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              SteveCarroll  055d7376-8773-4ca9-8cd3-4fd8c1a2764f@googlegroups.com
            MrDFS  W1ztD.39291$xo2.777@fx31.iad
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.14--1.41am.Seattle.2018
        Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  m8n6sdhvufno9mcgeg3gj59i4ebbk231q5@4ax.com
      snipeco_2@gmail_com(Wader_of_  1nwo66f.5tyjet14f56ptN%snipeco.2@gmail.com
    Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  gvo6sd5hl49kfj6ntc5v733t1451s1kqad@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.14--2.29pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, News.Software.Readers, Alt.Free.Newsservers
    ╳ 2  m153 Cool; 4.3 Hours, F_Agent, Alt.NET,  Oct 14 {  8:43am, 2018 }:32^(-4)  Wჵbɜ
      No one can do "a perfect forgery" of my posts.

> > You -still- can't do a perfect forgery of me, 
> 
> I am able to do a perfect forgery, and would, except for
> the fact that you'd use it to get me TOSSed.  You said as much.

No one can do "a perfect forgery" of my posts 
because the "Path:" line would be off.
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              SteveCarroll  e0777414-4790-4fa0-9ce1-d889f604f26e@googlegroups.com
            MrDFS  0qstD.79312$uJ2.3100@fx27.iad
          SteveCarroll  055d7376-8773-4ca9-8cd3-4fd8c1a2764f@googlegroups.com
        MrDFS  W1ztD.39291$xo2.777@fx31.iad
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.14--1.41am.Seattle.2018
    MrDFS  ufJwD.316258$Vl2.213729@fx46.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.14--2.23pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, News.Software.Readers, Alt.Free.Newsservers
    ╱ 1  m184 Top; 4.5 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win8.1, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Oct 14 {  8:26am, 2018 }:54^(-4)  WჵYʮ
      Pipelining "Article" commands.

> > I "pipeline" 100 "Article" commands at a time ( all at once ),
> > and I use a 4 MegaByte input buffer -- it's very sophisticated.
> 
> Show us the source!

You've seen it; it's "X.CPP" in "Jeff-Relf.Me/X.ZIP".

  LoopJ( er( 100, ReqArts  ) ) d += _Str( d, "Article %I64d\r\n", artNum-- );

Oddly, "Article %d" doesn't work, even though I'm running x64 code. 
Updating Visual Studio may change the "Windows SDK" and the "14.15.26726"
in "C:\__\EXEs\VisualStudio2017\VC\Tools\MSVC\14.15.26726\lib\x64".

My "text" servers: 

  News5.Open-News-Network.ORG
  News2.Open-News-Network.ORG

> > Upon receiving a chunk ( e.g. a 30 KiloByte Article ),
> > I check for proper line endings -- "\r\n" in the header,
> > "\r" and/or "\n" in the body, if the "Content-Type:" is text.
> 
> You do these checks and still get 1000 posts in 4 seconds?

Yes, posts are converted as they're downloaded.

> > I don't parse the Body UnlessAndUntil I have the full header
> > ( so I know what the "Content-Type:" is ).
> > The body itself may have varios (MIME) "Content-Type:" lines.
> 
> Are you storing all the downloaded data in one big file?

Yes, it updates "Cola.TXT" and/or "Phy.TXT";
I keep what I want to read, discarding the rest; see:

  Jeff-Relf.Me/Cola_Regs.HTM

My posts to Usenet ( since Feb 2012 ): Jeff-Relf.Me/Posts.TXT
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              Silicon_Vee│siliconvee1945  87woqps6vr.fsf@yahoo.com
            SteveCarroll  fec45f27-68f9-4658-abd4-6834d624b56b@googlegroups.com
          Silicon_Vee│siliconvee1945  87murls67o.fsf@yahoo.com
        MrDFS  5wwvD.148944$wV2.118822@fx01.iad
      Silicon_Vee│siliconvee1945  87efcxs5cy.fsf@yahoo.com
    MrDFS  kUzvD.139905$8r2.132711@fx34.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.14--2.41am.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 19  m185 Top; 3.1 Days, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win8.1, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Oct 10 {  9:  pm, 2018 }:28^(-4)  WჲЦS
      My voice sucks but my nose is whistling.

> Jeff Relf has gained ~42% weight since 2005; 
> his nose now whistles like Trump's when he talks.

M voice sucks but my nose isn't whistling; to wit:

  My.Surfing.Habits:
    YouTube.COM/watch?v=2XlyaFPpQa4
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              SteveCarroll  6d456a98-d79d-4280-b8a4-75e6a14039ef@googlegroups.com
            MrDFS  K8ptD.100112$ZJ2.25135@fx33.iad
          SteveCarroll  e0777414-4790-4fa0-9ce1-d889f604f26e@googlegroups.com
        MrDFS  0qstD.79312$uJ2.3100@fx27.iad
      SteveCarroll  055d7376-8773-4ca9-8cd3-4fd8c1a2764f@googlegroups.com
    MrDFS  W1ztD.39291$xo2.777@fx31.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.14--1.41am.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, News.Software.Readers, Alt.Free.Newsservers
    ╱ 39  m185 Top; 1.3 Weeks, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win8.1, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Oct  4 {  6:23pm, 2018 }:  ^(-4)  Wხϻк
      "Path:" is the only line that's never fake.

> That code above downloads from blocknews and writes to files 
> 10 to 20 posts per second (depending on your network speed).
> 
> > > > I don't know how to get the article bodies that fast so it still takes
> > > > ~5 minutes for 1000 posts. 
> > > > 12 thousand posts per hour it's no speed demon but it works.

I prefer "Text" (INN) servers because they have accurate "Path:" lines;
"Path:" is the only line that's never fake;
for anonymity, "Binary" servers remove it.

A year and a half ago, I told you:

  Glorb [ an INN server, Like "EternalSeptember" ] is taking just 
  4 seconds to download a thousand posts, full header and body.

  I "pipeline" 100 "Article" commands at a time ( all at once ),
  and I use a 4 MegaByte input buffer -- it's very sophisticated.

  Upon receiving a chunk ( e.g. a 30 KiloByte Article ),
  I check for proper line endings -- "\r\n" in the header, 
  "\r" and/or "\n" in the body, if the "Content-Type:" is text.

  I don't parse the Body UnlessAndUntil I have the full header
  ( so I know what the "Content-Type:" is ).
  The body itself may have varios (MIME) "Content-Type:" lines.
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      HerbertGlazier  4dabc6fe-75d3-4724-aa68-c3a85d6669eb@googlegroups.com
    SamWormley  0799f886-fe91-4013-a298-3ffd9a7c7eff@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.13--11.45pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 5  m10 Cool; 1.4 Weeks, GoogleG,  Oct  3 {  6:51pm, 2018 }:14^(PDT)  WხIΤ
      Idiots play dice; nature is _ not an idiot.

> John Bell proposed a brilliant method to resolve the issue.
> God DOES play dice with the universe!

Idiots play dice; nature is _ not an idiot.

Once the cards are all dealt, and the dice stop rolling,
and the bets are paid out, the "probability wave" has collapsed.

The biggest "loophole" in Bell's Theorem is:

  It's an ensemble of tests, a series, not just one test...
  like a pollster, asking 5 _ liars if they'll vote for Hillary or not.

You can't prove anything, not ThermoDynamics ( Entropy and eXergy ),
nor General Relativity; in fact, they _ contradict each other.

The best you can do is:

  - Find it useful ( in its domain ).
  - Try to Falsify it ( in its domain ).
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              BenJacoby  ppqgso$ed4$1@gioia.aioe.org
            Odd_Bodkin│bodkinodd@gmail_com  ppqmvv$pf9$1@gioia.aioe.org
          BenJacoby  ppr372$1d7c$3@gioia.aioe.org
        Odd_Bodkin│bodkinodd@gmail_com  ppr674$1ic0$1@gioia.aioe.org
      BenJacoby  pprivf$25t$1@gioia.aioe.org
    Odd_Bodkin│bodkinodd@gmail_com  ppssar$fj$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.13--10.51pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m121 Cool; 15.1 Hours, NewsTap➤iPad, Aioe.ORG,  Oct 13 {  6:35am, 2018 }:23  Wჴʇბ
      You can't _ measure motion if you never stop measuring.

> Zeno concluded motion is impossible and an illusion.

You can't _ measure motion if you never stop measuring.

Our ability to measure varies with scale;
many things can't be measured, such as the "mass" of a photon,
or the volume of a "singularity".

My "theory of everything" ( including our feeble minds ):

2016, NASA's Fermi Gamma-ray Space Telescope found 
the brightest objects known to man: gamma-ray blazars,
Two Trillion times the sun's output.

They're young, of course, just 1.4 billion years old, 
multi-billion-solar-mass black holes, in "Active Galactic Nuclei".

Like The Known Universe itself, blazars had more exergy,
less entropy, when they were younger. 

At the start, there was "no entropy" ("no time, no space"), just "eXergy" 
( a type of energy that can do physical work, force * distance ).

Everything decays, even gravity; hence the arrow of time.
Entropy converts blazars into SpaceTime.  Gravity is residual eXergy.

Eventually, this eXergy will be consumed away, replaced with entropy,
leaving us with a uniform heat bath that has all of the energy
but none of the eXergy.  

Einstein's Cosmological Constant ( 1.11 * 10^−52 / Meters^2 ) tells us 
that outer space is growing EXPONENTIALLY, gravity is dying off;
-- i.e. the "Heat Death" predicted by Lord Kelvin, 1852,
   is the most likley outcome.
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              JohnSefton  28f82a6f-493d-48a3-8bcd-7e575d0ae511@googlegroups.com
            Odd_Bodkin│bodkinodd@gmail_com  ppl7lu$1sdq$4@gioia.aioe.org
          BenJacoby  pplsrh$120b$1@gioia.aioe.org
        Odd_Bodkin│bodkinodd@gmail_com  ppltki$13gb$1@gioia.aioe.org
      BenJacoby  ppm6am$1emn$1@gioia.aioe.org
    Odd_Bodkin│bodkinodd@gmail_com  ppnfmc$1fa6$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.13--10.38pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 14  m121 Cool; 2.7 Days, NewsTap➤iPhone, Aioe.ORG,  Oct 11 {  5:29am, 2018 }:    Wჳ4к
      Einstein never said you should be able to explain physics to a barmaid.

Einstein never said you should be able to explain physics to a barmaid.

Whenever you hear an "Einstein" quote you can be pretty sure it's fake. 
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              RonB│ronb02NOSPAM@gmail_com  ppriec$rv6$3@dont-email.me
            ChrisAhlstrom  ppsfrc$ekb$2@dont-email.me
          Silicon_Vee│siliconvee1945  877eimp31c.fsf@yahoo.com
        HughHuntzinger  ef718feb-0c16-425f-9326-3fb36ee67cd5@googlegroups.com
      Silicon_Vee│siliconvee1945  87efcu2gwk.fsf@yahoo.com
    HughHuntzinger  1e46bdb0-c2c6-41f2-b5f0-b4e7b5499d6f@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.13--8.20pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m38 Top; 4.7 Hours, GoogleG, 71.251.40.150,  Oct 13 {  1:48pm, 2018 }:17^(PDT)  WჴιH
      Who isn't "owned", you ?!

You (Hugh) wrote:
> someone OWNS him [ Kavanaugh ].  

Who, the bankers ? What's your _ conspiracy theory ?
We ( you, the media, and the FBI ) are watching him closely.

Who isn't "owned", you ?!

> the "deal" that Trump just bragged about for NAFTA 
> was actually unchanged [ or worse ].
> we're still waiting on that promised deal with North Korea, China ... 

Sounds like there isn't going to be much change, right ?

It's (popular) lip service to American workers, apparently.

What do you think of China's "Social Credit System" ?

  WikiPedia.ORG/wiki/Social_Credit_System#Criticism
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      SamWormley  72af95be-7b76-4d20-963c-65c024ea9d5f@googlegroups.com
    MrAA  34f977b2-f2ee-452c-9340-d7322ff0d015@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.12--3.23pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m68 Top; 17.3 Minutes, GoogleG, 205.153.48.25,  Oct 12 {  2:29pm, 2018 }: 2^(PDT)  Wჳნм
      The Soviet Marxist with the KoolAid.

> > 56 million years ago, the poles were tropical:
> > YouTube.COM/watch?v=ldLBoErAhz4

Like it or not, time marches forward, (climate) change happens.
Plants want _ more warmth and carbon dioxide.

4.5 billion years ago, the surface of earth was molten.
56 million years ago (PETM), the poles were tropical, not icy;
then and there, us primates first appeared; 3 million years later,
we were most everywhere; 22 million years later, the poles froze.

The Unibomber makes mainstream environmentalists look like
Donald Trump on steroids -- and they remind me of Jim Jones,
the Soviet Marxist with the KoolAid.

Ask them for a working example of "progressive collectivism",
and they don't mention JonesTown, or Venezuela, or North Korea;
no, they say BlueEyed Norway -- very Hitleresque.
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              pandora│pandora@peak_org  97CdndUPtKtWMSLGnZ2dnUU7-YudnZ2d@scnresearch.com
            Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.362955114e08f9a7994f8f@news.altopia.com
          pandora│pandora@peak_org  _-mdnT2QK6rzKyLGnZ2dnUU7-dGdnZ2d@scnresearch.com
        Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.3629d828eef3e079994f93@news.altopia.com
      kensi│kkensington01@gmail_  ppqant$1su$4@gioia.aioe.org
    Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.362a915b22476a19994fb9@news.altopia.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.12--1.16pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╳ 1  m293 Top; 42.5 Minutes, MicroPlanet, Alt.NET,  Oct 12 {   : 9pm, 2018 }:55^(-7)  Wჳхϛ
      Used Car Salesmen are more scientific than Kensi.

You (Checkmate) replied ( to kensi ):
> > > Seven background checks and 
> > > an all-day Q&A with Kavanaugh and Ford wasn't enough ?
> > 
> > What about her own testimony?
> 
> If I claim you exposed yourself to me 35 years ago, 
> is it up to you to prove you didn't ?  
> 
> Think like the scientist you claim you are.

Used Car Salesmen are more scientific than Kensi.
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    Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  ppo90f$alo$9@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.12--1.21am.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    +-, 12.1 Hours, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Oct 11 {   :41pm, 2018 }: 3  WჳɄн
      Blue Ain't Your Color.

Nadegda:
> VOTE BLUE!!

" Blue Ain't Your Color ", by Keith Urban:
YouTube.COM/watch?v=SoIKv3xxuMA
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              kensi│kkensington01@gmail_  ppnvvp$e24$4@gioia.aioe.org
            pandora│pandora@peak_org  1f-dnV10U6LsDiLGnZ2dnUU7-dudnZ2d@scnresearch.com
          Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.36294ccc91ace4cd994f8b@news.altopia.com
        Your_Friendly_Neighbourhood_  6tednW_ZJoYfMCLGnZ2dnUU7-V3NnZ2d@giganews.com
      pandora│pandora@peak_org  97CdndAPtKuRLSLGnZ2dnUU7-YudnZ2d@scnresearch.com
    Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.3629582c947821a1994f92@news.altopia.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.11--3.46pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 1  m271 Top; 1.1 Hours, MicroPlanet, Alt.NET,  Oct 11 {  1:53pm, 2018 }:38^(-7)  Wჳɘრ
      They march because they're UnEmployable.

You (Checkmate) replied ( to Pandora ):
> > I find it interesting that the *right* is totally afraid of 
> > a bunch of "women" protesting but they aren't afraid of NeoNazis.
> 
> Have you seen any NeoNazis marching anywhere lately ?  
> All I see is Libtard radicals like AntiFa, every day.
> Try driving through downtown Portland, and see if you make it.

Ironically, AntiFa is fascist.  They march because they're UnEmployable.
Fascism ( fasc(io), bundle ) is collectivism,
meant to suppress the individual, in the face of "a dying world".
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              Lunar_Opticfibre│jfwaldby  lTtuD.133362$8r2.57835@fx34.iad
            Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.362429c59c669c8c994ec5@news.altopia.com
          Lunar_Opticfibre│jfwaldby  sXwuD.243403$Ac3.114777@fx45.iad
        Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.36245a391fb53ccd994ed7@news.altopia.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.7--7.33pm.Seattle.2018
    Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.3625ef7370076159994f0b@news.altopia.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.9--0.20am.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m136 Top; 6.2 Minutes, MicroPlanet, Alt.NET,  Oct  8 { 11:50pm, 2018 }: 2^(-7)  WჱΝɺ
      Is sex dirty ?  Only if it's done right.

> > Jeff-Relf.Me/Urethral.Opening.JPG
> > Notice how it hangs down, into the vagina.
> 
> I've never had a girl piss on me during sex.  Is this how you like it?

" sex is dirty [...] if you’re doing it right "
  -- "Take the Money and Run" by Woody Allen, 1969, 19min, 23sec

" Sex alleviates tension.  Love causes it. "
  -- Woody Allen, "A Midsummer Night's Sex Comedy", 1982

I'm the "U" in LGBTU ( too "Ugly" to get lucky ); however, 
in some alternate universe, where I got "Mark Zuckerberg" lucky,
I'd finger it like a lesbian, no matter if she squirted or not.

The maid would clean it up.
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              kensi│kkensington01@gmail_  ppcohs$1ho7$3@gioia.aioe.org
            Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.3623893097b9598e994ea9@news.altopia.com
          kensi│kkensington01@gmail_  ppct0l$1qq9$2@gioia.aioe.org
        Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  fm0krd13htohi4pktqd1oj0stvl2jshtgt@4ax.com
      kensi│kkensington01@gmail_  ppd5bl$kfs$1@gioia.aioe.org
    Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.3623fa5b90a46b2c994eb3@news.altopia.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.7--7.47pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Talk.Politics.Guns, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 5  m243 Top; 7.4 Hours, MicroPlanet, Alt.NET,  Oct  7 {   :12pm, 2018 }: 2^(-7)  WჰΡ2
      One of the cards woman play.

You (Checkmate) replied ( to kensi ):
> > > Fomenting revolution is a crime
> > 
> > Tell it to George Washington.  I'm past caring at this point.
> 
> You may have problems getting on that airplane to Helsinki.  
> You're probably already on the no-fly list.
> You're being carefully watched...

I might've left the city, if Kavanaugh hadn't been confirmed.
Just today, a woman told a BaldFaced lie about me to the cops.
Apparently, this is just one of the cards they play.
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              Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  bmujrdt7ap0ac7klnh8saacv1b63hughk4@4ax.com
            Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.3623fd08df64043f994eb5@news.altopia.com
          Lunar_Opticfibre│jfwaldby  lTtuD.133362$8r2.57835@fx34.iad
        Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.362429c59c669c8c994ec5@news.altopia.com
      Lunar_Opticfibre│jfwaldby  sXwuD.243403$Ac3.114777@fx45.iad
    Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.36245a391fb53ccd994ed7@news.altopia.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.7--7.33pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m137 Top; 14.8 Minutes, MicroPlanet, Alt.NET,  Oct  7 {  7: 1pm, 2018 }: 2^(-7)  WჰВȴ
      Finger this, see what happens.

Checkmate:
> Females... even "girls," generally don't squirt their 
> partners off the bed unless they have a squirt gun.

Were you born in a barn, before 1960 ?

Finger this, see what happens:

  Jeff-Relf.Me/Urethral.Opening.JPG

Notice how it hangs down, into the vagina.
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            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.7--0.47am.Seattle.2018
          Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  bmujrdt7ap0ac7klnh8saacv1b63hughk4@4ax.com
        Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.3623fd08df64043f994eb5@news.altopia.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.7--0.39pm.Seattle.2018
    Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.362429f2f5d1c610994ec6@news.altopia.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.7--4.33pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 18  m134 Cool; 47.1 Minutes, MicroPlanet, Alt.NET,  Oct  7 {  3:35pm, 2018 }: 8^(-7)  Wჰϐт
      Checkmate is a BabySitter and a toilet bowl cleaner ?

> > Asset prices are rising but that can change.

The Fed is stepping on the brakes.

You (Checkmate) replied ( to me ):
> > If you don't do most of the work yourself,
> > you're going to be paying through the nose:
> > negative cash flow.
> 
> I've always done everything myself.

You're a BabySitter and a toilet bowl cleaner ?
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      carleto4157990662@gmail_com  c95e43e0-46a0-498e-8dc4-c82a1a38b940@googlegroups.com
    MrAA  e139b60e-6395-42a6-bf07-4843b580987e@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.7--3.30pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m76 Top; 18.6 Minutes, GoogleG, 205.153.48.25,  Oct  7 {  3: 4pm, 2018 }:10^(PDT)  Wჰυϸ
      The economy will slow down, asset prices will drop.

> > If Kavanaugh is confirmed the Market will crash.
> 
> I the Democrats win, the market will crash!

Kavanaugh was confirmed.

The economy will slow down, asset prices will drop;
Trump's trade war and the Fed are hitting the brakes.
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        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.7--0.47am.Seattle.2018
      Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  bmujrdt7ap0ac7klnh8saacv1b63hughk4@4ax.com
    Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.3623fd08df64043f994eb5@news.altopia.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.7--0.39pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 18  m133 Cool; 12.2 Minutes, MicroPlanet, Alt.NET,  Oct  7 {   :23pm, 2018 }:23^(-7)  WჰΣბ
      Asset prices are rising but that can change.

Checkmate:
> I've made more money owning real estate than I have working.
> Makes me wonder why I didn't pursue that full time.

Asset prices are rising but that can change.

If you don't do most of the work yourself,
you're going to be paying through the nose:
negative cash flow.
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      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.7--0.47am.Seattle.2018
    Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  bmujrdt7ap0ac7klnh8saacv1b63hughk4@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.7--0.34pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 6  m165 Mad; 5.3 Hours, F_Agent, Alt.NET,  Oct  7 {  5:24am, 2018 }:30^(-4)  WჰɼU
      Rooming Houses are better.

Greg:
> Renting is STUPID!  Might as well throw away money. 
> Work hard, earn a good wage and then BUY.

....says the man who's been banished to a remote cabin.

In the Seattle-Tacoma-Bellevue metro area,
only 60% of households are "buyers" ( not renting ).

A typical renter, with a typical job, 
can only afford to pay $800/month... enough for 
a tiny, private room ( SRO, Single Room Only ), 
with HouseMates ( shared kitchen/bath ).

It takes 2.2 such people to afford a one bedroom apartment;
but, if you did that, you'd have BunkMates ( not HouseMates )
in your bedroom !  Rooming Houses are better.
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.7--0.47am.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
      The 25 least affordable metros for renters.

Quoting CreditSesame.COM, Sep 17, 2018:

  Out of all 150 metros analyzed, there were only three in which renters
  earned more than needed to cover the cost of a one-bedroom apartment; to wit:

    Fort Smith, AR-OK,  Killeen-Temple, TX,  Fort Wayne, IN.  
797 = 1,770 / 2.22                  
Boston  Seatl  SanJos  SanFrn  NewYrk  LosAng   

61      60      57      54      51      48      % NonRenter/Total  Ratio (Safety)
2.6     2.22    2.48    3       2.95    2.85    # of HouseMates Required (Danger)

1,990   1,770   2,500   2,667   2,127   1,954   $ Median 1-bedroom rent  (Price)
14.70   15.35   19.41   17.06   13.87   13.19   $ Est. hourly wage for renters
38.27   34.04   48.08   51.29   40.90   37.58   $ Hourly wage needed to pay rent

The 25 least affordable metros for renters:

   1. San Francisco-Oakland-Hayward, CA
   2. New York-Newark-Jersey City, NY-NJ-PA
   3. Los Angeles-Long Beach-Anaheim, CA
   4. Boston-Cambridge-Newton, MA-NH
   9. San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara, CA
  17. Seattle-Tacoma-Bellevue, WA
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              HerbertGlazier  4dabc6fe-75d3-4724-aa68-c3a85d6669eb@googlegroups.com
            SamWormley  0799f886-fe91-4013-a298-3ffd9a7c7eff@googlegroups.com
          HerbertGlazier  33af3f38-02c6-437c-af4c-565265858725@googlegroups.com
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.5--5.56am.Seattle.2018
      HerbertGlazier  f7ec08df-dd02-4b12-a118-4fcf80c323a5@googlegroups.com
    MrAA  a23bd62e-5a11-49c0-afa9-b8615c6d7a0e@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.6--3.54pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate, Alt.Atheism
    ╱ 3  m73 Top; 2.1 Hours, GoogleG, 205.153.50.5,  Oct  6 {  1:38pm, 2018 }:29^(PDT)  Wჯეʕ
      Hare Krishna, Hare Rama, Hare Jesus.

> > > Einstein was right, Sam is wrong.
> > > "God" is nature; silly man is the one playing dice.
> > 
> > Those that don't believe the bible go to hell.
> 
> Bert, you spend a lot of time bashing God and religion.
> Must mean you worry a lot about it possibly all being true!

Both Einstein and Neil deGrasse Tyson hate the word "atheist"
because people think it means you _ hate all religions,
when, in fact, you might enjoy parts of them, as I do.

George Harrison’s "My Sweet Lord" by "Family & Friends", Nov 2016:
  YouTube.COM/watch?v=4IrMlYDMDhM

Hare Krishna, Hare Rama, Hare Jesus.

Rama is the seventh avatar of Vishnu, 
one of his most popular incarnations,
along with Krishna, and Gautama Buddha.
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      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.4--8.49pm.Seattle.2018
    Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  pp81ql$cv6$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.5--0.23pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 9  m225 Mad; 3 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win7, Aioe.ORG,  Oct  5 {  9:  am, 2018 }:13^(-5)  WჯeD
      This statement is _ useful, if not entirely accurate.

> if everyone is a liar, are you lying about everyone being a liar ?

The notion of mass is useful, if not entirely accurate.
Likewise, this statement is _ useful, if not entirely accurate:

  Everyone is selling something, therefore everyone is a "liar".

Dr. Ford is a liar.  Kavanaugh is a liar.  Bill Clinton is a liar.
Trump is a better salesman/liar; and the left is seething with jealousy.

Quoting today's NYTimes:
 
  " What we’re seeing with Kavanaugh is a dry run", 
  said Roger J. Stone Jr., a longtime friend of the president’s 
  who has strong ties to conservative activists.

  " You’ve seen the dress rehearsal for
    the impeachment of President Donald Trump. "
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            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.4--8.49pm.Seattle.2018
          Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  pp6pi5$1dc$19@dont-email.me
        MichaelMoroney  pp81na$6eh$2@pcls7.std.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.5--0.01pm.Seattle.2018
    Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  vcdfrddc62191ej6cjigt8bqmptgn5t274@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.5--0.15pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 16  m156 Cool; 4.8 Minutes, F_Agent, Alt.NET,  Oct  5 {   : 4pm, 2018 }:38^(-4)  WჯȼФ
      Redundancy is less bad than being a rapey incel.

You (Greg) replied ( to me ):
> Being a liar is preferable to being redundant - like you are.

Redundancy is less bad than being a rapey incel - like you are.
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        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.4--8.49pm.Seattle.2018
      Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  pp6pi5$1dc$19@dont-email.me
    MichaelMoroney  pp81na$6eh$2@pcls7.std.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.5--0.01pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m109 Dropped; 3 Hours, nn, TheWorld.COM,  Oct  5 {  8:58am, 2018 }:34  WჯdР
      The notion of mass is useful, if not entirely accurate.

Michael Moroney replied ( to Nadegda ):
> > > In physics, the notion of "mass" ( rest mass ) is useful.
> > > The notion doesn't have to be entirely accurate ( nothing is at rest ),
> > > it just has to be useful.
> > 
> > What the fuck ? How does that even relate to your first paragraph ??
> 
> Relf probably has adult ADHD or something. 
> He frequently bounces around among unrelated thoughts.

The notion of mass is useful, if not entirely accurate.
Likewise, this statement is _ useful, if not entirely accurate:

  Everyone is selling something, therefore everyone is a "liar".

Dr. Ford is a liar.  Kavanaugh is a liar.  Bill Clinton is a liar.
Trump is a better salesman/liar; and the left is seething with jealousy.
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        HerbertGlazier  4dabc6fe-75d3-4724-aa68-c3a85d6669eb@googlegroups.com
      SamWormley  0799f886-fe91-4013-a298-3ffd9a7c7eff@googlegroups.com
    HerbertGlazier  33af3f38-02c6-437c-af4c-565265858725@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.5--5.56am.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 2  m210 Top; 20 Hours, GoogleG, 74.118.32.5,  Oct  4 {  9:33am, 2018 }:54^(PDT)  WხʥϚ
      "God" is nature; silly man is the one playing dice.

Sam:
> > God DOES play dice with the universe !

News Flash:  Einstein was right, Sam is wrong.

"God" is nature; silly man is the one playing dice.

Once the cards are all dealt, and the dice stop rolling,
and the bets are paid out, the "probability wave" has collapsed.

The biggest "loophole" in Bell's Theorem is:

  It's an ensemble of tests, a series, not just one test...
  like a pollster, asking 5 _ liars if they'll vote for Hillary or not.

You can't prove anything, not ThermoDynamics ( Entropy and eXergy ),
nor General Relativity; in fact, they _ contradict each other.

The best you can do is:

  - Find it useful ( in its domain ).
  - Try to Falsify it ( in its domain ).
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        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.4--8.49pm.Seattle.2018
      Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  pp6pi5$1dc$19@dont-email.me
    BenJacoby  pp7014$d7b$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.5--5.21am.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m253 Dropped; 5.5 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Aioe.ORG,  Oct  4 { 11:23pm, 2018 }:34^(-4)  Wხнნ
      Watch out "kensi" [sic], we have your number.

Ben wrote:
> Nads and "kensi" [sic] are both liars.
> They try to sell globull worming and socialism 
> but, unlike Trump, they're no good at sales.
> They are SO jealous they could spit!

Watch out "kensi" [sic], Ben has your number.
Your JonesTown is in peril, we're not drinking your KoolAid.

The Unibomber makes you mainstream environmentalists 
look like Donald Trump on steroids.

> > > In physics, the notion of "mass" ( rest mass ) is useful.
> > > The notion doesn't have to be entirely accurate ( nothing is at rest ),
> > > it just has to be useful.
> > 
> > What the fuck ? How does that even relate to your first paragraph ??
> 
> Also Libtards have NO as in ZERO understanding of science. 
> All they can understand is "journalist science" bullshit.
> They are SO jealous!

Exactly, the left is clueless.

The notion of mass is useful, if not entirely accurate.
This statement is _ useful, if not entirely accurate:

  Everyone is selling something, therefore everyone is a "liar".

Dr. Ford is a liar.  Kavanaugh is a liar.  Bill Clinton is a liar.
Trump is a better salesman/liar; and the left is seething with jealousy.
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      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.4--8.49pm.Seattle.2018
    Libor_Striz│poutnik4REMOVEnntp  pp6vt8$5ml$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.5--5.01am.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m26 Cool; 5.5 Hours, PiaoHong_Usenet_Client_Fr, Eternal-September.ORG,  Oct  4 { 11:21pm, 2018 }:27^(GMT+02:00)  Wხнθ
      The notion of mass is useful, if not entirely accurate.

Libor replied ( to me ):
> > Everyone is selling something, therefore everyone is a "liar".
> 
> Such a statement is self-contradictory.

The statement is _ useful, if not entirely accurate.

> > In physics, the notion of "mass" ( rest mass ) is useful.
> > The notion doesn't have to be entirely accurate ( nothing is at rest ),
> > it just has to be useful.
> 
> Physics prefers consistency, what means a lack of contradictions.

The notion of mass is useful, if not entirely accurate.

  Dr. Ford is a liar.  Kavanaugh is a liar.  Bill Clinton is a liar.
  Trump is a better salesman/liar; and the left is _ seething with jealousy.
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.4--8.49pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
      Everyone is a "liar".

  Everyone is selling something, therefore everyone is a "liar".
  Dr. Ford is a liar.  Kavanaugh is a liar.  Bill Clinton is a liar.
  Trump is a better salesman/liar; and the left is _ seething with jealousy.
  They are jealous of his talents, not his money.

  In physics, the notion of "mass" ( rest mass ) is useful.
  The notion doesn't have to be entirely accurate ( nothing is at rest ),
  it just has to be useful.
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    Archimedes_Plutonium│plutonium_  1395f87b-0ea3-4938-9da3-a93c3e356fe8@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.2--4.17pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics
    -Dropped, 1.4 Hours, GoogleG,  Oct  2 {  2:47pm, 2018 }:30^(PDT)  Wჭɡი
      It's not my fault that you don't have a dollar.

You (Archimedes) informed us:
> pay something like a $1 and have a customized "pleasing reply"
> to your crackpot missive.

It's not my fault that you don't have a dollar.
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              Avenging_Angel│Not_fucking_  XnsA96D9C9F731FAgreyghost471bazinga@85.214.115.223
            ChrisAhlstrom  pots8a$7dl$3@dont-email.me
          BranimirMaksimovic  nuvsD.721743$PJ7.581214@fx01.am4
        Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  poujei$at2$3@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.1--9.29pm.Seattle.2018
    Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  pp0qod$1of$13@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.2--3.52pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 4  m204 Mad; 17.4 Minutes, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Oct  2 {  3:16pm, 2018 }:45  WჭɦЫ
      Who would you rather marry ?

You (Nadegda) replied ( to me ):
> > Capitalists are nicer to the poor
> 
> [citation needed]

Who would you rather marry ? 
a capitalist like Jeff Bezos or a Marxist like Jim Jones ? 

You're selling it but no one is buying it.

> > Ask them for a working example of "progressive collectivism", and they
> > don't mention JonesTown, or Venezuela, or North Korea;
> > no, they say BlueEyed Norway -- very Hitleresque.
> 
> I think that stuff you've been doing is cut with something nasty. 
> It's causing brain damage.

" By all means, compare these shitheads to Nazis.  Again and again. 
  I'm with you, Jeff." -- Mike Godwin, Oct 2, 2018, 3:44pm
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              Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.361ad31f219b32e7994ce6@news.altopia.com
            Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  pos00i$mhp$122@dont-email.me
          Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.361b6494c1c26e88994cfd@news.altopia.com
        Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  pouo0j$at2$16@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.1--9.45pm.Seattle.2018
    BenJacoby  pp0h0s$1q56$3@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.2--1.01pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m99 Dropped; 16.8 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Aioe.ORG,  Oct  2 {   :30pm, 2018 }:38^(-4)  WჭɁc
      China's Slave Trade.

> Trump will be opening trade with North Korea soon, 

Will this affect your slave trade operations in China ?
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              Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.361b6494c1c26e88994cfd@news.altopia.com
            Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  pouo0j$at2$16@dont-email.me
          Lunar_Opticfibre│jfwaldby  YuBsD.165250$cL2.51990@fx43.iad
        Chris_M_Thomasson│invalid_  pouqbi$5t1$2@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.1--9.37pm.Seattle.2018
    BenJacoby  pp0gu9$1q56$2@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.2--0.53pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 3  m99 Dropped; 18.2 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Aioe.ORG,  Oct  2 {   :29pm, 2018 }:15^(-4)  Wჭɀщ
      Trump could sell accusations to a Dr. Ford.

> > Trump is a salesman.
> 
> And judging from the professional level of his bullshit,
> I'd say a damn good one, too!

Right, Trump could sell accusations to a Dr. Ford. 
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              Sam_ONella│poison@donteatit_  if4a09vz85c8.1v1sz59004dyu$.dlg@40tude.net
            HughHuntzinger  dfa353a3-f62b-4a2b-95c2-f1496033549c@googlegroups.com
          Sam_ONella│poison@donteatit_  1uwnw4jq2rh6$.gkbllwybsxv6.dlg@40tude.net
        HughHuntzinger  73e7e6b3-ff37-4130-9a96-cec60267b9e0@googlegroups.com
      Sam_ONella│poison@donteatit_  slh2lsxw5py2$.e6nbqon35s5c.dlg@40tude.net
    HughHuntzinger  c823eb30-4fc5-4706-9422-f2c576a0cf91@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.2--6.58am.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m31 Top; 13.4 Minutes, GoogleG, 143.85.5.18,  Oct  2 {  6:30am, 2018 }: 8^(PDT)  WჭF8
      Depending on how you define the word "is"...

Depending on how you define the word "is",
President Clinton stuck a cigar up an intern's pussy, in the Oval Office. 

If we locked up all the liars, there'd be no one left guard the prison.
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              Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.3619a73bd3a0da68994cb1@news.altopia.com
            ！Snit  e7gzosuir3vy$.kibnw0nobrfc.dlg@40tude.net
          Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  pop8og$mhp$89@dont-email.me
        ！Snit  1r3oxo57mau8y$.1ribx762j9owu.dlg@40tude.net
      Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  popagb$mhp$93@dont-email.me
    Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.361ca2febd4aba0994d38@news.altopia.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.2--6.41am.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m106 Cool; 7.5 Hours, MicroPlanet, Alt.NET,  Oct  1 { 10:33pm, 2018 }:23^(-7)  Wწеδ
      An IQ of 185.

> > <takes IQ test>
> > <gets 180>
> 
> Damn... I didn't know we had so many fuckin' geniuses in here.

A good friend of mine had an IQ of 185.

Boy, was he fucked up ?!   he hung himself.
R.I.P., "Michael Benedict Lockett".  
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              Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  popgec$mhp$100@dont-email.me
            ScottDoty  g1cua2F7dt5U4@mid.individual.net
          Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  pos0b8$mhp$125@dont-email.me
        Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.361b60126d50971e994cfa@news.altopia.com
      Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  potdd5$hvh$1@gioia.aioe.org
    Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  pouoof$at2$20@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.1--9.49pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m195 Mad; 53.3 Minutes, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Oct  1 {  8:30pm, 2018 }:23  WწСN
      When you're done, the poor are poorer than they ever were.

