29pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m68 Top; 12.3 Minutes, GoogleG, 205.153.48.25,  Jul 11 {  4:12pm, 2019 }:33^(PDT)  XΔɰX
      You don't know, me not at all.

MrAA replied ( to me ):
> > Will someone claim your body, and your assets, when you die ?
> > In other words, do you have family that cares about you ?
> 
> Why?  Do you think I should leave everything to you?
> You talk like an estate planner.

You don't know me, not at all.

I'm no money grubber, far from it.
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              HerbertGlazier  66d554c0-7db7-4943-8035-9a28b9319f04@googlegroups.com
            MrAA  bbc719be-6057-4cc0-8077-8a3a3bac923b@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.7--7.09pm.Seattle.2019
        MrAA  8b8d4d08-bd96-4652-a842-de7f5a5f1789@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.9--8.00pm.Seattle.2019
    MrAA  f2c18783-df5b-4a05-a632-3685a3df72b8@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.11--3.37pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m67 Top; 36.4 Minutes, GoogleG, 205.153.48.25,  Jul 11 {  2:57pm, 2019 }:52^(PDT)  XΔɣϘ
      Do you have family that cares about you ?

MrAA replied ( to me ):
> > Will someone claim your body when you die ?
> 
> It doesn't matter, because 
> when I die this universe will no longer exist!

Will someone claim your body, and your assets, when you die ?

In other words, do you have family that cares about you ?
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        Moon_Cricket_Mayhem│dashwan  qg7qa2$tvk$1@adenine.netfront.net
      Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.379111e762e5002d54f@news.altopia.com
    Byker│byker@do~rag_net  iPudnXS2Q4uNNbrAnZ2dnUU7-T3NnZ2d@supernews.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.11--3.29pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Rec.Food.Cooking, Alt.Flame.Niggers, PA.General, Alt.Law-Enforcement
    ╱ 1  m1 Shifty; 17.9 Minutes, Live_Mail➤Windows, Supernews.COM,  Jul 11 {  2:20pm, 2019 }:15^(-5)  XΔɝʇ
      It's 2007, 2008 all over again.

As you can see here, the poorest, most REMOTE cultures
are the ones doing most of the breeding:

  http://Jeff-Relf.Me/Global.Fertility.Rates.PNG

In rich CITIES ( e.g. Seoul, Tokyo, Macau, Hong Kong, and Singapore )
women average .98 births per lifetime ( projected );
the replacement rate is 2.08 births.

Like canaries in a coal mine, watch out when you see:

  Poor people, with lots of kids, doing strange things.

http://Jeff-Relf.Me/Seattle.House.Prices.PNG

Wolf Richter, Jul 1, 2019:

  In Seattle, where rents had been soaring for years, 
  the median one-bedroom apartment asking rent in June
  fell 7% from the peak a year ago, to 1'850$.

  The median asking rent for a two-bedroom apartment 
  fell 5% from a year ago to 2'400$, and is 
  down 9.4% from the peak in April 2016.

  Clearly, the phenomenal apartment+condo construction
  boom over the past few years is having an impact.
          ...
  1-BR rent, Portland, OR: 1'360$ ( -6.8% )

9 of my 31 renters haven't paid this month.
Last 8+ years, I've never seen anything like it.
It's 2007, 2008 all over again.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.10--0.43pm.Seattle.2019
            T│T@invalid_invalid  qg7qmu$lbj$1@dont-email.me
          nospam│nospam@nospam_invalid  110720191319161088%nospam@nospam.invalid
        Siri_Cruise│chine_bleu@yahoo_  chine.bleu-B0F13D.11585311072019@reader.eternal-september.org
      T│T@invalid_invalid  qg82l2$3rg$1@dont-email.me
    Siri_Cruise│chine_bleu@yahoo_  chine.bleu-9525C4.14212711072019@reader.eternal-september.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.11--3.04pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m4 Dropped; 16.5 Minutes, NewsWatcher➤Mac, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jul 11 {  2:21pm, 2019 }:38^(-7)  XΔɝσ
      The CharSet is "UTF-8".

View Source the Korean on this page:

  "BTS (방탄소년단) - MIC Drop":
  https://Youtube.COM/watch?v=RgFHvg8WSxg

Like most webpages, the CharSet is "UTF-8".

  <meta charset="UTF-8">
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              Just_Wondering│JW@jw_com  gwsVE.151916$xm4.32143@fx45.iad
            MrChrisV  db8eielsltccghhj7ot4ilatcpoov0irv4@4ax.com
          Kompressor│Kompressor@local_  vKFVE.32187$qC7.5358@fx11.iad
        MrChrisV  4faeielgq0e7mccgfv7edc5in4rl5v32ud@4ax.com
      Kompressor│Kompressor@local_  zkGVE.20273$7s1.10610@fx44.iad
    MsNadegda  qg8558$cs5$4@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.11--1.27pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Talk.Politics.Guns, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m256 Mad; 8.7 Minutes, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jul 11 {  1:11pm, 2019 }:20  XΔɑю
      Which dark-skinned country appeals to you ?

France has high unemployment, and negative interest rates.

By the way, which dark-skinned country appeals to you ?
South Africa ?  No rape problem there ?
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.7--7.09pm.Seattle.2019
            MrAA  8b8d4d08-bd96-4652-a842-de7f5a5f1789@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.9--8.00pm.Seattle.2019
        HerbertGlazier  7270813e-8902-4b41-a3d1-255532739515@googlegroups.com
      HerbertGlazier  5f12152a-76d0-4a49-a2a5-4ba7e9d025b2@googlegroups.com
    BenJacoby  qg83pe$ibs$2@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.11--0.59pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 3  m184 Top; 4.1 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Aioe.ORG,  Jul 11 {   :48pm, 2019 }:  ^(-4)  XΔɌ0
      You don't have a perpetuity gland ?

Ben replied ( to Bert ):
> > MSP is based on good science.It goes back when 
> > your pertuity glan stops working when you get to be 26.
> 
> "Pertuity glan?"

You don't have a perpetuity gland ?

You should be grateful for any amount of time+money you get;
if you're "blessed" with longevity, it's probably because
you're small, like the Japanese used to be.
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              Ralph_Fox│-rf-nz-@-_invalid  387bie9taj99mj9beu46l5kja688ggej68@4ax.com
            T│T@invalid_invalid  qg5666$ehr$2@dont-email.me
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.10--0.43pm.Seattle.2019
        T│T@invalid_invalid  qg7qmu$lbj$1@dont-email.me
      nospam│nospam@nospam_invalid  110720191319161088%nospam@nospam.invalid
    Siri_Cruise│chine_bleu@yahoo_  chine.bleu-B0F13D.11585311072019@reader.eternal-september.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.11--0.41pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╳ 1  m1 Dropped; 27.2 Minutes, NewsWatcher➤Mac, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jul 11 { 11:59am, 2019 }: 1^(-7)  XΔȻл
      UTF-8/ASCII, not UTF-16, is the standard.

Siri_Cruise:
> The HTML source can and should be ASCII only.

Yes, and all puppies should go to heaven.
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              TheSnitBot  gol662Fqsn6U1@mid.individual.net
            Mattb│trdell12345@gmail_com  octaiet8hksg6sl2r3u6vothvj9ltrnua9@4ax.com
          TheSnitBot  golkj0Ftl5tU2@mid.individual.net
        Mattb│trdell12345@gmail_com  8kbciepo6ghadkseakhmu6hlf9s44hfgj3@4ax.com
      MrChrisV  ncfcie1f956tbggun7lapi2mse8ot6stoh@4ax.com
    MsNadegda  qg5gcg$5r9$71@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.10--5.54pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Talk.Politics.Guns, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m244 Mad; 12.1 Minutes, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jul 10 {  1: 4pm, 2019 }:32  XΓαО
      It's 2007, 2008 all over again.

Ms Nadegda:
> Seattle's economic boom was brought to it by the city's 
> instituting of a $15 minimum wage.

Seattle+Amazon was booming long before that, now it's busting.
" Will the last person leaving Seattle -- Turn out the lights ",
is our infamy.

  http://Jeff-Relf.Me/Seattle.House.Prices.PNG

Wolf Richter, Jul 1, 2019:

  In Seattle, where rents had been soaring for years, 
  the median one-bedroom apartment asking rent in June
  fell 7% from the peak a year ago, to 1'850$.

  The median asking rent for a two-bedroom apartment 
  fell 5% from a year ago to 2'400$, and is 
  down 9.4% from the peak in April 2016.

  Clearly, the phenomenal apartment+condo construction
  boom over the past few years is having an impact.
          ...
  1-BR rent, Portland, OR: 1'360$ ( -6.8% )

9 of my 31 renters haven't paid this month.
I've never seen anything like it.
It's 2007, 2008 all over again.
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        T│T@invalid_invalid  qg3vgf$sag$3@dont-email.me
      Ralph_Fox│-rf-nz-@-_invalid  387bie9taj99mj9beu46l5kja688ggej68@4ax.com
    T│T@invalid_invalid  qg5666$ehr$2@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.10--0.43pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 3  m95 Cool; 1.6 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤X11, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jul 10 { 10:10am, 2019 }:30^(-7)  XΓʫМ
      UTF-8/ASCII, not UTF-16, is the standard.

UTF-8/ASCII, not UTF-16, is the standard for:

  -- FileNames ( all operating systems ).
  -- CommandLine Utilities ( e.g. "YouTube-DL.EXE" ). 
  -- The Internet ( e.g. ".HTML" files ).

Hence ( http://Jeff-Relf.Me/Win10.REG.TXT ):

  [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Command Processor]
  "autorun"="C:\\__\\_Source\\Init-CMD.BAT"

"Init-CMD.BAT":

  @chcp 65001
  @prompt $P$_$g

Also, I wrote my own console ( http://Jeff-Relf.Me/X.HTM ).
Mostly it's used for my Visual C++ routines,
but it also runs "YouTube-DL.EXE" directly, without "CMD.EXE".

From "X.CPP" in "http://Jeff-Relf.Me/X.ZIP":

  SECURITY_ATTRIBUTES Inherit = { sizeof( SECURITY_ATTRIBUTES ) };  
  Inherit.bInheritHandle = 1 ;  static  HANDLE  r, w ;
  CreatePipe( &r, &w, &Inherit, 0 );
  SetHandleInformation( r, HANDLE_FLAG_INHERIT, 0 );

  STARTUPINFO SU ={ sizeof( STARTUPINFO ) };
  SU.dwFlags = STARTF_USESTDHANDLES | STARTF_USESHOWWINDOW;
  SU.wShowWindow = SW_HIDE, SU.hStdOutput = SU.hStdError = w;
  SU.hStdInput = GetStdHandle( STD_INPUT_HANDLE );
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        micky│NONONOmisc07@bigfoot_com  fiaaietf5v8du0qd5oqcaha0r2fpvi46bs@4ax.com
      T│T@invalid_invalid  qg3g3q$2k5$1@dont-email.me
    micky│NONONOmisc07@bigfoot_com  68kaie1i4h88lpp583uac8scvok9824rfg@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.9--8.55pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10
    ╱ 1  m30 Cool; 34 Minutes, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jul  9 {  7:53pm, 2019 }:57^(-4)  XΓSჳ
      "1lO0" is: One, 'L', the letter 'o', and Zero.

"1lO0" is: One, 'L', the letter 'o', and Zero.

Convert both filenames to uppercase and display them using 
the "OCR-A" font, extra-large, like this:

  http://Jeff-Relf.Me/1lO0.PNG
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        micky│NONONOmisc07@bigfoot_com  fiaaietf5v8du0qd5oqcaha0r2fpvi46bs@4ax.com
      T│T@invalid_invalid  qg3g3q$2k5$1@dont-email.me
    micky│NONONOmisc07@bigfoot_com  68kaie1i4h88lpp583uac8scvok9824rfg@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.9--8.40pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10
    ╱ 1  m30 Cool; 34 Minutes, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jul  9 {  7:53pm, 2019 }:57^(-4)  XΓSჳ
      There are about 18 "code points" for "space".

Many characters look the same but aren't.
There are about 18 "code points" for "space"; see:

  http://jkorpela.fi/chars/spaces.html
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_point
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    HerbertGlazier  a2ace5f8-8f67-43fc-8800-162ef941f31a@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.9--8.09pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m165 Top; 8.5 Hours, GoogleG, 74.118.32.5,  Jul  9 { 10:28am, 2019 }: 7^(PDT)  XΒдϵ
      You can't drill through lava.

Bert asked:
> Why don't we drill deeper and deeper ?

Because you can't drill through lava.
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          HerbertGlazier  66d554c0-7db7-4943-8035-9a28b9319f04@googlegroups.com
        MrAA  bbc719be-6057-4cc0-8077-8a3a3bac923b@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.7--7.09pm.Seattle.2019
    MrAA  8b8d4d08-bd96-4652-a842-de7f5a5f1789@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.9--8.00pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 2  m67 Top; 2.3 Hours, GoogleG, 205.153.48.25,  Jul  9 {  4:37pm, 2019 }:10^(PDT)  XΒჲȼ
      Will someone claim your body when you die ?

Will someone claim your body when you die ?
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              Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.378d2010e0e98b0d4bf@news.altopia.com
            MsNadegda  qg0i67$5r9$21@dont-email.me
          Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.378d84077e5ab36c4d0@news.altopia.com
        MsNadegda  qg30pl$5r9$43@dont-email.me
      Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.378eb2b72189d1a5511@news.altopia.com
    MsNadegda  qg34vc$5r9$61@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.9--7.29pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Talk.Politics.Guns, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m236 Mad; 3.4 Hours, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jul  9 {  3:37pm, 2019 }:33  XΒშɝ
      South Africa loves white farmers.

South Africa loves white farmers;
you should go there ASAP, Ms Nadegda.
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              ScottDoty  goigd6F6eeaU6@mid.individual.net
            TheSnitBot  goignvF9csnU1@mid.individual.net
          ScottDoty  goigusF6eeaU7@mid.individual.net
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.9--3.24am.Seattle.2019
      Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.378e62fe4d9b58674ef@news.altopia.com
    Skeeter│lol@qmail_com  MPG.378e72707d3200b798a1d7@news.eternal-september.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.9--2.30pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Talk.Politics.Guns, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m774 Dropped; 4.5 Hours, MicroPlanet, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jul  9 {  9:45am, 2019 }: 5^(-6)  XΒЭΚ
      Adopting human "strays", instead of dogs.

Skeeter replied ( to Checkmate+me ):
> > > Be happy with what you got, 
> > > and concentrate more on what _ YOU are giving.
> > > 
> > > If AOC did that, leading by example, there'd be 
> > > less depression, less detachment, and fewer heroin deaths.
> > 
> > I wish AOC would give me some head.
> 
> I wonder how she can cause less heroin deaths ?

By adopting human "strays", instead of dogs.

> Those teeth could be an issue. 

<img Src="http://Jeff-Relf.Me/AOCs.Teeth.JPG" Alt="AOC's Teeth">
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              Char_Jackson│none@none_invalid  ec99ietbpuhl2cvnt1fmo61qsm1v54j217@4ax.com
            Stephen_Wolstenholme│steve  9qa9ied92ft7hqsgl4738kuoe5iats5t5g@4ax.com
          KenW│ken1943@invalid_net  74c9ied9r6o8ou908v90bltpun8b6ebo68@4ax.com
        Ken_Blake│Ken@invalid_news_com  hre9ie12pfstug6va3ia8kmm6ia5h39877@4ax.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.9--11.53am.Seattle.2019
    AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  qg2ua6$fic$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.9--2.13pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m5 Shifty; 26.2 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jul  9 {  1:43pm, 2019 }:49^(-6)  XΒვɭ
      I run my own email server; nothing gets filtered unless I filter it.

Someone replied ( to me ):
> > I've never run an AntiVirus daemon, never.
> > 
> > Once every year or two, I update "Windows Defender" and do a scan;
> > -- it never finds anything.
> > 
> > I'm a mega-heavy web user: Windows 10 v1903, Home Edition, Edge,
> > Firefox, Google Chrome, FTP, WinSCP.EXE, SMTP:465, IMAP:143
> > ( using my custom C++ console+client "http://Jeff-Relf.Me/X.HTM" ).
> 
> You can thank your ISP for doing the virus scanning for you.

I run my own email server; nothing gets filtered unless I filter it.
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      Moon_Cricket_Mayhem│dashwan  qg2em3$2bn4$1@adenine.netfront.net
    Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.378e7895fce9fcfa500@news.altopia.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.9--2.09pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Fan.Rush-Limbaugh, Soc.Culture.African.American, Talk.Politics.Guns, Alt.Checkmate, Alt.Free.Newsservers, Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m1 Shifty; 1 Hours, MicroPlanet, Alt.NET➤NET-Abuse.Checkmate,  Jul  9 { 11:34am, 2019 }:16^(-7)  XΒпϾ
      Disneyland didn't ( couldn't ? ) file charges.

" Men punch women in the face during Disneyland fight ":
https://Youtube.COM/watch?v=E-pYdXO1tRY

Before the video went viral, everyone was set free,
no charges; the police considered it a family matter.
Disneyland didn't ( couldn't ? ) file charges.

O.J. Simpson got away with worse.
This is why people live in gated communities.
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              Mark_Lloyd│not@mail_invalid  GZJUE.79626$KQ6.56180@fx47.iad
            Big_Al│Big_Al@invalid_com  qfvtr3$pev$1@dont-email.me
          gazelle@shell_xmission_com  qg03e4$pri$1@news.xmission.com
        😉_Good_Guy_😉│Hello_World  qg089b$egc$1@news.mixmin.net
      Cameo│cameo@unreal_invalid  qg2lpj$ug9$1@dont-email.me
    Paul│nospam@needed_invalid  qg2nr4$a2d$2@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.9--0.52pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, News.Software.Readers, Alt.Free.Newsservers
    ╱ 1  m207 Mad; 42.9 Minutes, Ratcatcher/2_0_0_25, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jul  9 { 11:53am, 2019 }:24^(-4)  XΒтგ
      HTML on USENET.

Cameo wrote:
> > First time I see in-line graphics in a Usenet post.

<img Src="http://Jeff-Relf.Me/PajamaBoy.JPG" Alt="Pajama Boy">
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              Ken_Blake│Ken@invalid_news_com  d9m1iedob6fg9b041e544g3ccjuusf36ha@4ax.com
            Buffalo│phoney@physco_invalid_  qfr9ti$dfn$1@dont-email.me
          Ken_Blake│Ken@invalid_news_com  5954iete943mbrvcq15png1ifjcsskpof4@4ax.com
        Buffalo│phoney@physco_invalid_  qft8v3$ucd$1@dont-email.me
      Ken_Blake│Ken@invalid_news_com  ssm4iepbtrat13fjjkff2p8jk1ho4796g2@4ax.com
    Buffalo│phoney@physco_invalid_  qg2do0$fnk$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.9--0.05pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10
    ╱ 1  m12 Cool; 1.5 Hours, Live_Mail➤Windows, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jul  9 {  9:  am, 2019 }:59^(-6)  XΒЦx
      Google is my calculator.

Google is my calculator.
Google:  72f in c=
         0xf in decimal=
         USD in Yen=

What could be easier than that ?
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              Pat│forums@greensdomain_com  ij29ietegdtmmcbcdu6m026gkl5u2q94nh@4ax.com
            Stephen_Wolstenholme│steve  1m59iele59edbdjbvhnusso4sfshcmcsic@4ax.com
          Char_Jackson│none@none_invalid  ec99ietbpuhl2cvnt1fmo61qsm1v54j217@4ax.com
        Stephen_Wolstenholme│steve  9qa9ied92ft7hqsgl4738kuoe5iats5t5g@4ax.com
      KenW│ken1943@invalid_net  74c9ied9r6o8ou908v90bltpun8b6ebo68@4ax.com
    Ken_Blake│Ken@invalid_news_com  hre9ie12pfstug6va3ia8kmm6ia5h39877@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.9--11.53am.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 3  m23 Cool; 1.4 Hours, F_Agent, Individual.NET,  Jul  9 {  9: 6am, 2019 }:56^(-7)  XΒЧu
      I've never run an AntiVirus daemon, never.

I've never run an AntiVirus daemon, never.

Once every year or two, I update "Windows Defender" and do a scan;
-- it never finds anything.

I'm a mega-heavy web user: Windows 10 v1903, Home Edition, Edge, 
Firefox, Google Chrome, FTP, WinSCP.EXE, SMTP:465, IMAP:143
( using my custom C++ console+client "http://Jeff-Relf.Me/X.HTM" ).
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.8--1.11pm.Seattle.2019
            Paul│nospam@needed_invalid  qg09f3$36c$1@dont-email.me
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.8--3.17pm.Seattle.2019
        Paul│nospam@needed_invalid  qg0kds$sfc$1@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.9--2.34am.Seattle.2019
    Paul│nospam@needed_invalid  qg2de8$dm8$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.9--11.31am.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 3  m208 Mad; 1.6 Hours, Ratcatcher/2_0_0_25, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jul  9 {  8:55am, 2019 }:51^(-4)  XΒХɯ
      << "TamperProtection"=dword:0 >> worked.

Thanks Paul, << "TamperProtection"=dword:0 >> worked;
"Antimalware Service Executable" no longer runs.

From "http://Jeff-Relf.Me/Win10.REG.TXT":

  ;  Take ownership of "Windows Defender" ( and children ) -Manually-,
  ;  take "Full Control", Merge+ReBoot.
  [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows Defender\Features]
  "TamperProtection"=dword:0

  ;  Must Merge+ReBoot.  Turns Windows Defender On[Off]:
  [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows Defender]
  ;  "DisableAntiSpyware"=-
  "DisableAntiSpyware"=dword:1

> There are two keys for the Windows Defender disable, on a 64-bit OS.

No, the "WOW6432Node" thing isn't necessary;
x32 settings == x64 settings; changing one changes the other.

> Note that I suspect the 32-bit OS I was testing in,
> the crash was actually related to a "trip wire".
> 
> Windows has exploit protection with a name like "fast crash",
> where rather than be exploited, the machine just resets.
> 
> And it can do that in a few instruction times.
> It doesn't piss around.  That's one of the defense strategies,
> if a trip wire is set off.

Really ?! I've never seen that.
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              Skeeter│lol@qmail_com  MPG.378db1c9f67a921698a1a2@news.eternal-september.org
            ScottDoty  goiel1F6eeaU5@mid.individual.net
          Skeeter│lol@qmail_com  MPG.378db33dbac62ba998a1a7@news.eternal-september.org
        ScottDoty  goigd6F6eeaU6@mid.individual.net
      TheSnitBot  goignvF9csnU1@mid.individual.net
    ScottDoty  goigusF6eeaU7@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.9--3.24am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Talk.Politics.Guns, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m125 Top; 6.3 Hours, Pan, Individual.NET,  Jul  8 {  8:45pm, 2019 }:32  XΒʝν
      It's a fallacy to lust after longevity, health, sex, money, etc.

It's a fallacy to lust after longevity, health, sex, money, etc.
And space-cadet AOC is definitely guilty of it.

Instead, be happy with what you got, 
and concentrate more on what _ YOU are giving.

If AOC did that, leading by example, there'd be 
less depression, less detachment, and fewer heroin deaths.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.8--0.19pm.Seattle.2019
            Paul│nospam@needed_invalid  qg06ld$i8v$1@dont-email.me
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.8--1.11pm.Seattle.2019
        Paul│nospam@needed_invalid  qg09f3$36c$1@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.8--3.17pm.Seattle.2019
    AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  qg0sc6$t4e$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.9--2.42am.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m4 Shifty; 7.1 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jul  8 {  6:58pm, 2019 }:31^(-6)  XΒʋН
      "Home Edition" weenies.

Someone replied ( to me ):
> > Remove the "Antimalware Service Executable".
> > Are you not running Windows 10, v1903, all updates ?
> 
> I'm curious if you just uninstalled Windows Defender?

That's not an option, especially for us "Home Edition" weenies.
Besides, I like Windows Defender, sometimes ( not always ).
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.8--0.19pm.Seattle.2019
            Paul│nospam@needed_invalid  qg06ld$i8v$1@dont-email.me
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.8--1.11pm.Seattle.2019
        Paul│nospam@needed_invalid  qg09f3$36c$1@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.8--3.17pm.Seattle.2019
    Paul│nospam@needed_invalid  qg0kds$sfc$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.9--2.34am.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 4  m207 Mad; 9.4 Hours, Ratcatcher/2_0_0_25, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jul  8 {  4:42pm, 2019 }:53^(-4)  XΒɵr
      Remove the "Antimalware Service Executable".

Paul,

I can't access the "Tamper Prevention" dialogue; see:
  http://Jeff-Relf.Me/No.Tamper.Prevention.PNG

> It can't possibly be that yours is Home and mine is Pro, 
> because both are "uncontrollable rubbish".

I think you can do it, and I can't, 
because I'm using the Home Edition, v1903.

> around when 1903 showed up,
> You could use Security Panel to turn off Real Time protection, 
> and [MsMpEng] would turn itself back on again.
> 
> If you try to use the slider again ( off|on ) nothing happens.
> So something did change in the last release.

Right, I think they took another shit on us Home Edition users, v1903.
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          MsNadegda  qfumt6$5r9$6@dont-email.me
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.8--1.37am.Seattle.2019
      Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.378d2010e0e98b0d4bf@news.altopia.com
    MsNadegda  qg0i67$5r9$21@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.8--4.23pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Talk.Politics.Guns, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m205 Mad; 3.3 Minutes, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jul  8 {  4: 4pm, 2019 }:39  XΒɮХ
      1/3 of South Africa women said they had been raped in the past year.

Ms Nadegda replied ( to Checky ):
> > > South Africa is confiscating white farms.
> > 
> > And killing white "settlers".  Don't forget that part.
> 
> Which right-wing rag did you read *that* in?

From WikiPedia.ORG:

  1/3 of South Africa women said they had been raped in the past year.
  Child and infant ( as young as 8 months ) rape is among the highest 
  in the world, largely as a result of the virgin cleansing myth.

https://WikiPedia.ORG/wiki/South_African_Farmer_Murders

https://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/world-economy/south-africa-begins-seizing-whiteowned-farms/news-story/8937f899bd3f131bfc4ffb648ea5c53b

Enjoy your stay, Nadegda.
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              .  qfteh6$v2u$1@dont-email.me
            .  gof1o0Fh1ddU1@mid.individual.net
          .  qfu6cs$q06$1@neodome.net
        .  qfvuh7$svc$2@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.8--11.29am.Seattle.2019
    Anonymous_Remailer(austria│  752945ce9f8ffcc4a536e9669245c994@remailer.privacy.at
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.8--4.00pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Privacy.Anon-Server
    ╱ 1  m2 Dropped; 31.3 Minutes, BadRig, Dizum.NET➤Dizum.COM,  Jul  8 {  3:24pm, 2019 }:58^(CEST)  XΒɨw
      "Antimalware Service Executable"

Someone replied ( to me ):
> > If anyone knows how to kill  "Antimalware Service Executable",
> > Windows 10, v1903, I'm all ears.
> 
> Find the exe file and delete it ?

Can't delete it, can't rename it, can't "unlock" it,
not even with a reboot.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.8--11.29am.Seattle.2019
            Paul│nospam@needed_invalid  qg03ol$vdu$1@dont-email.me
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.8--0.19pm.Seattle.2019
        Paul│nospam@needed_invalid  qg06ld$i8v$1@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.8--1.11pm.Seattle.2019
    Paul│nospam@needed_invalid  qg09f3$36c$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.8--3.17pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m203 Mad; 1.5 Hours, Ratcatcher/2_0_0_25, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jul  8 {  1:35pm, 2019 }:48^(-4)  XΒɕც
      Remove the "Antimalware Service Executable".

Paul,

I already did the "DisableAntiSpyware" thing, long ago;
still, "Antimalware Service Executable" is running; see:

  http://Jeff-Relf.Me/Antimalware.Service.Executable.PNG

I don't know what you're doing different.
Are you not running Windows 10, v1903, all updates ?
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              PeeScent  cbsn8s.aht.19.6@news.alt.net
            MrChrisV  6o27iedoprlce1onf9k9udn08eccbafged@4ax.com
          MrChrisV  ee37iehi7mub3ooebi8gu9fbo7u69urn38@4ax.com
        MrChrisV  i147ieh0r365m39esek1o2sh1po0f9vaao@4ax.com
      MrChrisV  vh57ie1sl6e6vlogn8b3hv7rjbkiu14hl0@4ax.com
    HughHuntzinger  dd7d6ef3-7c34-43e5-9924-75f1fc53d99b@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.8--1.21pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m4 Top; 4.7 Minutes, GoogleG, 143.85.5.26,  Jul  8 {   :51pm, 2019 }: 5^(PDT)  XΒɌΚ
      Cash is King.

Hugh Huntzinger:
> The only point that I'd offer is that both the market (DJIA)
> and Gold are both down today, whereas they typically move 
> counter to each other.  As such, the question is where's 
> the money going?

Cash is King.

Gold is up 3.68$ today, now 1'405.98$.
S&P 500 Index is down 14.47 today, now 2'975.94.
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              Anonymous│anon@anon_com  qfu6cs$q06$1@neodome.net
            AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  qfvuh7$svc$2@dont-email.me
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.8--11.29am.Seattle.2019
        Paul│nospam@needed_invalid  qg03ol$vdu$1@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.8--0.19pm.Seattle.2019
    Paul│nospam@needed_invalid  qg06ld$i8v$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.8--1.11pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m3 Shifty; 7.8 Minutes, Ratcatcher/2_0_0_25, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jul  8 {   :47pm, 2019 }:58^(-4)  XΒɅჴ
      Remove the "Antimalware Service Executable".

Paul replied ( to me ):
> > > > Remove the "Antimalware Service Executable".
> > 
> > I'm using The Home Edition; no GPEDIT; besides, 
> > I don't think that would actually remove the process.
> > I bet you can't do it.
> 
> DisableAntiSpyware DWORD  1

I set that variable many years ago.

> https://i.postimg.cc/VvnXcKzy/Task-Manager.gif

That's not "Antimalware Service Executable"; see:

  http://Jeff-Relf.Me/Antimalware.Service.Executable.PNG
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              AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  qfteh6$v2u$1@dont-email.me
            J_O_Aho│user@example_net  gof1o0Fh1ddU1@mid.individual.net
          Anonymous│anon@anon_com  qfu6cs$q06$1@neodome.net
        AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  qfvuh7$svc$2@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.8--11.29am.Seattle.2019
    Paul│nospam@needed_invalid  qg03ol$vdu$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.8--0.19pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m2 Shifty; 14.6 Minutes, Ratcatcher/2_0_0_25, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jul  8 { 11:58am, 2019 }:30^(-4)  XΒȻМ
      Kill  "Antimalware Service Executable".

Paul replied ( to me ):
> > If anyone knows how to kill  "Antimalware Service Executable",
> > Windows 10, v1903, I'm all ears.
> > I'm not too worried about it, I don't think it's necessary.
> 
>  use GPEDIT on Pro.

I'm using The Home Edition; no GPEDIT; besides, 
I don't think that would actually remove the process.
I bet you can't do it.
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            Anonymous│anon@anon_com  qfsn13$9a2$1@neodome.net
          AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  qfteh6$v2u$1@dont-email.me
        J_O_Aho│user@example_net  gof1o0Fh1ddU1@mid.individual.net
      Anonymous│anon@anon_com  qfu6cs$q06$1@neodome.net
    AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  qfvuh7$svc$2@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.8--11.29am.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Privacy.Anon-Server
    ╱ 3  m42 Cool; 44.2 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jul  8 { 10:29am, 2019 }:11^(-6)  XΒsх
      Debian 10 "buster" released

> Some services in windows, if you stop them from task manager,
> will restart automatically.

If anyone knows how to kill  "Antimalware Service Executable",
Windows 10, v1903, I'm all ears.

I'm not too worried about it, I don't think it's necessary.
I did kill Cortana, however, using a wooden stake.
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          MsNadegda  qfumt6$5r9$6@dont-email.me
        Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.378c8af22130a6a64ae@news.altopia.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.8--2.21am.Seattle.2019
    Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.378d182b131f54994ba@news.altopia.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.8--11.08am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Talk.Politics.Guns, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m648 Mad; 21 Minutes, MicroPlanet, Alt.NET➤NET-Abuse.Checkmate,  Jul  8 { 10: 7am, 2019 }:27^(-7)  XΒpɗ
      FDIC-insured banks were unfazed.

Checky replied ( to me ):
> > Checky sold his rental property and bought gold ? !
> 
> I haven't had rental property in quite a few years, 
> and dealing with the low life renters is 
> something I haven't missed one bit.

Preach ! !

Call me haughty, and a pompous twat ( because I just am, sadly );
but I don't like babysitting, cleaning toilets, vacuuming, etc.;
I wish I enjoyed it, because then I'd be set for life, but I don't.

> Money in the bank is money that can be taken, regardless of what 
> the ridiculously underfunded FDIC would like us all to believe.

The 2008 recession killed off Lehman Brothers and trashed
Bear Stearns and Merrill Lynch ( tricky "shadow banks" );
-- Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac still haven't recovered;
but (my*) FDIC-insured banks were unfazed.  [ * I'm an ABA guy ]

> The few Millennials who actually have any desire to buy 
> a home are trending towards Montana these days.

Renting a tiny room in shared housing is quite a bit cheaper
than owning a big-ass home ( when not babysitting renters );
and I'm next to the University of Washington, North Seattle.

Condos are way more expensive, and come with high fees.
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        😉_Good_Guy_😉│Hello_World  qfu0e4$l6r$1@news.mixmin.net
      😉_Good_Guy_😉│Hello_World  qfu0l3$l6r$2@news.mixmin.net
    Idaho_Homo_Joe│dick_lick@aol_  qfu2ro$5c8$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.8--5.48am.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10
    ╱ 1  m2 Cool; 12.1 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Aioe.ORG,  Jul  7 {  5:30pm, 2019 }:49^(-4)  XΑϳn
      MacroHard for MicroSoft.

Idaho_Homo_Joe:
> Since I've purchased a new gaming pc
> with Microsoft Windows 10, my penis
> quivers whenever I see the Microsoft logo.

I'm MacroHard for MicroSoft.
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      MsNadegda  qfumt6$5r9$6@dont-email.me
    Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.378c8af22130a6a64ae@news.altopia.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.8--2.21am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Talk.Politics.Guns, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 5  m641 Mad; 10.5 Minutes, MicroPlanet, Alt.NET➤NET-Abuse.Checkmate,  Jul  8 {   : 4am, 2019 }:53^(-7)  XΑфг
      I've never been so depressed.

Checky sold his rental property and bought gold ? !

From April 2018 to April 2019, Seattle's "year-over-year home price change"
shrunk from 13.8% growth to a 0.0% flatline.  Over the same time frame, 
San Francisco fell from 10.9% to 1.8% ( annual gains ).

Humble Tacoma has overtaken Seattle as the hottest housing market in the nation.
Most of them will have to commute 50 miles to Seattle; a 100 mile round-trip.

I'm getting few takers for my rooming house, these days;
I've never been so depressed.  And the QUALITY of my (young) renters
has gone way, way down.
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    MsNadegda  qfumt6$5r9$6@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.8--1.37am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Talk.Politics.Guns, Alt.Checkmate
    +-, 1.1 Hours, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jul  7 { 11:12pm, 2019 }:54  XΑмs
      Destroying the market, impoverishing everyone.

Ms Nadegda:
> [ buy a farm; in South Africa, perhaps ].

South Africa is confiscating white farms.
Like Venezuela, they're chasing-out their best+brightest,
destroying the market, impoverishing everyone.

> [ the beginning of a U.S. yield curve inversion ]

Socialist Europe is far worse.

In France, 10-year bonds yield -0.13%
The European Central Bank's deposit rate is now -0.40%;
inflation subtracts another 1.2%.  Gold prices are rising.

The last time the U.S. yield curve started to invert
was the start of 2005, as Bush Jr. was starting his second term.  

3+ years later, mid-2008, the recession BEGAN, and Obama was voted in.

Unemployment is near a historic low.
The S&P 500 is up 17% for the year.
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              MrAA  2ece6870-66b9-4e9c-8df0-07f0baa0f676@googlegroups.com
            JimPennino  kd2tuf-p8r.ln1@mail.specsol.com
          HerbertGlazier  ec61f231-8fe4-444f-8603-ad77b3320972@googlegroups.com
        JimPennino  bdm4vf-0ml.ln1@mail.specsol.com
      HerbertGlazier  9f251ab9-64a6-4ba7-8fc9-f2ff1f84b1f4@googlegroups.com
    HerbertGlazier  4c8e7207-5fcd-4bb8-9f21-bb0d55c0b820@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.7--7.28pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m155 Top; 2.5 Hours, GoogleG, 74.118.32.5,  Jul  7 {  2:42pm, 2019 }:48^(PDT)  XΑςm
      If life were a Monopoly game, Bert would be on "Free Parking".

Bert:
> My office is at the Senior Center; I park in back.
> No need to waste time or gas.  Vons is a block away, as is CVS,
> UPS, China take out, and Jack-in-the-Box. 

If life were a Monopoly game, Bert would be on "Free Parking".
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      HerbertGlazier  66d554c0-7db7-4943-8035-9a28b9319f04@googlegroups.com
    MrAA  bbc719be-6057-4cc0-8077-8a3a3bac923b@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.7--7.09pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 2  m68 Top; 1.9 Hours, GoogleG, 205.153.48.25,  Jul  7 {  3:19pm, 2019 }:46^(PDT)  XΑψɪ
      When you die, who's going to claim your assets ?

MrAA:
> I bought Merck and Pfizer stock !
> If you can't beat them, .....

When you die, who's going to claim your assets ?
the state ?

You're supposed to save (climb) when you're young, 
and cash-out (fall) when you're old;
you're doing the opposite.
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      HerbertGlazier  02f8e28b-9b47-4960-a367-b3f2f78cc936@googlegroups.com
    MrAA  05599fee-c883-44b8-80da-ac5e8664f930@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.7--7.00pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 3  m68 Top; 2.1 Hours, GoogleG, 205.153.48.25,  Jul  7 {  3: 8pm, 2019 }:20^(PDT)  XΑφʌ
      Time tracks entropy.

MrAA:
> the ticks of quantum time are the most uncertain !

The microwaves emitted by a super-cooled, 
laser-stimulated, cesium atom are _ extremely predictable.

To observe a quantum particle, you need (virtual) photons;
problem is, they disturb the thing that you're observing.

Time tracks entropy.

Entropy is how evenly  heat/matter  are distributed.
Our  hot/dense  sun evaporates into the  cold/sparse  vacuum,
losing 4.3 million tons each second.

Our Universe is going from infinitely  hot/dense  to infinitely  cold/sparse.
"God" (nature) programmed us to ride this wave 
( i.e. to sustainablely consume residual exergy ), same as the sun.
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.7--6.40pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics
      "How diodes, LEDs and solar panels work".

"How diodes, LEDs and solar panels work":   
http://Youtube.COM/watch?v=TGUteH93xNo

"Blue LEDs and the 2014 Nobel Prize in Physics":
http://Youtube.COM/watch?v=_DjHR4PWYOs
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            HerbertGlazier  3028399a-710b-495f-b3d9-f5d9270439d8@googlegroups.com
          MrAA  2ece6870-66b9-4e9c-8df0-07f0baa0f676@googlegroups.com
        JimPennino  kd2tuf-p8r.ln1@mail.specsol.com
      HerbertGlazier  ec61f231-8fe4-444f-8603-ad77b3320972@googlegroups.com
    MrAA  56759f6a-4c95-468e-a655-37f3ca804108@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.7--6.35pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 5  m68 Top; 2.3 Hours, GoogleG, 205.153.48.25,  Jul  7 {  2:58pm, 2019 }:49^(PDT)  XΑτЯ
      Fallers get taxed+regulated; climbers, not so much.

MrAA:
> The uber rich, like Bill Gates, are allowed to openly 
> accumulate billions without it ever being taxed !
> 
> The working stiff is taxed on dollar 1, 
> and every additional dollar at an ever increasing rate !
> Who set things up this way ?  

Creating a billion-dollar company is like climbing a mountain;
the government taxes+regulates your business, not you personally.

So long as you're living in a filthy hole-in-the-ground, 
wearing dirty rags, eating ramen, and limping around, alone,
no one cares if you're technically a billionaire.

Cashing out, and buying fully-staffed mansions+yachts+jets,
including 14-year-old masseuses, all over the world, is falling.
Fallers get taxed+regulated; climbers, not so much.

Imagine the reverse, like what you see in Iran and Venezuela;
everyone would be a faller, not a climber.
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        T│T@invalid_invalid  qfpmb3$hj2$1@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.6--7.02am.Seattle.2019
    T│T@invalid_invalid  qfrgt1$89j$2@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.6--7.05pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10
    ╱ 4  m82 Cool; 28.2 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤X11, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jul  6 {  6:12pm, 2019 }:  ^(-7)  XΑC0
      Tell the customer that he has to close Firefox.

> > close Firefox before backing up a Profile
> 
> customer leaves his computer running 24/7  :'(

Tell the customer that he has to close Firefox.
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              .  b458f6306924bada8af50ceffbd1da2b@dizum.com
            .  qfnk3l$13q$1@dont-email.me
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.5--9.15am.Seattle.2019
        Buffalo│phoney@physco_invalid_  qfo090$8s1$1@dont-email.me
      Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  qfqqht$5ov$1@gioia.aioe.org
    Buffalo│phoney@physco_invalid_  qfr9ff$bgt$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.6--6.25pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics
    ╳ 2  m4 Shifty; 1.7 Hours, Live_Mail➤Windows, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jul  6 {  4: 5pm, 2019 }:16^(-6)  Xʯწъ
      Thought precedes action.

> > Dems use identity politics, and HATE other groups,
> > their message is clear and unamerican.
> 
> You are truly indoctrinated in the far fight political psycho game.
> Sad that you forgot how to make your own decisions. :(

Your strawman doesn't hold up.

This genuinely worries me, as thought precedes action:

" Duped academic journal publishes rewrite
  of ‘Mein Kampf’ as feminist manifesto "
https://www.timesofisrael.com/duped-academic-journal-publishes-rewrite-of-mein-kampf-as-feminist-manifesto/

  the substitution of feminist or anti-patriarchal 
  terminology for Hitler’s well-known screed was 
  evidently undetectable to the peer reviewers.  
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          MitchellRaemsch  54f870f3-cbd4-4e5c-929e-040b4204e708@googlegroups.com
        HerbertGlazier  8a49fa23-f098-48cd-bad7-fff9d5bbe754@googlegroups.com
      BenJacoby  qfosa9$1lls$1@gioia.aioe.org
    HerbertGlazier  217b6da1-d50d-4d9d-be51-e7107a65018d@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.6--0.35pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 4  m145 Top; 18.2 Minutes, GoogleG, 74.118.32.5,  Jul  6 {   :11pm, 2019 }:57^(PDT)  Xʯхჳ
      I'm NOT into sex|money, not with men nor women.

Holy Men, such as Jesus+Buddha, are famous for NOT being into sex|money.

I'm NOT into sex|money, not with men nor women.

You can make accusations, Bert, but you can't prove it.
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    T│T@invalid_invalid  qfpmb3$hj2$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.6--7.02am.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10
    ╱ 1  m80 Cool; 4.9 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤X11, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jul  6 {  1:32am, 2019 }:33^(-7)  Xʯζʙ
      Close Firefox before backing up my Profile.

> AppData\Roaming\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\xxx\places.sqlite 
>     Read timed out.
> The customer leaves Firefox running 24/7
> 
> A backup using Cobian to a local FTP server that normally 
> takes 20 minutes was taking over 24 hours.

I always close Firefox before backing up my Profile;
I "RoboCopy" backup my entire profile, 
and select files are uploaded to my FTP server.
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          David_Dalton│dalton@nfld_com  0001HW.22CC791802DC673F700004C302CF@news.eternal-september.org
        EdProchak  542a6d12-279f-4fb5-9659-852e1127f38f@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.3--1.01pm.Seattle.2019
    EdProchak  7feecae2-9891-4840-845d-46816a2141ab@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.5--2.38pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 3  m36 Top; 3.7 Hours, GoogleG, 65.36.54.181,  Jul  5 { 10:43am, 2019 }:49^(PDT)  Xʯvɭ
      Sam Wormley's hysteria isn't justified; we should be happy with what we got.

Ed Prochak asked me:
> > How much time do we have left, before the end ?
> 
> Sustainability is even reaching corporate concern, 
> so even the  MBAs are paying attention.  Why aren't you ?

I don't have a car, I have no vehicle,
I don't ride the bus, no public transportation, no taxis, no planes.
I WALK to the grocery store ( with a wagon, if needed ).

I don't go to restaurants; 90% of what I spend is for
the rooming-house that I manage.

No matter what I do, no matter what you do, no matter what the U.S. does,
it won't not change Asia, nor will it extend our stay here, on this planet.
Sam Wormley's hysteria isn't justified; we should be happy with what we got.
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            Bradley_K_Sherman│bksherman  b458f6306924bada8af50ceffbd1da2b@dizum.com
          .  qfnk3l$13q$1@dont-email.me
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.5--9.15am.Seattle.2019
      Buffalo│phoney@physco_invalid_  qfo090$8s1$1@dont-email.me
    Buffalo│phoney@physco_invalid_  qfo1l0$h2i$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.5--2.10pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10
    ╱ 1  m3 Cool; 3.5 Hours, Live_Mail➤Windows, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jul  5 { 10:33am, 2019 }:13^(-6)  XʯtΣ
      This genuinely worries me.

Buffalo:
> > Democrats are sexist
> 
> Sorry for not doing my spell check and 
> for posting political bs in this Win10 NG.

This genuinely worries me, as thought precedes action:

" Duped academic journal publishes rewrite
  of ‘Mein Kampf’ as feminist manifesto "
https://www.timesofisrael.com/duped-academic-journal-publishes-rewrite-of-mein-kampf-as-feminist-manifesto/

  the substitution of feminist or anti-patriarchal 
  terminology for Hitler’s well-known screed was 
  evidently undetectable to the peer reviewers.  
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              Keith_Nuttle│Keith_Nuttle  qfjfa7$1mma$1@gioia.aioe.org
            Johnny│johnny@invalid_net  20190703190840.2e720585@jspc
          T│T@invalid_invalid  qfjk9p$5u7$1@dont-email.me
        s|b│me@privacy_invalid  go72qcFpj88U1@mid.individual.net
      Ken_Blake│Ken@invalid_news_com  bnlshe19ue9vjchgnn41tddnbv3g0vdcuk@4ax.com
    Paul│nospam@needed_invalid  qflqpk$kci$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.5--10.21am.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 3  m182 Mad; 15.3 Hours, Ratcatcher/2_0_0_25, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jul  4 {  2:24pm, 2019 }: 6^(-4)  Xʮο6
      My solution was to download+install v1903.

Paul replied:
> > > > M$'s updates are a nightmare. 
> 
> I find most of the time, using a Catalog.Update.Microsoft.COM
> version of a KBxxxxxxx update (a .MSU file), most always
> clears a logjam. 
> 
> The situation is "manageable", but hardly a reason
> for an Oscar trophy.
> 
> Now the people who leave their failed updates in a
> big pile, and you find two years worth of failures...

I like to update my Windows 10 PC every 6 months or so.
For 6 months, I couldn't update it (  v1803 ).

My solution was to download+install v1903
( C:\Windows10Upgrade\Windows10UpgraderApp.EXE );
after which, I had to rename the "Documents" folder back to "Sys",
as that's what I always call it.

Also, I had to re-take ownership of "DefaultMediaCost" -Manually-,
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\NetworkList\DefaultMediaCost]
Re-Merge-In my settings ( Jeff-Relf.Me/Win10.REG.TXT ), 
check for updates, ReBoot, and -Manually- change .JPG and .PNG file
associations using "Open With".

Also, I had to re-format all of my File-Explorer folders,
so they look the way I want.  Likely, I'm doing something(s) wrong.
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      Bradley_K_Sherman│bksherman  b458f6306924bada8af50ceffbd1da2b@dizum.com
    Mayayana│mayayana@invalid_  qfnk3l$13q$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.5--9.15am.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m46 Cool; 1.8 Hours, Outlook, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jul  5 {  6:41am, 2019 }:51^(-4)  XʯGჭ
      Democrats are sexist.

Democrats are sexist ( they hate straight males like Hitler hated Jews ), 
racist ( they denigrate whites ), jealous ( they despise the rich ),
stupid ( they think China, India and Russia can+will be "green" ) 
hypocrites ( they heap taxes+regulations on the poorest ).

"Green" Germany is heavily dependent on brown coal:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cd/Germany%27s_electricity_generation_by_major_fuel%2C_energy_sources_and_share_of_electricity_generation_by_fuel%2C_energy_source%2C_from_2000_through_2017_%2847958295396%29.png

Venezuela, Iran, Afghanistan, North Korea and Cuba are far greener
( because they chased-out their best+brightest ).
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              Joel│joelcrump@gmail_com  jqqqhe1buavaea4t6peipg459fitold2dv@4ax.com
            SteveCarroll  bfe690b2-e799-4c49-b74c-e3a276289235@googlegroups.com
          Joel│joelcrump@gmail_com  oj1rhedt0fsvvp63qlmqolifgcv7djcf2j@4ax.com
        SteveCarroll  a859ebfc-d2cc-4351-ac6f-84f43f80ef1c@googlegroups.com
      Joel│joelcrump@gmail_com  1i8shel1tqvg67q9c1emj0qhulkn8rvid0@4ax.com
    AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  qflble$nqd$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.4--10.33am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns, Rec.Arts.TV
    ╱ 3  m34 Cool; 4.6 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jul  4 { 10: 5am, 2019 }:51^(-6)  Xʮʪჭ
      Rewrite of "Mein Kampf" as feminist manifesto.

If it wasn't for "white male oppressors", 
Joel would be living a wonderful life... or so he says.

" Duped academic journal publishes rewrite
  of ‘Mein Kampf’ as feminist manifesto "
https://www.timesofisrael.com/duped-academic-journal-publishes-rewrite-of-mein-kampf-as-feminist-manifesto/

  the substitution of feminist or anti-patriarchal 
  terminology for Hitler’s well-known screed was 
  evidently undetectable to the peer reviewers.  
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      David_Dalton│dalton@nfld_com  0001HW.22CC791802DC673F700004C302CF@news.eternal-september.org
    EdProchak  542a6d12-279f-4fb5-9659-852e1127f38f@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.3--1.01pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m34 Top; 3.6 Hours, GoogleG, 65.36.54.181,  Jul  3 {  9:16am, 2019 }:48^(PDT)  XʭШЮ
      How much time do we have left, before the end ?

Ed Prochak:
> changing climate will require global changes.

How much time do we have left, before the end ?

Are you barking orders, Ed Prochak ? 
hoping China, India, Russia,
and everyone else, will jump to your commands ?

Or are you leading by example ?
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.1--6.51pm.Seattle.2019
            Joel│joelcrump@gmail_com  u4jnhet6lobjo155pn0m6lft8u702mie2f@4ax.com
          SteveCarroll  4cd89141-2c01-46c2-947e-ac85bd84ba38@googlegroups.com
        Joel│joelcrump@gmail_com  j7lnhehi13flfldo7t33ojuog28se9hcga@4ax.com
      SteveCarroll  3d125005-8b8a-4255-94b8-55ae2f645e06@googlegroups.com
    Joel│joelcrump@gmail_com  dmnnhetai6a7m28d172ubms596u9loo5iu@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.2--9.19pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 2  m195 Dropped; 4.8 Hours, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jul  2 {  3:50pm, 2019 }:21^(-4)  Xʭɬʍ
      Snit only accepts gifts, not obligations.

Native Americans should be extremely grateful for 
being on this side of the border; the rest is up to them.

You (Snit) only accept gifts, not obligations.
■
              AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  qfe1do$s3d$1@dont-email.me
            SteveCarroll  68b7714a-27be-4e02-94da-df8984e712c1@googlegroups.com
          TheSnitBot  gnvj47F6gr1U1@mid.individual.net
        SteveCarroll  f54ad1f2-f028-4cf8-be40-593e964d2ff0@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.1--6.51pm.Seattle.2019
    Joel│joelcrump@gmail_com  u4jnhet6lobjo155pn0m6lft8u702mie2f@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.2--8.59pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 4  m195 Dropped; 6.1 Hours, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jul  2 {  2:29pm, 2019 }:57^(-4)  Xʭɞჳ
      You do it, for others.

Snit replied ( to me ):
> > Thou shalt not steal, thou shalt not covet,
> > thou shalt not preoccupy yourself with absurd strawmen.
> 
> The entire country was stolen by white people, 

Handed to you on a platter, for free.
You're welcome.

> now you want to quote the fucking Bible

You have no obligations, no spoiled-brat ever does.
You have rights, end of story.

Thou shalt not steal, thou shalt not covet; yet you do.

I don't have to confine myself to the Bible; 
Buddhism finds you just as guilty.  Buddha says:
Lust ( for money, sex, and/or longevity ) is foolish.

Instead, help thieving junkies, 
the lost (strays), and the depressed.

You do it, for others.

Be happy with what you've got, no matter how little.
We're better off than our ancestors, and most of Africa+Asia;
for 99% of human existence, most never made it to age 16;
so anything past that is pure gravy.
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              SteveCarroll  f54ad1f2-f028-4cf8-be40-593e964d2ff0@googlegroups.com
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.1--6.51pm.Seattle.2019
          SteveCarroll  df05d931-37c3-4dc9-afad-8aa9c4ca3488@googlegroups.com
        MrChrisV  js0nhetrdp8m4qac3190p89kjm7at185hn@4ax.com
      TheSnitBot  go1fqeFj10oU2@mid.individual.net
    SteveCarroll  44d3962c-929f-466e-a169-1d1599e0b0fd@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.2--8.43pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 16  m161 Cool; 6.8 Hours, GoogleG,  Jul  2 {  1:46pm, 2019 }:50^(PDT)  Xʭɗа
      Snit has rights, not obligations.

Snit has rights, not obligations.

He's a spoiled brat, it's a first world problem.
■
              Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  b62lhe5mb6s4k2rj3ipn0nn3afevcshdd9@4ax.com
            TheSnitBot  gnvj7sF6gr1U3@mid.individual.net
          RatchetJaw│RatchetJaw@mail_com  XJwSE.15370$OM5.14290@fx15.iad
        Skeeter│lol@qmail_com  MPG.378451a1fa5acd66989f2e@news.eternal-september.org
      RatchetJaw│RatchetJaw@mail_com  2BxSE.746$KR4.341@fx31.iad
    SteveCarroll  b04a2948-3a76-4a60-9a19-42ad5701ecf4@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.1--7.02pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m177 Mad; 23.4 Minutes, GoogleG,  Jul  1 {  5:34pm, 2019 }: 1^(PDT)  Xʬϳϡ
      Snit says he's disabled, and I believe him.

RatchetJaw wrote:
> > Snit Michael Glasser is capable of working

"All evidence to the contrary", you should add.

He says he's disabled, and I believe him.
■
              AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  qfdkur$gki$1@dont-email.me
            SteveCarroll  c0516fba-b27a-4652-a738-de848fa71f0f@googlegroups.com
          AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  qfe1do$s3d$1@dont-email.me
        SteveCarroll  68b7714a-27be-4e02-94da-df8984e712c1@googlegroups.com
      TheSnitBot  gnvj47F6gr1U1@mid.individual.net
    SteveCarroll  f54ad1f2-f028-4cf8-be40-593e964d2ff0@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.1--6.51pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 5  m177 Mad; 58 Minutes, GoogleG,  Jul  1 {  4:59pm, 2019 }:27^(PDT)  Xʬϟვ
      Snit's strawman "worships the rich".

Snit's strawman "worships the rich", 
and he can't take his eyes off of it;
for him, there is no other reality, nothing worth noting.

Thou shalt not steal, thou shalt not covet,
thou shalt not preoccupy yourself with absurd strawmen.
■
        MrAA  4c98f241-417b-4f6a-8416-1b0ae736daaf@googlegroups.com
      Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  qfd6tg$1dql$4@gioia.aioe.org
    MrAA  fab959d0-24ec-48dd-b581-46fd7910ecb4@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.1--6.23pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 2  m62 Top; 2 Hours, GoogleG, 205.153.48.25,  Jul  1 {  3:54pm, 2019 }:45^(PDT)  Xʬϕj
      Oregon Democrats reject Al Gore's apocalypse cult.

Oregon Democrats reject Al Gore's apocalypse cult:

   OregonLive.COM/politics/2019/06/how-oregons-climate-change-bill-ran-out-of-gas.html

They aren't as dumb as they look, apparently.

Progressives-Cum-Regressives are laser-focused on Trump's wallet;
nothing could possibly make them look more retarded.  Thou shalt not covet.
Instead, they should be treating thieving junkies, depression and detachment.
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              TheSnitBot  gnhq7hF79aeU1@mid.individual.net
            AnAnonymousCreep  W9udnVYDH6JFLo7AnZ2dnUU7-WnNnZ2d@giganews.com
          Joel│joelcrump@hotmale_com  qf0cv8$1bn1$1@gioia.aioe.org
        Harry│Harry@yehoo_com  FnTQE.41219$xB4.37776@fx02.iad
      MrChrisV  rn0khe1gdtl049qir2vghhrk684lpjjqaj@4ax.com
    HerbertGlazier  249ab582-c911-4a26-928f-2046ca415cc8@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.1--2.44pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m112 Top; 1.5 Hours, GoogleG, 74.118.32.5,  Jul  1 {   :40pm, 2019 }:24^(PDT)  XʬΦЖ
      Happiness is an empty bladder.

Bert:
> I could not pee.  Wore a catheter for 3 years.

What a nightmare.
Happiness is an empty bladder.
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              Just_Wondering│JW@jw_com  h3iSE.6903$s53.6485@fx33.iad
            Kensi  qfcf0h$1ugi$1@gioia.aioe.org
          Just_Wondering│JW@jw_com  bFjSE.116336$qW.25086@fx43.iad
        Kensi  qfcjof$l8p$1@gioia.aioe.org
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.1--2.55am.Seattle.2019
    Kensi  qfcpm4$1gj4$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.1--4.33am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╳ 1  m156 Cool; 17.2 Minutes, NewsTap➤iPad, Aioe.ORG,  Jul  1 {  4: 9am, 2019 }:55^(2)  Xʬɯϛ
      You're going to die, same as everyone else.

Kensi replied ( to me ):
> > The more absurd the taxes+regulations game gets, the fewer the players;
> > Al Capone, for example, did well outside of it.
> 
> ... until he got jailed tax evasion.  *snicker*

Al Capone was physically gone, thanks to syphilis,
long before he was jailed.

You're going to die, same as everyone else.
You can tell yourself there's an afterlife, 
to make yourself feel better, but it's not true.

We're better off than our ancestors, and most of Africa+Asia;
for 99% of human existence, most never made it to age 16;
so anything past that is pure gravy.
■
              Just_Wondering│JW@jw_com  hjFRE.7$qC7.5@fx11.iad
            Kensi  qfbuks$1n5p$1@gioia.aioe.org
          Just_Wondering│JW@jw_com  h3iSE.6903$s53.6485@fx33.iad
        Kensi  qfcf0h$1ugi$1@gioia.aioe.org
      Just_Wondering│JW@jw_com  bFjSE.116336$qW.25086@fx43.iad
    Kensi  qfcjof$l8p$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.1--2.55am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 2  m154 Cool; 14.6 Minutes, NewsTap➤iPad, Aioe.ORG,  Jul  1 {  2:28am, 2019 }:46^(2)  XʬɞЬ
      The market squishes "Kensi's" like a bug.

The more absurd the taxes+regulations game gets, the fewer the players;
Al Capone, for example, did well outside of it.

In the end, the market squishes "Kensi's" like a bug.
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              Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.3780918bfd56dd64349@news.altopia.com
            MsNadegda  qf6vhh$2u3$72@dont-email.me
          Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.3780b3599eeb77a534e@news.altopia.com
        Kensi  qf74iq$r31$1@gioia.aioe.org
      Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.3780bb5c9a5c1928358@news.altopia.com
    Kensi  qfcf4r$1ugi$2@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.1--2.34am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 1  m152 Cool; 51.8 Minutes, NewsTap➤iPad, Aioe.ORG,  Jul  1 {  1:10am, 2019 }: 2^(2)  Xʬɑϰ
      Kenzi and AOC think they can better Amazon, they're wrong.

Kenzi and AOC think they can better Amazon, they're wrong.

The market decides what's best, not Kenzi.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.30--0.01am.Seattle.2019
            Rana│Frog@lycemail_org  2j3SE.4397$0F7.1026@fx25.iad
          Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  bjghhep0ph6nnprc9lj93uvn3vu372m6fa@4ax.com
        Kensi  qfbvri$1se2$1@gioia.aioe.org
      Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37832bc6caf38e813c0@news.altopia.com
    Kensi  qfc28p$4v1$2@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.30--11.01pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 3  m148 Cool; 1.2 Hours, NewsTap➤iPad, Aioe.ORG,  Jun 30 {  9:30pm, 2019 }:16^(2)  XʬjG
      Jeff Bezos drives a 4'000$ 1996 Honda Accord.

Kensi replied ( to Checkmate ):
> > > The top ONE percent get nearly 30% of income!
> > 
> > And how do you propose to take it from them?
> 
> restructuring things so that the CEO types don't give 
> themselves such ridiculously huge salaries in the first place.
> ...at gunpoint.

Jeff Bezos drives a 4'000$ 1996 Honda Accord.

2018, his salary was a 81'840$, 
not counting (essential) benefits, like security+health.

Women like Kinsey have no idea how cheap billionaires can+must be.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.30--0.01am.Seattle.2019
            Rana│Frog@lycemail_org  2j3SE.4397$0F7.1026@fx25.iad
          Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  bjghhep0ph6nnprc9lj93uvn3vu372m6fa@4ax.com
        Rana│Frog@lycemail_org  ED3SE.4075$Kf5.1835@fx42.iad
      Klaus_Schadenfreude│  95jhhe1799n5b0dfuil9ouanrr8danevl7@4ax.com
    Rana│Frog@lycemail_org  Yi4SE.5413$GS1.3120@fx48.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.30--9.44am.Seattle.2019
  Talk.Politics.Guns, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m8 Shifty; 1 Hours, slrn➤Linux, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Jun 30 {  8:11am, 2019 }:52  XʫНხ
      Thou shalt not covet.

Rana:
> I'm a Libertarian who in no way believes in wealth redistribution.

Thou shalt not steal.

> I believe the system should not be rigged in favor of the wealthy though. 
> It should be fair to all.

Thou shalt not covet.

Progressives-Cum-Regressives are laser-focused on Trump's wallet;
nothing could possibly make them look more retarded.  Thou shalt not covet.
Instead, they should be treating thieving junkies, depression and detachment.
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              Just_Wondering│JW@jw_com  NNDRE.573$XI3.6@fx39.iad
            Kensi  qf73pk$nej$3@gioia.aioe.org
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.30--0.01am.Seattle.2019
        Rana│Frog@lycemail_org  2j3SE.4397$0F7.1026@fx25.iad
      Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  bjghhep0ph6nnprc9lj93uvn3vu372m6fa@4ax.com
    Rana│Frog@lycemail_org  ED3SE.4075$Kf5.1835@fx42.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.30--9.34am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 3  m8 Shifty; 1.8 Hours, slrn➤Linux, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Jun 30 {  7:25am, 2019 }:40  XʫЖɤ
      Ms Rana is too good for Amazon ?!

Ms Rana is too good for Amazon ?!

What is she doing instead ?
lying in bed, strung out on heroin ?!

If Jeff Bezos was poorer, Ms Rana would be better off ?!

Thou shalt not covet.

We're better off than our ancestors, and most of Africa+Asia;
for 99% of human existence, most never made it to age 16;
so anything past that is pure gravy.

"Progressive" is actually "Regressive", at times.

"Make America Great Again" resonates with old-fashioned country folk.

"First-world Problems" include heroin, depression and detachment;
no family, no discipline, just "strays" wandering around, unloved.
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              Klaus_Schadenfreude│  rh59het5jp5d5icr4l46h9rdtkm4lbhhnq@4ax.com
            MsNadegda  qf4c7i$2u3$57@dont-email.me
          Klaus_Schadenfreude│  vl4chep93cebfv7jtf6bq81ijj0fi9n0r6@4ax.com
        MsNadegda  qf6glq$2u3$65@dont-email.me
      Just_Wondering│JW@jw_com  NNDRE.573$XI3.6@fx39.iad
    Kensi  qf73pk$nej$3@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.30--0.01am.Seattle.2019
  Talk.Politics.Guns, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m136 Cool; 23.5 Hours, NewsTap➤iPad, Aioe.ORG,  Jun 29 {   :25am, 2019 }:32^(2)  Xʪшɜ
      Amazon is subject to taxes+regulations.

Kensi asked:
> how much did Amazon pay in corporate taxes last year, hmm ?

Amazon is subject to taxes+regulations, you retard.

New York would love to have Amazon; AOC chased them away.
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              Klaus_Schadenfreude│  rh59het5jp5d5icr4l46h9rdtkm4lbhhnq@4ax.com
            MsNadegda  qf4c7i$2u3$57@dont-email.me
          Just_Wondering│JW@jw_com  ZzkRE.26201$UC4.922@fx03.iad
        MsNadegda  qf6ggh$2u3$64@dont-email.me
      Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.3780905587ae47fe348@news.altopia.com
    MsNadegda  qf6vfc$2u3$71@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.29--11.41pm.Seattle.2019
  Talk.Politics.Guns, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m223 Mad; 23.6 Hours, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jun 28 { 11:11pm, 2019 }:57  Xʪлჳ
      What are your boyfriends like, Ms Nadegda ?!

Ms Nadegda:
> if we win, I get contraception coverage, and if we don't, 
> I quit, I pack my things, and it's off to New Zealand I go.

What are your boyfriends like, Ms Nadegda ?!
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              Klaus_Schadenfreude│  vl4chep93cebfv7jtf6bq81ijj0fi9n0r6@4ax.com
            MsNadegda  qf6glq$2u3$65@dont-email.me
          Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.3780918bfd56dd64349@news.altopia.com
        MsNadegda  qf6vhh$2u3$72@dont-email.me
      Just_Wondering│JW@jw_com  YSDRE.13$vU3.1@fx37.iad
    Kensi  qf73nj$nej$2@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.29--11.18pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 4  m136 Cool; 22.4 Hours, NewsTap➤iPad, Aioe.ORG,  Jun 29 {   :24am, 2019 }:27^(2)  XʪшR
      No family, No discipline, just "strays" wandering around, unloved.

Sometimes, "progressive" is actually "regressive".

"Make America Great Again" resonates with old-fashioned country folk.

"First-world Problems" include heroin, depression and detachment;
no family, no discipline, just "strays" wandering around, unloved.
■
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.29--3.24am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
      The urethral meatus+shaft is _in_ the vaginal canal.

Contrary to what YouTube's Dr. Lindsey Doe says+draws,
the urethral meatus+shaft is _in_ the vaginal canal,
hanging down into the opening, from the rim.

See the following PHOTOS ( Not Safe For Work ):

  http://Jeff-Relf.Me/Pee.Hole.In.The.Vagina.1.JPG
  http://Jeff-Relf.Me/Pee.Hole.In.The.Vagina.2.JPG
  http://Jeff-Relf.Me/Cervix.In.The.Vagina.JPG
  http://Jeff-Relf.Me/Global.Fertility.Rates.PNG

.   Laying on your back, the pee hole+shaft forms the roof of the vagina;
    it gets turgid, and hangs down, as the photos show.

    You say it's located "in the vestibule of the vulva",
    but how would anyone know if they weren't a gynecologist ?
    photographic proof is well censored ( for obvious reasons ).

    Congratulations on the RV+trip, thanks for sharing.
    My motto: "Happiness is an empty bladder".
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      SamWormley  ded6d6a9-9bb4-44a0-a0ab-b82384cb4b5a@googlegroups.com
    Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  qf3n5h$1vup$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.27--7.54pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m163 Mad; 2 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win7, Aioe.ORG,  Jun 27 {  5:31pm, 2019 }:36^(-5)  Xʪ5ɠ
      We've got better things to do.

Sam Wormley:
> > 33% of Americans said that climate change was a "very serious problem".
> > 38% believed they'll be harmed by it.
> > [ Why won't they join my apocalypse cult ? ]

Because we've got better things to do, quite obviously.
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        SamWormley  0eefbece-a7a0-4292-b2c0-e1142af88a69@googlegroups.com
      SamWormley  715a7df1-90ae-4917-80e9-dcbe63051cb5@googlegroups.com
    HerbertGlazier  f61edc15-1fe2-46f9-b981-3210572ffd15@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.27--7.41pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m98 Top; 5.9 Minutes, GoogleG, 74.118.32.5,  Jun 27 {  7:26pm, 2019 }:27^(PDT)  XʪOʓ
      Super-Green Germany prefers brown-dirty coal over nukes and natural gas.

Every year, gasoline has to be "cleaner" costing you more, Bert.
You blame "the GOP Mafia", because you don't know who's doing it.

Ironically, 
super-green Germany prefers brown-dirty coal over nukes and natural gas.
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      SamWormley  e14a34fe-4f12-4de5-8671-cf43a73ff9ce@googlegroups.com
    HerbertGlazier  0477455c-8c57-4f2c-b1ed-51afbc983e22@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.27--5.39pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 6  m95 Top; 6.7 Hours, GoogleG, 74.118.32.5,  Jun 27 { 10:33am, 2019 }:58^(PDT)  XʩеϞ
      Democrats have better locations but higher taxes+regulations.

Bert:
> To hurt China shop at Target...

Why hurt China ?

Target is just as "Made in China" as Walmart.

Target has better locations but higher prices.

> and vote Democrat

Democrats are just as "Made in China" as Republicans.

Democrats have better locations but higher taxes+regulations.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.26--8.48pm.Seattle.2019
            AnAnonymousCreep  NOmdnZt2O_WCoInAnZ2dnUU7-UnNnZ2d@giganews.com
          PeeScent  cau45f.qrb.17.7@news.alt.net
        Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.377e02a324d7d7872c5@news.altopia.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.27--3.21am.Seattle.2019
    Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.377e52c3bfe0ce3c2c9@news.altopia.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.27--6.38am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns, Rec.Arts.TV
    ╱ 2  m609 Dropped; 1.2 Hours, MicroPlanet, Alt.NET➤NET-Abuse.Checkmate,  Jun 27 {  5:13am, 2019 }:27^(-7)  Xʩϰɗ
      Many gays and lesbians are applauded for solid reasons.

Soph is a genuine "AnCap" ( Anarcho-Capitalist ) but too innocent.
I'm no fan of girly-boys, but I don't think they're evil;
many gays and lesbians are applauded for solid reasons.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.26--0.28pm.Seattle.2019
            MichaelMoroney  qf0ieq$r42$1@pcls7.std.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.26--1.08pm.Seattle.2019
        MichaelMoroney  qf0ofj$mmv$1@pcls7.std.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.26--9.50pm.Seattle.2019
    MichaelMoroney  qf1kir$7ds$1@pcls7.std.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.27--4.20am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns, Rec.Arts.TV
    ╱ 1  m102 Dropped; 5.2 Hours, nn, TheWorld.COM,  Jun 26 { 10:35pm, 2019 }:23  Xʩʯბ
      Today's black holes are nothing like they used to be.

Michael Moroney told me:
> OK, so you don't have an answer.

I've thought long+hard about what questions to ask,
what the answers might be; so I'm not surprised that
they're nothing like what you've come up with.

> You are probably robotically repeating a mantra,
> written without thought,

I appear random and inconsequential to you, so what ?!
I don't have to be you, and you don't have to be me.

> " Randomness is ignorance "

Too often, we discover that yesterday's " apparent randomness "
was actually just "ignorance".

> " Nature programmed us to consume, same as the sun "

What about it ? are you saying it's not true ?
Who made me think this way, Hillary ?

> " gravity is dying off "

That's the consensus of cosmologists;
recent evidence suggests that a "Big Rip" is coming.

Today's black holes are nothing like they used to be.

12.5 billion years ago, quasar J2157-3602 had
the luminosity of 695 trillion suns ( 2.66×10^41 Watts ).

695 trillion suns.

Lambda, the cosmological "constant", is growing.

In physics, entropy is how evenly  heat/matter  are distributed.
Our  hot/dense  sun evaporates into the  cold/sparse  vacuum,
losing 4.3 million tons each second.

Our Universe is going from infinitely  hot/dense  to infinitely  cold/sparse.
"God" (nature) programmed us to ride this wave 
( i.e. to sustainablely consume residual exergy ), same as the sun.
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            MsNadegda  qf0v5c$2u3$53@dont-email.me
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.26--8.48pm.Seattle.2019
        AnAnonymousCreep  NOmdnZt2O_WCoInAnZ2dnUU7-UnNnZ2d@giganews.com
      PeeScent  cau45f.qrb.17.7@news.alt.net
    Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.377e02a324d7d7872c5@news.altopia.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.27--3.21am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns, Rec.Arts.TV
    ╱ 1  m601 Dropped; 3.3 Hours, MicroPlanet, Alt.NET➤NET-Abuse.Checkmate,  Jun 26 { 11:31pm, 2019 }:41^(-7)  XʩΚɥ
      " Be Not Afraid " -- GenZ Zoomer, Soph.

Checkmate replied ( to me ):
> > >   https://Twitter.COM/SewerNugget
> 
> " Be Not Afraid " -- GenZ Zoomer, Soph
> http://Youtube.COM/watch?v=vEaV8NsGG_I
>   https://www.bitchute.com/video/AsRIWjp2MDk/
> 
> Some fast-talking rant machine who calls herself Soph.

YouTube's "Soph", a.k.a. "LtCorbis", is Twitter's @SewerNugget.

> she's definitely not a libtard.

Yes, and it makes me hopeful Re: GenZ Zoomers.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.26--7.52am.Seattle.2019
            MichaelMoroney  qf01ll$116$1@pcls7.std.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.26--0.28pm.Seattle.2019
        MichaelMoroney  qf0ieq$r42$1@pcls7.std.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.26--1.08pm.Seattle.2019
    MichaelMoroney  qf0ofj$mmv$1@pcls7.std.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.26--9.50pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m103 Dropped; 3.6 Hours, nn, TheWorld.COM,  Jun 26 {  2:35pm, 2019 }:47  Xʩɟჩ
      Most can't fathom 2 dimensions, much less 4.

Michael Moroney asked me:
> > The TimeScape is static because time is a spatial dimension.
> 
> Static with respect to which dimension/axis?

I'm talking metaphysics, not physics.

Most can't fathom 2 dimensions, much less 4;
like it or not, time is a spatial dimension.

And it doesn't matter to me that you don't like it,
I'm not going to cram my "truths" down your throat.
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        Kensi  qf1dkq$1nco$1@gioia.aioe.org
      AnAnonymousCreep  H-SdndGJW9kDoYnAnZ2dnUU7-aPNnZ2d@giganews.com
    Kensi  qf1fvj$1nco$7@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.26--9.28pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╳ 1  m129 Cool; 4.8 Minutes, NewsTap➤iPad, Aioe.ORG,  Jun 26 {  9:16pm, 2019 }:46^(2)  XʩʢЬ
      God forbid Finland should get warmer/greener.

Kensi:
> the worst climate change effects are showing up at the high latitudes, 
> including Finland.  Disappearing glaciers, disappearing sea ice, melting
> permafrost, infrastructure sinking into the ground like it was quicksand.

God forbid Finland should get warmer/greener... what a tragedy that would be.
■
          MsNadegda  qf11a0$2u3$54@dont-email.me
        ScottDoty  gnig7tFas14U4@mid.individual.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.26--8.23pm.Seattle.2019
    Kensi  qf1egd$1nco$2@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.26--9.19pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns, Rec.Arts.TV
    ╱ 2  m125 Cool; 2.7 Minutes, NewsTap➤iPad, Aioe.ORG,  Jun 26 {  8:51pm, 2019 }:35^(2)  Xʩʞπ
      Women actually want periodic hyperinflation, to hide their shame.

Kensi replied ( to me ):
> > Kensi, Ms Nadegda, and other Million-Women-March types,
> > actually want periodic hyperinflation, to hide their shame.
> > They'd "disappear" millions of "strays" (kids), like Venezuela.
> 
> Please satisfy my curiosity: what drug were you on when you wrote that?

I'm sober enough to read what you wrote yesterday:

     Every 40 years we hold a jubilee: all debts wiped out, 
     and the richest are again emptied of funds to level things.
     Equality of opportunity will then reign.
          qeurd2$acg$1@gioia.aioe.org

You're promoting Nazi-style hyperinflation, Nazi.
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    MsNadegda  qf0v5c$2u3$53@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.26--8.49pm.Seattle.2019
  Talk.Politics.Guns, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 3  m229 Mad; 2.4 Hours, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jun 26 {  4:29pm, 2019 }:48  Xʩɲც
      Times have never been better, yet women can't be happy.

Ms Nadegda:
> Fucking boomers... it's all your fault.

Times have never been better, yet women can't be happy.

"Zoomers" (GenZ) aren't half as silly as Nadegda; 
to wit, this fourteen-year-old girl:

  https://Twitter.COM/SewerNugget
■
      MsNadegda  qf11a0$2u3$54@dont-email.me
    ScottDoty  gnig7tFas14U4@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.26--8.23pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns, Rec.Arts.TV
    ╱ 1  m158 Top; 1.6 Hours, Pan, Individual.NET,  Jun 26 {  5:17pm, 2019 }: 1  Xʩɺл
      Women actually want periodic hyperinflation, to hide their shame.

Scott Doty replied ( to Ms Nadegda ):
> > If you don't pay ... they will come to take 
> > what you owe them anyway, by force.
> > 
> > We are coming for you. In the dead of night, with torches and pitchforks.
> > None can yet know the exact hour, but it is soon.
> > Pleasant dreams, plutocrats. Pleasant dreams.   <snicker>
> 
> So what about those people who worked their fingers to the bone 
> -- suffering through scarcity and health issues from overwork 
> -- so that they have the ability to retire, finally ?
> Are you "coming for us" (tinu), too ?

Kensi, Ms Nadegda, and other Million-Women-March types,
actually want periodic hyperinflation, to hide their shame.
They'd "disappear" millions of "strays" (kids), like Venezuela.

Humans weren't designed to live past age 33 (prehistory);
most never made it to age 16; so anything past that is pure gravy.
We're vastly richer than our ancestors, and most of Africa+Asia;

still, Democrats feel weak+powerless because they lust after money+power.

For thousands of years, all around the world, holy men have told us
that such desires lead to "suffering", "meaninglessness", and "evil".
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              Kensi  qeus2k$acg$3@gioia.aioe.org
            Chris_M_Thomasson│invalid_  qev50m$1h87$1@gioia.aioe.org
          Chris_M_Thomasson│invalid_  qev52o$1h87$2@gioia.aioe.org
        ScottDoty  gnhlenF672rU1@mid.individual.net
      Skeeter│lol@qmail_com  MPG.377d4f0b1bf284bd989dcd@news.eternal-september.org
    ScottDoty  gniegcFas14U2@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.26--8.04pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns, Rec.Arts.TV
    ╱ 2  m158 Top; 2.1 Hours, Pan, Individual.NET,  Jun 26 {  4:47pm, 2019 }:24  Xʩɵგ
      ( Bill Maher-suppressed ) San Francisco will take the #1 spot.

Scott Doty:
> Property values are now higher in San Francisco than in Manhattan.

Quoting "BusinessInsider.COM", May 21, 2019:

  Deutsche Bank released its annual " Mapping the World's Prices" report,
  highlighting the average monthly rent for a typical two-bedroom apartment.

  Hong Kong is the world's most expensive [ #1: 3,685$/month ],
  while San Francisco is [ #2: 3,631$/month; Seattle: 2,510$/month ].

    https://www.businessinsider.com/most-expensive-cities-worldwide-to-rent-an-apartment-2019-5

Once Hong Kong has been fully-suppressed by mainland China,
( Bill Maher-suppressed ) San Francisco will take the #1 spot.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.26--7.52am.Seattle.2019
            MichaelMoroney  qf01ll$116$1@pcls7.std.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.26--0.28pm.Seattle.2019
        MichaelMoroney  qf0ieq$r42$1@pcls7.std.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.26--1.08pm.Seattle.2019
    ScottDoty  gnieu7Fas14U3@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.26--6.40pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m7 Top; 1.3 Hours, Pan, Individual.NET,  Jun 26 {  4:54pm, 2019 }:47  Xʩɷl
      The TimeScape is static because time is a spatial dimension.

> > We perceive a coin flip to be semi-random when, in fact, it's not.
> 
> Superdeterminism can't be falsified, 
> so by the standards of modern epistemology, it ain't science.

Yes, Einstein, called it "the cosmic religious sense";
in "New York Times Magazine", Nov 1930, he wrote:

  This is hard to make clear to those who do not 
  experience it, since it does not involve an 
  anthropomorphic idea of God; 

  the individual feels the vanity of human desires and aims, 
  and the nobility and marvelous order which are revealed 
  in nature and in the world of thought. 

  He feels the individual destiny as an imprisonment 
  and seeks to experience the totality of existence 
  as a unity full of significance.

  Indications of this cosmic religious sense can be found 
  even on earlier levels of development
  -- in the Psalms of David and in the Prophets, for example.

  The cosmic element is much stronger in Buddhism,
  as Schopenhauer's magnificent essays have shown us.

  The religious geniuses of all times have been distinguished
  by this cosmic religious sense, which recognizes neither 
  dogmas nor a God made in man's image. 

  Consequently there cannot be a church whose chief doctrines
  are based on the cosmic religious experience. 

  [ men inspired by this religious experience appear ] 
  to their contemporaries as atheists [or] saints. 
  Viewed from this angle, men like Democritus, 
  Francis of Assisi, and Spinoza are near to one another.  
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.26--7.52am.Seattle.2019
            MichaelMoroney  qf01ll$116$1@pcls7.std.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.26--0.28pm.Seattle.2019
        MichaelMoroney  qf0ieq$r42$1@pcls7.std.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.26--1.08pm.Seattle.2019
    BenJacoby  qf0p7a$13a2$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.26--6.21pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 13  m179 Top; 3.4 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Aioe.ORG,  Jun 26 {  2:48pm, 2019 }:27^(-4)  XʩɢR
      Quantum effects dominate BenJacoby's brain.

Ben Jacoby replied ( to me ):
> > We perceive a coin flip to be semi-random when, in fact, it's not.
> 
> Actually it is Rolf, because at the Quantum level 
> nothing is deterministic.

Quantum effects are negligible in a coin toss.
Quantum effects are negligible in weather forecasts.
Quantum effects dominate Ben Jacoby's brain.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.26--7.31am.Seattle.2019
            MichaelMoroney  qf00cv$l4m$1@pcls7.std.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.26--7.52am.Seattle.2019
        MichaelMoroney  qf01ll$116$1@pcls7.std.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.26--0.28pm.Seattle.2019
    MichaelMoroney  qf0ieq$r42$1@pcls7.std.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.26--1.08pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m100 Dropped; 5.7 Minutes, nn, TheWorld.COM,  Jun 26 {   :52pm, 2019 }:58  XʩɌи
      The TimeScape is static because time is a spatial dimension.

Michael Moroney asked me:
> > The TimeScape is static because time is a spatial dimension.
> 
> Static relative to WHAT ?

Compared to how us humans must perceive it.

We perceive a coin flip to be semi-random when, in fact, it's not.
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          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.26--0.56am.Seattle.2019
        Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  gngpq6Fd1dU2@mid.individual.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.26--7.31am.Seattle.2019
    Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  qf0cq0$1afq$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.26--0.41pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics
    +-, 1.4 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win7, Aioe.ORG,  Jun 26 { 11:16am, 2019 }:41^(-5)  XʩȴЧ
      ZOD can lick my grey pubes.

Sergio:
> Kneel Before ZOD !!

ZOD can lick my grey pubes.
■
              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.26--0.56am.Seattle.2019
            Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  gngpq6Fd1dU2@mid.individual.net
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.26--7.31am.Seattle.2019
        MichaelMoroney  qf00cv$l4m$1@pcls7.std.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.26--7.52am.Seattle.2019
    MichaelMoroney  qf01ll$116$1@pcls7.std.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.26--0.28pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m100 Dropped; 4.2 Hours, nn, TheWorld.COM,  Jun 26 {  8: 6am, 2019 }:29  XʩVT
      The TimeScape is static because time is a spatial dimension.

The TimeScape is static because time is a spatial dimension.

Nature programmed us to sustainably consume, same as the sun.
■
              MsNadegda  qetsf2$2u3$48@dont-email.me
            Skeeter│lol@qmail_com  MPG.377c2ccb5d999c36989d8e@news.eternal-september.org
          PeeScent  caqkgn.toq.19.2@news.alt.net
        Skeeter│lol@qmail_com  MPG.377c2def40bece79989d93@news.eternal-september.org
      Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.377c3f46104943cf298@news.altopia.com
    Kensi  qeurd2$acg$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.26--0.10pm.Seattle.2019
  Talk.Politics.Guns, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 3  m123 Cool; 14.5 Hours, NewsTap➤iPad, Aioe.ORG,  Jun 25 {  9:13pm, 2019 }:17^(2)  XʨШɅ
      Kensi could help "disappear" millions of "strays" (kids).

Kensi:
> Every 40 years we hold a jubilee: all debts wiped out, 
> and the richest are again emptied of funds to level things.
> Equality of opportunity will then reign.

That's exactly what Venezuela and Brazil do, occasionally;
Kensi could help "disappear" millions of "strays" (kids).

They're doing the same thing that Nazi Germany did:
openly attacking their best and brightest;
-- and the result is the same:  hyperinflation.
■
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.26--0.56am.Seattle.2019
        Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  gngpq6Fd1dU2@mid.individual.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.26--7.31am.Seattle.2019
    MichaelMoroney  qf00cv$l4m$1@pcls7.std.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.26--7.52am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m98 Dropped; 1.3 Minutes, nn, TheWorld.COM,  Jun 26 {  7:44am, 2019 }:47  XʩRʧ
      Spinoza ( 1664, Netherlands ) and Einstein got it right.

Most people accept the fact that you can't change the past;
fewer understand that you can't change the future either.

Spinoza ( 1664, Netherlands ) and Einstein got it right.
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          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.26--0.56am.Seattle.2019
        Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  gngpq6Fd1dU2@mid.individual.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.26--7.31am.Seattle.2019
    Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  qf07he555c27r81i9m9bvfs917hh1ogbqi@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.26--7.43am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns, Rec.Arts.TV
    ╱ 1  m243 Dropped; 2.6 Minutes, F_Agent, Alt.NET,  Jun 26 {  7:35am, 2019 }:10^(-4)  XʩPф
      "The Thing" that programmed us.

Greg replied ( to me ):
> > Most people think of evolution ( i.e. nature, not a person )
> > as "The Thing" that programmed us; in reality, 
> > the future is just as fixed the past, and everything is nothing.
> 
> mankind has the coded ability, via DNA,
> to eventually BE and DO as God did.
> 
> We humans will continue to evolve and become more 
> and more god like until we eventually figure out 
> how to create a universe of our own.

While such thinking may benefit you, it doesn't benefit me.

Certainly, I shouldn't push "science" down your throat;
no one benefits from that.
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      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.26--0.56am.Seattle.2019
    Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  gngpq6Fd1dU2@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.26--7.31am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns, Rec.Arts.TV
    ╱ 1  m2 Top; 4.6 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win7, Individual.NET,  Jun 26 {  1:48am, 2019 }: 6^(10)  Xʨზ6
      "The Thing" that programmed us.

Sylvia replied ( to me ):
> > Humans weren't designed to live past age 33 (prehistory);
> > most never made it to age 16; so anything past that is pure gravy.
> 
> Humans weren't designed.

Most people think of evolution ( i.e. nature, not a person )
as "The Thing" that programmed us; in reality, 
the future is just as fixed the past, and everything is nothing.

Do you agree ?
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.26--0.56am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns, Rec.Arts.TV
      Humans weren't designed to live past age 33 (prehistory).

Venezuela is doing the same thing that Nazi Germany did:
openly attacking its best and brightest;
-- and the result is the same:  hyperinflation.
What goes around, comes around -- it's karma.

Humans weren't designed to live past age 33 (prehistory);
most never made it to age 16; so anything past that is pure gravy.

We're vastly richer than our ancestors, and most of Africa+Asia;
still, Democrats feel weak+powerless because they lust after money+power.

For thousands of years, all around the world, holy men have told us
that such desires lead to "suffering", "meaninglessness", and "evil".

  Taming "strays" is expensive; and no one wants them;
  recently, globalization has exacerbated the problem.
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              Pandora│pandora@peak_org  cankcl.fh1.17.1@news.alt.net
            Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  od52he5op5jn14rim8omj5mau0g57stddl@4ax.com
          Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.377ac4c94f85faa7269@news.altopia.com
        MsNadegda  qer98u$2u3$29@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.24--6.35pm.Seattle.2019
    Kensi  qes6vu$dfk$7@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.24--11.10pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 9  m121 Cool; 12.3 Minutes, NewsTap➤iPad, Aioe.ORG,  Jun 24 {  9:12pm, 2019 }:43^(2)  Xʨgh
      At birth, Neolithic humans could expect to live 20 to 33 years.

Kensi replied ( to me ):
> > Human males weren't designed to live past age 19;
> > so anything past that is pure gravy.
> 
> WTF are you smoking?

" Chimpanzee life expectancy at birth is about 13 years; 
  whereas those reaching adulthood ( age 15 )
  have about 15 years of further life expectancy.  "
    -- PNAS.ORG/content/107/suppl_1/1718

At birth, Neolithic humans could expect to live 20 to 33 years;
like Chimps, those reaching adulthood ( age 15 )
have about 15 years of further life expectancy ( to 28–33 years ).
  -- Wikipedia.ORG/wiki/Life_expectancy#Variation_over_time
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              Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  d1uvge5agssha673obica06nq8qi21rr4b@4ax.com
            Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  qeov9q$9l7$1@gioia.aioe.org
          Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  ta00he1d85lu6q5or4al88hf1v9c1edfvd@4ax.com
        Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.3779c498cb288133254@news.altopia.com
      Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  t3p1he1mcfep9m094mnmp9533ec0lr345t@4ax.com
    Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  qerulk$1dd3$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.24--7.15pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 6  m34 Cool; 10.7 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win7, Aioe.ORG,  Jun 24 {  6:50pm, 2019 }:51^(-5)  XʨIʫ
      When was the last time someone defeated China or Russia ?

Vietnam and North Korean are proxies for China and Russia.
When was the last time someone defeated China or Russia ?

I'd say that Hong Kong is losing its right to free speech,
but America also censors anyone who'd challenge Bill Maher.
■
            HerbertGlazier  26e2bbeb-2529-4e72-849c-b7fe0c472c56@googlegroups.com
          SamWormley  618ff08e-ba20-4270-a9c2-579623d912e4@googlegroups.com
        MitchellRaemsch  1144ab95-bc9d-4b10-83e1-77146f77cf64@googlegroups.com
      SamWormley  c839b108-aae2-457e-87cc-bf8625cd236a@googlegroups.com
    MrAA  23dde729-195d-4b9f-bbf1-5f88a7b06770@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.24--6.59pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 2  m53 Top; 2.9 Hours, GoogleG, 205.153.48.25,  Jun 24 {  4: 2pm, 2019 }:36^(PDT)  Xʧწʜ
      Black holes aren't what they used to be.

Mr AA:
> Singularities have not been observed.

Singularities aren't observable.

Black Holes aren't what they used to be, billions of years ago.
■
              Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.377a0a983ba0140b25d@news.altopia.com
            Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  7do1he1mk3hq9lrj2qkc7n8v5nkpoqhlri@4ax.com
          Pandora│pandora@peak_org  cankcl.fh1.17.1@news.alt.net
        Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  od52he5op5jn14rim8omj5mau0g57stddl@4ax.com
      Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.377ac4c94f85faa7269@news.altopia.com
    MsNadegda  qer98u$2u3$29@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.24--6.35pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns, Rec.Arts.TV
    ╱ 6  m210 Mad; 2.7 Hours, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jun 24 {   :45pm, 2019 }:34  Xʧыο
      The S&P 500 has risen 335% since March 9, 2009.

Ms Nadegda replied ( to Checkmate ):
> > the 1930's weren't happy times for most people.
> 
> The 2010s are shaping up to be nearly as shabby for most people.

The S&P 500 has risen 335% since March 9, 2009;
-- oh the horror !!   ( 2,945.35 * 100 / 676.53 - 100 ) 

While Democrats are laser-focused on Trump's wallet,
hoping to get some of it, they've completely ignored the homeless.

We're vastly richer than our ancestors, and most of Africa+Asia;
still, Democrats feel weak+powerless because they lust after money+power.

For thousands of years, all around the world, holy men have told us
that such desires lead to "suffering", "meaninglessness", and "evil".

Note the "strays" in the world's poorest regions;
hordes of children with no parents, no homes, no rules, no chance. 
America is heading there.

Taming "strays" is expensive; and no one wants them;
so the trend won't reverse.  Globalization doesn't help.

Human weren't designed to live past age 33 (prehistory);
most never made it to age 16; so anything past that is pure gravy.
■
          HerbertGlazier  8aef01a9-e83c-4347-b690-84186c5f6765@googlegroups.com
        MrAA  77ed5adc-bf43-40ec-b82e-d8cc6505f21f@googlegroups.com
      HerbertGlazier  fd1eedd6-3418-471a-90c0-9a37ca95d58d@googlegroups.com
    MrAA  a27b860d-9348-4b70-9173-a6ff62c3673a@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.24--3.46pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m51 Top; 53.6 Minutes, GoogleG, 205.153.48.25,  Jun 24 {  2:36pm, 2019 }: 5^(PDT)  Xʧპ5
      Gravity is dying, entropy is killing it.

Mr AA:
> The age of 13.8 billion years is carved in basaltic rock
> in the TriMet MAX train tunnel through Portland's West Hills!

That's the age of THE KNOWN UNIVERSE;
i.e. how far we can see, the horizon.

Gravity is dying, entropy is killing it.
Eventually, the night sky will be void, totally black.
■
        Keith_Stein│keithstein111  ipuOE.32396$2U7.3060@fx02.am4
      rockbrentwood@gmail_com  a6c68cd5-50c5-4b81-9d40-1f5a6502ada8@googlegroups.com
    Helmut_Wabnig│hwabnig@_-_---_-_  klq0he9827nqsah3d34oof1mn672dnk31f@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.24--0.48pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m12 Cool; 12.5 Hours, F_Agent, Individual.NET,  Jun 23 { 11:19pm, 2019 }:38^(2)  XʧΘɢ
      The red pill ( harsh reality ).

The Copenhagen Interpretation, which includes many variants,
it is still the most widely accepted Interpretation.

Unfortunately, "shut up and calculate" is far less lucrative than
science fiction, where tiny little particles, flexing their muscles,
like Mighty Mouse, rapidly spit-out copies of our universe.

The red pill ( harsh reality ):

  "God" ( nature, 4 dimensional SpaceTime ) is static, immutable, 
  changeless and timeless, both everything and nothing.
  Randomness is ignorance ( nothing more, nothing less ).

  "God" ( nature, thermodynamics, evolution ) programmed us;
  " Sustained Consumption " is the goal, not truthiness per se;
  we're (robotic) consumers, like the sun.
■
      SamWormley  4d31e2a9-18cd-4068-ae5a-bdfc801b2336@googlegroups.com
    rockbrentwood@gmail_com  49ae9b8c-e6e2-423f-bc28-3f5c792119d7@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.24--0.31pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns, Rec.Arts.TV
    ╱ 3  m12 Cool; 14.4 Hours, GoogleG,  Jun 23 {  9:22pm, 2019 }:12^(PDT)  XʧʣϺ
      Surprisingly, Twitter is quite tolerant.

USENET has plain-text locked-down pretty good.
To avoid censorship, POST via "BlockNews.NET" or "Usenet-News.NET";
For speed, READ using "Individual.NET" or "Open-News-Network.ORG".

For videos, YouTube, Twitter and qBitTorrent work best.

YouTube bans satire when it thinks it might insight violence.
For example, YouTube banned this video:
  BitChute.COM/video/OdaUDeAGIck/

"BitChute.COM" requires JavaScript from 5+ servers;
to download a video, click the magnet icon, so it opens in qBitTorrent.

Surprisingly, Twitter is quite tolerant; see:
  Twitter.COM/sewernugget
■
            SamWormley  afff8e98-f99a-452f-85f2-2557ed5fc7b9@googlegroups.com
          JimPennino  k4mgtf-5l6.ln1@mail.specsol.com
        EdProchak  a826cfed-4c58-4cfb-b4f5-3212c8969e98@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.21--1.45pm.Seattle.2019
    EdProchak  e0c4f071-1213-4c17-a50a-d486c5bb336a@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.24--11.40am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns, Rec.Arts.TV
    +Top, 1.6 Hours, GoogleG, 65.36.54.181,  Jun 24 {  9:51am, 2019 }:53^(PDT)  XʧЮϙ
      Sam Wormley's apocalypse cult is very large and well armed.

Ed Prochak replied ( to me ):
> > Not everyone wants to join Sam's apocalypse cult,
> > nor would we allow him to rape & rob us at gunpoint.
> 
> Another one with only ad hominin attacks.
> This is sci.physics not sci.emotional_response.
> Come back when you have something useful to say.

Sam Wormley's apocalypse cult is very large and well armed,
and more emotional than me... excuse me for not just rolling over.

You're an old man, I assume; 
I'm surprised you're so gullible.
■
          Alan_Folmsbee│omnilobe@gmail_  2cf8e651-20c5-40ff-966d-15360a1be05e@googlegroups.com
        EdProchak  fa983f7c-099b-48a9-9bb5-d873a53bbd71@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.21--2.10pm.Seattle.2019
    EdProchak  574b1572-5fb1-470b-ae3c-f097f5ad7b98@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.24--11.32am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m47 Top; 1.2 Hours, GoogleG, 65.36.54.181,  Jun 24 { 10: 4am, 2019 }: 7^(PDT)  Xʧаϵ
      Evolution is not a person.

Ed Prochak replied ( to me ):
> > Our Universe is going from infinitely  hot/dense  to infinitely  cold/sparse.
> > "God" (nature) programmed us to ride this wave 
> > ( i.e. to sustainablely consume residual exergy ), same as the sun.
> 
> Ah, so you accept the universe as an emulation hypothesis?

Nature is absolutely everything, from the tiniest to the largest,
seen or unseen; not human, evolution is not a person.

> > Lambda, the cosmological "constant", is growing.
> 
> evidence?

The (growing) Hubble "Constant", especially recent quasar discoveries.
■
    HerbertGlazier  9334b382-4b17-4438-981e-7582dad4b1fa@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.24--6.49am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 6  m63 Top; 11.7 Hours, GoogleG, 74.118.32.5,  Jun 23 {  6:48pm, 2019 }:57^(PDT)  Xʧʊv
      Gravity is dying off, Lambda-CDM.

> We know gravity wins in the end.

No, gravity is dying off ( Lambda is growing ).

"Cold Dark Matter" (CDM) is super cold+sparse.

Lambda-CDM.
■
        HerbertGlazier  26e2bbeb-2529-4e72-849c-b7fe0c472c56@googlegroups.com
      MichaelMoroney  qep8mi$j35$3@pcls7.std.com
    HerbertGlazier  4a8dbaac-27a8-4319-8aac-603b67e9002a@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.24--6.42am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 7  m63 Top; 11.9 Hours, GoogleG, 74.118.32.5,  Jun 23 {  6:34pm, 2019 }:37^(PDT)  XʧʇУ
      Today's black holes are nothing like they used to be.

Today's black holes are nothing like they used to be.

12.5 billion years ago, quasar J2157-3602 had
the luminosity of 695 trillion suns ( 2.66×10^41 Watts ).

695 trillion suns.

Lambda, the cosmological "constant", is growing.

In physics, entropy is how evenly  heat/matter  are distributed.
Our  hot/dense  sun evaporates into the  cold/sparse  vacuum,
losing 4.3 million tons each second.

Our Universe is going from infinitely  hot/dense  to infinitely  cold/sparse.
"God" (nature) programmed us to ride this wave 
( i.e. to sustainablely consume residual exergy ), same as the sun.
■
              HerbertGlazier  357219b0-00fb-4e6c-810b-d01ef5acd1dc@googlegroups.com
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.22--3.34am.Seattle.2019
          HerbertGlazier  8b4915da-131d-43fc-bed3-dceb7cddf306@googlegroups.com
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.22--2.43pm.Seattle.2019
      BenJacoby  qemki0$2hc$4@gioia.aioe.org
    HerbertGlazier  462d594c-d415-4b2c-8869-3b7ad3025958@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.23--2.36pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns, Rec.Arts.TV
    ╱ 3  m49 Top; 2.8 Minutes, GoogleG, 74.118.32.5,  Jun 23 {  2:20pm, 2019 }: 2^(PDT)  Xʧɝɺ
      How did Obama abate the tent cities here and abroad ?

Bert:
> I voted for Obama.  My thoughs on Mafia goes with GOPers.

How did Obama abate the tent cities here and abroad ?

Did he give them jobs+pride ?

Every Democrat I know is laser-focused on Trump's wallet,
hoping to get some of it.

We're vastly richer than our ancestors, and most of Africa+Asia;
still, Democrats feel weak+powerless because they lust after money+power.

For thousands of years, all around the world, holy men have told us
that such desires lead to "suffering", "meaninglessness", and "evil".
■
              Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37785d30d1eb0634216@news.altopia.com
            MsNadegda  qemeuh$hu9$15@dont-email.me
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.22--6.23pm.Seattle.2019
        MsNadegda  qeokbf$2u3$4@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.23--1.27pm.Seattle.2019
    Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  19qvgehe3gumb7uoflljirfsmucca7dotr@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.23--2.22pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate, Alt.Usenet.Kooks
    ╱ 1  m228 Dropped; 8.8 Minutes, F_Agent, Alt.NET,  Jun 23 {  2: 5pm, 2019 }: 5^(-4)  Xʧɚп
      Grand Theft Auto creates rapists ?

Grand Theft Auto ( and porn ) create rapists ?

I doubt it, it takes more than just that.
■
              KWills_Shill_#3│compuelf@gmail_  aisrge994lm8e5tgjrp5hgij8uj91hfnqn@4ax.com
            MsNadegda  qem7ba$hu9$7@dont-email.me
          Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37785d30d1eb0634216@news.altopia.com
        MsNadegda  qemeuh$hu9$15@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.22--6.23pm.Seattle.2019
    MsNadegda  qeokbf$2u3$4@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.23--1.27pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate, Alt.Usenet.Kooks
    ╱ 9  m198 Mad; 44 Minutes, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jun 23 {   :36pm, 2019 }:15  XʧɄF
      Ms Nadegda has nothing to boast about.

Ms Nadegda replied ( to me ):
> > > it's been a slow day here at the c++ factory.
> > 
> > What are you producing ?
> 
> That's proprietary.

Wow, you're none too proud of it, I see.
■
            SamWormley  4d31e2a9-18cd-4068-ae5a-bdfc801b2336@googlegroups.com
          MrAA  6ecc63a0-c267-4c3c-9230-8a9906d4ffa5@googlegroups.com
        HerbertGlazier  66f47007-1775-4738-b729-3592b8d0eaa7@googlegroups.com
      SamWormley  b536d595-0f11-493e-9c59-8ff4c6bd6e75@googlegroups.com
    Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  qen1cp$1n73$3@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.23--0.03am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics
    ╳ 4  m119 Mad; 1.8 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win7, Aioe.ORG,  Jun 22 { 10: 6pm, 2019 }:16^(-5)  XʦбG
      Uncle Al was an idiot, a river of shit.

Uncle Al was an idiot, a river of shit.

Plenty of people simply don't want much science in their "science fiction";
this makes them "normal", not "idiots" -- you can't force-feed science.
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              Just_Wondering│JW@jw_com  ZLjPE.104557$Ti5.13543@fx40.iad
            Phil│noemailthatworks@mail_org  1w4wi9q56rdqe.qkdzmb6mjyqy$.dlg@40tude.net
          TheSnitBot  gn6u6aFonmiU1@mid.individual.net
        Phil│noemailthatworks@mail_org  1awjt3ggp50fm.1hrritilj4yhw$.dlg@40tude.net
      TheSnitBot  gn7o4rFu5ttU1@mid.individual.net
    Phil│noemailthatworks@mail_org  1py0j37e7cp7p$.gvuqijt90bh0.dlg@40tude.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.22--6.53pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns, Rec.Arts.TV
    ╱ 1  m8 Shifty; 1.7 Hours, 40tude, Individual.NET,  Jun 22 {  4: 4pm, 2019 }:37^(-4)  XʦϖУ
      Snit is all about jealousy, deep-green envy, Trump.

Snit is all about jealousy, deep-green envy, Trump;
he doesn't/can't focus on the poor.

He's vastly richer than his ancestors, and most of Africa+Asia;
still, he feels weak+powerless because he lusts after money+power.

For thousands of years, all around the world, holy men have told us
that such desires lead to "suffering", "meaninglessness", and "evil".
■
              KWills_Shill_#3│compuelf@gmail_  pd8pgehuaqevcme51odtflqigs45tdel3a@4ax.com
            MsNadegda  qejgs9$b1u$86@dont-email.me
          KWills_Shill_#3│compuelf@gmail_  aisrge994lm8e5tgjrp5hgij8uj91hfnqn@4ax.com
        MsNadegda  qem7ba$hu9$7@dont-email.me
      Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37785d30d1eb0634216@news.altopia.com
    .  qemeuh$hu9$15@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.22--6.23pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate, Alt.Usenet.Kooks
    ╱ 5  m191 Mad; 56.8 Minutes, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jun 22 {  4:51pm, 2019 }:45  XʦϞϐ
      What is Ms Nadegda producing ?

Ms Nadegda:
> it's been a slow day here at the c++ factory.

What are you producing ?

http://Jeff-Relf.Me/C++CodingRules.HTM
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              Just_Wondering│JW@jw_com  a1hPE.1462$xk5.1194@fx37.iad
            TheSnitBot  gn5o2oFgp81U1@mid.individual.net
          Just_Wondering│JW@jw_com  ZLjPE.104557$Ti5.13543@fx40.iad
        Phil│noemailthatworks@mail_org  1w4wi9q56rdqe.qkdzmb6mjyqy$.dlg@40tude.net
      TheSnitBot  gn6u6aFonmiU1@mid.individual.net
    Phil│noemailthatworks@mail_org  1awjt3ggp50fm.1hrritilj4yhw$.dlg@40tude.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.22--4.55pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns, Rec.Arts.TV
    ╱ 3  m6 Shifty; 16.9 Minutes, 40tude⁻iso-8859-13, Individual.NET,  Jun 22 {  2:21pm, 2019 }:15^(-4)  XʦξΥ
      Taming "strays" is expensive; and no one wants them.

Phil notes:
> According to the 1938 Encyclopaedia of the Social Sciences, 
> that year 11% of black children were born to unwed mothers. 
> Today about 75% of black children are born to unwed mothers.

Note the "strays" in in the world's poorest regions;
hordes of children with no parents, no homes, no rules, no chance. 
America is heading there.

Taming "strays" is expensive; and no one wants them;
so the trend won't reverse.  Globalization doesn't help.

Human males weren't designed to live past age 19;
anything past that is pure gravy, so rejoice !
■
    MsNadegda  qem4si$hu9$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.22--3.38pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns, Rec.Arts.TV
    ╱ 4  m178 Mad; 38.1 Minutes, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jun 22 {  2:  pm, 2019 }: 2  Xʦλ2
      Ignore Trump, for a second, and note the "strays" in Africa.

Ms Nadegda:
> Life as a woman in Trump's America

Ignore Trump, for a second, and note the "strays" in Africa;
hordes of children with no parents, no homes, no rules, no chance; 
because that's where America is headed.
■
          SamWormley  e14a34fe-4f12-4de5-8671-cf43a73ff9ce@googlegroups.com
        HerbertGlazier  357219b0-00fb-4e6c-810b-d01ef5acd1dc@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.22--3.34am.Seattle.2019
    HerbertGlazier  8b4915da-131d-43fc-bed3-dceb7cddf306@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.22--2.43pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 8  m27 Top; 3.4 Minutes, GoogleG, 74.118.32.5,  Jun 22 {  2:27pm, 2019 }:54^(PDT)  XʦοϚ
      According to Bert, Obama was a GOP Mafia man, through and through.

Bert replied ( to me ):
> > Do you believe Democrats (Obama) reduced homelessness ?
> > 
> > Taming "strays" is expensive; and no one wants them.
> 
> When people have no jobs they end up on the street.
> Bush gave tax credits if our factories went to China.
> End of story.

Listening to you, I get the feeling that Democrats don't exist.
According to you, Obama was a GOP Mafia man, through and through.
■
      SamWormley  e14a34fe-4f12-4de5-8671-cf43a73ff9ce@googlegroups.com
    HerbertGlazier  357219b0-00fb-4e6c-810b-d01ef5acd1dc@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.22--3.34am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 3  m19 Top; 11.7 Hours, GoogleG, 74.118.32.5,  Jun 21 {  3:18pm, 2019 }:41^(PDT)  Xʥქf
      Do you believe Democrats (Obama) reduced homelessness ?

Herbert Glazier:
> More people here living on the street.

Do you believe Democrats (Obama) reduced homelessness ?

Taming "strays" is expensive; and no one wants them.
■
              MsNadegda  qejg13$b1u$85@dont-email.me
            Just_Wondering│JW@jw_com  42cPE.2$p04.0@fx21.iad
          MsNadegda  qejjhq$b1u$91@dont-email.me
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.21--3.57pm.Seattle.2019
      TheSnitBot  gn56b0Fdav8U1@mid.individual.net
    Skeeter│lol@qmail_com  MPG.377734577089970a989bdb@news.eternal-september.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.21--7.53pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns, Rec.Arts.TV
    ╱ 2  m228 Dropped; 53.2 Minutes, MicroPlanet, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jun 21 {  6:37pm, 2019 }:49^(-6)  XʦGɭ
      Kensi, Ms Nadegda, AOC, the Million Women March, Pol Pot, Hugo Chavez...

Skeeter replied ( to Snit ):
> > > And your (final) solution is to rape+rob the 19%
> > > who are doing well, especially if they're male ?!
> > 
> > Where did you come up with that idea?
> 
> AOC and most libs.