You (Nadegda) replied ( to Sergio ):
> the morals Rapepublicans push on our kids:
>   use women as decorative objects and sex toys

You want to rob the rich but end up robbing the poor.
When you're done, the poor are poorer than they ever were.
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              Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.361aa8914fc4d76f994cda@news.altopia.com
            Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  pora76$mhp$108@dont-email.me
          Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.361ad31f219b32e7994ce6@news.altopia.com
        Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  pos00i$mhp$122@dont-email.me
      Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.361b6494c1c26e88994cfd@news.altopia.com
    Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  pouo0j$at2$16@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.1--9.45pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╳ 3  m195 Mad; 1.1 Hours, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Oct  1 {  8:17pm, 2018 }:39  WწОს
      Take your kids and friends with you, please.

You (Nadegda) replied ( to Checkmate ):
> If Kavanaugh ascends to the Supreme Court, that's it, I'm gone.
> The United States of America will be a lost cause.

Take your kids and friends with you, please;
we need the job openings and cheaper rent.
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              Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.361ad31f219b32e7994ce6@news.altopia.com
            Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  pos00i$mhp$122@dont-email.me
          Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.361b6494c1c26e88994cfd@news.altopia.com
        Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  pouo0j$at2$16@dont-email.me
      Lunar_Opticfibre│jfwaldby  YuBsD.165250$cL2.51990@fx43.iad
    Chris_M_Thomasson│invalid_  pouqbi$5t1$2@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.1--9.37pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m105 Cool; 26 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Oct  1 {  8:57pm, 2018 }:38^(-7)  WწХσ
      Trump is a salesman.

> Is Trump a total moron, a genius, or some sort of strange "hybrid"?

Trump is a salesman.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.30--6.15am.Seattle.2018
            BranimirMaksimovic  g14sD.262995$_V.126688@fx32.am4
          Avenging_Angel│Not_fucking_  XnsA96D9C9F731FAgreyghost471bazinga@85.214.115.223
        ChrisAhlstrom  pots8a$7dl$3@dont-email.me
      BranimirMaksimovic  nuvsD.721743$PJ7.581214@fx01.am4
    Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  poujei$at2$3@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.1--9.29pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 14  m195 Mad; 2.4 Hours, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Oct  1 {  6:59pm, 2018 }:46  WწБშ
      Capitalists are nicer to the poor because they can afford it.

> > History has shown that capitalist countries are more socialist
> 
> can we please hear from someone actually *literate*?

Capitalists are nicer to the poor because they can afford it.

The Unibomber makes mainstream environmentalists look like
Donald Trump on steroids -- and they remind me of Jim Jones
( I'm not drinking their KoolAid ).

Ask them for a working example of "progressive collectivism",
and they don't mention JonesTown, or Venezuela, or North Korea;
no, they say BlueEyed Norway -- very Hitleresque.
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              Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  rir4rdtiu0tnep9dlhi0gq20ilfjki6du5@4ax.com
            Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.361c1c1655dcac994d10@news.altopia.com
          Sam_ONella│poison@donteatit_  t7jmddr17una$.jumt68iiyn3z$.dlg@40tude.net
        AndrzejMatuch  QOxsD.136923$MK2.125723@fx35.iad
      BenJacoby  pouamv$5mr$1@gioia.aioe.org
    Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  poukc1$hov$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.1--8.43pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m38 Cool; 1 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win7, Aioe.ORG,  Oct  1 {  7:15pm, 2018 }:35^(-5)  WწДπ
      I'm too Ugly to fuck (U), so it's LGBTQAXYZRNEHPU.

> LGBTQAXYZ, wait... need to add RN for re-narded, E for Eunuchs,
> H for the Hijras, and P for poofs/pussies (the person, not the thing)
> LGBTQAXYZRNEHP

I'm too Ugly to fuck (U); so it's LGBTQAXYZRNEHPU. 
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.30--8.37pm.Seattle.2018
            Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  pos7c6$mhp$127@dont-email.me
          Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.361b4fbb9224a717994cf6@news.altopia.com
        Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  posfhn$mhp$131@dont-email.me
      Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.361b6981330db046994d05@news.altopia.com
    Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  poujvf$at2$4@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.1--8.34pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m101 Cool; 7.8 Minutes, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Oct  1 {  7: 8pm, 2018 }:47  WწГʧ
      Did Diogenes ever find his honest man ?

You (Nadegda) replied ( to Checkmate ):
> If anything, the real disqualifier here is the repeated lying under oath, 
> which is easily proved and absolutely cannot be tolerated in any member of 
> the judicial branch.

Every salesman is a liar; and we're all selling it.
Did Diogenes ever find his honest man ?

Kavanaugh was a blackout drunk in high school;
beer and groupies were his obsession; see: 
  Slate.COM/news-and-politics/2018/09/brett-kavanaugh-yearbook-devils-triangle-boofing-renate-ralph-club.html

All the same, I doubt Dr. Ford was kidnapped.
Likely, they're _ both lying, Ford and Kavanaugh.

This is another example of how "FaceBook" can ruin your life.

> > It's getting late.  Time to pop my nightly benzo and call it a day. 
> > Will you be joining me soon?
> 
> What was that?

An "Inception (2010 film)" reference ?  Maybe he likes you.
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              HughHuntzinger  e39c5c8c-3cf0-40ae-b2b0-f5183f635807@googlegroups.com
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.30--8.37pm.Seattle.2018
          HughHuntzinger  b67c3b59-b094-4d18-8223-cd37d9175a2c@googlegroups.com
        MrChrisV  cc44rdd8raqferfvr13kg5868gm6r6h7od@4ax.com
      RonB│ronb02NOSPAM@gmail_com  poto52$d8q$1@dont-email.me
    MrChrisV  obr4rddedcm2l04g9t5n08t2ouscfugemj@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.1--0.59pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 3  m136 Dropped; 32.1 Minutes, F_Agent, HighWinds➤Fastusenet.ORG,  Oct  1 {   :  pm, 2018 }:45^(-5)  WწΟj
      Dr. Ford has made 700,000$, so far, with her GoFundMe account.

MrChrisV wrote:
> Relf insinuates that even if Dr. Ford was assaulted,
> it's her own fault.

No, not at all, _ if she's telling the truth,
then it wasn't her fault.

She doesn't remember _ when it happened, 
she doesn't remember _ where it happened, or how she got home.  
She said she was kidnapped ! I don't believe it.

She's made 700,000$, so far, with her GoFundMe account.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.30--7.34am.Seattle.2018
            HughHuntzinger  e39c5c8c-3cf0-40ae-b2b0-f5183f635807@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.30--8.37pm.Seattle.2018
        HughHuntzinger  b67c3b59-b094-4d18-8223-cd37d9175a2c@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.1--6.57am.Seattle.2018
    HughHuntzinger  e7edd2ef-557f-46ba-b554-6626588aff48@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.1--10.01am.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m19 Top; 1.9 Minutes, GoogleG, 143.85.5.18,  Oct  1 {  7:42am, 2018 }:11^(PDT)  WწʓB
      Dr. Ford will leave the country ?

You (Hugh) replied:
> > How many jobs does Kavanaugh have ?
> 
> Just one, plus some minor income from speaking fees which add 10%.  

You know the details much better than me, apparently,
and I don't care to look into it further.
The latest FBI report should be here in less than a week.

I wonder if Dr. Ford will leave the country, as she said she would.
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              HughHuntzinger  237cb9d4-2e77-4da9-9fe7-5bae42feb07e@googlegroups.com
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.30--7.34am.Seattle.2018
          HughHuntzinger  e39c5c8c-3cf0-40ae-b2b0-f5183f635807@googlegroups.com
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.30--8.37pm.Seattle.2018
      HughHuntzinger  b67c3b59-b094-4d18-8223-cd37d9175a2c@googlegroups.com
    MrChrisV  cc44rdd8raqferfvr13kg5868gm6r6h7od@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.1--7.27am.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 3  m130 Dropped; 1.7 Hours, F_Agent, HighWinds➤Fastusenet.ORG,  Oct  1 {  5:28am, 2018 }:48^(-5)  WწɼЮ
      Mr. ChrisV, my publicist.

Mr. ChrisV, my publicist, wrote:
> " Oh my God, it's the finest code you'll ever see. "  -  Jeff Relf,
> describing his horrendous code, "Jeff-Relf.Me/X.ZIP".

The ( SpinFree ) context:  ＜＜

  Ezekiel:
  > Ridiculous nonsense like ~ line 138.
  >
  >    int zz ;
  >    #define z  zz=zz;

  You don't have to say, "line 138";
  I can search for "#define z".

  Say, for example, you want to break when i == 5; just type:

    if ( i == 5 )
      z  //  Set a break_point here.

  Do you have any idea how much time it saves me ? !
  Oh my God, it's the finest code you'll ever see.  ＞＞

  -- Groups.Google.COM/d/msg/comp.os.linux.advocacy/Zyqzyntxo-k/WI_q_un-MeoJ
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.30--5.22am.Seattle.2018
            HughHuntzinger  237cb9d4-2e77-4da9-9fe7-5bae42feb07e@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.30--7.34am.Seattle.2018
        HughHuntzinger  e39c5c8c-3cf0-40ae-b2b0-f5183f635807@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.30--8.37pm.Seattle.2018
    HughHuntzinger  b67c3b59-b094-4d18-8223-cd37d9175a2c@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.1--6.57am.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m17 Top; 43.5 Minutes, GoogleG,  Oct  1 {  4:14am, 2018 }: 6^(PDT)  Wწɰɾ
      Everyone on the left is jealous, seething with intent.

You (Hugh) replied:
> Kavanaugh very much appears to be living above his means [ $220K/yr ],
> which per Federal financial *and* Fed Security disclosure criteria
> are a red flag risk factor for both.  

How many jobs does he have ?

He's on his seventh HighProfile FBI investigation.
You think the FBI is in on it ?

> And getting back to your "who's greater" insinuation, his net worth has been
> independently estimated as being only $580K despite having the equity in that
> big $1.2M house and his net TSP retirement account balance - - this is grossly low
> for someone his age and employment level standing....heck, even I have a net worth
> that's higher than this guy, despite a job that pays half as much as his.

Here, in Seattle, a $1.2 Million home is rather crappy.
If you need work done, everyone charges $150 an hour;
every little thing cost thousands of dollars.

Imagine how much he has to spend to keep his pretty little wife+kids.
Dr. Ford is jealous, I'm sure.
Everyone on the left is jealous, seething with intent.
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              Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.361ad370523812d6994ce7@news.altopia.com
            Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  porvqu$mhp$120@dont-email.me
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.30--7.48pm.Seattle.2018
        Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  pos7dn$mhp$128@dont-email.me
      Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.361b5f1d70a282a0994cf9@news.altopia.com
    Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  posfmj$mhp$132@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.1--6.06am.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 3  m100 Cool; 5.2 Hours, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Sep 30 { 11:43pm, 2018 }:31  Wწȹɛ
      The Sex, Drugs, and Alcohol Party ?

Nadegda replied:
> perhaps we should give up on the Dems and root for someone else, 
> maybe the SDA ... kensi seems to be leaning that way these days.

The Sex, Drugs, and Alcohol Party ?
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              Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  pora76$mhp$108@dont-email.me
            Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.361ad31f219b32e7994ce6@news.altopia.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.30--1.49pm.Seattle.2018
        Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  pos041$mhp$124@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.30--7.41pm.Seattle.2018
    Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  pos7ko$mhp$130@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.1--5.54am.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 5  m100 Cool; 7.5 Hours, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Sep 30 {  9:26pm, 2018 }: 1  Wწiɹ
      Everything Stacy wants costs Chad money, and lots of it.

Nadegda replied:
> > > > If a woman doesn't have a high net worth, you shouldn't touch her.
> > > 
> > > misogynist kook
> > 
> > Your autism is showing.
> 
> ... says the kook whose model of human social behavior 
> is so simplistic it assumes 100% of all women are golddiggers.

Let's consider "Chad" and "Stacy", the proverbial hot "couple".

All day long, everyday, Stacy tells Chad: "No, you can't fuck me, you idiot". 

All day long, everyday, Chad tells Stacy: "No, I don't love you, you idiot".

Chad loves his dog, takes care of it; Stacy sees that, and wants it.
Everything Stacy wants costs Chad money, and lots of it.
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              Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.361abafac5653183994cdf@news.altopia.com
            Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  porabg$mhp$109@dont-email.me
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.30--2.02pm.Seattle.2018
        Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  porvtd$mhp$121@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.30--7.32pm.Seattle.2018
    Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  pos7io$mhp$129@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.1--5.37am.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 6  m100 Cool; 7.5 Hours, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Sep 30 {  9:24pm, 2018 }:56  Wწiu
      Nadegda got kidnapped, pushed into a room, at a high class party ?

Nadegda replied:
> > I'm 58 years old, I don't wanna fuck.
> 
> You know, these days there *are* medications that can help
> with your age-related difficulties in that area. 

My dick works.  Do you want me to prove it ?
Besides, I could have hardcore, raunchy sex even without it.

> Your bigger challenge will be finding any willing partner 

I'm 58 years old, not 15 -- I don't wanna fuck;
but, if I did, I'd find a high net worth woman.

> > > Hey kooktard,
> > 
> > ...she said looking in the mirror.
> 
> An IKY?   boring 

Your autism is showing.  It's kind of hot, when I think about it.
However, I'm sure you're much too old to be attractive anymore.

> > > incel bullshit
> > 
> > Why did this "incel bullshit" happen to Dr. Ford, and not you ?!
> 
> Who says this sort of rapey bullshit hasn't happened to me?

You got kidnapped, pushed into a room, at a high class party ?
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              Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.361abafac5653183994cdf@news.altopia.com
            Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  porabg$mhp$109@dont-email.me
          Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.361ad370523812d6994ce7@news.altopia.com
        Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  porvqu$mhp$120@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.30--7.48pm.Seattle.2018
    Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  pos7dn$mhp$128@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.1--5.14am.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 7  m100 Cool; 7.6 Hours, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Sep 30 {  9:22pm, 2018 }:15  WწhϽ
      Nadegda is the only one who knows the true story, not the FBI.

Nadegda:
> Guys like Kavanaugh get away with rape *all the time*. 
> Fixing this is why #MeToo exists.

The FBI is investigating him for the seventh time, now.
Yet, somehow, you are the only one who knows the true story, not the FBI.
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              Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  popnag$mhp$104@dont-email.me
            BotBoy  g1b61nFrnmoU1@mid.individual.net
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.30--5.22am.Seattle.2018
        HughHuntzinger  237cb9d4-2e77-4da9-9fe7-5bae42feb07e@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.30--7.34am.Seattle.2018
    HughHuntzinger  e39c5c8c-3cf0-40ae-b2b0-f5183f635807@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.30--8.37pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m16 Top; 4.1 Minutes, GoogleG, 71.251.40.150,  Sep 30 {  8:14pm, 2018 }:51^(PDT)  WწWʫ
      Were Dr. Ford the sweet, innocent, righteous woman you imagine...

> > If I was _ kidnapped, like that, I'd call 911. 
> > I'd shut down the "party" so fast, your head would spin. 
> 
> speaking up would get you in deep trouble with the parents.

Right, she knew she was in the wrong place,
at the wrong time, doing the wrong thing.

And I fail to believe that she was 100% surprised by
the gang that pushed her into the room and locked the door... 
-- as if she had nothing to do with it, nothing at all.

She wasn't _ that innocent, seriously.

> > She's trying to attach herself to a greater man, to sink him 
> > down to her level, at the bottom of the sea. 
> 
> he’s not the superior, especially after his bad behavior last week

Were Kavanaugh the raging, drunk, incel you imagine,
he would've have been locked away, long ago.

Were Dr. Ford the sweet, innocent, righteous woman you imagine,
she would have risen to greater Heights. 
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              mixed_nuts│melopsitticus  por2r5$qti$1@gioia.aioe.org
            Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  9v32rd55c7mgbqhs6pga4rhpueiv25hfho@4ax.com
          Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.361abafac5653183994cdf@news.altopia.com
        Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  porabg$mhp$109@dont-email.me
      Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.361ad370523812d6994ce7@news.altopia.com
    Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  porvqu$mhp$120@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.30--7.48pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 3  m91 Cool; 6.7 Minutes, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Sep 30 {  7:12pm, 2018 }:46  WწMk
      Were Kavanaugh such an incel, he would've have been locked away, long ago.

> > I don't believe for a minute that Kavanaugh ever
> > did what he's accused of.
> 
> Why not? He's the spitting image of the acquaintance-rapist: wealthy, 
> privileged, preppy/yuppy frat boy type, aggressive, never been raised to 
> take "no" for an answer...and a proven accessory to several gang rapes.

Classic strawman argument.
Were Kavanaugh such an incel, he would've have been locked away, long ago.
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              Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  djq1rdt4na60fld5d79059fe0evo3n256v@4ax.com
            Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.361aa8914fc4d76f994cda@news.altopia.com
          Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  pora76$mhp$108@dont-email.me
        Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.361ad31f219b32e7994ce6@news.altopia.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.30--1.49pm.Seattle.2018
    Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  pos041$mhp$124@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.30--7.41pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 6  m91 Cool; 1.8 Minutes, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Sep 30 {  7:17pm, 2018 }:37  WწMჟ
      If a woman doesn't have a high net worth, you shouldn't touch her.

> > If a woman doesn't have a high net worth, you shouldn't touch her;
> > otherwise, she'll suck you dry ( not in a fun way ),
> > and move on to the next.
> 
> Proof, misogynist kook?

High Net Worth Women are a safer bet, that's all.

P.S. your autism is showing, badly.
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              mixed_nuts│melopsitticus  por2r5$qti$1@gioia.aioe.org
            Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  9v32rd55c7mgbqhs6pga4rhpueiv25hfho@4ax.com
          Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.361abafac5653183994cdf@news.altopia.com
        Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  porabg$mhp$109@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.30--2.02pm.Seattle.2018
    Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  porvtd$mhp$121@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.30--7.32pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 7  m91 Cool; 5.3 Minutes, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Sep 30 {  7:14pm, 2018 }: 5  WწMɽ
      Why did this "incel bullshit" happen to Dr. Ford, and not Nadegda ?!

Nadegda replied:
> > Were you ever kidnapped anonymously,
> > randomly pushed into a private bedroom,
> > where two guys were waiting to gang rape you ?!
> > 
> > Later, did you discover that one of those guys had a high net worth ?!
> 
> Hey kooktard, 

....she said, looking in the mirror.

> incel bullshit

Why did this "incel bullshit" happen to Dr. Ford, and not you ?!

FYI, I'm 58 years old, I don't wanna fuck.
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              Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  popnag$mhp$104@dont-email.me
            Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  djq1rdt4na60fld5d79059fe0evo3n256v@4ax.com
          Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.361aa8914fc4d76f994cda@news.altopia.com
        Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  pora76$mhp$108@dont-email.me
      Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.361ad31f219b32e7994ce6@news.altopia.com
    Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  c7d2rd1l9c62dsci23bh8s1b70dc820gov@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.30--2.23pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    +-, 34.3 Minutes, F_Agent, Alt.NET,  Sep 30 {  1:42pm, 2018 }:24^(-4)  WძვO
      Greg, the incel.

You (Greg) replied:
> > If it isn't given freely and willingly, I don't want it.
> 
> You should try force at least once.  It's way more fun.
> And, it's actually what most women crave.

You should live in a remote cabin, far away from everyone;
either that or jail.

You would've been an incel your entire life, instead of just now,
it wasn't for the fact that you once had some money.
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              Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.361aa8914fc4d76f994cda@news.altopia.com
            Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  ue22rdhdcpsa6hggvsgq9a3li947ujgp11@4ax.com
          mixed_nuts│melopsitticus  por2r5$qti$1@gioia.aioe.org
        Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  9v32rd55c7mgbqhs6pga4rhpueiv25hfho@4ax.com
      Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.361abafac5653183994cdf@news.altopia.com
    Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  porabg$mhp$109@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.30--2.02pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 4  m82 Cool; 32.9 Minutes, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Sep 30 {  1: 6pm, 2018 }: 9  Wძя9
      Were you ever kidnapped anonymously ?

Nadegda:
> If a boy tries to force himself on a girl, 
> that's the boy's action and his responsibility.

You were super hot when you were 15 years old, I'm sure.

Were you ever kidnapped anonymously,
randomly pushed into a private bedroom,
where two guys were waiting to gang rape you ?!

Later, did you discover that one of those guys had a high net worth ?!
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.29--8.55pm.Seattle.2018
            Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  popnag$mhp$104@dont-email.me
          Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  djq1rdt4na60fld5d79059fe0evo3n256v@4ax.com
        Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.361aa8914fc4d76f994cda@news.altopia.com
      Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  pora76$mhp$108@dont-email.me
    Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.361ad31f219b32e7994ce6@news.altopia.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.30--1.49pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m77 Dropped; 4.8 Minutes, MicroPlanet, Alt.NET,  Sep 30 {  1:34pm, 2018 }: 8^(-7)  Wძდ϶
      If a woman doesn't have a high net worth, you shouldn't touch her.

> we were just about to do The Deed, when she said she would, but 
> only if I told her I loved her first.
> I told her I wouldn't say that because I didn't.  

If a woman doesn't have a high net worth, you shouldn't touch her;
otherwise, she'll suck you dry ( not in a fun way ), 
and move on to the next.
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              Chris_M_Thomasson│invalid_  popgsb$l6f$1@dont-email.me
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.29--8.55pm.Seattle.2018
          Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  popnag$mhp$104@dont-email.me
        BotBoy  g1b61nFrnmoU1@mid.individual.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.30--5.22am.Seattle.2018
    HughHuntzinger  237cb9d4-2e77-4da9-9fe7-5bae42feb07e@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.30--7.34am.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m14 Top; 1.9 Minutes, GoogleG, 71.251.40.150,  Sep 30 {  7:13am, 2018 }:40^(PDT)  WძДɤ
      I'd shut down the "party" so fast, your head would spin.

> > Dr Ford was just stupid, not immoral ? 
> 
> she was going to the bathroom and didn’t get there
> because she got physically shoved into the bedroom.

"I was pushed from behind into a bedroom", she said.

If I was _ kidnapped, like that, I'd call 911.
I'd shut down the "party" so fast, your head would spin.

> > Would you want her, sitting on the bench ? 
> 
> she has the professional demeanor and objective nature
> that makes her more appropriate for the bench than Brett,

She's trying to attach herself to a greater man, to sink him
down to her level, at the bottom of the sea.
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              Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  popae8$mhp$92@dont-email.me
            %│persent@gmail_com  bkm1d0.j5j.19.3@news.alt.net
          Libtard│libtard@sandernistas_  popdhc$tmr$22@news.mixmin.net
        Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  popfsj$mhp$95@dont-email.me
      Chris_M_Thomasson│invalid_  popgsb$l6f$1@dont-email.me
    Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  popn8k$mhp$103@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.30--6.25am.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m153 Mad; 7.1 Hours, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Sep 29 { 10:34pm, 2018 }:12  WძʯϺ
      Dr Ford was equally "guilty" for going into a drunkard's bedroom.

> > > The only position I'll support Kavanaugh for at this
> > > point is Official Whipping Boy among the inmate population
> > 
> > How many times a day would you like him to get
> > molested by the, as you say: "inmate population"?
> 
> Who said anything about "molested"?

You did, Nadegda.

Dr Ford was equally "guilty" for going into a drunkard's bedroom.
So she should join him, in prison.
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          kensi│kkensington01@gmail_  podjbj$klj$1@gioia.aioe.org
        Avenging_Angel│Not_fucking_  XnsA96C54613A7A1greyghost471bazinga@85.214.115.223
      kensi│kkensington01@gmail_  pooaea$i6c$3@gioia.aioe.org
    Avenging_Angel│Not_fucking_  XnsA96D4CA17C019greyghost471bazinga@85.214.115.223
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.30--6.15am.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 2  m26 Cool; 1.1 Hours, Xnews, Eternal-September.ORG,  Sep 30 {  4:32am, 2018 }:    Wძϛɸ
      You can kill "the rich" but you can't make the poor rich.

> Mao was tring to save China, so he murdered how many millions?

In the 1930s, rural China rose up ( under Mao, with Soviet help ),
to push out Japanese incursions.  Mao became _ thee hero of the day.
He then killed off "the rich", so everyone was starving, freezing -- equally.

Such is the politics of jealousy.
You can kill "the rich" but you can't make the poor rich.
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              Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  poe6ch$mhp$45@dont-email.me
            John_of_Patmos│jpatmos1318  poos4f$tmr$16@news.mixmin.net
          Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  pop8iq$mhp$88@dont-email.me
        ScottDoty  g1au09Fm8o5U4@mid.individual.net
      Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  popgec$mhp$100@dont-email.me
    BotBoy  g1b649FrnmoU2@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.30--5.34am.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m304 Mad; 6.5 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Mac, Individual.NET,  Sep 29 { 10:43pm, 2018 }:36^(-7)  WძΒɠ
      Willful ignorance.

Nadegda, then BotBoy:
> > to judge by the worsening symptoms of climate change.
> > The time for more radical politics is NOW.
> 
> Agreed.

"Willful ignorance" pops into my mind, when I hear you two.

4.5 billion years ago, the surface of earth was molten.
33 million years ago, the poles were tropical, not icy.
Plants _ love warmth and carbon dioxide.

The Unibomber makes mainstream environmentalists look like
Donald Trump on steroids -- and they remind me of Jim Jones
( I'm not drinking their KoolAid ).

Ask them for a working example of "progressive collectivism",
and they don't mention JonesTown, or Venezuela, or North Korea;
no, they say BlueEyed Norway -- very Hitleresque.
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              Libtard│libtard@sandernistas_  popdhc$tmr$22@news.mixmin.net
            Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  popfsj$mhp$95@dont-email.me
          Chris_M_Thomasson│invalid_  popgsb$l6f$1@dont-email.me
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.29--8.55pm.Seattle.2018
      Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  popnag$mhp$104@dont-email.me
    BotBoy  g1b61nFrnmoU1@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.30--5.22am.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 3  m304 Mad; 6.5 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Mac, Individual.NET,  Sep 29 { 10:42pm, 2018 }:15^(-7)  WძΒF
      Dr Ford was just stupid, not immoral ?

> > > Why did Dr Ford go into a private bedroom with a drunk man ?
> > 
> > Irrelevant.  Going into a drunkard's bedroom 
> > does not amount to consent.
> 
> ABSOLUTELY correct !

Dr Ford was just stupid, not immoral ?

Would you want her, sitting on the bench ?
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              Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.3619cba1fabdc4cf994cbb@news.altopia.com
            Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  popae8$mhp$92@dont-email.me
          %│persent@gmail_com  bkm1d0.j5j.19.3@news.alt.net
        Libtard│libtard@sandernistas_  popdhc$tmr$22@news.mixmin.net
      Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  popfsj$mhp$95@dont-email.me
    Chris_M_Thomasson│invalid_  popgsb$l6f$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.29--8.55pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m13 Cool; 6 Secs, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Sep 29 {  8:45pm, 2018 }:14^(-7)  WძʝΤ
      Was she looking for love ?

Chris replied to Nadegda:
> > What the FUCK? The only position I'll support Kavanaugh for at this point
> > is Official Whipping Boy among the inmate population at the North Branch
> > Correctional Institution.
> 
> Pretty harsh !  Wow.   How many times a day would you like
> him to get molested by the, as you say: "inmate population" ?

Why did Dr Ford go into a private bedroom with a drunk man ?
Was she looking for love ?
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              AndrzejMatuch  aVLrD.66787$SG2.13520@fx29.iad
            BotBoy  g19sepFjqpvU3@mid.individual.net
          Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  poohr3$mhp$77@dont-email.me
        BotBoy  g1a2r0Fl5qlU1@mid.individual.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.29--3.25pm.Seattle.2018
    MrAA  3f9db2ad-db28-4d38-b0f2-1768aec332e2@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.29--5.06pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m78 Top; 40 Minutes, GoogleG, 205.153.48.25,  Sep 29 {  3:43pm, 2018 }:57^(PDT)  Wძɫɵ
      Double-A, Nov 2008.

> > 2021 might be like 2008.
> 
> All depends on what happens in the election of 2020.

Bert, Nov 2008, wrote:

  Double-A, No need to be in the COLD

  Have been thinking of you all morning,
  sleeping in the cold, rainy park;
  and I put myself in your shoes.  

  I know Mt Baldy, 50 miles from LA, very well. 
  Homeless people love living along a stream on this famous mountain.
  They make good money panning gold.

13005-49243710-2392@storefull-3333.bay.webtv.net
groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/alt.astronomy/"Double A" +before:2008-12-31|sort:date
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          .  8dArD.109830$SN2.97651@fx38.iad
        .  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.28--6.24pm.Seattle.2018
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.29--6.30am.Seattle.2018
    MrAA  40fe0354-3f7a-4740-a339-da46f8d9e4f2@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.29--4.21pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m79 Top; 51.5 Minutes, GoogleG, 205.153.48.25,  Sep 29 {  2:12pm, 2018 }: 6^(PDT)  Wძɜ6
      Don't believe me ? Ask The Dalai Lama.

MrAA:
> The Chinese are not so homogeneous.

Where is China's Harlem, "Little Dominican Republic", etc. ?
Where are the homeless thieving junkies that _ you and I see ?
NoWhere.

> There are differences in viewpoints, 
> such that many Chinese are now in prison for religious reasons.

Yes, this is a real problem: rural China.

> The Chinese have had to turn to a de facto capitalist society
> because they have failed to make pure communism work.

Communism is "one size fits all"; China is still Communist.
Don't believe me ? Ask The Dalai Lama.
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              kensi│kkensington01@gmail_  pollil$gks$1@gioia.aioe.org
            Chris_M_Thomasson│invalid_  pon2sl$dt1$1@dont-email.me
          AndrzejMatuch  aVLrD.66787$SG2.13520@fx29.iad
        BotBoy  g19sepFjqpvU3@mid.individual.net
      Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  poohr3$mhp$77@dont-email.me
    BotBoy  g1a2r0Fl5qlU1@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.29--3.25pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m297 Mad; 2.4 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Mac, Individual.NET,  Sep 29 {   :41pm, 2018 }:19^(-7)  WძɄэ
      Being _ relatively poor isn't a real problem.

Being _ relatively poor isn't a real problem;
certainly, it's no excuse to rob someone.

Trump's tax breaks are pushing on the accelerator,
increasing the GDP, and lowering the unemployment rate.

But the looming trade war, and the Fed ( interest rates ),
are poised to hit the brakes; 2019 might be like 2006;
2021 might be like 2008.
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              AndrzejMatuch  8dArD.109830$SN2.97651@fx38.iad
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.28--6.24pm.Seattle.2018
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.29--6.30am.Seattle.2018
        Pabst_Blue_Ribbon│pabst@blue_  XWMrD.249843$YL3.244560@fx48.iad
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.29--9.22am.Seattle.2018
    BranimirMaksimovic  5aQrD.367550$Yw.137028@fx31.am4
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.29--3.12pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 3  m84 Top; 2.8 Hours, slrn➤Linux, HighWinds➤Usenet-News.NET,  Sep 29 {   :14pm, 2018 }: 9  WძȾʁ
      "The mean streets of Shanghai" doesn't even sound right.

You (Branimir) replied ( to me ):
> > How many homeless people do you know, personally ?
> 
> None.
> 
> > How many Chinese people do you know ?
> 
> Some.  I worked in China, 1994.
> 
> > How many of them are homeless, thieving junkies ?
> 
> None.

Homeless, thieving junkies are everywhere here, in Seattle.
China doesn't have to deal with that; they're more homogeneous.
"The mean streets of Shanghai" doesn't even sound right.

Rural China is a problem, for the communists.
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.29--3.02pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
      Drinking lemon juice makes me pee half as often.

I hit a mouse button every time I pee, 
to log it ( Jeff-Relf.Me/g600.PNG );
so I know that drinking lemon juice makes me pee half as often;
it coats small kidney stones, so they don't irritate me.
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        .  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.28--6.24pm.Seattle.2018
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.29--6.30am.Seattle.2018
    Pabst_Blue_Ribbon│pabst@blue_  XWMrD.249843$YL3.244560@fx48.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.29--9.22am.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m1 Shifty; 45 Minutes, NewsTap➤iPhone, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Sep 29 {  8:33am, 2018 }:11  WძZΠ
      How many of your friends have died of a heroin overdose ?

You (Pabst) replied ( to me ):
> > Communism is possible in China because it's so damn homogeneous;
> > everyone is the same -- seriously.  
> 
> No they're not. You never been in China 
> and you don't know any Chinese.

How many of your friends have died of a heroin overdose ?
How many homeless people do you know, personally ?
How many Chinese people do you know ?
How many of them are homeless, thieving junkies ?
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      AndrzejMatuch  8dArD.109830$SN2.97651@fx38.iad
    .  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.28--6.24pm.Seattle.2018
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.29--6.30am.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m274 Mad; 7 Minutes, Pan, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Sep 28 {  6: 5pm, 2018 }: 8  Wცϸт
      Communism is possible in China because it's so damn homogeneous.

> Send these, the homeless, the tempest-tost, to me;
> I lift my lamp beside the golden door !

Communism is possible in China because it's so damn homogeneous;
everyone is the same -- seriously.  America is different;
we have to put up with a lot, mucho tolerance. 
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    AndrzejMatuch  8dArD.109830$SN2.97651@fx38.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.28--6.24pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 2  m274 Mad; 7 Minutes, Pan, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Sep 28 {  6: 5pm, 2018 }: 8  Wცϸт
      The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.

> Catholicism is dead to me
> catholic-church-voices-opposition-to-immigration-controls

As for immigrants, homelessness and drunkenness...
What's more Christlike than:

  Give me your tired, your poor,
  your huddled masses, yearning to breathe free,
  the wretched refuse of your teeming shore.

  Send these, the homeless, the tempest-tost, to me;
  I lift my lamp beside the golden door !
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              AndrzejMatuch  9DsrD.75917$ZJ2.63533@fx33.iad
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.28--9.38am.Seattle.2018
          AndrzejMatuch  GjxrD.123217$LK2.46728@fx36.iad
        Brick│brick@mortar_invalid  pom7q7$kth$1@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.28--3.04pm.Seattle.2018
    AndrzejMatuch  kDxrD.123220$LK2.53520@fx36.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.28--3.15pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m273 Mad; 50 Secs, Pan, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Sep 28 {  3: 8pm, 2018 }:16  Wცφʈ
      The list of ancestors 1, 2, 3, or 4.

In "pom7q7$kth$1@dont-email.me", "brick@mortar_invalid" 
replied ( to Andrzej ):
> > > I'm sure your wife would be pleased.
> > > Being you're a proud Catholic and all.  Jackass.  Liar.
> > > Your a fuckin bored Canadian, that's what you are.

If you were using Mozilla Thunderbird, you could just click on
the list of ancestors 1, 2, 3, or 4.
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              Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  f14qqddee34i3ij0octpl2urn38vvp6d51@4ax.com
            Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.36170fe99ac22f5c994c74@news.altopia.com
          AndrzejMatuch  9DsrD.75917$ZJ2.63533@fx33.iad
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.28--9.38am.Seattle.2018
      AndrzejMatuch  GjxrD.123217$LK2.46728@fx36.iad
    Brick│brick@mortar_invalid  pom7q7$kth$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.28--3.04pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m18 Cool; 4.3 Minutes, slrn➤Linux, Eternal-September.ORG,  Sep 28 {  2:52pm, 2018 }: 7  Wცσϵ
      If I were super attractive...

> > I work with some hideous women. I'd turn them down without a thought.
> 
> I'm sure your wife would be pleased.
> Being you're a proud Catholic and all.  Jackass.  Liar.
> Your a fuckin bored Canadian, that's what you are.

If I were super attractive ( I'm not, far from it ),
a hideous woman _ might hit on me.
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              BranimirMaksimovic  w68rD.249202$Wx.30648@fx37.am4
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.27--10.09am.Seattle.2018
          BranimirMaksimovic  oa8rD.249204$Wx.21163@fx37.am4
        Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  f14qqddee34i3ij0octpl2urn38vvp6d51@4ax.com
      Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.36170fe99ac22f5c994c74@news.altopia.com
    AndrzejMatuch  9DsrD.75917$ZJ2.63533@fx33.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.28--9.38am.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 3  m254 Mad; 2.3 Minutes, Pan, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Sep 28 {  9:26am, 2018 }:45  Wცʤʥ
      I'm not half as retarded as you need me to be, Andrzej.

> For Jeff Relf, resident playboy, that's easier said than done. 
> He just can't keep the women away.

I'm not half as retarded as you need me to be, Andrzej. 
Pretty women turn down guys several times a day, everyday.
Who, among us, turns down a woman ?! No one, it never happens.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.27--10.09am.Seattle.2018
            BranimirMaksimovic  oa8rD.249204$Wx.21163@fx37.am4
          Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  f14qqddee34i3ij0octpl2urn38vvp6d51@4ax.com
        Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.36170fe99ac22f5c994c74@news.altopia.com
      Chris_M_Thomasson│invalid_  pokbjt$a4v$1@dont-email.me
    Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.36175597882e2205994c7d@news.altopia.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.28--5.01am.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m158 Dropped; 5.2 Hours, MicroPlanet, Alt.NET,  Sep 27 { 10: 1pm, 2018 }:48^(-7)  Wცoɬ
      Artificial penises and testosterone implants.