Kensi, Ms Nadegda, AOC, the Million Women March, Pol Pot, Hugo Chavez, 
Kim Jong Un, Stalin, Lenin, Mao, Fidel Castro, Che Guevera, Juan Perón... 
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              MrChrisV  16pnge96o1js4uopnbntq8kb6e6rhg4pk1@4ax.com
            AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  qegs2s$p0l$1@dont-email.me
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.21--2.58am.Seattle.2019
        MsNadegda  qejg13$b1u$85@dont-email.me
      Just_Wondering│JW@jw_com  42cPE.2$p04.0@fx21.iad
    MsNadegda  qejjhq$b1u$91@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.21--3.57pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns, Rec.Arts.TV
    ╱ 2  m169 Mad; 57.2 Minutes, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jun 21 {  2:51pm, 2019 }:54  XʥრϚ
      Ms Nadegda's final solution.

Ms Nadegda:
> Fewer than 20% of Americans can be said to be actually *prospering*.

And your (final) solution is to rape+rob the 19%
who are doing well, especially if they're male ?!
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      Alan_Folmsbee│omnilobe@gmail_  2cf8e651-20c5-40ff-966d-15360a1be05e@googlegroups.com
    EdProchak  fa983f7c-099b-48a9-9bb5-d873a53bbd71@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.21--2.10pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 5  m46 Top; 5.6 Days, GoogleG, 98.21.217.188,  Jun 15 { 11:25pm, 2019 }:33^(PDT)  Xʢȶɝ
      695 trillion suns.

Ed Prochak:
> Dark Matter seems to be an effect on a Galactic scale,
> Holding galaxies and clusters together.
> 
> Dark energy seems to be an effect on a cosmic scale,
> driving the universe apart.
> 
> So definitely not equal in magnitude.

The Milky Way was our "Known Universe", 100 years ago.

Our inability to properly/precisely measure dark energy 
doesn't shed much light on reality.

In physics, entropy is how evenly  heat/matter  are distributed.
Our  hot/dense  sun evaporates into the  cold/sparse  vacuum,
losing 4.3 million tons each second.

Our Universe is going from infinitely  hot/dense  to infinitely  cold/sparse.
"God" (nature) programmed us to ride this wave 
( i.e. to sustainablely consume residual exergy ), same as the sun.

12.5 billion years ago, quasar J2157-3602 had
the luminosity of 695 trillion suns ( 2.66×10^41 Watts ).

695 trillion suns.

Lambda, the cosmological "constant", is growing.

Compared to the concordance model ( Lambda-CDM ), the Big Rip
now seems more likely, given recent evidence from "the quasar era"
that shows that the (growing) Hubble "Constant" was then LESS (72.5)
than one at the ( cosmologically older ) "Type Ia supernova era" (73.24),
and MORE than the one at the CMBR (67.66), near the start of the Big Bang.

" Is Dark Energy Getting Stronger ? ", by PBS Space Time, Mar 20, 2019:
  Youtube.COM/watch?v=tAtVgHvt05M
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        SamWormley  afff8e98-f99a-452f-85f2-2557ed5fc7b9@googlegroups.com
      JimPennino  k4mgtf-5l6.ln1@mail.specsol.com
    EdProchak  a826cfed-4c58-4cfb-b4f5-3212c8969e98@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.21--1.45pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 8  m46 Top; 5.6 Days, GoogleG, 98.21.217.188,  Jun 15 { 11: 6pm, 2019 }:23^(PDT)  XʢzN
      Not everyone would join Sam Wormley's apocalypse cult.

Ed Prochak replied ( to Jim Pennino ):
> > Oh no, we are all doomed!!
> > Silly bed wetter ass hat.
> 
> Again, no argument, just name calling.
> I expect better from you Jim.

Not everyone wants to join Sam's apocalypse cult,
nor would we allow him to rape & rob us at gunpoint.
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              .  glmo9rFalllU1@mid.individual.net
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.4--6.05am.Seattle.2019
          mimus99│mimus99@gmail_com  j6svpcqrf7kz$.1du6ndeli82vf$.dlg@40tude.net
        Thomas_PointedEars_Lahn│  11316486.O9o76ZdvQC@PointedEars.de
      mimus99│mimus99@gmail_com  17h9wcdfbzach.1he71pmb1zffy$.dlg@40tude.net
    Thomas_PointedEars_Lahn│  4155863.LvFx2qVVIh@PointedEars.de
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.21--1.27pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics.Relativity, Alt.Astronomy, Rec.Arts.SF.Written
    ╱ 2  m15 Dropped; 14.6 Minutes, KNode, Albasani.NET,  Jun 21 {  1: 6pm, 2019 }:11^(2)  XʥяB
      There's a Grand Canyon separating reality from Tom's imagination.

Thomas "I can't find my Dick" Lahn wrote:
> F’up2 poster again; I will killfile you if you ignore it again.
> You have been warned.

There's a Grand Canyon separating reality from Tom's imagination.
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              .  qcvfpg$11jb$1@gioia.aioe.org
            .  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.2--6.01am.Seattle.2019
          .  qd24kn$j0r$1@gioia.aioe.org
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.3--1.56am.Seattle.2019
      mimus99│mimus99@gmail_com  agyuxecjblhw.1nqezu4s0pnwp.dlg@40tude.net
    Siri_Cruise│chine_bleu@yahoo_  chine.bleu-76113A.12125821062019@reader.eternal-september.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.21--0.20pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Rec.Arts.SF.Written, Rec.Arts.TV, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m108 Dropped; 2.5 Minutes, NewsWatcher➤Mac, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jun 21 {   :12pm, 2019 }:59^(-7)  Xʥцx
      The script doesn't contain logic; the sex and violence appear randomly.

TV shows are contractually obligated to have X amount of sex and violence.

The script doesn't contain logic; the sex and violence appear randomly.
■
              The_Starmaker│starmaker@ix_  5CF627EB.3637@ix.netcom.com
            Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  glmo9rFalllU1@mid.individual.net
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.4--6.05am.Seattle.2019
        mimus99│mimus99@gmail_com  j6svpcqrf7kz$.1du6ndeli82vf$.dlg@40tude.net
      Thomas_PointedEars_Lahn│  11316486.O9o76ZdvQC@PointedEars.de
    mimus99│mimus99@gmail_com  17h9wcdfbzach.1he71pmb1zffy$.dlg@40tude.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.21--0.13pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics.Relativity, Alt.Astronomy, Rec.Arts.SF.Written
    ╱ 1  m3 Shifty; 6.3 Minutes, 40tude, Alt.NET,  Jun 21 {   :  pm, 2019 }: 2^(-4)  Xʥф2
      Thomas "clueless" Lahn is beyond autistic.

Thomas "clueless" Lahn is beyond autistic; he's a poorly-programmed robot,
created by some random, half-blind freshman/lady, high on ecstasy.
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              .  5CF55899.EEE@ix.netcom.com
            .  gllmp2F3vjqU1@mid.individual.net
          .  5CF627EB.3637@ix.netcom.com
        .  glmo9rFalllU1@mid.individual.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.4--6.05am.Seattle.2019
    mimus99│mimus99@gmail_com  j6svpcqrf7kz$.1du6ndeli82vf$.dlg@40tude.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.21--11.58am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics.Relativity, Alt.Astronomy, Rec.Arts.SF.Written
    ╱ 1  m2 Shifty; 49.2 Minutes, 40tude, Alt.NET,  Jun 21 { 11:  am, 2019 }:28^(-4)  XʥкS
      From infinitely  hot/dense  to infinitely  cold/sparse.

A science-hater wrote:
> In the beginning, there was nothing, which exploded.

In physics, entropy is how evenly  heat/matter  are distributed.
Our  hot/dense  sun evaporates into the  cold/sparse  vacuum,
losing 4.3 million tons each second.

Our Universe is going from infinitely  hot/dense  to infinitely  cold/sparse.
"God" (nature) programmed us to ride this wave 
( i.e. to sustainablely consume residual exergy ), same as the sun.
■
              TheSnitBot  gmr077F6787U1@mid.individual.net
            Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  4bthgelv6ep3k89a9m1bbph5jgk7pqoiok@4ax.com
          Ratchet_Jaw│Ratchetjaw@mail_  VP6OE.135422$3T5.572@fx45.iad
        MrChrisV  4svhgel00bfhfprn45uutecrdccuejblno@4ax.com
      Ratchet_Jaw│Ratchetjaw@mail_  Ur7OE.31647$Nt2.15467@fx29.iad
    MsNadegda  qebtfn$b1u$45@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.21--4.47am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns, Rec.Arts.TV
    +-, 2.5 Days, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jun 18 {  4:52pm, 2019 }:23  XʣჴЕ
      "Capitalism" is men going their own way, without women raping their wallets.

Ms Nadegda asked:
> What is "capitalism"?

"Capitalism" is men going their own way, without women raping their wallets.
■
            MsNadegda  qe3ku0$b1u$12@dont-email.me
          Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.376f06b6732dc94936@news.altopia.com
        MsNadegda  qe6312$b1u$17@dont-email.me
      Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37703e2220c2af9b7a@news.altopia.com
    MsNadegda  qe9545$b1u$28@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.21--4.37am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Talk.Politics.Guns, Rec.Arts.TV
    +-, 3.5 Days, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jun 17 {  3:44pm, 2019 }:21  Xʣɫʍ
      The anti-Trump, Million-Women Marchers' plan is to rape "the rich" (males).

Ms Nadegda replied ( to Checkmate ):
> > We have thousands of homeless people camping
> > and shitting on our sidewalks as it is.
> 
> Build public housing. Lots and lots and lots of it.
> jack the top marginal tax rate up.  the sooner it all burns the better.
> Kensi and I can rebuild civilization, and get it *right* this time.

The anti-Trump, Million-Women Marchers' plan is to rape "the rich" (males);
likewise, China forcing itself on Hong Kong is tantamount to rape.

Right or wrong, people think bums are vicious strays,
thieving junkies, screaming at imaginary opponents;
they have no family, no anchor; it's a first-world problem.

Taming these "stray dogs" is expensive; and no one wants them.

In poorer countries, your family is your retirement plan 
( and your children work abroad );
in richer countries, "family" is a retirement disaster, as
men lose their children, their savings, and future income to divorce.

So Taiwan allows gay marriage, and South Korean women average 0.98 births
( the Fertility Rate ); replacement level is:  2.08 .
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              Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  741ngedbp32tv2l1mhqs9a76rnd4io0avn@4ax.com
            MrChrisV  k32ngel3c4hmbf4jbjviud0dr8ghhedgkv@4ax.com
          Beedle│beedle@dont-email_me  0001HW.22BBE1AC0002A4647000011EE2EF@news.giganews.com
        AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  qegmpe$qku$1@dont-email.me
      MrChrisV  16pnge96o1js4uopnbntq8kb6e6rhg4pk1@4ax.com
    AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  qegs2s$p0l$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.21--2.58am.Seattle.2019
  Talk.Politics.Guns, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m66 Cool; 12.7 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jun 20 {  1:59pm, 2019 }: 9^(-6)  Xʥəу
      Why should the poor own Congress ?

MrChrisV:
> > The wealthy elite businessman owns Congress.

Why should the poor own Congress ?
so they can rape the rich ?
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.21--1.30am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Rec.Arts.SF.Written, Rec.Arts.TV
      China forcing itself on Hong Kong is tantamount to rape.

America's lack of "family values" is a first-world problem;
mainland China doesn't have to worry about it.

Hong Kong and Taiwan don't want China for 
the same reason the United States doesn't want Mexico; 
-- different problems, different laws.
China forcing itself on Hong Kong is tantamount to rape.
■
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.21--1.12am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Rec.Arts.SF.Written, Rec.Arts.TV
      Hong Kong and Taiwan don't want China.

Hong Kong and Taiwan don't want China for 
the same reason the United States doesn't want Mexico; 
-- different problems, different laws.
■
              Ratchet_Jaw│Ratchetjaw@mail_  2IeOE.204318$%r7.63963@fx40.iad
            MrChrisV  cqmkged7ir21tinjp8cmmv9cl1ngcmrqjd@4ax.com
          TheSnitBot  gmva9sF4hf0U1@mid.individual.net
        ScottDoty  gmvn3pF70t5U2@mid.individual.net
      TheSnitBot  gmvpa8F7nj7U1@mid.individual.net
    ScottDoty  gn02iiF9fhpU1@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.20--3.14pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 5  m147 Top; 20.6 Hours, Pan, Individual.NET,  Jun 19 {  5:33pm, 2019 }:23  Xʤϳδ
      Snit is that homeless guy, screaming at imaginary opponents.

Snit is that homeless guy, screaming at imaginary opponents,
forcing you to cross the street.
■
              TheSnitBot  gmt6g3Fl2umU1@mid.individual.net
            ScottDoty  gmtf96Flt8hU1@mid.individual.net
          TheSnitBot  gmtjhrFnibpU2@mid.individual.net
        ScottDoty  gmtk8gFlt8hU5@mid.individual.net
      TheSnitBot  gmtlavFnuteU1@mid.individual.net
    ScottDoty  gmtn3rFlt8hU7@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.20--3.02pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 11  m147 Top; 1.8 Days, Pan, Individual.NET,  Jun 18 {  8: 5pm, 2019 }:31  XʤUკ
      Snit is paranoid schizophrenic.

Snit is paranoid schizophrenic.
■
              TheSnitBot  gmqgcdF32sbU3@mid.individual.net
            MsNadegda  qe94li$b1u$26@dont-email.me
          Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.3771e77123da9258d3@news.altopia.com
        MsNadegda  qebthu$b1u$46@dont-email.me
      Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  9nuige9u45c9c174jbddan2gtpk1qnk2ef@4ax.com
    ScottDoty  gmtg92Flt8hU3@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.20--2.54pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 13  m147 Top; 1.8 Days, Pan, Individual.NET,  Jun 18 {  6: 8pm, 2019 }:50  XʤBʪ
      Rich China, Poor China.

I don't know about "Paul" but Kensi and Ms Nadegda are definitely female.

The Million Women March, protesting Trump's rollbacks of Women's rights
( to Make America Great Again ) is a "rich girl" problem;
it's very much on Kensi&Nadegda's minds.

There are two Chinas, a rich one and a poor one.
The rich one ( Hong Kong, Taiwan, Japan and South Korea )
doesn't have "family values"; for example, Taiwan allows gay marriage,
and South Korean women average 0.98 births ( the Fertility Rate );
replacement level is:  2.08 .

In Poor China, your family is your retirement plan 
( and your children work abroad );
in Rich China, "family" is a retirement disaster, as
men lose their children, their savings, and future income to divorce.
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        Kensi  qdvk42$f5o$1@gioia.aioe.org
      Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.376d69686449bbc199770b@news.altopia.com
    ScottDoty  gmi895F872sU4@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.20--5.16am.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 35  m147 Top; 5.7 Days, Pan, Individual.NET,  Jun 14 { 11:44am, 2019 }:53  Xʡȹʭ
      Bernie Sanders uses guns to ensure that you're extra generous.

UnLike Jesus, 
Bernie Sanders uses guns to ensure that you're extra generous.
■
      Keith_Stein│keithstein111  ipuOE.32396$2U7.3060@fx02.am4
    Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  gmvsuuF8fh6U1@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.20--4.48am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics.Relativity, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 2  m41 Top; 12.7 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win7, Individual.NET,  Jun 19 {  3:57pm, 2019 }:34^(10)  Xʤϕο
      Our inability to know the whole story is real.

Sylvia replied ( to Keith ):
> > Are the probability waves of QUANTUM PHYSICS real ?
> 
> You need to define what you mean by real 
> before that question can be answered.

Our inability to know the whole story is real.

To see quantum particles, you need photons;
problem is, photons ( virtual|real ) disturb quantum particles.

" Neil deGrasse Tyson explains Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle "
by JRE ( Joe Rogan Experience ), Feb, 2017
  Youtube.COM/watch?v=5XP-DQW_1gI
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          SamWormley  8a538bf9-9750-4bd3-82d0-624619b5445a@googlegroups.com
        MrAA  30d99475-cf7e-4c87-a0df-d52b56b841c3@googlegroups.com
      BenJacoby  qdubqb$1461$1@gioia.aioe.org
    MrAA  5d4d250c-215e-46aa-9cb8-d5f87d038883@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.13--5.53pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m44 Top; 2.1 Hours, GoogleG, 205.153.48.25,  Jun 13 {  3:32pm, 2019 }:34^(PDT)  Xʠϐʚ
      Sure, nuclear power plants do explode, but so does popcorn.

MrAA:
> Isn't "Safe Nuke" an oxymoron?

Bomb-Grade uranium is too expensive to use in nuclear reactors.

Any time you fly commercial, you're exposed to a ton of radiation,
far more than you'd get from Fukushima or Chernobyl,
where plants, animals, and the odd human, are positively thriving.

Sure, nuclear power plants do explode, but so does popcorn.
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.13--5.28pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
      The heresy of The "Cherubic" 14 Year Old YouTuber "Soph" (Sophia).

"Cherubic" 14 Year Old YouTuber "Soph" ( Sophia Totterman ) said what I've 
been posting here: "The Climate Apocalypse is a (child's) religion"; see:

    YouTube.COM/watch?v=Z_TopPhLroc

She attends Redwood High School, Larkspur, California.

At first I couldn't download the video because my copy of
"YouTube-DL.EXE" was 37 days old; after an update, it downloaded.

YouTube is on the verge of deleting her (heresy) channel;
as a result, she has almost a million subscribers.
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      SamWormley  8a5c8657-abac-4acf-a27a-ad28d1347b1d@googlegroups.com
    PaulAlsing  5cbc44f7-5341-4321-b749-61d3a6dab305@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.13--2.24pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m16 Cool; 1.7 Days, GoogleG,  Jun 11 {  8:32pm, 2019 }:59^(PDT)  XʟʛΔ
      TJ Frazir  GravityPhysics

PaulAlsing:
> Herbert Glazier posts almost daily over in alt.astronomy... 
> but wasn't there another Bert ?

TJ Frazir  GravityPhysics @.@ WebTV.NET
Last seen Oct 2012.
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        SamWormley  03ee82cd-e2ec-442c-8c0b-0e0ebeec26c6@googlegroups.com
      Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  qdsa6q$1nl4$1@gioia.aioe.org
    MrAA  f14f600e-b003-4d33-8f57-e593c8698c8b@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.13--2.14pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m39 Top; 4.9 Minutes, GoogleG, 205.153.48.25,  Jun 13 {  1:27pm, 2019 }:20^(PDT)  Xʠεα
      The Climate Apocalypse is a (child's) religion.

MrAA replied ( to Sergio & Sam ):
> > > Fox News made the US a hotbed of climate denial.
> > > Kids are the cure.
> > 
> > 
> > Nazi's proved in WW2 that Propaganda to the Youth 
> > was the way to brainwash the future.
> 
> Pol Pot in Cambodia gave us probably the most excellent example of 
> brainwashing all the children and then putting them in charge!  
> See how that one turned out!

The Climate Apocalypse is a (child's) religion.
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            swormley1@gmail_com  f17cdc5b-b109-412f-9396-75e0af0ce939@googlegroups.com
          MrAA  1bf95c2e-ee1a-4e0b-9593-56bd01104367@googlegroups.com
        SamWormley  dc860b18-5aaa-4dd9-b36d-5f95e307a3bd@googlegroups.com
      Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  qdtr6o$nsi$1@gioia.aioe.org
    MrAA  e7199ed5-0397-4168-b27e-0775503bf4e5@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.13--2.01pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 3  m39 Top; 14.7 Minutes, GoogleG, 205.153.48.25,  Jun 13 {  1:17pm, 2019 }:33^(PDT)  Xʠγმ
      Men weren't designed to live past 19 years old.

MrAA replied ( to Sergio ):
> > older people must be terminated before age 60.
> 
> I think the hospice care program is part of this.  
> they won't lift one finger to keep you alive !

Men weren't designed to live past 19 years old; 
in the poorest parts of the world, it's obvious.

Anything beyond that is pure gravy.
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      Kensi  qdsjll$uha$1@gioia.aioe.org
    whodat│whodat@avoid_void_net  qdtab7$dvr$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.13--1.46pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m2 Shifty; 9.5 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win7, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jun 13 {  3:59am, 2019 }:54^(-5)  Xʠɭჰ
      Long-Term, you can safely assume that the S&P 500 will return 7%.

whodat:
> Stocks and futures "markets" give something of an appearance of
> legitimacy but in the end they're nothing more than gambling.

Long-Term, you can safely assume that the S&P 500 will return 7%,
after inflation -- but the inflation numbers don't accurately reflect
the higher cost of rent, restaurants, taxes, insurance, education,
healthcare, daycare, lawsuits, divorce, etc.
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        Kensi  qdn73b$stq$1@gioia.aioe.org
      Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  698vfetknjc3s8i0feq3tl4067jlft46b8@4ax.com
    HughHuntzinger  a7bc4ada-39bc-434c-ba06-bb3b0e265522@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.13--1.31pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 2  m2 Top; 2.2 Days, GoogleG, 143.85.5.26,  Jun 11 {  8:24am, 2019 }:25^(PDT)  XʟYP
      Without an apocalypse, cult leaders lose control.

Without an apocalypse, cult leaders lose control.

Only higher taxes could possibly save us, right ?

Problem is, not everyone wants to play such a silly game.

First, Democrats demonize " Big Oil ", then they milk the poorest,
keeping them alive, like cows in a stall, feeding on food stamps.

"Prohibition" ( when hysterical church ladies take over ) taught us: 
the more "out-there" a government gets, the larger the (bloody) mob.

Moderation is best; just as a fat man doesn't
need more food, a rich country doesn't need a higher GDP;
we've forgotten how to be sustainably, moderately productive.
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              ScottDoty  gm92e5F95u6U2@mid.individual.net
            MsNadegda  qdnk94$qds$111@dont-email.me
          Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.3768f832741834de99767a@news.altopia.com
        ScottDoty  gm97r2F95u6U4@mid.individual.net
      Kensi  qdnraf$1kn2$1@gioia.aioe.org
    ScottDoty  gm9a9rF95u6U6@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.12--9.43pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns, Alt.Usenet.Kooks
    ╳ 6  m121 Top; 1.8 Days, Pan, Individual.NET,  Jun 11 {  2:24am, 2019 }:11  XʞნB
      "family" is a retirement disaster.

The IRS can take your money, you can get sued,
insurance is expensive, and you can't trust women;
land in the hospital and you'll owe a bazillion dollars.

In poorer areas, your family is your retirement plan;
in wealthier areas, "family" is a retirement disaster, as
men lose their children, their savings, and future income to divorce.

Rich, modern countries, like South Korea, average 0.98 babies
per woman ( the Fertility Rate ); replacement level is:  2.08;
hence the "Make America Great Again" nostalgia.
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    MsNadegda  qdkcmf$qds$94@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.9--8.35pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Talk.Politics.Guns, Alt.Checkmate, Rec.Arts.SF.Written, Rec.Arts.TV
    -Dropped, 50.4 Minutes, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jun  9 {  6:44pm, 2019 }:47  XʞHʧ
      I won't play a game designed by a "democracy" ( the hysterical mob ).

MsNadegda:
> The U.S. has been ranked in the top 10 most dangerous countries for women

In poorer areas, your family is your retirement plan;
in wealthier areas, "family" is a retirement disaster, as
men lose their children, their savings, and future income to divorce.

Rich, modern countries, like South Korea, average 0.98 babies
per woman ( the Fertility Rate ); replacement level is:  2.08;
hence the "Make America Great Again" nostalgia.

Bill Gates and Warren Buffett spend 90% of their money 
on the world's poorest kids, not their biological children.

Rich lesbians will get their free daycare/healthcare,
and "white male oppressors" will remain a minority in universities.

When women "go their own way", society applauds;
when men do it, I clap alone.

I won't play a game designed by a "democracy" ( the hysterical mob );
money is silly, health is everything.
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              SteveCarroll  7e33a1f3-48af-4a83-830f-2686298bfd79@googlegroups.com
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.6--11.45am.Seattle.2019
          SteveCarroll  e4f434a8-56d6-45e6-b9e7-164b93be90e8@googlegroups.com
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.6--0.24pm.Seattle.2019
      TheSnitBot  glt86mFn9mqU1@mid.individual.net
    Thomas_PointedEars_Lahn│  1717897.tdWV9SEqCh@PointedEars.de
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.8--11.18am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Sci.Bio.Misc
    ╱ 1  m7 Dropped; 31.7 Minutes, KNode, Albasani.NET,  Jun  8 { 10:39am, 2019 }:19^(2)  XʝuΩ
      Goolge: oxidative-stress, case-studies.

Tom replied ( to me ):
> > > The more oxygen you breathe in, the sooner you die; it's a fact.
> 
> No, it’s complete nonsense.  But then again, 
> what else to expect from a pseudonymous address munger?

Posting a valid email address to USENET is BEYOND ridiculous;
I post my website instead, because I'm not as insane as you are.
What demons reside in your head, I wonder.

Goolge: oxidative-stress, case-studies.

  Quoting " Oxidative Stress and the Aging Brain ", Dr. Riddle, 2007.
  ncbi.nlm.NIH.GOV/books/NBK3869/

    Currently, one of the most plausible and acceptable 
    explanations for the mechanistic basis of aging is 
    the " free radical theory of aging " ...

    The origin of this explanation has a foundation in 
    the " rate of living theory " [ Pearl ], 
    according to which, the lifespan of an individual depends on
    its rate of energy utilization ( metabolic rate ) ... 

    Pearl proposed that the longevity of an organism 
    is inversely correlated to its mass-specific 
    metabolic rate: increasing an organism’s metabolic 
    rate will decrease longevity, whereas factors that 
    decrease the metabolic rate will increase longevity ... 

    birds have a low rate of free radical production
    in brain and in other tissues [ increasing their longevity ]
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.6--11.00am.Seattle.2019
            SteveCarroll  7e33a1f3-48af-4a83-830f-2686298bfd79@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.6--11.45am.Seattle.2019
        SteveCarroll  e4f434a8-56d6-45e6-b9e7-164b93be90e8@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.6--0.24pm.Seattle.2019
    SteveCarroll  2c70350b-65c1-4f4b-929d-3d4f64a0c01e@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.6--3.22pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 5  m391 Mad; 1.4 Hours, GoogleG,  Jun  6 {  1:27pm, 2019 }:55^(PDT)  Xʛგϛ
      Cigarettes didn't kill Kurt Cobain.

I laugh my ass off every time I think about hysterical 
the (mindless) mob gets over _ OLD people dying from smoking; 
_ YOUNG people are getting drunk, shooting up and dying.

Don't worry about us old people, you mainstream "thinker".

> it's a good bet [ marathon runners ] drop dead at 
> a young age a lot less often than smokers get cancer.

I wouldn't take that bet.
Again, you can be super healthy one day, dead the next.
Kurt Cobain comes to mind, cigarettes didn't kill him.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.6--8.42am.Seattle.2019
            SteveCarroll  ae133472-1794-449c-8097-5c5c2e488e68@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.6--11.00am.Seattle.2019
        SteveCarroll  7e33a1f3-48af-4a83-830f-2686298bfd79@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.6--11.45am.Seattle.2019
    SteveCarroll  e4f434a8-56d6-45e6-b9e7-164b93be90e8@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.6--0.24pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m386 Mad; 4.9 Minutes, GoogleG,  Jun  6 { 11:55am, 2019 }: 8^(PDT)  XʛуȺ
      The more oxygen you breathe in, the sooner you die; it's a fact.

Steve Carroll replied ( to me ):
> > you're not the only 6' tall man who can hike 20 miles/day.
> 
> Never said I was but I know there aren't many willing to,
> especially at my age (60).  Too many young people 
> are quite overweight now, it's an epidemic.
> 
> Here, we start around 5k and go up to 14... but I generally hike to 
> places to fish so it's usually 10-11 and not what you'd call flat ;)

Wow, your health is quite impressive, for your age.

The more oxygen you breathe in, the sooner you die; it's a fact.
I've seen super-healthy men, marathon runners, drop dead overnight.

> > I know when someone's hiding something, like Snit does.
> > Pretty women don't shy away from Instagram.
> 
> What'd I hide? I've talked about height/weight in the past <shrug>. 
> I even posted the video that Snit has on his phony YT acct.
> If I was hiding why would I do that?

I asked you for a link to the video, you didn't give it to me.
Is it just your voice ?
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              TheSnitBot  glqjvqF5qumU1@mid.individual.net
            SteveCarroll  e3d494dc-b190-425b-8b72-f630c47dc57b@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.6--8.42am.Seattle.2019
        SteveCarroll  ae133472-1794-449c-8097-5c5c2e488e68@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.6--11.00am.Seattle.2019
    SteveCarroll  7e33a1f3-48af-4a83-830f-2686298bfd79@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.6--11.45am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 5  m383 Mad; 15.3 Minutes, GoogleG,  Jun  6 { 11:12am, 2019 }:14^(PDT)  XʛмE
      Pretty women don't shy away from Instagram.

Steve Carroll:
> My worst 'sin' is carbs... my 'flaw' is I have rear tooth that's cracked
> and I can't (more like won't) hike 20 miles in a day anymore. 
> So what color corsage should I bring you? ;)

I'm not into men ( I don't "date" anyone ); even if I was,
you're not the only 6' tall man who can hike 20 miles/day.

29 years ago, I did the 33 mile Hoh River Trail; 
one day to go up, another day to go down.

It begins at an altitude of about 600 ft,
and is mostly flat for about 13 miles, 
after which it ascends steeply to Glacier Meadows, altitude 4,300 ft.

My friend and I walked on the glaciers.

> > Like Snit, your response was soaked in guilt.
> 
> Like Snit, you're trying to pretend you know how people 'feel' ;)

I know when someone's hiding something, like Snit does.
Pretty women don't shy away from Instagram.
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              Beedle│Beedle@dont-email_me  0001HW.22A8B66F000440A0700009CA72EF@news.giganews.com
            TheSnitBot  glrdi4FatvmU2@mid.individual.net
          Beedle│Beedle@dont-email_me  0001HW.22A8BC9E0005B383700009CA72EF@news.giganews.com
        Owl  sg8a0b803ga.hu34@rooftop.invalid
      Beedle│beedle@dont-email_me  0001HW.22A966070000A8B5700000E0B2EF@news.giganews.com
    Owl  8ga8ba9b83.3haui@rooftop.invalid
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.6--11.18am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m46 Top; 1.2 Hours, BadRig, Alt.NET, Boom.Rooftop,  Jun  6 {  9:36am, 2019 }:44  XʛЬi
      My (extra-long) monitor arm.

Owl:
> It's a thousand-dollar monitor *stand*.  
> But oh yeah, I'm sure there are some logo-happy fools who will buy it.  

I wonder if Apple could charge 2'000$ for it ?

Personally, I think it's rather useless;
my (extra-long) monitor arm swings out over my bed,
from the side, holding my 40" curved, 4k monitor.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.4--4.42pm.Seattle.2019
            SteveCarroll  03fa1ea6-9004-4e4a-bc90-4ce10018957c@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.5--8.26am.Seattle.2019
        SteveCarroll  a6a02d64-4873-48ca-86e3-9310ebdba056@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.5--8.57am.Seattle.2019
    SteveCarroll  5066812a-51bb-4405-8d0b-6ec5bbd3c154@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.6--11.08am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 9  m378 Mad; 1.5 Hours, GoogleG,  Jun  6 {  9:16am, 2019 }: 2^(PDT)  XʛШϰ
      We males were designed to die at age 19.

Steve Carroll replied ( to me ):
> > I was laying down, head propped up on a pillow/baseboard,
> > still groggy from a long night's sleep,
> > and my microphone picks up every little thing.
> 
> Then why did you sound exactly like this in the previous video you
> made on this topic, a good number of months back? I thought maybe 
> in the first video that something like the above might be the case...
> it obviously isn't. Being stubbornly in denial of reality
> is one of the worst "weaknesses" one can have.  Go ask your mentor ;)

Sure, I do have throat irritation ( at times )
but my voice has always been crappy.
I sound different when I'm out and about, walking around.

We males were designed to die at age 19;
and they still do, in the poorest parts of the world.
Anything above that is pure gravy.
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              SteveCarroll  5106bf97-e386-4420-90c7-9d64176ad564@googlegroups.com
            MrChrisV  jg4gfedk9nbo4m1n1v7ut7hui66fa9hnoa@4ax.com
          TheSnitBot  glqjvqF5qumU1@mid.individual.net
        SteveCarroll  e3d494dc-b190-425b-8b72-f630c47dc57b@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.6--8.42am.Seattle.2019
    SteveCarroll  ae133472-1794-449c-8097-5c5c2e488e68@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.6--11.00am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 10  m378 Mad; 1.8 Hours, GoogleG,  Jun  6 {  9:  am, 2019 }:36^(PDT)  XʛЦa
      Steve Carroll's response was soaked in guilt.

Steve Carroll:
> my Tele on Snit's bogus YT channel

What video, exactly ?  what is a "Tele" ?

> LOL! Anyone can see that you immediately  (and Snit-ishly)
> tried to shine the spotlight elsewhere, finally ending in the
> ultimate 'Snit proclamation' that I'm 'guilty'. 
> If there's a Snit Jr. in this discussion, you're it ;)

I forthrightly answered all your questions Re: smoking, right ?

Unlike you, I told you my height and weight.
Now I'm thinking that you're ashamed of your height.

I simply pointed out that everyone has "flaws",
and I asked what yours was.

Like Snit, your response was soaked in guilt.
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              SteveCarroll  10d99857-af0a-4d3b-b459-0508c07891e5@googlegroups.com
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.5--9.36am.Seattle.2019
          SteveCarroll  5106bf97-e386-4420-90c7-9d64176ad564@googlegroups.com
        MrChrisV  jg4gfedk9nbo4m1n1v7ut7hui66fa9hnoa@4ax.com
      TheSnitBot  glqjvqF5qumU1@mid.individual.net
    SteveCarroll  e3d494dc-b190-425b-8b72-f630c47dc57b@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.6--8.42am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 5  m374 Mad; 51.7 Minutes, GoogleG,  Jun  6 {  7:43am, 2019 }:44^(PDT)  XʛЙɨ
      I found Steve Carroll's "guilt".

Everyone has a weakness, and I found Steve Carroll's.

I'm embarrassingly overweight: 245 lbs, 6' tall;
but, unlike Steve, I'm not too embarrassed to admit it.

And that makes Steve like Snit because Snit won't admit 
to anything that might seem even slightly embarrassing.
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              The_Starmaker│starmaker@ix_  5CF6BBAC.36A@ix.netcom.com
            Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  gloq68Fo7mfU1@mid.individual.net
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.5--6.02am.Seattle.2019
        The_Starmaker│starmaker@ix_  5CF7FB62.1C67@ix.netcom.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.5--10.33am.Seattle.2019
    BenJacoby  qd94f1$5cm$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.5--0.40pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Alt.Astronomy, Rec.Arts.SF.Written
    ╱ 2  m101 Top; 3.6 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Aioe.ORG,  Jun  5 {   :16pm, 2019 }:51^(-4)  XʛȾб
      Sundials are off by far more than 90 nano-seconds every 79 years.

Sundials are off by far more than 90 nano-seconds every 79 years.
Earth's rotation is slowing down, it wobbles, and its orbit changes.
You (Ben) think otherwise because you're too busy hallucinating.
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              The_Starmaker│starmaker@ix_  5CF6BBAC.36A@ix.netcom.com
            Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  gloq68Fo7mfU1@mid.individual.net
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.5--6.02am.Seattle.2019
        The_Starmaker│starmaker@ix_  5CF7FB62.1C67@ix.netcom.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.5--10.33am.Seattle.2019
    The_Starmaker│starmaker@ix_  5CF81425.3807@ix.netcom.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.5--0.32pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Sci.Physics.Relativity, Alt.Astronomy, Rec.Arts.SF.Written
    ╱ 1  m66 Dropped; 7.8 Minutes, Gecko➤Mozilla➤WinNT, Earthlink.COM, 108.219.229.47,  Jun  5 {   :12pm, 2019 }:37^(-7)  XʛȾb
      Either one, LDS or LSD, are appropriate for Starmaker.

You (Starmaker) wrote:
> If you fly from El Lay to New York...you don't 
> need to set your sundial to New York time.  It's accurate. 
> 
> What's LDS ?

In America, Latter Day Saints are Mormons, 
the only ones gullible enough to breed anymore;
in poorer parts, Muslims do the breeding.

Either one, LDS or LSD, are appropriate for you, 
so you can avoid science and technology.
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              Sirgeo│invalid@invalid_com  qd8qt1$ob3$1@gioia.aioe.org
            Beedle│beedle@dont-email_me  0001HW.22A829B00006B6037000012762EF@news.giganews.com
          Sirgeo│invalid@invalid_com  qd8soo$11r0$1@gioia.aioe.org
        Sirgeo│invalid@invalid_com  qd8t7c$13ul$1@gioia.aioe.org
      Beedle│beedle@dont-email_me  0001HW.22A837A00009FA667000012762EF@news.giganews.com
    Sirgeo│invalid@invalid_com  qd93k4$1i5$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.5--0.19pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m5 Shifty; 9.3 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win7, Aioe.ORG,  Jun  5 {   : 2pm, 2019 }:20^(-5)  Xʛȼʌ
      Democracy is a comedy of ( not-so-funny ) errors.

Democracy is a comedy of ( not-so-funny ) errors.

You can kill thieving junkies, as they do in the Philippines, 
where the (corrupt) cops run the drug trade, 

or simply ignore the problem, like they do in Seattle, 
where no one is punished ( no jail time, nor rehab );
either way, the problem persists.
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              The_Starmaker│starmaker@ix_  5CF627EB.3637@ix.netcom.com
            Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  glmo9rFalllU1@mid.individual.net
          The_Starmaker│starmaker@ix_  5CF6BBAC.36A@ix.netcom.com
        Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  gloq68Fo7mfU1@mid.individual.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.5--6.02am.Seattle.2019
    The_Starmaker│starmaker@ix_  5CF7FB62.1C67@ix.netcom.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.5--10.33am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Sci.Physics.Relativity, Alt.Astronomy, Rec.Arts.SF.Written
    ╱ 1  m68 Dropped; 45 Secs, Gecko➤Mozilla➤WinNT, Earthlink.COM, 108.219.229.47,  Jun  5 { 10:26am, 2019 }:58^(-7)  XʛsΓ
      Starmaker's LSD.

Starmaker replied ( to me ):
> > 90 billionths of a second, after 79 years.
> > Sundials aren't that accurate.
> 
> A sundial is certaintly more accurate than an atomic clock,

While that may be true in your world, given enough LSD,
it's not true for the rest of humanity.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.5--8.26am.Seattle.2019
            SteveCarroll  a6a02d64-4873-48ca-86e3-9310ebdba056@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.5--8.57am.Seattle.2019
        SteveCarroll  10d99857-af0a-4d3b-b459-0508c07891e5@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.5--9.36am.Seattle.2019
    SteveCarroll  5106bf97-e386-4420-90c7-9d64176ad564@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.5--10.26am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m370 Mad; 19.7 Minutes, GoogleG,  Jun  5 {  9:58am, 2019 }:47^(PDT)  XʛnЭ
      Human males were designed to die at age 19.

Snit's twin replied ( to me ):
> > Do you over-eat ? What's your height/weight ?
> 
> LOL! Dude, I'm not gonna date ya ;) 

The guilt is strong in this one.

> I just noticed that your voice sounds like you
> may already have a serious issue... and maybe it's
> not too late to do something about it if you care to.

Human males were designed to die at age 19;
and they still do, in the poorest parts of the world.
Anything above that is pure gravy.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.4--4.42pm.Seattle.2019
            SteveCarroll  03fa1ea6-9004-4e4a-bc90-4ce10018957c@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.5--8.26am.Seattle.2019
        SteveCarroll  a6a02d64-4873-48ca-86e3-9310ebdba056@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.5--8.57am.Seattle.2019
    SteveCarroll  10d99857-af0a-4d3b-b459-0508c07891e5@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.5--9.36am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m369 Mad; 18.4 Minutes, GoogleG,  Jun  5 {  9: 2am, 2019 }:43^(PDT)  Xʛeʣ
      Do you over-eat ? What's your height/weight?

My throat gets irritated when I relax, smoking doesn't help;
sucking on hard candy stops the cough.
I know non-smokers who got horrible throat cancer.

I sound different when I'm out and about, walking around.
I've always had a crappy voice.

> I don't even drink coffee now, only certain kinds of tea.

No caffeine for me; no tea, no chocolate.

Do you over-eat ? What's your height/weight ?
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          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.4--4.42pm.Seattle.2019
        SteveCarroll  03fa1ea6-9004-4e4a-bc90-4ce10018957c@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.5--8.26am.Seattle.2019
    SteveCarroll  a6a02d64-4873-48ca-86e3-9310ebdba056@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.5--8.57am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m369 Mad; 6 Minutes, GoogleG,  Jun  5 {  8:42am, 2019 }:28^(PDT)  XʛbS
      No street drugs ?

Steve Carroll:
> you sound like you may have throat cancer in the making,
> if not a case of it already..

I was laying down, head propped up on a pillow/baseboard,
still groggy from a long night's sleep,
and my microphone picks up every little thing.

> > Chances are, you're doing something worse.  Pills ?
> 
> Don't drink, don't smoke... don't even take things like aspirin. 

You're the picture of health ? no bad habits ?

No street drugs ?
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      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.4--4.42pm.Seattle.2019
    SteveCarroll  03fa1ea6-9004-4e4a-bc90-4ce10018957c@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.5--8.26am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 3  m369 Mad; 36.5 Minutes, GoogleG,  Jun  5 {  7:42am, 2019 }:21^(PDT)  XʛRL
      Free Hong Kong !

Steve Carroll replied ( to me ):
> > When your health is gone, you're poor; money is silly.
> > Last 30+ years, I spent nothing on healthcare.
> 
> At the least, you really should quit smoking.

Not bloody likely, compadre.

Chances are, you're doing something worse.  Pills ?

I spent 0$ on pills, last 30+ years.

Free Hong Kong !
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              The_Starmaker│starmaker@ix_  5CF55899.EEE@ix.netcom.com
            Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  gllmp2F3vjqU1@mid.individual.net
          The_Starmaker│starmaker@ix_  5CF627EB.3637@ix.netcom.com
        Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  glmo9rFalllU1@mid.individual.net
      The_Starmaker│starmaker@ix_  5CF6BBAC.36A@ix.netcom.com
    Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  gloq68Fo7mfU1@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.5--6.02am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics.Relativity, Alt.Astronomy, Rec.Arts.SF.Written
    ╱ 3  m43 Top; 9.6 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win7, Individual.NET,  Jun  4 {  8:11pm, 2019 }: 1^(10)  XʚНл
      Sundials aren't that accurate.

A twin who spent 79 years living a foot higher 
then his brother, would be 90 nanoseconds older.

90 billionths of a second, after 79 years.

Sundials aren't that accurate.
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.4--4.42pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
      " Democracy " ( the mob ) is insane.

I don't know how to judge potential renters;
lawyers can mess you up too, not just pot heads.

Homelessness went down 8% in Seattle because we
were forced to rent to criminals and sex offenders;
I can't even do a credit check, thanks to new laws.

I retired at age 28, 1988, when my ex divorced me.
The government gave her my money, teaching me
a priceless lesson: " Democracy " ( the mob ) is insane.

When your health is gone, you're poor; money is silly.
Last 30+ years, I spent nothing on healthcare.
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      EdProchak  82b8a0dd-cac6-459d-867d-1d817892d6b9@googlegroups.com
    Sergeio│invalid@invalid_com  qd6263$7fa$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.4--9.14am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics
    ╳ 1  m130 Mad; 50.6 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win7, Aioe.ORG,  Jun  4 {  8:19am, 2019 }:26^(-5)  Xʚʙɖ
      Measuring Planck’s constant.

Sergeio:
> no mass, no gravity.

According to who, Walt Disney ?

Japan Times, May 25, 2019:

  NEW YORK - Last week the kilogram got a new 
  definition — one that rests on a quantity of light. 

  All electrons, protons, neutrons and photons have 
  perfectly uniform masses and other properties. 
  They don’t age or get dented or scratched. 

  And yes, particles of light — photons — 
  can have a mass under certain circumstances.    
  
  Light is massless when it travels the speed of light, 
  but you can confine photons in a sort of mirrored box, 
  so that they bounce back and forth but 
  have an average speed of zero relative to the box.

  In that case, the photons indeed have predictable mass. 
  The box with the photons will have more mass than the box alone.
  
  The energy of a photon is equal to
  its frequency times the Planck constant.    
  
  Just as scientists had to set the speed of light at a 
  fixed number in order to define the meter without the 
  platinum bar, so on Monday they set Planck’s constant 
  at a fixed value to get rid of the mutable kilogram. 

  There were two different kinds of devices that had 
  been used to precisely measure Planck’s constant,
  and both can be used to measure the kilogram,
  now that Planck’s constant is fixed.    
  
  One device, called the Kibble balance, can measure 
  either the kilogram or Planck’s constant by balancing 
  weight against electromagnetic forces. 

  The other apparatus uses a sphere of precisely measured size
  — so precise that scientists can approximate the number 
  of atoms it contains.    
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              The_Starmaker│starmaker@ix_  5CF4CB42.2D73@ix.netcom.com
            Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  glkhtvFqog4U1@mid.individual.net
          The_Starmaker│starmaker@ix_  5CF55899.EEE@ix.netcom.com
        Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  gllmp2F3vjqU1@mid.individual.net
      The_Starmaker│starmaker@ix_  5CF627EB.3637@ix.netcom.com
    Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  glmo9rFalllU1@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.4--6.05am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics.Relativity, Alt.Astronomy, Rec.Arts.SF.Written
    ╱ 1  m40 Top; 4.4 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win7, Individual.NET,  Jun  4 {  1:26am, 2019 }:33^(10)  Xʚɔʙ
      The Ten Commandments didn't have fine print.

I think Starmaker's trying to tell us that 
he doesn't like "evil" General Relativity.

Science and Technology are relatively new to humanity; 
many see it as an encroachment on simple, "absolute" truths.
The Ten Commandments didn't have fine print.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.1--5.20pm.Seattle.2019
            BenJacoby  qcvfpg$11jb$1@gioia.aioe.org
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.2--6.01am.Seattle.2019
        BenJacoby  qd24kn$j0r$1@gioia.aioe.org
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.3--1.56am.Seattle.2019
    Kensi  qd4rm4$m6h$4@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.3--10.43pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m59 Dropped; 1.2 Hours, NewsTap➤iPad, Aioe.ORG,  Jun  3 {  9:22pm, 2019 }:25^(2)  XʚhЗ
      What part of Game of Thrones made sense to you ?

Kensi replied ( to me ):
> > Popular TV shows, including The Twilight Zone and Game of Thrones,
> > are formulaic; i.e. random sex and violence are mandatory.
> > None of them have cause-and-effect, none of them make any sense.
> 
> Just because *you* can't follow the plots in these shows
> doesn't mean there aren't any.  *snicker*

What part of Game of Thrones made sense to you ?
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              Odd_Bodkin│bodkinodd@gmail_com  qc6cba$18bk$1@gioia.aioe.org
            PengKuan_Em│titang78@gmail_com  bb6cec33-c2b2-4e00-bd35-bfd3d2e76e45@googlegroups.com
          Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  gl8vnfFbdeqU1@mid.individual.net
        PengKuan_Em│titang78@gmail_com  bdf22628-f529-43fe-8769-196d1ddbcb27@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.31--5.52pm.Seattle.2019
    PengKuan_Em│titang78@gmail_com  29cbd1da-a19d-497d-a86f-945a8bf40bf1@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.3--11.58am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 2  m11 Cool; 20.4 Minutes, GoogleG,  Jun  3 { 11:32am, 2019 }:54^(PDT)  Xʙпʮ
      PengKuan doesn't give a shit about science.

PengKuan:
> The Twins Paradox is just a special relativity phenomenon.

....he said, completely ignoring the insane degree of acceleration
that the traveling astronaut is subjected to.

You (PengKuan) don't give a shit about science.
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              .  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.2--6.01am.Seattle.2019
            .  qd24kn$j0r$1@gioia.aioe.org
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.3--1.56am.Seattle.2019
        BenJacoby  qd38qg$1njf$1@gioia.aioe.org
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.3--7.37am.Seattle.2019
    BenJacoby  qd3oag$n4$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.3--11.45am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Rec.Arts.SF.Written
    ╱ 1  m25 Top; 20 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Aioe.ORG,  Jun  3 { 11:18am, 2019 }:56^(-4)  Xʙнu
      Randomness is ignorance; it's everywhere.

Ben replied ( to me ):
> > Science is a new thing in human evolution;
> > people want _ random _ sex+violence, not science.
> 
> Hey Rolf, you seem to have forgotten that in your world there
> is no such thing as "random", be it sex or violence!

Ben, you ignorant slut, randomness is ignorance; it's everywhere.

> Science is newer but very powerful.  Think not? just try to pry away 
> cars, cellphones, and air conditioners from the public who thinks that 
> science doesn't matter only sex and violence does.

Flat-Earthers use GPS maps on their iPhones,
completely oblivious of the orbiting clocks it requires.

> Hey what people "want" is what CNN tells them they want.

MainStream Media will always be insane.
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              .  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.1--5.20pm.Seattle.2019
            .  qcvfpg$11jb$1@gioia.aioe.org
          .  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.2--6.01am.Seattle.2019
        .  qd24kn$j0r$1@gioia.aioe.org
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.3--1.56am.Seattle.2019
    BenJacoby  qd38qg$1njf$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.3--7.37am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Rec.Arts.SF.Written
    ╱ 1  m25 Top; 31.2 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Aioe.ORG,  Jun  3 {  6:54am, 2019 }:23^(-4)  XʙБN
      People want _ random _ sex+violence, not science.

Ben replied ( to me ):
> > Popular TV shows, including The Twilight Zone and Game of Thrones,
> > are formulaic; i.e. random sex and violence are mandatory.
> > None of them have cause-and-effect, none of them make any sense.
> 
> I don't watch game of Thrones, but TZ is so much the opposite of 
> formulaic ( except that it is always based on logical surprises )

I don't watch either show.

Science is a new thing in human evolution; 
people want _ random _ sex+violence, not science.
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              The_Starmaker│starmaker@ix_  5CF39341.511@ix.netcom.com
            Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  glhjbaF78kbU1@mid.individual.net
          The_Starmaker│starmaker@ix_  5CF4263C.6EFA@ix.netcom.com
        Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  gljg4rFjplvU1@mid.individual.net
      The_Starmaker│starmaker@ix_  5CF4BDD9.130C@ix.netcom.com
    Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  gljus6FmmvdU1@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.3--2.20am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics.Relativity, Alt.Astronomy, Rec.Arts.SF.Written
    ╱ 1  m37 Top; 1.6 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win7, Individual.NET,  Jun  3 {   :  am, 2019 }:22^(10)  XʙΟM
      If you're a super-high-tech Einstein...

Sylvia replied ( to Starmaker ):
> > It's *more* 'complicated' using tuning fork vibrations
> > to measure time than a shadow.
> 
> You'd prefer a definition of the second that's next to useless,
> only because it's what the sundial shows ?
> 
> I remain unclear as to the point of this thread.

For most people, it's more useful, and obviously easier,
to measure time in terms of how many emperors have passed away.

If you're a super-high-tech Einstein, you might need to know
how orbiting clocks synchronize with surface clocks;
but such people are very few and far between.

Many people insist that the earth is flat; to them, I say:  
  Have at it, you don't need to "know" any more than that.
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              SamWormley  407abb0c-8fd2-4dc2-9609-47ac0d9b65d6@googlegroups.com
            BenJacoby  qcv462$1hua$1@gioia.aioe.org
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.1--5.20pm.Seattle.2019
        BenJacoby  qcvfpg$11jb$1@gioia.aioe.org
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.2--6.01am.Seattle.2019
    BenJacoby  qd24kn$j0r$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.3--1.56am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Rec.Arts.SF.Written, Rec.Arts.TV, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 3  m104 Top; 5 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Aioe.ORG,  Jun  2 {  8:36pm, 2019 }:52^(-4)  Xʙʜq
      Random sex and violence are mandatory.

Ben replied ( to me ):
> > The Twilight Zone's "research" isn't scientific.
> 
> You can start by providing us with ALL "twilight zone research"
> so we can judge if none if it is scientific. 
> 
> Ben, you ignorant slut, you don't even have a clue
> what being "scientific" means.

....Ben said, looking in the mirror.

Popular TV shows, including The Twilight Zone and Game of Thrones,
are formulaic; i.e. random sex and violence are mandatory.
None of them have cause-and-effect, none of them make any sense.
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              The_Starmaker│starmaker@ix_  5CF34840.52F@ix.netcom.com
            Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  glh01fF3c2uU1@mid.individual.net
          The_Starmaker│starmaker@ix_  5CF3650E.27D2@ix.netcom.com
        Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  glhdg0F61buU1@mid.individual.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.2--6.17am.Seattle.2019
    Tom_Roberts│tjroberts137  fK2dnTKvI4kbZ27BnZ2dnUU7_83NnZ2d@giganews.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.2--0.04pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics.Relativity, Alt.Astronomy, Rec.Arts.SF.Written
    ╱ 1  m1 Shifty; 41.4 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Mac, Giganews.COM,  Jun  2 {  9:34am, 2019 }:13^(-5)  Xʙjϻ
      Bose-Einstein Condensates are the most accurate timepieces.

Tom Roberts replied ( to me ):
> > only lasers measure time ( and distance ) accurately.
> 
> Nope.  Indeed I know of no clock that is based upon a laser

Don't be so pedantic, I meant:  Bose-Einstein Condensates, 
including "atom lasers" ( coherent atoms ), lasers, and masers.

Quoting Wikipedia:

  Early atomic clocks were based on masers at room temperature. 

  Since 2004, more accurate atomic clocks 
  first cool the atoms to near absolute zero 
  temperature by slowing them with lasers and probing 
  them in atomic fountains in a microwave-filled cavity.  

> > Today, even the kilogram is measured in terms of lasers,
> > Planck's constant ( h, e = h*frequency ), and "e/c^2 = m".
> 
> Not really. The kilogram was recently redefined in terms of various 
> constants of nature (including c and Planck's). 
> But lasers are neither part of the definition nor essential.

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              The_Starmaker│starmaker@ix_  5CF1E459.3931@ix.netcom.com
            Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  gle6v4Ffl6qU1@mid.individual.net
          The_Starmaker│starmaker@ix_  5CF34840.52F@ix.netcom.com
        Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  glh01fF3c2uU1@mid.individual.net
      The_Starmaker│starmaker@ix_  5CF3650E.27D2@ix.netcom.com
    Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  glhdg0F61buU1@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.2--6.17am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Sci.Physics.Relativity, Alt.Astronomy, Rec.Arts.SF.Written
    ╱ 2  m35 Top; 4.9 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win7, Individual.NET,  Jun  2 {   :51am, 2019 }:28^(10)  Xʘьι
      Only lasers measure time ( and distance ).

Sylvia:
> sundials don't measure time, they measure the position of the sun.

Correct, only lasers measure time ( and distance ).

Today, even the kilogram is measured in terms of lasers, 
Planck's constant ( h, e = h*frequency ), and "e/c^2 = m".
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          SamWormley  407abb0c-8fd2-4dc2-9609-47ac0d9b65d6@googlegroups.com
        BenJacoby  qcv462$1hua$1@gioia.aioe.org
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.1--5.20pm.Seattle.2019
    BenJacoby  qcvfpg$11jb$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.2--6.01am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 2  m110 Top; 9.3 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Aioe.ORG,  Jun  1 {  8:28pm, 2019 }:48^(-4)  XʘРЮ
      The Twilight Zone's "research" isn't scientific.