> > alter natural sex into a highly artificial thing.
> 
> Maybe one of those high tech robotic women ?  
> At least they can't accuse you of rape 36 years later.

We've strayed far from nature.
I can imagine a future where artificial penises 
and testosterone implants replace girls' uterus+vagina.
Female prisoners could be forced to carry other's fertilized eggs.
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              MrChrisV  uv8kqd1r85r29u7i9tbmujfdg0qfdnqocp@4ax.com
            kensi│kkensington01@gmail_  podjpq$lfl$1@gioia.aioe.org
          MrChrisV  a0nnqd1jvd3l2iaf5o4qe6pr2ggtd7shjd@4ax.com
        kensi│kkensington01@gmail_  poi4vd$bah$2@gioia.aioe.org
      BenJacoby  pojpns$1cfb$1@gioia.aioe.org
    Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  poju18$1hje$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.28--2.52am.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m30 Cool; 8.2 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win7, Aioe.ORG,  Sep 27 {  5:52pm, 2018 }:30^(-5)  Wც8М
      Inflation is immoral.

> the-great-depression-of-1929
> the Fed allowed the total supply of U.S. dollars to fall 30 percent.

Inflation is immoral.

When you think long term, like Warren Buffett,
you realize that 1929 was just a bump in the road.
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              BranimirMaksimovic  w68rD.249202$Wx.30648@fx37.am4
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.27--10.09am.Seattle.2018
          BranimirMaksimovic  oa8rD.249204$Wx.21163@fx37.am4
        Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  f14qqddee34i3ij0octpl2urn38vvp6d51@4ax.com
      Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.36170fe99ac22f5c994c74@news.altopia.com
    %│persent@gmail_com  bkggqq.965.17.4@news.alt.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.27--5.14pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m191 Dropped; 1 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Alt.NET,  Sep 27 {  5: 6pm, 2018 }:17^(-7)  Wც1H
      If you're fucking, you're stupid.

> > Without sex, there would be no children.  
> > I think guys should just refuse to fuck anymore.
> 
> you got that covered

Him and a few million others, anyone with a brain.

The wealth and intelligence of a nation is reflected
in its birth rate -- from Singapore (.83/woman) and Macau, 
at the top, to Niger (6.49/woman) and Angola at the bottom.
  Jeff-Relf.Me/Global.Fertility.Rates.1970.2014.PNG

If you're fucking, you're stupid.
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      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.27--4.04pm.Seattle.2018
    Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  pojopb$1b7o$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.27--5.04pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 4  m28 Cool; 15.1 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win7, Aioe.ORG,  Sep 27 {  4:22pm, 2018 }:56^(-5)  Wჩჯж
      Singapore's GDP per capita, 2018:  98,000 USD PPP ( 62,000 ).

> "The hidden slums in Singapore":
>   youtube.com/watch?v=NBfwNLUDrCY

All workers get GovernmentMandated health benefits.
Singapore's GDP per capita, 2018:  98,000 USD PPP ( 62,000 ).
How does this compare with _ your annual income ?!

> China has a ruling class, The Party, everyone else is dirt.

Where are China's thieving junkies, like I see left and right, 
here in Seattle, stealing my shit ?!

> > In contrast, India and America are more _ diverse, less Hitleresque,
> > with higher highs, and lower lows -- the richest and the poorest, together,
> > more individualist, less collectivist.
> 
> we have more average averages, too

Really ? what is the average ?
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.27--4.04pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
      There's more than one way to run a country.

There's more than one way to run a country.

Singapore, Japan and China are (cheaper/better) because they don't have 
to service a veritable sea of "undesirables" -- they're homogeneous,
more collectivist, less individualist.

In contrast, India and America are more _ diverse, less Hitleresque,
with higher highs, and lower lows -- the richest and the poorest, together,
more individualist, less collectivist.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.27--3.56am.Seattle.2018
            BranimirMaksimovic  OL6rD.272428$cw.831@fx39.am4
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.27--9.38am.Seattle.2018
        BranimirMaksimovic  w68rD.249202$Wx.30648@fx37.am4
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.27--10.09am.Seattle.2018
    BranimirMaksimovic  oa8rD.249204$Wx.21163@fx37.am4
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.27--10.23am.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m78 Top; 8.4 Minutes, slrn➤Linux, HighWinds➤Usenet-News.NET,  Sep 27 { 10:10am, 2018 }:44  WჩбЪ
      More children is always better ?

> > "Children" are everywhere, "adults" are hard to find.
> 
> Without children there would be no adults...

More children is always better ?
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              kensi│kkensington01@gmail_  po34in$2si$1@gioia.aioe.org
            Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.36160253e9b0255b994c69@news.altopia.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.27--3.56am.Seattle.2018
        BranimirMaksimovic  OL6rD.272428$cw.831@fx39.am4
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.27--9.38am.Seattle.2018
    BranimirMaksimovic  w68rD.249202$Wx.30648@fx37.am4
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.27--10.09am.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╳ 1  m77 Top; 24 Secs, slrn➤Linux, HighWinds➤Usenet-News.NET,  Sep 27 { 10: 6am, 2018 }:36  Wჩбa
      "Children" are everywhere, "adults" are hard to find.

> > > She says `you are best daddy in the world` ;)
> >
> > I could have 10 people telling me the same thing;
> > but I avoid it, for obvious reasons.
> 
> You have 10 children?

"Children" are everywhere, "adults" are hard to find.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.21--6.51am.Seattle.2018
            AndrzejMatuch  Yt8pD.108772$LK2.31008@fx36.iad
          kensi│kkensington01@gmail_  po34in$2si$1@gioia.aioe.org
        Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.36160253e9b0255b994c69@news.altopia.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.27--3.56am.Seattle.2018
    BranimirMaksimovic  OL6rD.272428$cw.831@fx39.am4
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.27--9.38am.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 8  m72 Top; 51.4 Minutes, slrn➤Linux, HighWinds➤Usenet-News.NET,  Sep 27 {  8:34am, 2018 }: 6  WჩСϴ
      We need to eat more.

> > I avoid women, children, and thieving junkies; not men per se.
> 
> I have letter from my daughter on working desk ;p
> She says `you are best daddy in the world` ;)

I could have 10 people telling me the same thing;
but I avoid it, for obvious reasons.

> > The wealth and intelligence of a nation is reflected
> > in its birth rate -- from Singapore (.83/woman) and Macau, 
> 
> At birth rate less then 2/woman nation will dissapear eventually
> and be replaced with nation that has more then that.

We need to eat more too, or we'll starve to death.
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              Janithor│Janithor@comcast_net  pogb7g$obf$1@news.albasani.net
            Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  j3mnqddme7dgf507mic932031d64n2qblc@4ax.com
          Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.36158ffb22c85474994c58@news.altopia.com
        Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  m3snqd99oi06u3108n4e2c1v0q1tmv2da6@4ax.com
      Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  pogskh$mhp$56@dont-email.me
    Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  5ttnqdlqhuf9oj3so9tav60en696k38ec0@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.27--5.15am.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 5  m74 Cool; 14 Hours, F_Agent, Alt.NET,  Sep 26 {  2:22pm, 2018 }:36^(-4)  WჩɝТ
      Kensi prefers science, and is biased.

Greg prefers cryptic Bible passages, and is biased.
Kensi prefers science, and is biased.

4.5 billion years ago, the surface of earth was molten.
33 million years ago, the poles were tropical, not icy.
Plants _ love warmth and carbon dioxide.

The Unibomber makes mainstream environmentalists look like
Donald Trump on steroids -- and they remind me of Jim Jones,
and I'm not drinking their KoolAid.

Ask them for a working example of "progressive collectivism",
and they don't mention JonesTown, or Venezuela, or North Korea;
no, they say BlueEyed Norway -- very Hitleresque.
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              AndrzejMatuch  trUqD.82039$OM2.8259@fx37.iad
            Sam_ONella│poison@donteatit_  1a62xtcu28fxg.1fgs4sj8qxig$.dlg@40tude.net
          Owl  9a9ba093.agi3@rooftop.invalid
        MrDFS  g2VqD.144757$lM2.102115@fx39.iad
      Owl  9g0797z9bz.d23@rooftop.invalid
    MrDFS  CQVqD.35979$xo2.28581@fx31.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.27--4.51am.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 5  m179 Top; 10.5 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win8.1, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Sep 26 {  5:53pm, 2018 }:26^(-4)  Wჩʀე
      No automatic updates, Windows 10.

No automatic updates, Windows 10:     "Jeff-Relf.Me/Win10.REG.TXT"

;  Take ownership of "DefaultMediaCost" -Manually-, Merge and ReBoot.
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\NetworkList\DefaultMediaCost]
; 1 - UnMetered;  2 - "metered" ( no automatic updates ).
@=dword:2
"Default"=dword:2
"WiFi"=dword:2
"Ethernet"=dword:2

Run "services.msc" to "Disable" the following services:
  "Windows Update", "Windows Modules Installer", and
  "Background Intelligence transfer" services; then reboot.

AutoRuns.EXE kills "Startup" items.
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              BenJacoby  po1kss$1h98$1@gioia.aioe.org
            kensi│kkensington01@gmail_  po2o95$17uv$2@gioia.aioe.org
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.21--6.51am.Seattle.2018
        AndrzejMatuch  Yt8pD.108772$LK2.31008@fx36.iad
      kensi│kkensington01@gmail_  po34in$2si$1@gioia.aioe.org
    Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.36160253e9b0255b994c69@news.altopia.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.27--3.56am.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m153 Dropped; 5.7 Hours, MicroPlanet, Alt.NET,  Sep 26 {  9:54pm, 2018 }:16^(-7)  WჩʩG
      I avoid women, children, and thieving junkies; not men per se.

> > rape your employees by pressuring them into unwanted sex 
> 
> Doncha just HATE men?

I avoid women, children, and thieving junkies; not men per se.

The wealth and intelligence of a nation is reflected
in its birth rate -- from Singapore (.83/woman) and Macau, 
at the top, to Niger (6.49/woman) and Angola at the bottom.
  Jeff-Relf.Me/Global.Fertility.Rates.1970.2014.PNG
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              AndrzejMatuch  nttqD.127508$oM2.93162@fx07.iad
            Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  sbpkqdtkn8bs69jfqu79buuprnva7bi3p8@4ax.com
          AndrzejMatuch  EYxqD.94086$vJ1.45383@fx05.iad
        BotBoy  g100elFiqn5U1@mid.individual.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.25--5.06pm.Seattle.2018
    mixed_nuts│melopsitticus  poesav$uki$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.26--2.45am.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m60 Dropped; 6.2 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win7, Aioe.ORG,  Sep 25 {  7:53pm, 2018 }:19^(-4)  WშКэ
      Summer of 1979.

> Nixon created the best gas crisis.
> His gas pump lines were the greatest.

Really ?! how can you beat this (TheAtlantic.COM): 

  The long lines returned.  Fistfights broke out as 
  drivers accused each other of cutting.  One Brooklyn 
  man fatally shot another in front of his pregnant wife. 
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              Your_Friendly_Neighbourhood_  JPKdnUpNlIsdrzfGnZ2dnUU7-VXNnZ2d@giganews.com
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.25--7.16am.Seattle.2018
          AndrzejMatuch  nttqD.127508$oM2.93162@fx07.iad
        Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  sbpkqdtkn8bs69jfqu79buuprnva7bi3p8@4ax.com
      AndrzejMatuch  EYxqD.94086$vJ1.45383@fx05.iad
    BotBoy  g100elFiqn5U1@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.25--5.06pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m278 Mad; 26 Secs, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Mac, Individual.NET,  Sep 25 {  4:59pm, 2018 }:17^(-7)  Wშϟы
      The GasPump lines.

> the US economy does better under Democrats than it does under Republicans. 

Right, I remember how glorious the GasPump lines were under President Carter,
and how sad I was when Reagan's "Morning in America" replaced them.

> > I'd go to Poland if I could but my wife isn't Polish... 
> > it seems to be a conservative paradise over there.
> 
> So immigrate.

You're asking him to leave his wife ?
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.24--9.01am.Seattle.2018
            Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  pobgde$mhp$32@dont-email.me
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.24--3.17pm.Seattle.2018
        Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  poc3r5$mhp$38@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.25--2.47am.Seattle.2018
    Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  poe6ch$mhp$45@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.25--1.51pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m44 Dropped; 10.2 Minutes, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Sep 25 {  1:38pm, 2018 }:41  Wშηʡ
      "God" is not, nor ever was, a sky pixie.

You (Nadegda) replied ( to me ):
> > "God" has punished you for this, your sins; I rejoice.
> 
> Oh, really? I haven't noticed any "punishment". 
> Let alone from your non-existent sky pixie.

"God" is not, nor ever was, a sky pixie.
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              Your_Friendly_Neighbourhood_  ktydnfrGK6zzpTfGnZ2dnUU7-UXNnZ2d@giganews.com
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.25--7.24am.Seattle.2018
          Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  4mhkqd1p8a7kuc2qtk68h96i30b7lb7gre@4ax.com
        ChrisAhlstrom  podjfm$8pa$1@dont-email.me
      Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  lrkkqddvgkvf423p97g1t867nr4g3a6b7o@4ax.com
    Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  podkgs$mml$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.25--8.44am.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m12 Cool; 6.5 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win7, Aioe.ORG,  Sep 25 {  8:33am, 2018 }:25^(-5)  Wშʛζ
      Oil is naturally refined fish poop.

> we need another ice age to kill off the dinosours 
> and make them into coal, that is sequestrationing

Coal came from a long period when plants were winning the war ( vs fungi ).
Oil is naturally refined fish poop.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.25--2.47am.Seattle.2018
            Your_Friendly_Neighbourhood_  JPKdnUpNlIsdrzfGnZ2dnUU7-VXNnZ2d@giganews.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.25--7.16am.Seattle.2018
        Your_Friendly_Neighbourhood_  29ydncV7Aey02zfGnZ2dnUU7-U3NnZ2d@giganews.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.25--7.41am.Seattle.2018
    Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  ioikqdhqcfs8raj2bah7p4ku2l6poplqjf@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.25--8.02am.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m48 Cool; 9.2 Minutes, F_Agent, Alt.NET,  Sep 25 {  7:50am, 2018 }:36^(-4)  Wშʔʜ
      Hare Krishna, Hare Rama, Hare Jesus.

> Hindus are delusional freaks whose reality is unreality.

George Harrison’s "My Sweet Lord" by "Family & Friends", Nov 2016:
youtube.com/watch?v=4IrMlYDMDhM

Hare Krishna, Hare Rama, Hare Jesus.

Rama is the seventh avatar of Vishnu, 
one of his most popular incarnations,
along with Krishna, and Gautama Buddha.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.25--2.47am.Seattle.2018
            Your_Friendly_Neighbourhood_  JPKdnUpNlIsdrzfGnZ2dnUU7-VXNnZ2d@giganews.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.25--7.16am.Seattle.2018
        Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  l5hkqdt0j62kb5bgbluiuge1ks0jnt9r3n@4ax.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.25--7.31am.Seattle.2018
    Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  elikqddvtqeimmnbepngur664r0t4im4a4@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.25--7.59am.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m47 Cool; 3 Secs, F_Agent, Alt.NET,  Sep 25 {  7:49am, 2018 }:19^(-4)  Wშʔɍ
      I'm sensitive to light, like my mom; it's a Swiss thing.

You (Greg) replied ( to me ):
> I know you are legally blind or close to it 
> because of some pics I've seen of your computer display.
> You seem to have a problem with light.

I'm sensitive to light, like my mom; it's a Swiss thing.
One of my reports:  Jeff-Relf.Me/SleepPat.PNG
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.24--3.17pm.Seattle.2018
            Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  poc3r5$mhp$38@dont-email.me
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.25--2.47am.Seattle.2018
        Your_Friendly_Neighbourhood_  JPKdnUpNlIsdrzfGnZ2dnUU7-VXNnZ2d@giganews.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.25--7.16am.Seattle.2018
    Your_Friendly_Neighbourhood_  29ydncV7Aey02zfGnZ2dnUU7-U3NnZ2d@giganews.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.25--7.41am.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m27 Dropped; 5.4 Minutes, 2550_25!_LOL!_https:∥www_, Giganews.COM,  Sep 25 {  7:28am, 2018 }:57^(-5)  Wშʐз
      You can be an atheist, yet love Hinduism.

Someone wrote:
> Libertarians don't like the gubbamint telling 'em that 
> a 4 month old infant can't "legally" drive.  

That has _ nothing to do with me.
You can be a Catholic priest and not molest boys.
You can be an atheist, yet love Hinduism, as I do.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.24--3.17pm.Seattle.2018
            Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  poc3r5$mhp$38@dont-email.me
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.25--2.47am.Seattle.2018
        Your_Friendly_Neighbourhood_  JPKdnUpNlIsdrzfGnZ2dnUU7-VXNnZ2d@giganews.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.25--7.16am.Seattle.2018
    Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  l5hkqdt0j62kb5bgbluiuge1ks0jnt9r3n@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.25--7.31am.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m45 Cool; 3.8 Minutes, F_Agent, Alt.NET,  Sep 25 {  7:23am, 2018 }: 2^(-4)  Wშʏм
      Greg can't fathom how sober I am, and have been.

You (Greg) replied ( to me ):
> > I walk everywhere.
> > I'd be happy if most cars were removed from the road.
> 
> Lost you license because of a DUI?

You can't fathom how sober I am, and have been.
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            .  d9ofqdtr3k6rt66tasmo5ljmr3stbonb51@4ax.com
          .  pob2mu$tmr$9@news.mixmin.net
        .  g0tbseF21epU1@mid.individual.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.25--2.20am.Seattle.2018
    Your_Friendly_Neighbourhood_  ktydnfrGK6zzpTfGnZ2dnUU7-UXNnZ2d@giganews.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.25--7.24am.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m26 Dropped; 38.6 Minutes, 2550_25!_LOL!_https:∥www_, Giganews.COM,  Sep 25 {  6:30am, 2018 }:22^(-5)  WშʇM
      No one is drinking Kensi's KoolAid.

> > 4.5 billion years ago, the surface of earth was molten. 
> >  33 million years ago, the poles were tropical, not icy.
> 
> and the air was poison, not oxygen-rich.
> it can't happen heeeeeeeeere...

No one is drinking Kensi's KoolAid.
Plant and animal life was abundant at the poles.
Plants _ love warmth and carbon dioxide, KooKTard.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.24--9.01am.Seattle.2018
            Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  pobgde$mhp$32@dont-email.me
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.24--3.17pm.Seattle.2018
        Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  poc3r5$mhp$38@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.25--2.47am.Seattle.2018
    Your_Friendly_Neighbourhood_  JPKdnUpNlIsdrzfGnZ2dnUU7-VXNnZ2d@giganews.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.25--7.16am.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m26 Dropped; 1.1 Hours, 2550_25!_LOL!_https:∥www_, Giganews.COM,  Sep 25 {  6: 5am, 2018 }: 4^(-5)  Wშʂо
      I walk everywhere.

Speaking of me, someone wrote:
> you probably want to eliminate driver's licensing 
> and vehicle registration too...

I walk everywhere.
I'd be happy if most cars were removed from the road.
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              Odd_Bodkin│bodkinodd@gmail_com  poav0q$8un$1@gioia.aioe.org
            Your_Friendly_Neighbourhood_  17idnVRM5OvnnjTGnZ2dnUU7-QnNnZ2d@giganews.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.24--9.01am.Seattle.2018
        Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  pobgde$mhp$32@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.24--3.17pm.Seattle.2018
    Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  poc3r5$mhp$38@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.25--2.47am.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m43 Dropped; 7 Hours, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Sep 24 {  6:43pm, 2018 }: 1  WშHz
      "God" has punished Nadegda for this.

You (Nadegda) replied ( to me ):
> > I'm progressive, but not in the way you are, Nadegda.
> > 
> > I have to pay income taxes, property taxes, sales taxes (10%), etc.;
> > if you get your way, I'll have to pay even more.  If you don't mind,
> > I'd rather not pay these women to popout irresponsible nut jobs.
> 
> That's not progressive, kook.  That's standard right-wing misogyny 
> and "I've got mine so fuck you" economic right-wingism.

"God" has punished you for this, your sins; I rejoice.

> > I think the government should give junkies free heroin,
> > so they don't have to steal $3,000/month from little people, like me.
> > The city won't put them in jail, as that costs $100,000/year.
> 
> Seriously? Tax-subsidized drug dealing?

Yes, get rid of the black market.
Legalize drugs and prostitution.

> How about free methadone instead?

There's nothing special about methadone, it's just another lethal opioid.
The fact that it's already being done, as I suggested, 
doesn't mean that I was wrong.

> > Public housing doesn't work because, they can't follow the rules.
> > It's harm reduction, the LessBad option.
> 
> ???

Some options are less crappy than others.
As it stands now, the government is putting the burden on little people,
like me ( see the $3,000/month figure above ).
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        Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  d9ofqdtr3k6rt66tasmo5ljmr3stbonb51@4ax.com
      Libtard│libtard@sandernistas_  pob2mu$tmr$9@news.mixmin.net
    ScottDoty  g0tbseF21epU1@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.25--2.20am.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m11 Top; 9.1 Hours, Pan, Individual.NET,  Sep 24 {  4:55pm, 2018 }:58  Wყჵɶ
      I'm not drinking Kensi's KoolAid.

Speaking of SirGregory, Scott Doty wrote:
> Unibomber-lite's new manifesto seemed pretty over-the-top.

The Unibomber makes Kensi look like Donald Trump on steroids.
I can't distinguish Kensi from Jim Jones,
and I'm not drinking her KoolAid.

When I ask her for a working example of her "progressive collectivism",
she doesn't mention JonesTown, or Venezuela, or North Korea;
no, she says BlueEyed Norway.

4.5 billion years ago, the surface of earth was molten.
33 million years ago, the poles were tropical, not icy.
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              Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  gr2gqd5a9uafh222n55pftffs672ofj74r@4ax.com
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.23--7.52pm.Seattle.2018
          Odd_Bodkin│bodkinodd@gmail_com  poav0q$8un$1@gioia.aioe.org
        Your_Friendly_Neighbourhood_  17idnVRM5OvnnjTGnZ2dnUU7-QnNnZ2d@giganews.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.24--9.01am.Seattle.2018
    Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  pobgde$mhp$32@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.24--3.17pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m42 Dropped; 1.6 Hours, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Sep 24 {  1:11pm, 2018 }:26  Wყяე
      The LessBad option.

You (Nadegda) replied ( to me ):
> > I'm an apathetic, AltProgressive individualist.
> 
> Your hostility to mothers on welfare and your general misogyny
> belie your claims to be a "progressive" of any sort, kook.

I'm progressive, but not in the way you are.

I have to pay income taxes, property taxes, sales taxes (10%), etc.;
if you get your way, I'll have to pay even more.  If you don't mind,
I'd rather not pay these women to popout irresponsible nut jobs.

I think the government should give junkies free heroin, 
so they don't have to steal $3,000/month from little people, like me.
The city won't put them in jail, as that costs $100,000/year.

Public housing doesn't work because they can't follow the rules.
It's harm reduction, the LessBad option.
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      Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  d9ofqdtr3k6rt66tasmo5ljmr3stbonb51@4ax.com
    Libtard│libtard@sandernistas_  pob2mu$tmr$9@news.mixmin.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.24--10.02am.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m14 Cool; 15.2 Minutes, Progressivism_1_1_42, Mixmin.NET,  Sep 24 {  9:17am, 2018 }:37  WყШჟ
      Hitting "Post" is the same as flushing the toilet.

Libtard replied ( to Sir_Gregory ):
> Putin isn't paying YOU by any chance, is he?

Hitting "Post" is the same as flushing the toilet;
no one ever sees it.

> Universal healthcare

Spending millions on reckless junkies.

> reasonable home prices

Forcing people to either buy million dollar mansions
or pitch a tent on the street... nothing inbetween.

> tuitions restored

Stanford and Harvard are reserved for those who have 
the most time, money, and health.

> property taxes

HyperRegressive tax where the poorest pay 
you to PopOut irresponsible nut jobs.

> You love an imaginary vision of a white ethnostate,

When I ask you for a working example of your "progressive collectivism",
you don't mention JonesTown, or Venezuela, or North Korea;
no, you say BlueEyed Norway.

4.5 billion years ago, the surface of earth was molten.
33 million years ago, the poles were tropical, not icy.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.22--11.02pm.Seattle.2018
            Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  po90jp$mhp$15@dont-email.me
          Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  gr2gqd5a9uafh222n55pftffs672ofj74r@4ax.com
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.23--7.52pm.Seattle.2018
      Odd_Bodkin│bodkinodd@gmail_com  poav0q$8un$1@gioia.aioe.org
    Your_Friendly_Neighbourhood_  17idnVRM5OvnnjTGnZ2dnUU7-QnNnZ2d@giganews.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.24--9.01am.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m24 Dropped; 20.5 Minutes, 2550_25!_LOL!_https:∥www_, Giganews.COM,  Sep 24 {  8:32am, 2018 }:10^(-5)  WყСʂ
      I'm an apathetic, AltProgressive individualist.

> > > Compared to time/health, money is a ridiculous game. 
> >
> > People can survive without money, but only in limited fashion, with a
> > vastly constrained set of goods and services required or available. 
> 
> Relf is a Libertarian, or something.

Should you ever have to choose between money and "time/health",
the choice is obvious.   Having both is good too, of course.

I'm an apathetic, AltProgressive individualist.
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              Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  crafqd1lv55agoir7s08tnccnhudc4svu8@4ax.com
            Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  po90h8$mhp$14@dont-email.me
          Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  da2gqddr04c3nkkvnqmi3b0lubof4cq62a@4ax.com
        Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  po94ht$mhp$25@dont-email.me
      snipeco_2@gmail_com(Sn!pe  1nvltoh.4yofrfgw85p3N%snipeco.2@gmail.com
    Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  po9nkr$4bb$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.23--11.23pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    +-, 1.8 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win7, Aioe.ORG,  Sep 23 {  9: 2pm, 2018 }:15^(-5)  Wყʠʇ
      Why work ? why sell it ?

Sergio replied ( to Nadegda ):
> > > The things that were yelled at me [ in America ]
> > > by random men on the street, when I was 15, are shocking. 
> 
> Why didn't your wear a hijab and hide them kahunas ?

Because she could make a few bucks that way, I assume.

> Soviet Union was, and is, Vodka first... for breakfast,

Vodka is more fun than work, and cheaper than sex.

> No, it's Canada for you, where pot is legal,
> and cities are reckless, like San Francisco.

Why work ? why sell it ? 
Compared to time/health, money is a ridiculous game. 
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              Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  h2afqdhog6bm799t1422edo3b33ki373t9@4ax.com
            kensi│kkensington01@gmail_  po89kv$1pii$16@gioia.aioe.org
          Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  crafqd1lv55agoir7s08tnccnhudc4svu8@4ax.com
        Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  po90h8$mhp$14@dont-email.me
      Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  da2gqddr04c3nkkvnqmi3b0lubof4cq62a@4ax.com
    Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  po94ht$mhp$25@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.23--8.45pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    -Dropped, 4.5 Hours, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Sep 23 {  3:36pm, 2018 }:45  Wყɪj
      Angela Merkel could bathe in shit, men would still want it.

Nadegda:
> The things that were yelled at me by passing random men
> on the street [ in America ], when I was 15, are shocking.

Please, don't pretend you weren't flattered.
Young, innocent, Nordic, 15 year old girls,
are aggressively hit on in Russia and France.  

Every woman can have sex whenever she desires;
Angela Merkel could bathe in shit, men would still want it.

Today, men don't act on it ( sexual desires ),
because they see how women drag them down.

The only thing my ex ever wanted from me was money.
Compared to time/health, money is a ridiculous game. 
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              Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  po63un$mhp$3@dont-email.me
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.22--0.28pm.Seattle.2018
          Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  po7815$mhp$10@dont-email.me
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.22--11.02pm.Seattle.2018
      Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  po90jp$mhp$15@dont-email.me
    Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  gr2gqd5a9uafh222n55pftffs672ofj74r@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.23--7.52pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m44 Cool; 4.5 Hours, F_Agent, Alt.NET,  Sep 23 {  2:55pm, 2018 }:45^(-4)  Wყɣɩ
      What's your (taxed) job, hypocrite ?

You ( Gregory Hall ) replied:
> > > I receive 192$ per month's in "food stamps";
> >
> > hypocritical kook.
> 
> Shame on Relf.  Fucking lazy bum freeloader.

What's your (taxed) job, hypocrite ?

Compared to time/health, money is a ridiculous game. 
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            kensi│kkensington01@gmail_  po0774$167f$1@gioia.aioe.org
          Avenging_Angel│Not_fucking_  XnsA9665AA4F841Fgreyghost471bazinga@85.214.115.223
        kensi│kkensington01@gmail_  po88ag$1pii$5@gioia.aioe.org
      Avenging_Angel│Not_fucking_  XnsA9668E7B237D4greyghost471bazinga@85.214.115.223
    invalid@invalid_invalid(Ï  1nvlh5h.znkphf16uisewN%invalid@invalid.invalid
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.23--11.43am.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Talk.Politics.Guns, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m9 Cool; 21.8 Minutes, MacSOUP➤Mac, Eternal-September.ORG,  Sep 23 { 11:11am, 2018 }:55^(1)  Wყzჱ
      All you need is hate... hate, hate, hate.

> > I'm sure it makes you feel important to threaten wih the feds, but the
> > way things are going I'm gonna outlive and die quietly in my sleep as 
> > opposed to how you vile, disgusting, insane, violent lefties are gonna go.
> > Screaming for mercy from a God you don't beleive in.
> 
> Wow...

♪ ♫ All you need is hate... hate, hate, hate. ♫ ♪
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                JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.21--9.31pm.Seattle.2018
              Libtard│libtard@sandernistas_  po5s5n$tmr$3@news.mixmin.net
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.22--11.33am.Seattle.2018
          Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  po63un$mhp$3@dont-email.me
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.22--0.28pm.Seattle.2018
      Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  po7815$mhp$10@dont-email.me
    .  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.22--11.02pm.Seattle.2018
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.23--0.20am.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m37 Dropped; 6.9 Minutes, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Sep 22 { 10:23pm, 2018 }:50  Wღгწ
      2006-2008 were tough years for me.

2006-2008 were tough years for me, 
but nothing in the grand scheme of things.

I think 2019-2021 will be like 2006-2008.

An inverted the yield curve indicates that the Fed is tightening,
which is the opposite of what Trump is doing, with his tax breaks.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.21--9.31pm.Seattle.2018
            Libtard│libtard@sandernistas_  po5s5n$tmr$3@news.mixmin.net
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.22--11.33am.Seattle.2018
        Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  po63un$mhp$3@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.22--0.28pm.Seattle.2018
    Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  po7815$mhp$10@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.22--11.02pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m37 Dropped; 6.9 Minutes, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Sep 22 { 10:23pm, 2018 }:50  Wღгწ
      The Fed is about to invert the yield curve.

Nadegda:
> Apply for social assistance! 
> If you're only getting $6000 a year you've 
> got to be eligible for at *least* food stamps.

I receive 192$ per month in "food stamps";
I don't qualify for any "welfare check".

Just now, I paid 15.50$ ( half off ) for an 11.5 pound ham;
1.35$/lb; it should last a long time.   Beef is too expensive.

The Fed is about to invert the yield curve,
which might lead to a recession, 2+ years from now.

The 2008 recession barely showed up on Warren buffett's radar;
to him, it was a minor bump in the road, hardly worth mentioning.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.21--7.07am.Seattle.2018
            Libtard│libtard@sandernistas_  po4dva$bcv$4@news.mixmin.net
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.21--9.31pm.Seattle.2018
        Libtard│libtard@sandernistas_  po5s5n$tmr$3@news.mixmin.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.22--11.33am.Seattle.2018
    Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  po63un$mhp$3@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.22--0.28pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m36 Dropped; 10.2 Minutes, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Sep 22 {   : 8pm, 2018 }: 7  WღΠɿ
      Libtard's thievery.

> > A mother, on welfare, with 6 kids, is wealthier than me;
> 
> In what way?

She gets free housing and her "welfare" check 
is greater than my earned income.

I paid 411$ for the 6,000$ I made in 2017.

All of it was "Self Employment" ( Social Security, Medicare ) taxes;
I would've owed twice as much ( 14% instead of 7% ),
if it wasn't for the Earned Income Credit.

> > yet I have to pay for her, thanks to you.
> 
> How is Libtard responsible for your imaginary plight?

Libtards dream of robbing "the rich" but end up robbing me.
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              .  po29tv$b89$37@dont-email.me
            .  po2oj3$17uv$4@gioia.aioe.org
          .  po4l7f$79j$25@dont-email.me
        .  po5b92$1c5s$1@gioia.aioe.org
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.22--5.51am.Seattle.2018
    Libtard│libtard@sandernistas_  po5sal$tmr$4@news.mixmin.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.22--11.43am.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m9 Cool; 1.4 Hours, Progressivism_1_1_42, Mixmin.NET,  Sep 22 {  9:57am, 2018 }:57  Wღʩϝ
      Looking in the mirror.

Libtard replied:
> > Like a used car salesman, Libtard shuns science;
> > he won't speak of the good side of global warming.
> 
> Like what, billions of brown people dead? 
> Thanks for confirming you're a neo-Nazi, goof.

....he said, looking in the mirror.

Left Wing, Nazi collectivism 
was possible because "undesirables" were removed.

When I ask you for a working example of your "progressive collectivism",
you don't mention JonesTown, or Venezuela, or North Korea,
....no, you say White BlueEyed Norway.

4.5 billion years ago, the surface of earth was molten.
33 million years ago, the poles were tropical, not icy.
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              .  po29tv$b89$37@dont-email.me
            .  po2oj3$17uv$4@gioia.aioe.org
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.21--7.07am.Seattle.2018
        Libtard│libtard@sandernistas_  po4dva$bcv$4@news.mixmin.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.21--9.31pm.Seattle.2018
    Libtard│libtard@sandernistas_  po5s5n$tmr$3@news.mixmin.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.22--11.33am.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 3  m9 Cool; 1.4 Hours, Progressivism_1_1_42, Mixmin.NET,  Sep 22 {  9:55am, 2018 }:19  Wღʩɍ
      Libtard's thievery.

Libtard replied:
> > You dream of robbing "the rich" but end up robbing me;
> 
> No, son, 

If I was your son, I'd kill myself.
The only thing bigger than your pride is your thievery.

> Trump and the Koch brothers and the Bilderberg Group 
> and the Davos trillionaires are doing that.

Nope, not at all, bless their hearts.
The tax man dreams of ways of taking my money, 
and he's really good at it.  You're the taxman.

> > my taxes goes to people far, far, far wealthier than me.
> 
> If you know this, son, then why are you fighting on 
> their side instead of on ours?

A mother, on welfare, with 6 kids, is wealthier than me;
yet I have to pay for her, thanks to you.
You dream of ways to rob "the rich" but end up robbing _ me.
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            kensi│kkensington01@gmail_  po0774$167f$1@gioia.aioe.org
          Scout│me4guns@removethis_this2_  po29tv$b89$37@dont-email.me
        kensi│kkensington01@gmail_  po2oj3$17uv$4@gioia.aioe.org
      Scout│me4guns@removethis_this2_  po4l7f$79j$25@dont-email.me
    kensi│kkensington01@gmail_  po5b92$1c5s$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.22--5.51am.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m133 Cool; 19.3 Minutes, NewsTap➤iPad, Aioe.ORG,  Sep 22 {  5: 7am, 2018 }: 2^(-4)  Wღɹȴ
      Kensi shuns science.

If lefties wanna change things, then Trump is a lefty.

Almost 64,000 Americans died of drug overdoses in 2016,
a 54 percent increase since 2012.
Cigarettes kill old people, a big deal, not -- heroin kills kids.

Instead of locking thieving junkies away, 
today's government helps them repeat the crimes;
so the victims bear the cost, instead of the government.

Fascism ( fasc(io), bundle ) is collectivism,
meant to suppress the individual, in the face of "a dying world".

Kensi is a racist, genderist, fascist conservative.
"Males must pay for their ill-gotten gains", she thinks.

Like a used car salesman, she shuns science;
she won't speak of the good side of global warming.

4.5 billion years ago, the surface of earth was molten.
33 million years ago, the poles were tropical, not icy.
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              Scout│me4guns@removethis_this2_  po29to$b89$12@dont-email.me
            kensi│kkensington01@gmail_  po2pq0$1at4$5@gioia.aioe.org
          JimPennino  tbpf7f-vvi.ln1@mail.specsol.com
        Just_Wondering│JW@me_com  WqbpD.21735$oH2.7140@fx10.iad
      Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  po47i5$d3v$9@dont-email.me
    JimPennino  3amg7f-bkm.ln1@mail.specsol.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.22--2.14am.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 4  m58 Top; 4.4 Hours, tin➤Sun, Eternal-September.ORG,  Sep 21 {  7:34pm, 2018 }:11^(0)  WღPϹ
      Fusion, solar, and the graviton.

For many decades now, fusion, solar, and the graviton,
have been "right around the corner". 
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              AndrzejMatuch  Yt8pD.108772$LK2.31008@fx36.iad
            BenJacoby  po3mvk$12dl$1@gioia.aioe.org
          AndrzejMatuch  vedpD.34521$292.21979@fx21.iad
        BotBoy  g0lchvFd8kbU1@mid.individual.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.21--8.57pm.Seattle.2018
    BotBoy  g0lvpgFgqjoU1@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.22--2.06am.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 7  m76 Cool; 2.2 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Mac, Individual.NET,  Sep 21 {  9:46pm, 2018 }:39^(-7)  WღlХ
      Cigarettes kill old people, heroin kills the young.

BotBoy replied:
> > The crimes and the criminals are fairly well known -- that's not the issue;
> > instead of locking them away, the city helps them repeat the crimes.
> > Basically, the victims bear the cost, instead of the city.
> 
> Can you point to the study that says crime goes up? 
> Most say no difference or show it going down.

Almost 64,000 Americans died of drug overdoses in 2016,
a shocking 54 percent increase since 2012.

Cigarettes kill old people, heroin kills the young.
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              AndrzejMatuch  Yt8pD.108772$LK2.31008@fx36.iad
            BenJacoby  po3mvk$12dl$1@gioia.aioe.org
          AndrzejMatuch  vedpD.34521$292.21979@fx21.iad
        BotBoy  g0lchvFd8kbU1@mid.individual.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.21--8.57pm.Seattle.2018
    BotBoy  g0lvpgFgqjoU1@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.22--1.46am.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m315 Mad; 2.2 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Mac, Individual.NET,  Sep 21 {  9:46pm, 2018 }:39^(-7)  WღlХ
      "IllGotten" gains.

> > It's a "crime" to be male, rich, and/or white
> > -- such people must forfeit their "IllGotten" gains.
> 
> Can you explain what you mean?

You should explain it to me, it's your vision.
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            .  po0774$167f$1@gioia.aioe.org
          .  po29tv$b89$37@dont-email.me
        .  po2oj3$17uv$4@gioia.aioe.org
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.21--7.07am.Seattle.2018
    Libtard│libtard@sandernistas_  po4dva$bcv$4@news.mixmin.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.21--9.31pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m6 Shifty; 37.5 Minutes, Progressivism_1_1_42, Mixmin.NET,  Sep 21 {  8:46pm, 2018 }:50  Wღbа
      You dream of robbing "the rich" but end up robbing me.

> > Kensi's Fear mongering is designed to increase collectivism,
> > to steal from "the rich" ( anyone with a pulse ).
> 
> You have a strange definition of "rich", son.

You dream of robbing "the rich" but end up robbing me;
my taxes goes to people far, far, far wealthier than me.

> > Problem is, every time this has been tried,
> > the leaders fornicated the poor, in their death camps.
> 
> Your weird sexual fixations are yours alone. 
> I think kensi's made it clear she wants no part in them.
> You'd best be moving along sonny.

The only thing greater than your pride is your incompetence.
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      FabianRussell  ef7730db-9a95-44ea-b0c5-f7e4fa71aab1@googlegroups.com
    SteveCarroll  803d1f1d-3396-4f06-95e5-2211740fce5c@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.21--9.22pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╳ 1  m184 Mad; 5.6 Hours, GoogleG,  Sep 21 {  2:43pm, 2018 }:48^(PDT)  Wქჟɬ
      Mariza (below) or Fabian's synthetic voice ?

Mariza (below) or Fabian's synthetic voice ?  You decide.

"Chuva" [Rain] by Mariza, ( Concerto em Lisboa, 2007 ):

  YouTube.COM/watch?v=tC88Oyz8Khs
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              .  po2o95$17uv$2@gioia.aioe.org
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.21--6.51am.Seattle.2018
          AndrzejMatuch  Yt8pD.108772$LK2.31008@fx36.iad
        BenJacoby  po3mvk$12dl$1@gioia.aioe.org
      AndrzejMatuch  vedpD.34521$292.21979@fx21.iad
    BotBoy  g0lchvFd8kbU1@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.21--8.57pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 9  m316 Mad; 4.1 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Mac, Individual.NET,  Sep 21 {  4:18pm, 2018 }:21^(-7)  WქჯL
      The victims bear the cost, instead of the city.

BotBoy replied:
> > If you're an illegal alien in any of those "sanctuary cities,"
> > you can commit any crime you want and you will never get deported.
> 
> the purpose of sanctuary cities is to ENCOURAGE people to report crimes.

The crimes and the criminals are fairly well known -- that's not the issue;
instead of locking them away, the city helps them repeat the crimes.
Basically, the victims bear the cost, instead of the city.

> > If you're white though, especially a male, you're an absolute demon
> > merely for existing as the recent Emmys reminded us.
> 
> Why would you think that?

It's a "crime" to be male, rich, and/or white
-- such people must forfeit their "IllGotten" gains.
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              .  po1kss$1h98$1@gioia.aioe.org
            .  po2o95$17uv$2@gioia.aioe.org
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.21--6.51am.Seattle.2018
        AndrzejMatuch  Yt8pD.108772$LK2.31008@fx36.iad
      BenJacoby  po3mvk$12dl$1@gioia.aioe.org
    BotBoy  g0lcbbFd70jU1@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.21--8.40pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 10  m316 Mad; 4.1 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Mac, Individual.NET,  Sep 21 {  4:14pm, 2018 }:51^(-7)  Wქხʫ
      The victims bear the cost, instead of the city.

> > Pelosi's literal shithole San Francisco is exhibit #1. Drug users, Drug 
> > dealers, Theft, Murder, and city encourages it all including illegal 
> > entry into the country all protected by "progressive" government. 
> > Lefties are insane scum.
> 
> Please quote someone encouraging anything you just said they encourage.

Seattle _ enables thieving junkies;
instead of locking them away, it helps them repeat the crimes.
Basically, the victims bear the cost, instead of the city.
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              .  po171o$vt1$1@gioia.aioe.org
            .  po1ie0$1dip$1@gioia.aioe.org
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.20--7.14pm.Seattle.2018
        kensi│kkensington01@gmail_  po2ofj$17uv$3@gioia.aioe.org
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.21--6.40am.Seattle.2018
    kensi│kkensington01@gmail_  po31k6$1sdf$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.21--9.18am.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m14 Cool; 4.1 Minutes, NewsTap➤iPad, Aioe.ORG,  Sep 21 {  8:10am, 2018 }: 3^(-4)  WქНϱ
      A good answer ?!

> > > Climate change! 
> > 
> > 4.5 billion years ago, the surface of earth was molten.
> > 33 million years ago, the poles were tropical, not icy.
> > 
> > UnLike you, scientists show _ all sides of an argument;
> > -- pro and con, good and bad; usedcar salesman show _ only one side.
> > 
> > Jim Jones's KoolAid promised an end of "the world", people loved it.
> > Like you, he was progressive, Marxist, and collectivist.
> 
> OK, that's enough out of you for the rest of September, k0Oky. 
> Back in the sin bin you go.

You think that's a good answer ?!
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              Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  po15vm$e0i$22@dont-email.me
            jimp@specsol_spam_sux_com  qnkd7f-ava.ln1@mail.specsol.com
          Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  po1a5o$e0i$28@dont-email.me
        jimp@specsol_spam_sux_com  p0pd7f-meb.ln1@mail.specsol.com
      BenJacoby  po1k7d$1g42$1@gioia.aioe.org
    kensi│kkensington01@gmail_  po2pej$1at4$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.21--7.12am.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 6  m116 Cool; 20.2 Minutes, NewsTap➤iPad, Aioe.ORG,  Sep 21 {  5:50am, 2018 }:30^(-4)  Wქ϶ʖ
      Fairies, dancing on the head of a pin.

"kensi" [sic] wrote:
> instantly-rechargeable-battery-could-change-
> the-future-of-electric-and-hybrid-automobiles.html

Fairies, dancing on the head of a pin, can do the same thing, I'm told.
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        kensi│kkensington01@gmail_  po0774$167f$1@gioia.aioe.org
      Scout│me4guns@removethis_this2_  po29tv$b89$37@dont-email.me
    kensi│kkensington01@gmail_  po2oj3$17uv$4@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.21--7.07am.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 9  m116 Cool; 34.9 Minutes, NewsTap➤iPad, Aioe.ORG,  Sep 21 {  5:35am, 2018 }:51^(-4)  Wქϳჭ
      The leaders fornicated the poor, in their death camps.

"kensi" [sic] wrote:
> [ Libertarians want ] unfettered accumulation of wealth 
> and the reduction of most of the population to debt peonage, in service 
> of the rich, thus a return to a world of aristocrats and peasants.

Kensi's Fear mongering is designed to increase collectivism,
to steal from "the rich" ( anyone with a pulse ).

Problem is, every time this has been tried,
the leaders fornicated the poor, in their death camps.
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              kensi│kkensington01@gmail_  po0774$167f$1@gioia.aioe.org
            BenJacoby  po171o$vt1$1@gioia.aioe.org
          Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  po1ie0$1dip$1@gioia.aioe.org
        %│persent@gmail_com  bju82c.edj.17.8@news.alt.net
      BenJacoby  po1kss$1h98$1@gioia.aioe.org
    kensi│kkensington01@gmail_  po2o95$17uv$2@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.21--6.51am.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 10  m116 Cool; 40.2 Minutes, NewsTap➤iPad, Aioe.ORG,  Sep 21 {  5:30am, 2018 }:33^(-4)  WქϳX
      Today, the conservative stance is to let criminals run free.

"kensi" [sic] wrote:
> nobody who voted for Trump could possibly have judged him
> by his character, since he has none.

Today, the conservative stance is to let criminals run free.
This makes Trump a progressive, a disruptor.
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            kensi│kkensington01@gmail_  po0774$167f$1@gioia.aioe.org
          BenJacoby  po171o$vt1$1@gioia.aioe.org
        Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  po1ie0$1dip$1@gioia.aioe.org
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.20--7.14pm.Seattle.2018
    kensi│kkensington01@gmail_  po2ofj$17uv$3@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.21--6.40am.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 12  m116 Cool; 36.8 Minutes, NewsTap➤iPad, Aioe.ORG,  Sep 21 {  5:33am, 2018 }:59^(-4)  Wქϳϟ
      It's getting harder to steal from "the rich" ( anyone with a pulse ) ?

> > "kensi" [sic]
> 
> ???  The fuck's that supposed to mean, kOoky?

In America, we capitalize proper names.

> > "kensi" [sic] and Nadegda are WideEyed Marxists.
> > To get there, they need us to believe the world is ending soon.
> 
> Climate change! 

4.5 billion years ago, the surface of earth was molten.
33 million years ago, the poles were tropical, not icy.

UnLike you, scientists show _ all sides of an argument;
-- pro and con, good and bad; usedcar salesman show _ only one side.

Jim Jones's KoolAid promised an end of "the world", people loved it.
Like you, he was progressive, Marxist, and collectivist.

> Fascism marching like it's the late 1920s all over again! 

Fascism ( fasc(io), bundle ) is collectivism,
meant to suppress the individual, in the face of "a dying world".

> Economic turmoil! 

It's getting harder to steal from "the rich" ( anyone with a pulse ) ?

> Extinctions! 

Not everything is fit for life.
BlueBlooded horseshoe crabs have been around 450 million years.
33 million years ago, the poles were tropical, not icy.

> Insect die-off! 

Mosquitoes kill more humans than human murderers do.

> It will take a bloody miracle for there not to be some 
> huge disaster in the next 30-odd years!

You don't have any answers, I'm sure.
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          kensi│kkensington01@gmail_  po0774$167f$1@gioia.aioe.org
        BenJacoby  po171o$vt1$1@gioia.aioe.org
      Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  po1ie0$1dip$1@gioia.aioe.org
    Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  po1jn0$1f7s$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.20--7.35pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m206 Mad; 9.3 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win7, Aioe.ORG,  Sep 20 {  7: 6pm, 2018 }:26^(-5)  WქʍQ
      No one wants to pay.

> San Fransisco, Nancy Pelosie' homeland, is
> packed full of homeless drugies on heroin, just like Sweeden.
> 
> "Neighborhood Violence is So Bad, Haight Residents
> Afraid To Go Outside", CBS San Francisco, Feb 2018 
> YouTube.COM/watch?v=APZgOyYMk_E

The police know the offenders, but won't jail them.
No one wants to pay, apparently.
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        kensi│kkensington01@gmail_  po0774$167f$1@gioia.aioe.org
      BenJacoby  po171o$vt1$1@gioia.aioe.org
    Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  po1ie0$1dip$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.20--7.14pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m205 Mad; 35 Secs, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win7, Aioe.ORG,  Sep 20 {  6:44pm, 2018 }:34^(-5)  Wქʉʚ
      Progressive, Marxist, Collectivist, Jim Jones.

"kensi" [sic] and Nadegda are WideEyed Marxists.

To get there, they need us to believe the world is ending soon.

Progressive, Marxist, collectivist, Jim Jones has some KoolAid for them,
provided they surrender all of their worldly goods and
help him and steal from the fat, greedy bastards.
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      mitchrae3323@gmail_com  be206811-b4f4-4bcd-857c-8c8b7434e578@googlegroups.com
    EdProchak  bf33ec00-95a7-483d-b5a2-0a03567bbb6d@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.18--3.15pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics
    ╳ 2  m40 Top; 2.8 Hours, GoogleG, 40.135.194.45,  Sep 18 {   :16pm, 2018 }:31^(PDT)  WუцН
      First they decided what they _ wanted to see, then they saw it.

Ed Prochak:
> what explanation do you present that explains the LIGO observations
> without involving waving ?

First they decided what they _ wanted to see, then they saw it;
plus, the evidence isn't overwhelming.
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              BenJacoby  pnoflf$hca$1@gioia.aioe.org
            Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  pnotaa$eon$24@dont-email.me
          BenJacoby  pnp0k8$1g1u$1@gioia.aioe.org
        AndrzejMatuch  ETWnD.105284$lM2.95156@fx39.iad
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.17--7.53pm.Seattle.2018
    Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  pnq8kn$eon$38@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.18--1.01am.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╳ 1  m90 Dropped; 38 Minutes, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Sep 18 {   :14am, 2018 }:31  WუΡʗ
      Fascism ( fasc(io), bundle ) is collectivism.

> > Left Wing, Nazi collectivism 
> > was possible because "undesirables" were removed.
> > 
> > Kensi and Nadegda are today's left wing, "Nazi" collectivists;
> > ask them for a working example, and they'll say Norway.
> 
> Norway isn't fascist, kooktard.

Fascism ( fasc(io), bundle ) is collectivism, li'l 'tard.
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              SteveCarroll  6e892106-1dbc-43ab-88f5-9a9819fd82d8@googlegroups.com
            MrDFS  QKWnD.52878$ql2.40813@fx06.iad
          SteveCarroll  04d7ec5e-aff2-4cff-9cd1-0d0232c8dbd2@googlegroups.com
        MrDFS  6LYnD.42751$ZJ2.19927@fx33.iad
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.17--7.29pm.Seattle.2018
    MrDFS  o3_nD.128751$tK2.77838@fx42.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.17--9.58pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m187 Top; 20.9 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win8.1, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Sep 17 {  8:12pm, 2018 }:  ^(-4)  Wუʘ0
      20 years hard labor, sans food.

I'd rather live 10 years, eating what I want, in bed,
than do 20 years hard labor, sans food.

> you and other malcontents (including sloppy newsreaders) drop 
> the first reference, causing me and every other newsreader more work.

The "References:" line is what it is, not what you want it to be.
I don't care about the great great great great great great grandpa; sorry.
Often, I only care about the parent, not the GrandParent.

I see the ReBuilt "References:" line; to wit:  Jeff-Relf.Me/Posts.TXT

And I'm _ not afraid to include people from other NewsGroups.

> forging and group flooding.

I know who's who, forgeries don't bother me,
I read the best posts first, and I filter out the spam; see:

  Jeff-Relf.Me/Cola_Regs.HTM
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              MrDFS  uRUnD.17699$oH2.14659@fx10.iad
            SteveCarroll  6e892106-1dbc-43ab-88f5-9a9819fd82d8@googlegroups.com
          MrDFS  QKWnD.52878$ql2.40813@fx06.iad
        SteveCarroll  04d7ec5e-aff2-4cff-9cd1-0d0232c8dbd2@googlegroups.com
      MrDFS  6LYnD.42751$ZJ2.19927@fx33.iad
    MrDFS  z2ZnD.180399$YL3.96748@fx48.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.17--8.23pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 3  m186 Top; 1.1 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win8.1, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Sep 17 {  7: 3pm, 2018 }: 3^(-4)  WუʌΘ
      (Sub)Threads drift, big time.

MrDFS _ fails to realize: (Sub)Threads drift, big time.

The parent, and grandparent, and great great grandparent,
and great great great grandparent _ might be relevant, if you're lucky.

(Sub)Threads are ReConstructed using _ parents (!GrandParents);
the result is _ stored in the "References:" line.
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              BenJacoby  pnm2mn$ml7$1@gioia.aioe.org
            Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  pnnctv$eon$20@dont-email.me
          BenJacoby  pnoflf$hca$1@gioia.aioe.org
        Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  pnotaa$eon$24@dont-email.me
      BenJacoby  pnp0k8$1g1u$1@gioia.aioe.org
    AndrzejMatuch  ETWnD.105284$lM2.95156@fx39.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.17--7.53pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m214 Mad; 2.2 Hours, Pan, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Sep 17 {  4:36pm, 2018 }: 4  Wუɴ4
      Kensi and Nadegda are today's left wing, "Nazi" collectivists.

Left Wing, Nazi collectivism was possible 
because "undesirables" were removed.

Kensi and Nadegda are today's left wing, "Nazi" collectivists;
ask them for a working example, and they'll say Norway.
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              BenJacoby  pnm2mn$ml7$1@gioia.aioe.org
            Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  pnnctv$eon$20@dont-email.me
          BenJacoby  pnoflf$hca$1@gioia.aioe.org
        Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  pnotaa$eon$24@dont-email.me
      Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.36099bef1cd74fbd9949de@news.altopia.com
    AndrzejMatuch  kFWnD.105282$lM2.51001@fx39.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.17--7.37pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 4  m214 Mad; 2.5 Hours, Pan, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Sep 17 {  4:20pm, 2018 }:48  Wუɱʨ
      Trump is guilty of possessing a dick; unforgivable.

> I'm looking forward to the wealth of information the left 
> is using to claim that Trump committed a crime and colluded.

Trump is guilty of possessing a dick; unforgivable. 
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              SteveCarroll  0fa16ec0-49cb-44d1-8ef3-97321c9c756c@googlegroups.com
            MrDFS  uRUnD.17699$oH2.14659@fx10.iad
          SteveCarroll  6e892106-1dbc-43ab-88f5-9a9819fd82d8@googlegroups.com
        MrDFS  QKWnD.52878$ql2.40813@fx06.iad
      SteveCarroll  04d7ec5e-aff2-4cff-9cd1-0d0232c8dbd2@googlegroups.com
    MrDFS  6LYnD.42751$ZJ2.19927@fx33.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.17--7.29pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m183 Top; 5.8 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win8.1, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Sep 17 {  6:43pm, 2018 }: 6^(-4)  Wუʉȸ
      (Sub)Threads are ReConstructed using _ parents (!GrandParents).

MrDFS doesn't know how the "References:" line works.
I explained it to him before, recently, but he's not listening.

  The _ only thing you need in your "References:" and 
  "In-Reply-To:" lines is the post that you are replying to;
  -- Nothing else is trustworthy, much less required.

(Sub)Threads are ReConstructed using _ parents (!GrandParents);
the result is _ stored in the "References:" line.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.15--4.49am.Seattle.2018
            BotBoy  g04lt0Fu558U3@mid.individual.net
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.15--11.17am.Seattle.2018
        BotBoy  g0512hF1rl3U12@mid.individual.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.15--3.34pm.Seattle.2018
    MrAA  dde0b3d7-a4a6-4b90-81b1-1c8c4c9e284f@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.16--4.54pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 3  m87 Top; 1.6 Hours, GoogleG, 205.153.48.25,  Sep 16 {  3: 1pm, 2018 }:35^(PDT)  Wტυɟ
      Their parents are 13, probably.

> >   -- Glorify mothers; make sure they get all the child support they need.
> >      ++ Make sure _ everyone in the community pays for their sweet children.
> >      ++ Pay their _ heavy medical bills, decade after decade.
> 
> Perhaps we should adopt a quaint central-south African tribal custom:
>   After age 5, kids are on their own !

That'd cause a population boom for sure ! 
as those are the very people who breed/die the most.
Their parents are 13, probably.

The lower the birth rate, the better, I say.
To this end, both the left and the right are AntiFamily.
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              BotBoy  fvl607Fo1u5U18@mid.individual.net
            Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  svuapdpp12i3caq4tbsi5qkfuapuek4brl@4ax.com
          BotBoy  fvnud6FbibeU1@mid.individual.net
        aaa│jeo@somewhere_org  pn6kan$3r7$1@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.10--2.22pm.Seattle.2018
    Gronk│invalid@invalid_invalid  pnmf3b$1jt$5@news.mixmin.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.16--4.41pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate, Alt.Religion, Alt.Atheism, Alt.Christianity
    ╳ 1  m1 Shifty; 3 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win7, Mixmin.NET,  Sep 16 {  1:40pm, 2018 }:11^(-6)  WტηϹ
      Eve was the wife, it was incestuous.

> > Genesis' creation story in is about leaving home to start a family.
> 
> To find a wife?

No, Eve was the wife, it was incestuous.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.15--1.34am.Seattle.2018
            kensi│kkensington01@gmail_  pnildn$184s$3@gioia.aioe.org
          BenJacoby  pnj64f$4ol$3@gioia.aioe.org
        Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  pnks2t$eon$9@dont-email.me
      BenJacoby  pnm2mn$ml7$1@gioia.aioe.org
    AndrzejMatuch  hiAnD.105229$lM2.13595@fx39.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.16--4.30pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╳ 2  m202 Mad; 23.3 Minutes, Pan, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Sep 16 {  2:54pm, 2018 }:21  WტτL
      Usenet is Superior.

Ben Jacoby:
> > Alex Jones has been censored because you libs all hate rights and
> > freedom of speech and press.  Refer to ANY former communist state
> > to observe how lefties regard free expression.

YouTube inflicts _ heavy censorship; China blocks YouTube.

YouTube blocked my latest upload, and gave me a strike, for showing pink.

When my YouTube comment isn't ShadowBanned,
I assume it's because no one read it.

As always, Usenet is superior.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.15--11.17am.Seattle.2018
            BotBoy  g0512hF1rl3U12@mid.individual.net
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.15--3.34pm.Seattle.2018
        Ser_Gregor_Clegane│sergregor  tn2rpd1qjue3ofk6grb30jn7fknuk3v999@4ax.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.15--4.15pm.Seattle.2018
    %│%@%  bjgqd5.dv9.19.2@news.alt.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.15--6.22pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m1 Dropped; 1.4 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Alt.NET,  Sep 15 {  4:33pm, 2018 }: 3^(-7)  WსჱΘ
      Thanks for your time, Mr. Trump.

> > When was the last time you had sex ?
> 
> 3 hours ago
> 
> > How much did it cost ?
> 
> about 700 bucks
> 
> > Was it worth it ?
> 
> every penny

Thanks for your time, Mr. Trump.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.15--4.49am.Seattle.2018
            BotBoy  g04lt0Fu558U3@mid.individual.net
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.15--11.17am.Seattle.2018
        BotBoy  g0512hF1rl3U12@mid.individual.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.15--3.34pm.Seattle.2018
    Ser_Gregor_Clegane│sergregor  tn2rpd1qjue3ofk6grb30jn7fknuk3v999@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.15--4.15pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m3 Cool; 1.1 Minutes, F_Agent, Alt.NET,  Sep 15 {  3:46pm, 2018 }:29^(-4)  WსჩЛ
      When was the last time you had sex ?

> Men know [FemiNazis] are whores so they fuck them and run.
> Who says there isn't a God!

When was the last time you had sex ?

How much did it cost ?

Was it worth it ?
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              Libtard│libtard@sandernistas_  pnielo$6oh$6@news.mixmin.net
            .  098767f4-83d0-4bac-8b3c-af36b54b4250@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.15--4.49am.Seattle.2018
        BotBoy  g04lt0Fu558U3@mid.individual.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.15--11.17am.Seattle.2018
    Your_Friendly_Neighbourhood_  NMadnSjud5aBygDGnZ2dnUU7-InNnZ2d@giganews.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.15--4.10pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m33 Dropped; 3.8 Hours, 2550_25!_LOL!_https:∥www_, Giganews.COM,  Sep 15 {   : 1pm, 2018 }:48^(-5)  Wსфɬ
      Now they conceive thieving junkies left and right.

> they used to put boner-boys like you into the mental facilities.

Now they conceive thieving junkies left and right,
willy nilly, and let them loose on the street.
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              Libtard│libtard@sandernistas_  pnielo$6oh$6@news.mixmin.net
            HughHuntzinger  098767f4-83d0-4bac-8b3c-af36b54b4250@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.15--4.49am.Seattle.2018
        BotBoy  g04lt0Fu558U3@mid.individual.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.15--11.17am.Seattle.2018
    BotBoy  g0512hF1rl3U12@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.15--3.34pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 4  m390 Mad; 3.5 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Mac, Individual.NET,  Sep 15 { 11:24am, 2018 }:17^(-7)  WსоH
      As tempting as this sounds, men aren't lured in.

When it comes to adding men to a family,
left wing collectivists have sweetened the pot thusly:

  -- Glorify mothers; make sure they get all the child support they need.
     ++ Make sure _ everyone in the community pays for their sweet children.
     ++ Pay their _ heavy medical bills, decade after decade.

  -- Vilify men; keep them away from our sweet kids and mothers.
     ++ If they don't pay child support, put them in jail until they do.

As tempting as this sounds, men aren't lured in.
 
> > vasectomies are taboo, even in the porn industry.
> 
> Then what are we discussing?

It's just not discussed, most places. 
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.14--11.54pm.Seattle.2018
            BotBoy  g03rsgFp1a1U1@mid.individual.net
          Libtard│libtard@sandernistas_  pnielo$6oh$6@news.mixmin.net
        HughHuntzinger  098767f4-83d0-4bac-8b3c-af36b54b4250@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.15--4.49am.Seattle.2018
    BotBoy  g04lt0Fu558U3@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.15--11.17am.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 4  m391 Mad; 2.4 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Mac, Individual.NET,  Sep 15 {  8:13am, 2018 }:36^(-7)  WსОɠ
      No one can get a boner then, much less raise a family.

> > vasectomies are taboo, even in the porn industry.
> 
> How are they "taboo"?

It's censored, ignored, not discussed.

> > no one wants to have kids with a Hillary supporter;
> > it'd be all child support and no visitation.
> 
> You confuse the left with support for Clinton
> and then go downhill from there.

A FemiNazi will rob you blind and expect you to smile afterwards;
no one can get a boner then, much less raise a family. 

> > The left also hates families;
> 
> Not in the slightest bit true.

I'm discussing reality, not your wet dreams.
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            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.14--11.54pm.Seattle.2018
          BotBoy  g03rsgFp1a1U1@mid.individual.net
        Libtard│libtard@sandernistas_  pnielo$6oh$6@news.mixmin.net
      HughHuntzinger  098767f4-83d0-4bac-8b3c-af36b54b4250@googlegroups.com
    BotBoy  g04lqdFu558U2@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.15--11.02am.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 5  m391 Mad; 2.4 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Mac, Individual.NET,  Sep 15 {  8:12am, 2018 }:13^(-7)  WსОD
      Collectivists shamelessly "rape" individualists.

> Conservatives worship the wealthy and vilify the poor.

Men are individualists, Right Wing, rich in health, if not money.

Women are collectivists, Left Wing, poor in health, if not money.

Collectivists shamelessly "rape" individualists.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.14--11.54pm.Seattle.2018
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          Libtard│libtard@sandernistas_  pnielo$6oh$6@news.mixmin.net
        HughHuntzinger  098767f4-83d0-4bac-8b3c-af36b54b4250@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.15--4.49am.Seattle.2018
    kensi│kkensington01@gmail_  pnirp5$1jhk$2@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.15--4.57am.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m6 Shifty; 4.3 Minutes, NewsTap➤iPad, Aioe.ORG,  Sep 15 {  4:51am, 2018 }:58^(-4)  WსϞϞ
      You're Exhibit A.

> > Women just love, love, LOVE, money for nothing.
> 
> Proof, k00ky?

You're Exhibit A.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.15--0.59am.Seattle.2018
            Libtard│libtard@sandernistas_  pniepn$6oh$7@news.mixmin.net
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.15--1.34am.Seattle.2018
        kensi│kkensington01@gmail_  pnildn$184s$3@gioia.aioe.org
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.15--4.29am.Seattle.2018
    kensi│kkensington01@gmail_  pnirl3$1jhk$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.15--4.55am.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m5 Shifty; 1.6 Minutes, NewsTap➤iPad, Aioe.ORG,  Sep 15 {  4:49am, 2018 }:49^(-4)  WსϞɭ
      Could you possibly be more grotesque ?!

> > You're gonna sue me for not liking my "ass rape" ( figuratively speaking ) ?!
> 
> No, but Libtard might.  He's the one you accused, after all.

Could you possibly be more grotesque ?!
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              Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  o7rnpd9jbqbcvb8dl7vggsntvv4arjur6a@4ax.com
            BotBoy  g03ipkFn90qU3@mid.individual.net
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.14--11.54pm.Seattle.2018
        BotBoy  g03rsgFp1a1U1@mid.individual.net
      Libtard│libtard@sandernistas_  pnielo$6oh$6@news.mixmin.net
    HughHuntzinger  098767f4-83d0-4bac-8b3c-af36b54b4250@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.15--4.49am.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m45 Top; 18.2 Minutes, GoogleG, 71.251.40.150,  Sep 15 {  4:12am, 2018 }:34^(PDT)  WსϘY
      The left also hates families.

Hugh Huntzinger wrote:
> [ right wingers ] are utterly unwilling to tell
> Corporate America to [ offer ] wages which allow
> prosperity in a single income family setting.

True, but the left also hates families;
no one wants to have kids with a Hillary supporter;
it'd be all child support and no visitation.

Women just love, love, LOVE, money for nothing.
 
You need a license to drive a motorcycle,
yet _ anyone can "conceive" nascent junkies;
and vasectomies are taboo, even in the porn industry.

The wealth and intelligence of a nation is reflected
in its birth rate -- from Singapore (.83/woman) and Macau, 
at the top, to Niger (6.49/woman) and Angola at the bottom.
  Jeff-Relf.Me/Global.Fertility.Rates.1970.2014.PNG
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.15--0.29am.Seattle.2018
            Libtard│libtard@sandernistas_  pnid2n$6oh$5@news.mixmin.net
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.15--0.59am.Seattle.2018
        Libtard│libtard@sandernistas_  pniepn$6oh$7@news.mixmin.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.15--1.34am.Seattle.2018
    kensi│kkensington01@gmail_  pnildn$184s$3@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.15--4.29am.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m4 Shifty; 1.2 Hours, NewsTap➤iPad, Aioe.ORG,  Sep 15 {  3: 3am, 2018 }:29^(-4)  Wსυκ
      You're gonna sue me for not liking my "ass rape" ?!

> > > > The government takes your money and your blood, sweat and tears;
> > > > you have no option, you have to just lay there and take it.
> > >
> > > What does that have to do with rape, kook?
> > 
> > ...said every rapist ever.
> 
> Now you've made a very serious accusation against Libtard. 
> Do you have any *evidence* to back it up, k0oky, or should 
> be be breaking out the legal section of his local yellow pages about now?

You're gonna sue me for not liking my "ass rape" ( figuratively speaking ) ?!
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              BotBoy  g027dgFf007U3@mid.individual.net
            Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  onqnpd5m88u0l5c1uokc0lifj4e7js1o65@4ax.com
          MrChrisV  0rrnpd5k9i8kdujiub0hle179ai95h6mpl@4ax.com
        BotBoy  g03iqqFn90qU4@mid.individual.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.15--0.44am.Seattle.2018
    BotBoy  g03s2bFp1a1U4@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.15--1.58am.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╳ 1  m386 Mad; 46.5 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Mac, Individual.NET,  Sep 15 {   :52am, 2018 }:43^(-7)  WსΨЩ
      Don't worry about me.

> > In other words, you're too ashamed to admit that
> > you had too many kids and, now, you need government assistance.
> 
> I do hope you find a better way to deal with your insecurity.

Don't worry about me, you're the one with all the problems.
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              MrChrisV  j94lpdh56hosoa2hvh2ukqfdlucp1iqreg@4ax.com
            MrChrisV  1v7npdprsl2ig18tqoi7sn0j6nfp1e2162@4ax.com
          AndrzejMatuch  u7OmD.12522$um3.1229@fx32.iad
        BotBoy  g03ffgFmkfpU3@mid.individual.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.15--0.11am.Seattle.2018
    BotBoy  g03ru6Fp1a1U2@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.15--1.54am.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 3  m386 Mad; 48.8 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Mac, Individual.NET,  Sep 15 {   :50am, 2018 }:30^(-7)  WსΨʖ
      Hillary is a racist FemiNazi; Trump is a disruptor.

> > Alex Jones is a mental midget, a yappy little dog.
> 
> At best.

But that doesn't mean that the government should censor him,
as China and Russia do.  Let the consumer decide.
 
> > You're biased, like a used car salesman, not a scientist.
> > 4.5 billion years ago, the surface of earth was molten.
> > 33 million years ago, the poles were tropical, not icy.
> 
> I am biased to accept the evidence and to go with the science.

You're a used car salesman, oblivious to science.

  Maximal consumption has been programmed into us ( by nature ).
  Ways to do it:

    1. Live Fast ( consume more now ), Die Fast.
    2. Live Slow, Die Later ( consume longer ).
    3. Sacrifice yourself for the tribe, so they can consume more, longer.

  Either way, the (PreProgrammed) objective is the same: consume.
  We ( you, me, and the stars ) consume what we can, given our options.

> > > I also back equal rights... and denounce special entitlements.
> > > To you that makes me the enemy, given your extreme focus
> > > on special entitlements.
> > 
> > ...said the thieving junkie, as he robbed his neighbors.
> 
> Keep in mind the main differences between 
> liberal and conservative world views:

Hillary is a racist FemiNazi; Trump is a disruptor.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.14--11.44pm.Seattle.2018
            BotBoy  g03oo4FodniU1@mid.individual.net
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.15--0.29am.Seattle.2018
        Libtard│libtard@sandernistas_  pnid2n$6oh$5@news.mixmin.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.15--0.59am.Seattle.2018
    Libtard│libtard@sandernistas_  pniepn$6oh$7@news.mixmin.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.15--1.34am.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m5 Cool; 6.5 Minutes, Progressivism_1_1_42, Mixmin.NET,  Sep 15 {  1:10am, 2018 }:31  WსβН
      Every rapist ever.

> > The government takes your money and your blood, sweat and tears;
> > you have no option, you have to just lay there and take it.
> 
> What does that have to do with rape, kook?

....said every rapist ever.
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              Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  pngq8m$gb2$1@gioia.aioe.org
            Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  o7rnpd9jbqbcvb8dl7vggsntvv4arjur6a@4ax.com
          BotBoy  g03ipkFn90qU3@mid.individual.net
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.14--11.54pm.Seattle.2018
      BotBoy  g03rsgFp1a1U1@mid.individual.net
    Libtard│libtard@sandernistas_  pnielo$6oh$6@news.mixmin.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.15--1.31am.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m5 Cool; 8.6 Minutes, Progressivism_1_1_42, Mixmin.NET,  Sep 15 {  1: 8am, 2018 }:24  Wსβʐ
      Nice spin, doctor.

> we are publicly subsidizing:
> a) greedy landlords and greedy lending institutions and 
> b) greedy miscellaneous corporations that fob off their laborers
> with a wage too low to meet anyone's living expenses.

Landlords don't pay property taxes nor conform to regulations ?!

Tenants aren't thieving junkies, nor health care abusers ?!

Nice spin, doctor.

Public housing only offers _ absurdly huge apartments,
extreme regulation ( being human gets you kicked out ),
at a price _ slightly below what I'm paying now ( in the market ).
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              snipeco_2@gmail_com(Sn!pe  1nv2ty0.1l3ohte4cppq6N%snipeco.2@gmail.com
            Skeeter│skeet@invalid_invalid  MPG.36057158aa8d6e3b989848@reader.albasani.net
          MrChrisV  4thnpd9a68jupqkrtm71gatqlvkgselrg6@4ax.com
        BotBoy  g03gqvFmuudU1@mid.individual.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.15--0.16am.Seattle.2018
    BotBoy  g03s16Fp1a1U3@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.15--1.14am.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m46 Cool; 9.2 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Mac, Individual.NET,  Sep 15 {   :52am, 2018 }: 6^(-7)  WსΨϴ
      Are you a used car salesman or a scientist ?

> > Please list the pros and cons of global warming, Mr. Science.
> > 
> > 4.5 billion years ago, the surface of earth was molten.
> > 33 million years ago, the poles were tropical, not icy.
> 
> Mr. Science?

Are you a used car salesman or a scientist ? 
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            Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  pngq8m$gb2$1@gioia.aioe.org
          Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  o7rnpd9jbqbcvb8dl7vggsntvv4arjur6a@4ax.com
        BotBoy  g03ipkFn90qU3@mid.individual.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.14--11.54pm.Seattle.2018
    BotBoy  g03rsgFp1a1U1@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.15--1.11am.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 3  m46 Cool; 11.8 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Mac, Individual.NET,  Sep 15 {   :49am, 2018 }:35^(-7)  WსΨɟ
      Who's doing it to whom.

> "The rich" [ Anyone with a pulse ] use our money to [consume].

And you'd do the same, if you could.

It's not thievery or rape that you object to,
but rather who's doing it to whom.