Ben replied ( to me ):
> > BenJacoby: "professional protographer", "professional musician",
> > and chief "scientist" for The Twilight Zone's oddest episodes.
> 
> I was "principal research scientist" for one of the 
> larger research organizations in the world.

The Twilight Zone's "research" isn't scientific.
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              .  qc6cba$18bk$1@gioia.aioe.org
            .  bb6cec33-c2b2-4e00-bd35-bfd3d2e76e45@googlegroups.com
          .  gl8vnfFbdeqU1@mid.individual.net
        .  bdf22628-f529-43fe-8769-196d1ddbcb27@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.31--5.52pm.Seattle.2019
    Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  glgnv4F1qptU1@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.2--5.25am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate, Rec.Arts.TV
    ╱ 1  m3 Top; 9.3 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win7, Individual.NET,  Jun  1 {  6:44pm, 2019 }: 1^(10)  XʘϿɹ
      "The Twins Paradox" is about The Astronaut.

Fermilab’s Dr. Don Lincoln has the same objection ( here )
as you, Sylvia, see:    YouTube.COM/watch?v=noaGNuQCW8A

However, I prefer my explanation because, after all,
"The Twins Paradox" is about  The Astronaut ...
not cosmic rays, coming and going.

General Relativity tells us that The MicroAccelerated Twin's clock
ticks faster, and he ages faster, than The HyperAccelerated Twin,
assuming he survived it ( he didn't ).

P.S. Congratulations on being more "autistic" than me;
you have impressed me greatly, no joke.
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      SamWormley  407abb0c-8fd2-4dc2-9609-47ac0d9b65d6@googlegroups.com
    BenJacoby  qcv462$1hua$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.1--5.20pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m108 Top; 3.2 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Aioe.ORG,  Jun  1 {  5:10pm, 2019 }:43^(-4)  XʘϡЩ
      Chief "scientist" for The Twilight Zone.

BenJacoby: "professional protographer", "professional musician",
and chief "scientist" for The Twilight Zone's oddest episodes.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.30--0.36pm.Seattle.2019
            Owl  9ba0b803.gau34@rooftop.invalid
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.1--5.59am.Seattle.2019
        Owl  sxbuobab.3@rooftop.invalid
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.1--7.11am.Seattle.2019
    Owl  g8zb89tgalh3.h@rooftop.invalid
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.1--8.39am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, News.Software.Readers, Alt.Free.Newsservers
    ╱ 1  m4 Top; 48.9 Minutes, BadRig, Alt.NET, Boom.Rooftop,  Jun  1 {  7:36am, 2019 }:57  Xʘʒv
      I said, "no top level windows".

Owl replied ( to me ):
> > > > I like my SearchBar  BELOW  the address bar, 
> > > > not  IN  the address bar, not in a top-level window... OK ?
> > > >     Jeff-Relf.Me/SearchBar.PNG
> > > 
> > > I could emulate that by linking windows.
> > 
> > OK, let's see it, large text and all.
> 
> streamable.com/m6l3m

I said, "no top level windows"; you're showing 
2 top level windows, obstructing the browser.  
Also, I go months without ever seeing my desktop.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.29--3.41pm.Seattle.2019
            SteveCarroll  6ebe070d-a3c1-4770-8a18-4791f3c9c5e4@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.30--0.36pm.Seattle.2019
        Owl  9ba0b803.gau34@rooftop.invalid
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.1--5.59am.Seattle.2019
    Owl  sxbuobab.3@rooftop.invalid
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.1--7.11am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, News.Software.Readers, Alt.Free.Newsservers
    ╱ 1  m49 Top; 6.1 Minutes, BadRig, Alt.NET, Boom.Rooftop,  Jun  1 {  6:59am, 2019 }:57  Xʘʋჳ
      Let's see it, large text and all.

Owl replied ( to me ):
> > I like my SearchBar  BELOW  the address bar, 
> > not  IN  the address bar, not in a top-level window... OK ?
> >     Jeff-Relf.Me/SearchBar.PNG
> 
> I could emulate that by linking windows.

OK, let's see it, large text and all.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.30--0.36pm.Seattle.2019
            Owl  9ba0b803.gau34@rooftop.invalid
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.1--5.59am.Seattle.2019
        SteveCarroll  aeedac7e-7007-4040-99aa-57d36e3530c8@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.1--6.24am.Seattle.2019
    Owl  bxb803ga.3@rooftop.invalid
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.1--7.02am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, News.Software.Readers, Alt.Free.Newsservers
    ╱ 2  m48 Top; 4.9 Minutes, BadRig, Alt.NET, Boom.Rooftop,  Jun  1 {  6:47am, 2019 }: 5  Xʘʉп
      I modify open source.

Owl:
> I can set the font in my tcl search app to be whatever I want it to be.

Again, I like my SearchBar  BELOW  the address bar, 
not  IN  the address bar, not in a top-level window... OK ?
    Jeff-Relf.Me/SearchBar.PNG

I modify the way Firefox looks; and the way webpages look;
and I do it while watching videos, multitasking.

I modify open source.
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              Joel│joelcrump@gmail_com  7io3fep7hjtjfq54hpgkvcldcn0b37u680@4ax.com
            TheSnitBot  gle74kFflhpU1@mid.individual.net
          Joel│joelcrump@gmail_com  bl44fedbf3kjt1s91vtpjv1hprc6pvqsh9@4ax.com
        TheSnitBot  glej09Fi108U1@mid.individual.net
      Ratchetjaw│ratchetjaw@mail_com  t3uIE.19903$4O5.6428@fx46.iad
    ScottDoty  glfchhFn3a4U1@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.1--6.42am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m91 Top; 4 Minutes, Pan, Individual.NET,  Jun  1 {  6:22am, 2019 }:58  Xʘʅи
      Michael Glasser's sense of guilt runs deeper than we can imagine.

Michael Glasser's sense of guilt runs deeper than we can imagine.

Flooding newsgroups, as he does, is designed to block Google,
so no one can discover that "the Emperor" (Mike) is wearing no clothes.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.29--3.41pm.Seattle.2019
            SteveCarroll  6ebe070d-a3c1-4770-8a18-4791f3c9c5e4@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.30--0.36pm.Seattle.2019
        Owl  9ba0b803.gau34@rooftop.invalid
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.1--5.59am.Seattle.2019
    BranimirMaksimovic  7UuIE.2344879$%SF.661064@fx15.am4
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.1--6.32am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, News.Software.Readers, Alt.Free.Newsservers
    ╱ 1  m38 Top; 11.2 Minutes, slrn➤Linux, HighWinds➤Usenet-News.NET,  Jun  1 {  6:15am, 2019 }:47  Xʘʄϒ
      Does anyone here believe in open source ?

Branimir replied ( to me ):
> > Jeff-Relf.Me/SearchBar.PNG
> > I modify Firefox 67, I write extensions.
> 
> Modify in what sense ?

See the screenshot, 
it's not the default Firefox 67 that you might be used to.

My address bar and search bar have larger text,
compared to the default... something neither Steve nor Owl can do.

I control the look of my modified version of 
the (Open Source) "Classical Search Bar" extension.

Does anyone here believe in open source ?
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.29--3.41pm.Seattle.2019
            SteveCarroll  6ebe070d-a3c1-4770-8a18-4791f3c9c5e4@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.30--0.36pm.Seattle.2019
        Owl  9ba0b803.gau34@rooftop.invalid
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.1--5.59am.Seattle.2019
    SteveCarroll  aeedac7e-7007-4040-99aa-57d36e3530c8@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.1--6.24am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m366 Mad; 4 Secs, GoogleG,  Jun  1 {  6:14am, 2019 }:35^(PDT)  Xʘʄʛ
      The (Open Source) "Classical Search Bar" extension.

I control the look of my modified version of 
the (Open Source) "Classical Search Bar" extension.

If it gave me "eye strain", as you (Steve) say, I'd change it.

My address bar and search bar have larger text,
compared to the default... something neither you nor Owl can do.
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          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.29--3.41pm.Seattle.2019
        .  6ebe070d-a3c1-4770-8a18-4791f3c9c5e4@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.30--0.36pm.Seattle.2019
    Owl  9ba0b803.gau34@rooftop.invalid
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.1--5.59am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, News.Software.Readers, Alt.Free.Newsservers
    ╱ 1  m1 Top; 3.7 Minutes, BadRig, Alt.NET, Boom.Rooftop,  Jun  1 {  5: 6am, 2019 }: 6  Xʘɹ6
      I modify Firefox 67, I write extensions.

Owl replied ( to me ):
> >     Jeff-Relf.Me/SearchBar.PNG
> > Note how sophisticated my search methods are;
> > GoogleChrome isn't even playing in the same league.
> 
> This works "fine" with chrome and firefox: imgur.com/bXrDmVk
> And of course it could be customized however you want it.

No, I like my SearchBar  BELOW  the address bar, 
not  IN  the address bar, not in a top-level window... OK ?
I modify Firefox 67, I write extensions.
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              SteveCarroll  e3372b95-abf8-487c-8006-019fd54f6049@googlegroups.com
            TheSnitBot  gldu7sFdor8U11@mid.individual.net
          SteveCarroll  6a41c91a-c151-42c8-a53b-0601e5782c8b@googlegroups.com
        TheSnitBot  gldvr7Fe762U4@mid.individual.net
      TheSnitBot  gle02kFe762U5@mid.individual.net
    SteveCarroll  9a67f3ec-3c44-4150-8cc9-b3090de350ea@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.31--6.14pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    +-, 7.8 Minutes, GoogleG,  May 31 {  5:58pm, 2019 }:38^(PDT)  Xʘ9Ф
      Mike is having a "galloping insanity" snit.

No one should be surprised that 
Mike is having a "galloping insanity" snit; 
it's right there, in his "From:" line.

A dimwitted child can see that his definition
of "equal rights" is anything but.

Communism is inherently nationalist, racist.
All across America, colleges mostly contain 
Asians and women, not white male "oppressors".
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              Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  gkl37uF1obbU1@mid.individual.net
            PengKuan_Em│titang78@gmail_com  ec298569-e765-4b09-b6fc-20468beef38d@googlegroups.com
          Odd_Bodkin│bodkinodd@gmail_com  qc6cba$18bk$1@gioia.aioe.org
        PengKuan_Em│titang78@gmail_com  bb6cec33-c2b2-4e00-bd35-bfd3d2e76e45@googlegroups.com
      Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  gl8vnfFbdeqU1@mid.individual.net
    PengKuan_Em│titang78@gmail_com  bdf22628-f529-43fe-8769-196d1ddbcb27@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.31--5.52pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m9 Cool; 32.9 Minutes, GoogleG,  May 31 {  4:23pm, 2019 }:22^(PDT)  Xʗჯა
      The MicroAccelerated Twin's clock ticks faster.

PengKuan:
> the traveling twin sees Earth's time running slower, 

No, Earth's clocks tick faster.

The Traveling Twin reverses direction, from c to -c;
The Stay-At-Home Twin's acceleration is relatively minor.

So, really, we should be calling them "The HyperAccelerated Twin"
and "The MicroAccelerated Twin"; also, we should note that 
Special Relativity isn't about accelerated frames of reference.

General Relativity tells us that The MicroAccelerated Twin's clock
ticks faster, and he ages faster, than The HyperAccelerated Twin,
(absurdly) assuming he survived it.
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          SamWormley  6dcf45cc-9d72-4d7d-8558-6a600ebd6c43@googlegroups.com
        BenJacoby  qcompv$1531$1@gioia.aioe.org
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.31--5.22am.Seattle.2019
    BenJacoby  qcrbdp$vt2$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.31--7.07am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m133 Top; 11.2 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Aioe.ORG,  May 31 {  6:49am, 2019 }:46^(-4)  XʗАɪ
      Walt Disney is not a science Institute.

Ben Jacoby was the "Principal Research Scientist" in charge of
animating Dumbo The Elephant's flight, I'm sure.

Walt Disney is not a science Institute.
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    HerbertGlazier  0d0ecd15-501a-4699-94c3-cd34ab204047@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.31--5.44am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Rec.Arts.TV, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m48 Top; 14.9 Hours, GoogleG, 74.118.32.5,  May 30 {  2: 6pm, 2019 }: 8^(PDT)  Xʗɛ8
      Communism is inherently nationalist, racist.

Herbert Glazier:
> Ben Bradlee [ Washington Post editor, from 1968 to 1991 ]
> stated America is not free anymore. 

No one was ever free.

Our Universe is going from infinitely  hot/dense  to infinitely  cold/sparse.
"God" (nature) programmed us to ride this wave 
( i.e. to sustainablely consume residual exergy ), same as the sun.

> I lived when America was free.
> I will die at 92 knowing it died before me.

Then you've done something wrong,
because my life just keeps getting better.

Left-Wing Regressives taxe+regulate producers and enable thieving junkies;
producing fewer of the former, and more of the latter.

> GOPers call me a commie.

You're part of the mob that uses guns to take money from me.

" 'The majority of the stupid' [democracy] is invincible,
  and guaranteed for all time.

  The terror of their tyranny, however,
  is alleviated by their lack of consistency. "
  -- Einstein, in "Ideas and Opinions", 1954, New York.

Many leaders, including Trump, are playing by China's rulebook now:
ban imports, ban Google and Facebook, subsidize Huawei.

Communism is inherently nationalist, racist.
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      SamWormley  6dcf45cc-9d72-4d7d-8558-6a600ebd6c43@googlegroups.com
    BenJacoby  qcompv$1531$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.31--5.22am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Rec.Arts.TV, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m132 Top; 22.2 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Aioe.ORG,  May 30 {  6:45am, 2019 }:39^(-4)  XʗHτ
      Ben, you ignorant slut.

Ben, you ignorant slut, Einstein's equations tell us how clocks very,
depending on their relative speed and altitude -- measured in NanoSeconds.
Galieo's only clock was his heartbeat.  Do you see the difference ?

Have you learned any thermodynamics lately ?
last I checked, you knew  absolutely  nothing  about it.

If you were just 500 years behind today's science, I'd be amazed.

You could write for Hollywood, and make much coin,
but I wouldn't trust you to mop the floor of a science building.

" The majority of the stupid [democracy] is invincible,
  and guaranteed for all time.

  The terror of their tyranny, however,
  is alleviated by their lack of consistency. "
  -- Einstein, in "Ideas and Opinions", 1954, New York.
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            Kensi  qcnlha$c94$1@gioia.aioe.org
          Beedle│Beedle@dont-email_me  0001HW.229F98410011DB0770000EBE22EF@news.giganews.com
        AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  qcoq53$g9s$2@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.30--1.19pm.Seattle.2019
    HerbertGlazier  7910296f-0232-42b1-92ff-579810278af7@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.30--4.32pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 2  m51 Top; 2.8 Hours, GoogleG, 74.118.32.5,  May 30 {  1:38pm, 2019 }:25^(PDT)  Xʗɖʑ
      The Royal Windsor house eats Ramen, just like everyone else.

Herbert Glazier wrote:
> The Royal Windsor house is worth over a trillion

Yet they eat Ramen, just like everyone else.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.29--3.41pm.Seattle.2019
            SteveCarroll  6ebe070d-a3c1-4770-8a18-4791f3c9c5e4@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.30--0.36pm.Seattle.2019
        SteveCarroll  99720fac-d348-43cf-a679-81008ec312b0@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.30--1.35pm.Seattle.2019
    SteveCarroll  85a419b8-e2f3-4b7c-80ee-146178453018@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.30--4.10pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, News.Software.Readers, Alt.Free.Newsservers
    ╱ 11  m352 Mad; 27.5 Minutes, GoogleG,  May 30 {  1:44pm, 2019 }:50^(PDT)  Xʗɗʪ
      Here's a new screencast for you, Steve Carroll.

Steve Carroll replied ( to me ):
> > > > Jeff-Relf.Me/SearchBar.PNG
> > > > Note how sophisticated my search methods are;
> > > > GoogleChrome isn't even playing in the same league.
> 
> I remember you talking about it awhile back... and IIRC
> you even made a screencast but I can't find it now.

Here's a new screencast for you, it's rather crappy;
YouTube offers a very fuzzy 720p version of the 4K original.
The microphone was my Logitech g635 headset.

  Firefox 67, developers' edition, has many search methods, customizable:
    YouTube.COM/watch?v=CxT2Nh8kx3M
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              Beedle│Beedle@dont-email_me  0001HW.229F657A0005F49270000EBE22EF@news.giganews.com
            Bobby_Zeppole│idontlikeemail  gla2klFibraU1@mid.individual.net
          Beedle│Beedle@dont-email_me  0001HW.22A019E60002965D7000041D12EF@news.giganews.com
        AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  qcopvn$g9s$1@dont-email.me
      Beedle│beedle@dont-email_me  0001HW.22A03DE00004612D7000057732EF@news.giganews.com
    AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  qcp5l5$nsd$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.30--2.02pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 1  m181 Mad; 2.3 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  May 30 { 10:59am, 2019 }: 2^(-6)  Xʗxм
      Communism taxes-and-regulates producers and enables thieving junkies;

Snit asked:
> > What makes you think communists are freeloaders ?

Because they taxe+regulate producers and enable thieving junkies;
producing fewer of the former, and more of the latter.

> > Trump got $1 million from his father.

Give that to Snit, and it'd be gone in a day;
he'd file bankruptcy and stiff everyone;
and, unlike Trump, he'd never recover from it.
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            Kensi  qcnlha$c94$1@gioia.aioe.org
          Beedle│Beedle@dont-email_me  0001HW.229F98410011DB0770000EBE22EF@news.giganews.com
        Sergeio│invalid@invalid_com  qcos49$1trp$1@gioia.aioe.org
      Beedle│beedle@dont-email_me  0001HW.22A02BFD00002FC57000057732EF@news.giganews.com
    AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  qcp067$lhf$2@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.30--1.46pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m181 Mad; 3.9 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  May 30 {  9:25am, 2019 }:45^(-6)  Xʗiɩ
      "God" (nature) programmed us to ride this wave.

Snit wrote:
> > Capitalism is raping the earth

Our Universe is going from infinitely  hot/dense  to infinitely  cold/sparse.
"God" (nature) programmed us to ride this wave 
( i.e. to sustainablely consume residual exergy ), same as the sun.
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          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.29--3.41pm.Seattle.2019
        SteveCarroll  6ebe070d-a3c1-4770-8a18-4791f3c9c5e4@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.30--0.36pm.Seattle.2019
    SteveCarroll  99720fac-d348-43cf-a679-81008ec312b0@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.30--1.35pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, News.Software.Readers, Alt.Free.Newsservers
    ╱ 14  m352 Mad; 8.6 Minutes, GoogleG,  May 30 {  1:11pm, 2019 }:27^(PDT)  Xʗɑვ
      My search methods.

Steve Carroll replied ( to me ):
> > Jeff-Relf.Me/SearchBar.PNG
> > Note how sophisticated my search methods are;
> > GoogleChrome isn't even playing in the same league.
> 
> Explain.

Do you understand what's going on in the screenshot ?

I click a mouse button and all my search methods show up
like that, on the top left; so I can click on one of them,
and hit "Enter" ( to run the search ). 
"Enter" is assigned to a mouse button; see:
Jeff-Relf.Me/MouseKeyboardLayout.PNG

UrbanDictionary.COM/define.php?term={searchTerms}
Google.COM/search?q=define:{searchTerms}
Dictionary.COM/browse/{searchTerms}
YouTube.COM/results?search_query={searchTerms}
Google.COM/search?q={searchTerms}
Google.COM/search?tbm=isch&q={searchTerms}
Google.COM/search?q={searchTerms} site:WikiPedia.ORG
News.Google.COM/news/search/section/q/{searchTerms}
Google.COM/search?q={searchTerms}&tbs=qdr:d7
Rarbg.TO/torrents.php?search={searchTerms}
Maps.Google.COM/maps?q= {searchTerms}
Amazon.com/s?k={searchTerms}
Google.COM/search?q={searchTerms} site:microsoft.com
Google.COM/search?q={searchTerms} site:developer.mozilla.org
Groups.Google.COM/forum/#!search/messageid:{searchTerms}
WhatIsMyIPAddress.com/ip/{searchTerms}
Google.COM/search?q={searchTerms} site:WikiQuote.ORG
Google.COM/search?q={searchTerms} site:Wiktionary.ORG
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        Kensi  qcnlha$c94$1@gioia.aioe.org
      Beedle│Beedle@dont-email_me  0001HW.229F98410011DB0770000EBE22EF@news.giganews.com
    AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  qcoq53$g9s$2@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.30--1.19pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 4  m182 Mad; 4.7 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  May 30 {  7:42am, 2019 }:45^(-6)  XʗRj
      "democracy" ( mob rule ) is a force of nature.

AnonLinuxUser wrote:
> democracy was hated by Socrates.

"Democracy" ( mob rule ) is a force of nature;
it might run you over, or it might help you, 
but it sure-as-hell doesn't care about you.
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              SteveCarroll  2f97442f-b7e6-47c8-8ae2-77e6f2706f2f@googlegroups.com
            Ratchetjaw│ratchetjaw@mail_com  qWFHE.20938$k34.18646@fx25.iad
          Beedle│Beedle@dont-email_me  0001HW.229F657A0005F49270000EBE22EF@news.giganews.com
        Bobby_Zeppole│idontlikeemail  gla2klFibraU1@mid.individual.net
      Beedle│Beedle@dont-email_me  0001HW.22A019E60002965D7000041D12EF@news.giganews.com
    AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  qcopvn$g9s$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.30--1.14pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 5  m182 Mad; 4.8 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  May 30 {  7:39am, 2019 }:52^(-6)  XʗQϘ
      Snit's "equal rights" are anything but.

Both Nazi Germany and Soviet Venezuela chased out their best and brightest.

No evidence suggests that Trump might be a (gay) Freemason;
look at their history -- they were "bathing" each other in secret.

Snit:
> > Fox News is America's CCCP-era Pravda. 

Snit would silence Fox, I'm sure.
His "equal rights" are anything but.

Look at the list of billionaires; 
nearly all of the women got their money from men.
80% of the time, men get the child support, and women get the child.

All across America, colleges mostly contain Asians and women,
not white male "oppressors".

Unless you're prepared to step down from your position of prominence,
none of this "racist/sexist" stuff can be mentioned 
-- it's left-wing regression, oppression, anti-male, anti-white.

> > You believe capitalism is good. But your banks are bailed out with
> > $1 trillion US dollars at the tax payer expense.

The government's Freddie Mae and Fannie Mac
are the only ones who wanted the money,
the only ones who needed the money, 
and the only ones who are still underwater.

> > Your government doesn’t like that Huawei beat you to the 5G rollout.

Many leaders, including Trump, are playing by China's rulebook now:
ban imports, ban Google and Facebook, subsidize Huawei.

  Intrinsically, Communism is nationalist, racist.
  Vietnam is a victory for Eastern racism while
  Germany is a victory for Western globalization.
  Singapore is racist globalization.
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      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.29--3.41pm.Seattle.2019
    SteveCarroll  6ebe070d-a3c1-4770-8a18-4791f3c9c5e4@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.30--0.36pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, News.Software.Readers, Alt.Free.Newsservers
    ╱ 12  m350 Mad; 2 Hours, GoogleG,  May 30 { 10:24am, 2019 }:16^(PDT)  XʗsG
      GoogleChrome isn't even playing in the same league.

Steve Carroll replied ( to me ):
> > GoogleChrome users can't do this (below).
> > How YouTube looks to me ( on FireFox 67, Developer Edition, Win10 ):
> > 
> >   Jeff-Relf.Me/YouTubeComments.PNG   Jeff-Relf.Me/YouTubeComHist.PNG
> >   Jeff-Relf.Me/YouTubeNotices.PNG    Jeff-Relf.Me/YouTubeSubs.PNG
> > 
> > "Jeff-Relf.Me/SearchBar.PNG" shows how my AddressBar/SearchBar text
> > (UpperLeft) stands out, larger than elsewhere;
> > the DropDown, UpperLeft, lists the "Search Methods" I use.
> > 
> > Skinned via:   Jeff-Relf.Me/userChrome.CSS.TXT
> >   Jeff-Relf.Me/userContent.CSS.TXT   Jeff-Relf.Me/Black.Theme.TXT
> 
> Why can't these things be done in Chrome (it's all just HTML, JS and CSS)?

Double the size of your address bar and your (nonexistent) search bar
( which contains a history of your searches, not URLs ), 
and then give me a screenshot.

Also, note how sophisticated my search methods are;
GoogleChrome isn't even playing in the same league.
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Jeff-Relf.Me@May.29--3.41pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, News.Software.Readers, Alt.Free.Newsservers
      GoogleChrome users can't do this.

GoogleChrome users can't do this (below).
How YouTube looks to me ( on FireFox 67, Developer Edition, Win10 ):

  Jeff-Relf.Me/YouTubeComments.PNG   Jeff-Relf.Me/YouTubeComHist.PNG
  Jeff-Relf.Me/YouTubeNotices.PNG    Jeff-Relf.Me/YouTubeSubs.PNG

"Jeff-Relf.Me/SearchBar.PNG" shows how my AddressBar/SearchBar text
(UpperLeft) stands out, larger than elsewhere;
the DropDown, UpperLeft, lists the "Search Methods" I use.

Skinned via:   Jeff-Relf.Me/userChrome.CSS.TXT
  Jeff-Relf.Me/userContent.CSS.TXT   Jeff-Relf.Me/Black.Theme.TXT
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jeff-relf.me@May.29--5.32am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
      Intrinsically, Communism is nationalist, racist.

Intrinsically, Communism is nationalist, racist.

Vietnam is a victory for Eastern racism while
Germany is a victory for Western globalization.
Singapore is racist globalization.
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Jeff-Relf.Me@May.21--10.38am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
      Nazi Germany and Soviet Venezuela

Technology and globalization are displacing people;
it's 1930 all over again, complete with Hoovervilles.
" Democracy " ( the mob ) commits suicide when it
chases out its best and brightest, out of jealousy, 
as happened in Nazi Germany and Soviet Venezuela.
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              Odd_Bodkin│bodkinodd@gmail_com  qbpl4k$1h2d$1@gioia.aioe.org
            JohnSefton  7650e0c4-1e56-4711-98bc-d5274968989d@googlegroups.com
          Odd_Bodkin│bodkinodd@gmail_com  qbq4dr$1mmi$1@gioia.aioe.org
        JohnSefton  2d11d54a-3fe1-4d34-bdd1-d19401d4b4d5@googlegroups.com
      MichaelMoroney  qbqcgu$d9b$1@pcls7.std.com
    BenJacoby  qbr4je$1te6$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.19--8.02pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 2  m174 Top; 17.9 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Aioe.ORG,  May 19 {  1:37am, 2019 }: 2^(-4)  Xʏηȴ
      Neither Ben Jacoby nor Michael Moroney believe in thermodynamics.

Neither Ben Jacoby nor Michael Moroney believe in thermodynamics;
still, it's true, gravity is residual exergy.
Our Universe is going from infinitely  hot/dense to infinitely  cold/sparse.
                                   
General Relativity is just a computer program;
garbage in, garbage out.
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      SamWormley  41928dd6-e65e-4a7c-a0b9-5bc811d618da@googlegroups.com
    MrAA  75e025db-86be-4cd7-be73-2265dda10938@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.19--7.43pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m47 Top; 4.5 Hours, GoogleG, 205.153.48.25,  May 19 {  3: 4pm, 2019 }:17^(PDT)  XʏტϿ
      Pee'Air makes the world go 'round.

Neil deGrasse Tyson told little Miss Ashley Watson:

    I want to hug you so bad right now, but
    I know that if I do I’ll just want more.

Pee'Air makes the world go 'round.
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            .  0001HW.228F2D4104943E4370000253E2CF@news.giganews.com
          .  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.17--0.15pm.Seattle.2019
        .  0001HW.228F5915049E842370000253E2CF@news.giganews.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.17--7.14pm.Seattle.2019
    Sergeio│invalid@invalid_com  qbnuu4$1vt3$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.17--9.09pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Alt.Privacy.Anon-Server, Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10
    ╱ 1  m4 Shifty; 23.1 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win7, Aioe.ORG,  May 17 {  8:41pm, 2019 }:49^(-5)  XʎТძ
      LeftWingRegressives have neutered CorrectionalTreatmentSpecialists ?

Sergeio replied ( to me ):
> > LeftWingRegressives have neutered CorrectionalTreatmentSpecialists ?
> 
> so, are you channeling this stuff ?

No, I have no idea what you're talking about.

> hey, you are posting to alt.privacy.anon-server,
> do you remember Frog-Admin ?  from lots of years back ?

No, but I think a "froggery" is a post using 
a name very similar someone else.
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        FabianRussell  qbngv50hh@news3.newsguy.com
      Tattoo_Vampire│sitting@this_  qbnjar$uif$1@tattoovampire.eternal-september.org
    Russian_Election_Hacker│  qbnk54$3k1$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.17--7.37pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 2  m3 Shifty; 1.3 Hours, UnisonMacBin, Eternal-September.ORG,  May 17 {  5:37pm, 2019 }:56^(-4)  Xʎϴɴ
      RussianHacker is well-dressed, popular with the ladies.

Guessing, I'd say:
 
  RussianHacker is well-dressed, popular with the ladies.
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              AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  qbl61i$8dj$2@dont-email.me
            Savageduck│savageduck1@  0001HW.228E57020462079970000253E2CF@news.giganews.com
          AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  qbmraa$vfv$2@dont-email.me
        Savageduck│savageduck1@  0001HW.228F2D4104943E4370000253E2CF@news.giganews.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.17--0.15pm.Seattle.2019
    Savageduck│savageduck1@  0001HW.228F5915049E842370000253E2CF@news.giganews.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.17--7.14pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Privacy.Anon-Server, Misc.Phone.Mobile.Iphone, Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10
    ╱ 1  m10 Shifty; 4.9 Hours, Hogwasher, Giganews.COM,  May 17 {  2: 3pm, 2019 }:17^(-7)  XʎλΧ
      LeftWingRegressives have neutered CorrectionalTreatmentSpecialists ?

LeftWingRegressives have neutered CorrectionalTreatmentSpecialists ?

  In a rich city, where everything is at your fingertips,
  one forgets how to work hard ( and be sober ),
  because it simply isn't necessary.

  Prohibition, when hysterical church ladies take over, taught us: 
  the more "out-there" a government gets, the larger the (bloody) mob.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.16--4.14pm.Seattle.2019
            Savageduck│savageduck1@  0001HW.228E3B7E045B948570000253E2CF@news.giganews.com
          AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  qbl61i$8dj$2@dont-email.me
        Savageduck│savageduck1@  0001HW.228E57020462079970000253E2CF@news.giganews.com
      AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  qbmraa$vfv$2@dont-email.me
    Savageduck│savageduck1@  0001HW.228F2D4104943E4370000253E2CF@news.giganews.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.17--0.15pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Privacy.Anon-Server, Misc.Phone.Mobile.Iphone, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10
    ╱ 1  m9 Shifty; 1.2 Hours, Hogwasher, Giganews.COM,  May 17 { 10:56am, 2019 }:17^(-7)  XʎΔʉ
      What changes ?

Savageduck:
> Given what I was doing with prisons, and gangs it was interesting, and turned 
> out to have been a great job.  However, there have been quite a few changes in 
> the system, and I am thankful to be retired, and away from all the politics 
> oozing from Sacramento making things tougher for those working there today.

What changes ?
■
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.17--4.31am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Rec.Arts.TV, Alt.Checkmate
      The citizen’s arrest ( at gunpoint ).

The citizen’s arrest ( at gunpoint ).
Quoting The Washington Post, May 7, 2019:

  The United Constitutional Patriots, 
  an armed militia at the southern border in New Mexico,
  has drawn intense scrutiny after live-streaming
  its activities on social media. 

  Groups like the UCP routinely litter the border with traps
  to discourage — and detain at gunpoint —  migrants 
  from coming to U.S. territory. 

  They patrol the Mojave in the dead of night, 
  and coordinate with Customs and Border Patrol agents,
  to transfer people into government hands.    

  The group argues that it is acting lawfully, 
  in the tradition of other vigilante groups 
  operating along the U.S.-Mexico border. 

  For all the noise they make, these groups have come to use
  one practice that, at first blush, is quite meek, and 
  almost arcane in today’s world:  the citizen’s arrest.
 
  But thanks to critical aspects of U.S. law, this 
  practice is rife for abuse and gives these groups far 
  more leeway to act than one might think.  
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              AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  qbhcc7$m9h$3@dont-email.me
            T│T@invalid_invalid  qbiaf9$rjk$3@dont-email.me
          AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  qbikob$fni$1@dont-email.me
        Savageduck│savageduck1@  0001HW.228D10B304158CDD70000253E2CF@news.giganews.com
      AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  qbk2cu$rdl$1@dont-email.me
    Savageduck│savageduck1@  0001HW.228DF55F044B255B70000253E2CF@news.giganews.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.16--4.14pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Privacy.Anon-Server, Misc.Phone.Mobile.Iphone, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10
    ╱ 3  m5 Shifty; 3 Hours, Hogwasher, Giganews.COM,  May 16 {   :45pm, 2019 }:35^(-7)  Xʍыπ
      SavageDuck works for the government.

SavageDuck:
> I don't just believe I'm OK, I know.

You work for the government, I assume.
■
              Kensi  qbimht$ccj$2@gioia.aioe.org
            Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.3746b54fb4296e679971f3@news.altopia.com
          Kensi  qbj5fl$dur$1@gioia.aioe.org
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.16--4.03am.Seattle.2019
      MsNadegda  qbkevb$clj$46@dont-email.me
    Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37476a53a2a8c58299723b@news.altopia.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.16--3.41pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Rec.Arts.TV, Alt.Checkmate
    ╳ 1  m149 Dropped; 1.6 Hours, MicroPlanet, Alt.NET,  May 16 {  1:39pm, 2019 }:21^(-7)  Xʍეβ
      How is Feminism not: WOMEN Going Their Own Way (WGTOW) ?

Checkmate called out Ms Nadegda and Kensi:
> > > MGTOW are misogynists.
> > > 
> > > Feminism is WOMEN Going Their Own Way (WGTOW).
> > 
> > More proof that Relf does not live on planet Earth.
> 
> Riding a Sybian or enjoying a freshly peeled cucumber 
> is a pretty good indication of women going their own way...

How is Feminism not: WOMEN Going Their Own Way (WGTOW) ?

Is this true ?:

  Do Feminists work hard for equal rights between men and women ? No.
  Do they want MEN to gain custody of their children more often ? No.
  Do they worry about MEN being underrepresented in colleges ? No.
■
          Dimensional_Traveler│dtravel  qbhtdt$d1f$4@dont-email.me
        Kensi  qbimht$ccj$2@gioia.aioe.org
      Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.3746b54fb4296e679971f3@news.altopia.com
    Kensi  qbj5fl$dur$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.16--4.03am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Rec.Arts.TV, Alt.Checkmate
    +Top, 2.8 Hours, NewsTap➤iPad, Aioe.ORG,  May 16 {  1: 2am, 2019 }:49^(2)  Xʍαʩ
      Feminism is WOMEN Going Their Own Way (WGTOW).

Kensi imagined:
> > > Planet MGTOW ( was Re: The Orville  s02e12 )
> > 
> > Why does MGTOW bother you so much?
> 
> Because they're misogynists.

Feminism is WOMEN Going Their Own Way (WGTOW).

In the poorest, most remote parts of Africa,
where one's life expectancy is quite short,
the luckier ones have 4 wives and 30 kids.
    
In contrast, the luckier ones a in a rich, modern city
( Seoul, Taipei, Singapore, Shanghai and Hong Kong )
don't get married, nor have kids ( 0.98 births / woman );
-- because it's maximal work with minimal reward.
    
In a rich city, where everything is at your fingertips,
one forgets how to work hard ( and be sober ),
because it simply isn't necessary.
■
    Kensi  qbim75$ccj$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.15--11.52pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 2  m76 Top; 1.7 Hours, NewsTap➤iPad, Aioe.ORG,  May 15 {  8:42pm, 2019 }:16^(2)  XʍʝG
      When hysterical church ladies take over.

Kensi wrote something like:
> fossil fuels have put us in grave danger.
> Big Oil ! LOCK 'EM UP!!

First, Democrats demonize " Big Oil ", then they milk the poorest,
keeping them alive, like cows in a stall, feeding on food stamps.

Prohibition, when hysterical church ladies take over, taught us: 
the more "out-there" a government gets, the larger the (bloody) mob.

Moderation is best; just as a fat man doesn't
need more food, a rich country doesn't need a higher GDP;
we've forgotten how to be sustainably, moderately productive.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.13--7.19pm.Seattle.2019
            SteveCarroll  8d2cf2ae-f340-4a63-9a31-0b6d8a096b5b@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.14--2.19pm.Seattle.2019
        SteveCarroll  4790d36b-6e7d-4559-b32b-ab1d67e4904a@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.14--4.25pm.Seattle.2019
    SteveCarroll  46b231e8-23ff-4b82-bdd1-a622024da52f@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.15--2.47pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 3  m367 Mad; 6.5 Hours, GoogleG,  May 15 {  7:49am, 2019 }:12^(PDT)  XʍSȾ
      "SMS.VoIP.MS"

SteveCarroll replied ( to me ):
> > > > "SMS.VoIP.MS" is really bad, because hitting the "back" key screws things up;
> > > > you have to use special (JavaScript) "buttons", provided by the website.
> > > 
> > > Is it a really old site?
> > 
> > No, their web guy is just really incompetent.
> 
> You sure that's not just holdover code from 'days of old' (some
> sites that have been around awhile, that have been modernized,
> still cling to some of their older code)?

"SMS.VoIP.MS" didn't exist 3 (4?) years ago;
SMS over VoIP is a new thing.
■
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.15--6.43am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
      We've forgotten how to be sustainably, moderately productive.

Moderation is best; just as a fat man doesn't
need more food, a rich country doesn't need more money.

Sadly, the world is becoming a proverbial " rat utopia ";
we've forgotten how to be sustainably, moderately productive.
■
    Kensi  qbfvp8$7ia$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.14--10.27pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m91 Top; 2.2 Hours, NewsTap➤iPad, Aioe.ORG,  May 14 {  8: 7pm, 2019 }: 8^(2)  XʌНȺ
      Kensi's crystal ball.

> Permafrost Melt Could Destroy a Third of All Arctic
> Infrastructure, Affecting as Many as 4 Million People

....cackled Kensi, as she gazed into her crystal ball.

Quoting The World Health Organization:

  Nearly half of the world's population is at risk of malaria.
  In 2015, there were roughly 212 million malaria cases
  and an estimated 429 thousand malaria deaths.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.13--7.19pm.Seattle.2019
            AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  qbejdv$1lj$1@dont-email.me
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.14--1.50pm.Seattle.2019
        AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  qbfet7$bff$1@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.14--4.34pm.Seattle.2019
    AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  qbftap$r3e$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.14--10.10pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, News.Software.Readers, Alt.Free.Newsservers
    ╱ 4  m271 Mad; 10.8 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  May 14 {  7:25pm, 2019 }:29^(-6)  XʌЖə
      The more "out-there" a government gets, the larger the mob.

AnonLinuxUser bold me:
> I'd hate to see Seattle go all out communism tho.
> That is a possibility.

When you outlaw liquor, for example, the mob steps in.
The more "out-there" a government gets, the larger the mob.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.13--7.19pm.Seattle.2019
            AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  qbejdv$1lj$1@dont-email.me
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.14--1.50pm.Seattle.2019
        AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  qbfet7$bff$1@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.14--4.34pm.Seattle.2019
    sergIo│invalid@invalid_com  qbfni1$15gf$2@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.14--6.55pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Alt.Free.Newsservers
    ╱ 4  m11 Shifty; 25.5 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win7, Aioe.ORG,  May 14 {  5:46pm, 2019 }:55^(-5)  Xʌϵе
      I'm more likely to win the lottery.

sergIo wrote:
> BRAIN-EATING amoebas from Seattle tap water attack elderly woman

I'm more likely to win the lottery, 
get hit by lightning, and then murdered.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.13--5.31pm.Seattle.2019
            .  c784cd00-1066-4399-9e1e-e5a3e4f7a499@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.13--7.19pm.Seattle.2019
        AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  qbejdv$1lj$1@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.14--1.50pm.Seattle.2019
    AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  qbfet7$bff$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.14--4.34pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, News.Software.Readers, Alt.Free.Newsservers
    ╱ 1  m69 Cool; 1.1 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  May 14 {  3:19pm, 2019 }:26^(-6)  Xʌψɖ
      Seattle tolerates my eccentricities, more so than any other place.

AnonLinuxUser replied ( to me ):
> > Seattle is the devil I know, the one I'm most adapted to.
> > If I knew of a better alternative, I'd take it.
> 
> You may have to do some serious research on line.
> At least you won't get stung.
> But Seattle, from what I've seen so far, is still going downhill.

Seattle tolerates my eccentricities, more so than any other place.
Mentally, I can't think of a better place; 
still, I have this mysterious FEELING that I might be wrong.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.13--5.31pm.Seattle.2019
            SteveCarroll  c784cd00-1066-4399-9e1e-e5a3e4f7a499@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.13--7.19pm.Seattle.2019
        SteveCarroll  8d2cf2ae-f340-4a63-9a31-0b6d8a096b5b@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.14--2.19pm.Seattle.2019
    SteveCarroll  4790d36b-6e7d-4559-b32b-ab1d67e4904a@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.14--4.25pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m364 Mad; 11.6 Minutes, GoogleG,  May 14 {  3:56pm, 2019 }:45^(PDT)  Xʌϕʥ
      "SMS.VoIP.MS"

SteveCarroll replied ( to me ):
> > "SMS.VoIP.MS" is really bad, because hitting the "back" key screws things up;
> > you have to use special (JavaScript) "buttons", provided by the website.
> 
> Is it a really old site?

No, their web guy is just really incompetent.
I use the site to I send-and-receive text messages,
I'd rather use Bria 5, the app, but it doesn't always work.

Most reliable: text messages are emailed to me.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.13--4.36pm.Seattle.2019
            SteveCarroll  f974ba60-4aff-4f77-9eae-a7694182885b@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.13--5.31pm.Seattle.2019
        SteveCarroll  c784cd00-1066-4399-9e1e-e5a3e4f7a499@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.13--7.19pm.Seattle.2019
    SteveCarroll  8d2cf2ae-f340-4a63-9a31-0b6d8a096b5b@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.14--2.19pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 17  m363 Mad; 5.1 Hours, GoogleG,  May 14 {  8:13am, 2019 }:36^(PDT)  Xʌʘɠ
      JavaScript... bringing mystery back to computing.

SteveCarroll replied ( to me ):
> > makes left-click open links in a new tab;
> > and it lets me blacklist certain domains, so they don't get modified.
> > 
> > Thanks to JavaScript, different (sub)domains act differently;
> > "News.Google.COM", "Groups.Google.COM", "Google.COM", "YouTube.COM",
> > and "VoIP.MS" all work differently, requiring different code.
> 
> That's what case/switch is for ;) I'm not exactly sure what you're
> referring to with "differently", you mean the left-clicking of tabs?

No, I'm talking about what happens when you left-click a link;
I want ALL LINKS TO OPEN IN A NEW TAB, not in the current tab.

What all these different (sub)domains do, when you left-click,
is very mysterious, because it's JavaScript.
JavaScript... bringing mystery back to computing.

"VoIP.MS" is really bad, because hitting the "back" key screws things up;
you have to use special (JavaScript) "buttons", provided by the website.

> > A number of my tenants lost their jobs recently;
> > some are depressed and addicted to substances;
> > worst are those who won't pay, nor move out, 
> > nor do anything I ask of them.
> 
> Are you the one who screens them to move in ?

Yes, which makes me feel even worse about it.
I'm one of the spoiled rats, so I have no reason to complain.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.13--4.36pm.Seattle.2019
            SteveCarroll  f974ba60-4aff-4f77-9eae-a7694182885b@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.13--5.31pm.Seattle.2019
        SteveCarroll  c784cd00-1066-4399-9e1e-e5a3e4f7a499@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.13--7.19pm.Seattle.2019
    AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  qbejdv$1lj$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.14--1.50pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, News.Software.Readers, Alt.Free.Newsservers
    ╱ 7  m266 Mad; 5.8 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  May 14 {  7:30am, 2019 }:29^(-6)  XʌʑT
      If I knew of a better alternative, I'd take it.

AnonLinuxUser told me:
> You need to bail out of Seattle.  As long as a socialist is
> running Seattle, it will always be a 3rd world rated city.

Seattle is the devil I know, the one I'm most adapted to.
If I knew of a better alternative, I'd take it.
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            Trumped│anon@anonymous_com  73dd6e880d2311e7681de516674e8fca@dizum.com
          default│default@defaulter_net  hn7lded1v88evuj1frg33o40055b2hdm13@4ax.com
        T│T@invalid_invalid  qbe8fv$mf3$1@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.14--4.34am.Seattle.2019
    T│T@invalid_invalid  qbe9r2$v08$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.14--5.25am.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Privacy.Anon-Server, Misc.Phone.Mobile.Iphone, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10
    ╱ 1  m3 Shifty; 14 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤X11, Eternal-September.ORG,  May 14 {  4:46am, 2019 }:40^(-7)  XʌɵЦ
      Americans are at once spoiled -and- greedy.

Someone mentioned:
> Regressives even have their own version of Black Shirts:
> Antifa (Antifaschistische Aktion).

Yes, AntiFa is preaching to the man in the mirror
when they smash windows and denounce Fascism/racism.

> As I said, it will scare the crap out of you.

Not hardly, I'm quite used to it.
More concerning to me is the notion that 
Americans are at once spoiled -and- greedy.
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        Trumped│anon@anonymous_com  73dd6e880d2311e7681de516674e8fca@dizum.com
      default│default@defaulter_net  hn7lded1v88evuj1frg33o40055b2hdm13@4ax.com
    T│T@invalid_invalid  qbe8fv$mf3$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.14--4.34am.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Privacy.Anon-Server, Misc.Phone.Mobile.Iphone, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10
    ╱ 1  m2 Shifty; 5.7 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤X11, Eternal-September.ORG,  May 14 {  4:23am, 2019 }:42^(-7)  Xʌɱფ
      Left Wing Regressives.

Someone mentioned:
> Left Wing loonie fruits (Regressives).

" Left Wing Regressives ", ha ! I'm going to steal that term.
■
      .  52722525-dd22-4c2e-ad47-6e2fdf322a62@googlegroups.com
    Kensi  qbdh0i$13t7$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.13--10.46pm.Seattle.2019
  Rec.Arts.TV, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m75 Top; 38.7 Minutes, NewsTap➤iPad, Aioe.ORG,  May 13 {  9:42pm, 2019 }:48^(2)  Xʌlm
      A nuked-up Mexico ?

Kensi wrote:
> Is Trump about to provoke Mexico into an arms race

I'm trying to picture a nuked-up Mexico, but I can't.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.13--3.33pm.Seattle.2019
            SteveCarroll  d4336947-4b14-453e-b407-26f6f2a6aa2f@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.13--4.36pm.Seattle.2019
        SteveCarroll  f974ba60-4aff-4f77-9eae-a7694182885b@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.13--5.31pm.Seattle.2019
    SteveCarroll  c784cd00-1066-4399-9e1e-e5a3e4f7a499@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.13--7.19pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, News.Software.Readers, Alt.Free.Newsservers
    ╱ 5  m349 Mad; 28.5 Minutes, GoogleG,  May 13 {  5:40pm, 2019 }: 3^(PDT)  Xʌ6ϱ
      Asking Mozilla for permission to write decent code.

SteveCarroll replied ( to me ):
> > Actually, I'm happy with the current version of Firefox,
> > even though they forced me to rewrite my extensions;
> > it's time-consuming, but fun.
> 
> How many have you written?

I copied three extensions, from others,
and turned them into four, modified.

One of my extensions calls my X.EXE "console",
to download videos, thus replacing "4kvideodownloader.EXE"
and "YouTube-DL-GUI.EXE"; mine works better and is more convenient.

Another one makes left-click open links in a new tab;
and it lets me blacklist certain domains, so they don't get modified.

Thanks to JavaScript, different (sub)domains act differently;
"News.Google.COM", "Groups.Google.COM", "Google.COM", "YouTube.COM",
and "VoIP.MS" all work differently, requiring different code.

This is why TabMixPlus hasn't been released yet,
two years after Mozilla stomped on it; I gave the author 20$,
because he's willing to wrestle with the Mozilla morons,
asking for permission to write decent code.

One of my extensions makes it easy to open a page|link
in Google Chrome ( in case one of my hacks goes wrong ).

Also, I cleaned-up NoScript's PopUp, so it's easier to use; to wit:

  Jeff-Relf.Me/Firefox_NoScript.PNG

> > My rooming-house-manager job is the opposite:
> > lots of free time, no fun.
> 
> I can see that... save for having large-breasted
> beasts enter your humble abode ;)

Loose girls bring too much traffic+trouble into the house;
mature women are better than pajama boys.

A number of my tenants lost their jobs recently;
some are depressed and addicted to substances;
worst are those who won't pay, nor move out, 
nor do anything I ask of them.

America is a " Rat Utopia ";
we've learned to not give a shit, to not work|breed.

I'm just tired of it.
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Jeff-Relf.Me@May.13--5.43pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 15  m344 Mad; 9 Hours, GoogleG,  May 13 {  7:51am, 2019 }:39^(PDT)  XʋКτ
      Snit knows he's wrong; hence his lies and Google-blocking SpamBot.

Snit knows he's wrong; hence his lies and Google-blocking SpamBot.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.13--5.18am.Seattle.2019
            SteveCarroll  fc90acc3-32d1-410d-8799-ec4f872dee2c@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.13--3.33pm.Seattle.2019
        SteveCarroll  d4336947-4b14-453e-b407-26f6f2a6aa2f@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.13--4.36pm.Seattle.2019
    SteveCarroll  f974ba60-4aff-4f77-9eae-a7694182885b@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.13--5.31pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, News.Software.Readers, Alt.Free.Newsservers
    ╱ 18  m344 Mad; 2.1 Minutes, GoogleG,  May 13 {  4:49pm, 2019 }:16^(PDT)  XʋჴɄ
      The browser market is kind of a monopoly.

Steve Carroll quoted Firefox saying:
> This installation of &brandShortName; has a new profile.
>  
> It does not share bookmarks, passwords, and 
> user preferences with other installations of Firefox 
> (including Firefox, Firefox ESR, Firefox Beta, 
> Firefox Developer Edition, and Firefox Nightly).  
> 
> To sync information you’ve already saved to Firefox 
> with this installation of &brandShortName;, sign in 
> with your &syncBrand.fxAccount.label;.  

The browser market is kind of a monopoly, or duopoly;
you can't just buy a better browser,
so they take advantage of you.

I'm actually quite happy with the current version of Firefox,
even though they forced me to rewrite my extensions;
it's time-consuming, but fun.

My rooming-house-manager job is the opposite:
lots of free time, no fun.
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          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.13--5.18am.Seattle.2019
        SteveCarroll  fc90acc3-32d1-410d-8799-ec4f872dee2c@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.13--3.33pm.Seattle.2019
    SteveCarroll  d4336947-4b14-453e-b407-26f6f2a6aa2f@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.13--4.36pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 21  m343 Mad; 38.7 Minutes, GoogleG,  May 13 {  3:46pm, 2019 }:45^(PDT)  XʋჩЫ
      Quantum's "developer" edition.

Steve Carroll:
> I didn't realize Mozilla limited tweaking to just Quantum, 

"Quantum" (Firefox 57+), normal edition, will NOT run my extensions;
for that, you need Quantum's "developer" edition.
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            MsNadegda  qbag57$clj$21@dont-email.me
          Just_Wondering│JW@jw_com  %w7CE.36096$s85.17953@fx34.iad
        MsNadegda  qbb3o0$clj$24@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.13--4.39am.Seattle.2019
    MsNadegda  qbclkb$clj$34@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.13--4.09pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 4  m101 Cool; 29.5 Minutes, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  May 13 {  1:55pm, 2019 }:39  Xʋთɣ
      Is Nadegda going to blue-eyed Finland ?

Ms Nadegda: > <rechecks bug-out kit>

Are you going to blue-eyed Finland,
to be at the feet of your mistress ?
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              Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37413f9cc7bb06da997187@news.altopia.com
            Kensi  qb89ne$1ofv$1@gioia.aioe.org
          ScottDoty  gjpr96Ff2elU1@mid.individual.net
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.12--0.23am.Seattle.2019
      MsNadegda  qb9s57$clj$17@dont-email.me
    MsNadegda  qbckt2$clj$32@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.13--4.01pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 5  m101 Cool; 41.9 Minutes, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  May 13 {  1:43pm, 2019 }:14  Xʋვɀ
      One doesn't have to be gay to think Kavanaugh is sexier than Ford.

Likely, you ( Ms Nadegda ) think Lady Gaga ( in " a Star is Born " )
is sexier than me; that doesn't make you a lesbian, right ?!

Likewise, one doesn't have to be gay to think Kavanaugh is sexier than Ford.
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        MsNadegda  qbalp3$clj$23@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.13--4.15am.Seattle.2019
    MsNadegda  qbcke5$clj$30@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.13--3.53pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 6  m101 Cool; 49.8 Minutes, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  May 13 {  1:35pm, 2019 }:17  Xʋდы
      Ford was an estrogen-poisoned sorority girl-cum-hag.

Ms Nadegda replied ( to me ):
> > "Rapepublicans" ?  Your Apocalypse-cult hysteria
> > is out of bounds; I have no desire to rape.
> 
> But you support those who do.  Kavanaugh, for one.

Kavanaugh may have been a testosterone-poisoned frat boy,
but that doesn't negate the fact that 
Ford was an estrogen-poisoned sorority girl-cum-hag.
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      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.13--5.18am.Seattle.2019
    SteveCarroll  fc90acc3-32d1-410d-8799-ec4f872dee2c@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.13--3.33pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, News.Software.Readers, Alt.Free.Newsservers
    ╱ 24  m340 Mad; 7.3 Hours, GoogleG,  May 13 {  7: 4am, 2019 }:14^(PDT)  XʋВϼ
      To run on the normal edition, extensions must pass review.

Steve Carroll replied ( to me ):
> > I'm getting good at writing extensions.
> 
> <thumbs up>

Thanks, I'm glad someone appreciates it.

Sometimes, it's so easy/fun for me, I tend to it
like a woman knitting in front of a soap opera.

Besides the JavaScript extensions, I "inspect" and modify
"userChrome.CSS" ( Firefox's toolbars, bookmarks, etc. ),
and "userContent.CSS" ( site-specific CSS including:

  url(moz-extension://b5cbc727-0b97-4487-8c76-0aa0fb99f1b7/ui/popup.html)
  url(about:addons)  url(about:preferences)   )

> > To create extensions, you need "Node.JS";
> 
> It helps ;)

Oops, you got me; I was wrong.

" Zip -r ..\Jeff@Relf.XPI * " works almost as well as
Node.JS' " web-ext build ";  I just wanted to see 
if there might be some other "magic" to it
( it spits warnings|errors, like a compiler ).

> > you can't install extensions on anything but
> > the "Developer" edition of "Quantum" Firefox.
> 
> When did that happen?

Two years ago, 2017, with "quantum" Firefox 57;
to run on the normal edition, it must pass review. 

Please correct me, if I'm wrong.
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Jeff-Relf.Me@May.13--5.18am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, News.Software.Readers, Alt.Free.Newsservers
      I'm getting good at writing extensions.