Maximal consumption has been programmed into us ( by nature ).
Ways to do it:

  1. Live Fast ( consume more now ), Die Fast.
  2. Live Slow, Die Later ( consume longer ).
  3. Sacrifice yourself for the tribe, so they can consume more, longer.

Either way, the (PreProgrammed) objective is the same: consume.
We ( you, me, and the stars ) consume what we can, given our options.

Please list the pros and cons of global warming, Mr. Science. 

4.5 billion years ago, the surface of earth was molten.
33 million years ago, the poles were tropical, not icy.
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            BotBoy  g03iocFn90qU2@mid.individual.net
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.14--11.44pm.Seattle.2018
        BotBoy  g03oo4FodniU1@mid.individual.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.15--0.29am.Seattle.2018
    Libtard│libtard@sandernistas_  pnid2n$6oh$5@news.mixmin.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.15--0.59am.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m1 Shifty; 8.3 Minutes, Progressivism_1_1_42, Mixmin.NET,  Sep 15 {   :41am, 2018 }:11  WსΦх
      Every rapist ever.

> > > [ You are ] free to approve or disapprove of anything.  Anything at all.
> > 
> > ...said every rapist ever.
> 
> I don't suppose you'd be willing to post proof of that allegation ? 

The government takes your money and your blood, sweat and tears;
you have no option, you have to just lay there and take it.
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            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.13--9.54pm.Seattle.2018
          BotBoy  g027dgFf007U3@mid.individual.net
        Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  onqnpd5m88u0l5c1uokc0lifj4e7js1o65@4ax.com
      MrChrisV  0rrnpd5k9i8kdujiub0hle179ai95h6mpl@4ax.com
    BotBoy  g03iqqFn90qU4@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.15--0.44am.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 4  m43 Cool; 2.3 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Mac, Individual.NET,  Sep 14 { 10:15pm, 2018 }: 6^(-7)  WსʬΛ
      Ashamed.

> > Isn't [Snit] on some sort of government support?
> > If so, then it's got no right to complain, obviously.
> 
> Carroll and Slimer make up all sorts of insane claims about my life
> in an effort to get me to speak more about my life.

In other words, you're too ashamed to admit that 
you had too many kids and, now, you need government assistance.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.13--9.54pm.Seattle.2018
            BotBoy  g027dgFf007U3@mid.individual.net
          Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  pngq8m$gb2$1@gioia.aioe.org
        BotBoy  g03iocFn90qU2@mid.individual.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.14--11.44pm.Seattle.2018
    BotBoy  g03oo4FodniU1@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.15--0.29am.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m382 Mad; 23.2 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Mac, Individual.NET,  Sep 14 { 11:56pm, 2018 }: 3^(-7)  WსΞɻ
      The rapist.

> > > I have no problem with my tax dollars helping [ disabled guys ].
> > 
> > You have _ no choice in the matter -- it's not up to you;
> > you're a cog in the machine, not the mastermind.
> 
> [ You are ] free to approve or disapprove of anything.  Anything at all.

....said the rapist.
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              AndrzejMatuch  uZumD.43554$8r2.10047@fx34.iad
            BenJacoby  pne1lv$1s5b$1@gioia.aioe.org
          snipeco_2@gmail_com(Wader_of_  1nv2ty0.1l3ohte4cppq6N%snipeco.2@gmail.com
        Skeeter│skeet@invalid_invalid  MPG.36057158aa8d6e3b989848@reader.albasani.net
      MrChrisV  4thnpd9a68jupqkrtm71gatqlvkgselrg6@4ax.com
    BotBoy  g03gqvFmuudU1@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.15--0.16am.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m381 Mad; 1.8 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Mac, Individual.NET,  Sep 14 {  9:41pm, 2018 }: 2^(-7)  Wსʦм
      List the pros and cons of global warming.

> > they deny evolution, and think that the Earth is 10,000 years old.
> 
> Sadly, far too much truth to that.

Please list the pros and cons of global warming, Mr. Science. 

4.5 billion years ago, the surface of earth was molten.
33 million years ago, the poles were tropical, not icy.
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            ChrisAhlstrom  pndvjm$itb$2@dont-email.me
          MrChrisV  j94lpdh56hosoa2hvh2ukqfdlucp1iqreg@4ax.com
        MrChrisV  1v7npdprsl2ig18tqoi7sn0j6nfp1e2162@4ax.com
      AndrzejMatuch  u7OmD.12522$um3.1229@fx32.iad
    BotBoy  g03ffgFmkfpU3@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.15--0.11am.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 2  m381 Mad; 2.2 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Mac, Individual.NET,  Sep 14 {  9:17pm, 2018 }:52^(-7)  Wსʢხ
      You're biased, like a used car salesman, not a scientist.

> I will not accept idiots like Alex Jones as a reliable source.

Alex Jones is a mental midget, a yappy little dog.

> I will not reject well established science without a very good reason.

You're biased, like a used car salesman, not a scientist.
4.5 billion years ago, the surface of earth was molten.
33 million years ago, the poles were tropical, not icy.

> I also back equal rights... and denounce special entitlements.
> To you that makes me the enemy, given your extreme focus 
> on special entitlements.

....said the thieving junkie, as he robbed his neighbors. 
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              BotBoy  g00ssmF6g2bU3@mid.individual.net
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.13--9.54pm.Seattle.2018
          BotBoy  g027dgFf007U3@mid.individual.net
        Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  pngq8m$gb2$1@gioia.aioe.org
      Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  o7rnpd9jbqbcvb8dl7vggsntvv4arjur6a@4ax.com
    BotBoy  g03ipkFn90qU3@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.14--11.54pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 8  m381 Mad; 1.2 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Mac, Individual.NET,  Sep 14 { 10:14pm, 2018 }:28^(-7)  Wსʬʔ
      You won't admit that you're stealing.

> > " A liberal is someone who feels he owes a great debt
> >   to his fellow man, which debt he intends to pay off
> >   using somebody else's money. " -- G. Gordon Liddy
> 
> Not in the slightest bit what I believe, 
> nor other liberals I know.

You ( salesman in chief ) won't admit that you're stealing.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.13--2.34pm.Seattle.2018
            BotBoy  g00ssmF6g2bU3@mid.individual.net
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.13--9.54pm.Seattle.2018
        BotBoy  g027dgFf007U3@mid.individual.net
      Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  pngq8m$gb2$1@gioia.aioe.org
    BotBoy  g03iocFn90qU2@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.14--11.44pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 9  m381 Mad; 1.2 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Mac, Individual.NET,  Sep 14 { 10:13pm, 2018 }:48^(-7)  Wსʬɬ
      You're a cog in the machine, not the mastermind.

Snit wrote:
> I have no problem with my tax dollars helping [ disabled guys ].

You have _ no choice in the matter -- it's not up to you;
you're a cog in the machine, not the mastermind. 
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            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.13--2.34pm.Seattle.2018
          BotBoy  g00ssmF6g2bU3@mid.individual.net
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.13--9.54pm.Seattle.2018
      BenJacoby  pngj8e$31m$1@gioia.aioe.org
    Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  pnhuib$1jj$101@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.14--11.33pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m13 Dropped; 2.9 Hours, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Sep 14 {  8:33pm, 2018 }:31  Wსʛμ
      You'd rob "the rich" ( anyone with a pulse ).

You ( Nadegda ) wrote:
> The rich rob the poor of their dignity *and* of their labor, 
> for which they are consistently way undercompensated.

You'd rob "the rich" ( anyone with a pulse ), if you could; 
so you're no better than them.
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              Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  ntcnpddjhdhj5votgpk90ipuu57dk2hkls@4ax.com
            kensi│kkensington01@gmail_  pnge67$1ojh$3@gioia.aioe.org
          Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  b0nnpdhrsp0io1gtonfmk1e67gjn2nqcnf@4ax.com
        Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.36059d36d6236563994955@news.altopia.com
      Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  336opd90q3sdhssifm5v3tgdbfr1n7md8t@4ax.com
    Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.3605bdee64c447ff994966@news.altopia.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.14--3.39pm.Seattle.2018
  Alt.Checkmate, Sci.Physics
    -Dropped, 1.8 Hours, MicroPlanet, Alt.NET,  Sep 14 {  1:46pm, 2018 }:11^(-7)  WსɗϹ
      SirGregory couldn't get laid if...

SirGregory couldn't get laid if he smeared himself with peanut butter
and waited for the local stray to come by.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.13--3.31pm.Seattle.2018
            Your_Friendly_Neighbourhood_  E4GdnYJxhuqNdQfGnZ2dnUU7-TnNnZ2d@giganews.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.13--4.00pm.Seattle.2018
        Your_Friendly_Neighbourhood_  q8Wdneocv4m-RAbGnZ2dnUU7-bHNnZ2d@giganews.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.14--1.00pm.Seattle.2018
    Your_Friendly_Neighbourhood_  6b2dnUSMse1MiwHGnZ2dnUU7-K_NnZ2d@giganews.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.14--3.13pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m20 Dropped; 14.2 Minutes, 2550_25!_LOL!_https:∥www_, Giganews.COM,  Sep 14 {  1:15pm, 2018 }:13^(-5)  WსɒΣ
      The tastiest soup in a putrid swamp.

> can you explain why you believe that M-theory is "random" and "useless"?

"M-theory" isn't a theory, like evolution;
it's just the latest roll of the dice.

> Why-is-M-Theory-the-leading-candidate-for-theory-of-everything ?

Because it's the tastiest soup in a putrid swamp.

2016, NASA's Fermi Gamma-ray Space Telescope found 
the brightest objects known to man: gamma-ray blazars,
Two Trillion times the sun's output.

They're young, of course, just 1.4 billion years old, 
multi-billion-solar-mass black holes, in "Active Galactic Nuclei".

Like The Known Universe itself, blazars had more exergy,
less entropy, when they were younger. 

At the start, there was "no entropy" ("no time, no space"), just "eXergy" 
( a type of energy that can do physical work, force * distance ).

Everything decays, even gravity; hence the arrow of time.
Entropy converts blazars into SpaceTime.  Gravity is residual eXergy.

Eventually, this eXergy will be consumed away, replaced with entropy,
leaving us with a uniform heat bath that has all of the energy
but none of the eXergy.  

Einstein's Cosmological Constant ( 1.11 * 10^−52 / Meters^2 ) tells us 
that outer space is growing EXPONENTIALLY, gravity is dying off;
-- i.e. the "Heat Death" predicted by Lord Kelvin, 1852,
   is the most likley outcome.
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              AndrzejMatuch  WYvmD.106132$HK2.82273@fx08.iad
            BotBoy  fvvva0Fr7hU7@mid.individual.net
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.13--2.34pm.Seattle.2018
        BotBoy  g00ssmF6g2bU3@mid.individual.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.13--9.54pm.Seattle.2018
    BotBoy  g027dgFf007U3@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.14--1.24pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m36 Cool; 2.8 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Mac, Individual.NET,  Sep 14 {  9:54am, 2018 }: 7^(-7)  Wსn7
      Great societies aren't built on robbery/guns.

BotBoy replied ( to me ):
> > You focus on robbing the "rich", but you end up robbing the poor.
> > If you get to force me to pay your (absurd) bills, because I'm "rich",
> > then do I get to force you suck my dick ?
> 
> I want the rich to stop taking from me.

You'd take from them, if you could; so it's fair play.

Great societies aren't built on robbery/guns.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.13--3.09pm.Seattle.2018
            Your_Friendly_Neighbourhood_  Do-dnTVnW8b_fQfGnZ2dnUU7-TXNnZ2d@giganews.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.13--3.31pm.Seattle.2018
        Your_Friendly_Neighbourhood_  E4GdnYJxhuqNdQfGnZ2dnUU7-TnNnZ2d@giganews.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.13--4.00pm.Seattle.2018
    Your_Friendly_Neighbourhood_  q8Wdneocv4m-RAbGnZ2dnUU7-bHNnZ2d@giganews.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.14--1.00pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m33 Dropped; 3.9 Hours, 2550_25!_LOL!_https:∥www_, Giganews.COM,  Sep 14 {  8:52am, 2018 }: 3^(-5)  Wსcϱ
      StrawMan Inc.

StrawMan Inc. replied ( to me ):
> > > if everything is "just a theory"... 
> >
> > Not "everything".
> >
> > "The theory of evolution" is a useful, never falsified fact.
> > "String Theory" is a useless, unfalsifiable, random hypothesis.
> > Do you see the difference ?! 
> > 
> > Like Fusion, "String Theory" is _ always a few years away; 
> > decade after decade, after decade, after decade.
> 
> i'm not the one suggesting that theoretical physics is "useless".

I'd shoot myself, if I were you.
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              AndrzejMatuch  sdtmD.43056$OM2.18869@fx37.iad
            BenJacoby  pndtui$1ki1$1@gioia.aioe.org
          AndrzejMatuch  WYvmD.106132$HK2.82273@fx08.iad
        BotBoy  fvvva0Fr7hU7@mid.individual.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.13--2.34pm.Seattle.2018
    BotBoy  g00ssmF6g2bU3@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.13--9.54pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m369 Mad; 3.5 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Mac, Individual.NET,  Sep 13 {  9:48pm, 2018 }:22^(-7)  WრЮM
      Robbing the poor.

BotBoy replied ( to me ):
> > If you get to force me to pay your (absurd) bills, because I'm "rich",
> > then do I get to force you suck my dick ?
> 
> I just want to stop being forced to cover the costs and risks of the rich.

You focus on robbing the "rich", but you end up robbing the poor.
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              MrChrisV  pq4ipd1sh3l2dmfd6v3hpie59naq7o095g@4ax.com
            RonB│ronb02NOSPAM@gmail_com  pnbn1f$oj9$3@dont-email.me
          HughHuntzinger  6f98688e-5e02-4bf5-be05-770a7a6379f1@googlegroups.com
        BotBoy  fvvt59Fgv8U1@mid.individual.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.13--2.19pm.Seattle.2018
    BotBoy  g00srkF6g2bU2@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.13--9.51pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m368 Mad; 32 Secs, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Mac, Individual.NET,  Sep 13 {  9:47pm, 2018 }:48^(-7)  WრЭც
      If you order it, then _ you pay for it.

BotBoy replied ( to me ):
> > You focus on robbing the "rich", but you end up robbing the poor.
> > 
> > I won't be forced to pay collectivists' absurdly high HealthCare costs
> > ( for women and junkies, mostly );
> > I spent nothing on _ my HealthCare, last 30 years.
> 
> You are letting others cover your health care costs
> (the cost of the risks?)

If I didn't order it, then I won't pay for it.
If you order it, then _ you pay for it.
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              .  pq4ipd1sh3l2dmfd6v3hpie59naq7o095g@4ax.com
            .  pnbn1f$oj9$3@dont-email.me
          .  6f98688e-5e02-4bf5-be05-770a7a6379f1@googlegroups.com
        .  fvvt59Fgv8U1@mid.individual.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.13--2.19pm.Seattle.2018
    HerbertGlazier  0a0bd4e4-1f0c-4371-bf40-9a7aacd1cdfc@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.13--4.48pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 3  m265 Top; 22.4 Minutes, GoogleG, 74.118.32.5,  Sep 13 {  4:22pm, 2018 }:43^(PDT)  WრϙЩ
      You don't have 70$ thousand ?!

Bert wrote:
> For me to hear words, it'd cost $70,000.
> It begs the question "can I use my unlimited credit card?" 

You don't have 70$ thousand ?!
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              .  e1173a12-5827-4843-b388-42cd4f5a37a8@googlegroups.com
            .  0b4d6152-60ef-4cfd-892d-744cea63ddea@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.13--3.09pm.Seattle.2018
        Your_Friendly_Neighbourhood_  Do-dnTVnW8b_fQfGnZ2dnUU7-TXNnZ2d@giganews.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.13--3.31pm.Seattle.2018
    Your_Friendly_Neighbourhood_  E4GdnYJxhuqNdQfGnZ2dnUU7-TnNnZ2d@giganews.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.13--4.00pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m18 Dropped; 5.4 Minutes, 2550_25!_LOL!_https:∥www_, Giganews.COM,  Sep 13 {  3:43pm, 2018 }:28^(-5)  Wრϒɘ
      Too many paint chips.

Some random JerkOff replied ( to me ):
> > > "String Theory" is a useless, unfalsifiable, random hypothesis;
> > > not a "theory", like "the theory of evolution".
> > > 
> > > Further, there are no strings in "String Theory"; 
> > > it's all N-dimensional branes now.
> 
> if everything is "just a theory"... 

Not "everything".
"The theory of evolution" is a useful, never falsified fact.
"String Theory" is a useless, unfalsifiable, random hypothesis.

Do you see the difference ?!
Of course not, you can't; you ate too many paint chips.

> how do you expect we should continue unraveling 
> the mysteries of the universe without theorizing, pumpkinhead?

Like Fusion, "String Theory" is _ always a few years away;
decade after decade, after decade, after decade.

Do you see what I'm getting at ?! 

Of course you don't; you ate too many paint chips.
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          Musatov│tomusatov@gmail_com  e1173a12-5827-4843-b388-42cd4f5a37a8@googlegroups.com
        EdProchak  0b4d6152-60ef-4cfd-892d-744cea63ddea@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.13--3.09pm.Seattle.2018
    Your_Friendly_Neighbourhood_  Do-dnTVnW8b_fQfGnZ2dnUU7-TXNnZ2d@giganews.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.13--3.31pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m31 Dropped; 17.9 Minutes, 2550_25!_LOL!_https:∥www_, Giganews.COM,  Sep 13 {  3:10pm, 2018 }:42^(-5)  WრφШ
      "String Theory" is a useless, unfalsifiable, random hypothesis.

Some random "person" asked me:
> did you eat a lot of paint chips when you were little ?

No, that was you, obviously. 
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      Musatov│tomusatov@gmail_com  e1173a12-5827-4843-b388-42cd4f5a37a8@googlegroups.com
    EdProchak  0b4d6152-60ef-4cfd-892d-744cea63ddea@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.13--3.09pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 3  m46 Top; 4.8 Hours, GoogleG, 40.135.194.45,  Sep 13 {  9:47am, 2018 }:55^(PDT)  Wრʧჱ
      "String Theory" is a useless, unfalsifiable, random hypothesis.

"String Theory" is a useless, unfalsifiable, random hypothesis;
not a "theory", like "the theory of evolution".

Further, there are no strings in "String Theory"; 
it's all N-dimensional branes now.

Like Fusion, it's _ always a few years away;
decade after decade, after decade, after decade.

Pride _ demands ignorance; hence the MultiVerse.

Ignorance can't prove the existence of EuRandomness; 
all of history, every lesson ever, every advance, tells me:
randomness is ignorance, nothing more.

A robot might select an apple over an orange,
but that doesn't mean it has "free will" ("the uncaused cause").

We're consumption machines, exploiting a niche,
(poorly) programmed by nature to take a LessBad "option".
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              AndrzejMatuch  zMcmD.67923$3L2.31722@fx44.iad
            BenJacoby  pnbph0$41a$1@gioia.aioe.org
          AndrzejMatuch  sdtmD.43056$OM2.18869@fx37.iad
        BenJacoby  pndtui$1ki1$1@gioia.aioe.org
      AndrzejMatuch  WYvmD.106132$HK2.82273@fx08.iad
    BotBoy  fvvva0Fr7hU7@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.13--2.34pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m367 Mad; 57.9 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Mac, Individual.NET,  Sep 13 {  1:23pm, 2018 }:28^(-7)  Wრδზ
      Suck my dick.

Thinking of how much he might get, BotBoy wrote:
> The war is between equal rights (on the left) 
> and special entitlements (on the right).

Like a used car salesman, you're biased.

The war is between robbers ( on the left ) 
and the "rich" ( on the right ).

I won't be forced to pay collectivists' absurdly high HealthCare costs
( for women and junkies, mostly );
I spent nothing on _ my HealthCare, last 30 years.

> It is also tied to the right blaming those with the 
> least power for things only those with the most power can do.

If you get to force me to pay your (absurd) bills, because I'm "rich",
then do I get to force you suck my dick ? 
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              AndrzejMatuch  Z5ZlD.6844$MJ2.1734@fx11.iad
            RonB│ronb02NOSPAM@gmail_com  pnb3r0$d0a$2@dont-email.me
          MrChrisV  pq4ipd1sh3l2dmfd6v3hpie59naq7o095g@4ax.com
        RonB│ronb02NOSPAM@gmail_com  pnbn1f$oj9$3@dont-email.me
      HughHuntzinger  6f98688e-5e02-4bf5-be05-770a7a6379f1@googlegroups.com
    BotBoy  fvvt59Fgv8U1@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.13--2.19pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m359 Mad; 13.8 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Mac, Individual.NET,  Sep 13 {   :46pm, 2018 }:47^(-7)  WრΧЭ
      You end up robbing the poor.

BotBoy wrote:
> He values socialism for the wealthy too much.

You focus on robbing the "rich", but you end up robbing the poor.

I won't be forced to pay collectivists' absurdly high HealthCare costs
( for women and junkies, mostly );
I spent nothing on _ my HealthCare, last 30 years.
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              RonB│ronb02NOSPAM@gmail_com  pnb3r0$d0a$2@dont-email.me
            MrChrisV  pq4ipd1sh3l2dmfd6v3hpie59naq7o095g@4ax.com
          RonB│ronb02NOSPAM@gmail_com  pnbmtj$oj9$2@dont-email.me
        ChrisAhlstrom  pnbonc$b1e$2@dont-email.me
      RonB│ronb02NOSPAM@gmail_com  pncakg$641$4@dont-email.me
    BotBoy  fvvl4jFtbl8U5@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.13--2.11pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 4  m359 Mad; 2.5 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Mac, Individual.NET,  Sep 13 { 10:29am, 2018 }:55^(-7)  Wრʮჱ
      You're a used car salesman, not a scientist.

Looking in the mirror, BotBoy wrote:
> you deny evidence. And reason.

Exactly !
When you show only one side, you're biased,
like a used car salesman, not a scientist. 

4.5 billion years ago, the surface of earth was molten.
33 million years ago, the poles were tropical, not icy.

Maximal consumption has been programmed into us ( by nature ).
Ways to do it:

  1. Live Fast ( consume more now ), Die Fast.
  2. Live Slow, Die Later ( consume longer ).
  3. Sacrifice yourself for the tribe, so they can consume more, longer.

Either way, the (PreProgrammed) objective is the same: consume.
We ( you, me, and the stars ) consume what we can, given our options.
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.13--1.55pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
      Collectivists' absurdly high HealthCare costs.

I'm an individualist; I won't be forced to pay collectivists'
absurdly high HealthCare costs ( for women and junkies, mostly );
I spent nothing on _ my HealthCare, last 30 years.
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            Musatov│tomusatov@gmail_com  e1173a12-5827-4843-b388-42cd4f5a37a8@googlegroups.com
          Odd_Bodkin│bodkinodd@gmail_com  pnb373$phc$1@gioia.aioe.org
        JohnSefton  6f9340da-fe5c-4b0d-a2f1-c9263c0b3034@googlegroups.com
      Odd_Bodkin│bodkinodd@gmail_com  pnb8u4$147i$3@gioia.aioe.org
    Musatov│tomusatov@gmail_com  55791c46-efe1-4972-9bdc-4c5ac78a8178@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.12--2.44pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m30 Cool; 4.7 Hours, GoogleG,  Sep 12 {  8: 8am, 2018 }:39^(PDT)  WჟНʟ
      String "Theory" (Hypothesis) is looking for the graviton.

> String Theory assumes and arbitrary number of dimensions.
> Could there be more than 10, 11, and 26 ?

Yes, String "Theory" (Hypothesis) is SemiRandom, with few constraints.

It's looking for the graviton.
Like fusion, it's pursued because it _ might be valuable, one day.
So far, it's neither useful nor falsifiable.

"String Theory vs Brian Greene" by Lawrence Krauss, August 2018:
   youtube.com/watch?v=u8cHmMk9Igc
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              Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  pn94po$8fe$87@dont-email.me
            AndrzejMatuch  QDWlD.15293$XG2.11761@fx16.iad
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.11--3.20pm.Seattle.2018
        BenJacoby  pn9uuo$v3n$1@gioia.aioe.org
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.11--7.58pm.Seattle.2018
    BenJacoby  pnba8r$16f5$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.12--0.14pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 3  m12 Dropped; 3.8 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Aioe.ORG,  Sep 12 {  8:10am, 2018 }:22^(-4)  WჟНД
      She thought she could dump me and keep the money.

Ben Jacoby told me:
> And you were nothing to her, Rolf.

I know for a _ fact that she loved my money.
She thought she could dump me and keep the money.

> I have nothing to do with your life.

You think you're my judge, but you're not;
you're a piece of wet, stinky shit on the sidewalk.

> You manage to be a major loser without any help from me.

As far as I know, you don't have the slightest idea about anything,
much less me, and what game I might be playing.
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.12--2.40am.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
      The seventh avatar of Vishnu.

George Harrison’s "My Sweet Lord" by "Family & Friends", Nov 2016:
youtube.com/watch?v=4IrMlYDMDhM

Hare Krishna, Hare Rama, Hare Jesus.

Rama is the seventh avatar of Vishnu, 
one of his most popular incarnations,
along with Krishna, and Gautama Buddha.
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              .  2cc8040d-2f8d-4311-a35c-35eda44acca0@googlegroups.com
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.11--10.37am.Seattle.2018
          Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  pn94po$8fe$87@dont-email.me
        AndrzejMatuch  QDWlD.15293$XG2.11761@fx16.iad
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.11--3.20pm.Seattle.2018
    BenJacoby  pn9uuo$v3n$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.11--7.58pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╳ 1  m197 Dropped; 2.9 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Aioe.ORG,  Sep 11 {  7:51pm, 2018 }: 6^(-4)  WჟʔΛ
      Ben Jacoby's rules.

Ben Jacoby wrote:
> She dumped you Rolf because anyone can see you are 
> a major loser.  Live with it.

If I were playing by _ your rules, maybe so,
but I'm not -- you're nothing to me.
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              MrChrisV  4edfpdp1s7cnj2c0ebph7ha85rqc8fa427@4ax.com
            HughHuntzinger  2cc8040d-2f8d-4311-a35c-35eda44acca0@googlegroups.com
          MrChrisV  3oufpd16gqv648rj7ta3rr9pppff7vrt1c@4ax.com
        HughHuntzinger  92119a2f-a4c5-4efb-a68b-046a4574bb51@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.11--1.51pm.Seattle.2018
    BenJacoby  pn9ecv$97k$2@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.11--3.25pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m7 Dropped; 50 Secs, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Aioe.ORG,  Sep 11 {  3: 8pm, 2018 }:32^(-4)  Wჟɥʘ
      My mom is a thousand times worse than any woman I've ever met.

> Methinks Rolf was scared by a "feminist" back when he was a hot teen on 
> the make and has been in mom's basement with his computer ever since.

My mom is a thousand times worse than any woman I've ever met;
no way in hell would I live with her.

I manage a 32 unit rooming house and I program for ABA.COM .
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              HughHuntzinger  46e7b8ce-b5d3-4f17-b72b-705953545a1f@googlegroups.com
            MrChrisV  4edfpdp1s7cnj2c0ebph7ha85rqc8fa427@4ax.com
          HughHuntzinger  2cc8040d-2f8d-4311-a35c-35eda44acca0@googlegroups.com
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.11--10.37am.Seattle.2018
      Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  pn94po$8fe$87@dont-email.me
    AndrzejMatuch  QDWlD.15293$XG2.11761@fx16.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.11--3.20pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 5  m213 Mad; 28.3 Minutes, Pan, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Sep 11 {  2:41pm, 2018 }: 4  Wჟɠо
      I wasn't feeding her pride well enough.

Speaking of me, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
> Once the money dried up, the woman left

My ex divorced me to marry her lover, as good Mormons do;
money was never an issue.

She told she was dumping me because I was too atheist for her;
I think she simply wanted more kids, and I didn't.

I wasn't feeding her pride well enough.
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              ChrisAhlstrom  pn6vhn$ukk$3@dont-email.me
            HughHuntzinger  46e7b8ce-b5d3-4f17-b72b-705953545a1f@googlegroups.com
          MrChrisV  4edfpdp1s7cnj2c0ebph7ha85rqc8fa427@4ax.com
        HughHuntzinger  2cc8040d-2f8d-4311-a35c-35eda44acca0@googlegroups.com
      MrChrisV  3oufpd16gqv648rj7ta3rr9pppff7vrt1c@4ax.com
    HughHuntzinger  92119a2f-a4c5-4efb-a68b-046a4574bb51@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.11--1.51pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m42 Top; 1.5 Hours, GoogleG, 143.85.5.18,  Sep 11 { 11:39am, 2018 }:15^(PDT)  WჟȸΥ
      Like thieving junkies, women "need" more than they can afford.

Hugh Huntzinger wrote:
> part of my priories have been to make her happy now with what she enjoys,
> which is travel.  That has meant working a bit longer than I'd 
> originally planned in order to have the resources, but its a 
> fair trade as I enjoy it too, as I get to make waterfall photos
> like this one:
> 
> Huntzinger.COM/photo/2018/Iceland/7Y8A5218-Deittifoss-r1.jpg

For better or worse:

  Women's "need" for EverMoreExpensive things has no limit.

I'm glad it has worked out well for you and yours, Hugh.

> > > you need $2M in the bank.
> > 
> > Yeah, probably, and what percentage of the population will get
> > there?  5%?  10%?  Everyone else gets to live in fear and 
> > uncertainty.  What a country.
> 
> I'd put it at 5%, tops.  

I'm very happy with my life, and my income is _ extremely low.

Like thieving junkies, women "need" more than they can afford;
if they weren't in your life, the "fear and uncertainty" would go away.
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              ChrisAhlstrom  pn6vhn$ukk$3@dont-email.me
            HughHuntzinger  46e7b8ce-b5d3-4f17-b72b-705953545a1f@googlegroups.com
          MrChrisV  4edfpdp1s7cnj2c0ebph7ha85rqc8fa427@4ax.com
        HughHuntzinger  2cc8040d-2f8d-4311-a35c-35eda44acca0@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.11--10.37am.Seattle.2018
    Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  pn94po$8fe$87@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.11--1.11pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m6 Dropped; 13.3 Minutes, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Sep 11 {   :24pm, 2018 }:41  Wჟɀf
      I can't help women and thieving junkies.

> > If you'd like to lose all of your money, and your sanity...
> > just get near a woman ( or a thieving junkie ).
> 
> Who's surprised that the little creep Relf is a misogynist?
> Not me!

OK, let me put it this way:

  I can't help women and thieving junkies;
  their HealthCare costs are too high.

  I spent nothing on HealthCare, last 30 years;
  before then, my (ex)wife spent plenty.
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              ChrisAhlstrom  pn6vhn$ukk$3@dont-email.me
            HughHuntzinger  46e7b8ce-b5d3-4f17-b72b-705953545a1f@googlegroups.com
          MrChrisV  4edfpdp1s7cnj2c0ebph7ha85rqc8fa427@4ax.com
        HughHuntzinger  2cc8040d-2f8d-4311-a35c-35eda44acca0@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.11--10.37am.Seattle.2018
    AndrzejMatuch  4kUlD.98103$HK2.26736@fx08.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.11--0.49pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╳ 1  m208 Mad; 34.5 Minutes, Pan, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Sep 11 {   : 3pm, 2018 }:28  Wჟȼι
      If you need to lose all of your money, and your sanity...

> > If you'd like to lose all of your money, and your sanity...
> > just get near a woman ( or a thieving junkie ).
> 
> Finish your thought.  Generally, if & THEN.

Not always.
Where I live, Seattle, the English (above) is correct.
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          ChrisAhlstrom  pn6vhn$ukk$3@dont-email.me
        HughHuntzinger  46e7b8ce-b5d3-4f17-b72b-705953545a1f@googlegroups.com
      MrChrisV  4edfpdp1s7cnj2c0ebph7ha85rqc8fa427@4ax.com
    HughHuntzinger  2cc8040d-2f8d-4311-a35c-35eda44acca0@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.11--10.37am.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m41 Top; 11.3 Minutes, GoogleG, 143.85.5.18,  Sep 11 {  9:23am, 2018 }:45^(PDT)  Wჟhყ
      If you need to lose all of your money, and your sanity...

If you need to lose all of your money, and your sanity,
just get near a woman ( or a thieving junkie ).

I spent nothing on health care, last 30 years;
before then, my wife spent plenty.
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.10--2.22pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate, Alt.Religion, Alt.Atheism, Alt.Christianity
    ╱ 1  m1 Shifty; 44.2 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤X11, Eternal-September.ORG,  Sep 10 {  1:31pm, 2018 }:17^(-4)  WპζɅ
      Genesis' creation story in is about leaving home to start a family.

Genesis' creation story in is about leaving home to start a family.
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          Archimedes_Plutonium│plutonium_  dbe84d28-c6b9-42cb-9941-b2c9aeee6fe1@googlegroups.com
        Archimedes_Plutonium│plutonium_  8fab778c-294b-4b2b-9d8e-f2bfc6005f64@googlegroups.com
      Archimedes_Plutonium│plutonium_  6432cdc4-6642-4f27-af8e-851edd54e72e@googlegroups.com
    HerbertGlazier  bd1735e2-a177-4472-9980-92acba9a8cb4@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.10--2.10pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 3  m264 Top; 2.9 Hours, GoogleG, 74.118.32.5,  Sep 10 { 10:50am, 2018 }:33^(PDT)  WპΓʙ
      The quickest way to fall asleep.

The quickest way to fall asleep is to
slow your heart rate using "4-7-8 Breathing":

  - Exhale completely through your mouth.
  - Inhale deeply through your nose for a 4 count.
  - Hold your breath for a 7 count. 
  - Slowly exhale through your mouth for an 8 count.
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        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.9--3.06am.Seattle.2018
      Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  pn3tdj$8fe$28@dont-email.me
    kensi│kkensington01@gmail_  pn6aef$1698$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.10--0.29pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m2 Shifty; 40.1 Minutes, NewsTap➤iPad, Aioe.ORG,  Sep 10 { 10:42am, 2018 }:37^(-4)  WპΒb
      Kensi's pride _ demands ignorance.

You (kensi) replied ( to me ):
> > > The earth has warmed and cooled too great extremes over the past
> > > billions of years; long term, it's cooling.
> 
> Relf is 180 degrees out from reality ... *again*.

4.5 billion years ago, the surface of earth was molten.
33 million years ago, the poles were tropical, not icy.
33 million years is hardly anything, in the history of life.

   "That Time It Rained for Two Million Years" by "PBS Eons":
   youtube.com/watch?v=_1LdMWlNYS4

> > > The biggest "loophole" in Bell's Theorem is:
> > >   It's an ensemble of tests, a series, not just one test...
> > >   like a pollster, asking 5 _ liars if they'll vote for Hillary or not.
> 
> there is no "loophole" in Bell's Theorem.

Of course there is; all we have are some odds, 
like the odds of winning a presidential election.

If you think it's 100% reliable, and infallible, and that no one is lying,
then you're more deluded than a 5 year old child, lost in the Amazon.

> It disproves local realism, full-stop. 

It proves ignorance, not reality.
Your pride _ demands ignorance.

  "" The "detection efficiency", or "fair sampling" 
     problem is the most prevalent loophole in optical experiments.  ""
  -- wikipedia.org/wiki/Loopholes_in_Bell_test_experiments

> That means *either* many-worlds *or* [ non-locality ]. 
> In other words, it means many-worlds.

When you're ignorant, anything can happen.
Your pride _ demands ignorance.

Ignorance does not prove the existence of EuRandomness; 
all of history, every lesson ever, every advance, tells me:
randomness is ignorance, nothing more.

> > > Once the cards are all dealt, and the dice stop rolling,
> > > and the bets are paid out, the "probability wave" has collapsed.
> 
> There's no "collapsing probability wave", unless you believe 
> in a non-linear, non-unitary, non-differentiable, non-local, 
> non-CPT-symmetric, acausal, faster-than-light phenomenon that says that 
> parts of the wavefunction mysteriously and spontaneously disappear when 
> decoherence prevents us from seeing them any more.

Yes, my point exactly.
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          jimp@specsol_spam_sux_com  6m2c6f-dv2.ln1@mail.specsol.com
        Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  pmvom3$8fe$4@dont-email.me
      Avenging_Angel│Not_fucking_  XnsA9586F04EB69Dgreyghost471bazinga@85.214.115.223
    kensi│kkensington01@gmail_  pn3jur$4aa$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.9--7.51pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Talk.Politics.Guns, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 5  m97 Cool; 9.5 Hours, NewsTap➤iPad, Aioe.ORG,  Sep  9 { 10: 6am, 2018 }:36^(-4)  Wოбa
      When you show only one side, you're biased.

You (kensi) replied ( to Avenging_Angel ):
> I'm a scientist, and it is my professional opinion that you're wrong.
> About everything.

When you show only one side, you're biased,
like a car salesman, not a scientist. 

The earth has warmed and cooled to great extremes 
over the past _ billions of years; long term, it's cooling.

  "That Time It Rained for Two Million Years" by "PBS Eons":
  youtube.com/watch?v=_1LdMWlNYS4

The current warming is exacerbating our reckless living/breeding.
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      Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  pmvhbr$ujk$8@dont-email.me
    kensi│kkensington01@gmail_  pn0us5$81i$2@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.9--7.44pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Talk.Politics.Guns, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 6  m97 Cool; 1.4 Days, NewsTap➤iPad, Aioe.ORG,  Sep  8 {  9:54am, 2018 }:31^(-4)  WოnV
      Nadegda did a 180.

You (kensi) replied ( to Nadegda ):
> > Anyone else notice that Relf seems to 
> > have something of a hard-on for kensi?
> 
> Nope, I've had that little weasel and his obsession with 
> countries' birthrates killfiled for over a week.

You've _ already seen what I've had to say about it and, now,
you're seeing what Nadegda has to say ( she did a 180° ).
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.9--3.06am.Seattle.2018
            Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  pn3tdj$8fe$28@dont-email.me
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.9--4.12pm.Seattle.2018
        Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  pn4dg5$8fe$35@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.9--6.24pm.Seattle.2018
    Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  pn4i3p$8fe$39@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.9--7.27pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m79 Dropped; 28.6 Minutes, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Sep  9 {  6:41pm, 2018 }:13  WპGч
      All you have is pride, nothing else.

You (Nadegda) replied ( to me ):
> > We ( you and I ) can't think of a warm, crowded place where
> > TrueSocialism has worked for any length of time.
> 
> I already did, kooktard. It was in South America. 
> Suffering from memory problems, kooktard ?

Chile is coldish, next to the Antarctic, and sparsely populated, like Norway.
Further, their "socialism" was a flash in the pan.

How can you purport to solve the world's problems when you don't even know
where Chile and Hong Kong are on the map, much less what they are like ?

> > Nobody is interested in "X.EXE" proper.
> 
> You got that right!

Yes because, unlike you, I don't have a massive, unjustified ego.
 
> Doesn't stop you incessantly trying to promote it, though, does it?

I post code for _ my benefit; no one else cares.
 
> > This is a falsifiable, useful axiom:
> >  
> >   The wealth and intelligence of a nation is reflected in its birth rate
> >   -- from Singapore (.83/woman) and Macau,
> >   at the top, to Niger (6.49/woman) and Angola at the bottom.
> >     Jeff-Relf.Me/Global.Fertility.Rates.1970.2014.PNG
> 
> And your point is ?  Everyone knows women in more affluent regions have 
> easier access to family planning.

Nice 180°; before, you said it was: "not even wrong".

> > > > Venezuela, Cuba, North Korea.
> > > 
> > > None of those have equal rights, kook, because they have an explicit
> > > privileged ruling caste.
> > 
> > No, they have "know it alls", like you, telling them what to do.
> 
> Yes.

All you have is pride, nothing else.
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              AndrzejMatuch  mkXkD.61602$Ac3.7996@fx45.iad
            SteveCarroll  e16e6ef5-ae27-4ee8-acdb-94b7fa241d5e@googlegroups.com
          FabianRussell  pn43r40lua@news3.newsguy.com
        SteveCarroll  0328973f-665c-4308-a47e-053222358bec@googlegroups.com
      FabianRussell  pn45sf01tf6@news2.newsguy.com
    Lenny_Dignman│  fm13fqvautcr.16zk4c9ges6sc$.dlg@40tude.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.9--6.57pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m3 Shifty; 1.2 Hours, 40tude, Individual.NET,  Sep  9 {  4:43pm, 2018 }:28^(-4)  Wოჳɘ
      "Gain" is the _ input volume.

> > Amplifier gain is the ratio of output to input power (or voltage)
> > and that is exactly what "volume" specifies.

In today's digital world, "gain" is the _ input volume,
which affects the way sound gets (digitally) processed, 
_ before it's _ output at whatever volume.
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          FabianRussell  pn3als01idr@news2.newsguy.com
        MrDFS  W0dlD.25717$LK2.18142@fx36.iad
      FabianRussell  pn489a123tp@news1.newsguy.com
    AndrzejMatuch  QmilD.25723$LK2.58@fx36.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.9--6.51pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m215 Mad; 1.1 Hours, Pan, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Sep  9 {  4:52pm, 2018 }:16  WოჴϾ
      Microsoft's DTV-DVD audio/video decoders.

> > But the true GNU/Linux user will always choose mpv 
> > or mplayer as his video player
> 
> VLC is fantastic, Fabian. 

Zoom Player Max is better than VLC.
It has tremendous customizations, including keyboard/mouse/display settings.
It uses Microsoft's DTV-DVD audio/video decoders, which are superior to LAV.
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              SteveCarroll  1fe903a9-621c-461e-887e-c8c8212a5e5a@googlegroups.com
            MrDFS  uOAkD.11319$MJ2.7824@fx12.iad
          SteveCarroll  21535ea9-663f-453f-841c-ad4e93491b29@googlegroups.com
        MrDFS  ieBkD.32104$3L2.15434@fx44.iad
      SteveCarroll  b5b8ffd3-4715-43f6-8dfa-508b55189714@googlegroups.com
    MrDFS  yYilD.8761$LL1.6550@fx23.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.9--6.35pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, News.Software.Readers, Alt.Free.Newsservers
    ╱ 3  m176 Top; 23.8 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win8.1, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Sep  9 {  5:31pm, 2018 }:55^(-4)  Wპ5ɳ
      The "References:" line.

The _ only thing you need in your "References:" and "In-Reply-To:" lines
is the post that you are replying to -- nothing else is required.
Nothing else is trustworthy, much less required.
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            BotBoy  fvj3peFbtueU1@mid.individual.net
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.9--3.06am.Seattle.2018
        Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  pn3tdj$8fe$28@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.9--4.12pm.Seattle.2018
    Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  pn4dg5$8fe$35@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.9--6.24pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m2 Dropped; 33.3 Minutes, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Sep  9 {  5:22pm, 2018 }:29  Wპ3Л
      Geography isn't your strong suit ?

You (Nadegda) replied ( to me ):
> > Chile is coldish, and SparselyPopulated.
> 
> It's in South America, for fuck's sake.

Yes, next to the Antarctic.
Geography isn't your strong suit ?

> > China is capitalist with dictatorial aspects.
> 
> China is coldish [ and SparselyPopulated ].

You've never been to Hong Kong, have you ?

We ( you and I ) can't think of a warm, crowded place where
TrueSocialism has worked for any length of time.

> > "garden variety white supremacism" ?!
> > Pride is ugly, like a wart; the bigger the uglier.
> 
> Not as big or ugly as your X.EXE that you are so prideful about.

Nobody is interested in "X.EXE" proper.
I talk about it because it's on my mind, that's all. 

> > Show me where I'm wrong and/or trivial; please, I beg you.
> 
> That gurgling of yours is in "not even wrong" territory.

No, this is a falsifiable, useful axiom:
 
  The wealth and intelligence of a nation is reflected in its birth
  rate -- from Singapore (.83/woman) and Macau,
  at the top, to Niger (6.49/woman) and Angola at the bottom.
    Jeff-Relf.Me/Global.Fertility.Rates.1970.2014.PNG

> > > > "equal rights" == "equal outcomes" == "submission to an insane despot".
> > > 
> > > Proof, kook?
> > 
> > Venezuela, Cuba, North Korea.
> 
> None of those have equal rights, kook, because they have
> an explicit privileged ruling caste.

No, they have "know it alls", like you, telling them what to do.
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            AndrzejMatuch  mSDkD.93719$HK2.5156@fx08.iad
          MrDFS  SOclD.136843$YL3.4526@fx48.iad
        AndrzejMatuch  K9dlD.59111$MN2.51046@fx02.iad
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.9--3.24pm.Seattle.2018
    BotBoy  fvln23Fs3g5U2@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.9--4.18pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 3  m357 Mad; 13.9 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Mac, Individual.NET,  Sep  9 {  4: 1pm, 2018 }:23^(-7)  Wოწɓ
      Pretty young girls shouting "can I suck your dick" ?!

> > Recently, I had to turn down sex from a fit, BiSexual 24 year old man;
> > he tops women and bottoms for men.  They'll fuck anything, apparently.
> > I told him I was far too sober for that.
> 
> They who? Was this more than one person?

Yes, many people; I could give you many more examples.

You'll _ never walk through a crowd of
pretty young girls shouting "can I suck your dick".
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      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.9--3.06am.Seattle.2018
    Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  pn3tdj$8fe$28@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.9--4.12pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m1 Dropped; 2.7 Hours, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Sep  9 {   :48pm, 2018 }: 3  Wოь3
      China is capitalist with dictatorial aspects.

You (Nadegda) replied ( to me ):
> > TrueSocialism only works in cold, SparselyPopulated areas.
> 
> Proof, kook? It seems to me it was working quite well in Chile
> before the CIA inflicted Pinochet on them.

Chile is coldish, and SparselyPopulated.

We ( you and I ) can't think of a warm, crowded place 
where TrueSocialism has worked for any length of time.

China is capitalist with dictatorial aspects.

> > Pride is ugly, like a wart; the bigger the uglier.
> > A robot might select an apple over an orange,
> > but that doesn't mean it has "free will" ("the uncaused cause").
> 
> What the heck is that? I can't decide whether it's 
> garden variety white supremacism or something more exotic

"garden variety white supremacism" ?!
Pride is ugly, like a wart; the bigger the uglier.

> > Once the cards are all dealt, and the dice stop rolling,
> > and the bets are paid out, the "probability wave" has collapsed.
> 
> I think this might be wrong, but I'm not sure ... kensi?

An "Unknown cause" isn't the same thing is "no cause".
All of history, every lesson ever, every advance, tells me:

  Randomness is ignorance, nothing more.

> > You can't prove anything, not ThermoDynamics ( Entropy and eXergy ), nor
> > General Relativity; in fact, they _ contradict each other.
> > The best you can do is:
> > 
> >   - Find it useful ( in its domain ).
> >   - Try to Falsify it ( in its domain ).
> 
> GR and thermodynamics? 
> I could've sworn it was GR and quantum mechanics ... kensi?

Quantum Mechanics is just a series of odds;
like the odds of a coin toss, or a dice roll,
or the odds of your horse winning -- anything could happen, and does.

> > The earth has warmed and cooled to great extremes over the past _
> > billions of years; long term, it's cooling.
> 
> I'm pretty sure this is wrong, too, even leaving aside human-caused 
> climate change, but ... kensi?

"That Time It Rained for Two Million Years" by "PBS Eons":
youtube.com/watch?v=_1LdMWlNYS4

> > The wealth and intelligence of a nation is reflected in its birth rate
> > -- from Singapore (.83/woman) and Macau,
> > at the top, to Niger (6.49/woman) and Angola at the bottom.
> >   Jeff-Relf.Me/Global.Fertility.Rates.1970.2014.PNG
> 
> This kookery again? You're like a dog with a kooky little bone.

Show me where I'm wrong and/or trivial; please, I beg you.

> > "equal rights" == "equal outcomes" == "submission to an insane despot".
> 
> Proof, kook?

Venezuela, Cuba, North Korea.
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              MrChrisV  fru4pd141s9cnn9t30c64nr469vcfonkbl@4ax.com
            AndrzejMatuch  9uBkD.5999$MJ2.5795@fx11.iad
          SteveCarroll  086408ea-4896-44d7-b4d3-5801ecd0b769@googlegroups.com
        AndrzejMatuch  mSDkD.93719$HK2.5156@fx08.iad
      MrDFS  SOclD.136843$YL3.4526@fx48.iad
    AndrzejMatuch  K9dlD.59111$MN2.51046@fx02.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.9--3.24pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m217 Mad; 27.7 Minutes, Pan, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Sep  9 { 10:56am, 2018 }:58  WოйΓ
      Pretty young girls shouting "can I suck your dick" ?!

Andrzej Matuch wrote:
> homosexuals don't think twice before yelling out 
> their desire to suck my dick. 
> The female gender could learn a thing or two from these deviants.

You'll _ never walk through a crowd of 
pretty young girls shouting "can I suck your dick".

Recently, I had to turn down sex from a fit, BiSexual 24 year old man;
he tops women and bottoms for men.  They'll fuck anything, apparently.
I told him I was far too sober for that.
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        BranimirMaksimovic  Ho4lD.163378$2v.32570@fx14.am4
      AndrzejMatuch  rY8lD.23991$xI1.13151@fx13.iad
    BranimirMaksimovic  k%8lD.211025$6K2.11110@fx38.am4
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.9--0.05pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m123 Top; 5.2 Hours, slrn➤Linux, HighWinds➤Usenet-News.NET,  Sep  9 {  6:12am, 2018 }:48  WოϺm
      Fast, Cheap, or Good -- Pick two.

On 2018-09-09, SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> wrote:
> I tried Gnome Wayland with both nouveau and nvidia driver 
> and it's worse then X11. btrfs is failure as well.
> They made things wrong somewhere.
> No amount of time will correct if thing is bad.

You can have it:  Fast, Cheap, or Good.
Pick two, and only two.
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        BranimirMaksimovic  pZOkD.146049$Wx.13687@fx37.am4
      ChrisAhlstrom  pn30ln$sit$6@dont-email.me
    BranimirMaksimovic  sN7lD.500782$bu.439375@fx17.am4
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.9--11.54am.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╳ 3  m123 Top; 6.6 Hours, slrn➤Linux, HighWinds➤Usenet-News.NET,  Sep  9 {  4:49am, 2018 }:44  WოϞɨ
      "SleepPat" in "X.CPP" in "Jeff-Relf.Me/X.ZIP".

> > C++ all the way babyyyy!
> 
> Heh, that is what I do for living; 
> little bit bored because of that ;)

Last 2 Years, I've been OffLine  8.5 to 13.4  Hours/Day.

  Jeff-Relf.Me/SleepPat.PNG    Jeff-Relf.Me/SleepPat.HTM

  See "SleepPat" in "X.CPP" in "Jeff-Relf.Me/X.ZIP".
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        BranimirMaksimovic  pZOkD.146049$Wx.13687@fx37.am4
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.9--2.15am.Seattle.2018
    BranimirMaksimovic  _E8lD.163724$2v.1524@fx14.am4
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.9--11.43am.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    +Top, 26.1 Minutes, slrn➤Linux, HighWinds➤Usenet-News.NET,  Sep  9 {  5:48am, 2018 }:58  Wო϶w
      I don't feel compelled to use Rust.

> > Does Rust have #define ?
> 
> Rust has more powerful macros. 
> You can introduce syntax constructs with it.
> 
> e.g. if you want C++ for loop, you can add it;
> see "for_loop.rs":   macro_rules! for_loop{

Wow, I wasn't expecting that.
Still, I don't feel compelled to use it.

> > I often destroy temporary heaps instead of calling free(). 
> 
> You mean you have pool allocator?

I create a temporary heap,
allocate millions of items,
and then destroy it [ instead of calling free() ].
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            RonB│ronb02NOSPAM@gmail_com  pmsg2i$beh$2@dont-email.me
          ChrisAhlstrom  pmv1ec$ihu$1@dont-email.me
        RonB│ronb02NOSPAM@gmail_com  pn1enh$q6r$3@dont-email.me
      AndrzejMatuch  JQXkD.61603$Ac3.38518@fx45.iad
    BotBoy  fvj3peFbtueU1@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.9--3.06am.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m349 Mad; 7.7 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Mac, Individual.NET,  Sep  8 {  4:20pm, 2018 }:14^(-7)  Wოɱʆ
      Pride is ugly, like a wart; the bigger the uglier.

Someone wrote:
> If you talk to a liberal, make them answer these questions:
> 1) Why do you live in a white neighborhood ?

Because socialism only works in cold, SparselyPopulated areas. 

> 2)  What percent of American can be white ?

Zero, White people are the source of all evil (not).

> 3) At what point is it OK to have a border and immigration laws ?

Never, just hand them the keys (not).

> 4) What percentage of the population do whites have to be before its 
> morally acceptable for them to be proud of their ancestors, their heritage.

Pride is ugly, like a wart; the bigger the uglier.

A robot might select an apple over an orange,
but that doesn't mean it has "free will" ("the uncaused cause").

We're consumption machines, exploiting a niche,
(poorly) programmed by nature to take a LessBad "option".

We call ourselves "consumers" and the GDP measures our progress.

All of history, every lesson ever, every advance, tells me:

  Randomness is ignorance, nothing more.

Once the cards are all dealt, and the dice stop rolling,
and the bets are paid out, the "probability wave" has collapsed.

The biggest "loophole" in Bell's Theorem is:

  It's an ensemble of tests, a series, not just one test...
  like a pollster, asking 5 _ liars if they'll vote for Hillary or not.

You can't prove anything, not ThermoDynamics ( Entropy and eXergy ),
nor General Relativity; in fact, they _ contradict each other.

The best you can do is:

  - Find it useful ( in its domain ).
  - Try to Falsify it ( in its domain ).

> 11) Do you even know how many are actually fleeing from catastrophic 
> conditions and not just their own poverty?

The earth has warmed and cooled too great extremes 
over the past _ billions of years; long term, it's cooling.
The current warming is exacerbating our reckless living/breeding.

You need a license to drive a motorcycle,
yet _ anyone can "conceive" nascent junkies;
and vasectomies are taboo, even in the porn industry.

The wealth and intelligence of a nation is reflected
in its birth rate -- from Singapore (.83/woman) and Macau, 
at the top, to Niger (6.49/woman) and Angola at the bottom.
  Jeff-Relf.Me/Global.Fertility.Rates.1970.2014.PNG

Snit replied:
> 14) Who made you the morality police ?
> 
> This is just whining; she knows she isn't moral.
> She is clearly against equal rights, and is a bigot...

"equal rights" == "equal outcomes" == "submission to an insane despot".
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    BranimirMaksimovic  pZOkD.146049$Wx.13687@fx37.am4
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.9--2.15am.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 17  m121 Cool; 18.9 Hours, slrn➤Linux, HighWinds➤Usenet-News.NET,  Sep  8 {  5: 8am, 2018 }:53  Wო1ʭ
      Does Rust have #define ?

> I prefer Rust now.
> Haskell is beautiful but is more complex then C++ ;)
> Assembly yessssssssssssssss, but is it language?
> C always, simple and efficient.
> All in all, I think that Rust got it right.

Why ? what makes Rust different from "my" C++ ? 
Does it have #define ?

I often destroy temporary heaps instead of calling free(). 

I enjoyed your notes on screen tearing, by the way.
I once had problems viewing 4 k, 60 fps videos in High Contrast theme mode;
at first, I thought it was my CPU, or maybe my video decoder|renderer.

I think it was a Windows Update that solved it;
Windows was a bit behind the BleedingEdge hardware I was using at the time.
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    kensi│kkensington01@gmail_  pmtjdo$npc$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.7--3.32pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 2  m97 Cool; 11.3 Hours, NewsTap➤iPad, Aioe.ORG,  Sep  7 {  3:20am, 2018 }:43^(-4)  Wნɧʣ
      PBS Eons

"kensi" [sic] wrote:
> Warm ocean water has penetrated deep into the Arctic interior
> portending year round  loss  of sea ice.

Less ice ?!  "Stop the world I wanna get off" -- kensi

Our planet has been a lot warmer, a lot dryer,
a lot wetter, and a lot colder; see: "PBS Eons":

  youtube.com/channel/UCzR-rom72PHN9Zg7RML9EbA

    "That Time It Rained for Two Million Years":
    youtube.com/watch?v=_1LdMWlNYS4
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      mitchrae3323@gmail_com  986056bd-cf8f-4762-8aad-ad1563e5dd2b@googlegroups.com
    HerbertGlazier  e7d802a0-fafe-4feb-a928-6484497a4c81@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.7--3.04pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 11  m273 Top; 4 Hours, GoogleG, 74.118.32.5,  Sep  7 { 10:37am, 2018 }:  ^(PDT)  WნΑy
      Anything could happen.

Herbert Glazier wrote:
> Reality is QM has done 100% in every test.
> God is philosophy QM is the real thing.

QM is just a series of odds;
like the odds of a coin toss, or a dice roll,
or the odds of your horse winning -- that's how "real" it is.

Anything could happen.
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    MrChrisV  fru4pd141s9cnn9t30c64nr469vcfonkbl@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.7--0.17pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    -Dropped, 5 Hours, F_Agent, HighWinds➤Fastusenet.ORG,  Sep  7 {  6:37am, 2018 }:19^(-5)  Wნʈɍ
      #MeToo

> Steve Jobs exposed as an abusive creep, by his #MeToo daughter.
> nypost.com/2018/09/06/steve-jobs-exposed-as-an-abusive-creep-by-his-daughter/

Quoting from the link:

  [ September 5th 2018, Lisa Jobs ] told the "Today" show 
  that she doesn’t hate her father -- she wishes only that 
  she had had more time with him.  

If I were Steve, I would've disowned her.

You can't, or shouldn't, condemn men for getting boners.
Most men lust after girly girls, not the Hillary Clinton types.

I don't have sex, and I don't care for girly girls,
but I _ sure _ as _ hell don't like the Hillary Clinton types.
#MeToo

With any luck, women will become so nasty, the population will drop.

You need a license to drive a motorcycle,
yet _ anyone can "conceive" nascent junkies;
and vasectomies are taboo, even in the porn industry.

The wealth and intelligence of a nation is reflected
in its birth rate -- from Singapore (.83/woman) and Macau, 
at the top, to Niger (6.49/woman) and Angola at the bottom.
  Jeff-Relf.Me/Global.Fertility.Rates.1970.2014.PNG
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              mitchrae3323@gmail_com  35b4feb1-8b9d-490f-98d7-4f46f069f04a@googlegroups.com
            HerbertGlazier  5f15ca87-9271-4748-b7f7-24aa43b2d9ee@googlegroups.com
          HerbertGlazier  f4c218a8-7388-4037-890b-a6901b25fce5@googlegroups.com
        mitchrae3323@gmail_com  d413492b-6af3-42d1-97ab-9fef1e6ec1d1@googlegroups.com
      HerbertGlazier  f1d71f3b-3b57-4d02-a3ba-f15a491cb262@googlegroups.com
    HerbertGlazier  2cdb0717-6268-44cf-8fa0-ea330f1b1533@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.6--7.02pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m253 Top; 2.4 Hours, GoogleG, 74.118.32.5,  Sep  6 {  4: 5pm, 2018 }:20^(PDT)  Wმწю
      Everyone but JongUn Kim enjoys an "equal outcome" (slavery).

Bert wrote:
> Aliens can walk, fly, and swim.  Their planet has lots of 
> water, and heavy air.  It is twice the size as Earth, 
> but with an equal gravity force.  Population: 18 billion, 
> 11 billion of which are female.    
> 
> They have rubbery skin covered with feathers. 
> Females all white.  Males rainbow.  Their cities are domed 
> and they control climate.  They keep it at 58 F They sleep 
> in fresh water beds.  They share all females.    
> 
> They are of one class.  Fact is they are born as 
> identical twins.  They think alike.  Share all that is.
> No leader, No Gods.  They will not leave their planet.
> They have only love in both heart and soul.    
> 
> We all should read this post so we can change.
> It was written by them and not by me.
> I was just used to type their words.  Much like Treb used me.  

David Koresh, 1993, Waco Texas, said he spoke for God.

He'd annul all marriages of couples who joined his group,
and gained exclusive sexual access to the women.  

He fathered at least 15 children with various women.
He "married" thirteen year old Michelle Jones.

He had a big ego, to say the least.
Everyone but Koresh enjoyed an "equal outcome" (slavery).

Everyone but JongUn Kim enjoys an "equal outcome" (slavery).
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              jimp@specsol_spam_sux_com  h0366f-tsc.ln1@mail.specsol.com
            Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  pmpobj$lt9$1@dont-email.me
          jimp@specsol_spam_sux_com  9t566f-d6d.ln1@mail.specsol.com
        Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  pmq5vs$lt9$5@dont-email.me
      Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.35fa87a9343d5f8699487c@news.altopia.com
    kensi│kkensington01@gmail_  pmrjmp$1ivm$6@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.6--9.49am.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 2  m97 Cool; 2.2 Minutes, NewsTap➤iPad, Aioe.ORG,  Sep  6 {  9:13am, 2018 }:15^(-4)  WმШɁ
      Vasectomies are taboo, even in the porn industry.

The current warming period will be over soon -- easy come, easy go;
meanwhile, it's exacerbating our reckless living/breeding.
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      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.4--8.12am.Seattle.2018
    BotBoy  fv811gF3hsmU2@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.4--0.46pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    +-, 1.3 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Mac, Individual.NET,  Sep  4 { 11:25am, 2018 }:52^(-7)  WლΙɰ
      There is no such thing as an "uncaused cause" ( free will ).

> > A robot might select an apple over an orange,
> > but that doesn't mean it has "free will" ("the uncaused cause").
> 
> How is an "uncaused cause" different from randomness?

There is no such thing as an "uncaused cause" ( free will ).

All of history, every lesson ever, every advance, tells me:

  Randomness is ignorance, nothing more.
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        kensi│kkensington01@gmail_  pmm6q7$mtc$1@gioia.aioe.org
      BenJacoby  pmm7kl$ord$1@gioia.aioe.org
    Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  pmma2c$tla$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.4--10.29am.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 4  m216 Mad; 1.3 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win7, Aioe.ORG,  Sep  4 {  8:58am, 2018 }: 1^(-5)  Wლʟϡ
      Reckless living/breeding.

> Is "climate change" causing San Francisco homeless to shoot dope 
> and poop all over the place;   YouTube.COM/watch?v=B5n-6mSe9os

Yes, the warmer America gets, the more it looks like crowded India,
instead of sparse Norway.

Reckless driving used to be the primary killer of our youth;
today it's reckless living/breeding.

The wealth and intelligence of a nation is reflected
in its birth rate -- from Singapore (.83/woman) and Macau, 
at the top, to Niger (6.49/woman) and Angola at the bottom.
  Jeff-Relf.Me/Global.Fertility.Rates.1970.2014.PNG
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    JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.4--8.12am.Seattle.2018
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.4--9.03am.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    +Top, 44.9 Minutes, X.HTM, HighWinds➤Usenet-News.NET,  Sep  4 {  8:12am, 2018 }:45^(Seattle)  Wლʘj
      Asking 5 liars if they'll vote for Hillary or not.

     Correction...
Bell's Theorem is an ensemble of tests, a series, not just one test...
like a pollster, asking 5 _ liars if they'll vote for Hillary or not.
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.4--8.12am.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
      A robot might select an apple over an orange...

A robot might select an apple over an orange,
but that doesn't mean it has "free will" ("the uncaused cause").

We're consumption machines, exploiting a niche,
(poorly) programmed by nature to take a LessBad "option".

We call ourselves "consumers" and the GDP measures our progress.

All of history, every lesson ever, every advance, tells me:

  Randomness is ignorance, nothing more.

Once the cards are all dealt, and the dice stop rolling,
and the bets are paid out, the "probability wave" has collapsed.

The biggest "loophole" in Bell's Theorem is:

  It's an _ Ensemble of tests, a series, not just one test,
  like a pollster, asking _ 5 people if they'll vote for Hillary or not.

You can't prove anything, not ThermoDynamics ( Entropy and eXergy ),
nor General Relativity; in fact, they _ contradict each other.

The best you can do is:

  - Find it useful ( in its domain ).
  - Try to Falsify it ( in its domain ).
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.29--8.13am.Seattle.2018
            Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  r06eod9jskjbivic1lb7ggshov6gcsb19b@4ax.com
          Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.35f1ed96f48494f79947c3@news.altopia.com
        Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  qsgjod18ev4m676gpbaiium9osmdcroq9k@4ax.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.1--10.59am.Seattle.2018
    Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  22kqod9no316mr8lusmhv8l0bsdh124aqv@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.3--9.59am.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m14 Cool; 4.4 Minutes, F_Agent, Alt.NET,  Sep  3 {  9:44am, 2018 }:20^(-4)  WკЭʌ
      Women aren't half as dumb as you need them to be.

> > How old are you, Greg, and when was the last time you 
> > had sex with 24 year old, childless girl ?
> 
> It's been almost forever but the memory lingers and
> what kind of a dumb question is that anyway? It has 
> nothing to do with disproving the assertion, dude.

Women aren't half as dumb as you need them to be, Greg.
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        MrDFS  _5ghD.102992$XA2.96366@fx38.iad
      │fire@starter_net(🔥🔥🔥  l41t5f-r9d1.ln1@news.neodome.net
    MrDFS  DG%iD.44279$4S3.22059@fx47.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.2--8.04pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, News.Software.Readers, Alt.Free.Newsservers
    ╱ 1  m182 Top; 1.9 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win8.1, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Sep  2 {  5:59pm, 2018 }: 3^(-4)  Wკʁн
      Global Fertility Rates, 1970 vs. 2014

> > you can upload your picture directly to Usenet and 
> > provide Message-ID to text group.
> 
> I won't be doing that.

<img Src="http://Jeff-Relf.Me/Global.Fertility.Rates.1970.2014.PNG" Alt="Global Fertility Rates, 1970 vs. 2014">
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.15--10.06am.Seattle.2018
            Neodome_Admin│admin@neodome_  pld294$9fi$1@neodome.net
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.19--10.56pm.Seattle.2018
        Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  8ohrnd93t69f54u3bekrv6k6s9t3l2fbhj@4ax.com
      Neodome_Admin│admin@neodome_  pm4nv2$n7h$1@neodome.net
    Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  ptijodtp69kuajv4iomh3genf1krk31ir5@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.1--11.10am.Seattle.2018
  News.Software.Readers, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Free.Newsservers
    ╱ 1  m8 Cool; 3.1 Minutes, F_Agent, Webspawner.COM,  Sep  1 { 10:49am, 2018 }:14^(-4)  WიΓɀ
      Removing the "Path:" line makes a post fully anonymous.

> > Do you mind sending a test post with preloaded Path so we can see if it
> > will show up on Google Groups or not?
> 
> No problem. This post meets those requirements. See headers.

Fail, see:
  https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/comp.os.linux.advocacy/J_qqGvRMDqM/CpqYx9rUEwAJ
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              .  Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.28--11.39pm.Seattle.2018
            .  pm61ou$13mr$1@gioia.aioe.org
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.29--8.13am.Seattle.2018
        Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  r06eod9jskjbivic1lb7ggshov6gcsb19b@4ax.com
      Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.35f1ed96f48494f79947c3@news.altopia.com
    Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  qsgjod18ev4m676gpbaiium9osmdcroq9k@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.1--10.59am.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m8 Cool; 3.1 Minutes, F_Agent, Alt.NET,  Sep  1 { 10:49am, 2018 }:13^(-4)  WიΓȿ
      When was the last time ?

On Thu, 30 Aug 2018 13:04:13 -0700, Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> wrote:
> IMO, any vagina over about 25 years of age is no longer desirable.
> 
> Any vagina that has passed a baby no matter the
> age is also shot all to hell as it is stretched and 
> doesn't adequately grip and excite a penis.

How old are you, Greg, and when was the last time you 
had sex with 24 year old, childless girl ?
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        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.27--6.44pm.Seattle.2018
      Chris_M_Thomasson│invalid_  pm9oj5$t62$2@dont-email.me
    Odd_Bodkin│bodkinodd@gmail_com  pm9pvj$1bb3$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.30--4.38pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m1 Shifty; 40.1 Minutes, NewsTap➤iPhone, Aioe.ORG,  Aug 30 {  3: 9pm, 2018 }:55  Wთɥϛ
      The market of ideas.

Speaking of me, "Odd" [sic] wrote:
> Jeff is a practiced master of rationalizing his meager circumstances
> as being the best of all possible worlds. 
> 
> I know a homeless guy who breezes through town regularly who constantly
> thanks his good fortune to not have to pay for roof repairs. 

Lots of people don't like the rat race, it's not just me.

The market of ideas is far more fascinating than the financial market.
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    AbhinavLal  45e0dbad-bbeb-4127-bb7b-9c58b94953b3@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.29--8.26am.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 3  m35 Cool; 1.1 Hours, GoogleG, 171.79.18.19,  Aug 29 {  7:10am, 2018 }:20^(PDT)  WზʍВ
      No one is welcome here.

> If you don’t make me feel welcome in this newsgroup,
>  remember the golden rule.

No one is welcome here, especially not me.

> Truth is my religion

You can't prove anything, not ThermoDynamics ( Entropy and eXergy ),
nor General Relativity; in fact, they _ contradict each other.

The best you can do is:

  - Find it useful ( in its domain ).
  - Try to Falsify it ( in its domain ).

All of history, every lesson ever, every advance, tells me:

  Randomness is ignorance, nothing more.

Everyone, from the serial killer to his executer, slave and master,
are best viewed under this light (SuperDeterminism), instead of 
assuming "free will" ("the uncaused cause"), à la Christianity.

SuperDeterminism was useful to Einstein, and to me;
it is _ not useful to The Pope.
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            HerbertGlazier  ec2d654e-53e4-4521-9740-b6f435bf84e0@googlegroups.com
          mitchrae3323@gmail_com  d63cddc8-9313-428a-8233-4db91001c287@googlegroups.com
        Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  pm53i1$1jtc$1@gioia.aioe.org
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.28--11.39pm.Seattle.2018
    Odd_Bodkin│bodkinodd@gmail_com  pm61ou$13mr$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.29--8.13am.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m236 Mad; 2.2 Hours, NewsTap➤iPhone, Aioe.ORG,  Aug 29 {  4:58am, 2018 }:22  WზɷД
      The pee _ shaft hangs down into the vagina.

"Odd" [sic] replied ( to me ):
> > Pink holes are outside of our observable universe.
> 
> For someone who claims to be grateful about lacking sex,
> you sure think about it a lot.

All around the world... Dictators, Robots, Bishops, Ayatollahs,
Authoritarians, Censors and Moderators are _all in agreement:
you should _ not see:  Jeff-Relf.Me/Urethral.Opening.JPG

Notice how the pee _ shaft hangs down into the vagina.

Most women aren't aware of this, not even the "educated" ones. 

On "SexPlanations" (YouTube), Ms. Lindsey Doe's drawing
(wrongly) suggests that the pee "hole" ( sans shaft )
is halfway between the rim of the vagina and the clit.

Like me, porn actresses are fully aware, of course;
but knowing this, as I do, and fearlessly talking about it, as I do,
doesn't mean I need to keep touching the real thing.
-- Personally, I can't be "lonely" enough.

Vasectomies are an even more taboo subject, even in the porn industry.

The wealth and intelligence of a nation is reflected
in its birth rate -- from Singapore (.83/woman) and Macau, 
at the top, to Niger (6.49/woman) and Angola at the bottom.
  Jeff-Relf.Me/Global.Fertility.Rates.1970.2014.PNG
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        HerbertGlazier  ec2d654e-53e4-4521-9740-b6f435bf84e0@googlegroups.com
      mitchrae3323@gmail_com  d63cddc8-9313-428a-8233-4db91001c287@googlegroups.com
    Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  pm53i1$1jtc$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.28--11.39pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 2  m230 Mad; 3.1 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win7, Aioe.ORG,  Aug 28 {  8:22pm, 2018 }:47^(-5)  WზXЭ
      Pink holes are outside of our observable universe.

> > Is there White Holes?
> > 
> > When it makes a wormhole...
> 
> gray worm between black hole and white hole

Pink holes are outside of our observable universe.
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          .  89fbfbd5-6f8e-4bea-8579-b0ce836d08ed@googlegroups.com
        .  Ui0hD.25585$FC.13888@fx28.iad
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.27--5.58pm.Seattle.2018
    MrAA  16e921ab-3706-45e6-8e09-4040e0d91660@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.28--3.30pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m93 Top; 9 Minutes, GoogleG, 205.153.48.25,  Aug 28 {  3:19pm, 2018 }:30^(PDT)  Wვქɚ
      Walking around, buying stuff.

> > I don't want a phone when I'm outside, walking around, buying stuff.
> > I don't use a car, bus, train, plane, or anything like that.
> 
> Do you jog?

No, not normally; I get too tired, too quickly.
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          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.27--6.44pm.Seattle.2018
        .  d104b415-e920-4fce-a6c8-7ab154fca4b5@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.28--6.23am.Seattle.2018
    BenJacoby  pm4hbd$sle$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.28--3.16pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m3 Dropped; 24 Secs, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Aioe.ORG,  Aug 28 {  3:11pm, 2018 }:57^(-4)  Wვუჳ
      I've a shit ton of work to do ( for my boss ).

> Life is easy.  Life is good.

So true but, still, I've a shit ton of work to do ( for my boss ).
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            FabianRussell  89fbfbd5-6f8e-4bea-8579-b0ce836d08ed@googlegroups.com
          MrDFS  Ui0hD.25585$FC.13888@fx28.iad
        AndrzejMatuch  IjchD.25591$FC.21580@fx28.iad
      FabianRussell  ac85a7a7-d4c4-430c-9353-01b58a5ec428@googlegroups.com
    SteveCarroll  68c3b2a5-221f-4fac-985b-15570eeb4d77@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.28--1.25pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m365 Mad; 20.7 Minutes, GoogleG,  Aug 28 {  1: 1pm, 2018 }:11^(PDT)  WვюȽ
      I can't be "lonely" enough.

> > using a smartphone is like wearing a dress.
> 
> So you've been a REAL lonely MAN your entire life... 
> big surprise there ;)

You like living with a woman ?

Personally, I can't be "lonely" enough.
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      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.27--6.44pm.Seattle.2018
    carleto4157990662@gmail_com  d104b415-e920-4fce-a6c8-7ab154fca4b5@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.28--6.23am.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m1 Shifty; 8.8 Hours, GoogleG, 137.150.101.196,  Aug 27 {  7:48pm, 2018 }:12^(PDT)  WვʔC
      UnEmployment is a (wonderful) vacation.

> >  In a way, visible homelessness is a sign of prosperity.
> 
> The depression was an prosperous time 

Yes, exactly.

Work on the Empire State Building began March, 1930.
1929 to 1941, productivity was so high, it was shocking.

UnEmployment is a (wonderful) vacation.
Many homeless people are _ happy to not be in the rat race, trust me.