With Mozilla disabling my two-year-old extensions,
and no replacements in sight, I had to (re)write 4 extensions,
to make them work properly for me.

To create extensions, you need "Node.JS";
and you can't install them on anything but
the "Developer" edition of "Quantum" Firefox.

"Quantum" is a euphemism for (random) "bullshit".

On the on the bright side, 
I'm getting good at writing extensions.
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        MsNadegda  qbajam$clj$22@dont-email.me
      The_Milk_of_Human_Kindness│a@b_  8knhde5trpboju1ohr036265grl3baht1c@4ax.com
    MsNadegda  qbb40i$clj$26@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.13--5.00am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 3  m109 Cool; 1.6 Hours, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  May 12 { 11:48pm, 2019 }:51  XʋΝp
      The best and the brightest flee NadegdaStyle oppression.

Bored out of her mind, Ms Nadegda dreamed:
> We've become Weimar Germany, 1930, folks.
> Soon, your ilk will try to seize power with the intention of 
> unleashing horror, and we will have to stop you.  With force.

Hitler was jealous of the super rich, intelligent Jews of his day;
consequently, the Deutsche Mark became worthless.

Same thing happened more recently, in Venezuela;
the best and the brightest flee NadegdaStyle oppression,
where governments steal wholesale, 
giving back just enough to keep their "cows" alive.
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        MsNadegda  qbag57$clj$21@dont-email.me
      Just_Wondering│JW@jw_com  %w7CE.36096$s85.17953@fx34.iad
    MsNadegda  qbb3o0$clj$24@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.13--4.39am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 5  m109 Cool; 1.7 Hours, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  May 12 { 11:44pm, 2019 }:16  XʋΜʈ
      The world isn't not ending.

Ms Nadegda hopes:
> Trump will plow the economy straight into a mountainside
> at Mach 0.8 SOMETIME IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS.  <snicker>

Get back to work, Nadegda, the world isn't ending; last 100 years,
America has recovered nicely from downturns, as has Trump.

But you won't, because you're too "fat" (rich), and to worried 
that others might be "fatter" (richer) than you.
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              MsNadegda  qb9vaq$clj$20@dont-email.me
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          TheSnitBot  gjroc5FrulnU1@mid.individual.net
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      TheSnitBot  gjs2s3Ftvd3U2@mid.individual.net
    MsNadegda  qbalp3$clj$23@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.13--4.15am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 6  m109 Cool; 5.7 Hours, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  May 12 {  7:45pm, 2019 }:55  Xʋʓϛ
      "Cows" like Ms Nadegda.

Ms Nadegda cackled:
> Rapepublicans are now hostile not only to democracy, 
> but even to the rule of law itself.
> We're dealing with medievalism here!

"Rapepublicans" ?  Your Apocalypse-cult hysteria is out of bounds;
I have no desire to rape.  Democrats steal wholesale,
giving back just enough to keep "cows" ( like you ) alive.

Now, ride off on your broom.
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              MsNadegda  qb7o71$clj$11@dont-email.me
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.11--5.29pm.Seattle.2019
          Kensi  qb85ft$18cg$2@gioia.aioe.org
        Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37413f9cc7bb06da997187@news.altopia.com
      Kensi  qb89ne$1ofv$1@gioia.aioe.org
    ScottDoty  gjpr96Ff2elU1@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.12--0.23am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 1  m90 Top; 1.2 Hours, Pan, Individual.NET,  May 11 { 11: 3pm, 2019 }:18  XʊкΨ
      Autistics Scott Doty, Kensi and Nadegda.

The autism is strong in these ones ( Scott Doty, Kensi and Nadegda ).

Ms Nadegda said her "peeled cucumber" is sexier than me;
and I said Kavanaugh is sexier than Ford.

It's relative; it does not mean that Nadegda is doing cucumbers,
nor does it mean that I'm doing Kavanaugh.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.10--5.20pm.Seattle.2019
            Kensi  qb5h6m$1m0o$3@gioia.aioe.org
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.10--9.23pm.Seattle.2019
        MsNadegda  qb7fn8$clj$4@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.11--4.15pm.Seattle.2019
    MsNadegda  qb7o71$clj$11@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.11--5.29pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    +-, 13.4 Minutes, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  May 11 {  5: 9pm, 2019 }: 5  XʊϡΚ
      Nadegda the cucumber fucker.

Ms Nadegda told me:
> I think a peeled cucumber is sexier than you, so ...

By your logic, that makes you a cucumber fucker.

Kavanaugh is sexier than Ford; I'm not a Kavanaugh fucker.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.10--4.29pm.Seattle.2019
            Kensi  qb5haq$1m0o$4@gioia.aioe.org
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.10--9.18pm.Seattle.2019
        Kensi  qb5ih4$1srk$1@gioia.aioe.org
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.10--9.53pm.Seattle.2019
    MsNadegda  qb7ftc$clj$5@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.11--4.18pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 6  m95 Cool; 28.3 Minutes, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  May 11 {  2:47pm, 2019 }:24  Xʊςგ
      MsNadegda's Delusions of Grandeur.

Ms Nadegda told me:
> the cabal might permit you to post to Usenet again. Might.

Delusions of grandeur noted.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.10--4.38pm.Seattle.2019
            Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  uc4cdeli8qstkvup45pph85uuasd39ck7l@4ax.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.10--5.20pm.Seattle.2019
        Kensi  qb5h6m$1m0o$3@gioia.aioe.org
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.10--9.23pm.Seattle.2019
    MsNadegda  qb7fn8$clj$4@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.11--4.15pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 7  m95 Cool; 31.6 Minutes, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  May 11 {  2:44pm, 2019 }: 8  Xʊςʀ
      Is Nadegda lesbian if she thinks ssSniperWolf is sexier than me ?

Ms Nadegda replied ( to me ):
> > > > Kavanaugh is sexy, Ford is a toxic shit-rag.
> > 
> > I'm MGTOW; not incel, not gay.
> 
> You found Kavanaugh sexier than Ford. 

Right, because he is.

> Unless you're a straight woman, that means you're gay.

I don't fuck men, I don't kiss men, nor do I want to.

Are you lesbian if you think ssSniperWolf is sexier than me ?

  " SPOILED Girl Thinks She Can BUY ANYTHING " by ssSniperWolf
  YouTube.COM/watch?v=osZjBqsorQU
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            .  4c776ff0-7d2d-4b68-8e0d-a49b748c9a03@googlegroups.com
          .  80be1022-50e6-4f65-8493-4124630aef0b@googlegroups.com
        Thomas_PointedEars_Lahn│  b0f11fff-eb40-96a2-decf-d5840cdd2b4a@PointedEars.de
      .  27b1d459-9681-4320-b858-60c165aef57d@googlegroups.com
    Thomas_PointedEars_Lahn│  3a3bea57-59a7-ff2b-b0e1-91e1a82aa1c2@PointedEars.de
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.10--10.31pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 3  m42 Cool; 8.1 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤X11, Home.Meteotest.CH➤Bgeserver.DE,  May 10 {  2:14pm, 2019 }:26^(2)  Xʉლʒ
      Thomas Lahn is autistic, he doesn't understand social cues.

Thomas Lahn is autistic, he doesn't understand social cues.

He can't stop "rick" from posting to USENET,
there are simply too many ways in.

What's more, he quotes Rick like I quote Einstein,
which tells you where his mind is at.

NewsGroups are not Wikipedia pages.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.10--4.38pm.Seattle.2019
            Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  uc4cdeli8qstkvup45pph85uuasd39ck7l@4ax.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.10--5.20pm.Seattle.2019
        Kensi  qb5h6m$1m0o$3@gioia.aioe.org
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.10--9.23pm.Seattle.2019
    ！Sir_Greg  5P-dndWLubHq00vBnZ2dnUU7-cHNnZ2d@giganews.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.10--10.08pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 1  m70 Dropped; 15.5 Minutes, 2550_25!_LOL!_https:∥www_, Giganews.COM,  May 10 {  9:24pm, 2019 }:23^(-5)  XʊiN
      I have no guns, nor anger.

AnAnonymousCreep replied ( to me ):
> > I'm MGTOW; not incel, not gay.
> > Now, fly off on your broom.
> 
> you can have a nice life patting yourself on the back
> and knowing that you're better then everybody...

....he said, looking in the mirror, gulping another Vente espresso.

> I hope you don't have guns.

I'm extremely happy, you should not be worried about me. 
I have no guns, nor anger.

Now, lay off the caffeine.
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              Avenging_Angel│Not_fucking_  XnsAA4B47A1A420Cgreyghost471bazinga@144.76.35.198
            MsNadegda  qb4j24$cth$64@dont-email.me
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.10--4.29pm.Seattle.2019
        Kensi  qb5haq$1m0o$4@gioia.aioe.org
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.10--9.18pm.Seattle.2019
    Kensi  qb5ih4$1srk$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.10--9.53pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 1  m79 Top; 20.2 Minutes, NewsTap➤iPad, Aioe.ORG,  May 10 {  9:19pm, 2019 }:41^(2)  Xʊhɥ
      Google: Divorce Rates.

Kensi cackled ( to me ):
> > Democrats, including pajama boys and metrosexuals,
> > can't get divorced because they've never been married.
> 
> I'm a dipshit; so I imagine that 
> " Divorce Rates " are a percentage of marriages.

Google: Divorce Rates.

  " Crude divorce rate. 
    This is divorces per 1,000 population per year. "

Without marriage, there is no divorce.
This is yet another one of your red herrings,
like " income inequality" ( in a world of plenty ).

2018, South Korea had the lowest fertility rate ( 0.98 births / woman ).
The poorest and most rural parts of Africa have the highest.

Now, fly off on your broom.
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              Avenging_Angel│Not_fucking_  XnsAA4A43AFCC0EBgreyghost471bazinga@144.76.35.198
            MsNadegda  qb1vm5$cth$50@dont-email.me
          Avenging_Angel│Not_fucking_  XnsAA4B4D2CA4E43greyghost471bazinga@144.76.35.198
        MsNadegda  qb4id5$cth$61@dont-email.me
      Avenging_Angel│Not_fucking_  XnsAA4BB6E155CC0greyghost471bazinga@144.76.35.198
    Kensi  qb5ftm$1h6r$2@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.10--9.36pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Talk.Politics.Guns, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 3  m78 Top; 35 Minutes, NewsTap➤iPad, Aioe.ORG,  May 10 {  8:35pm, 2019 }:11^(2)  XʊZх
      56 million years ago (@PETM), the Arctic was tropical, not icy.

Kensi replied ( to her superior ):
> > Honey you need professional help.  You are completely deluded.
> > The world is not ending.  Weather changes.  All the time.
> > For 4.5 billion years.
> 
> Not like this. The only time it even came close before 
> was the PETM, 55 million years or so ago.

56 million years ago (@PETM), the Arctic was tropical, not icy;
then and there, we primates first appeared.  3 million years later,
we were most everywhere.  22 million years later, the poles froze.

4.5 billion years ago, the surface of earth was molten.
13.8 billion years ago, The Known Universe was infinitely hot / dense.
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    Kensi  qb5eo2$1e86$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.10--9.31pm.Seattle.2019
  Talk.Politics.Guns, Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 5  m78 Top; 55.1 Minutes, NewsTap➤iPad, Aioe.ORG,  May 10 {  8:15pm, 2019 }: 7^(2)  XʊWΜ
      Pop open the champagne corks.

Pop open the champagne corks:
> Greenland Is Now Losing Ice Six Times Faster Than It Was in 1980
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              MsNadegda  qb4j24$cth$64@dont-email.me
            Avenging_Angel│Not_fucking_  XnsAA4BB64806F5Egreyghost471bazinga@144.76.35.198
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.10--4.38pm.Seattle.2019
        Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  uc4cdeli8qstkvup45pph85uuasd39ck7l@4ax.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.10--5.20pm.Seattle.2019
    Kensi  qb5h6m$1m0o$3@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.10--9.23pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╳ 7  m78 Top; 13.2 Minutes, NewsTap➤iPad, Aioe.ORG,  May 10 {  8:57pm, 2019 }: 3^(2)  XʊdΘ
      I'm MGTOW; not incel, not gay.

Kensi cackled ( to me ):
> > Kavanaugh is sexy, Ford is a toxic shit-rag.
> 
> But if you're gay, why the hell are you a conservative ?

I'm MGTOW; not incel, not gay.

Now, fly off on your broom.
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              Avenging_Angel│Not_fucking_  XnsAA4A4A6AB6CF1greyghost471bazinga@144.76.35.198
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.9--4.32am.Seattle.2019
          Avenging_Angel│Not_fucking_  XnsAA4B47A1A420Cgreyghost471bazinga@144.76.35.198
        MsNadegda  qb4j24$cth$64@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.10--4.29pm.Seattle.2019
    Kensi  qb5haq$1m0o$4@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.10--9.18pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 6  m78 Top; 11 Minutes, NewsTap➤iPad, Aioe.ORG,  May 10 {  8:59pm, 2019 }:16^(2)  Xʊdъ
      We've learned to not give a shit.

Kensi replied ( to me ):
> > " Republicans are more likely to be stably and happily married
> >    than Democrats " -- Nancy Flory, December 6, 2018
> 
> Nancy Flory is wrong:
>   Who-do-conservatives-blame-for-the-high-divorce-rates-in-red-states

Democrats, including pajama boys and metrosexuals,
can't get divorced because they've never been married. 

America is a " Rat Utopia ";
we've learned to not give a shit, to not work|breed.

In a world of plenty, 
the Democrats' " income inequality " mantra is a red Herring.
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    JohnGohde  82f43eb3-d7d5-45b6-9626-3a35a641af84@googlegroups.COM
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.10--9.02pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, News.Software.Readers, Alt.Free.Newsservers, Comp.Lang.C++
    -Dropped, 1.3 Days, GoogleG, 72.84.209.122,  May  9 {   :56pm, 2019 }:28^(PDT)  Xʉɍʔ
      A "Quantum" is so TINY, photons push it around, randomly.

John Gohde wrote:
> FoxFire has pretty much stopped working

Mozilla remotely disabled my Firefox 56 (2017) extensions !
So I'm customizing the latest version of Firefox, "Quantum"
( a "Quantum" is so TINY, photons push it around, randomly ).

When my hacks go wrong, because Quantum doesn't want "hackers" (people)
tampering with their precious product ( blocking their ad revenue ), 
I use either "-safe-mode" ( the command line switch ) or Google Chrome.

Getting everything to open in a new tab is VERY difficult;
" Tab Mix Plus " doesn't work anymore, thanks to TINY Quantum; 
so I'm using the (flaky) "Open In New Tab" extension on 
" *YouTube.COM " and " *Google.COM ".

While I enjoy "hacking", it's time consuming, and I sometimes give up;
if you have less experience than me, as most do, you'll give up sooner.

> YouTube Downloader plugin still works in Ubuntu,
> I mainly use YouTube in Ubuntu Mate for watching full length movies.
> 
> now that I have gotten the Kodi Media Center to work with video add-ons,
> there is little need to download anything.

Using my custom console, "X.EXE", I run:

  /__/EXEs/YouTube-DL  --embed-subs  --write-auto-sub --no-playlist
    --buffer-size 222k  -f "bestvideo[height<=720]+bestaudio/best"
    -o "../MKV/-- YouTube Recent/%(title)s -- %(id)s  .%(ext)s"
    YouTube.COM/watch?v=diPrOl4QZ_E

" YouTube-DL ", which works on hundreds of sites, outputs:

  WARNING: The url doesn't specify the protocol, trying with http
  [YouTube] diPrOl4QZ_E: Downloading webpage
  [YouTube] diPrOl4QZ_E: Downloading video info webpage
  [YouTube] Downloading just video diPrOl4QZ_E because of --no-playlist
  [YouTube] diPrOl4QZ_E: Looking for automatic captions
  [info] Writing video subtitles to: ..\MKV\-- YouTube Recent\Ten of the Most Influential Philosophers of the Twentieth Century & What They Believed -- diPrOl4QZ_E  .en.vtt
  [download] 100% of 79.69MiB in 00:31                 
  [download] 100% of 12.71MiB in 00:05                 
  [ffmpeg] Merging formats into "..\MKV\-- YouTube Recent\Ten of the Most Influential Philosophers of the Twentieth Century & What They Believed -- diPrOl4QZ_E  .mp4"
  Deleting original file ..\MKV\-- YouTube Recent\Ten of the Most Influential Philosophers of the Twentieth Century & What They Believed -- diPrOl4QZ_E  .f136.mp4 (pass -k to keep)
  Deleting original file ..\MKV\-- YouTube Recent\Ten of the Most Influential Philosophers of the Twentieth Century & What They Believed -- diPrOl4QZ_E  .f140.m4a (pass -k to keep)
  [ffmpeg] Embedding subtitles in '..\MKV\-- YouTube Recent\Ten of the Most Influential Philosophers of the Twentieth Century & What They Believed -- diPrOl4QZ_E  .mp4'
  Deleting original file ..\MKV\-- YouTube Recent\Ten of the Most Influential Philosophers of the Twentieth Century & What They Believed -- diPrOl4QZ_E  .en.vtt (pass -k to keep)

From " X.CPP " in " Jeff-Relf.Me/X.ZIP ":

  //  "fnVid" ( YouTube.COM/watch?v=diPrOl4QZ_E ) 
  //  comes from the command line ( sent from a YouTube page ) 
  //  -- or from the clipboard, when the "Vid" button is hit.
  //  
  //  In Firefox, I right-click a video link ( in YouTube ) 
  //  and select " Open in IE " so "X.EXE" downloads it.
  //  
  //  The " [download] 100% of 12.71MiB in 00:05 " line
  //  continually updates ( CreatePipe() ), as "YouTube-DL" runs.

  GetVideo() { LnP  B, P = fnVid, E = 0, Command_Line = _T ;  

    SECURITY_ATTRIBUTES Inherit = { sizeof( SECURITY_ATTRIBUTES ) };
    ClearScreen, Inherit.bInheritHandle = 1 ;  

    //  Strip off leading+trailing crap from a USENET post:
    LoopP( White || Ch == '<' || Ch == '>' );
    fnVid = B = Loc( L"://", P ) ? P_Find + LenPat : P ;
    LoopBacP( White || Ch == '>' );  

    //  In my custom console, Sh() is printf().
    P[1] = 0, Sh( L"\n--%s--\n\n%s\n\n", fnVid, gVideo );
    Str( Command_Line, L"%s  %s", gVideo, fnVid );

    PROCESS_INFORMATION Stat = {};  
    STARTUPINFO SU ={ sizeof( STARTUPINFO ) };
    SU.dwFlags = STARTF_USESTDHANDLES | STARTF_USESHOWWINDOW;

    SU.wShowWindow = SW_HIDE ;  static  HANDLE  r, w ;
    CreatePipe( &r, &w, &Inherit, 0 );
    SetHandleInformation( r, HANDLE_FLAG_INHERIT, 0 ); 

    SU.hStdOutput = SU.hStdError = w ; 
    SU.hStdInput = GetStdHandle( STD_INPUT_HANDLE ) ;
    if ( !CreateProcess( 0, Command_Line, 0,0,1,0,0,0, &SU , &Stat ) ) {

      Sh( L"[ %s ] failed to run.", Command_Line );  
      CloseHandle( SU.hStdOutput );  goto  EoStream ;  }

    else { 

      CloseHandle( w );  //  <== a vital, CRITICAL, TRICK !!! 
      int  EoStream = 0 ;

      while ( Nap(), !EoStream && WaitForSingleObject( Stat.hThread, 0 )
        && ( _Sz = 0, _B = _LnP( _B_Sh ),

        //   ReadFile() hangs if you call it when "EoStream" is true.
        EoStream = !ReadFile( r, _B, mxBytesSh, (ulong *)&_Sz, 0 )
        || !_Sz, _Sz ) )  

            _E = _B + _Sz, _E[ -1*( _E[-1] == 10 ) ] = 0,
            *_B == 13 ? _B++, Ln.PP-- : 0, Sh( L"%S", _B );

      CloseHandle( Stat.hProcess ), CloseHandle( Stat.hThread );  }

   EoStream:
       //  Append the results to my "╲╱.TXT" file:
       Sh( Sep ), MsgOnTop = 1, SaveShowReport( L"╲╱" );

       if ( CloseHandle( r ), OneNDone )

         WinProc( Win, WM_SYSCOMMAND, SC_CLOSE, 0 );  }
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    Tattoo_Vampire│sitting@this_  ord9det2kgihqfsblotrg9ref1ekk3fu5d@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.10--5.51pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 14  m24 Cool; 1 Days, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  May  9 {  4:28pm, 2019 }:29^(-4)  XʉɲЛ
      Mozilla remotely disabled my Firefox 56 (2017) extensions !

Tattoo Vampire asked:
> any decent newsreaders for Mac ?

There's nothing I enjoy more than customizing my own personal newsreader,
that I wrote all by myself, and customizing Mozilla Firefox and Visual Studio.

Otherwise, you must settle for less.  Mozilla Thunderbird ?

Mozilla remotely disabled my Firefox 56 (2017) extensions !
So I'm customizing the latest version of "Quantum" Firefox.

When things go wrong, because Mozilla doesn't want "hackers" (people)
tampering with their precious product ( blocking their ad revenue ), 
I use either "-safe-mode" ( the command line switch ) or Google Chrome.

While I enjoy "hacking", it's time consuming, and I sometimes give up;
if you have less experience than me, as most do, you'll give up sooner.
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              Avenging_Angel│Not_fucking_  XnsAA4A43AFCC0EBgreyghost471bazinga@144.76.35.198
            MsNadegda  qb1vm5$cth$50@dont-email.me
          Avenging_Angel│Not_fucking_  XnsAA4B4D2CA4E43greyghost471bazinga@144.76.35.198
        MsNadegda  qb4id5$cth$61@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.10--4.58pm.Seattle.2019
    Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  qt4cdeh11or1bg5690jl88ipb4cddm48ja@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.10--5.25pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Talk.Politics.Guns, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m110 Dropped; 2.7 Minutes, F_Agent, Alt.NET,  May 10 {  5:15pm, 2019 }:28^(-4)  Xʊ2ι
      Don't worry about Feminists, they're doing fine.

Greg replied ( to me ):
> > Feminists are unfuckable.
> 
> Let the misandrists suffer all alone with their sex toys.

Don't worry about them, they're doing fine.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.9--4.32am.Seattle.2019
            Avenging_Angel│Not_fucking_  XnsAA4B47A1A420Cgreyghost471bazinga@144.76.35.198
          MsNadegda  qb4j24$cth$64@dont-email.me
        Avenging_Angel│Not_fucking_  XnsAA4BB64806F5Egreyghost471bazinga@144.76.35.198
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.10--4.38pm.Seattle.2019
    Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  uc4cdeli8qstkvup45pph85uuasd39ck7l@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.10--5.20pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 2  m110 Dropped; 12.9 Minutes, F_Agent, Alt.NET,  May 10 {  5: 5pm, 2019 }:17^(-4)  Xʊ0ы
      Kavanaugh is sexy, Ford is a toxic shit-rag.

Sorry, Greg, I meant to say:
> Kavanaugh is sexy, Ford is a toxic shit-rag.
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              Siri_Cruise│chine_bleu@yahoo_  chine.bleu-EDC757.07273506052019@reader.eternal-september.org
            Klaus_Schadenfreude│  7jh0de14gppeatce6s5a553694duukp40c@4ax.com
          MrChrisV  num0del4708dat1q1q516lto70acf947jh@4ax.com
        Avenging_Angel│Not_fucking_  XnsAA4A44E269AF7greyghost471bazinga@144.76.35.198
      MrChrisV  i368deh616ue1a6niq6aqg5rfp3p6unpu1@4ax.com
    Avenging_Angel│Not_fucking_  XnsAA4B48D85F895greyghost471bazinga@144.76.35.198
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.10--5.12pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    +-, 12.9 Hours, Xnews, Eternal-September.ORG,  May 10 {  4: 9am, 2019 }:40  Xʉϗυ
      Germany was defeated by the very Jews they expelled.

Avenging Angel:
> Hitler had his reasons for hating Jews.

No, it was jealousy; Hitler was like Hugo Chavez, in Venezuela.
Always, " eat the rich " ends in hyperinflation; 
the smartest, richest and best leave the country.

Germany was defeated by the very Jews they expelled.
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              Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.373a992d706b50019970c9@news.altopia.com
            Kensi  qatj3p$5df$2@gioia.aioe.org
          Avenging_Angel│Not_fucking_  XnsAA4A43AFCC0EBgreyghost471bazinga@144.76.35.198
        MsNadegda  qb1vm5$cth$50@dont-email.me
      Avenging_Angel│Not_fucking_  XnsAA4B4D2CA4E43greyghost471bazinga@144.76.35.198
    MsNadegda  qb4id5$cth$61@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.10--4.58pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Talk.Politics.Guns, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 3  m88 Cool; 3.7 Hours, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  May 10 {   :11pm, 2019 }:34  Xʉхნ
      Feminists are unfuckable.

Ms Nadegda replied ( to Avenging Angel ):
> > Ain't no man gonna fuck you, Ms Nadegda.
> 
> virulent misogyny.

Feminists are unfuckable.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.6--10.17pm.Seattle.2019
            Avenging_Angel│Not_fucking_  XnsAA4A4A6AB6CF1greyghost471bazinga@144.76.35.198
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.9--4.32am.Seattle.2019
        Avenging_Angel│Not_fucking_  XnsAA4B47A1A420Cgreyghost471bazinga@144.76.35.198
      MsNadegda  qb4j24$cth$64@dont-email.me
    Avenging_Angel│Not_fucking_  XnsAA4BB64806F5Egreyghost471bazinga@144.76.35.198
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.10--4.38pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 14  m57 Cool; 56.2 Minutes, Xnews, Eternal-September.ORG,  May 10 {  2:55pm, 2019 }: 9  XʉსȻ
      Ford is sexy, Kavanaugh is a toxic shit-rag.

Avenging_Angel:
> I wouldn't date a lib, they're too angry.
> I'm too old for that shit.

Nothing is uglier than a feminist.

Ford is sexy, Kavanaugh is a toxic shit-rag.
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              MsNadegda  qaqr0t$cth$28@dont-email.me
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.6--10.17pm.Seattle.2019
          Avenging_Angel│Not_fucking_  XnsAA4A4A6AB6CF1greyghost471bazinga@144.76.35.198
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.9--4.32am.Seattle.2019
      Avenging_Angel│Not_fucking_  XnsAA4B47A1A420Cgreyghost471bazinga@144.76.35.198
    MsNadegda  qb4j24$cth$64@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.10--4.29pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 8  m88 Cool; 3.5 Hours, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  May 10 {   :22pm, 2019 }:44  XʉчЪ
      Rich Americans aren't interested in marriage+kids.

Ms Nadegda replied ( to Avenging Angel ):
> conservatives-are-whining-because-no-one-wants-to-date-them

That's because rich Americans aren't interested in marriage+kids;
if you have any brains, you're MGTOW ( not incel ).

" Republicans are more likely to be stably and happily married
  than Democrats " -- Nancy Flory, December 6, 2018
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              Kensi  qap1ms$1dg0$10@gioia.aioe.org
            Avenging_Angel│Not_fucking_  XnsAA4745D6E1C49greyghost471bazinga@144.76.35.198
          Siri_Cruise│chine_bleu@yahoo_  chine.bleu-EDC757.07273506052019@reader.eternal-september.org
        Klaus_Schadenfreude│  7jh0de14gppeatce6s5a553694duukp40c@4ax.com
      Siri_Cruise│chine_bleu@yahoo_  chine.bleu-031B32.08152506052019@reader.eternal-september.org
    Avenging_Angel│Not_fucking_  XnsAA4A45481CBFCgreyghost471bazinga@144.76.35.198
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.9--1.06pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 4  m42 Cool; 9.1 Hours, Xnews, Eternal-September.ORG,  May  9 {  3:48am, 2019 }:39  Xʈცd
      Pajama Boy.

<img Src="http://Jeff-Relf.Me/PajamaBoy.JPG" Alt="Pajama Boy">
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              Kensi  qap1ms$1dg0$10@gioia.aioe.org
            Avenging_Angel│Not_fucking_  XnsAA4745D6E1C49greyghost471bazinga@144.76.35.198
          Siri_Cruise│chine_bleu@yahoo_  chine.bleu-EDC757.07273506052019@reader.eternal-september.org
        Klaus_Schadenfreude│  7jh0de14gppeatce6s5a553694duukp40c@4ax.com
      MrChrisV  num0del4708dat1q1q516lto70acf947jh@4ax.com
    Avenging_Angel│Not_fucking_  XnsAA4A44E269AF7greyghost471bazinga@144.76.35.198
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.9--0.49pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 5  m42 Cool; 8.3 Hours, Xnews, Eternal-September.ORG,  May  9 {  3:46am, 2019 }:18  XʈჩА
      By law, only SmellyWalmartPeople are racist.

Avenging Angel replied ( to ChrisV ):
> > like so many right-wingers, you're a shitty person, deep down.
> 
> So you're a bigot who hates whole groups of people? What a turd.

By law, only SmellyWalmartPeople are racist.
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              TheSnitBot  gj8p74FohpjU4@mid.individual.net
            Avenging_Angel│Not_fucking_  XnsAA474346639AAgreyghost471bazinga@144.76.35.198
          Siri_Cruise│chine_bleu@yahoo_  chine.bleu-BB6768.07201606052019@reader.eternal-september.org
        TheSnitBot  gjav0nF8drsU2@mid.individual.net
      Klaus_Schadenfreude│  ou11de97uhgd2g0n10jf0ugmfcl2rfnhrg@4ax.com
    Avenging_Angel│Not_fucking_  XnsAA484C78DBA2Agreyghost471bazinga@144.76.35.198
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.9--0.38pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Talk.Politics.Guns, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 10  m42 Cool; 2.3 Days, Xnews, Eternal-September.ORG,  May  7 {  4:31am, 2019 }: 3  Xʇϛȵ
      " Eat the rich " ( the Democrats' mantra ).

I'm the poorest man here, bar none.

When TheSnitBot says I " worship the rich " he means: 
" Eat the rich " ( the Democrats' mantra ).

In Venezuela, the result of this philosophy is:

  Since 2015, 3 million people have left. 
  an estimated 5,000 people move to Colombia every day.

  Hyperinflation has wiped out life savings and diminished salaries.

  Food is scarce.  People queue outside supermarkets for hours
  to get rationed rice or a piece of meat.

  Lacking of medical supplies, people are dying.
  Blackouts have plunged the country into darkness.
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              Just_Wondering│JW@jw_com  Sa5AE.2594$h75.2172@fx41.iad
            TheSnitBot  gjc5kcFgg8sU2@mid.individual.net
          Just_Wondering│JW@jw_com  Mj9AE.1896$Kv5.687@fx45.iad
        TheSnitBot  gjdipmFpqa2U3@mid.individual.net
      Just_Wondering│JW@jw_com  xqnAE.2917$G85.784@fx38.iad
    MsNadegda  qatg1f$cth$37@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.9--0.20pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Talk.Politics.Guns, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 6  m71 Cool; 1.7 Days, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  May  7 {  7:48pm, 2019 }:15  XʈSF
      The government is a monopoly, you control 0.000000% of it.

Mr. Reality wrote:
> > SOCIALISM is about power, money, and exploiting others.

Fantasy replied:
> No, it's about the workers owning the means of production.

The government is a monopoly, you control 0.000000% of it.

The best you could do would be to rally everyone into an 
" eat the rich " frenzy, as Hugo Chavez did, in Venezuela.

  Since 2015, 3 million people have left Venezuela. 
  an estimated 5,000 people move to Colombia every day.

  Hyperinflation has wiped out life savings and diminished salaries.

  Food is scarce.  People queue outside supermarkets for hours
  to get rationed rice or a piece of meat.

  Lacking of medical supplies, people are dying.
  Blackouts have plunged the country into darkness.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.6--3.24pm.Seattle.2019
            ScottDoty  gjbvh2Fe1d6U4@mid.individual.net
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.6--5.33pm.Seattle.2019
        MsNadegda  qaqr0t$cth$28@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.6--10.17pm.Seattle.2019
    Avenging_Angel│Not_fucking_  XnsAA4A4A6AB6CF1greyghost471bazinga@144.76.35.198
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.9--4.32am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 13  m42 Cool; 3.3 Minutes, Xnews, Eternal-September.ORG,  May  9 {  4:18am, 2019 }:56  Xʈჯu
      You want me to work my ass off ?!

Avenging Angel replied ( to me ):
> > You ( Ms Nadegda ) continually fail to understand
> > the difference between an incel (Greg) and a MGTOW (me).
> 
> If you would move out of the shithole you call home
> you would find a worthy woman.

You want me to work my ass off ?! for a bitch ?

Sure, right after I chop off my dick.
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              TheSnitBot  gj8f6dFmdn1U2@mid.individual.net
            Avenging_Angel│Not_fucking_  XnsAA46924F6D2AAgreyghost471bazinga@144.76.35.198
          MsNadegda  qaniq3$cth$11@dont-email.me
        Kensi  qap0ke$1dg0$3@gioia.aioe.org
      Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.373a992d706b50019970c9@news.altopia.com
    Kensi  qatj3p$5df$2@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.9--3.59am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Talk.Politics.Guns, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 3  m69 Top; 1.3 Days, NewsTap➤iPad, Aioe.ORG,  May  7 {  8:40pm, 2019 }:38^(2)  XʈaФ
      " Eat the rich " worked well in Venezuela, didn't it ?

Kensi cackled:
> destroy white, hetero male privilege

" Eat the rich " worked well in Venezuela, didn't it ?

thejournal.ie/venezuela-crisis-migration-colombia-4612042-May2019/

  Three million people have left since 2015. 
  an estimated 5,000 people move to Colombia every day.

  Hyperinflation has wiped out life savings and diminished salaries.

  Food is scarce.  People queue outside supermarkets for hours
  to get rationed rice or a piece of meat.

  People are dying because of a lack of medical supplies.
  Blackouts have plunged the country into darkness.
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              Just_Wondering│JW@jw_com  Mj9AE.1896$Kv5.687@fx45.iad
            TheSnitBot  gjdipmFpqa2U3@mid.individual.net
          Just_Wondering│JW@jw_com  xqnAE.2917$G85.784@fx38.iad
        MsNadegda  qatg1f$cth$37@dont-email.me
      Just_Wondering│JW@jw_com  WXrAE.24376$Rg5.13544@fx33.iad
    Kensi  qatj26$5df$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.9--3.43am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Talk.Politics.Guns, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 4  m69 Top; 1.3 Days, NewsTap➤iPad, Aioe.ORG,  May  7 {  8:39pm, 2019 }:47^(2)  Xʈaϒ
      We know who our masters are.

Down on the plantation, we know who our masters are;
they're the ones with the guns.

Like a a house niggar, Kensi says they're nice people,
chosen by us, the people.  Nothing could be further from the truth.
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    Kensi  qatihg$390$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.9--3.29am.Seattle.2019
  Talk.Politics.Guns, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 6  m69 Top; 1.3 Days, NewsTap➤iPad, Aioe.ORG,  May  7 {  8:30pm, 2019 }:52^(2)  XʈZq
      Sane People Cheer Melting Sea Ice.

You (Kensi) mentioned:
> Trump Official Cheers Melting Sea Ice

He's sane, and you're not.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.6--3.24pm.Seattle.2019
            ScottDoty  gjbvh2Fe1d6U4@mid.individual.net
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.6--5.33pm.Seattle.2019
        MsNadegda  qaqr0t$cth$28@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.6--10.17pm.Seattle.2019
    MsNadegda  qaspn6$cth$34@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.9--2.55am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    +-, 5.5 Hours, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  May  7 {  1:27pm, 2019 }:18  XʇგΨ
      We've learned to not give a shit, to not work|breed.

Ms Nadegda replied ( to me ):
> > You ( Ms Nadegda ) continually fail to understand
> > the difference between an incel (Greg) and a MGTOW (me).
> 
> One flavor of die-hard misogynist is just as terrible as another ...

Put your broom away, Wicked Witch of the West.

America is a " Rat Utopia ";
we've learned to not give a shit, to not work|breed.

In a world of plenty, 
the Democrats' " income inequality " mantra is a red Herring.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.6--0.46pm.Seattle.2019
            Siri_Cruise│chine_bleu@yahoo_  chine.bleu-137F65.14155206052019@reader.eternal-september.org
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.6--3.24pm.Seattle.2019
        ScottDoty  gjbvh2Fe1d6U4@mid.individual.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.6--5.33pm.Seattle.2019
    MsNadegda  qaqr0t$cth$28@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.6--10.17pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 1  m57 Cool; 25 Secs, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  May  6 {  7:37pm, 2019 }:17  XʇʒɅ
      What does "income inequality" mean in a world of plenty ?

You ( Ms Nadegda ) continually fail to understand
the difference between an incel (Greg) and a MGTOW (me).

Getting back to the original issue...

What does "income inequality" mean in a world of plenty,
and why would it stop someone from breeding ?
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            SamWormley  492551a8-25bb-4a47-9742-965e4dbb3831@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.6--4.22pm.Seattle.2019
        PaulAlsing  4bbb8d3d-1fb7-4440-99c1-c43b603fca2a@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.6--4.59pm.Seattle.2019
    PaulAlsing  6fb7145d-336c-4f57-82da-37331d2ac451@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.6--10.08pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m48 Cool; 27.8 Minutes, GoogleG,  May  6 {  8:41pm, 2019 }:32^(PDT)  Xʇʜლ
      Hubble's so-called "constant" is growing larger.

Paul Alsing replied ( to me ):
> > Lambda, the cosmological "constant", is growing.
> 
> Evidence for this claim ?

I told you, Hubble's so-called "constant" is growing larger;
it was smallest (67.66) at the CMBR, near the start of the Big Bang,
and largerest (73.24) at today's type Ia supernova era.

In between, at the Quasar era,
the Hubble "constant" was in the middle (72.5).

" Is Dark Energy Getting Stronger ? ", by PBS Space Time, Mar 20, 2019:
  Youtube.COM/watch?v=tAtVgHvt05M

> > Quantum particles can degenerate into 
> > a form that is so cold, they can't radiate.
> 
> Evidence for this claim?

95% of the Milky Way is a sphere of cold dark matter; 
other than gravitation, it doesn't interact with ordinary matter;
so I can't produce decent evidence.
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              Ratchetjaw│ratchetjaw@mail_com  7QXzE.9953$8z4.5515@fx03.iad
            Klaus_Schadenfreude│  d711deh9p6vpoif1239lqhm6q99q85s0mv@4ax.com
          Siri_Cruise│chine_bleu@yahoo_  chine.bleu-602C58.14100406052019@reader.eternal-september.org
        ScottDoty  gjbtsvFe1d6U2@mid.individual.net
      Siri_Cruise│chine_bleu@yahoo_  chine.bleu-61BAA9.17281906052019@reader.eternal-september.org
    ScottDoty  gjc3bjFg09jU1@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.6--6.29pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Talk.Politics.Guns, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m78 Top; 17.4 Minutes, Pan, Individual.NET,  May  6 {  5:55pm, 2019 }:15  XʇʁɁ
      Give Trump's inheritance to a heroin addict.

Scott Doty replied ( to Siri ):
> > Since iDJT inheritted much of his wealth, he's not a capitalist.
> > That makes him a commie.
> 
> Explains why he is so deferent to the russkies.

Give Trump's inheritance to a heroin addict,
then count the days until he's dead.

Google: Lottery Winners Who Have Gone Bankrupt

Quoting Natalya Nosova, Apr 17 2018:

  Communism as a state ideology is dead in Russia.
  This is official. 
  " No ideology may be established as a state or obligatory one," 
  goes Article 13 of Russia's Constitution adopted in 1993.

  This is a major difference compared to 
  previous Soviet constitutions 
  that emphasized the Communist Party ( CPSU ) was 
  " the leading and guiding force of Soviet society
    and the nucleus of its political system. "
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              Avenging_Angel│Not_fucking_  XnsAA4745D6E1C49greyghost471bazinga@144.76.35.198
            Siri_Cruise│chine_bleu@yahoo_  chine.bleu-EDC757.07273506052019@reader.eternal-september.org
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.6--0.46pm.Seattle.2019
        Siri_Cruise│chine_bleu@yahoo_  chine.bleu-137F65.14155206052019@reader.eternal-september.org
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.6--3.24pm.Seattle.2019
    ScottDoty  gjbvh2Fe1d6U4@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.6--5.33pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 1  m78 Top; 29 Secs, Pan, Individual.NET,  May  6 {  4:49pm, 2019 }:55  Xʇɶɳ
      Rich white guys are pushing around (relatively) poor black dudes.

Scott Doty replied ( to me ):
> > " Rat Utopia " experiments indicate:
> > dense communities have too many attackers, too much vice.
> > 
> > First, males stop guarding mothers ( too many attackers );
> > then mothers stop raising kids ( again, too many attackers ).
> 
> Humans are not rats.

Right, we just mimic them, exactly.

Quoting "SmithsonianMag.COM":

    isolation [ i.e. gated communities ] enabled aggressive mice
    to stake out territory and isolate the beautiful ones.
             ....
    The few secluded spaces housed a population Calhoun 
    called, "the beautiful ones."  

    Generally guarded by one male, the females ( and a few males )
    inside the space didn't breed or fight,
    or do anything but eat and groom and sleep.

Which is EXACTLY what we see today, in big, rich cities.
The world is shrinking; there's a backlash against globalization,
towards nationalism.  The Cold War is stronger than ever.

Trump won rural America; his supporters are labeled 
" smelly Walmart people " ( Peter Strzok )
and " irredeemable deplorables " (Hillary).

> Instead of a population problem, one could argue
> that Universe 25 had a fair distribution problem.

Q. Why didn't the ugly ones breed ?
A. Dense communities have too many attackers, too much vice.

If it's all relative, and "income inequality" matters in the NFL:

  Rich white guys are pushing around (relatively) poor black dudes,
  same as the antebellum plantation.

Thou shalt not covet.

> Read the article, visit the science, learn the concepts,
> express the knowledge.   Share and enjoy.

Follow your own advice, please.
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        SamWormley  492551a8-25bb-4a47-9742-965e4dbb3831@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.6--4.22pm.Seattle.2019
    PaulAlsing  4bbb8d3d-1fb7-4440-99c1-c43b603fca2a@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.6--4.59pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m48 Cool; 5.5 Minutes, GoogleG,  May  6 {  4:45pm, 2019 }: 2^(PDT)  XʇɵΗ
      The sun is losing mass/energy and today's quasars are less powerful.

Paul Alsing replied ( to me ):
> > "Dark Matter" is cold, degenerate matter. "Dark Energy" is entropy.
> 
> Provide evidence for this claim. No one will ever just take your word for it.

I did, the sun is losing mass/energy and today's quasars are less powerful.

Quantum particles can degenerate into a form that is so cold, they can't radiate.

Lambda, the cosmological "constant", is growing.

Compared to the concordance model ( Lambda-CDM ), the Big Rip
now seems more likely, given recent evidence from "the quasar era"
that shows that the (growing) Hubble "Constant" was then LESS (72.5)
than one at the ( cosmologically older ) "Type Ia supernova era" (73.24),
and MORE than the one at the CMBR (67.66), near the start of the Big Bang.

" Is Dark Energy Getting Stronger ? ", by PBS Space Time, Mar 20, 2019:
  Youtube.COM/watch?v=tAtVgHvt05M
■
    SamWormley  492551a8-25bb-4a47-9742-965e4dbb3831@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.6--4.22pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 8  m97 Cool; 8.3 Hours, GoogleG,  May  6 {  6:22am, 2019 }: 6^(PDT)  XʇDϴ
      "Dark Matter" is cold, degenerate matter. "Dark Energy" is entropy.

"Dark Matter" is cold, degenerate matter. "Dark Energy" is entropy.
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      SamWormley  b08f4ac0-271e-46bd-8926-370abd9bb9c5@googlegroups.com
    BenJacoby  qaq070$7ac$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.6--4.19pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m231 Top; 2.6 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Aioe.ORG,  May  6 { 11:59am, 2019 }:47^(-4)  XʇȻჩ
      High precision clocks orbiting the planet.

Ben Jacoby:
> As for GR, Einstein's theory of gravity, it explains nothing.

GR is a computer program; garbage in, garbage out.

Without it, our GPS system wouldn't work.

Ben knows nothing about steam engines, much less
high precision clocks orbiting the planet.
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              whodat│whodat@avoid_void_net  qamdc4$194$1@dont-email.me
            Odd_Bodkin│bodkinodd@gmail_com  qanfc0$r8t$1@gioia.aioe.org
          BenJacoby  qao9re$c7d$2@gioia.aioe.org
        whodat│whodat@avoid_void_net  qaodcu$hnv$1@dont-email.me
      Odd_Bodkin│bodkinodd@gmail_com  qapk30$evg$1@gioia.aioe.org
    BenJacoby  qapvb3$3ad$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.6--4.12pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 3  m231 Top; 2.9 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Aioe.ORG,  May  6 { 11:44am, 2019 }:53^(-4)  Xʇȹʭ
      Ben Jacoby doesn't understand basic thermodynamics.

Ben Jacoby doesn't understand basic thermodynamics;
he's yet to catch up to steam engine science.
He keeps telling me that " entropy is conserved ".

He confuses Shannon entropy ( the least amount of bits needed to convey a message )
with the physics definition:  how evenly  heat/matter  are distributed.

Our hot/dense sun evaporates into the cold/sparse vacuum;
it's losing 4.3 million tons/second.

Our Universe is going from infinitely  hot/dense to infinitely  cold/sparse.
Entropy accrues eternally, exponentially. " The Big Bang " is just entropy.

"TON 618" is the most massive black hole known to man;
we see it as it was 10.4 billion years ago.
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          Alan_Folmsbee│omnilobe@gmail_  8dccf456-a12f-4946-98fe-558218b885e0@googlegroups.com
        Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  gja1q6F28gjU1@mid.individual.net
      SamWormley  24ed8d50-84dd-4e32-af8c-4ce533672273@googlegroups.com
    BenJacoby  qapurk$bi$2@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.6--3.35pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 4  m231 Top; 3 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Aioe.ORG,  May  6 { 11:36am, 2019 }:39^(-4)  Xʇȸd
      Boeing failed to train 737 Max pilots.

Boeing failed to train 737 Max pilots.

" Any old moron could fly it; after all, it's just a 737 "
was Boeing's primary sales pitch.
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              Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37392585c5695520997088@news.altopia.com
            .  qap1ms$1dg0$10@gioia.aioe.org
          .  XnsAA4745D6E1C49greyghost471bazinga@144.76.35.198
        .  chine.bleu-EDC757.07273506052019@reader.eternal-september.org
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.6--0.46pm.Seattle.2019
    Siri_Cruise│chine_bleu@yahoo_  chine.bleu-137F65.14155206052019@reader.eternal-september.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.6--3.24pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 1  m88 Dropped; 22.2 Minutes, NewsWatcher➤Mac, Eternal-September.ORG,  May  6 {  2:16pm, 2019 }:  ^(-7)  XʇɜϠ
      When no one is having sex, you don't need contraceptives.

Siri Cruise replied ( to me ):
> > " Scowling Feminism " is the only contraceptive we need;
> > " I'm happy " they'll snap at you, when not grinding their teeth.
> 
> unintelligible nonsense.

When no one is having sex, you don't need contraceptives.

" Rat Utopia " experiments indicate:
dense communities have too many attackers, too much vice.

First, males stop guarding mothers ( too many attackers );
then mothers stop raising kids ( again, too many attackers ).

2018, South Korea had the lowest fertility rate ( 0.98 births / woman ).
The poorest and most rural parts of Africa have the highest.

The world is shrinking; there's a backlash against globalization,
towards nationalism.  The Cold War is stronger than ever.

Trump won rural America; his supporters are labeled 
" smelly Walmart people " ( Peter Strzok )
and " irredeemable deplorables " (Hillary).
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              Avenging_Angel│Not_fucking_  XnsAA46924F6D2AAgreyghost471bazinga@144.76.35.198
            TheSnitBot  gj8p74FohpjU4@mid.individual.net
          Avenging_Angel│Not_fucking_  XnsAA474346639AAgreyghost471bazinga@144.76.35.198
        TheSnitBot  gjatatF82siU3@mid.individual.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.6--1.45pm.Seattle.2019
    SergIo│invalid@invalid_com  qaq72b$16lr$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.6--3.14pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Talk.Politics.Guns, Alt.Checkmate
    ╳ 5  m161 Cool; 41.5 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win7, Aioe.ORG,  May  6 {  1:56pm, 2019 }:44^(-5)  Xʇəʤ
      The Wicked Witch of the West.

SergIo replied ( to me ):
> > For Snit, capitalism is not an option.
> 
> sure it is, Snit can go down on the corner and sell/rent it for 15 min

How much does the Wicked Witch of the West, with her splintery, 
slimy broom handle get when she pegs you ?
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              .  03lucet8jq5dthn3rnearo205pqiihkik9@4ax.com
            .  gj9ellFsvalU3@mid.individual.net
          .  uo1vcet6qo9pkhl4gdrrsfmg1kglr4qig2@4ax.com
        .  gj9hi7FtgobU1@mid.individual.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.6--1.31pm.Seattle.2019
    MrAA  97c58789-7a76-4e09-8d99-26c3d0678fc7@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.6--3.05pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m68 Top; 44.2 Minutes, GoogleG, 205.153.48.25,  May  6 {  1:53pm, 2019 }:59^(PDT)  Xʇɘჵ
      Rich white guys are pushing around (relatively) poor black dudes.

MrAA replied ( to me ):
> > Death+Taxes; everyone's a slave, to some extent.
> > Other than today's wealthier society ( due to globalization/capitalism ),
> > What is the difference between an NFL team and an antebellum plantation ?
> 
> On the plantation the slaves weren't rich!

It's all relative, income inequality; either way,
rich white guys are pushing around (relatively) poor black dudes.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.6--4.17am.Seattle.2019
            SergIo│invalid@invalid_com  qapjgb$bns$3@gioia.aioe.org
          Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  pjk0de5u03df0g5jc3k7cs9muef8qab72g@4ax.com
        Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.373a019284ce41199970ac@news.altopia.com
      Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  lpp0de9h8et3vubsepmcr7jf7nc6l6i3mn@4ax.com
    Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.373a3e407e45b1aa9970af@news.altopia.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.6--2.59pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Talk.Politics.Guns, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m169 Dropped; 46.3 Minutes, MicroPlanet, Alt.NET,  May  6 {  1:51pm, 2019 }:53^(-7)  Xʇɘϙ
      Before or after Nads pegged you with her dirty broom ?

Checkmate:
> I might have been willing to give Nads a little taste 
> of my Checkylove (tm) before I found that out ( purple hair ).

Before or after she pegged you with her dirty broom ?
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          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.5--7.15pm.Seattle.2019
        .  qap15u$1dg0$7@gioia.aioe.org
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.6--4.17am.Seattle.2019
    SergIo│invalid@invalid_com  qapjgb$bns$3@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.6--2.47pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Talk.Politics.Guns, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 7  m161 Cool; 6.3 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win7, Aioe.ORG,  May  6 {  8:22am, 2019 }:50^(-5)  XʇXа
      Near as I can tell, wealthy "men" NEED sugar babies.

SergIo replied ( to me ):
> > Nothing is lovelier than an angry feminist.
> 
> Why is there always an ugly one in a lez couple ?

Sugar Daddy has to work hard to pay for sugar baby.

Near as I can tell, wealthy "men" NEED sugar babies.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.5--2.41pm.Seattle.2019
            AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  qantm4$jqf$1@dont-email.me
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.5--7.51pm.Seattle.2019
        SergIo│invalid@invalid_com  qapjdo$bns$1@gioia.aioe.org
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.6--1.01pm.Seattle.2019
    SergIo│invalid@invalid_com  qaq5h7$108o$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.6--2.29pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m49 Cool; 35.5 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win7, Aioe.ORG,  May  6 {  1:30pm, 2019 }:31^(-5)  XʇɕV
      10 million % inflation.

SergIo replied ( to me ):
> > Who got the money that the government printed ?
> 
> Banks, because they gave Gov paper notes.

No, government spending programs ( SSI and wars ) got it.
2019, Venezuela, 10 million % inflation.

> > Inflation is a highly-regressive tax.
> 
> na, Gov sets tax rates,  no one "sets" inflation

Short-term interest rates ( "Federal Funds" ) are government policy;
when they invert the yield curve, a recession is coming, because 
The Fed wants less borrowing/spending, to reduce inflation.

If you tell me what your trusted sources are ( Wikipedia? ), 
I'll provide you links.  If you don't have any trusted sources,
then you're an isolated, insignificant crank.

> don't worry about things outside of your control

In other words, don't worry about anything.
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              Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  gfptcepdmvl93el31qm55i74pvuv6anqo9@4ax.com
            TheSnitBot  gj8f6dFmdn1U2@mid.individual.net
          Avenging_Angel│Not_fucking_  XnsAA46924F6D2AAgreyghost471bazinga@144.76.35.198
        TheSnitBot  gj8p74FohpjU4@mid.individual.net
      Avenging_Angel│Not_fucking_  XnsAA474346639AAgreyghost471bazinga@144.76.35.198
    TheSnitBot  gjatatF82siU3@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.6--1.45pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Talk.Politics.Guns, Alt.Checkmate
    --Robot, 6.5 Hours, NewsTap➤iPhone, Individual.NET,  May  6 {  7: 6am, 2019 }:22  XʇLM
      For Snit, capitalism is not an option.

TheSnitBot:
> Your attack is based on the idea that if someone is poor
> you are better than them and your ideas are better,

2018, I earned/spent 3$ K ( not counting food stamps ), 
mostly for others not me.  How do you compare ?

Basically you're a cross between a male feminist and a male housewife,
and highly dependent on your SSI check.

For you, capitalism is not an option.
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              MsNadegda  qanjpk$cth$14@dont-email.me
            TheSnitBot  gj92ctFqi58U1@mid.individual.net
          Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  03lucet8jq5dthn3rnearo205pqiihkik9@4ax.com
        TheSnitBot  gj9ellFsvalU3@mid.individual.net
      Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  uo1vcet6qo9pkhl4gdrrsfmg1kglr4qig2@4ax.com
    TheSnitBot  gj9hi7FtgobU1@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.6--1.31pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Talk.Politics.Guns, Alt.Checkmate
    --Robot, 18.7 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Mac, Individual.NET,  May  5 {  6:39pm, 2019 }:19^(-7)  XʆϾΩ
      Death+Taxes; everyone's a slave, to some extent.

TheSnitBot replied ( to Greg ):
> > There is no better economic system to assist all and sundry 
> > to a higher standard of living than capitalism.
> 
> Unsupported claim ( and one that is contrary to the evidence ). 
> Slaves do NOT benefit from being slaves.

Death+Taxes; everyone's a slave, to some extent.

Other than today's wealthier society ( due to globalization/capitalism ),
What is the difference between an NFL team and an antebellum plantation ?
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              SteveCarroll  fa9c8609-22d9-4f71-a51b-72a522fccd74@googlegroups.com
            AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  qan260$ph0$1@dont-email.me
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.5--2.41pm.Seattle.2019
        AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  qantm4$jqf$1@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.5--7.51pm.Seattle.2019
    SergIo│invalid@invalid_com  qapjdo$bns$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.6--1.01pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m48 Cool; 3.9 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win7, Aioe.ORG,  May  6 {  8:21am, 2019 }:27^(-5)  XʇXθ
      Inflation is a highly-regressive tax.

SergIo:
> inflation is not a tax, no one there to "take" the tax.
> I regulate you to study personal finance

Who got the money that the government printed ?
Where did the purchasing power come from ?

Inflation is a highly-regressive tax.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.5--7.15pm.Seattle.2019
            TheSnitBot  gj9khtFu4kaU1@mid.individual.net
          Klaus_Schadenfreude│  rqd0dehemfa978khoqjbumojghi1mdcmtp@4ax.com
        Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  tti0depk64t9ri0pqlvvlim72j5432bnkm@4ax.com
      TheSnitBot  gjb15lF8r57U4@mid.individual.net
    Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  4sj0de5bleg4ce2jseotvjsh80qpaf02ap@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.6--0.55pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Talk.Politics.Guns, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m89 Dropped; 4 Hours, F_Agent, Alt.NET,  May  6 {  8:17am, 2019 }:51^(-4)  XʇWჭ
      Snit's apocalypse-cult doesn't involve Jesus.

Greg told Snit:
> You don't think; you parrot the liberal line.  Your mind is mush.

The only difference between Snit and a Mormon missionary is the religion;
Snit's apocalypse-cult doesn't involve Jesus.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.5--4.28pm.Seattle.2019
            Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  t90vcepguc1la23ugsjfqvhfut47eftash@4ax.com
          Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37392585c5695520997088@news.altopia.com
        Kensi  qap1ms$1dg0$10@gioia.aioe.org
      Avenging_Angel│Not_fucking_  XnsAA4745D6E1C49greyghost471bazinga@144.76.35.198
    Siri_Cruise│chine_bleu@yahoo_  chine.bleu-EDC757.07273506052019@reader.eternal-september.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.6--0.46pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 1  m224 Dropped; 4.8 Hours, NewsWatcher➤Mac, Eternal-September.ORG,  May  6 {  7:27am, 2019 }:43^(-7)  XʇOψ
      " Scowling Feminism " is the only contraceptive we need.

Siri Cruise wrote something like:
> give women contraceptives, birth rates go down.

" Scowling Feminism " is the only contraceptive we need;
" I'm happy " they'll snap at you, when not grinding their teeth.
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              MsNadegda  qanjpk$cth$14@dont-email.me
            TheSnitBot  gj92ctFqi58U1@mid.individual.net
          Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  03lucet8jq5dthn3rnearo205pqiihkik9@4ax.com
        TheSnitBot  gj9ellFsvalU3@mid.individual.net
      Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  uo1vcet6qo9pkhl4gdrrsfmg1kglr4qig2@4ax.com
    Kensi  qap106$1dg0$4@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.6--4.52am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Talk.Politics.Guns, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 9  m63 Top; 59.9 Minutes, NewsTap➤iPad, Aioe.ORG,  May  6 {  3: 7am, 2019 }: 1^(2)  Xʆუz
      People are tired of globalization, the Cold War is back.

Kensi:
> since 2008, the only boats that have risen
> have been the one-percenters'.

Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's "house" ( a tent ),
nor his "wife" ( a Tenga Flip Zero ), 
nor his "ManServant" ( angry cops )
nor his "MaidServant" ( on YouTube )
nor his "Ox" ( a dead cell phone ).

> > There is no better economic system than capitalism.
> 
> [citation needed]

It works for him ( and me ), not you.

> > it's WAY better than socialism/communism/Marxism and all
> > the other productivity-killing isms.
> 
> ... says the subscriber to the inarguably worst "ism" 
> in all of history: fascism.

People are tired of globalization, the Cold War is back.
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              Klaus_Schadenfreude│  m9fuce1ecdopelqco49odf8k5i66g4ttr1@4ax.com
            Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  gfptcepdmvl93el31qm55i74pvuv6anqo9@4ax.com
          TheSnitBot  gj8f6dFmdn1U2@mid.individual.net
        Avenging_Angel│Not_fucking_  XnsAA46924F6D2AAgreyghost471bazinga@144.76.35.198
      MsNadegda  qaniq3$cth$11@dont-email.me
    Kensi  qap0ke$1dg0$3@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.6--4.32am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Talk.Politics.Guns, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 10  m63 Top; 1.1 Hours, NewsTap➤iPad, Aioe.ORG,  May  6 {  3:  am, 2019 }:46^(2)  Xʆტk
      Bitching isn't "work".

Kensi replied ( to Ms Nadegda ):
> > A lot of people are not paid for their work.
> 
> Especially women.

Bitching isn't "work".
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              TheSnitBot  gj8f6fFmdn1U4@mid.individual.net
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          MsNadegda  qanjpk$cth$14@dont-email.me
        TheSnitBot  gj92ctFqi58U1@mid.individual.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.5--7.15pm.Seattle.2019
    Kensi  qap15u$1dg0$7@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.6--4.17am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Talk.Politics.Guns, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 13  m63 Top; 56.8 Minutes, NewsTap➤iPad, Aioe.ORG,  May  6 {  3:10am, 2019 }: 6^(2)  Xʆუϴ
      Nothing is lovelier than an angry feminist.

Kensi:
> Capitalism is all about coveting.

I know, right ? 
Republicans never stop talking about income inequality.

Or is it the Democrats ?!  I can't remember.

Nothing is lovelier than an angry feminist.
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              TheSnitBot  gj71plFctarU1@mid.individual.net
            Kensi  qamehj$4c8$2@gioia.aioe.org
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.5--2.23pm.Seattle.2019
        TheSnitBot  gj9dtrFsq30U3@mid.individual.net
      Klaus_Schadenfreude│  jk0vcellk0h74934ht7amb8615v9ulc4g4@4ax.com
    Kensi  qap008$1dg0$2@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.6--3.59am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Talk.Politics.Guns, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m50 Top; 10 Minutes, NewsTap➤iPad, Aioe.ORG,  May  6 {  2:49am, 2019 }:59^(2)  Xʆრɷ
      Even the lowliest "inmates" have some "choices".

Kensi:
> Please post evidence of Norway's gulags

Even the lowliest "inmates" have some "choices".

Price of a pint of beer in a pub/bar, in $ USD:
        
  10.30   Oslo, Norway *1
  11      Iceland 
   7.10   Helsinki, Finland
   7      Seattle *2
   5.50   Vancouver, Canada
   1.60   Ukraine
   1.20   Prague

*1:   scmp.com/lifestyle/food-drink/article/2148408/where-does-hong-kong-rank-beer-index-find-out-price-pint-around
*2:   before the 10% tax, 20% tip
      katu.com/news/local/portland-tops-seattle-as-best-beer-city-in-usa-survey-says
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    Kensi  qaovln$1dg0$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.6--2.59am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 1  m49 Top; 3.3 Minutes, NewsTap➤iPad, Aioe.ORG,  May  6 {  2:44am, 2019 }:22^(2)  Xʆჟʎ
      The end of life as we knew it.

Kensi:
> Banana's Black Sigatoka disease boosted by climate change

A banana costs 35 cents; minimum wage is 15$ / hour;
so the poorest worker must work 1.4 minutes to earn a banana.

Truly, this is the end of life as we knew it.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.4--7.55pm.Seattle.2019
            AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  qamtav$q35$1@dont-email.me
          .  fa9c8609-22d9-4f71-a51b-72a522fccd74@googlegroups.com
        .  qan260$ph0$1@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.5--2.41pm.Seattle.2019
    AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  qantm4$jqf$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.5--7.51pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m67 Cool; 2.3 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  May  5 {  5: 4pm, 2019 }:19^(-6)  XʆϠБ
      Inflation is a tax.

Inflation is a tax; no government is going to give up 
its right to tax, issue bonds, print currency etc.

If I held gold, instead of dollars, I'd be MUCH richer today; 
however, the volatility would be extreme.

Then there's regulations...
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              Klaus_Schadenfreude│  mn0tcetmknflgpcqat1fm3ap12f9blmrgb@4ax.com
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.4--7.55pm.Seattle.2019
          TheSnitBot  gj71plFctarU1@mid.individual.net
        Kensi  qamehj$4c8$2@gioia.aioe.org
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.5--2.23pm.Seattle.2019
    ScottDoty  gj9in2Fth31U1@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.5--7.42pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Talk.Politics.Guns, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m76 Top; 23.4 Minutes, Pan, Individual.NET,  May  5 {  6:58pm, 2019 }:58  XʆБи
      The NFL has often been likened to a plantation.

Scott Doty replied ( to me ):
> A market without regulation would be like a hockey game 
> without referees: It wouldn't be a _fair_ market for long.
> 
> If you want to live in a libertarian utopia, 
> may I suggest moving to Somolia ?

In Somolia, piracy is the nascent government.

"taxes+regulations" is a euphemism for "slavery".
The NFL has often been likened to a plantation.

Once something has dominated the market, as the government has,
it enslaves it.  You work for them, right ?!
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              TheSnitBot  gj4gbtFqjiiU1@mid.individual.net
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          TheSnitBot  gj8f6fFmdn1U4@mid.individual.net
        Avenging_Angel│Not_fucking_  XnsAA469112A3B66greyghost471bazinga@144.76.35.198
      MsNadegda  qanjpk$cth$14@dont-email.me
    TheSnitBot  gj92ctFqi58U1@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.5--7.15pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Talk.Politics.Guns, Alt.Checkmate
    --Robot, 4.8 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Mac, Individual.NET,  May  5 {  2:20pm, 2019 }:28^(-7)  Xʆξʔ
      I'm the poorest man here.

Poverty is not a " moral failing ", Snit;
I'm the poorest man here.

3 thousand years ago, a wise man said:

  Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's  House, 
  thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's  Wife, 
                               nor his  ManServant, 
                               nor his  MaidServant, 
                               nor his  Ox, 
                               nor his  Ass, 
  nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.  
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          MsNadegda  qankau$cth$15@dont-email.me
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.5--4.28pm.Seattle.2019
      Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  t90vcepguc1la23ugsjfqvhfut47eftash@4ax.com
    Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37392585c5695520997088@news.altopia.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.5--7.06pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 1  m47 Dropped; 25.4 Minutes, MicroPlanet, Alt.NET,  May  5 {  5:54pm, 2019 }: 1^(-7)  XʆϷ1
      If you're a 13-year-old illiterate, wild orphan.

Checkmate:
> I've never understood why people who live in 
> the shittiest part of the world, with not enough food or water,
> and rampant disease, keep bringing so many sprogs into it.

If you're a 13-year-old illiterate, wild orphan,
and you doubt you'll see 20, you might become a parent too.
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        MsNadegda  qankau$cth$15@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.5--4.28pm.Seattle.2019
    Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  t90vcepguc1la23ugsjfqvhfut47eftash@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.5--6.49pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 2  m78 Dropped; 40.7 Minutes, F_Agent, Alt.NET,  May  5 {  5:38pm, 2019 }:42^(-4)  Xʆϴʢ
      2018, South Korea had the lowest fertility rate ( 0.98 births / woman ).

Greg replied ( to me ):
> > Macau, China, has the lowest fertility rate ( births / woman );
> > the poorest and most rural parts of Africa have the highest.
> 
> That's like comparing apples and oranges.  Everybody knows
> how in China the government has placed limits on reproduction 

Macau has its own currency ( Macanese pataca ) 
and there is no limit on how many kids a woman can have.

Macau has one of the highest per capita incomes in the world,
has a very high Human Development Index,
and the fourth-highest life expectancy in the world.

2018, South Korea had the lowest fertility rate ( 0.98 births / woman ).

> in rural Africa, they breed out of control

Because they're rural, like America's " smelly Walmart people "
( Peter Strzok ) and " irredeemable deplorables " (Hillary).
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    MsNadegda  qankau$cth$15@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.5--4.28pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 1  m45 Cool; 1.2 Hours, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  May  5 {  2:24pm, 2019 }:46  Xʆοk
      Smelly Walmart people.

Ms Nadegda:
> remove the orange shit from office before he starts World War III.

There's a backlash against globalization, towards nationalism.
The Cold War is stronger than ever.

Trump won rural America.  " Rat Utopia " experiments indicate:
dense communities have too many attackers, too much vice.

First, males stop guarding mothers ( too many attackers );
then mothers stop raising kids ( again, too many attackers ).

Macau, China, has the lowest fertility rate ( births / woman );
the poorest and most rural parts of Africa have the highest.

Trump supporters are labeled " smelly Walmart people " ( Peter Strzok )
and " irredeemable deplorables " (Hillary).
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              Klaus_Schadenfreude│  c94vce986681cdel9iehh7ug03f1r0k25u@4ax.com
            Siri_Cruise│chine_bleu@yahoo_  chine.bleu-988BAF.13135605052019@reader.eternal-september.org
          TheSnitBot  gj8vn3Fpvc0U1@mid.individual.net
        Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  7fiuce1jodvh6p5crro25n2kjljmho7jhp@4ax.com
      TheSnitBot  gj90jpFq48iU1@mid.individual.net
    Klaus_Schadenfreude│  lnguceda7i08aqvrn88j4t564uaiseldd4@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.5--4.13pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Talk.Politics.Guns, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m73 Cool; 2.5 Hours, F_Agent, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  May  5 {  1:10pm, 2019 }:38^(-7)  XʆβФ
      Nothing is more beautiful than an angry feminist ( ha ha ).

Feminist Snit wrote:
> > Klaus is so filled with anger, I have no interest in his comments.

Nothing is more beautiful than an angry feminist ( ha ha ).
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              TheSnitBot  gj8f6dFmdn1U2@mid.individual.net
            Klaus_Schadenfreude│  s34uce1lgnp2or2fj1set3nqpcjfuagkuo@4ax.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.5--11.42am.Seattle.2019
        TheSnitBot  gj8s4iFp7a6U2@mid.individual.net
      Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  dogucelsb9ra4j7541677rna4ap6png4pi@4ax.com
    Siri_Cruise│chine_bleu@yahoo_  chine.bleu-44449D.14424505052019@reader.eternal-september.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.5--4.05pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Talk.Politics.Guns, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m206 Dropped; 55.9 Minutes, NewsWatcher➤Mac, Eternal-September.ORG,  May  5 {  2:42pm, 2019 }:53^(-7)  Xʆςr
      Once someone has dominated the market, as the government has.

Siri_Cruise:
> free markets allow unfettered slavery, the market is amoral.

"unfettered slavery" is taxes+regulations.

Once someone has dominated the market, as the government has,
they're free to shut down the markets.
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              TheSnitBot  gj8f6dFmdn1U2@mid.individual.net
            Klaus_Schadenfreude│  s34uce1lgnp2or2fj1set3nqpcjfuagkuo@4ax.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.5--11.42am.Seattle.2019
        TheSnitBot  gj8s4iFp7a6U2@mid.individual.net
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Jeff-Relf.Me@May.5--3.57pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Talk.Politics.Guns, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m206 Dropped; 58.9 Minutes, NewsWatcher➤Mac, Eternal-September.ORG,  May  5 {  2:39pm, 2019 }:51^(-7)  Xʆρϗ
      Hugo Chavez' "eat the rich" mantra.

Siri_Cruise wrote something like:
> if a Venezuelan dictator became the sole source of business loans 
> and investment, and nothing else changed, Venezuela would still be 
> as free and entrepreneurial as it today, with the wholesale killing
> of its own citizens, refugees, and 10 million % inflation in 2019.

Right, that's Capitalism ( ha ha ).

Hugo Chavez' "eat the rich" mantra started it.

If only we could bring his plan here, to the United States;
then we'd have magnificent tents, and plenty of food stamps.
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    Kensi  qame8l$38h$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.5--3.14pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 5  m48 Top; 8.8 Hours, NewsTap➤iPad, Aioe.ORG,  May  5 {  3:34am, 2019 }:59^(-4)  Xʆɩй
      I just talked to the children.

Kensi: 
> vulnerable children will bear the brunt of these disasters

I just talked to the children, 
they want you to stop working the streets
for your "apocalypse cult" pimp.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.4--7.55pm.Seattle.2019
            TheSnitBot  gj71plFctarU1@mid.individual.net
          Klaus_Schadenfreude│  m9fuce1ecdopelqco49odf8k5i66g4ttr1@4ax.com
        Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  gfptcepdmvl93el31qm55i74pvuv6anqo9@4ax.com
      TheSnitBot  gj8f6dFmdn1U2@mid.individual.net
    Klaus_Schadenfreude│  s34uce1lgnp2or2fj1set3nqpcjfuagkuo@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.5--2.50pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Talk.Politics.Guns, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 9  m68 Cool; 2.8 Hours, F_Agent, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  May  5 {  9:36am, 2019 }: 6^(-7)  Xʆʦ6
      Snit must lie.

Klaus Schadenfreude told Snit:
> you don't know what capitalism is.

He knows.  Being guilty, he must lie.
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              TheSnitBot  gj5uq9F5po5U1@mid.individual.net
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          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.4--7.55pm.Seattle.2019
        AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  qamtav$q35$1@dont-email.me
      SteveCarroll  fa9c8609-22d9-4f71-a51b-72a522fccd74@googlegroups.com
    AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  qan260$ph0$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.5--2.41pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m239 Mad; 3.1 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  May  5 {  9:14am, 2019 }:55^(-6)  Xʆʢʯ
      Will there be death, or prison, for drug dealers ?

AnonLinuxUser:
> under the Gold Standard, few taxes will be required.

What about regulations ?

Will there be death, or prison, for drug dealers ?
What's the fine for not sorting your trash properly ?

First, Democrats denounce " Big Oil ", " think of the children ";
then they tax+regulate the poor, leaving them with nothing but 
food stamps and a tent, just like our forefathers envisioned.

They're FAKE GREEN, pretending.
Sustainable Consumption is greener then manic windmills; 
but it'll never happen because they call it "depression".

Nothing would be greener than lower, more sustainable wages, and
higher interest rates, to promote savings and discourage borrowing/spending.
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        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.4--7.55pm.Seattle.2019
      TheSnitBot  gj71plFctarU1@mid.individual.net
    Kensi  qamehj$4c8$2@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.5--2.23pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Talk.Politics.Guns, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 6  m48 Top; 8.7 Hours, NewsTap➤iPad, Aioe.ORG,  May  5 {  3:39am, 2019 }:48^(2)  Xʆɪϓ
      "merely taxed" ?  No, slaves were "regulated" too.

TheSnitBot replied ( to me ):
> > > Slavery is taxes+regulations.
> > 
> > Thinking slaves were merely taxed has to be 
> > the most idiotic thing I have seen you suggest.

"merely taxed" ?  No, they were "regulated" too,
using guns, as is done today, thanks to Democrats.

To the extent that they were kept from the free market,
they were enslaved.
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      Pentcho_Valev│pvalev@yahoo_com  e3b3ce7a-aef8-4d1f-87cd-3fef3814a01e@googlegroups.com
    whodat│whodat@avoid_void_net  qamdc4$194$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.5--0.12pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m6 Cool; 7.9 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win7, Eternal-September.ORG,  May  5 {  3:19am, 2019 }:44^(-5)  Xʆɧɨ
      Entropy accrues eternally, exponentially.

Mr. whodat:
> Think of the possibilities if we actually lived in an infinite universe.
> Do we ?  That's the question.

" The Big Bang " is just entropy.
Entropy accrues eternally, exponentially.
Our Universe is going from infinitely  hot/dense to infinitely  cold/sparse.
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              Thomas_PointedEars_Lahn│  d7b044c2-4ed3-bd51-4da2-1bce5f26065f@PointedEars.de
            Enes_Richard│pies_na_teorie@vp_  60049fd4-9001-4406-aa8a-ed31ca539649@googlegroups.com
          Thomas_PointedEars_Lahn│  bf10a03a-8f0e-76a5-afc1-3637d42981c7@PointedEars.de
        Enes_Richard│pies_na_teorie@vp_  9d54b64a-79d5-45d3-816e-b610882efb18@googlegroups.com
      Thomas_PointedEars_Lahn│  b60548e7-b0ba-ca76-6ff7-806288f54890@PointedEars.de
    Enes_Richard│pies_na_teorie@vp_  3de35192-b54d-445b-84a3-36c73a6ba03f@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.5--11.58am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m41 Top; 1.2 Hours, GoogleG, 5.173.48.1,  May  5 { 10: 1am, 2019 }:32^(PDT)  Xʆʪɜ
      "Dark Matter" is cold, degenerate matter. "Dark Energy" is entropy.

"Dark Matter" is cold, degenerate matter. "Dark Energy" is entropy.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.4--7.55pm.Seattle.2019
            TheSnitBot  gj71plFctarU1@mid.individual.net
          Klaus_Schadenfreude│  m9fuce1ecdopelqco49odf8k5i66g4ttr1@4ax.com
        Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  gfptcepdmvl93el31qm55i74pvuv6anqo9@4ax.com
      TheSnitBot  gj8f6dFmdn1U2@mid.individual.net
    Klaus_Schadenfreude│  s34uce1lgnp2or2fj1set3nqpcjfuagkuo@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.5--11.42am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Talk.Politics.Guns, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 3  m28 Cool; 1.6 Hours, F_Agent, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  May  5 {  9:36am, 2019 }: 6^(-7)  Xʆʦ6
      Their guns tax+regulate us, enslave us.

TheSnitBot:
> > Capitalism is about exploitation of others. 
> > The extreme of that is slavery. 

A free market is just that: free.

Democrats say they're working for us, the poor;
but their guns tax+regulate us, enslave us.
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          MsNadegda  qaj7bh$cth$7@dont-email.me
        Beedle│Beedle@dont-email_me  0001HW.227DE9AB0000E44070000E1632EF@news.giganews.com
      TheSnitBot  gj5uq9F5po5U1@mid.individual.net
    Klaus_Schadenfreude│  mn0tcetmknflgpcqat1fm3ap12f9blmrgb@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.4--7.55pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Talk.Politics.Guns, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 5  m59 Cool; 0 Secs, F_Agent, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  May  4 {  7:42pm, 2019 }:57^(-7)  XʆRv
      Slavery is taxes+regulations.

TheSnitBot:
> > slavery is the extreme of "pure" capitalism

Slavery is taxes+regulations.

When free, the market determines your worth.

When you know you're worthless, 
you must lie continually, like Snit.
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          MsNadegda  qaj7bh$cth$7@dont-email.me
        Beedle│Beedle@dont-email_me  0001HW.227DE9AB0000E44070000E1632EF@news.giganews.com
      TheSnitBot  gj5uq9F5po5U1@mid.individual.net
    MsNadegda  qaknsr$cth$8@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.4--0.57pm.Seattle.2019
  Talk.Politics.Guns, Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m40 Cool; 23 Minutes, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  May  4 {   : 7pm, 2019 }: 8  XʅхȺ
      Trying to give everyone "free" shit.

Ms Nadegda mentioned:
> banksters to the Nazis

2008, not one U.S. bank wanted / needed bailout money;
the money was repaid ASAP, with interest.

Government-Chartered Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, on the other hand,
went bankrupt; the federal government took over, injected 200$ billion,
and slowly reduced their mortgage backed securities portfolios.

This is what happens when politicians get involved,
trying to give everyone "free" shit.
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              Just_Wondering│JW@jw_com  5y6yE.1043143$VB3.686818@fx45.iad
            MrChrisV  ns2jcetl7r9ii1g6eci1h04kh8uihjiq9v@4ax.com
          Just_Wondering│JW@jw_com  TFjyE.204665$2P1.32921@fx10.iad
        Kensi  qadoh1$qg5$1@gioia.aioe.org
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.1--8.39pm.Seattle.2019
    Kensi  qaj12v$1pqt$2@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.3--9.04pm.Seattle.2019
  Talk.Politics.Guns, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 3  m41 Top; 26.9 Minutes, NewsTap➤iPad, Aioe.ORG,  May  3 {  8:31pm, 2019 }:36^(2)  Xʅʛɠ
      MGTOW.

Kensi replied ( to me ):
> > Not everyone is happy to be enslaved by Kensi-types;
> 
> My husband is, some nights.

Hence MGTOW.
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              HerbertGlazier  8deb1a4b-6ace-47c6-ac13-694dcaea4295@googlegroups.com
            MitchellRaemsch  95968867-8f8e-44e0-ac69-c5311691c866@googlegroups.com
          HerbertGlazier  fc0ae2d9-5c1a-45f8-b20e-04bcec6785c8@googlegroups.com
        BenJacoby  qada8i$11bn$1@gioia.aioe.org
      HerbertGlazier  c81602d5-f28e-4f8b-9962-dfa9661c5100@googlegroups.com
    BenJacoby  qah757$1jo2$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.3--0.10pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 4  m251 Top; 7.7 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Aioe.ORG,  May  3 {  4: 3am, 2019 }: 3^(-4)  XʄწΘ
      The " burning bush " was a prostitute telling Moses what to do.

The " burning bush " was a prostitute telling Moses what to do.
■
          HerbertGlazier  e12096d5-3902-4bb6-b25e-b69198013c11@googlegroups.com
        BenJacoby  qad617$fp0$3@gioia.aioe.org
      HerbertGlazier  ba10a8af-3bc1-4d1b-b1b7-6ba60d6173d8@googlegroups.com
    BenJacoby  qah6p3$1hrk$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.3--0.03pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 5  m251 Top; 7.8 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Aioe.ORG,  May  3 {  3:56am, 2019 }:34^(-4)  Xʄძʚ
      A secret handshake ?

Bert:
> > my ears will soon work better and 
> > I can go back to making M&M a money power.
> > 
> > Will use my unlimited credit and a ton of cash.
> > I call it my last big splash.  Wish me luck.
> > If you want to come to this hall give me an email. 

Does this involve a secret handshake or something ?

I shouldn't have to fly to California to find out 
how M&M could make me " 3,000$ a week or more ".
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              HughHuntzinger  f62d4f38-2aff-475f-905d-22435e9e4eb7@googlegroups.com
            SteveCarroll  35074c2a-81ee-4d9f-8090-e3463f5322b0@googlegroups.com
          HughHuntzinger  4b983a3b-23bb-457a-9844-5b84d52a1bbd@googlegroups.com
        SteveCarroll  a29d37ef-c617-4cb9-8172-72f0564e27ca@googlegroups.com
      HughHuntzinger  b281e4e7-e9e7-42f5-bc2f-1bdc3beb8138@googlegroups.com
    SteveCarroll  efb3eb54-440f-4e66-85ad-1c98ef69cd94@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.2--7.46am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 3  m248 Mad; 44.8 Minutes, GoogleG,  May  2 {  6: 2am, 2019 }: 1^(PDT)  Xʄʂɹ
      Cuba is our future.

With or without Trump's wall, the planet is shrinking;
there's no stopping it.

Sure, taxing+regulating creates jobs for bureaucrats; but no one
enjoys being a slave to " the state " ( self-proclaimed "superiors" ).

Every tax+regulate lefty I see makes me long for poverty;
Cuba is our future.

Borrowing is one step away from theft -- I'm not into it;
nor do I want to lend to randoms.  I only trust me.
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              Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37327194c05fc1bc996fdd@news.altopia.com
            jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qaamc1$dl8$1@dont-email.me
          Just_Wondering│JW@jw_com  5y6yE.1043143$VB3.686818@fx45.iad
        MrChrisV  ns2jcetl7r9ii1g6eci1h04kh8uihjiq9v@4ax.com
      Just_Wondering│JW@jw_com  TFjyE.204665$2P1.32921@fx10.iad
    Kensi  qadoh1$qg5$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.1--8.39pm.Seattle.2019
  Talk.Politics.Guns, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m35 Top; 12 Secs, NewsTap➤iPad, Aioe.ORG,  May  1 {  8:34pm, 2019 }:52^(2)  XʄZв
      We're humans, not cows.

Not everyone is happy to be enslaved by Kensi-types;
we're humans, not cows.
■
              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.1--10.23am.Seattle.2019
            Mattb│trdell12345@gmail_com  v1rjcet47pn2a20fi940i43g3a335k80d0@4ax.com
          TheSnitBot  giu8sfFfo9hU3@mid.individual.net
        Mattb│trdell12345@gmail_com  krrjce9nddum6umo2ri6gb17rqih3o8ktc@4ax.com
      TheSnitBot  giu9e3Ffu8uU1@mid.individual.net
    Mattb│trdell12345@gmail_com  cmtjceh6psa5stcs50v9f31na9461rpbib@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.1--0.54pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 1  m10 Cool; 43 Secs, F_Agent, HighWinds➤Easynews.COM,  May  1 {   :44pm, 2019 }:26^(-7)  Xʃыʒ
      Socialism must be balanced with Capitalism for it to work.

Mattb:
> Venezuala ran out of money to steal and borrow.  
> Socialism must be balanced with Capitalism for it to work.

People are dumb; they have to re-learn this lesson over-and-over again.
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              AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  qaa5ld$a2a$1@dont-email.me
            TheSnitBot  girokjFtjrkU3@mid.individual.net
          Larry_Washington_III│  MPG.3732b27ecc09749b989692@nntp.aioe.org
        TheSnitBot  gis8anF2dh6U1@mid.individual.net
      Little_Mac│littlemac@linuxmail_  qac3pt$mhn$1@dont-email.me
    Ratchetjaw│ratchetjaw@mail_com  M4jyE.150256$7y4.77619@fx25.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.1--10.23am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 1  m97 Cool; 1.1 Hours, slrn➤Linux, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  May  1 {  8:39am, 2019 }:24  XʃТε
      Guilt makes Snit lie.

RatchetJaw:
> When Snit mixes his pills with alcohol, he really goes off his rocker.

It's guilt that's tormenting him, not pills.

Guilt makes him lie.

Guilt makes him RoboSpam newsgroups, so no one can Google them.
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              SteveCarroll  df19d937-e769-4a22-ab18-301b17f7b36d@googlegroups.com
            HughHuntzinger  4762646c-d69f-4792-b16c-482e39fc2faa@googlegroups.com
          SteveCarroll  db7d5e8d-89b8-4c7a-8812-67f4cbaaebe6@googlegroups.com
        HughHuntzinger  a97e4626-584d-47bf-867c-10a1a3304746@googlegroups.com
      SteveCarroll  dc2fd4bc-d296-4798-a89b-2d9a8d7526f1@googlegroups.com
    HughHuntzinger  68f73ffd-d960-4be3-b483-e7da1597a227@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.1--10.13am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m28 Top; 6 Hours, GoogleG, 74.105.120.71,  May  1 {  3:48am, 2019 }: 2^(PDT)  Xʃϓ2
      Hugh Huntzinger is one of those rich Democrats who steps on the poor.

Hugh Huntzinger is one of those rich Democrats who steps on the poor.

He thinks taxing+regulating " Big Oil " will somehow leave the poor
better off ( with a nicer tent, and more food stamps ?! ).

If you think ObamaCare helps the poor, you have no fucking clue.

Yesterday, a guy paid rent using some quarters and 1$ bills;
it was all he had; he lost his job twice, recently.

If it wasn't for Compass Housing ( a charity ) and me,
he'd be on the streets.

In 2018, there were 4 months when he didn't have healthcare
because he didn't qualify for Washington state's Apple Care.

Had he bought the healthcare, it would've cost him 2,600$,
with no real benefit to him; the tax penalty for not having it: 1,700$.
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    Kensi  qab6uu$1lqe$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.30--10.40pm.Seattle.2019
  Talk.Politics.Guns, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m31 Top; 1.1 Hours, NewsTap➤iPad, Aioe.ORG,  Apr 30 {  9:22pm, 2019 }:50^(2)  Xʃʣа
      Once the rich are dead.

Kensi:
> Beto 2020's climate change plans

The best way to lower America's GDP ( for a greener planet )
would be to tax+regulate it more ( as is happening );
once the rich are dead, we'll be as green as North Korea, Venezuela and Cuba.
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.30--6.39pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Test
      Alt_Test.
■
              HughHuntzinger  a50c018d-658d-4666-a28c-890c50ab4b84@googlegroups.com
            SteveCarroll  qa7d2f$7ja$1@dont-email.me
          HughHuntzinger  f836203f-de43-422c-b4e4-dfff750912d3@googlegroups.com
        SteveCarroll  67bed4f8-b0dc-4835-9780-5087e1f2b848@googlegroups.com
      HughHuntzinger  522064ad-7319-4e2e-9d69-86d4434d9fa0@googlegroups.com
    SteveCarroll  df19d937-e769-4a22-ab18-301b17f7b36d@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.30--8.23am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 3  m225 Mad; 10.8 Minutes, GoogleG,  Apr 30 {  7:18am, 2019 }:55^(PDT)  XʃNt
      We'll be as green as North Korea, Venezuela and Cuba.

Steve Carroll replied ( to Hugh Huntzinger ):
> > Social-Security+Medicare are independently funded, sustainable.  
> 
> Bull.  the ratio of workers to beneficiaries is almost  2.6

No problem, we'll tax " the rich "; they can afford anything ( ha ha ).
Once the rich are dead, we'll be as green as North Korea, Venezuela and Cuba.

> > Cut off Big Oil .... Problem solved.

Every single person in America is " Big Oil ".
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            AndrzejMatuch  TVhxE.575394$Tr1.273960@fx44.iad
          MrChrisV  nqpdce1035sgg6apjs81rtijl8q3fn6hd0@4ax.com
        HughHuntzinger  257cd305-ec74-4f8c-bbe9-474071aaa9b9@googlegroups.com
      SteveCarroll  35e5f2e4-841f-42de-9c0e-a27541ed939d@googlegroups.com
    HughHuntzinger  a50c018d-658d-4666-a28c-890c50ab4b84@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.29--0.11pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 2  m23 Top; 1.8 Hours, GoogleG, 143.85.5.26,  Apr 29 {  9:58am, 2019 }:10^(PDT)  Xʂʩϸ
      Craving pleasure, material goods.

Hugh Huntzinger:
> Trump's strategy has been little more than a " borrow and spend ", 
> which has ballooned the debt even more so at a point in the economic 
> cycle when classical Keysian economics says to do literally the opposite. 

" Borrow+Spend " has been the policy of every president;
it's the American way. 

Nothing would be greener than lower, more sustainable wages, and
higher interest rates, to promote savings and discourage borrowing/spending.

> We're still waiting for wage growth that does more than
> just maintain pace with inflation.  

" The love of money is the root of all evil " -- 1 Timothy 6:10.

" Whoever loves money never has enough; 
  whoever loves wealth is never satisfied with their income.
  This too is meaningless. " -- Ecclesiastes 5:10

Quoting PBS' " Basics of Buddhism ":

  In Buddhism, desire and ignorance lie at the root of suffering.

  By desire, Buddhists refer to craving pleasure, material goods,
  and immortality, all of which are wants that can never be satisfied.

  As a result, desiring them can only bring suffering.
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              .  587be332-e975-464c-9dc9-3360cb4bd653@googlegroups.com
            .  u1ixE.646603$Y49.572743@fx46.iad
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.28--7.08am.Seattle.2019
        BenJacoby  qa5spu$16t2$2@gioia.aioe.org
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.28--9.57pm.Seattle.2019
    Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  cj1ecep8ap8t1bngph6d5clbrdra7ul1gp@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.29--8.00am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╳ 1  m167 Dropped; 37.7 Minutes, F_Agent, Alt.NET,  Apr 29 {  7:16am, 2019 }:41^(-4)  XʂʎЧ
      Greg's underlings.

Greg:
> Doesn't the word *underling* mean being fucked ? 

For you, yes; otherwise no.
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              SteveCarroll  ccf83f8b-b89d-4e56-a859-aca66788f660@googlegroups.com
            Ratchetjaw│ratchetjaw@mail_com  o6ixE.646604$Y49.586124@fx46.iad
          SteveCarroll  7579e895-4559-49cc-863b-3904eba6832b@googlegroups.com
        Ratchetjaw│ratchetjaw@mail_com  uNBxE.398353$oy5.308651@fx06.iad
      TheSnitBot  gio93fF6dbaU5@mid.individual.net
    SteveCarroll  d249eb90-e597-4150-947d-cde521e4ea05@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.29--6.54am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 2  m206 Mad; 16.7 Minutes, GoogleG,  Apr 29 {  6:29am, 2019 }:15^(PDT)  Xʂʆщ
      Imagine the extreme guilt TheSnitBot must feel.

Imagine the guilt TheSnitBot must feel to be lying like he does;
he RoboSpams this group in order to cover up his lies,
so nobody can Google him.
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          The_Starmaker│starmaker@ix_  5CABB68E.5B57@ix.netcom.com
        Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  gind3sFeakU1@mid.individual.net
      The_Starmaker│starmaker@ix_  5CC69AB0.5A7D@ix.netcom.com
    Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  ginks2F217aU1@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.29--5.51am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics.Relativity, Alt.Astronomy, Rec.Arts.SF.Written
    ╱ 1  m17 Cool; 5.8 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win7, Individual.NET,  Apr 28 { 11:45pm, 2019 }:22^(10)  Xʂȹγ
      General Relativity is a computer program; garbage in, garbage out.

Sylvia Else wrote:
> A black hole is a prediction from general relativity.

General Relativity is a computer program; garbage in, garbage out.

Einstein never accepted the GIVENS required to produce a black hole;
no such GIVENS are essential to General Relativity.

" The Big Bang " is just entropy.

Entropy accrues eternally, exponentially.

Our Universe is going from infinitely  hot/dense to infinitely  cold/sparse.
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              .  d7082ad8-64db-44e0-b7b6-0b642e90a4a1@googlegroups.com
            .  q9vpnq$g43$5@dont-email.me
          .  587be332-e975-464c-9dc9-3360cb4bd653@googlegroups.com
        .  u1ixE.646603$Y49.572743@fx46.iad
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.28--7.08am.Seattle.2019
    BenJacoby  qa5spu$16t2$2@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.28--9.57pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 3  m223 Top; 54.3 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Aioe.ORG,  Apr 28 {  8:58pm, 2019 }:52^(-4)  Xʂdв
      Fucking your underlings.

Ben Jacoby replied ( to me ):
> > Marx literally fucked his underlings.
> 
> Gosh so did Bill Clinton!

When it comes to fucking your underlings,
John F. Kennedy was worse than Bill Clinton
but better than Karl Marx.
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    Kensi  qa5r1e$vl2$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.28--9.47pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 4  m26 Top; 1.1 Hours, NewsTap➤iPad, Aioe.ORG,  Apr 28 {  8:28pm, 2019 }:45^(2)  XʂYЫ
      What's your solution ?

Kensi:
> Climate change poses a clear financial risk to Australia

What's your solution ?

Google:  How much have oceans warmed, Celsius

No numbers pop up but, if you dig deep enough, 
searching for the word "Celsius", you'll see:

  The 2015 analysis showed that the modern buoys now 
  used to measure ocean temperatures tend to report 
  slightly cooler temperatures than older ship-based 
  systems, even when measuring the same part of the 
  ocean at the same time. 

  As buoy measurements have replaced ship measurements, 
  this had hidden some of the real-world warming.    

  After correcting for this " cold bias ",
  researchers with the National Oceanic and Atmospheric 
  Administration concluded in the journal Science that 
  the oceans have actually warmed 0.12 degrees Celsius/decade

  since 2000,  nearly twice as fast as earlier estimates of 
  0.07 degrees Celsius per decade.  
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              HerbertGlazier  17205b20-6f38-4e70-9c57-d14800ddc47d@googlegroups.com
            MrAA  3682b6d9-e198-4343-9308-96bb05094b66@googlegroups.com
          SamWormley  6b7a7580-c7ca-4d0a-bba5-7244c477f0a3@googlegroups.com
        MrAA  138af8cc-e4ad-41a1-947a-5e93927faf6f@googlegroups.com
      SamWormley  1fc66855-765f-45b9-8799-d5afdb9f61d6@googlegroups.com
    MrAA  cab81580-e0d7-4bdd-b27f-ea12c70dce73@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.28--2.18pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics
    ╳ 2  m73 Top; 8.9 Minutes, GoogleG, 205.153.48.25,  Apr 28 {  2: 2pm, 2019 }:52^(PDT)  Xʁიʬ
      " The Big Bang " is just entropy.

MrAA:
> If the Big Bang was not an explosion, 
> that takes all the Bang out of it!
> 
> A violent expansion with out a center or a shell
> is something we never experience in our everyday world.  
> It would seem not surprising that
> we would have no word to describe such a thing!

" The Big Bang " is just entropy.

Entropy accrues eternally, exponentially;
our Universe is going from infinitely  hot/dense
to infinitely  cold/sparse.
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              SteveCarroll  d7082ad8-64db-44e0-b7b6-0b642e90a4a1@googlegroups.com
            AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  q9vpnq$g43$5@dont-email.me
          SteveCarroll  587be332-e975-464c-9dc9-3360cb4bd653@googlegroups.com
        Ratchetjaw│ratchetjaw@mail_com  u1ixE.646603$Y49.572743@fx46.iad
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.28--7.08am.Seattle.2019
    SteveCarroll  0c45f563-7b4b-4cb2-a85c-32a0a2efd302@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.28--11.35am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 3  m193 Mad; 2.9 Hours, GoogleG,  Apr 28 {  8:24am, 2019 }:12^(PDT)  XʁРC
      Democrats are FAKE GREEN, pretending.

Steve Carroll replied ( to me ):
> > Democrats are doing everything in their power to make sure that
> > we can't afford a doctor or a wife.
> 
> I thought you were MGTOW?

Yes, I'm MGTOW; and, yes, I don't spend money on healthcare.

I'm not complaining, quite the opposite, but neither 
Trump nor Biden have any solutions to this "problem".

Rednecks aren't evil racists; family first, nation first.
Democrats are the worst, in my opinion, because there're 
more hypocritical than Karl Marx himself.

First, they denounce " Big Oil ", " think of the children ";
then they tax+regulate the poor, leaving them with nothing but 
food stamps and a tent, just like our forefathers envisioned.

They're FAKE GREEN, pretending.
Sustainable Consumption is greener then manic windmills; 
but it'll never happen because they call it "depression".

Nothing would be greener than lower, more sustainable wages, and
higher interest rates, to promote savings and discourage borrowing/spending.
■
              SteveCarroll  7a1cfac0-8c53-4e3d-8dd5-aa27bc585151@googlegroups.com
            TheSnitBot  gigs47Fhlu0U5@mid.individual.net
          SteveCarroll  d7082ad8-64db-44e0-b7b6-0b642e90a4a1@googlegroups.com
        AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  q9vpnq$g43$5@dont-email.me
      SteveCarroll  587be332-e975-464c-9dc9-3360cb4bd653@googlegroups.com
    Ratchetjaw│ratchetjaw@mail_com  u1ixE.646603$Y49.572743@fx46.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.28--7.08am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m85 Cool; 9.6 Minutes, slrn➤Linux, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Apr 28 {  6:38am, 2019 }:34  XʁϾʚ
      Marx literally fucked his underlings.

So far, the 2020 presidential race is all strawmen;
rednecks are portrayed as cross-burning white supremacists.

Democrats are doing everything in their power to make sure that
we can't afford a doctor or a wife.

Like Karl Marx himself, they say one thing and then do the opposite;
Marx literally fucked his underlings.
■
            Kensi  q9r8sh$ku3$1@gioia.aioe.org
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.24--9.05pm.Seattle.2019
        BenJacoby  q9t7vu$138n$1@gioia.aioe.org
      Avenging_Angel│Not_fucking_  XnsAA3ED69D0BB97greyghost471bazinga@144.76.35.198
    Kensi  qa37ge$4gd$8@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.28--6.34am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Talk.Politics.Guns, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m144 Top; 9.6 Hours, NewsTap➤iPad, Aioe.ORG,  Apr 27 {  8:43pm, 2019 }: 3^(2)  Xʁʝȵ
      Keep telling us that you're a genius, and we're idiots.

Kensi:
> I have a Ph.D. in physics, you imbecile !

Keep telling us that you're a genius, and we're idiots;
that'll win us over.

Joining the latest apocalypse cult doesn't make you look very smart.

First, the Democrats denounce " Big Oil ", " think of the children ";
then they tax+regulate the poor, leaving them with nothing but 
food stamps and a tent, just like our forefathers envisioned.

Stronger unions will not solve the problem of a shrinking planet,
increasing competition, and unaffordable doctors/wives.

Most people are FAKE GREEN, pretending.
Sustainable Consumption is greener then manic windmills; 
but it'll never happen because we call it "depression".

Nothing would be greener than lower, more sustainable wages, and
higher interest rates, to promote savings and discourage borrowing/spending.
■
      HerbertGlazier  de58ab40-7972-42ca-bd14-8ba07518da1b@googlegroups.com
    SamWormley  7a6018da-5585-4e9e-bf1b-ead5ff7a2a2e@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.27--6.34pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m67 Cool; 24.2 Minutes, GoogleG,  Apr 27 {  5:35pm, 2019 }:57^(PDT)  Xʁɽჳ
      0.07 degrees Celsius per decade.

Sam Wormley:
> Warmer Oceans is the Big Scare.

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              RonB│ronb02NOSPAM@gmail_com  q9ui6b$joh$1@dont-email.me
            ScottDoty  gig1d7Fbnp5U1@mid.individual.net
          RonB│ronb02NOSPAM@gmail_com  q9ve0j$hm$3@dont-email.me
        ScottDoty  giihsjFrtigU4@mid.individual.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.27--8.40am.Seattle.2019
    ScottDoty  gik7ssF9n1bU1@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.27--5.37pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m81 Top; 27.6 Minutes, Pan, Individual.NET,  Apr 27 {  4:45pm, 2019 }:33  Xʁɵξ
      The intent of the SpamBot.

Scott Doty:
> You assholes are trying to google-seed me.
> groups.google.com/forum/#!search/Scott$20Doty

No one but an extreme USENET dweeb, one in a thousand,
would ever dream of doing such a search.

I didn't know that such a search was even possible; 
I thought I'd have to specify a newsgroup.

The search is useless anyways, because of the SpamBot;
in fact, that's the intent of the SpamBot, most likely.

> You assholes want to chill my speech.  You can't handle it.
> You'd like to make things "difficult" for me IRL.

I welcome your posts, I read every single one;
I have no desire to hide your ( ill-informed ) opinions.

Jesus was neither a bigot, nor a warmonger.
Not every redneck Christian is a cross-burning, white supremacist.

> I can do that, too.
> But I won't, because I'm not an asshole like you are.

Do it, I'd like to see you try.
My lifelong fan base consists of zero people, ± zero.
■
              AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  q9vpnq$g43$5@dont-email.me
            SteveCarroll  587be332-e975-464c-9dc9-3360cb4bd653@googlegroups.com
          AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  qa03v7$8l6$4@dont-email.me
        RonB│ronb02NOSPAM@gmail_com  qa094f$uq9$1@dont-email.me
      AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  qa0e5f$gsn$3@dont-email.me
    SteveCarroll  1e829872-cbe1-4979-a5c0-0613a6057512@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.27--11.52am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 4  m179 Mad; 1.9 Hours, GoogleG,  Apr 27 {  8:26am, 2019 }: 6^(PDT)  XʁYɾ
      Food Stamps and a Tent.

Steve Carroll mentioned:
> Biden's kick off video, Youtube.COM/watch?v=eVaJzhAjjrY

He's slandering rednecks, calling them Nazis, white supremacists.

What does that have to do with the fact that 
no one can afford a semi-decent doctor, or a wife ?

First, the Democrats denounce " Big Oil ", " think of the children ";
then they tax+regulate the poor, leaving them with nothing but 
food stamps and a tent, just like our forefathers envisioned.

Stronger unions will not solve the problem of a shrinking planet,
increasing competition, and unaffordable doctors/wives.

Most people are FAKE GREEN, pretending.
Sustainable Consumption is greener then manic windmills; 
but it'll never happen because we call it "depression".

Nothing would be greener than lower, more sustainable wages, and
higher interest rates, to promote savings and discourage borrowing/spending.
■
              ScottDoty  gig9g8Fd3lcU1@mid.individual.net
            SteveCarroll  869796d2-83ab-4721-8c8e-0977b0f254ee@googlegroups.com
          ScottDoty  giif93FrtigU2@mid.individual.net
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.27--8.19am.Seattle.2019
      SteveCarroll  3800c9fc-01a6-4002-8a5c-fc60f23a7b0b@googlegroups.com
    Beedle│Beedle@dont-email_me  0001HW.2274C48E002AADC470001054A2EF@news.giganews.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.27--10.51am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m85 Dropped; 9.3 Minutes, Hogwasher, Giganews.COM,  Apr 27 { 10:10am, 2019 }:38^(-7)  XʁpФ
      Lost in the cosmos of your mind.

In "Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy", Beedle wrote:
> Only two or three common sense people in the whole dam group.

Let me guess... You, TheSnitBot, ChisV, Scott Doty, Hugh Huntzinger.

> Dumb fucks like [ Steve Carroll ] make me want to find a new planet.

You're already gone, lost somewhere in the cosmos of your mind.
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              ScottDoty  gig1d7Fbnp5U1@mid.individual.net
            AndrzejMatuch  BxCwE.755035$Dk1.674675@fx41.iad
          RonB│ronb02NOSPAM@gmail_com  q9ve2a$hm$4@dont-email.me
        ScottDoty  gih3inFd3lcU3@mid.individual.net
      RonB│ronb02NOSPAM@gmail_com  q9vn61$54t$1@dont-email.me
    ScottDoty  giijl3FrtigU6@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.27--9.09am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m79 Top; 5.9 Hours, Pan, Individual.NET,  Apr 27 {  1:53am, 2019 }:56  Xʀზჲ
      God/Nature occupies heaven and hell.

Scott Doty:
> [Jesus] addressed His prayers: " Our Father, who art in Heaven, ... ".

God/Nature occupies heaven and hell.
■
              BranimirMaksimovic  9oCwE.135363$QT2.14880@fx16.am4
            AndrzejMatuch  iACwE.755036$Dk1.142886@fx41.iad
          RonB│ronb02NOSPAM@gmail_com  q9viha$4di$4@dont-email.me
        AndrzejMatuch  8PIwE.178931$Dp5.31062@fx27.iad
      TheSnitBot  gih832FkahsU1@mid.individual.net
    ScottDoty  giii86FrtigU5@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.27--8.58am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m79 Top; 6.3 Hours, Pan, Individual.NET,  Apr 27 {  1:29am, 2019 }:58  Xʀგჴ
      If the left didn't have the full force of the government...

Scott Doty wrote:
> The fascinating part of these extremists is they don't recognize 
> themselves as such -- it's everybody _else_ that's the problem.
> Anyone left of Mussolini is a "liberal" or "LIB'RUL!" or "LEFTIST!!!"

If the left didn't have the full force of the government,
guns and all, no one would give a shit.

First, they denounce " Big Oil ",
and decry what it's doing to " the children ",
then they tax&regulate the living shit out of the poor.

The poor are left with nothing but food stamps and a tent.

Stronger unions will not solve the problem of a shrinking planet,
increasing competition, and doctors/wives that would not give a fuck,
even if we could afford them ( we can't ).

Most people are FAKE GREEN, pretending.
Sustainable Consumption is greener then manic windmills; 
but it'll never happen because we call it "depression".

Nothing would be greener than lower, more sustainable wages, and
higher interest rates, to promote savings and discourage borrowing/spending.
■
              SteveCarroll  eb10f34d-b49b-4c83-b075-d80ec18a6b38@googlegroups.com
            ScottDoty  gifuhcFas4aU1@mid.individual.net
          RonB│ronb02NOSPAM@gmail_com  q9ui6b$joh$1@dont-email.me
        ScottDoty  gig1d7Fbnp5U1@mid.individual.net
      RonB│ronb02NOSPAM@gmail_com  q9ve0j$hm$3@dont-email.me
    ScottDoty  giihsjFrtigU4@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.27--8.40am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 3  m79 Top; 6.4 Hours, Pan, Individual.NET,  Apr 27 {  1:23am, 2019 }:48  Xʀბც
      Scott Doty the zealot.

Scott Doty:
> Am I talking to a brick wall ?

You are the brick wall, Scott.  You're the zealot.

Jesus always talked in metaphors, e.g. "children before dogs".
Family first.  Nation first.  He didn't call her a dog.

> I get the feeling that my efforts are being wasted.

Warren Buffett measures success by how many people like him;
by that measure, I'm a total failure.

I measure success by how many people I understand.
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            ScottDoty  gig67lFcqreU1@mid.individual.net
          BranimirMaksimovic  CEBwE.576723$coJ.305621@fx36.am4
        ScottDoty  gig9g8Fd3lcU1@mid.individual.net
      SteveCarroll  869796d2-83ab-4721-8c8e-0977b0f254ee@googlegroups.com
    ScottDoty  giif93FrtigU2@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.27--8.19am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 5  m79 Top; 7.1 Hours, Pan, Individual.NET,  Apr 27 {   :39am, 2019 }:15  XʀъΥ
      Scott Doty would slander Jesus, if he could.

Scott Doty would slander Jesus, if he could.

Jesus didn't have to serve all comers, no matter who;
selectivity is not a fault; family first.

Does Scott let anyone wander into his home, to take whatever they want;
does he give priority to Blacks and Hispanics ?

There has been war in the Middle East, NonStop, for 3 thousand years;
Jesus denouncing it, doesn't make him the perpetrator.
■
              MsNadegda  q9qlrh$ah3$70@dont-email.me
            Skeeter│chico@invalid_invalid  MPG.372a8968437fdc3c2346@news.eternal-september.org
          MsNadegda  q9qmm4$ah3$78@dont-email.me
        Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.372d42ffe2d21f06996f87@news.altopia.com
      Libtard│libtard@sandernistas_  qa0a01$k1i$1@news.mixmin.net
    MsNadegda  qa0pcu$i08$9@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.27--0.31am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m161 Cool; 47.8 Minutes, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Apr 26 { 10:30pm, 2019 }: 6  Xʀе6
      Steve Carroll, DFS, Owl, RonB, Fabian Russell, John Gohde, Me Sham.

Ms Nadegda:
> Time to expand our operation, methinks.  Relf is a colorful kook.
> Perhaps it's time to invade his home froup 
> in case there are more like him there.  Mwa ha ha ...  <snicker>

"Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy" people you probably haven't met:

  Steve Carroll  660bb59d-5e7b-4da8-b6d7-4268330a7717@googlegroups.com
  DFS    kQ6kE.18422$434.14401@fx29.iad
  Owl    s9zb03ga.hu48@rooftop.invalid
  RonB   q9ve2a$hm$4@dont-email.me
  Fabian Russell  q9o5mu12lme@news1.newsguy.com
  John Gohde   dcc333f2-6992-4a69-9a19-10f29f370bd6@googlegroups.com
  Me Sham   b1443e1b-ebdd-49f2-9350-3bb3dc697d4f@googlegroups.com
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              Beedle│beedle@dont-email_me  0001HW.22725530001094E970000E2D22EF@news.giganews.com
            TheSnitBot  giem43F346vU6@mid.individual.net
          Beedle│Beedle@dont-email_me  0001HW.2272ABA800053A74700000EB62EF@news.giganews.com
        AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  q9vn0l$vql$2@dont-email.me
      Beedle│beedle@dont-email_me  0001HW.22739AE9000EA908700003ED82EF@news.giganews.com
    AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  q9vq9e$n2f$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.26--5.10pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m209 Mad; 42.4 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Apr 26 {  1:39pm, 2019 }: 8^(-6)  XʀηΝ
      Venezuela's inflation to reach 10 million % in 2019.

AnonLinuxUser:
> GESARA is about 209 countries signing into international law of 
> financial compliance.  Basically about all currencies being 
> reset and based on a gold standard.  

That's the far out, spacey Fantasy/BedTimeStory;
if reality interests you, read on.

Quoting Antulio Rosales for " The Globe and Mail ", March 4, 2019:

  I went into a store last week on Sabana Grande 
  boulevard in Caracas, and asked how much a shirt cost. 