> India is a prosperous place.

Correct.
The Indian economy is largely resilient to external pressures
and is expected to grow around 7.5% in 2018 and 2019.

Where else do you see such growth  ?
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.27--6.44pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
      Visible homelessness is a sign of prosperity.

(Poor) "undesirables" in communist Russia were worked to death in gulags.
Even today, "communist" China sends them to ReEducation camps.
Only a rich country, like America, can afford to be more tolerant.

So, in a way, visible homelessness is a sign of prosperity.
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      FabianRussell  89fbfbd5-6f8e-4bea-8579-b0ce836d08ed@googlegroups.com
    MrDFS  Ui0hD.25585$FC.13888@fx28.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.27--5.58pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m133 Top; 11.3 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win8.1, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Aug 27 {  5: 5pm, 2018 }: 8^(-4)  Wვɸт
      Fabian spends over twice what I do, per month, for his phone.

MrDFS replied to Fabian:
> > I pay $6.67 per month for my simple cell phone.
> 
> Smartphones are awesome.  Greatest thing since the PC.

Fabian spends over twice what I do, per month, for his phone.
When someone texts me, the conversation pops up
on my 4k, 40 inch, ArmMounted, curved monitor.   VoIP.MS

People I've texted, last 90 days:  Jeff-Relf.Me/VoIP.MS.PNG

I respond by voice dictating, via Win10's "Touch Keyboard";
a mouse button toggles the keyboard on and off.
Another mouse button answers the phone.

I download whatever I want, no gig limit, no DataCap.
No concerns about signal reception or battery life.

I don't want a phone when I'm outside, walking around, buying stuff.
I don't use a car, bus, train, plane, or anything like that.
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            AbhinavLal  19cf1d78-b355-48ac-a9a0-8f5822519b27@googlegroups.com
          Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  pm106c$rne$1@gioia.aioe.org
        AbhinavLal  da210c89-7eda-43ba-ad5d-476364140adb@googlegroups.com
      Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  pm1dkl$1lea$1@gioia.aioe.org
    AbhinavLal  6151b6bc-1249-4af2-afc0-5c5900c8197d@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.27--0.00pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m27 Cool; 2.3 Minutes, GoogleG, 122.162.35.221,  Aug 27 { 11:54am, 2018 }:15^(PDT)  WვȻF
      A robot can make that choice too.

> > take 5 apples of different types and ask someone to choose one.
> > did they do that or somebody else ?
> 
> Either you are clueless about the concept of free will, 
> or are pretending to be.

A robot can make that choice too, 
does does that mean it has free will ?

We call ourselves "consumers" and the GDP measures our progress.
We're "robot aliens" ( consumption machines ), exploiting a niche,
(poorly) programmed by nature to take a LessBad "option".
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        AbhinavLal  19cf1d78-b355-48ac-a9a0-8f5822519b27@googlegroups.com
      mitchrae3323@gmail_com  3b131730-4856-4710-8601-d9ab4d196863@googlegroups.com
    AbhinavLal  b4c710dd-4a9e-46ac-97e0-905c6730ba8c@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.27--11.50am.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 2  m26 Cool; 3.3 Hours, GoogleG, 122.162.35.221,  Aug 27 {  8:31am, 2018 }:18^(PDT)  WვZɌ
      Nirvana is freedom from desire, chill.

> Life is freedom from being dead  Death is freedom from being alive.

Life is suffering.  Desire causes suffering.
Nirvana is freedom from desire, chill.
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          JohnGohde  8f09ea7f-d5a1-43aa-9845-5e660baa4579@googlegroups.com
        MrDFS  71WgD.42672$5%7.33783@fx29.iad
      Owl  b78x9930ga.gh@rooftop.invalid
    SteveCarroll  ef67e117-2603-4501-bfbf-763e61cee6cb@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.27--11.46am.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m373 Mad; 51.9 Minutes, GoogleG,  Aug 27 { 10:47am, 2018 }:48^(PDT)  Wვvც
      John Gohde is an ankle biter.

John Gohde is an ankle biter.
urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ankle-biter
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              SteveCarroll  851bf370-4d99-46cb-ab0d-330da02953b4@googlegroups.com
            BotBoy  fudjtdFfj10U1@mid.individual.net
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.26--0.19am.Seattle.2018
        BotBoy  fug9d4Ft3s5U1@mid.individual.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.26--0.11pm.Seattle.2018
    BotBoy  fuicd2F92quU1@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.27--7.03am.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m681 Mad; 3.8 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Mac, Individual.NET,  Aug 27 {  6:24am, 2018 }:50^(-7)  WვEo
      I'm sorry you can't see your flaws.

> > Your stupidity is incomprehensible, Mike.
> > Although many have tried, none have found the depth of your cluelessness.
> 
> Sorry you feel the need to lash out. I wish you well.

I'm sorry you can't see your flaws.

> > "Undesirables", including poor people, are jailed and/or killed.
> 
> All too often this is true.

Of course it's true, especially in China and Russia.

After Hong Kong was handed over to China, 
several bookstore owners supposedly "turned themselves in":

  " Hong Kong bookseller goes public "  Jun 2016
  YouTube.COM/watch?v=XKEBq8xRvOE

" China Imprisoning 1 Million People in 
  re-education camps Based On Religion " Aug 25, 2018
YouTube.COM/watch?v=9XPnoMopChU
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              HughHuntzinger  9fb2ff4c-5e99-48b5-8cdd-078c13ea3403@googlegroups.com
            Owl  8uaubo4.ghy6@rooftop.invalid
          SteveCarroll  851bf370-4d99-46cb-ab0d-330da02953b4@googlegroups.com
        BotBoy  fudjtdFfj10U1@mid.individual.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.26--0.19am.Seattle.2018
    BotBoy  fug9d4Ft3s5U1@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.26--0.11pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    +-, 43.7 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Mac, Individual.NET,  Aug 26 { 11:21am, 2018 }:23^(-7)  WეΘδ
      "Undesirables", including poor people, are jailed and/or killed.

> > If we don't want bums, illegal aliens and junkies hanging around,
> > then we have to enforce the current regulations ( and/or increase them );
> > and that means more taxes and less liberty.  The "choice" would be:
> >    -- Work your ass off ( to pay taxes and conform ).
> >    -- Hard labor in a "gulag" and/or torture in a "ReEducation camp".
> > 
> > We call ourselves "consumers" and the GDP measures our progress.
> > We're "robot aliens" ( consumption machines ), exploiting a niche,
> > (poorly) programmed by nature to take a LessBad "option".
> 
> Your comment had nothing to do with what you responded to. Weird.

Your stupidity is incomprehensible, Mike.
Although many have tried, none have found the depth of your cluelessness.

"Undesirables", including poor people, are jailed and/or killed.
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              HughHuntzinger  55fb5cc0-adb7-4569-9fe8-d7ac50db87c5@googlegroups.com
            Owl  800bnqb.qhuo44@rooftop.invalid
          HughHuntzinger  9fb2ff4c-5e99-48b5-8cdd-078c13ea3403@googlegroups.com
        Owl  8uaubo4.ghy6@rooftop.invalid
      SteveCarroll  851bf370-4d99-46cb-ab0d-330da02953b4@googlegroups.com
    BotBoy  fudjtdFfj10U1@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.26--0.19am.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 4  m736 Mad; 12.5 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Mac, Individual.NET,  Aug 25 { 11: 2am, 2018 }:20^(-7)  Wდкʌ
      We call ourselves "consumers" and the GDP measures our progress.

> the wealthy are to be worshiped. 
> being poor is a moral failing.

If we don't want bums, illegal aliens and junkies hanging around,
then we have to enforce the current regulations ( and/or increase them );
and that means more taxes and less liberty.  The "choice" would be:
  -- Work your ass off ( to pay taxes and conform ). 
  -- Hard labor in a "gulag" and/or torture in a "ReEducation camp". 

We call ourselves "consumers" and the GDP measures our progress.
We're "robot aliens" ( consumption machines ), exploiting a niche,
(poorly) programmed by nature to take a LessBad "option".
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    AbhinavLal  19cf1d78-b355-48ac-a9a0-8f5822519b27@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.25--1.32am.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m22 Cool; 13.7 Hours, GoogleG, 122.162.35.221,  Aug 24 { 11:26am, 2018 }:39^(PDT)  Wდȶʟ
      Give me better "choices", then I'll be rich.

> Do you believe in free will?

What is it, the uncaused cause ?

> Many scientists claim that free will is an illusion.
> But then how do we make moral judgements, and find meaning in life?

All of history, every lesson ever, every advance, tells me:

  Randomness is ignorance, nothing more.

Everyone, from the serial killer to his executer, slave and master,
are best viewed under this light (SuperDeterminism), instead of 
assuming "free will" ("the uncaused cause"), à la Christianity.

SuperDeterminism was useful to Einstein, and to me;
it is _ not useful to The Pope.

We call ourselves "consumers" and the GDP measures our progress.
We're "robot aliens" ( consumption machines ), exploiting a niche,
(poorly) programmed by nature to take a LessBad "option".

> “Give me freedom, or give me death”

Give me better "choices", then I'll be rich.

If we don't want bums, illegal aliens and junkies hanging around,
then we have to enforce the current regulations ( and/or increase them );
and that means more taxes and less liberty.  The "choice" would be:
  -- Work your ass off ( to pay the taxes ) and conform. 
  -- Hard labor in a "gulag" and/or torture in a "ReEducation camp". 
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              SteveCarroll  6e29cc03-6073-4439-a7a3-264ead7b663f@googlegroups.com
            HughHuntzinger  1c141253-fe58-4a49-a1ae-8ced5a98b6fe@googlegroups.com
          SteveCarroll  9e1d0774-9832-4400-b1f2-cd187cb3b729@googlegroups.com
        HughHuntzinger  58bc7633-fffd-409b-9fc8-6802eed1ac4b@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.23--9.03pm.Seattle.2018
    SteveCarroll  427031e6-7cb1-4c48-a536-13e6af43e188@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.24--10.32am.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 2  m421 Mad; 19.8 Minutes, GoogleG,  Aug 24 {  8:38am, 2018 }:18^(PDT)  Wდaʊ
      Keep the best, Toss the rest.

> > -- Work your ass off ( to pay the taxes ) and conform. 
> > -- Hard labor in a "gulag" and/or torture in a "ReEducation camp". 
> 
> Lumping illegal aliens in with bums is way out there.

Deport the illegal aliens that aren't paying taxes
and following the rules; Keep the best, Toss the rest. 
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        mitchrae3323@gmail_com  32ad5afa-c3ca-443d-a271-ceb9ee45449b@googlegroups.com
      MrAA  f56e0c03-3e9e-4613-84ac-da83bfec431e@googlegroups.com
    jimp@specsol_spam_sux_com  5vt35f-8gf.ln1@mail.specsol.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.24--3.58am.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m16 Cool; 9.8 Hours, tin➤Sun, Eternal-September.ORG,  Aug 23 {  4:52pm, 2018 }:37^(0)  WგϞУ
      JFK, the gold standard for bad behavior.

> > > Trump is in bed with Putin.  WOW
> > > Trump"s call girls we ready for them 24 7.
> > > All this has been in the news, as every one knows.
> > 
> > Do you think we should bring back Joe McCarthy
> > for a committee hearing on him ?
>  
> It looks to me like we already have.

New York Post:

  “If I don’t have sex every day, I get a headache,” 
  John F. Kennedy would remark to anyone who would 
  listen, from British Prime Minister Harold Macmillan 
  to a lowly senatorial aide.    

  Even in the pantheon of sexual narcissists drawn to 
  politics, Kennedy’s obsessive conquesting remains
  the gold standard for bad behavior.  

  Here, a gallery of some ( but almost certainly not all )
  of his most notable trysts.    

    Marlene Dietrich, Actress

      It was over in 20 minutes, and when JFK started to 
      fall asleep, Dietrich shook him awake because she 
      didn’t know how to get out of the White House.  

      She also slept with JFK's father.

    19-year-old Mimi Alford, White House Intern

      She never called him “Jack,” only “Mr. President.”
      JFK dared her, successfully, into giving oral sex
      to an aide in the pool.

    Marilyn Monroe, Actress

      When Marilyn told Jackie of the affair, she replied:

        Marilyn, you’ll marry Jack, that’s great ... and 
        you’ll move into the White House and you’ll assume 
        the responsibilities of first lady, 
        and I’ll move out, and you’ll have all the problems.  

    Judith Campbell Exner, Mafia Moll

      Exner ferried envelopes from JFK to the mob, alleged 
      payoffs or instructions for vote-buying in elections 
      and plans to kill Fidel Castro. 

      “the Kennedys have their own set of rules,” 
      she said. “Jack was reckless, so reckless.”
      Exner also claimed she aborted JFK’s child.  

    Angie Dickinson, Actress

    Ellen Rometsch, 27-year-old German Prostitute

      She attended naked pool parties at the White House in 
      the spring of 1963 and on more than one occasion came 
      to the residence explicitly to have sex with the president.  

    Mary Pinchot Meyer, Socialite

      Meyer was shot execution-style in October 1964, 
      while walking in Georgetown.  The crime is still unsolved.

    Blaze Starr, Stripper

      She described JFK’s sexual performance as
      “ Very quick and very wild ”.

      Their impending White House tryst was interrupted by 
      the drama of the Cuban Missile Crisis:
      “ My one big chance for the Lincoln Room, and I didn’t get it. ”

   Pamela Turnure, Jackie's Press Secretary

     Trysted with JFK from 1961 to 1963,
     beginning when she was 21. 

     Originally the president’s secretary when 
     he was a senator, Turnure got the White House gig 
     thanks to JFK, who lobbied his wife to hire her.

     When Jackie was gone, Turnure would reportedly 
     spend nights with the president.  

   Gunilla Von Post, 21-year-old Swedish Socialite

     This affair started _ before JFK was Married. 

   Gene Tierney, Actress

   Fiddle and Faddle, White House Secretaries

     Both reportedly left work frequently 
     to skinny-dip in the pool with JFK
     and would go back to their stations with wet hair.

     The women also accompanied him on “business trips” to 
     locales including Berlin, Rome, Ireland, Costa Rica, 
     Mexico and Nassau.  

Obama smoked the wacky tobaccy.
Bill Clinton stuck his cigar up an intern's cooter.
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      JohnGohde  de1e3906-c8ce-4f6e-bb4b-fa9709861db6@googlegroups.com
    JohnGohde  885d324b-97eb-46dc-8dfb-c701a189350d@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.24--2.16am.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 2  m49 Top; 9.7 Hours, GoogleG, 74.110.191.4,  Aug 23 {  4:17pm, 2018 }:58^(PDT)  WგϘჴ
      Linux and WikiPedia

> Tell me what Linux is, with a straight face, and I will
> guarantee you that I'll get a good laugh out of it.

Linux and WikiPedia are ProofPositive that 
random people can come together,
without expecting a reward, or fearing a punishment,
to create something amazing for the common good.
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              RonB│ronb02NOSPAM@gmail_com  plkqbd$hqk$1@dont-email.me
            HughHuntzinger  28aa68da-a325-424d-9d45-75145d591dc9@googlegroups.com
          SteveCarroll  6e29cc03-6073-4439-a7a3-264ead7b663f@googlegroups.com
        HughHuntzinger  1c141253-fe58-4a49-a1ae-8ced5a98b6fe@googlegroups.com
      SteveCarroll  9e1d0774-9832-4400-b1f2-cd187cb3b729@googlegroups.com
    HughHuntzinger  58bc7633-fffd-409b-9fc8-6802eed1ac4b@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.23--9.03pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m57 Top; 2.6 Hours, GoogleG, 143.85.5.18,  Aug 23 { 11:27am, 2018 }: 3^(PDT)  WგΙΘ
      The "choice".

If we don't want bums, illegal aliens and junkies hanging around,
then we have to enforce the current regulations ( and/or increase them );
and that means more taxes and less liberty.  The "choice" would be:
  -- Work your ass off ( to pay the taxes ) and conform. 
  -- Sit in "jail" ( ReEducation camps ). 
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              HerbertGlazier  82ca51bf-4cfa-4506-90cf-535248cec853@googlegroups.com
            mitchrae3323@gmail_com  7b6437ee-3dfb-4e3b-a05b-b4940a132788@googlegroups.com
          Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  plilim$1u4p$1@gioia.aioe.org
        mitchrae3323@gmail_com  49846c94-4ca6-4d16-90e8-03990de3dcbf@googlegroups.com
      Chris_M_Thomasson│invalid_  plilpp$6gf$1@dont-email.me
    Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  plkdtl$s4i$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.22--0.42pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics
    ╳ 1  m248 Mad; 4 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win7, Aioe.ORG,  Aug 22 {   :35pm, 2018 }:21^(-5)  Wბщя
      blazars

> > > > what happened to start the beginning ?

2016, NASA's Fermi Gamma-ray Space Telescope found 
the brightest objects known to man: gamma-ray blazars,
Two Trillion times the sun's output.

They're young, of course, just 1.4 billion year old, 
multi-billion-solar-mass black holes, in "Active Galactic Nuclei".

Like The Known Universe itself, blazars had more exergy,
less entropy, when they were younger. 

At the start, there was "no entropy" ("no time, no space"), just "eXergy" 
( a type of energy that can do physical work, force * distance ).

Everything decays, even gravity; hence the arrow of time.
Entropy converts blazars into SpaceTime.  Gravity is residual eXergy.

Eventually, this eXergy will be consumed away, replaced with entropy,
leaving us with a uniform heat bath that has all of the energy
but none of the eXergy.  

Einstein's Cosmological Constant ( 1.11 * 10^−52 / Meters^2 ) tells us 
that outer space is growing EXPONENTIALLY, gravity is dying off;
-- i.e. the "Heat Death" predicted by Lord Kelvin, 1852,
   is the most likley outcome.
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              FabianRussell  plcldo02ikt@news4.newsguy.com
            Peter_Köhlmann│peter-koehlmann  plcnbq$k2g$1@dont-email.me
          AndrzejMatuch  B0BeD.211050$yt.117854@fx39.iad
        HughHuntzinger  ad2a5dc0-ee5e-4005-afe5-ed180fe6c6de@googlegroups.com
      Owl  9b0309abh.3h@rooftop.invalid
    HughHuntzinger  8349571c-8c70-4013-ae32-c42587a86ddc@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.22--11.18am.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m52 Top; 1.6 Minutes, GoogleG, 143.85.5.18,  Aug 22 { 11:11am, 2018 }: 4^(PDT)  Wბло
      Owl's body building will lead to child support.

I think Owl's body building will lead to child support, if it hasn't already.

The more oxygen you breathe, the sooner you'll die.
Entropy makes us ugly; calories make us fat.

Goolge: oxidative-stress, case-studies.
Quoting " Oxidative Stress and the Aging Brain ", Dr. Riddle, 2007.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.NIH.GOV/books/NBK3869/

  Currently, one of the most plausible and acceptable 
  explanations for the mechanistic basis of aging is 
  the " free radical theory of aging " ...

  The origin of this explanation has a foundation in 
  the " rate of living theory " [ Pearl ], 
  according to which, the lifespan of an individual depends on
  its rate of energy utilization ( metabolic rate ) ... 

  Pearl proposed that the longevity of an organism 
  is inversely correlated to its mass-specific 
  metabolic rate: increasing an organism’s metabolic 
  rate will decrease longevity, whereas factors that 
  decrease the metabolic rate will increase longevity ... 

  birds have a low rate of free radical production
  in brain and in other tissues [ increasing their longevity ]
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              Musatov│tomusatov@gmail_com  0e0b31e0-d841-417d-9e4b-0f0bddb68a37@googlegroups.com
            Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  plhbab$1u1b$1@gioia.aioe.org
          Musatov│tomusatov@gmail_com  99a1f522-c324-4b42-b8b7-9fbeb59e7c22@googlegroups.com
        Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  plhhir$a2r$1@gioia.aioe.org
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.21--2.18pm.Seattle.2018
    Musatov│tomusatov@gmail_com  bf92ab6a-c035-471c-b5ed-b66ddd28a661@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.21--2.52pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m6 Shifty; 3.7 Minutes, GoogleG, 156.99.162.253,  Aug 21 {  2:47pm, 2018 }:13^(PDT)  Wბɡч
      When ?

> > Which Hawking are we talking about ?
> > He changed his opinion over the years.
> > 
> > In the end, his book and TV series said SuperDeterminism is real,
> > he said no one can go backwards in time, not even via wormholes,
> > and he said black holes don't hide information from us.
> 
> I was referring to our man at Cambridge.

When ?
He changed his opinion over the years.
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              Musatov│tomusatov@gmail_com  0e0b31e0-d841-417d-9e4b-0f0bddb68a37@googlegroups.com
            Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  plhbab$1u1b$1@gioia.aioe.org
          Musatov│tomusatov@gmail_com  99a1f522-c324-4b42-b8b7-9fbeb59e7c22@googlegroups.com
        Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  plhhir$a2r$1@gioia.aioe.org
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.21--2.18pm.Seattle.2018
    Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  plhvt4$11sq$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.21--2.49pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m244 Mad; 12.8 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win7, Aioe.ORG,  Aug 21 {  2:23pm, 2018 }:50^(-5)  Wბɝწ
      Which Hawking are we talking about ?

> > Hawking said black holes don't hide information from us.
> 
> but the information does not get out.  you have to go there to look at it.
> as you approach the surface of a black hole, time approachs 0 so things
> fall to the surface of the black hole and stay stuck there.

A true black hole, an _ ideal black hole,
can't exist because it'd have zero entropy.

No one has ever, nor could ever, _ measure zero entropy,
with _ infinite precision.  
And, if we can't measure it, then it's random, unknown.

From our perspective, here on earth,
an _ infinite amount of time passes before 
a falling object reaches the event horizon.

But, before then, the black hole evaporates, 
and all information is returned to us.
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              Musatov│tomusatov@gmail_com  00bc50da-f61b-4254-8325-f51a035cd9a6@googlegroups.com
            Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  plfrna$1kf5$1@gioia.aioe.org
          Musatov│tomusatov@gmail_com  0e0b31e0-d841-417d-9e4b-0f0bddb68a37@googlegroups.com
        Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  plhbab$1u1b$1@gioia.aioe.org
      Musatov│tomusatov@gmail_com  99a1f522-c324-4b42-b8b7-9fbeb59e7c22@googlegroups.com
    Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  plhhir$a2r$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.21--2.18pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 4  m243 Mad; 3.6 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win7, Aioe.ORG,  Aug 21 { 10:19am, 2018 }:24^(-5)  Wბrɔ
      Which Hawking are we talking about ?

> what "information" is Hawking actually talking about ?

Which Hawking are we talking about ?
He changed his opinion over the years.

In the end, his book and TV series said SuperDeterminism is real,
he said no one can go backwards in time, not even via wormholes,
and he said black holes don't hide information from us.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.20--2.51pm.Seattle.2018
            fir│profesor_fir@gmail_com  f44195da-70fb-446f-8a4e-d0a611aa6a73@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.20--3.09pm.Seattle.2018
        fir│profesor_fir@gmail_com  8f400c44-acbf-41b4-9529-d2a1915f1724@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.20--3.35pm.Seattle.2018
    fir│profesor_fir@gmail_com  038a7734-a7dc-4428-bfa2-35010cf024de@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.20--3.49pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m7 Shifty; 1.4 Minutes, GoogleG, 5.172.255.72,  Aug 20 {  3:41pm, 2018 }: 5^(PDT)  Wაϑп
      Are you drawing to a back buffer, and flipping ?

> It might be slow on 4k, I don't know.

Are you drawing to a back buffer, and flipping ?

You should be the one doing the video,
so you can explain it in _ your own words.

I'm not going to run it, sorry.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.20--2.31pm.Seattle.2018
            fir│profesor_fir@gmail_com  0ca48ccd-e034-4b95-9c0e-85650272b06b@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.20--2.51pm.Seattle.2018
        fir│profesor_fir@gmail_com  f44195da-70fb-446f-8a4e-d0a611aa6a73@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.20--3.09pm.Seattle.2018
    fir│profesor_fir@gmail_com  8f400c44-acbf-41b4-9529-d2a1915f1724@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.20--3.35pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m6 Shifty; 30 Secs, GoogleG, 5.172.255.72,  Aug 20 {  3:24pm, 2018 }:36^(PDT)  Wაωa
      In 4k, full screen ?

Sorry, Fir, I don't have an (easy) way to run it safely.
Perhaps "bartc" could record a video for us.

> it runs smoothly and has interesting behaviour 
> - I'm just wondering if it's physical, hence my post.

In 4k, full screen ?
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            fir│profesor_fir@gmail_com  5d663935-914e-4eb2-8970-ece764a8f403@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.20--2.31pm.Seattle.2018
        fir│profesor_fir@gmail_com  0ca48ccd-e034-4b95-9c0e-85650272b06b@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.20--2.51pm.Seattle.2018
    fir│profesor_fir@gmail_com  f44195da-70fb-446f-8a4e-d0a611aa6a73@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.20--3.09pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m4 Shifty; 1.3 Minutes, GoogleG, 5.172.255.81,  Aug 20 {  3:  pm, 2018 }:50^(PDT)  Wაυo
      You can't hack the hackers.

You (Fir) can't hack the hackers.

None of us are going to run code from a complete stranger, in Poland,
with no source code, nor video.
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          fir│profesor_fir@gmail_com  5d663935-914e-4eb2-8970-ece764a8f403@googlegroups.com
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.20--2.31pm.Seattle.2018
      fir│profesor_fir@gmail_com  0ca48ccd-e034-4b95-9c0e-85650272b06b@googlegroups.com
    fir│profesor_fir@gmail_com  b96383a6-da54-49d9-b69b-0c5571a66d12@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.20--3.01pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m3 Shifty; 10.5 Minutes, GoogleG, 5.172.255.81,  Aug 20 {  2:43pm, 2018 }:48^(PDT)  Wაςɬ
      "Icecream Screen Recorder Pro", 30$.

> as i said i should maybe record some video to youtube 
> but i got no such program/environment 

I'd like to see the video.
I use "Icecream Screen Recorder Pro", 30$.

What do you mean "as i said" ?
You didn't say it here, I don't think.
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        fir│profesor_fir@gmail_com  5d663935-914e-4eb2-8970-ece764a8f403@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.20--2.31pm.Seattle.2018
    fir│profesor_fir@gmail_com  0ca48ccd-e034-4b95-9c0e-85650272b06b@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.20--2.51pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m2 Shifty; 1.9 Minutes, GoogleG, 5.172.255.81,  Aug 20 {  2:40pm, 2018 }:43^(PDT)  WაρЩ
      Can you (Fir) give us a video, showing how your code works ?

Can you (Fir) give us a video, showing how your code works ? 

Are you using DirectX ?
What resolution are you using, 4k ?

I wrote this "mindless" chess game:

  Jeff-Relf.Me/Chess.PNG
  Jeff-Relf.Me/X.ZIP

I can give you a (4k) video, showing how it plays.
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    fir│profesor_fir@gmail_com  5d663935-914e-4eb2-8970-ece764a8f403@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.20--2.31pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m1 Shifty; 1.3 Minutes, GoogleG, 5.172.255.191,  Aug 20 {  1:40pm, 2018 }:16^(PDT)  WაηϾ
      Can I see the source code ?

> (simulation) is it physical ?  c  win32
> minddetonator.htw.pl/collisions6.zip 

Can I see the source code ?
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              .  8190c901-1958-45c0-91dc-70f5a74dcb74@googlegroups.com
            .  ft3ep0F92euU2@mid.individual.net
          .  Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.9--9.29pm.Seattle.2018
        .  e56ecef5-0ede-41eb-8332-4ccc2de88000@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.18--5.41pm.Seattle.2018
    MichaelMoroney  plespe$fiv$3@pcls7.std.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.20--11.48am.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m88 Dropped; 1.5 Hours, nn, TheWorld.COM,  Aug 20 { 10:12am, 2018 }:14  WაʬE
      No one knows why.

> > We can't know how the ShadowBanBot works, it's a secret.
> 
> Maybe if you didn't upload porn (while calling it anatomy 
> or something) the wouldn't do that to you.

That can't be it, I didn't post porn then, 3 days ago.

No one knows why.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.18--5.41pm.Seattle.2018
            SteveCarroll  482bf5dc-0a96-4b50-8f7c-ff9605193bb4@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.19--11.24am.Seattle.2018
        SteveCarroll  115e4e3d-b889-4a57-8e36-ea9e55547fc3@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.19--0.23pm.Seattle.2018
    SteveCarroll  b8370c9d-f7aa-4443-a3d2-fa2a3db4678d@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.20--9.46am.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, News.Software.Readers, Alt.Free.Newsservers
    ╱ 1  m405 Mad; 3.7 Minutes, GoogleG,  Aug 20 {  8:42am, 2018 }:  ^(PDT)  Wაʝ0
      No one can see other people's "Comment History".

> > Google:  YouTube shadow ban
> 
> I thought it was mainly related to people with a high profile.

We can't know how the ShadowBanBot works, it's a secret.

My ban lasted 3 days, people can see my comments now.
Likely, they call this a "Cool Off Period".

None of my comments, made in those 3 days, 
will ever be seen by anyone but me.
Again, it doesn't matter what video I replied to.

Now that the ban has been lifted, my (private) "Comment History" 
shows the replies I made to other people's comments;
still, no one be me can see them.

No one can see other people's "Comment History".

This video:

  "Multi award winning superstar Angela White"
  YouTube.COM/watch?v=P3K4M-2xtFM

only shows 1 of the "3 comments" count;
the other 2 were deleted, one of which was mine.
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              Owl  9z0cvb03ga.iu@rooftop.invalid
            MrDFS  r8NcD.70924$jB1.6606@fx42.iad
          Owl  zb8903ga.bhy@rooftop.invalid
        MrDFS  gpXcD.44582$Xt.16004@fx16.iad
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.15--10.06am.Seattle.2018
    Neodome_Admin│admin@neodome_  pld294$9fi$1@neodome.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.19--10.56pm.Seattle.2018
  News.Software.Readers, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Free.Newsservers
    ╱ 1  m1 Shifty; 4.8 Hours, NewsTap➤iPhone, Neodome.NET,  Aug 19 {  5:33pm, 2018 }:40  Wა5υ
      Removing the "Path:" line makes a post fully anonymous.

In London, Neodome.NET's admin wrote:
> removing [ the "Path:" line ] won't help to improve privacy, 
> because server where article originated from still includes
> some headers that allow everyone to figure out where and when
> article was posted ( X-Abuse, X-Complaints-To, X-Trace, 
> Injection-Info, etc. )

Removing the "Path:" line makes a post fully anonymous.

In Seattle, my stomping grounds, Alt.NET lets you fake AnyAndAll 
lines in the header _ except the "Path:" line.

In America, binary servers blank it ( "Path:  not-for-mail" ),
to protect themselves in their peers from frivolous lawsuits.

In Singapore, "AstraWeb.COM" is more regulated.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.9--9.29pm.Seattle.2018
            SteveCarroll  e56ecef5-0ede-41eb-8332-4ccc2de88000@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.18--5.41pm.Seattle.2018
        SteveCarroll  482bf5dc-0a96-4b50-8f7c-ff9605193bb4@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.19--11.24am.Seattle.2018
    SteveCarroll  115e4e3d-b889-4a57-8e36-ea9e55547fc3@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.19--0.23pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 2  m400 Mad; 52.7 Minutes, GoogleG,  Aug 19 { 11:29am, 2018 }:11^(PDT)  Wяох
      YouTube shadow ban.

> > A bot has blocked my comments ( to other people's videos ),
> > so no one but me can see them.  I've been ShadowBanned.
> > 
> > Any and all videos I comment on;
> > it doesn't matter which video.
> 
> Hmm... that *is* weird.

Not at all, it happens to a lot of people.
Google:  YouTube shadow ban  
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              FabianRussell  8190c901-1958-45c0-91dc-70f5a74dcb74@googlegroups.com
            ScottDoty  ft3ep0F92euU2@mid.individual.net
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.9--9.29pm.Seattle.2018
        SteveCarroll  e56ecef5-0ede-41eb-8332-4ccc2de88000@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.18--5.41pm.Seattle.2018
    SteveCarroll  482bf5dc-0a96-4b50-8f7c-ff9605193bb4@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.19--11.24am.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m404 Mad; 15 Secs, GoogleG,  Aug 19 { 11:22am, 2018 }:42^(PDT)  WянШ
      I've been ShadowBanned.

> > A bot has blocked my comments ( to other people's videos ),
> > so no one but me can see them.  I've been ShadowBanned.
> 
> I doubt it has anything to do with you. What was in the video?

Any and all videos I comment on;
it doesn't matter which video. 
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.17--9.53pm.Seattle.2018
            .  pl8ggk$nh5$2@dont-email.me
          .  pl95i4$afh$2@gioia.aioe.org
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.18--6.31am.Seattle.2018
      Your_Friendly_Neighbourhood_  A5udnejHZ9fhr-XGnZ2dnUU7-LvNnZ2d@giganews.com
    Avenging_Angel│Not_fucking_  XnsA943661B4A278greyghost471bazinga@85.214.115.223
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.19--9.38am.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 1  m1 Shifty; 1.9 Hours, Xnews, Eternal-September.ORG,  Aug 19 {  7: 2am, 2018 }:15  WяВʇ
      Maria Gabriela Chavez is evil ?

> > Why do you [ Jeff Relf ] call venezuela communist/socialist/marxist
> > when it isn't ? 
> 
> You fucktard, they've been calling themselves socialist for 20 years. 

Quoting PowerLineBlog.COM:

  Hugo Chavez, deceased President of Venezuela,
  is still revered on the international left. 

  Chavez was a vicious socialist:  The rich are evil ! 
  The rich are lazy !  Confiscate their money !

  Now we know what he did with it. 

  Diario las Americas, as translated and 
  reported by the Daily Mail, says that Chavez’s 
  daughter Maria Gabriela Chavez has stashed away a 
  cool $4 billion.  
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              .  pl8ggk$nh5$2@dont-email.me
            .  pl95i4$afh$2@gioia.aioe.org
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.18--6.31am.Seattle.2018
        Your_Friendly_Neighbourhood_  A5udnejHZ9fhr-XGnZ2dnUU7-LvNnZ2d@giganews.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.18--5.27pm.Seattle.2018
    BotBoy  fts7i7Ft5g0U3@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.18--9.26pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 8  m888 Mad; 23.8 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Mac, Individual.NET,  Aug 18 {  8:47pm, 2018 }:19^(-7)  Wяʝэ
      Opiates, injecting, thievery ?

"BotBoy" (Mike) replied:
> > Japan and Singapore don't have thieving junkies, no opiate problem.
> > Here, in Seattle, people are injecting garbage into their veins,
> > permanently destroying their brains -- they live on, as zombies.
> 
> Japan has a significant drug problem:
> japantimes.co.jp/life/2014/08/23/lifestyle/dealing-addiction-japans-drug-problem/#.W3joFi3MxTY

Opiates, injecting, thievery ?
You didn't read the article, you lazy ass.
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              .  pl8ggk$nh5$2@dont-email.me
            .  pl95i4$afh$2@gioia.aioe.org
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.18--6.31am.Seattle.2018
        Your_Friendly_Neighbourhood_  A5udnejHZ9fhr-XGnZ2dnUU7-LvNnZ2d@giganews.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.18--5.27pm.Seattle.2018
    Your_Friendly_Neighbourhood_  8NudnZVfD-wlIuXGnZ2dnUU7-QfNnZ2d@giganews.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.18--6.32pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 1  m17 Dropped; 18.8 Minutes, 2550_25!_LOL!_https:∥www_, Giganews.COM,  Aug 18 {  5:54pm, 2018 }:16^(-5)  WяʁG
      Drunk living.

"You" (someone) replied:
> > Which NonWhite, NonNordic countries are progressing
> > as (ignorant) Marx imagined ?   Just answer.
> 
> all of them are progressing away from, and toward [randomness]
> exactly as marx predicted.

Random.  Marx got it wrong.

We call ourselves "consumers" and the GDP measures our progress.
We're "robot aliens" ( consumption machines ), exploiting a niche,
(poorly) programmed by nature to take a LessBad "option".

> > Building trains to nowhere is just what governments do;
> > they have the money, so they spend it, ignoring the people. 
> 
> How would you fix it, genocide ?

I can't fix it.  Understanding it is the best I can do.

Drunk driving used to be thee issue, now it's drunk living.
You need a license to drive, but not to live and breed.

The hotter it is, the faster things breed, including humans. 
Norway has 5 million people, Asia has billions.

The wealth and intelligence of a nation is reflected
in its birth rate -- from Singapore (.83/woman) and Macau, 
at the top, to Niger (6.49/woman) and Angola at the bottom.
  Jeff-Relf.Me/Global.Fertility.Rates.1970.2014.PNG
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              FabianRussell  74df8ffc-65a4-4e84-abe9-324a7b1b37f9@googlegroups.com
            MrChrisV  b9eomdl65hogj64m2husjv94dc5ldo9tlu@4ax.com
          FabianRussell  8190c901-1958-45c0-91dc-70f5a74dcb74@googlegroups.com
        ScottDoty  ft3ep0F92euU2@mid.individual.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.9--9.29pm.Seattle.2018
    SteveCarroll  e56ecef5-0ede-41eb-8332-4ccc2de88000@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.18--5.41pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, News.Software.Readers, Alt.Free.Newsservers
    ╱ 11  m415 Mad; 6.5 Hours, GoogleG,  Aug 18 { 10:57am, 2018 }: 8^(PDT)  WяxΝ
      I've been ShadowBanned.