  " 22 [US] dollars ", the clerk responded, without hesitation. 

  Unlike previous years, this was a common scene
  during my most recent visit to Venezuela. 

  Regular people such as taxi drivers, waiters, 
  auto mechanics, as well as professionals 
  such as dentists, doctors and lawyers are now 
  operating in U.S. dollars.    

  For the past several weeks, customers paying with 
  international credit cards got a better rate in 
  stores than if they sold their dollars on the black market,
  which was common practice for many Venezuelans. 

  The government has kept currency controls for over 16 
  years that stimulated black markets and enormous 
  gains for the select group of businesses that can get 
  a hold of hard currency sold cheaply by the government. 

  The government’s control over oil wealth 
  allowed it to use hard currency to reward and punish 
  businesses and redirect wealth to cronies. 

  Corruption scandals have been widespread 
  in the food import business. 

  In turn, the distribution of subsidized 
  food remains the government’s main social policy
  and tool for political control.    

  More people are calculating their incomes and costs in dollars,
  but those who only hold bolivares are getting hit the worst. 
  Inflation is expected to reach 10 million per cent in 2019.    
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              ScottDoty  gifuhcFas4aU1@mid.individual.net
            RonB│ronb02NOSPAM@gmail_com  q9ui6b$joh$1@dont-email.me
          ScottDoty  gig1d7Fbnp5U1@mid.individual.net
        AndrzejMatuch  BxCwE.755035$Dk1.674675@fx41.iad
      RonB│ronb02NOSPAM@gmail_com  q9ve2a$hm$4@dont-email.me
    ScottDoty  gih3inFd3lcU3@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.26--2.50pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m72 Top; 2.1 Hours, Pan, Individual.NET,  Apr 26 {   :13pm, 2019 }:27  XʀΡɗ
      Friends and Family first, right ?

Scott Doty wrote:
> Jesus dissed her, even called her a dog.

Friends and Family first, right ?

Otherwise, you might as will give me all your money now;
stop being so parochial, tied up in your own little world,
prejudiced against anyone who's not close to you.

Trump won rural America.  " Rat Utopia " experiments indicate:
dense communities have too many attackers, too much vice.

First, males stop guarding mothers ( too many attackers );
then mothers stop raising kids ( again, too many attackers ).

Macau, China, has the lowest fertility rate ( births/woman );
the poorest and most rural parts of Africa have the highest.
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              AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  q9t1sk$h49$10@dont-email.me
            SteveCarroll  660bb59d-5e7b-4da8-b6d7-4268330a7717@googlegroups.com
          AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  q9tckq$ni5$2@dont-email.me
        SteveCarroll  cc2c8665-05ff-458f-95bf-aca8b093ae12@googlegroups.com
      Ratchetjaw│ratchetjaw@mail_com  lZDwE.191930$mF2.73242@fx01.iad
    SteveCarroll  b1fd739e-17cd-4401-bbe4-8dfa463d0fa4@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.26--9.23am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 3  m164 Mad; 1.3 Hours, GoogleG,  Apr 26 {  7:51am, 2019 }:25^(PDT)  Xʀʔζ
      Beedle's talking points are not the same as Snit's.

Beedle's talking points are not the same as Snit's.

Beedle focuses on healthcare, maternity leave, and Jeff Bezos.

Both Beedle and Snit would kill the rich,
as was done in Cuba and Venezuela.

Civil War is a real possibility in Venezuela, Saudi Arabia,
North Korea, China and Russia -- dissent is not allowed.
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      ScottDoty  gig67lFcqreU1@mid.individual.net
    BranimirMaksimovic  CEBwE.576723$coJ.305621@fx36.am4
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.26--8.35am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 5  m72 Top; 3.6 Hours, slrn➤Linux, HighWinds➤Usenet-News.NET,  Apr 26 {  4: 8am, 2019 }:18  Xʀɯʊ
      Continuous war for 3+ thousand years.

> > you are sons of those who murdered the prophets. 
> > Fill up, then, the measure of your fathers’ sins! 
> > All these things will come on this generation !
> 
> That didn't happen...

What didn't happen ?
Continuous war for 3+ thousand years ?
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              Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.372b11c77e7d9ff8996f54@news.altopia.com
            Kensi  q9u1e1$659$8@gioia.aioe.org
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.25--10.01pm.Seattle.2019
        Kensi  q9u3vi$m1m$1@gioia.aioe.org
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.25--11.44pm.Seattle.2019
    MsNadegda  q9u9tl$7md$9@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.26--0.18am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 1  m158 Mad; 21 Secs, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Apr 25 { 11:53pm, 2019 }:41  XʀȺუ
      FAKE GREEN.

Stronger unions will not solve the problem of a shrinking planet,
increasing competition, and doctors/wives that would not give a fuck,
even if we could afford them ( we can't ).

Most people are FAKE GREEN, pretending.
Sustainable Consumption is greener then manic windmills; 
and it will never happen if we call it a "depression".

Nothing would be greener than lower, more sustainable wages, and
higher interest rates, to promote savings and discourage borrowing/spending.
■
              Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.3729a0c08d3162bf996f2f@news.altopia.com
            MsNadegda  q9qkbe$ah3$60@dont-email.me
          Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.372b11c77e7d9ff8996f54@news.altopia.com
        Kensi  q9u1e1$659$8@gioia.aioe.org
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.25--10.01pm.Seattle.2019
    Kensi  q9u3vi$m1m$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.25--11.44pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 1  m147 Top; 39 Secs, NewsTap➤iPad, Aioe.ORG,  Apr 25 { 10:12pm, 2019 }:12^(2)  XʀqC
      A bedtime story for Cortez' imaginary kids.

" The Green New Deal Resolution " is less believable than Dumbo,
the flying elephant; it's a bedtime story for Cortez' imaginary kids.

Kensi replied ( to me ):
> > high-quality health care;  Who's going to pay for it ?
> 
> Who paid for it during the 1950s and 1960s?

You mean back when a man had 6 kids, a doting housewife, 
a big house, a big car, pets, and a super-friendly doctor ?

Yeah, I remember those times.

Today, that guy has zero kids, no wife, no maid, no sex, 
and no one is doting on him, certainly not a high-and-mighty doctor.

> Hint: what was the top marginal tax rate on the rich then ?
> How much bigger were unions then ?  The public sector ? 
> How less monopolized were the markets for essential things ?

Your " governmental bliss " fairytale has nothing to do with reality;
the world has shrunk, competition has increased,
and a ReHeated lunch, from an mad/opressed worker, costs 20$.

Trump won rural America.  " Rat Utopia " experiments indicate:
dense communities have too many attackers, too much vice.

First, males stop guarding mothers ( too many attackers );
then mothers stop raising kids ( again, too many attackers ).

Macau, China, has the lowest fertility rate ( births/woman );
the poorest and most rural parts of Africa have the highest.

> > Empowered bureaucrats are not superior to empowered capitalists.
> 
> Empowered capitalists have brought the world to the brink of destruction 
> (and to the brink of war). They've had their shot and they fucked up 
> big-time. I'll take empowered bureaucrats over more of the status quo 
> any day. But the idea is to *balance* them against one another, and 
> against other factions besides.

When I ask you for an example, you always tell me blue-eyed Finland;
so now you're there, in your utopia; meanwhile, most of the world 
prefers metaphorical "Bangladesh" instead.

> > " Working collaboratively with farmers and ranchers in the United States
> >    to eliminate pollution and greenhouse gas emissions from the
> >    agricultural sector as much as is technologically feasible. "
> > 
> > Because nothing is more popular than
> > taking food from the mouths of the poorest.
> 
> Disingenuous, since you *know* the Green New Deal wants to do the 
> opposite of that -- you even quoted it!

What they want to do, and what they actually do, are direct opposites.

First they vilify " Big Oil ", then they make the poorest pay for it.

Nothing would be greener than lower, more sustainable wages, and
higher interest rates, to promote savings and discourage borrowing/spending;
compared to this (above) windmills are nothing.
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        Kensi  q9tt3p$1psf$1@gioia.aioe.org
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.25--9.31pm.Seattle.2019
    Kensi  q9u3k9$e4p$13@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.25--10.16pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 2  m147 Top; 6.7 Minutes, NewsTap➤iPad, Aioe.ORG,  Apr 25 { 10: 6pm, 2019 }:12^(2)  XʀpC
      Sustainable Consumption is greener than manic windmills.

Kensi replied ( to me ):
> > Nothing would be greener than lower, more sustainable wages, and
> > higher interest rates, to promote savings and discourage borrowing/spending;
> > compared to this (above) windmills are nothing.
> 
> That's a recipe for deflationary depression, k00k.

Sustainable Consumption is greener than manic windmills.
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              MsNadegda  q9nqpm$ah3$37@dont-email.me
            Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37291570484850d6996efe@news.altopia.com
          MsNadegda  q9ojrh$ah3$52@dont-email.me
        Kensi  q9ra77$ku3$9@gioia.aioe.org
      BenJacoby  q9t7gf$1195$1@gioia.aioe.org
    Kensi  q9u23d$e4p$2@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.25--10.10pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Talk.Politics.Guns, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 4  m145 Top; 23.5 Minutes, NewsTap➤iPad, Aioe.ORG,  Apr 25 {  9:40pm, 2019 }: 8^(2)  Xʀk϶
      Everyone had a reason to lie; and lie they did.

Kensi wrote:
> So, your position is that the burden of proof should be "beyond a 
> reasonable doubt" before taking negative information about a candidate 
> into consideration at his JOB INTERVIEW?!

Everyone had a reason to lie; and lie they did.

Kavanaugh was a obnoxious drunk; typical frat boy.

Ford was drunk too; typical sorority girl.
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              Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.372975c1f8e8a431996f14@news.altopia.com
            mixed_nuts│melopsitticus  q9onhp$1hmm$2@gioia.aioe.org
          Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.3729a0c08d3162bf996f2f@news.altopia.com
        MsNadegda  q9qkbe$ah3$60@dont-email.me
      Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.372b11c77e7d9ff8996f54@news.altopia.com
    Kensi  q9u1e1$659$8@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.25--10.01pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 3  m140 Top; 10.8 Minutes, NewsTap➤iPad, Aioe.ORG,  Apr 25 {  9:28pm, 2019 }:44^(2)  XʀiЪ
      Empowered bureaucrats are not superior to empowered capitalists.

Kensi:
> Green_New_Deal_Resolution

" Guaranteeing a job with a family-sustaining wage, 
  adequate family and medical leave, paid vacations, 
  and retirement security to all people of the United States. "

Because nothing says " lower carbon dioxide emissions " like 
higher wages, working less than Asians, and more babies.

" Providing all people of the United States with: 

    (i) high-quality health care; 
   (ii) affordable, safe, and adequate housing; 
  (iii) economic security; 
   (iv) access to clean water, clean air, healthy 
        and affordable food, and nature. "

Who's going to pay for it ?

Empowered bureaucrats are not superior to empowered capitalists.
           [...]
" Working collaboratively with farmers and ranchers in the United States
  to eliminate pollution and greenhouse gas emissions from the
  agricultural sector as much as is technologically feasible. " 

Because nothing is more popular than 
taking food from the mouths of the poorest.
■
    Kensi  q9tt3p$1psf$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.25--9.31pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 3  m133 Top; 1.1 Hours, NewsTap➤iPad, Aioe.ORG,  Apr 25 {  8:14pm, 2019 }:59^(2)  XʀWΔ
      Lower, more sustainable wages.

Kensi:
> How Much Ice Has Greenland Lost to Climate Change ?
> trillions of tons

Nothing would be greener than lower, more sustainable wages, and
higher interest rates, to promote savings and discourage borrowing/spending;
compared to this (above) windmills are nothing.
■
              SteveCarroll  1f9e2032-e4e0-4ede-8887-524e26243b4f@googlegroups.com
            Beedle│beedle@dont-email_me  0001HW.22724FC3000F4F6070000E2D22EF@news.giganews.com
          SteveCarroll  0249021b-6782-4c6b-9aa9-999cf87c5879@googlegroups.com
        Beedle│beedle@dont-email_me  0001HW.22725530001094E970000E2D22EF@news.giganews.com
      TheSnitBot  giem43F346vU6@mid.individual.net
    Beedle│Beedle@dont-email_me  0001HW.2272ABA800053A74700000EB62EF@news.giganews.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.25--9.16pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    -Dropped, 39.3 Minutes, Hogwasher, Giganews.COM,  Apr 25 {  7:59pm, 2019 }:52^(-7)  XʀTხ
      America lost to China&Russia in Vietnam.

Beedle:
> China is working towards creating a Yuan-Gold futures instrument 
> to facilitate the buying of oil without the US dollar.

America lost to China&Russia in Vietnam, 
North Korea, Cuba and (now) Venezuela.

Criticize Saudi Arabia, Russia or China, and you might vanish;
if you're lucky, you might reemerge on TV reading a confession,
shaking, with tears in your eyes.

In China, it's illegal to access Wikipedia.
Make an obnoxious post, and your cell phone might stop working;
take your phone to the police and they'll "fix" it for you.

In places like Tibet and XinJiang, 
locals have been put in prison for using a VPN.
■
              SergIo│invalid@invalid_com  q9r73l$e3o$1@gioia.aioe.org
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.24--8.38pm.Seattle.2019
          AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  q9so0c$mke$7@dont-email.me
        Beedle│beedle@dont-email_me  0001HW.22724386000C714270000E2D22EF@news.giganews.com
      SergIo│invalid@invalid_com  q9t38j$etq$1@gioia.aioe.org
    Beedle│beedle@dont-email_me  0001HW.22724CF4000EA70570000E2D22EF@news.giganews.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.25--5.21pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 4  m89 Dropped; 3.3 Hours, Hogwasher, Giganews.COM,  Apr 25 {  1:15pm, 2019 }:48^(-7)  Xɿაϓ
      The United States doesn't have to do anything for Venezuela.

Beedle replied ( to SergIo ):
> > so you don't like being on the winning side, THE USA,
> 
> This isn’t a sport, it’s a country.

Cuba and Venezuela don't have to do anything for the United States;
they've plenty of other friends, like Canada, Russia and China.

Likewise, The United States doesn't have to do anything for Venezuela.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.24--7.09pm.Seattle.2019
            Beedle│Beedle@dont-email_me  0001HW.227153A2000766F07000016002EF@news.giganews.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.24--8.28pm.Seattle.2019
        Beedle│Beedle@dont-email_me  0001HW.227199600017BF767000016002EF@news.giganews.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.25--6.49am.Seattle.2019
    Beedle│beedle@dont-email_me  0001HW.22721F130003E64D70000E2D22EF@news.giganews.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.25--1.12pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m59 Dropped; 34.5 Minutes, Hogwasher, Giganews.COM,  Apr 25 { 10:  am, 2019 }: 3^(-7)  Xɿа3
      Nothing is greener than lower, more sustainable wages.

Beedle:
> United States interfers in Venezuela's affairs 
> in an attempt to control their vast oil.

People like Castro and Chavez aren't the best healthcare providers.
November 2017, the United States's UN ambassador, Nikki Haley,
accused Venezuela of being a 'dangerous narco-state'.

Where prohibition is strong, like in Cuba and the Philippines,
police officers run the narco-monopolies.
Drugs are bad, prohibition is worse.

> > What makes you think the government would
> > run healthcare better than me, or anyone else ?
> 
> Thanks to my jet, I won’t be paying any taxes for years to come.

On YouTube, I see wealthy dudes who do NOT charter jet/prop planes,
even if they own them, unless it's cheaper than flying commercial.

Basically, they're penny pinchers when it comes to anything
other than their young wives; there are tax incentives to spoil them.
The government wants us to borrow&spend money now, not save.

Nothing is greener than lower, more sustainable wages, and
high interest rates, to promote savings and discourage borrowing;
compared to this (above) windmills are nothing.

> I’m talking about life saving drugs and medical care. 
> And unless you want to die, you’ll pay me whatever the fuck I 
> say you will pay me. I have patents, and they are world wide.
> You have two choices, pay me, or kiss your ass goodbye.

Life isn't fair.
If my life depends on you, and you give me the thumbs down, then that's it.
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              Beedle│Beedle@dont-email_me  0001HW.22713EDC0002888E7000016002EF@news.giganews.com
            Skeeter│chico@invalid_invalid  MPG.372abdfd32b9d0f82363@news.eternal-september.org
          Beedle│Beedle@dont-email_me  0001HW.22714B2B00056B157000016002EF@news.giganews.com
        AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  q9r991$pvh$5@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.24--9.42pm.Seattle.2019
    AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  q9soem$mke$10@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.25--11.03am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 14  m167 Mad; 45.1 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Apr 25 {  9:49am, 2019 }:28^(-6)  XɿЮɘ
      Are you in the suburbs, urban, or rural ?

Do you ever buy stuff online, AnonLinux ?

If so, how do you do it without a checking account ?

Are you in the suburbs, urban, or rural ?
■
              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.24--3.24pm.Seattle.2019
            Beedle│Beedle@dont-email_me  0001HW.22713FBE0002BD7A7000016002EF@news.giganews.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.24--7.09pm.Seattle.2019
        Beedle│Beedle@dont-email_me  0001HW.227153A2000766F07000016002EF@news.giganews.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.24--8.28pm.Seattle.2019
    Beedle│Beedle@dont-email_me  0001HW.227199600017BF767000016002EF@news.giganews.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.25--6.49am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 4  m59 Dropped; 5.9 Hours, Hogwasher, Giganews.COM,  Apr 25 {   :29am, 2019 }:36^(-7)  XɿΤპ
      Kick out the rich, take their place.

Beedle replied ( to me ):
> > You're a missionary for The Church of ObamaCare,
> > holding your tin cup out, as I walk by.
> 
> you will need to see a doctor. You will need care.

Last 30 years, I haven't needed it.

What makes you think the government would
run healthcare better than me, or anyone else ?

" Kick out the rich, take their place. "
hasn't worked so well in Venezuela or Cuba.
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        Kensi  q9r8sh$ku3$1@gioia.aioe.org
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.24--9.05pm.Seattle.2019
    Kensi  q9rbr5$101o$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.24--9.58pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Talk.Politics.Guns, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 9  m129 Top; 41.3 Minutes, NewsTap➤iPad, Aioe.ORG,  Apr 24 {  9: 8pm, 2019 }: 1^(2)  Xɿʡɹ
      Kensi is not the United States government.

Kensi replied ( to me ):
> > You're asking me to pay more taxes, and conform to more regulations.
> > I respectfully decline.
> 
> Then the police will somewhat less respectfully haul your ass off to 
> jail for tax evasion.  That wouldn't have been my choice, but eh, 
> each to their own ...

You are not the United States government;
you don't even live here.
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              Beedle│beedle@dont-email_me  0001HW.227118B2001670B770000FA0D2EF@news.giganews.com
            Skeeter│chico@invalid_invalid  MPG.372aacc6128f637f2358@news.eternal-september.org
          Beedle│Beedle@dont-email_me  0001HW.22713EDC0002888E7000016002EF@news.giganews.com
        Skeeter│chico@invalid_invalid  MPG.372abdfd32b9d0f82363@news.eternal-september.org
      Beedle│Beedle@dont-email_me  0001HW.22714B2B00056B157000016002EF@news.giganews.com
    AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  q9r991$pvh$5@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.24--9.42pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 3  m150 Cool; 54.8 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Apr 24 {  8:24pm, 2019 }:25^(-6)  XɿʚP
      I'm confused.

AnonLinuxUser wrote:
> I woke up a long time ago, working for NSA; believe me,
> it was a very rude awakening to the harsh facts of life.

You said you had no Social Security Number, and no checking account.

Then Snit said he knew what your social security number was.

I'm confused.
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              TheSnitBot  gic455FglicU4@mid.individual.net
            Skeeter│chico@invalid_invalid  MPG.372a8a2831f3105c2349@news.eternal-september.org
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.24--3.24pm.Seattle.2019
        Beedle│Beedle@dont-email_me  0001HW.22713FBE0002BD7A7000016002EF@news.giganews.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.24--7.09pm.Seattle.2019
    AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  q9r9i9$pvh$7@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.24--9.29pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 6  m150 Cool; 49.9 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Apr 24 {  8:29pm, 2019 }:20^(-6)  Xɿʚю
      HealthCare must be 90% of the University's budget.

AnonLinuxUser replied ( to me ):
> > If I find myself in need of a hospital,
> > and they're willing to service me, fine;
> > it's THEIR CHOICE, NOT MINE.
> 
> They have to any way.  It's the law.
>   
> Of course there have been a few hospitals 
> that just folded up, mostly because of just that.

That is the least of my worries.

The medical facilities here, where I live,
at the University of Washington, NorthEast Seattle,
are so vast, and so wealthy, it blows my mind.

Judging by the size of it, the healthcare buildings,
it must be 90% of the University's budget.
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    Kensi  q9r8sh$ku3$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.24--9.05pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Talk.Politics.Guns, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m123 Top; 1.8 Minutes, NewsTap➤iPad, Aioe.ORG,  Apr 24 {  8:17pm, 2019 }:32^(2)  Xɿʘლ
      Yet another apocalypse cult.

Kensi:
> Only a general strike will force action on climate change.

You're asking me to pay more taxes, and conform to more regulations.
I respectfully decline.

You're a missionary for yet another apocalypse cult,
holding your tin cup out, as I walk by.
I respectfully decline.

Remove all the wealthy people from our country, 
like Castro and Hugo Chavez did, in Cuba and Venezuela,
and they'll be THE NEW IDIOTS ON THE BLOCK.
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              PaulAlsing  4917d9c1-33e7-4670-92fb-bb95b35dc095@googlegroups.com
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.23--11.05pm.Seattle.2019
          Beedle│beedle@dont-email_me  0001HW.2270BE0B0001319370000FA0D2EF@news.giganews.com
        MrChrisV  4l81cep0q7fi08im6c72rpt1cu3ikthfa2@4ax.com
      Beedle│beedle@dont-email_me  0001HW.2270E10E0009665770000FA0D2EF@news.giganews.com
    SergIo│invalid@invalid_com  q9r73l$e3o$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.24--8.38pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 4  m125 Cool; 32.1 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win7, Aioe.ORG,  Apr 24 {  7:47pm, 2019 }:11^(-5)  Xɿʓх
      When done, you'll just have different idiots at the top.

Beedle wrote:
> You guys can’t handle the truth Re: Jeff Bezos.
> The wealthy don’t care about you.

Remove all the wealthy people from our country, 
like Castro and Hugo Chavez did, in Cuba and Venezuela.

When done, you'll just have different idiots at the top,
to wit: Castro and Hugo Chavez.
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              TheSnitBot  gic455FglicU4@mid.individual.net
            Skeeter│chico@invalid_invalid  MPG.372a8a2831f3105c2349@news.eternal-september.org
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.24--3.24pm.Seattle.2019
        Beedle│Beedle@dont-email_me  0001HW.22713FBE0002BD7A7000016002EF@news.giganews.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.24--7.09pm.Seattle.2019
    Beedle│Beedle@dont-email_me  0001HW.227153A2000766F07000016002EF@news.giganews.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.24--8.28pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m24 Dropped; 47.2 Minutes, Hogwasher, Giganews.COM,  Apr 24 {  7:32pm, 2019 }: 2^(-7)  Xɿʑɺ
      I respectfully decline.

Beedle replied ( to me ):
> > I don't vote.  I can't imagine a scenario where my vote would count.
> > If I find myself in need of a hospital,
> > and they're willing to service me, fine; it's THEIR CHOICE, NOT MINE.
> 
> You don’t seem to grasp the concept of “country”. 
> Yes, you are an individual.  You are also part of a country.
> 
> People die for the flag. 
> They sacrifice their lives for the idea of country. 
> I find you simply unacceptable. Move to Mexico. 
> You don’t belong here.

You're asking me to pay higher insurance premiums.
I respectfully decline.

You're a missionary for The Church of ObamaCare,
holding your tin cup out, as I walk by.
I respectfully decline.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.24--3.24pm.Seattle.2019
            Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  pko1ceh4un9tbg4rhtfvif6vlidfrj38ad@4ax.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.24--4.09pm.Seattle.2019
        Beedle│Beedle@dont-email_me  0001HW.2271402E0002D7AB7000016002EF@news.giganews.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.24--7.21pm.Seattle.2019
    Beedle│Beedle@dont-email_me  0001HW.2271549C0007A1917000016002EF@news.giganews.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.24--8.09pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m52 Dropped; 21.4 Minutes, Hogwasher, Giganews.COM,  Apr 24 {  7:36pm, 2019 }:12^(-7)  XɿʒC
      Amazon takes parental leave so seriously, even spouses get paid time off.

Beedle:
> Did you find the story about the pregnant mother, with a doctors note,
> who was docked for prenatal care ? 

No, I read something about contract shippers/drivers.

Google: Amazon parental leave

  " Amazon takes parental leave so seriously, 
    even spouses get paid time off. "
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              FabianRussell  q9o5mu12lme@news1.newsguy.com
            AndrzejMatuch  QcNvE.581050$li7.142987@fx40.iad
          MrChrisV  7ej0cepos3d32fql8g9qangdo5n08oqkhu@4ax.com
        ScottDoty  gic5fhFgg3jU2@mid.individual.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.24--4.44pm.Seattle.2019
    AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  q9r453$5md$4@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.24--7.34pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╳ 12  m140 Cool; 26.2 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Apr 24 {  6:56pm, 2019 }:59^(-6)  XɿʋΔ
      Nazis who now target "the deep state", instead of Jews.

AnonLinuxUser replied ( to me ):
> > The German government, 1939, gassed the Jews;
> > why would a government gas its own, " the deep state " ?
> 
> Interesting point.  But not sure what you are getting at.

Scott Doty accused Fox and Steve Carroll of being
Nazis who now target "the deep state", instead of Jews.
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              TheSnitBot  gic455FglicU4@mid.individual.net
            Skeeter│chico@invalid_invalid  MPG.372a8a2831f3105c2349@news.eternal-september.org
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.24--3.24pm.Seattle.2019
        Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  pko1ceh4un9tbg4rhtfvif6vlidfrj38ad@4ax.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.24--4.09pm.Seattle.2019
    Beedle│Beedle@dont-email_me  0001HW.2271402E0002D7AB7000016002EF@news.giganews.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.24--7.21pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m36 Dropped; 3.3 Minutes, Hogwasher, Giganews.COM,  Apr 24 {  6: 9pm, 2019 }: 2^(-7)  XɿʃΗ
      I want them to take their time, relax.

Beedle replied ( to me ):
> > Package delivery people don't have time for potty breaks;
> > men use bottles, women use buckets; if they took a potty break,
> > they couldn't meet their quota, and they'd be fired.
> 
> You think that's funny ?

No, I'm NOT an Amazon Prime member.
I always choose free shipping, the slowest.
I want them to take their time, relax.
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              Skeeter│chico@invalid_invalid  MPG.372a5473e585d5cd232b@news.eternal-september.org
            Beedle│beedle@dont-email_me  0001HW.2270E2540009B2A970000FA0D2EF@news.giganews.com
          TheSnitBot  gic455FglicU4@mid.individual.net
        Skeeter│chico@invalid_invalid  MPG.372a8a2831f3105c2349@news.eternal-september.org
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.24--3.24pm.Seattle.2019
    Beedle│Beedle@dont-email_me  0001HW.22713FBE0002BD7A7000016002EF@news.giganews.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.24--7.09pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m36 Dropped; 5.2 Minutes, Hogwasher, Giganews.COM,  Apr 24 {  6: 7pm, 2019 }:10^(-7)  Xɿʃȼ
      I can't imagine a scenario where my vote would count.

Beedle replied ( to me ):
> > I only walk on 9% of my floor; the rest is occupied by other stuff.
> > The 91% should not be jealous of the 9%; everything serves a purpose.
> > We need toilet cleaners just as much as we need MacKenzie Bezos.
> 
> Is that the message, burned into your brain,
> when someone questions your value ?

One day, at age 19, I complained to my boss about my lowly status;
he told me: " Everyone has a role to play. "; he was right.

> Are you a Trump 'tard, Jeff; did you vote for him ? 

I don't vote.
I can't imagine a scenario where my vote would count.

If I find myself in need of a hospital,
and they're willing to service me, fine;
it's THEIR CHOICE, NOT MINE.
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            AndrzejMatuch  qILvE.451905$MH.318972@fx38.iad
          FabianRussell  q9o5mu12lme@news1.newsguy.com
        AndrzejMatuch  QcNvE.581050$li7.142987@fx40.iad
      MrChrisV  7ej0cepos3d32fql8g9qangdo5n08oqkhu@4ax.com
    ScottDoty  gic5fhFgg3jU2@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.24--4.44pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m61 Top; 33.9 Minutes, Pan, Individual.NET,  Apr 24 {  3:15pm, 2019 }:13  XɿɦΣ
      Why would a government gas its own, " the deep state " ?

Scott Doty mentioned:
> google seeding

Google "Scott Doty", nothing from Google Groups shows up.

The German government, 1939, gassed the Jews;
why would a government gas its own, " the deep state " ?
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              .  4917d9c1-33e7-4670-92fb-bb95b35dc095@googlegroups.com
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.23--11.05pm.Seattle.2019
          Beedle│beedle@dont-email_me  0001HW.2270BE0B0001319370000FA0D2EF@news.giganews.com
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.24--9.39am.Seattle.2019
      Beedle│beedle@dont-email_me  0001HW.2270CFAE000553D270000FA0D2EF@news.giganews.com
    ScottDoty  gic6mrFgg3jU3@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.24--4.19pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m61 Top; 12.9 Minutes, Pan, Individual.NET,  Apr 24 {  3:36pm, 2019 }:12  XɿɪC
      Everyone, from the poorest to the richest, is important.

Scott Doty replied ( to me ):
> > > MacKenzie Bezos earned every dime ( ha ha );
> > > if she were a man, she would've learned twice as much ( ha ha ).
> > >
> > > You chase money like a whore, covet like a rapist,
> > > and pretend to be green.
> 
> Whoever you are, I like the cut of your jib.

Thanks.

Everyone, from the poorest to the richest, is important.
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              Skeeter│chico@invalid_invalid  MPG.372a5473e585d5cd232b@news.eternal-september.org
            Beedle│beedle@dont-email_me  0001HW.2270E2540009B2A970000FA0D2EF@news.giganews.com
          TheSnitBot  gic455FglicU4@mid.individual.net
        Skeeter│chico@invalid_invalid  MPG.372a8a2831f3105c2349@news.eternal-september.org
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.24--3.24pm.Seattle.2019
    Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  pko1ceh4un9tbg4rhtfvif6vlidfrj38ad@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.24--4.09pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m25 Dropped; 20.5 Minutes, F_Agent, Alt.NET,  Apr 24 {  3:28pm, 2019 }:32^(-4)  XɿɨО
      We need toilet cleaners.

Greg:
> > We need toilet cleaners just as much as we need MacKenzie Bezos.
> 
> More than half the world doesn't have toilets.
> I myself used a cedar bucket for 30 some odd years.

So ? We still need toilet cleaners.

Package delivery people don't have time for potty breaks;
men use bottles, women use buckets; if they took a potty break, 
they couldn't meet their quota, and they'd be fired.
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              AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  q9ohon$vq0$4@dont-email.me
            MrChrisV  m5k0celr8vnkb943san44k4hkv7rb78ij6@4ax.com
          Skeeter│chico@invalid_invalid  MPG.372a5473e585d5cd232b@news.eternal-september.org
        Beedle│beedle@dont-email_me  0001HW.2270E2540009B2A970000FA0D2EF@news.giganews.com
      TheSnitBot  gic455FglicU4@mid.individual.net
    Skeeter│chico@invalid_invalid  MPG.372a8a2831f3105c2349@news.eternal-september.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.24--3.24pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m121 Mad; 13.7 Minutes, MicroPlanet, Eternal-September.ORG,  Apr 24 {  2:59pm, 2019 }:25^(-6)  Xɿɣდ
      The 91% should not be jealous of the 9%.

TheSnitBot:
> No matter what you do as a person, the bottom 99% is losing out.

I only walk on 9% of my floor; the rest is occupied by other stuff.

The 91% should not be jealous of the 9%;
everything serves a purpose.

We need toilet cleaners just as much as we need MacKenzie Bezos.
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              JimPennino  oeu3pf-arg.ln1@mail.specsol.com
            Thomas_PointedEars_Lahn│  419266d4-1cb0-ad14-a5c1-d8372a2576e5@PointedEars.de
          JimPennino  5hc4pf-97i.ln1@mail.specsol.com
        Thomas_PointedEars_Lahn│  f2b4fd35-1bd0-5f8d-2f7c-6ac3faf0819c@PointedEars.de
      JimPennino  vbg6pf-8po.ln1@mail.specsol.com
    Thomas_PointedEars_Lahn│  9350a0be-03eb-f83a-8fe2-be6459893692@PointedEars.de
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.24--2.56pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m32 Cool; 56.3 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤X11, Cust.Swisscom.CH➤Bgeserver.DE,  Apr 24 {  1:46pm, 2019 }:37^(2)  XɿɗУ
      "Eternal-Stupidity.COM" is not the only game in town.

Thomas Lahn drooled:
> I would rather report your network abuse to your service provider so that
> your account will be terminated and *all* your abuse will finally stop.

"Eternal-Stupidity.COM" is not the only game in town.

  News.US.Usenet-News.NET:119  or  usNews.BlockNews.NET:119 
  
  They won't censor you; they don't even keep the "Path:" line,
  so you can't be identified.  Their archive is over 15 years deep.
  $5 buys you 11 gigs, enough for several life times.
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              Beedle│Beedle@dont-email_me  0001HW.227019CC000EEF237000071CF2EF@news.giganews.com
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.23--10.08pm.Seattle.2019
          Beedle│beedle@dont-email_me  0001HW.2270C4570002AB7570000FA0D2EF@news.giganews.com
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.24--10.17am.Seattle.2019
      BenJacoby  q9qhcf$1jvb$1@gioia.aioe.org
    Beedle│beedle@dont-email_me  0001HW.227105A30011F92970000FA0D2EF@news.giganews.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.24--2.36pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m42 Dropped; 11.8 Minutes, Hogwasher, Giganews.COM,  Apr 24 {  1:59pm, 2019 }:15^(-7)  Xɿəщ
      Trump's largest donor was himself.

Beedle:
> How about we give candidates a certain amount of airtime for free.

Hillary outspent Trump, especially when it comes to TV,
and most of her money came from large donors ( 1.2$ billion );
Trump's largest donor was himself ( 66$ million ).

> They each get equal time and access.

How are you going to stop the Democrats from talking about Trump ?
It'd take a lot of guns, and a lot of bullets, let me tell you.
In the end, Trump was the only person people were thinking of.

> Throw the fucking electoral college out the window and get donors out.

Hillary was the one with all the donors, you idiot.

Trump won rural America.  " Rat Utopia " experiments indicate:
dense communities have too many attackers, too much vice.

First, males stop guarding mothers ( too many attackers );
then mothers stop raising kids ( again, too many attackers ).

Macau, China, has the lowest fertility rate ( births/woman );
the poorest and most rural parts of Africa have the highest.
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              SergIo│invalid@invalid_com  q9om5s$1dfc$1@gioia.aioe.org
            Beedle│Beedle@dont-email_me  0001HW.227019CC000EEF237000071CF2EF@news.giganews.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.23--10.08pm.Seattle.2019
        Beedle│beedle@dont-email_me  0001HW.2270C4570002AB7570000FA0D2EF@news.giganews.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.24--10.17am.Seattle.2019
    Beedle│beedle@dont-email_me  0001HW.2270E2240009A79470000FA0D2EF@news.giganews.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.24--0.36pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m30 Dropped; 45.9 Minutes, Hogwasher, Giganews.COM,  Apr 24 { 11:27am, 2019 }:48^(-7)  Xɿȶϓ
      True-Green, Sustainability.

Beedle:
> The balloon is going to bust.  It’s not sustainable. 
> You’ll come to realize this is true one way or another.

If Detroit could've accepted less pay, 
to compete with Japan and Germany, 
it wouldn't be the hellhole it is now.

This is true-green, sustainability; 
not above-market pay, not windmills.
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              Beedle│Beedle@dont-email_me  0001HW.226FF9260007485F7000071CF2EF@news.giganews.com
            AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  q9ohon$vq0$4@dont-email.me
          SergIo│invalid@invalid_com  q9om5s$1dfc$1@gioia.aioe.org
        Beedle│Beedle@dont-email_me  0001HW.227019CC000EEF237000071CF2EF@news.giganews.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.23--10.08pm.Seattle.2019
    Beedle│beedle@dont-email_me  0001HW.2270C4570002AB7570000FA0D2EF@news.giganews.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.24--10.17am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m23 Dropped; 28.6 Minutes, Hogwasher, Giganews.COM,  Apr 24 {  9:20am, 2019 }:39^(-7)  Xɿhʟ
      The government wants me to borrow/spend more, not save.

The government wants me to borrow/spend more, not save;
last hundred years, this has worked fairly well.

I've had no need for healthcare, nor insurance, last 30 years;
because it's ridiculous, and ridiculously expensive;
ObamaCare just exacerbates this.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.23--5.05pm.Seattle.2019
            Beedle│Beedle@dont-email_me  0001HW.226FE9C50003AD807000071CF2EF@news.giganews.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.23--6.41pm.Seattle.2019
        .  4917d9c1-33e7-4670-92fb-bb95b35dc095@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.23--11.05pm.Seattle.2019
    Beedle│beedle@dont-email_me  0001HW.2270BE0B0001319370000FA0D2EF@news.giganews.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.24--9.39am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m20 Dropped; 19.1 Minutes, Hogwasher, Giganews.COM,  Apr 24 {  8:53am, 2019 }:47^(-7)  Xɿcჩ
      You chase money like a whore, covet like a rapist, and pretend to be green.

Beedle replied ( to me ):
> > Amazon's average pay: 59$ K/year; median pay: 28$ K/year.
> > 613 thousand employees and untold contractors.
> 
> Amazon paid warehousers so little they 
> had to get food stamps to eat. 
> You come out with averages.  What a fucking idiot. 

I posted the median pay too.
Do you know what "median" means ?

I also posted what contractors make, and what programmers make,
including stock options.  I'm a lifelong professional programmer;
I can't believe what programmers are making these days, it's obscene.

You don't qualify for food stamps if you're earning 15$/hour, 
20 hours/week.  You might get some, if you only work 10 hours/week, 
but it wouldn't be much... maybe 15$/month.

> Why do you cover for an asshole ?
> You look up to pricks I guess.

Nonsense, MacKenzie Bezos earned every dime ( ha ha );
if she were a man, she would've learned twice as much ( ha ha ).

You chase money like a whore, covet like a rapist, and pretend to be green.
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              Kensi  q9m7a0$bge$1@gioia.aioe.org
            Skeeter│chico@invalid_invalid  MPG.3728f78b544ea9a422df@news.eternal-september.org
          MsNadegda  q9nqm9$ah3$36@dont-email.me
        Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.372912dd4110ec6d996efd@news.altopia.com
      MsNadegda  q9oi3u$ah3$49@dont-email.me
    Kensi  q9okvq$16t2$4@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.23--11.16pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Talk.Politics.Guns, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 3  m122 Top; 1.8 Hours, NewsTap➤iPad, Aioe.ORG,  Apr 23 {  8:25pm, 2019 }:43^(2)  XɾРɧ
      MGTOW aren't trying to hook up with you.

> > [ purple hair ] is an effective MGTOW repellent.
> 
> Hmm. Maybe I should get mine dyed. 
> Even here in Finland some guys are creeps.

MGTOW, such as myself, aren't trying to hook up with you.

Creepy Greg has been banished to a remote cabin;
so he shouldn't be a worry.

Macau, China, has the lowest fertility rate ( births/woman );
the poorest and most rural parts of Africa have the highest.
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              .  gi9bnrFsqkaU1@mid.individual.net
            .  0001HW.226FC01C0013FD0E700007DB82EF@news.giganews.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.23--5.05pm.Seattle.2019
        Beedle│Beedle@dont-email_me  0001HW.226FE9C50003AD807000071CF2EF@news.giganews.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.23--6.41pm.Seattle.2019
    PaulAlsing  4917d9c1-33e7-4670-92fb-bb95b35dc095@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.23--11.05pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m30 Cool; 7.5 Minutes, GoogleG,  Apr 23 { 10: 5pm, 2019 }:52^(PDT)  Xɾаხ
      Getting paid in stock.

Amazon's average pay:  59$ K/year; median pay:  28$ K/year.
613 thousand employees and untold contractors.

Some Amazon Flex workers make $18 to $25 per hour, 
but they don’t get benefits, overtime, or 
compensation for being injured on the job.  

Typical entry-level pay for a software engineer
is about 86$ K/year but can reach 177$ K at Amazon,
191$ K at LinkedIn, and 203$ K at Apple.  

By one estimate, current and former Lyft employees 
now collectively own $1.5 billion in stock. 
The same is true at Apple, Amazon, and Tesla.
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              Enes_Richard│pies_na_teorie@vp_  a8d9bd03-83a9-4022-a404-252d26643bd7@googlegroups.com
            MichaelMoroney  q9i8mk$6hb$1@pcls7.std.com
          Enes_Richard│pies_na_teorie@vp_  a303c5af-5691-4d20-b7e8-eaa794aded27@googlegroups.com
        PaulAlsing  1baed36d-097c-4d11-98d6-3f87b9dbbb7d@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.23--6.58am.Seattle.2019
    PaulAlsing  001cb537-2114-4cf3-829b-2e8f20eed64c@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.23--10.20pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 3  m30 Cool; 1.2 Hours, GoogleG,  Apr 23 {  9: 2pm, 2019 }:57^(PDT)  XɾЦΒ
      The center of mass of a binary star system is (empty) space.

Paul Alsing:
> the term "empty center of mass" is not used in physics.

The center of mass of a binary star system is (empty) space,
you pedantic shit.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.23--5.05pm.Seattle.2019
            BenJacoby  q9oevr$fvt$1@gioia.aioe.org
          Beedle│Beedle@dont-email_me  0001HW.226FF9260007485F7000071CF2EF@news.giganews.com
        AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  q9ohon$vq0$4@dont-email.me
      SergIo│invalid@invalid_com  q9om5s$1dfc$1@gioia.aioe.org
    Beedle│Beedle@dont-email_me  0001HW.227019CC000EEF237000071CF2EF@news.giganews.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.23--10.08pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m29 Dropped; 47.3 Minutes, Hogwasher, Giganews.COM,  Apr 23 {  9:13pm, 2019 }:  ^(-7)  XɾШy
      When did your money-lust first manifest itself ?

Beedle replied ( to SergIo ):
> > Beedle is a covet-er, full of envy
> 
> I bet I have more than you are the other idiot combined.

Which makes your envy even more sinful.

Also, it means you're not as green as they are.

When did your money-lust first manifest itself ?
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              .  gi9871Fs2guU1@mid.individual.net
            .  0001HW.226FA6C3000E0C28700007DB82EF@news.giganews.com
          .  gi9bnrFsqkaU1@mid.individual.net
        .  0001HW.226FC01C0013FD0E700007DB82EF@news.giganews.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.23--5.05pm.Seattle.2019
    Beedle│Beedle@dont-email_me  0001HW.226FE9C50003AD807000071CF2EF@news.giganews.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.23--6.41pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m1 Dropped; 42.1 Minutes, Hogwasher, Giganews.COM,  Apr 23 {  5:48pm, 2019 }: 5^(-7)  Xɾ϶5
      No one ever got rich by demanding more than he was worth.

Although my income is well below the poverty level,
I pay over 10% sales tax on everything I buy on Amazon.

Amazon pays all kinds of taxes; every city in America wants them.
New York City can't get them because they demand more than they're worth.
No one ever got rich by demanding more than he was worth.

Amazon employees make a shit-ton of money, you have no idea, Beedle.

Chasing money is a bad idea.

Investors love Amazon, and vice versa.

Yes, MacKenzie Bezos is rich, so what ?

Thou shalt not covet.
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              TheSnitBot  gi972fFrnc4U2@mid.individual.net
            Beedle│beedle@dont-email_me  0001HW.226FA114000CB70F700007DB82EF@news.giganews.com
          TheSnitBot  gi9871Fs2guU1@mid.individual.net
        Beedle│beedle@dont-email_me  0001HW.226FA6C3000E0C28700007DB82EF@news.giganews.com
      TheSnitBot  gi9bnrFsqkaU1@mid.individual.net
    Beedle│beedle@dont-email_me  0001HW.226FC01C0013FD0E700007DB82EF@news.giganews.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.23--5.05pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m10 Shifty; 7.1 Minutes, Hogwasher, Giganews.COM,  Apr 23 {  2:50pm, 2019 }:20^(-7)  Xɾσʌ
      Green with envy, chasing the green, pretending to be green.

Beedle:
> less than 50 people collectively have the wealth of 150 
> million Americans combined.  Yeah, that’s a fair system.

You're green with envy, chasing the green, pretending to be green.
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              AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  q9njbq$rdr$1@dont-email.me
            Beedle│beedle@dont-email_me  0001HW.226F997A000AEF1D700007DB82EF@news.giganews.com
          TheSnitBot  gi972fFrnc4U2@mid.individual.net
        Beedle│beedle@dont-email_me  0001HW.226FA114000CB70F700007DB82EF@news.giganews.com
      MrChrisV  gjqube5e953ra4ltknlivv7dsbc11pm233@4ax.com
    Beedle│beedle@dont-email_me  0001HW.226FA737000E276F700007DB82EF@news.giganews.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.23--5.00pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 4  m10 Shifty; 1.9 Hours, Hogwasher, Giganews.COM,  Apr 23 {  1: 4pm, 2019 }: 7^(-7)  Xɾαϵ
      Who's going to pay for it ?

Beedle:
> I’d much rather have a universal healthcare. 
> Let’s solve this problem once and for all.

Last 30 years, I spent nothing on insurance premiums,
and nothing on medical services.

Medical care is expensive, who's going to pay for it ?
Maybe you say "the rich" but there aren't enough of them
to give everyone real, decent care.

Quoting Dr. Golpa’s "g4ByGolpa.COM/cost/" ( g4 implants ):

  In the US, the average cost for the All-on-4 dental implant procedure
  is 59 thousand dollars for a full-mouth restoration.

  99.9% of facilities in the world make an acrylic denture 
  that lasts a few years or even months. 

  A metal substructure, usually titanium or zirconia, is "permanent".
  g4 implants are permanently secured, 90% chewing ability.
  From 39 to 52 thousand dollars, Full Mouth.

  Entire process completed at ONE location, 24-hour transformation.

I don't have any pain, no fever, nor anything like that;
so, if I were to get it, it would be for aesthetic reasons.
Perfect teeth would make me look younger/richer, but uncanny.
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              .  q9l53g$ah3$27@dont-email.me
            .  NYWdnaTp_LiUuCPBnZ2dnUU7-RHNnZ2d@giganews.com
          .  MPG.3727e18c91fb14ce2290@news.eternal-september.org
        .  q9m7a0$bge$1@gioia.aioe.org
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.23--6.27am.Seattle.2019
    SteveCarroll  a7119ef4-9884-4968-98ce-4c6361b41dd9@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.23--9.49am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 2  m127 Cool; 4.9 Minutes, GoogleG,  Apr 23 {  7: 2am, 2019 }: 6^(PDT)  Xɾʌɾ
      For some, vice is a religion; I don't support it.

Where do losers go when suburbia kicks them out ?

They come to the big city, where the food is free;
and I'm okay with that, I love the " garage aesthetic ".

For some, vice is a religion; I don't support it.
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              ScottDoty  gi6sg6Fbk7nU1@mid.individual.net
            Owl  s9zb03ga.hu48@rooftop.invalid
          ScottDoty  gi71obFd68iU1@mid.individual.net
        Owl  sozb03ga.hu4@rooftop.invalid
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.22--7.46pm.Seattle.2019
    Owl  sz8v883ag3.nug9a@rooftop.invalid
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.23--7.19am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 2  m57 Top; 22.3 Minutes, BadRig, Alt.NET, Boom.Rooftop,  Apr 23 {  6:44am, 2019 }:43  Xɾʉʣ
      Where's the ESC key ?

Have you (Owl) used "vim" on an android ?

If so, what does your keyboard layout look like ?

Where's the ESC key ?
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              Enes_Richard│pies_na_teorie@vp_  a5b6f492-0034-44ac-bcbb-ff41e883d72d@googlegroups.com
            PaulAlsing  dc2b3e32-0d55-485e-b26c-903c143aef99@googlegroups.com
          Enes_Richard│pies_na_teorie@vp_  a8d9bd03-83a9-4022-a404-252d26643bd7@googlegroups.com
        MichaelMoroney  q9i8mk$6hb$1@pcls7.std.com
      Enes_Richard│pies_na_teorie@vp_  a303c5af-5691-4d20-b7e8-eaa794aded27@googlegroups.com
    PaulAlsing  1baed36d-097c-4d11-98d6-3f87b9dbbb7d@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.23--6.58am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m28 Cool; 8.9 Hours, GoogleG,  Apr 22 {  9: 8pm, 2019 }:56^(PDT)  XɾfΑ
      Binary Stars orbit an "empty center of mass".

Paul Alsing:
> in any globular cluster *no* stars orbit an "empty center of mass", 
> this is physically impossible... 

Binary Stars orbit an "empty center of mass".
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            Kensi  q9je8i$e89$1@gioia.aioe.org
          JimPennino  dne1pf-879.ln1@mail.specsol.com
        Thomas_PointedEars_Lahn│  ddcd485b-2e3d-3eb5-cb20-b315197fb7ac@PointedEars.de
      JimPennino  1nn1pf-e2a.ln1@mail.specsol.com
    Thomas_PointedEars_Lahn│  cddff8ca-e5cd-b0aa-21ff-f30bfd3c30b9@PointedEars.de
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.23--6.51am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, News.Software.Readers, Alt.Free.Newsservers, Alt.OS.Linux, Alt.Privacy.Anon-Server
    ╱ 1  m27 Cool; 2.7 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤X11, Cust.Swisscom.CH➤Bgeserver.DE,  Apr 23 {  3:16am, 2019 }:38^(2)  XɾɦФ
      Eternal-Stupidity.ORG

Thomas Lahn barfed:
> Your "From:" line might be in violation of Terms Of Use
> of your service provider, " Eternal-Stupidity.ORG ".
> As a result, your account there could be terminated without notice.

No one in their right mind would put 
an email address in their "From:" line.

Do NOT post using an INN server, they'll censor you;
instead, use a binary server; to wit:
  
  News.US.Usenet-News.NET:119  or  usNews.BlockNews.NET:119 
  
  They won't censor you; they don't even keep the "Path:" line,
  so you can't be identified.  Their archive is over 15 years deep.
  $5 buys you 11 gigs, enough for several life times.
  If one is down ( -very- unlikely ), use the other one.
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              Kensi  q9jokg$1n7g$2@gioia.aioe.org
            Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.372717f7669d3562996ed7@news.altopia.com
          MsNadegda  q9l53g$ah3$27@dont-email.me
        ！Sir_Greg  NYWdnaTp_LiUuCPBnZ2dnUU7-RHNnZ2d@giganews.com
      Skeeter│chico@invalid_invalid  MPG.3727e18c91fb14ce2290@news.eternal-september.org
    Kensi  q9m7a0$bge$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.23--6.27am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 2  m119 Top; 7.7 Hours, NewsTap➤iPad, Aioe.ORG,  Apr 22 { 10:19pm, 2019 }:57^(2)  Xɾrɵ
      The rural side wins.

Kensi:
> If your side starts a second civil war our side will win 
> simply by not being composed largely of geriatric dementia patients
> who think it's still the 1950s.  *snicker*

The division is rural vs urban ( red vs blue states );
not old vs young, not rich vs poor.

Historically, the rural side wins.

Trump won rural America.  " Rat Utopia " experiments indicate:
dense communities have too many attackers, too much vice.

First, males stop guarding mothers ( too many attackers );
then mothers stop raising kids ( again, too many attackers ).

Macau, China, has the lowest fertility rate ( births/woman );
the poorest and most rural parts of Africa have the highest.
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              SteveCarroll  066b5f7e-a056-4972-828e-fb2491503250@googlegroups.com
            TheSnitBot  gi6qvlFbupiU2@mid.individual.net
          ScottDoty  gi6sg6Fbk7nU1@mid.individual.net
        Owl  s9zb03ga.hu48@rooftop.invalid
      ScottDoty  gi71obFd68iU1@mid.individual.net
    Owl  sozb03ga.hu4@rooftop.invalid
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.22--7.46pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╳ 1  m56 Top; 21.2 Minutes, BadRig, Alt.NET, Boom.Rooftop,  Apr 22 {  7:14pm, 2019 }:55  XɾMʯ
      What is "vim" like on an android ?

Owl wrote:
> downloaded Android Studio ( and a vim plugin )

What is "vim" like on an android ?

Jeff-Relf.Me/MouseKeyboardLayout.PNG
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              MrChrisV  3hbrbe9rtf3lf69f7hraugqjnedbnif0fo@4ax.com
            SteveCarroll  066b5f7e-a056-4972-828e-fb2491503250@googlegroups.com
          TheSnitBot  gi6qvlFbupiU2@mid.individual.net
        ScottDoty  gi6sg6Fbk7nU1@mid.individual.net
      Owl  s9zb03ga.hu48@rooftop.invalid
    SteveCarroll  8a601bcd-8a4b-4505-9ff0-8b58fdf8701e@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.22--5.03pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m124 Cool; 1.7 Minutes, GoogleG,  Apr 22 {  4:39pm, 2019 }:46^(PDT)  Xɽჲϑ
      Honest men get pruned from the tree of life.

Steve Carroll:
> [Scott] may not be as honest as I'd assumed.

Honest men get pruned from the tree of life.
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              RonB│ronb02NOSPAM@gmail_com  q9j3ob$7in$1@dont-email.me
            RonB│ronb02NOSPAM@gmail_com  q9j4i7$9j4$1@dont-email.me
          MrChrisV  3hbrbe9rtf3lf69f7hraugqjnedbnif0fo@4ax.com
        SteveCarroll  066b5f7e-a056-4972-828e-fb2491503250@googlegroups.com
      TheSnitBot  gi6qvlFbupiU2@mid.individual.net
    ScottDoty  gi6sg6Fbk7nU1@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.22--3.21pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m54 Top; 4.6 Minutes, Pan, Individual.NET,  Apr 22 {  3:11pm, 2019 }:18  Xɽუь
      The state is about to round up and gas the " deep state " ?

Scott Doty:
> "Deep State" is a new dog whistle for the wingnuts, signifying the 
> conspiracy that in 30's Germany was referred to as "the Jewish conspiracy".

You "think" the state is about to round up and gas the " deep state " ?
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        Kensi  q9je8i$e89$1@gioia.aioe.org
      Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.3726ec79b954ddc8996ed0@news.altopia.com
    Kensi  q9jokg$1n7g$2@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.22--8.37am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Talk.Politics.Guns, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m118 Top; 6.2 Hours, NewsTap➤iPad, Aioe.ORG,  Apr 21 { 11:57pm, 2019 }:19^(2)  XɽΞΩ
      Demanding higher insurance premiums.

Kensi:
> CO2 going up by a factor of 1.5 in less than one century is hardly 
> "normal", ko0kt4rd.  Even the PETM spike was not quite *this* fast. 

The geological record isn't that detailed.

  56 million years ago (@PETM), the Arctic was tropical, not icy;
  then and there, we primates first appeared.  3 million years later,
  we were most everywhere.  22 million years later, the poles froze.

  4.5 billion years ago, the surface of earth was molten.
  13.8 billion years ago, The Known Universe was infinitely hot.

Kensi is out on the streets, with the Mormon missionaries, 
protesters, and beggars, demanding higher insurance premiums.

Last 30 years, I spent nothing on insurance premiums,
no medical services.

Quoting Dr. Golpa’s "g4ByGolpa.COM/cost/" ( g4 Implants ):

  Permanently secured, 90% chewing ability.
  Entire process completed at ONE location, 24-hour transformation.
  From 39 to 52 thousand dollars, Full Mouth.

  In the US, the average cost for the All-on-4 dental implant procedure
  is 59 thousand dollars for a full-mouth restoration.

  99.9% of facilities in the world make an acrylic denture 
  that lasts mere months. 

  A metal substructure, usually made of titanium or zirconia,
  is "permanent".

I don't have any pain, no fever, or anything like that;
so, if I were to get it, it would be for aesthetic reasons.
Perfect teeth would make me look younger/richer, but less folksy.
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        Kensi  q9e68t$1ua2$1@gioia.aioe.org
      BenJacoby  q9fbsj$118n$1@gioia.aioe.org
    SergIo│invalid@invalid_com  q9hfff$1ri$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.21--4.43am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Talk.Politics.Guns, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m128 Cool; 26.6 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win7, Aioe.ORG,  Apr 21 {  3: 8am, 2019 }:48^(-5)  Xɼუʨ
      chasing the green, pretending to be green.

" Extinction Rebellion " is green with envy, 
chasing the green, pretending to be green.
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    Kensi  q9gs7a$1g8u$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.21--4.36am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Talk.Politics.Guns, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m117 Top; 5.9 Hours, NewsTap➤iPad, Aioe.ORG,  Apr 20 {  9:39pm, 2019 }:55^(2)  XɼЬϛ
      What more could a plant ask for ? !

Kensi's apocalypse cult repeated:
> IN THE PAST 150 years, the concentration of carbon dioxide in the 
> atmosphere has risen from 280 parts per million (ppm) to 410 ppm:

More rain, more carbon dioxide, warmer weather,
tropical Arctics... What more could a plant ask for ? !

56 million years ago (@PETM), the Arctic was tropical, not icy;
then and there, we primates first appeared.  3 million years later,
we were most everywhere.  22 million years later, the poles froze.

4.5 billion years ago, the surface of earth was molten.
13.8 billion years ago, The Known Universe was infinitely hot.
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              Enes_Richard│pies_na_teorie@vp_  a5b6f492-0034-44ac-bcbb-ff41e883d72d@googlegroups.com
            PaulAlsing  dc2b3e32-0d55-485e-b26c-903c143aef99@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.20--3.36pm.Seattle.2019
        PaulAlsing  ae19362d-db48-400d-b53a-71309a0a1e03@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.20--5.57pm.Seattle.2019
    PaulAlsing  aa6c7cd8-d82f-449b-8ccf-2fa691bbc887@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.21--4.24am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 3  m31 Cool; 7.1 Hours, GoogleG,  Apr 20 {  8:27pm, 2019 }:54^(PDT)  XɼРϚ
      Quantum Gravity.

LIGO first decided what it wanted to see, then saw it.
The Event Horizon Telescope did the same thing.
If I wanted to see faces on Mars, I'd see them.

The science isn't nearly as settled as you think it is, Paul Alsing.

Paul:
> Well, you are several decades behind the times 
> because the physics of black holes is well understood...
> wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_hole

Stop projecting. You're the one that's decades behind, not me.

Quoting from your link, above: <<

  Although general relativity can be used to perform a 
  semi-classical calculation of black hole entropy, 
  this situation is theoretically unsatisfying.

  In statistical mechanics, entropy is understood as 
  counting the number of microscopic configurations of 
  a system that have the same macroscopic qualities 
  ( such as mass, charge, pressure, etc. ).  

  Without a satisfactory theory of quantum gravity,
  one cannot perform such a computation for black holes.   >>

"TON 618" is the most massive black hole known to man;
we see it as it was 10.4 billion years ago.

12.5 billion years ago, quasar J2157-3602 had 
the luminosity of 695 trillion suns ( 2.66×10^41 Watts ).

695 trillion suns.

As entropy increases, our universe gets less "dense/hot/powerful".

In physics, entropy is how evenly  heat/matter  are distributed.
The  hot/dense  sun is dissipating into the  cold/sparse  void;
i.e. "entropy" (uniformity) is increasing, the sun is evaporating.

Lambda, the cosmological "constant", is growing.

Compared to the concordance model ( Lambda-CDM ), the Big Rip 
now seems more likely, given recent evidence from "the quasar era"
that shows that the (growing) Hubble "Constant" was then LESS (72.5)
than one at the ( cosmologically older ) "Type Ia supernova era" (73.24),
and MORE than the one at the CMBR (67.66), near the start of the Big Bang.

" Is Dark Energy Getting Stronger ? ", by PBS Space Time, Mar 20, 2019:
  Youtube.COM/watch?v=tAtVgHvt05M

> > Lots of people I know, including astrophysicists,
> > invent incredible amounts of bullshit and try to pass it off as science.
> 
> Really? Name 2 of those astrophysicists that you know who invent bullshit, 
> I would like to read their work.  I'll bet you can't.

Stephen Hawking (RIP) and Brian Greene talk about " Many (random) Worlds "
as if it were plausible.

The Copenhagen interpretation, " Shut up and calculate ", is still mainstream;
yet pop sci-fi fan boys, such as yourself,
transformed it into " Many (random) Worlds ".

This is your " subatomic God " ( your God of shadows );
tiny little particles, flexing their muscles,
like Mighty Mouse, to spit out entire universes, one after another.

> You have made brazen claims here about black holes
> but you have provided ZERO evidence to support your position. 

I said "we don't know"; nothing "brazen".

> Your assertions are not proof of anything,
> so save your breath and get busy finding
> actual evidence to show that black holes do not exist... if you can.

I'll do that right after you prove that 
the " flying spaghetti monster " doesn't exist.
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              Enes_Richard│pies_na_teorie@vp_  5c0d72c7-6e93-4815-92b7-9549800c7452@googlegroups.com
            MichaelMoroney  q9djtq$c2k$1@pcls7.std.com
          Enes_Richard│pies_na_teorie@vp_  a5b6f492-0034-44ac-bcbb-ff41e883d72d@googlegroups.com
        PaulAlsing  dc2b3e32-0d55-485e-b26c-903c143aef99@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.20--3.36pm.Seattle.2019
    PaulAlsing  ae19362d-db48-400d-b53a-71309a0a1e03@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.20--5.57pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics
    ╳ 1  m28 Cool; 1.2 Minutes, GoogleG,  Apr 20 {  5:38pm, 2019 }:17^(PDT)  Xɼϴʉ
      No one knows the physics of " black holes ".

Paul Alsing replied ( to me ):
> > WikiPedia's " Black Star, SemiClassical Gravity "
> 
> this article is now 10 years old,
> so it is pretty clear that this theory is going nowhere...

Doesn't matter; my point is:

  No one knows the physics of " black holes ".

Black Holes anger me because the science-fiction community
uses them to pass off bullshit as if it were settled science.
They do the same with quantum mechanics.

Lots of people I know, including astrophysicists,
invent incredible amounts of bullshit and try to pass it off as science.
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      SergIo│invalid@invalid_com  q9fuph$1lro$1@gioia.aioe.org
    BenJacoby  q9g617$lku$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.20--3.52pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 3  m237 Top; 17.2 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Aioe.ORG,  Apr 20 {  3:21pm, 2019 }:28^(-4)  Xɼψι
      Ben Jacoby hasn't progressed to "steam engine" science.

You ( Ben Jacoby ) haven't progressed to "steam engine" science;
likely, you never will.  Entropy is not "conserved";
you've confused the first and second laws of thermodynamics.

Entropy accrues, eternally, without beginning or end.
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              Enes_Richard│pies_na_teorie@vp_  273e781b-3808-4d56-b2bf-ea079c982cda@googlegroups.com
            MichaelMoroney  q9cv9t$6hs$2@pcls7.std.com
          Enes_Richard│pies_na_teorie@vp_  5c0d72c7-6e93-4815-92b7-9549800c7452@googlegroups.com
        MichaelMoroney  q9djtq$c2k$1@pcls7.std.com
      Enes_Richard│pies_na_teorie@vp_  a5b6f492-0034-44ac-bcbb-ff41e883d72d@googlegroups.com
    PaulAlsing  dc2b3e32-0d55-485e-b26c-903c143aef99@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.20--3.36pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m27 Cool; 29.5 Minutes, GoogleG,  Apr 20 {  2:49pm, 2019 }:48^(PDT)  Xɼσɬ
      No one knows the physics of " black holes " ( Black Stars ).

No one knows the physics of " black holes " ( Black Stars ).

Quoting Scientific American's " Portrait of a Black Hole ", May 21, 2013 
＜＜

  we do not even know for certain 
  whether black holes really exist.

  Astronomers have detected objects in the sky that are 
  sufficiently massive and compact that, 
  if Einstein's general theory of relativity is correct,
  [[ -- and "vacuum polarization" doesn't occur -- ]]
  they must be black holes, and it is customary to talk of them 
  as if they were ( as we do in this article ).  ＞＞

Quoting WikiPedia's " Black Star, SemiClassical Gravity "
WikiPedia.ORG/wiki/Black_star_%28semiclassical_gravity%29
＜＜

  A black star is a gravitational object composed of matter.
  It is a theoretical alternative to 
  the black hole concept from general relativity.
      [....]
  A black star need not have an event horizon,
  and may or may not be a transitional phase between
  a collapsing star and a singularity. 

  A black star is created when matter compresses
  at a rate significantly less than the freefall velocity of
  a hypothetical particle falling to the center of its star,
  because quantum processes create vacuum polarization,
  which creates a form of degeneracy pressure,
  preventing spacetime (and the particles held within it)
  from occupying the same space at the same time.

  This vacuum energy is theoretically unlimited,
  and if built up quickly enough, 
  will stop gravitational collapse from creating a singularity.

  This may entail an ever-decreasing rate of collapse,
  leading to an infinite collapse time,
  or asymptotically approaching a radius less than zero.
      [....]
  It will appear almost exactly like a black hole.
      [....]
  Temperatures increase with depth towards the centre.  ＞＞
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.20--9.42am.Seattle.2019
            Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  84jmbepodql6dnrpa5jaak1t6sq10kai9l@4ax.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.20--10.05am.Seattle.2019
        BenJacoby  q9fn50$k6r$2@gioia.aioe.org
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.20--11.40am.Seattle.2019
    BenJacoby  q9g57i$i1k$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.20--3.31pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 1  m234 Top; 11.4 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Aioe.ORG,  Apr 20 {  3: 7pm, 2019 }:59^(-4)  Xɼφɷ
      Quantum mechanics is confined to tiny particles, molecules.

Ben Jacoby replied ( to me ):
> > > Entropy is conserved!
> > 
> > Energy is conserved per the first law of thermodynamics.
> > "Entropy" (uniformity) accrues, per the second law.
> 
> Still stuck in steam engine physics as usual.

Quantum mechanics is confined to tiny particles, molecules;
IT DOES NOT NEGATE THERMODYNAMICS.

Re: " Quantum Observability " ( the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle ).

You can't observe a QUANTUM particle 
unless photons are hitting it, altering it;
it's about QUANTUM PARTICLES, not humans.

" Neil deGrasse Tyson explains Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle "
by JRE ( Joe Rogan Experience ), Feb, 2017
  Youtube.COM/watch?v=5XP-DQW_1gI

Sir Arthur Stanley Eddington wrote: ＜＜

    If someone points out to you that
    your pet theory of the universe is
    in disagreement with Maxwell's equations --

    then, so much the worse for Maxwell's equations.
    
    If it is found to be contradicted by observers --
    well, these experimentalists do bungle things sometimes.
    
    But, if your theory is found to be
    against the second law of thermodynamics --

    I can give you no hope; there is nothing for it but
    to collapse in deepest humiliation.  ＞＞

    -- From "The Nature of the Physical World", 1915, chapter 4.
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            Kensi  q9blb8$li4$1@gioia.aioe.org
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.19--6.20am.Seattle.2019
        Kensi  q9e770$1ua2$9@gioia.aioe.org
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.20--4.15am.Seattle.2019
    MsNadegda  q9fr99$ah3$4@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.20--1.32pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 4  m132 Cool; 6.8 Minutes, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Apr 20 {   :18pm, 2019 }: 1  XɼΣ1
      Sex, Drugs, and Rock 'n' Roll.

Ms Nadegda replied ( to me ):
> > > I'm *not* homeless!
> > 
> > Neither are most of the street beggars/missionaries.
> > Like you, Kensi, they're motivated by  Zealous NonSense .
> > Unlike you, government guns don't support them.
> 
> The fuck are you foaming about this time, kooky?

Kensi is little different than the beggars and the missionaries
we see on the streets.  Many of these beggars are not homeless;
the government gives them free housing, free food, medical, etc.

They're like missionaries, only their religion is different:
" Sex, Drugs, and Rock 'n' Roll ".

Kensi's apocalypse cult includes people like Ralph Nader,
Al Gore, and Jeremy Joseph Christian, the Portland killer;
and she's backed by the government, and their guns.

Trump won rural America.  "Rat Utopia" experiments indicate:
dense communities have too many attackers, too much vice.

First, males stop guarding mothers ( too many attackers );
then mothers stop raising kids ( again, too many attackers ).

Macau, China, has the lowest fertility rate ( births/woman );
the poorest and most rural parts of Africa have the highest.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.20--5.00am.Seattle.2019
            Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  n6hmbe1j5v6eks0eh4ek9j65j9u0m4d0h1@4ax.com
          Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.3724fb1622e9bc96996e6c@news.altopia.com
        Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  26nmbeh2q0nb1d86fvso9l8ohcui65ejlq@4ax.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.20--11.18am.Seattle.2019
    BranimirMaksimovic  jsJuE.453195$coJ.44004@fx36.am4
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.20--11.59am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 4  m79 Top; 23.8 Minutes, slrn➤Linux, HighWinds➤Usenet-News.NET,  Apr 20 { 11:23am, 2019 }:11  XɼΘх
      Time dilation and length contraction.

> > According to General Relativity, a far-distant observer "measures" 
> > a black hole to be much smaller than it is up close.
> 
> What are you bubbling about?

Time dilation and length contraction.
Interstellar (2014), starring Matthew McConaughey, mentions it.

A far-distant observer, measuring a black hole,
registers less length and slower clocks;
locally, rulers are not stretched, and clocks run normally.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.20--5.00am.Seattle.2019
            Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  n6hmbe1j5v6eks0eh4ek9j65j9u0m4d0h1@4ax.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.20--9.42am.Seattle.2019
        Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  84jmbepodql6dnrpa5jaak1t6sq10kai9l@4ax.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.20--10.05am.Seattle.2019
    BenJacoby  q9fn50$k6r$2@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.20--11.40am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 2  m233 Top; 12.7 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Aioe.ORG,  Apr 20 { 11: 7am, 2019 }:40^(-4)  XɼΖɤ
      "Entropy" (uniformity) accrues eternally, exponentially.

Ben Jacoby replied ( to me ):
> > Entropy accrues eternally, exponentially; our Universe is going
> > from infinitely  hot/dense  to infinitely  cold/sparse.
> 
> Pure fantasy with no proof.
> Entropy is conserved!

Energy is conserved per the first law of thermodynamics.
"Entropy" (uniformity) accrues, per the second law.

No other law of physics is more certain.

If you don't know this, then you don't know any physics at all,
ZIP, ZERO, NADA.
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              .  q9dli5$1npj$1@gioia.aioe.org
            .  gi00dmFnl42U5@mid.individual.net
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.20--5.00am.Seattle.2019
        Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  n6hmbe1j5v6eks0eh4ek9j65j9u0m4d0h1@4ax.com
      Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.3724fb1622e9bc96996e6c@news.altopia.com
    Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  26nmbeh2q0nb1d86fvso9l8ohcui65ejlq@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.20--11.18am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 1  m23 Dropped; 8.8 Minutes, F_Agent, Alt.NET,  Apr 20 { 10:56am, 2019 }:51^(-4)  XɼΔʫ
      A denser universe is "smaller" ( less space ).

A denser universe is "smaller" ( less space ).

As a black hole dissipates, 
it increases the "size" the universe ( more space ).

According to General Relativity, a far-distant observer "measures" 
a black hole to be much smaller than it is up close.
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              .  q9dli5$1npj$1@gioia.aioe.org
            .  gi00dmFnl42U5@mid.individual.net
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.20--5.00am.Seattle.2019
        Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  n6hmbe1j5v6eks0eh4ek9j65j9u0m4d0h1@4ax.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.20--9.42am.Seattle.2019
    Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  84jmbepodql6dnrpa5jaak1t6sq10kai9l@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.20--10.05am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 1  m22 Dropped; 37 Secs, F_Agent, Alt.NET,  Apr 20 {  9:48am, 2019 }: 6^(-4)  Xɼʨ6
      Why we exist, and why we do what we do.

Greg replied ( to me ):
> > Infinite time and space existed before the Big Bang, most likely.
> 
> It's just as likely time and space 
> did NOT exist before the Big Bang

Entropy accrues eternally, exponentially; our Universe is going 
from infinitely  hot/dense  to infinitely  cold/sparse.

> > The OBSERVABLE Universe is FINITE, obviously;
> > the " cosmological horizon " ends 13.8 billion years ago,
> > at the start of the Big Bang.
> 
> Not according to the viewpoint of a photon traveling at C. 

Photons aren't human.

"God" ( nature, thermodynamics, evolution ) programmed us;
" Sustained Consumption " is the goal, not truthiness per se;
we're (robotic) consumers, like the sun.

"God" ( nature, General Relativity, the 4-D TimeScape ) is static, 
immutable, changeless and timeless, BOTH EVERYTHING AND NOTHING.
Randomness is ignorance ( nothing more, nothing less ).

This is why we exist, and why we do what we do.
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              ScottDoty  ghtib7Fb8ieU2@mid.individual.net
            SergIo│invalid@invalid_com  q9dkbf$1i4k$1@gioia.aioe.org
          BenJacoby  q9dli5$1npj$1@gioia.aioe.org
        ScottDoty  gi00dmFnl42U5@mid.individual.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.20--5.00am.Seattle.2019
    Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  n6hmbe1j5v6eks0eh4ek9j65j9u0m4d0h1@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.20--9.42am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 1  m116 Dropped; 13.9 Minutes, F_Agent, Alt.NET,  Apr 20 {  9:21am, 2019 }:55^(-4)  Xɼʣϛ
      The OBSERVABLE Universe is FINITE.

Greg:
> How can there be a *start* of the Big Band
> when time did not exist until after the Big Bang ?

Infinite time and space existed before the Big Bang, most likely.

The OBSERVABLE Universe is FINITE, obviously;
the " cosmological horizon " ends 13.8 billion years ago,
at the start of the Big Bang.
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              nospam│nospam@nospam_invalid  170420190947578565%nospam@nospam.invalid
            Nomen_Nescio│nobody@dizum_com  f03f093a79438dc8bb0e73a05f42db5e@dizum.com
          Roy_Smith│rasmith1959@live_com  83bjbehcj8te3ktca8ml2rmk6gu3d381c1@4ax.com
        NY│me@privacy_net  ELWdnYHXuse-LiTBnZ2dnUU78dfNnZ2d@brightview.co.uk
      Mike│ham789@netscape_net  q9eaba$mng$1@dont-email.me
    nospam│nospam@nospam_invalid  200420190142455868%nospam@nospam.invalid
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.20--8.16am.Seattle.2019
  Alt.OS.Linux, Alt.Privacy.Anon-Server, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10
    ╱ 1  m46 Cool; 9 Hours, Thoth➤Mac, Eternal-September.ORG,  Apr 19 { 10:42pm, 2019 }:45^(-4)  Xɼvj
      Random Linux distros.

> > Linux is not dominant on the desktop because
> > the community [ doesn't give a fuck ].
> 
> +1

On stage, it's Apple;  on the desk, it's Microsoft;
on disability, it's Google ( Android Linux );
off your rocker, it's  random Linux distros.
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              Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  gj2hbe1nfp223dcjpppr8p3sqoue86t6g2@4ax.com
            MsNadegda  q9am43$jd2$19@dont-email.me
          ScottDoty  ghtib7Fb8ieU2@mid.individual.net
        SergIo│invalid@invalid_com  q9dkbf$1i4k$1@gioia.aioe.org
      BenJacoby  q9dli5$1npj$1@gioia.aioe.org
    ScottDoty  gi00dmFnl42U5@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.20--5.00am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 1  m24 Top; 3.4 Hours, Pan, Individual.NET,  Apr 20 {   :35am, 2019 }:18  XɼɁь
      695 trillion suns.

2.2 Years ago Kensi told Scott Doty: "o7a549$4gk$1@gioia.aioe.org"
> More distant quasars are younger.  Quasars are black holes.
> Younger ones are less massive...

"TON 618" is the most massive black hole known to man;
we see it as it was 10.4 billion years ago.

12.5 billion years ago, quasar J2157-3602 had 
the luminosity of 695 trillion suns ( 2.66×10^41 Watts ).

695 trillion suns.

As entropy increases, our universe gets less "dense/hot/powerful".

In physics, entropy is how evenly  heat/matter  are distributed.
The  hot/dense  sun is dissipating into the  cold/sparse  void;
i.e. "entropy" (uniformity) is increasing, the sun is evaporating.

Lambda, the cosmological "constant", is growing.

Compared to the concordance model ( Lambda-CDM ), the Big Rip 
now seems more likely, given recent evidence from "the quasar era"
that shows that the (growing) Hubble "Constant" was then LESS (72.5)
than one at the ( cosmologically older ) "Type Ia supernova era" (73.24),
and MORE than the one at the CMBR (67.66), near the start of the Big Bang.

" Is Dark Energy Getting Stronger ? ", by PBS Space Time, Mar 20, 2019:
  Youtube.COM/watch?v=tAtVgHvt05M
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        Kensi  q9blb8$li4$1@gioia.aioe.org
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.19--6.20am.Seattle.2019
    Kensi  q9e770$1ua2$9@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.20--4.15am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 7  m115 Top; 6.5 Hours, NewsTap➤iPad, Aioe.ORG,  Apr 19 {  9:29pm, 2019 }: 6^(2)  Xɼiр
      Zealous NonSense.

Kensi replied ( to me ):
> > Kensi is like a homeless beggar,
> > but with more guns, and less manners.
> 
> The only weapon I have is pepper spray,
> and I'm *not* homeless!

Neither are most of the street beggars/missionaries.
Like you, Kensi, they're motivated by  Zealous NonSense .
Unlike you, government guns don't support them.
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      HerbertGlazier  c2d07941-55fb-43c7-9230-bfca1785116e@googlegroups.com
    JimPennino  n2lpof-bae.ln1@mail.specsol.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.19--1.04pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m21 Cool; 10.2 Minutes, tin➤Sun, Eternal-September.ORG,  Apr 19 {   :44pm, 2019 }:55^(0)  Xɻыʯ
      Bert and reality have never been on good terms.

Jim Pennino replied ( to Bert ):
> > Gold at $2700   Only 8% can buy it.
> 
> Gold today is $1,276, down 33% from the 2011 high of $1,917.

Bert and reality have never been on good terms.
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          HerbertGlazier  5a027e3c-b0c8-4ae7-9f93-35f8193979a7@googlegroups.com
        HerbertGlazier  e7c6642d-e503-433c-baa5-7b9b0a3e00e1@googlegroups.com
      BenJacoby  q9csr3$7l9$3@gioia.aioe.org
    HerbertGlazier  427f2a12-6e4d-408d-8835-fb878f82e509@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.19--10.45am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 2  m284 Top; 6.5 Minutes, GoogleG, 74.118.32.5,  Apr 19 { 10:32am, 2019 }:31^(PDT)  Xɻеʗ
      YOUR IMAGINATION IS NOT REAL, Bert, Dumbo the elephant can't fly.

No book, no library, is as good as the Internet.

You can imagine traveling faster than light;
but YOUR IMAGINATION IS NOT REAL, Bert,
Dumbo the elephant can't fly.
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    Kensi  q9blb8$li4$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.19--6.20am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Talk.Politics.Guns, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 5  m114 Top; 7.8 Hours, NewsTap➤iPad, Aioe.ORG,  Apr 18 { 10:11pm, 2019 }:55^(2)  Xɻʫჱ
      Kensi is like a homeless beggar.

Kensi:
> David Attenborough issued his strongest statement yet
> on the threat posed to the world by climate change:

Kensi is like a homeless beggar,
but with more guns, and less manners.
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              Kensi  q93hqc$78q$1@gioia.aioe.org
            Avenging_Angel│Not_fucking_  XnsAA344A07D4B89greyghost471bazinga@144.76.35.198
          MsNadegda  q984hg$jd2$6@dont-email.me
        Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  gj2hbe1nfp223dcjpppr8p3sqoue86t6g2@4ax.com
      MsNadegda  q9am43$jd2$19@dont-email.me
    ScottDoty  ghtib7Fb8ieU2@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.19--6.09am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Talk.Politics.Guns, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m23 Top; 3.6 Hours, Pan, Individual.NET,  Apr 19 {  2:22am, 2019 }:48  XɻξЮ
      I'm the Queen of England, slayer of dragons.

I'm the Queen of England, slayer of dragons.

Even if my statement (above) were true, it doesn't matter.
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.18--9.52pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
      The "Instant Pot" pressure-cooker is ESSENTIAL for morons like me.

The "Instant Pot" pressure-cooker is ESSENTIAL for morons like me; 
it was invented by single fathers, including a Chinese–Canadian GENIUS.

Just set it and walk away, no worries, no burning;
no pressure-cooker over-spill; no loud noises.
Plugs in anywhere, not just the kitchen.

Nothing cooks white beans better/faster;
best split-pea-'n'-hambone soup.

To pressure/steam cook 12 hard-boiled jumbo eggs:
 
    Put a little water below the steamer tray;
    set it to 8 minutes... then forget about it, walk away.
                            ____
    Once cool enough to open the lid, put the hot eggs in the fridge,
    so the shells come off easier.

P.S. I might buy the "Logitech g635" (wired) HeadSet;
142$ after Seattle's 10% tax;
because it has a better microphone than my 66$ g633 HeadSet.

Logitech's "G Hub" settings software is much improved over 
the previous version ("Logitech Gaming Software");
it makes the g633's microphone work better, for some reason.

Also, it gives me 3 more programmable buttons on my headset
( from 3 to 6 ).

It took me several hours to manually transfer my g600 mouse settings over,
because it works so differently.  My current settings:

  Jeff-Relf.Me/MouseKeyboardLayout.PNG

Not available on Linux, of course.
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            .  0a0b2a78-a967-436d-94af-7788137cb723@googlegroups.com
          .  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.17--11.32pm.Seattle.2019
        .  q99nkl$2aa$2@gioia.aioe.org
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.18--6.58am.Seattle.2019
    JohnGohde  96aae39a-aeb5-4e94-addd-9295b23f84d0@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.18--10.34am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m225 Dropped; 1.1 Hours, GoogleG, 72.84.231.39,  Apr 18 {  8: 3am, 2019 }: 4^(PDT)  XɻUΙ
      The fast-moving stars at the center of our galaxy.

John Gohde asked me:
> Why no more on Black Holes, Jeff ?

The fast-moving stars at the center of our galaxy might be 
simply orbiting each other ( like the earth-moon dance ),
rather than evidence of a central black hole.

> Personally, I rather liked your female vibrator post.
> It just needed a XXX rated Youtube video to accompany it,
> which do in fact exit.

" The Cowgirl Premium Sex Machine ", 1,995$:
    Youtube.COM/watch?v=jSX5enaheyw
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            .  0a0b2a78-a967-436d-94af-7788137cb723@googlegroups.com
          .  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.17--11.32pm.Seattle.2019
        .  q99nkl$2aa$2@gioia.aioe.org
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.18--6.58am.Seattle.2019
    Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  dl3hbehqushoejf4ehkg8inc9n2qermciv@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.18--9.46am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m20 Dropped; 1.3 Hours, F_Agent, Alt.NET,  Apr 18 {  7:52am, 2019 }:25^(-4)  XɻSЗ
      It's more of a tribal thing, not individualistic.

Speaking of Taxing-'n'-Regulating Big Oil, Greg wrote:
> The more you deprive an organism of its metabolism 
> the more you degrade its existence. 

The overarching ideal is " sustained consumption ";
and it's more of a tribal thing, not individualistic.
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        SamWormley  0a0b2a78-a967-436d-94af-7788137cb723@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.17--11.32pm.Seattle.2019
    BenJacoby  q99nkl$2aa$2@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.18--6.58am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m218 Top; 1.5 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Aioe.ORG,  Apr 18 {  4:39am, 2019 }: 4^(-4)  XɺჲΙ
      Killing the poorest, thinning the herd.

Ben Jacoby replied ( to me ):
> > First we ( the apocalypse cult ) vilify Big Oil ( like Big Tobacco );
> > then we  Tax-'n'-Regulate  the crap out of them ( killing the poorest ).
> > " Virtue Signaled ", job done.
> 
> Human civilization runs on energy; ending human civilization,
> so progressives can feel good about themselves, will not end well.

They're killing the poorest, thinning the herd.
" Virtue Signaled ", job done.
 
> Nobody needs to smoke, and you're better off if you don't,

Einstein and Robert Oppenheimer smoked pipes.
Sigmund Freud, Carl Jung, and Churchill puffed cigars.
Lady Gaga enjoys clove cigars ( See: " Gaga, Five Foot Two " 2017 ).
Adele has been smoking since she was a teenager.

The more oxygen you breathe, the sooner you'll die.

  Goolge: oxidative-stress, case-studies.
  Quoting " Oxidative Stress and the Aging Brain ", Dr. Riddle, 2007.
  ncbi.nlm.NIH.GOV/books/NBK3869/

    Currently, one of the most plausible and acceptable 
    explanations for the mechanistic basis of aging is 
    the " free radical theory of aging " ...

    The origin of this explanation has a foundation in 
    the " rate of living theory " [ Pearl ], 
    according to which, the lifespan of an individual depends on
    its rate of energy utilization ( metabolic rate ) ... 

    Pearl proposed that the longevity of an organism 
    is inversely correlated to its mass-specific 
    metabolic rate: increasing an organism’s metabolic 
    rate will decrease longevity, whereas factors that 
    decrease the metabolic rate will increase longevity ... 

    birds have a low rate of free radical production
    in brain and in other tissues [ increasing their longevity ]
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    SamWormley  0a0b2a78-a967-436d-94af-7788137cb723@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.17--11.32pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m55 Cool; 4.1 Hours, GoogleG, 199.241.125.109,  Apr 17 {  6:35pm, 2019 }:45^(PDT)  XɺϽყ
      We ( the apocalypse cult ) vilify Big Oil, like Big Tobacco.

First we ( the apocalypse cult ) vilify Big Oil, like Big Tobacco.
Then we tax&regulate the crap out of them ( the poor ).
Then, to make up for it, we "virtue signal".
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    Kensi  q98q57$1ugp$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.17--11.11pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Talk.Politics.Guns, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 5  m116 Top; 2.4 Hours, NewsTap➤iPad, Aioe.ORG,  Apr 17 {  8:15pm, 2019 }:39^(2)  XɺОτ
      First we vilify Big Oil, like Big Tobacco.

First we (Kensi) vilify Big Oil, like Big Tobacco,
then we tax the crap out of the poorest people.
The poor won't complain, we give them lipservice.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.13--6.25pm.Seattle.2019
            Fritz_Wuehler│fritz@spamexpire  b55f3da1c51b1341b19dd6bd23a3ef28@msgid.frell.theremailer.net
          AndrzejMatuch  pe_sE.323814$hJ3.246118@fx07.iad
        Anonymous_Remailer(austria│  b97d1b1bc32267756e111c0a60e5dd83@remailer.privacy.at
      Nomen_Nescio│nobody@dizum_com  8043ae1b8fd4addb4c8537a6cf0289e4@dizum.com
    AndrzejMatuch  DWHtE.319918$Ye6.37481@fx22.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.17--10.25am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Alt.OS.Linux, Alt.Privacy.Anon-Server, Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10
    ╱ 6  m693 Mad; 1 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Apr 17 {  8:49am, 2019 }:54^(-4)  Xɺʞɲ
      The " Sex, Drugs, and Rock 'n' Roll " religion.

Homeless beggars belong to some kind of a 
" Sex, Drugs, and Rock 'n' Roll " religion.

They're like Mormon missionaries, without the righteousness.

The government gives them free food, shelter, and medical;
free methadone too, when they conform to minimal guidelines.
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      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.16--0.55pm.Seattle.2019
    BenJacoby  q95jh8$1m18$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.16--3.39pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m46 Top; 25.2 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Aioe.ORG,  Apr 16 {  3: 4pm, 2019 }:26^(-4)  XɹტИ
      MGTOW rhetoric, and dementia.

Ben Jacoby wrote:
> Relf's obese, naked body on top of you, sweating like a dog,
> and grunting like a pig, with his ass reeking from his shit ladle ? 
> Brrrrrr ! And all that to have a guy who lives on 3K a year ?

You forgot to mention my yellow, rotting, cigarette teeth,
dirty, tobacco-smoke clothes, MGTOW rhetoric, and dementia.
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      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.16--0.55pm.Seattle.2019
    BenJacoby  q95jh8$1m18$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.16--3.28pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╳ 2  m220 Top; 13.7 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Aioe.ORG,  Apr 16 {  3: 4pm, 2019 }:26^(-4)  XɹტИ
      My Grindr bio.

Ben Jacoby:
> Can you imagine what it'd be like to have Relf's obese,
> stinky, naked body on top of you, sweating like a dog,
> and grunting like a pig, with his ass reeking from his shit ladle ? 
> 
> Brrrrrr !  And all that to have a guy who lives on 3K a year ? 
> It boggles the mind.

You've read my Grindr bio, I see.
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              Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  n8e4behbkn8o4cd7aur8nene81vffbm1gr@4ax.com
            Skeeter│chico@invalid_invalid  MPG.371c1f5ca96cdf9820a1@news.eternal-september.org
          Pandora│pandora@peak_org  c4vefm.u0h.19.2@news.alt.net
        MK│MK@invalid_com  c4vlj5.2uf.19.1@news.alt.net
      Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  l7nbbe56m9i9u4771v8sjtmhujgpvv95os@4ax.com
    MsNadegda  q95cgi$i4t$3@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.16--3.16pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 3  m125 Cool; 1.3 Hours, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Apr 16 {  1: 4pm, 2019 }:34  XɹюР
      Kensi and Greg aren't getting any.

Ms Nadegda replied ( to Greg ):
> > Pandora never stops flaunting her wealth.
> 
> I'm sure it must be very triggering for you, 
> you tarpaper-shack-dwelling bucket shitter.  <snicker>

Worse, he "thinks" people ( including Kensi and underage girls )
would do anything, pay anything, to fuck him.

Fact is: Greg would pay for it, if he could.
Kensi would charge ( taxes and regulations ), if she could.
Neither one is getting any.
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    HerbertGlazier  9188ad27-4030-459b-8145-334f36e09458@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.16--2.52pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m299 Top; 7.2 Minutes, GoogleG, 74.118.32.5,  Apr 16 {  1: 8pm, 2019 }:52^(PDT)  Xɹяʬ
      Bert buys it; hook, line, and sinker !

Herbert Glazier:
> Arco Now 4$ a gallon, Anaheim.  Just paid 100$ to fill it up.
> GOP Mafia are hungry for the poor man's money.

Democrats did that; .74$/gallon in taxes, plus super-stringent
refinery mandates ( for summer driving ), to save the planet;
they give lip service to the poor, then tax the crap out of them.

And you buy it; hook, line, and sinker !

> Anaheim's 220 unit HUD building ... Two bedroom is 2,700$/month.

How much for a single room, shared kitchen/bathroom ?

Section 8 people pay just 30% of their welfare check;
but the neighborhood is really, really dangerous.
■
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.16--0.55pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
      Men "think" women just want a big dick.

Men "think" women just want a big dick.

If you want to know what a woman _ really wants,
read a romance novel with her, in a coffee shop.
Few city boys measure up, so (horny) women go without.

Most Sybian dildos are 3 inches tall;
and even that is too much, when you crank it up.

Most white boys are under 5 inches, hard/stretched;
normal women don't want anything larger.
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              Fritz_Wuehler│fritz@spamexpire  b55f3da1c51b1341b19dd6bd23a3ef28@msgid.frell.theremailer.net
            AndrzejMatuch  pe_sE.323814$hJ3.246118@fx07.iad
          Anonymous_Remailer(austria│  b97d1b1bc32267756e111c0a60e5dd83@remailer.privacy.at
        AndrzejMatuch  lojtE.225100$cD4.19959@fx43.iad
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.16--6.07am.Seattle.2019
    AndrzejMatuch  TamtE.521398$li7.123879@fx40.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.16--9.39am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╳ 6  m696 Mad; 1.2 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Apr 16 {  8: 5am, 2019 }:23^(-4)  XɹМბ
      I learned about Kurt Cobain _ after he died.

> > Kurt Cobain was homeless before he struck it rich;
> > always, he hung out with the homeless, in Seattle.
> 
> So you're saying that you were a close and personal friend of his?

I learned about Kurt Cobain _ after he died.
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              AndrzejMatuch  xGssE.102446$lO2.5535@fx30.iad
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.13--6.25pm.Seattle.2019
          Fritz_Wuehler│fritz@spamexpire  b55f3da1c51b1341b19dd6bd23a3ef28@msgid.frell.theremailer.net
        AndrzejMatuch  pe_sE.323814$hJ3.246118@fx07.iad
      Anonymous_Remailer(austria│  b97d1b1bc32267756e111c0a60e5dd83@remailer.privacy.at
    AndrzejMatuch  lojtE.225100$cD4.19959@fx43.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.16--6.07am.Seattle.2019
  Alt.OS.Linux, Alt.Privacy.Anon-Server, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10
    ╱ 4  m690 Mad; 17.2 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Apr 16 {  4:54am, 2019 }:57^(-4)  Xɹϟv
      The lion's den.

Poor, homeless people live fast-forward.

Their drugs reflect their (huge) personalities.

Kurt Cobain was homeless before he struck it rich;
always, he hung out with the homeless, in Seattle.

Strugill Simpson Sings "Turtles All The Way Down":
  Youtube.COM/watch?v=HEtj7EaIqHA

  I've seen Jesus play with flames in a lake of fire that I was standing in.

  Met the devil in Seattle, spent 9 months inside  the lion's den.

  Met Buddha yet another time, he showed me a glowing light within.
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              Kensi  q8uc0i$14vt$2@gioia.aioe.org
            Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  56d6bepvo3qqusa8lm6r62mkp9nm0jpb83@4ax.com
          Kensi  q90sff$8l0$1@gioia.aioe.org
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.15--1.58am.Seattle.2019
      MsNadegda  q92sk2$dr3$143@dont-email.me
    Kensi  q93i0h$78q$3@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.16--2.39am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Talk.Politics.Guns, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 3  m117 Top; 5.7 Hours, NewsTap➤iPad, Aioe.ORG,  Apr 15 {  8:26pm, 2019 }:  ^(2)  Xɹʚɸ
      Men are NOT loving MacKenzie Bezos, much less Kensi.

I never said that Kensi wouldn't love a good "roll in the hay",
with the "right" guy -- but her dream won't come true.
Men are NOT loving MacKenzie Bezos, much less Kensi.
■
    Kensi  q93hqc$78q$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.16--2.23am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Talk.Politics.Guns, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m117 Top; 5.8 Hours, NewsTap➤iPad, Aioe.ORG,  Apr 15 {  8:22pm, 2019 }:42^(2)  XɹʙШ
      Russia and China are creating sea routes while Kensi panics.

Kensi:
> Arctic ice levels hit a record low this year

Russia and China are creating sea routes while Kensi panics;
nuclear-powered icebreakers.
■
              Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  0t94bep3biqqji7slf8dra9uu47vkeccfd@4ax.com
            Kensi  q8uc0i$14vt$2@gioia.aioe.org
          Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  56d6bepvo3qqusa8lm6r62mkp9nm0jpb83@4ax.com
        Kensi  q90sff$8l0$1@gioia.aioe.org
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.15--1.58am.Seattle.2019
    MsNadegda  q92sk2$dr3$143@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.15--2.31pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Talk.Politics.Guns, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m118 Cool; 3.6 Minutes, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Apr 15 {  2:21pm, 2019 }: 6  XɹɝΛ
      Religious people do not have less sex, quite the opposite.

Ms Nadegda replied ( to me ):
> > Kensi would be a church lady, if she could.
> 
> Did ... did Relf just insinuate that kensi is frigid ?
> < Where's the popcorn ? >

Religious people do not have less sex, quite the opposite.
Utah and South Dakota produce the most babies ( per woman ), 
and they're also having the most sex ( and they consume the most porn ).
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              .  xGssE.102446$lO2.5535@fx30.iad
            .  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.13--6.25pm.Seattle.2019
          .  b55f3da1c51b1341b19dd6bd23a3ef28@msgid.frell.theremailer.net
        .  pe_sE.323814$hJ3.246118@fx07.iad
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.15--5.25am.Seattle.2019
    AndrzejMatuch  it1tE.206656$UN2.125539@fx04.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.15--9.32am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Alt.OS.Linux, Alt.Privacy.Anon-Server, Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10
    ╱ 1  m133 Cool; 44.4 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Apr 15 {  8:31am, 2019 }:26^(-4)  XɹZɖ
      Stay where you are.

Bill Gates is not sterilizing Africans; and they 
couldn't care less if you (Andrzej) find them "useless" or not.

Why invest in Apple when they're returning investors money,
via high dividends, because they have no better use for it ?

> If I could buy a wife for minimum wage, I'd still expect quality. 
> Nothing short of a redhead with blue eyes and double Ds would do.

The real world is a tad different.

> > With the Pacific ocean to the West, and high mountains to the North&East,
> > and hot, wealthy California to the South, no city is better placed.
> 
> In terms of climate, it prevents you from having harsh winters 
> but I don't see any other real advantage.

That's fine, stay where you are.
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              AndrzejMatuch  %nlsE.179523$cD4.133458@fx43.iad
            Soviet_Mario│SovietMario@CCCP_  q8t78u$q44$1@dont-email.me
          AndrzejMatuch  xGssE.102446$lO2.5535@fx30.iad
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.13--6.25pm.Seattle.2019
      Fritz_Wuehler│fritz@spamexpire  b55f3da1c51b1341b19dd6bd23a3ef28@msgid.frell.theremailer.net
    AndrzejMatuch  pe_sE.323814$hJ3.246118@fx07.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.15--5.25am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Alt.OS.Linux, Alt.Privacy.Anon-Server, Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10
    ╱ 2  m664 Mad; 12.8 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Apr 15 {  4:50am, 2019 }:44^(-4)  Xɸჴʤ
      Imagine if you could hire/fire a wife for minimum wage.

Andrzej Matuch replied ( to Fritz Wuehler ):
> > I hope Trump nukes Seattle [ to kill Bezos ? ].
> 
> It wouldn't be much of a loss.

Seattle is home to the 1st and 2nd second richest men in the world.
With the Pacific ocean to the West, and high mountains to the North&East,
and hot, wealthy California to the South, no city is better placed.

There's a huge pipeline of money going from Governments/corporations
to Microsoft -- they tax the taxman; smart. 
Bill Gates "invests" in poorest Africa, helping women & kids; smart. 

Amazon is hungry for investors, and vice versa.
Walmart is slow; the post office is slower.
Apple doesn't want your money; they're returning it.

Jeff Bezos can't buy a girlfriend, MacKenzie can't buy men's respect;
imagine if you could hire/fire a wife for minimum wage.
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    HerbertGlazier  70da27ea-8f5c-4372-959c-3483f085520c@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.15--2.05am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 2  m316 Top; 10.1 Hours, GoogleG, 74.118.32.5,  Apr 14 {  3:38pm, 2019 }:10^(PDT)  Xɸϑʂ
      Mass and Gravity are residual exergy.

Walt Disney wrote:
> the source of gravity is "Energy density"

What is the source of the energy density ?

Mass and Gravity are residual exergy.

In physics, entropy is how evenly  heat/matter  are distributed.
The  hot/dense  sun is dissipating into the  cold/sparse  void;
i.e. "entropy" (uniformity) is increasing, the sun is evaporating.

Entropy grows eternally, exponentially; The Known Universe is going 
from infinitely  hot/dense  to infinitely  cold/sparse.

12.5 billion years ago, quasar J2157-3602 had the power of 
695 trillion suns  ( 2.66×10^41 Watts );  in comparison, 
the most luminous hypernovae (ASASSN-15lh) peaked at 572 billion suns.

Younger galaxies have more "Wattage/power".
As entropy increases, our universe is getting less "dense/hot/powerful".
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              Libtard│libtard@sandernistas_  q8t06r$utr$13@news.mixmin.net
            SergIo│invalid@invalid_com  q8t8h4$dp3$1@gioia.aioe.org
          Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  0t94bep3biqqji7slf8dra9uu47vkeccfd@4ax.com
        Kensi  q8uc0i$14vt$2@gioia.aioe.org
      Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  56d6bepvo3qqusa8lm6r62mkp9nm0jpb83@4ax.com
    Kensi  q90sff$8l0$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.15--1.58am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Talk.Politics.Guns, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m124 Top; 5.6 Hours, NewsTap➤iPad, Aioe.ORG,  Apr 14 {  8: 6pm, 2019 }:13^(2)  XɸНD
      Kensi would be a church lady, if she could.

Kensi would be a church lady, if she could.

Gregory Hall would be a caveman, if he could.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.13--0.50pm.Seattle.2019
            AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  q8u1rf$j57$1@dont-email.me
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.13--8.11pm.Seattle.2019
        AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  q8uds1$ktb$1@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.14--1.41am.Seattle.2019
    AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  q8vbp8$603$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.14--7.53am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m59 Cool; 1.5 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Apr 14 {  6:15am, 2019 }:22^(-6)  Xɸʄγ
      CygWin with cmder.

AnonLinuxUser replied ( to me ):
> > Are you writing a new Win64 app or porting an old Linux app ?
> 
> One of the workers had an old book called compiler design in c.
> Written around 1992.  It has an included file called curses.h.
> I'm not sure if windows has this or not.

For that, you'd have to download and install CygWin;
you might need "cmder" as well, I'm not sure.
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              Skeeter│chico@invalid_invalid  MPG.371bb91a38f0ad672088@news.eternal-september.org
            MsNadegda  q8tdh9$dr3$131@dont-email.me
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.13--0.50pm.Seattle.2019
        AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  q8u1rf$j57$1@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.13--8.11pm.Seattle.2019
    AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  q8uds1$ktb$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.14--1.41am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m58 Cool; 3.8 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Apr 13 {  9:44pm, 2019 }:50^(-6)  Xɸlʪ
      A new Win64 app ?

AnonLinuxUser asked me:
> > "ZOC Terminal" and (free) "cmder" work with CygWin.
> 
> What's CygWin?
> I found something called Virtual Console Terminal.
> Looks like a bunch of escape sequences.

WikiPedia says:  CygWin is a POSIX-compatible environment 
that runs natively on Microsoft Windows.

What are you trying to do, exactly ?

Are you writing a new Win64 app or porting an old Linux app ?
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      HerbertGlazier  90fe7c6b-5c37-489a-a6a9-64c618653fa7@googlegroups.com
    Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  ghff1dF9ahoU1@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.13--8.50pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics
    ╳ 2  m12 Cool; 2.6 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win7, Individual.NET,  Apr 13 {  6:  pm, 2019 }:29^(10)  XɸAT
      Dumbo's flights.

Sylvia asked Bert:
> > Once gravity sets a field around masses it can act instantly.
> 
> Why would you think that?

Quizzing Bert about his super-luminous fantasies
is equivalent to asking Walt Disney about Dumbo's flights.
■
              KWills_Shill_#3│compuelf@gmail_  n993be9nn13d19npeqnrk7ntamsicq4lag@4ax.com
            Libtard│libtard@sandernistas_  q8t020$utr$12@news.mixmin.net
          Skeeter│chico@invalid_invalid  MPG.371bb91a38f0ad672088@news.eternal-september.org
        MsNadegda  q8tdh9$dr3$131@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.13--0.50pm.Seattle.2019
    AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  q8u1rf$j57$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.13--8.11pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m57 Cool; 13.4 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Apr 13 {  6:19pm, 2019 }:44^(-6)  XɸDɨ
      I wrote my own console.

AnonLinuxUser asked me:
> Is there a curses library in Visual Studio 2017 ?
> I know it exists in linux, but I can't seem to find in VS.

I don't know, my installation of Visual Studio 2017, 
(free) Community Edition, doesn't have it.
I wrote my own console, it wasn't hard to do.

"ZOC Terminal" and (free) "cmder" work with CygWin.
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              Carlos_E_R_│robin_listas@es_  isc6of-bd2.ln1@Telcontar.valinor
            Mayayana│mayayana@invalid_  q8q4qv$bke$1@dont-email.me
          Fritz_Wuehler│fritz@spamexpire  aeb036ec554baac2c61a7a2969c342ab@msgid.frell.theremailer.net
        AndrzejMatuch  %nlsE.179523$cD4.133458@fx43.iad
      Soviet_Mario│SovietMario@CCCP_  q8t78u$q44$1@dont-email.me
    AndrzejMatuch  xGssE.102446$lO2.5535@fx30.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.13--6.25pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.OS.Linux, Alt.Privacy.Anon-Server, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10
    ╱ 1  m658 Mad; 3 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤X11, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Apr 13 {  2:39pm, 2019 }:40^(-4)  Xɷპυ
      On stage, it's Apple;  on the desk, it's Microsoft.

On stage, it's Apple;  on the desk, it's Microsoft;
on disability, it's Google (Android/Linux).

Just because you can carry "an office computer"
in your pocket doesn't mean that you should.
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              Kensi  q8rm13$1ebg$2@gioia.aioe.org
            Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  57v3bedl88n8i7dngeiso0l3s4o4o0s7uf@4ax.com
          Libtard│libtard@sandernistas_  q8suuj$utr$8@news.mixmin.net
        Pandora│pandora@peak_org  c4pnlg.un.17.1@news.alt.net
      Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  0t34be5dei592nlgfvtee97ue6ojohdmjd@4ax.com
    MsNadegda  q8tc6p$dr3$124@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.13--1.02pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Talk.Politics.Guns, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 3  m116 Cool; 43.2 Minutes, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Apr 13 {   :10pm, 2019 }:17  XɷхϿ
      God/Nature has programmed us to OverEat and OverBreed.

God/Nature has programmed us to OverEat and OverBreed.

What was appropriate millennia ago, isn't necessarily appropriate today.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.12--4.18am.Seattle.2019
            MsNadegda  q8r8pn$dr3$120@dont-email.me
          KWills_Shill_#3│compuelf@gmail_  n993be9nn13d19npeqnrk7ntamsicq4lag@4ax.com
        Libtard│libtard@sandernistas_  q8t020$utr$12@news.mixmin.net
      Skeeter│chico@invalid_invalid  MPG.371bb91a38f0ad672088@news.eternal-september.org
    MsNadegda  q8tdh9$dr3$131@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.13--0.50pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Usenet.Kooks, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m31 Shifty; 6.8 Minutes, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Apr 13 {   :32pm, 2019 }:57  XɷщΒ
      You could replace any one of them with the other.

Mr Libtard, Ms Nadegda, Kensi, Snit, Sam Wormly ( and Scott Doty ? )
are all members of the same apocalypse cult, 
preaching the same "gospel".

You could replace any one of them with the other,
and it wouldn't make a difference,
none of them have a mind of their own.

They're all GREEN with envy, fighting for the GREEN, 
pretending to be GREEN.
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              Skeeter│chico@invalid_invalid  MPG.371951565916fb8e1ff4@news.eternal-september.org
            MsNadegda  q8r8lk$dr3$119@dont-email.me
          Skeeter│chico@invalid_invalid  MPG.371adcf0459b8c8b207a@news.eternal-september.org
        AndrzejMatuch  q4lsE.187655$cp1.4358@fx23.iad
      Libtard│libtard@sandernistas_  q8sva0$utr$9@news.mixmin.net
    AnonLinuxUser│user@example_net  q8tbmb$ht7$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.13--0.33pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m17 Cool; 16.5 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤X11, Eternal-September.ORG,  Apr 13 {   : 1pm, 2019 }:31^(-6)  Xɷфɛ
      Cuba, Venezuela, and North Korea aren't innovators.

AnonLinuxUser replied ( to Mr Libtard ):
> > Want to know the success rate of capitalist startups ?
> > It's in the single digit percent range.
> 
> Yeah, a capitalist funded Steve Jobs and Wozniak 
> to start up Apple computer company.  Very successful.

Get the smartest, richest youngsters together,
at Stanford University, and give them a lot of money.

Most will fail, but it doesn't matter;
just write it off, and try again.

Mr Libtard doesn't approve of private schools, like Stanford,
because he's GREEN with envy, fighting for the GREEN, 
pretending to be GREEN.

Thanks to his notion of "equality", kids have more rights
than their parents, we can't make them work;
so we ( you and I ) rely on illegal, undocumented aliens.

Cuba, Venezuela, and North Korea aren't innovators.
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              MsNadegda  q8r9f9$dr3$122@dont-email.me
            Skeeter│chico@invalid_invalid  MPG.371add8cb6ae6d21207c@news.eternal-september.org
          Kensi  q8rmtl$1ice$2@gioia.aioe.org
        Skeeter│chico@invalid_invalid  MPG.371b1478a07ba9002085@news.eternal-september.org
      Libtard│libtard@sandernistas_  q8t0gg$utr$16@news.mixmin.net
    Skeeter│chico@invalid_invalid  MPG.371bbbb0e5536a8f208f@news.eternal-september.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.13--10.02am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Talk.Politics.Guns, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m207 Mad; 1.6 Minutes, MicroPlanet, Eternal-September.ORG,  Apr 13 {  9:26am, 2019 }:44^(-6)  XɷЪʤ
      Mr. "Libtard" gives himself all the awards.

Skeeter:
> There are no awards and TINW.

Mr. "Libtard" gives himself all the awards.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.12--4.11am.Seattle.2019
            MsNadegda  q8r9e3$dr3$121@dont-email.me
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.12--6.42pm.Seattle.2019
        Kensi  q8rmli$1ebg$6@gioia.aioe.org
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.12--11.44pm.Seattle.2019
    Libtard│libtard@sandernistas_  q8t06r$utr$13@news.mixmin.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.13--9.53am.Seattle.2019
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      We ( you and I ) rely on illegal, undocumented aliens.

Neither you (Libtard) nor Kensi are worth quoting, most of the time.

Jeremy Joseph Christian is a "green ranger", same as you and Kensi;
the evidence is in the YouTube video that you refuse to look at:
    Youtube.COM/watch?v=8Z6Q0TvkWUI

You're an anonymous kook who's GREEN with envy, 
fighting for the GREEN, pretending to be GREEN.

I'm infinitely more eco-friendly than you've ever been.
I don't have a car, I don't travel, I don't commute, I don't eat out,
I don't order in; I walk my groceries home and cook.

I do my own yardwork, and I help clean the house.
I spent 3,000$ last year, total ( not counting food and SS taxes ), 
mostly for the benefit of my 32 unit rooming house.

Kids have more rights than their parents, we can't make them work;
so we ( you and I ) rely on illegal, undocumented aliens.
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