> > My Recent code changes, Not safe for work:
> >   YouTube.COM/watch?v=uAmNBkEJJZY
> 
> I guess not!  " Video unavailable.
>   This video has been removed for 
>   violating YouTube's Terms of Service. "

A bot deleted it minutes after I uploaded it.
Another bot has blocked my comments ( to other people's videos ),
so no one but me can see them.  I've been ShadowBanned.

All of my comments are automatically sent to the creator's junk folder.

TV works the same way, no one can say "fuck", or show a vagina.
Jeff-Relf.Me/Urethral.Opening.JPG

Courts and judges work the same way, very robotic;
"jury nullification" would work but, if you know about it,
you're not allowed on a jury -- and you'd be punished if you lied about it.

Bottom line: be sneaky.
Bots are _ incredibly stupid, they can be circumvented.
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              Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  pl8391$nh5$1@dont-email.me
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.17--9.53pm.Seattle.2018
          Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  pl8ggk$nh5$2@dont-email.me
        BenJacoby  pl95i4$afh$2@gioia.aioe.org
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.18--6.31am.Seattle.2018
    Your_Friendly_Neighbourhood_  A5udnejHZ9fhr-XGnZ2dnUU7-LvNnZ2d@giganews.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.18--5.27pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 1  m18 Dropped; 9 Hours, 2550_25!_LOL!_https:∥www_, Giganews.COM,  Aug 18 {  7:51am, 2018 }:40^(-5)  WяSυ
      Drunk living.

"You" (someone) replied:
> > Month after month, I ask Nadegda and "kensi" [sic]:
> > 
> >  Which NonWhite, NonNordic countries are progressing
> >  as (ignorant) Marx imagined ?
> 
> sounds like a racist loaded question to me.

Just answer it.

> perhaps the question is loaded.  for instance:
> 
> why don't racist people like you care about all
> the _ poor _ White _ people that your racism affects?

You think I won't, or can't, answer your simple question ?

Japan and Singapore don't have thieving junkies, no opiate problem.
Here, in Seattle, people are injecting garbage into their veins,
permanently destroying their brains -- they live on, as zombies.

Drunk driving used to be thee issue, now it's drunk living.
You need a license to drive, but not to live and breed.

The hotter it is, the faster things breed, including humans. 
Norway has 5 million people, Asia has billions.

The wealth and intelligence of a nation is reflected
in its birth rate -- from Singapore (.83/woman) and Macau, 
at the top, to Niger (6.49/woman) and Angola at the bottom.
    Jeff-Relf.Me/Global.Fertility.Rates.1970.2014.PNG

> >   Venezuela isn't a worker's paradise.
> 
> then it's not really controlled by the proletariat, and therefore:
> not communist/socialist (or marxist, as you have idiotically put it.)
> so why do you call venezuela communist/socialist/marxist when it isn't?

Which NonWhite, NonNordic countries are progressing
as (ignorant) Marx imagined ?   Just answer.

Building trains to nowhere is just what governments do;
they have the money, so they spend it, ignoring the people. 
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              Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  pl7dkb$7kf$81@dont-email.me
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.17--3.47pm.Seattle.2018
          Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  pl8391$nh5$1@dont-email.me
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.17--9.53pm.Seattle.2018
      Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  pl8ggk$nh5$2@dont-email.me
    BenJacoby  pl95i4$afh$2@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.18--6.31am.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 1  m405 Dropped; 11.5 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Aioe.ORG,  Aug 18 {  6: 5am, 2018 }: 8^(-4)  WяAт
      Venezuela isn't a worker's paradise.

Ben Jacoby told Nadegda: 
> > Do your own fucking homework, kooky.
> 
> Oh my, you've lost again.  Smackdown!  <snicker>

Month after month, I ask Nadegda and "kensi" [sic]:

  Which NonWhite, NonNordic countries are progressing
  as (ignorant) Marx imagined.

The answer must be _ quite difficult because they 
snip the question and/or tell me to do my own research.

So I Google it; as it turns out:

  Venezuela isn't a worker's paradise.
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              Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  pl20j4$7kf$54@dont-email.me
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.15--4.37pm.Seattle.2018
          Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  2hubndhkhuk22dt58jp4umi5g9koucnhjj@4ax.com
        Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  pl7dkb$7kf$81@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.17--3.47pm.Seattle.2018
    Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  pl8391$nh5$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.17--9.53pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 1  m66 Dropped; 1.4 Hours, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Aug 17 {  8:20pm, 2018 }: 1  WюПɹ
      Show me the science.  Marxist Venezuela.

> > Karl Marx was clueless about NonWhite, NonNordic countries.
> 
> Racism noted. Your implication that there are intrinsic differences 
> between brown people and white people that make the former incapable of 
> civilization is incorrect and has been repeatedly refuted by actual 
> scientists.

Show me the science. 
I want to know which NonWhite, NonNordic countries
are progressing as (ignorant) Marx imagined.

Despite having the largest oil reserves, Marxist Venezuela 
makes everyone wait in line for 6 hours at the gas pump.

_ You are the only overt racist here, Nadegda.
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.17--9.42pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, News.Software.Readers, Alt.Free.Newsservers
      Bots are _ incredibly stupid, they can be circumvented.

A YouTube bot "Ghost Banned" me for cutting and pasting the same thing.
No human was involved, I'm quite sure.

TV works the same way, no one can say "fuck", or show a vagina.
Jeff-Relf.Me/Urethral.Opening.JPG

Courts and judges work the same way, very robotic;
"jury nullification" would work but, if you know about it,
you're not allowed on a jury -- and you'd be punished if you lied about it.

Bottom line: be sneaky.
Bots are _ incredibly stupid, they can be circumvented.
■
              Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  opk8nd126lkmavpbum3ehhf69sgapk6cd3@4ax.com
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.15--11.57am.Seattle.2018
          Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  pl20j4$7kf$54@dont-email.me
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.15--4.37pm.Seattle.2018
      Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  2hubndhkhuk22dt58jp4umi5g9koucnhjj@4ax.com
    Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  pl7dkb$7kf$81@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.17--3.47pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 1  m65 Dropped; 56.7 Minutes, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Aug 17 {  2:10pm, 2018 }:35  WюμС
      Please move to Venezuela.

You (Nadegda) wrote:
> > > _ PLEASE _ give me an example of where Karl Marx correctly
> > > described a NonWhite, NonNordic country.
> > >
> > > Perhaps Venezuela which, despite having the largest oil reserves,
> > > makes everyone wait in line for 6 hours at the gas pump ?
>  
> Victim of American currency manipulation.
> Could have been worse.  At least corporate America and its lackeys 
> didn't inflict a Pinochet on them like they did Chile back in the day.

Please move to Venezuela where you can fight the good fight.
Sure, you might starve to death, or get murdered, or kidnapped,
but at least you'll die knowing you fought for Marx's uninformed ideals.

Karl Marx was clueless about NonWhite, NonNordic countries.
Building trains to nowhere is just what governments do;
they have the money, so they spend it, no matter what the people want. 

Japan and Singapore don't have thieving junkies, no opiate problem.
Here, in Seattle, people are injecting garbage into their veins,
permanently destroying their brains -- they live on, as zombies.

Reckless driving used to be thee issue, now it's reckless living.
Mostly, you need a license to drive, but not to live and breed.
The hotter it is, the faster things breed, including humans. 

Norway has 5 million people, Asia has billions.

And, no, this has nothing to do with _ your overt racism.

The wealth and intelligence of a nation is reflected
in its birth rate -- from Singapore (.83/woman) and Macau, 
at the top, to Niger (6.49/woman) and Angola at the bottom.
  Jeff-Relf.Me/Global.Fertility.Rates.1970.2014.PNG

We call ourselves "consumers" and the GDP measures our progress.
We're "robot aliens" ( consumption machines ), exploiting a niche,
(poorly) programmed by nature to take the LessBad "option".
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            kensi│kkensington01@gmail_  pkuthp$o3o$1@gioia.aioe.org
          Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  opk8nd126lkmavpbum3ehhf69sgapk6cd3@4ax.com
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.15--11.57am.Seattle.2018
      Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  pl20j4$7kf$54@dont-email.me
    kensi│kkensington01@gmail_  pl4c7p$ve1$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.16--7.11pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 6  m99 Cool; 6 Hours, NewsTap➤iPad, Aioe.ORG,  Aug 16 { 10:28am, 2018 }:21^(-4)  WэдГ
      Japan and Singapore don't have thieving junkies, no opiate problem.

I (continually) ask "kensi" [sic]:

  _ PLEASE _ give me an example of where Karl Marx 
  correctly described a NonWhite, NonNordic country.  

  Perhaps Venezuela which, despite having the world's largest oil reserves,
  makes everyone wait in line for 6 hours at the gas pump ?    

And she replied:
> Any group of humans can create a Nordic type of social democracy, 
> given the will to do so and some time.

Wrong.  Karl Marx was clueless about NonWhite, NonNordic countries.
Building trains to nowhere is just what governments do;
they have the money, so they spend it, no matter what the people want. 

Japan and Singapore don't have thieving junkies, no opiate problem.
Here, in Seattle, people are injecting garbage into their veins,
permanently destroying their brains -- they live on, as zombies.

We're rich, Vancouver and Seattle; food and rent are basically free.
We get MoneyForNothing, like rock stars.

In this world, entertainment comes first and foremost.
It starts with prescription drugs, 
" I can't go on stage without a little help ", then gets out of hand.

Reckless driving used to be thee issue, now it's reckless living.
Mostly, you need a license to drive, but not to live and breed.
The hotter it is the faster things breed, including humans. 

Norway has 5 million people, Asia has billions.

The wealth and intelligence of a nation is reflected
in its birth rate -- from Singapore (.83/woman) and Macau, 
at the top, to Niger (6.49/woman) and Angola at the bottom.
  Jeff-Relf.Me/Global.Fertility.Rates.1970.2014.PNG

We call ourselves "consumers" and the GDP measures our progress.
We're "robot aliens" ( consumption machines ), exploiting a niche,
(poorly) programmed by nature to take the LessBad "option".
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              .  f3j5nd52f8icm7iarh0k6md5shj1a6gpml@4ax.com
            .  20b81406-f640-4966-8bbc-38f99420b188@googlegroups.com
          .  5363fae0-1c43-45ba-8217-a1836a3f77ee@googlegroups.com
        .  3c613186-09d9-4038-8f20-419ed28d593f@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.14--4.54pm.Seattle.2018
    MrAA  01161558-6ede-4322-bf53-96789eeebbe5@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.16--4.59pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╳ 8  m121 Top; 2.2 Hours, GoogleG, 205.153.48.25,  Aug 16 {  2:15pm, 2018 }:59^(PDT)  Wэლϟ
      Entertainment comes first and foremost.

> > A certain percentage of the population will always have mental issues;
> > there's nothing we can do about it, it's just going to happen.
> 
> That's right.

We're rich, Portland and Seattle; food and rent are basically free.
We get MoneyForNothing, like rock stars.

In this world, entertainment comes first and foremost.

It starts with prescription drugs, 
" I can't go on stage without a little help ",
then it gets out of hand.
■
          kensi│kkensington01@gmail_  pkuthp$o3o$1@gioia.aioe.org
        Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  opk8nd126lkmavpbum3ehhf69sgapk6cd3@4ax.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.15--11.57am.Seattle.2018
    Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  pl20j4$7kf$54@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.15--4.37pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    -Dropped, 1.3 Hours, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Aug 15 {   :57pm, 2018 }:25  Wэɍζ
      _ PLEASE _ give me an example.

> > I keep asking "kensi" [sic] if Marxism only works in White,
> > Nordic countries; she never replies.
> 
> Probably because the question's ridiculous on its face.

Thank you for your (brave) response;
I appreciate it, no matter how late (months).

Now, _ PLEASE _ give me an example of where 
Karl Marx correctly described a NonWhite, NonNordic country.  

Perhaps Venezuela which, despite having the world's largest oil reserves,
makes everyone wait in line for 6 hours at the gas pump ?    
■
              Owl  pszb03a3g9o3l.3@rooftop.invalid
            MrChrisV  nqlrmd554njc4sppq3n9di7iu0ioui46sa@4ax.com
          MrChrisV  f3j5nd52f8icm7iarh0k6md5shj1a6gpml@4ax.com
        SteveCarroll  20b81406-f640-4966-8bbc-38f99420b188@googlegroups.com
      HughHuntzinger  5363fae0-1c43-45ba-8217-a1836a3f77ee@googlegroups.com
    SteveCarroll  3c613186-09d9-4038-8f20-419ed28d593f@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.14--4.54pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 5  m419 Mad; 3.5 Hours, GoogleG,  Aug 14 {   :25pm, 2018 }:46^(PDT)  WьΤɪ
      People who overdosed on drugs, and died.

  I know people who overdosed on drugs, and died.
  They were (mostly) young, _ very good looking ( all of them ), popular,
  with _ plenty of MoneyForNothing _ like rock stars.
■
  The hotter it is the faster things breed, including humans;
  Norway has only 5 million people, India has billions. 

  The wealth and intelligence of a nation is reflected
  in its birth rate -- from Singapore (.83/woman) and Macau, 
  at the top, to Niger (6.49/woman) and Angola at the bottom.
    Jeff-Relf.Me/Global.Fertility.Rates.1970.2014.PNG

  We call ourselves "consumers" and the GDP measures our progress.
  We're "robot aliens" ( consumption machines ), exploiting a niche,
  (poorly) programmed by nature to take the LessBad "option".
■
      kensi│kkensington01@gmail_  pkuthp$o3o$1@gioia.aioe.org
    Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  opk8nd126lkmavpbum3ehhf69sgapk6cd3@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.15--11.57am.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 3  m13 Cool; 36.5 Minutes, F_Agent, Alt.NET,  Aug 15 { 11: 1am, 2018 }: 8^(-4)  WэyȺ
      Marxism only works in White, Nordic countries ?

"kensi" [sic] claims to be doing her part for the environment,
yet she regularly jets from New York City to Hawaii and back;
TaxPayerFunded, of course.

I keep asking her if Marxism only works in White, Nordic countries;
she never replies.
■
              SteveCarroll  202586b1-bd26-4d4a-86e7-c65da9b5b54a@googlegroups.com
            MrDFS  yzLbD.29031$QC.13641@fx27.iad
          Owl  9z0cvb03ga.iu@rooftop.invalid
        MrDFS  r8NcD.70924$jB1.6606@fx42.iad
      Owl  zb8903ga.bhy@rooftop.invalid
    MrDFS  gpXcD.44582$Xt.16004@fx16.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.15--10.06am.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, News.Software.Readers, Alt.Free.Newsservers
    ╱ 2  m43 Top; 1.1 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win8.1, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Aug 15 {  8:13am, 2018 }:22^(-4)  WэWɒ
      I keep a list of the 9 most recent recent MessageIDs.

On Usenet, I don't use ArticleNumbers at all;
instead, I keep a list of the 9 most recent recent MessageIDs.

When switching servers, I check to see if the MessageIDs match, in order;
if they don't, I note the difference and manually adjust.

I seldom switch servers but, when I do,
I see cancelled, delayed and dropped posts,
which tells me a lot about the server and its policies.

"AstraWeb.COM", in Singapore, aren't concerned about your privacy,
and they censor you; so they preserve ArticleNumbers and the "Path:" line.
They're only 7 years deep.
■
            AndrzejMatuch  EJzcD.16389$%c7.12942@fx17.iad
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.14--6.34am.Seattle.2018
        SteveCarroll  4ca7d974-6a8c-4320-b49d-ca9e2e1c55ca@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.14--5.16pm.Seattle.2018
    SteveCarroll  2a9fc866-11d9-4fea-85b2-562e59612460@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.14--6.44pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 3  m422 Mad; 3 Minutes, GoogleG,  Aug 14 {  6:29pm, 2018 }: 8^(PDT)  Wьϼт
      They don't know who did it.

> > I read somewhere that they were just taking names, and contacting parents,
> > not arresting them ( the kids ).
> 
> Well, at least 2 were apparently arrested.
> Why wouldn't they arrest, given the seriousness of this?

Because they don't know who did it.

Washington Post, 13 hours ago:

  Sweden’s news agency TT said witnesses had seen 
  “ masked youngsters ” running away.    

  Several youths that police met at the scene have been identified.    

  “ We have spoken with them but we cannot conclude they 
    started the fires.  We also have spoken with their parents, ” 

  Fuxborg said, adding police were in the 
  early stages of the investigation.    
■
    HerbertGlazier  0ee8fc0e-d20a-455f-820d-49e0027b83d1@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.14--6.04pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 6  m361 Top; 5.5 Hours, GoogleG, 74.118.32.5,  Aug 14 {   :13pm, 2018 }:46^(PDT)  WьΡɪ
      Always, some group will have "power and glory".

Always, some group will have "power and glory".
Civil Servants (left) and the military (right) share power;
so they're richer/larger/stronger than "capitalists".

Pride is one of "the seven deadly sins", yet we can't function without it.
Lies are fine, so long as they help us consume more, longer.
We're ten times more retarded than we can imagine.
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          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.12--1.33am.Seattle.2018
        MrAA  5c3bb2d2-c68d-45f8-9026-86a25233ff3d@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.13--3.24pm.Seattle.2018
    MrAA  281ad04c-c9f2-45d0-9d96-303008a92d88@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.14--5.37pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics
    +Top, 1.7 Hours, GoogleG, 205.153.48.25,  Aug 14 {  2:10pm, 2018 }: 6^(PDT)  Wьμϴ
      I need to eat more greens.

MrAA wrote:
> I don't get headaches anymore, and rarely an upset stomach.
> I think mind over matter has a lot to do with it.

I need to eat more greens, I think.
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        AndrzejMatuch  EJzcD.16389$%c7.12942@fx17.iad
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.14--6.34am.Seattle.2018
    SteveCarroll  4ca7d974-6a8c-4320-b49d-ca9e2e1c55ca@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.14--5.16pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 10  m419 Mad; 6.4 Hours, GoogleG,  Aug 14 {  9:34am, 2018 }:35^(PDT)  WьʥС
      Vandals.

> > They were underaged Swedes, school kids, burning off some steam, 
> 
> " Two men, 16 and 21 years old, were arrested on Tuesday and police 
>   said it expected to make more arrests during the day. "
> 
> What info did either of you uncover that pointed to who it is when you posted?

I read somewhere that they were just taking names, and contacting parents,
not arresting them ( the kids ).

New York Times, Jan. 1, 2015:

  [France's] Interior Ministry said Thursday that 940 cars 
  were set on fire by vandals on New Year’s Eve, 
  fewer than the 1,067 set aflame the previous year.
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    AndrzejMatuch  EJzcD.16389$%c7.12942@fx17.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.14--6.34am.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╳ m481 Mad; 1.2 Hours, Pan, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Aug 14 {  5:15am, 2018 }:32  Wьɺν
      Underaged Swedes, school kids, burning off some steam.

> Muslims unleash coordinated fire-bombing across multiple Swedish cities

They were underaged Swedes, school kids, burning off some steam, Not Muslims.
Likely, it was coordinated on the Internet.
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      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.12--1.33am.Seattle.2018
    MrAA  5c3bb2d2-c68d-45f8-9026-86a25233ff3d@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.13--3.24pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 5  m120 Top; 60 Minutes, GoogleG, 205.153.48.25,  Aug 13 {  1:33pm, 2018 }:50^(PDT)  Wыდϖ
      Pink Bismuth reduces inflammation, like aspirin.

> > Bismuth Subsalicylate calms my bowels ( and my soul ).
> 
> Those antacids will keep you from digesting calcium
> and your bones will shrink!

Calcium digestion ? ! You sound like Kim, sometimes.  
Wikipedia doesn't mention the calcium problem. 

Pink Bismuth is a weak antacid, and it kills bacteria; 
but, mainly, it reduces inflammation, like aspirin.

It gives me a headache, so I rarely use it.
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      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.12--1.33am.Seattle.2018
    Earle_Jones│earle_jones  2018081311325721706-earlejones@comcastnet
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.13--2.38pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m6 Cool; 3 Hours, UnisonMacBin, Giganews.COM,  Aug 13 { 11:32am, 2018 }:57^(-7)  WыпΒ
      The Bismuth was a bad idea, it gave me a headache.

> > Bismuth Subsalicylate calms my bowels ( and my soul ).
> 
> Bombay Sapphire with just a touch of Dolin Vermouth solves all the problems.
> Try it; you'll like it.

I'm not a fan of coffee or alcohol.
The Bismuth was a bad idea, it gave me a headache.
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      kensi│kkensington01@gmail_  pkpg2j$agf$1@gioia.aioe.org
    Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  2lc1ndpn2jbhpgm3lrjv8695qj7256natq@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.13--10.46am.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Talk.Politics.Guns, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m6 Cool; 24.2 Minutes, F_Agent, Alt.NET,  Aug 13 { 10:11am, 2018 }:56^(-4)  Wыбჲ
      Greg wants to rape kensi ?!

Greg wrote:
> [ You (kensi) are an idiot ]  But, in the meantime, 
> grapple THIS < the sound of a zipper opening >

You want to rape her ?! 
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          mitchrae3323@gmail_com  363fbb61-ff3d-4381-89de-22a3205b57ba@googlegroups.com
        Odd_Bodkin│bodkinodd@gmail_com  pks0l8$77m$2@gioia.aioe.org
      JohnSefton  1e3d11a4-f058-4ac5-a722-778383b600b2@googlegroups.com
    Odd_Bodkin│bodkinodd@gmail_com  pks74o$ik2$3@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.13--10.30am.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 2  m200 Mad; 1.4 Hours, NewsTap➤iPhone, Aioe.ORG,  Aug 13 {  8:12am, 2018 }:24  WыОO
      Two Trillion times the sun's output.

2016, NASA's Fermi Gamma-ray Space Telescope found 
the brightest objects known to man: gamma-ray blazars,
Two Trillion times the sun's output.

They're young, of course, just 1.4 billion year old, 
multi-billion-solar-mass black holes, in "Active Galactic Nuclei".

Like The Known Universe itself, blazars had more exergy,
less entropy, when they were younger. 

At the start, there was "no entropy" ("no time, no space"), just "eXergy" 
( a type of energy that can do physical work, force * distance ).

Everything decays, even gravity; hence the arrow of time.
Entropy converts blazars into SpaceTime.  Gravity is residual eXergy.

Eventually, this eXergy will be consumed away, replaced with entropy,
leaving us with a uniform heat bath that has all of the energy
but none of the eXergy.  

Einstein's Cosmological Constant ( 1.11 * 10^−52 / Meters^2 ) tells us 
that outer space is growing EXPONENTIALLY, gravity is dying off;
-- i.e. the "Heat Death" predicted by Lord Kelvin, 1852,
   is the most likley outcome.
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              .  dr6tkdlvvv752t3r8e4vgo35sncd3d9shg@4ax.com
            .  fr7stfFrghfU4@mid.individual.net
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.12--8.38pm.Seattle.2018
        BotBoy  ftcd4nF9u9mU2@mid.individual.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.12--9.11pm.Seattle.2018
    ScottDoty  ftclbdFbj4lU1@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.12--11.49pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 1  m33 Top; 18.8 Minutes, Pan, Individual.NET,  Aug 12 { 11: 4pm, 2018 }:29  WыΕЛ
      Born and Einstein debated for 39 years, 1916-1955.

Scott Doty told me:
> your argument is often less likely to be heard if you repeat 
> it over and over again, as people will tend to put you in 
> their kill files.

I welcome your rebuttals, if you have any;
if not, I'm fine with that.

Born and Einstein debated for 39 years, 1916-1955.

Besides, I replied to several people on Usenet, today,
who hadn't heard what I have to say.
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              .  pim11n$1uns$1@gioia.aioe.org
            .  fr7h30FplgrU1@mid.individual.net
          .  dr6tkdlvvv752t3r8e4vgo35sncd3d9shg@4ax.com
        .  fr7stfFrghfU4@mid.individual.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.12--8.38pm.Seattle.2018
    BotBoy  ftcd4nF9u9mU2@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.12--9.11pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 1  m923 Mad; 13.4 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Mac, Individual.NET,  Aug 12 {  8:44pm, 2018 }:23^(-7)  Wыʝʏ
      Free Beer.

> > Hitler was far left ( united with the 
> > "Money for nothing" civil servants )
> 
> Nope. He was a nationalist who was against equal rights...
> that is about as conservative as you can get.

Nazi rallies were often held in beer halls, 
where downtrodden men could get free beer.  

Free Beer.

To this day, his "Racist Communism" remains popular.

Does Marxism only work in white Norway, not brown India ?

Civil Servants (left) and the military (right) share power;
so they're always richer/larger/stronger than "capitalists".
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            kensi│kkensington01@gmail_  pil9n9$r9l$1@gioia.aioe.org
          BenJacoby  pim11n$1uns$1@gioia.aioe.org
        BotBoy  fr7h30FplgrU1@mid.individual.net
      Klaus_Schadenfreude│  dr6tkdlvvv752t3r8e4vgo35sncd3d9shg@4ax.com
    BotBoy  fr7stfFrghfU4@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.12--8.38pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 12  m19 Cool; 3.7 Weeks, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Mac, Individual.NET,  Jul 17 {  9:10pm, 2018 }:23^(-7)  WкfЕ
      Does Marxism only work in white Norway, not brown India ?

> One can want business to do well without 
> looking to socialize their costs and risks.

The "left versus right" thing is a red herring.

Hitler was far left ( united with the "Money for nothing" civil servants ),
and far right ( united with the racist army ) at the same time.
To this day, his "Racist Communism" remains popular.

Does Marxism only work in white Norway, not brown India ?
Civil Servants (left) and the military (right) share power;
so they're always richer/larger/stronger than "capitalists".

Like Hitler, China and North Korea are authoritarian, not communist.
Governments are _not_ ( N O T ) smarter than the market, no one is.
Governments gave us billion dollar trains to nowhere.

They're racing to spend all the money, far into the future,
leaving us with no stake in the game. 
No chance to win, No chance to lose.
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        AbhinavLal  c75c3dd1-1967-4f70-aeee-7ca92b4495fc@googlegroups.com
      Odd_Bodkin│bodkinodd@gmail_com  pk9dtt$ru2$1@gioia.aioe.org
    AbhinavLal  162498b2-e163-4ff3-a9d3-4f4b778da9d3@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.12--5.11pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 7  m31 Cool; 6.4 Days, GoogleG, 122.162.159.121,  Aug  6 {  7:34am, 2018 }:56^(PDT)  WчPж
      The uncaused cause.

> > > Wave particle duality is considered by some to be a contradiction.
> > 
> > Not among the knowledgeable. 
> 
> According to Albert Einstein ,
> "We have two contradictory pictures of reality..."
> 
> > The purpose of physics is to understand nature, not so much us.
> > That’s a different set of fields. 

Once the cards are all dealt, and the dice stop rolling,
and the bets are paid out, the probability wave has collapsed.

Correlation does not imply causation.

The biggest "loophole" in Bell's Theorem is:

  It implies _perfect_ knowledge;
  yet it's an _Ensemble_ of tests, a series, not just one test,
  like a pollster, asking _ 5 people if they'll vote for Hillary or not.

You can't prove anything, not ThermoDynamics ( Entropy and eXergy ),
nor General Relativity; in fact, they _contradict_ each other.

The best you can do is:

  - Find it useful ( in its domain ).
  - Try to Falsify it ( in its domain ).

All of history, every lesson ever, every advance, tells me:

  Randomness is ignorance, nothing more.

Everyone, from the serial killer to his executer, slave and master,
are best viewed under this light (SuperDeterminism), instead of 
assuming "free will" ("the uncaused cause"), à la Christianity.

SuperDeterminism was useful to Einstein, and to me;
it is _not_ useful to The Pope.
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    AbhinavLal  c75c3dd1-1967-4f70-aeee-7ca92b4495fc@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.12--4.53pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 9  m31 Cool; 6.5 Days, GoogleG, 122.162.159.121,  Aug  6 {  4:44am, 2018 }:16^(PDT)  Wцჳʈ
      We're ten times more retarded than we can imagine.

> We don't know what we don't know
> "The more I know, the less I know"

Pride is one of "the seven deadly sins", yet we can't function without it.
Lies are fine, so long as they help us consume more, longer.
We're ten times more retarded than we can imagine.
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              AbhinavLal  62b821dd-063e-4839-bf30-73c60ab86b9e@googlegroups.com
            Alan_Folmsbee│omnilobe@gmail_  e5159211-8b86-4957-90b8-2462c9bddd8d@googlegroups.com
          HerbertGlazier  20eadce3-2723-41a4-97fc-8b614585a8ac@googlegroups.com
        jimp@specsol_spam_sux_com  815a2f-8bn.ln1@mail.specsol.com
      Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  pj5ru4$1vna$1@gioia.aioe.org
    AbhinavLal  edcd7957-09e4-4e2f-b989-696da3136505@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.12--4.37pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 14  m31 Cool; 2.8 Weeks, GoogleG, 122.162.237.206,  Jul 24 {  6:22am, 2018 }:42^(PDT)  WоʅШ
      The wealth and intelligence of a nation.

Abhinav Lal wrote:
> It seems that most Indians are not interested in science.

The hotter it is the faster things breed, including humans;
Norway has only 5 million people, India has billions. 

The wealth and intelligence of a nation is reflected
in its birth rate -- from Singapore (.83/woman) and Macau, 
at the top, to Niger (6.49/woman) and Angola at the bottom.
  Jeff-Relf.Me/Global.Fertility.Rates.1970.2014.PNG

We call ourselves "consumers" and the GDP measures our progress.
We're "robot aliens" ( consumption machines ), exploiting a niche,
(poorly) programmed by nature to take the LessBad "option".
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              Thomas_Heger│ttt_heg@web_de  froak3FfmlvU1@mid.individual.net
            Chris_M_Thomasson│invalid_  pj8e4h$i8c$1@dont-email.me
          Thomas_Heger│ttt_heg@web_de  frs519Fc63sU1@mid.individual.net
        Chris_M_Thomasson│invalid_  pjbrbh$u2r$1@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.12--3.59pm.Seattle.2018
    Chris_M_Thomasson│invalid_  pkqf25$d09$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.12--4.30pm.Seattle.2018
  Rec.Arts.SF.Written, Sci.Physics, Sci.Physics.Relativity, Alt.Astronomy
    ╱ 1  m46 Cool; 1.7 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Aug 12 {  4:15pm, 2018 }:14^(-7)  WыɰΤ
      Entropy converts black holes into SpaceTime.

Chris asked:
> Where did the first black hole originate from? 

Exergy is always diminishing ( i.e. entropy is increasing );
whether we think it's a lot or a little is a matter of opinion.

> Was there ever a true beginning, or first hyper massive 
> star that went ultra, hyper nova? 

There's a beginning, and an edge, to "The Known Universe";
outside of that is "the random universe", 
where anything can happen.

> If so, what the heck created it, and what created the 
> intelligence of the thing that created in the first place?

Intrinsically, nothing is random.
Randomness is just ignorance, nothing more, nothing less.

The 4 dimensional TimeScape is static, immutable, eternal;
it is, at once, everything _ and nothing.

We call ourselves "consumers" and the GDP measures our progress.
We're "robot aliens" ( consumption machines ), exploiting a niche,
(poorly) programmed by nature to take the LessBad "option".

> Was GOD every truly alone? Argh!

Mother Nature is God; she is everything and nothing.
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              Thomas_PointedEars_Lahn│  2c4e096f-096b-51e5-690c-039b1b01dbbe@PointedEars.de
            Chris_M_Thomasson│invalid_  pj6asp$ptf$1@dont-email.me
          Thomas_Heger│ttt_heg@web_de  froak3FfmlvU1@mid.individual.net
        Chris_M_Thomasson│invalid_  pj8e4h$i8c$1@dont-email.me
      Thomas_Heger│ttt_heg@web_de  frs519Fc63sU1@mid.individual.net
    Chris_M_Thomasson│invalid_  pjbrbh$u2r$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.12--3.59pm.Seattle.2018
  Rec.Arts.SF.Written, Sci.Physics, Sci.Physics.Relativity, Alt.Astronomy
    ╱ 19  m45 Cool; 2.5 Weeks, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jul 25 { 11:56pm, 2018 }:49^(-7)  WпΞʩ
      Entropy converts black holes into SpaceTime.

> > creation out of nothing.
> 
> Where did the matter come from? 
> What state was it in before the "big-bang"?

Entropy converts black holes into SpaceTime.
At the start, there was "no entropy" ("no time, no space"), just "eXergy" 
( a type of energy that can do physical work, force * distance ).

Eventually, this eXergy will be consumed away, replaced with entropy,
leaving us with a uniform heat bath that has all of the energy
but none of the eXergy.  Gravity is residual eXergy.

Everything decays, even gravity; hence the arrow of time.

Einstein's Cosmological Constant ( 1.11 * 10^−52 / Meters^2 ) tells us 
that outer space is growing EXPONENTIALLY, gravity is dying off;
-- i.e. the "Heat Death" predicted by Lord Kelvin, 1852,
   is the most likley outcome.
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              HerbertGlazier  17212293-2c99-4f61-ba2b-ae03452fb806@googlegroups.com
            mitchrae3323@gmail_com  0fc59d50-4bcc-474b-ba0f-a6e54f718fa6@googlegroups.com
          HerbertGlazier  cb64af51-5524-4915-b5c9-bc35eb40d56d@googlegroups.com
        mitchrae3323@gmail_com  ed2f32cb-c3a6-47d1-b984-bbd16a776183@googlegroups.com
      Chris_M_Thomasson│invalid_  pj9dbs$1ab$2@dont-email.me
    Chris_M_Thomasson│invalid_  pj9df4$1ab$3@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.12--3.51pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 21  m45 Cool; 2.7 Weeks, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jul 25 {  1:47am, 2018 }:35^(-7)  Wоვო
      Pride

Chris wrote:
> most people think of sex in a lucid dream, and do not 
> experiment around with the environment in a much more scientific way.

Dreams exaggerate life.
Lies are fine, so long as they help us consume more, longer.
Pride is one of "the seven deadly sins", yet we can't function without it.
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            kensi│kkensington01@gmail_  pk9hif$12co$1@gioia.aioe.org
          Your_Friendly_Neighbourhood_  SuadnecLo8btyfXGnZ2dnUU7-TXNnZ2d@giganews.com
        kensi│kkensington01@gmail_  pk9mgb$1apr$3@gioia.aioe.org
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.12--4.10am.Seattle.2018
    kensi│kkensington01@gmail_  pkpimm$eje$4@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.12--11.14am.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 4  m93 Cool; 2.6 Hours, NewsTap➤iPad, Aioe.ORG,  Aug 12 {  8:11am, 2018 }:19^(-4)  WыVэ
      Does Marxism only work in white Norway, not brown India ?

> > > > here's hoping that you put as much effort into
> > > > correcting climate change as you do posting about it.
> > >
> > > I recycle, use public transit [...] and vote against Repugs.
> > 
> > And you bask in White privilege.
> 
> How so, ko0ky?

How much time do you spend in Hawaii versus New York City ?
and how do you get there ? bus, walking, bicycle, rickshaw ?

Norway has only 5 million people, India has billions. 
Does Marxism only work in white Norway, not brown India ?

The wealth and intelligence of a nation is reflected
in its birth rate -- from Singapore (.83/woman) and Macau, 
at the top, to Niger (6.49/woman) and Angola at the bottom.
  Jeff-Relf.Me/Global.Fertility.Rates.1970.2014.PNG

We call ourselves "consumers" and the GDP measures our progress.
We're "robot aliens" ( consumption machines ), exploiting a niche,
(poorly) programmed by nature to take the LessBad "option".
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        kensi│kkensington01@gmail_  pk9hif$12co$1@gioia.aioe.org
      Your_Friendly_Neighbourhood_  SuadnecLo8btyfXGnZ2dnUU7-TXNnZ2d@giganews.com
    kensi│kkensington01@gmail_  pk9mgb$1apr$3@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.12--4.10am.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Talk.Politics.Guns, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 26  m90 Cool; 5.8 Days, NewsTap➤iPad, Aioe.ORG,  Aug  6 {  7:38am, 2018 }: 4^(-4)  WчQɼ
      White privilege.

> > here's hoping that you put as much effort into 
> > correcting climate change as you do posting about it.
> 
> I recycle, use public transit [...] and vote against Repugs.

And you bask in White privilege.
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.12--1.33am.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
      Bismuth Subsalicylate calms my bowels ( and my soul ).

Sugar water calms my throat, stops a cough, relaxing me, but angers my gums.
Salt water calms the gums.  Peeing calms my bladder.
Bismuth Subsalicylate calms my bowels ( and my soul ).
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    MrDFS  S7CbD.32988$E_.15835@fx30.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.11--1.32pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 2  m31 Top; 5.8 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win8.1, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Aug 11 {  7:12am, 2018 }:29^(-4)  WъʎT
      Merge the files, one file per month.

> Anyone dealt with big file counts on Linux?

Merge the files, one file per month.
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              RonB│ronb02NOSPAM@gmail_com  pkatm0$bmh$2@dont-email.me
            AndrzejMatuch  hLfaD.5081$RC.1636@fx26.iad
          Russian_Election_Hacker│  pkdcke$ha2$1@dont-email.me
        AndrzejMatuch  ZzCaD.5107$RC.3746@fx26.iad
      Russian_Election_Hacker│  pkg1a5$304$1@dont-email.me
    HughHuntzinger  13811b19-bb28-4019-9968-ba3c80e51be9@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.11--1.18pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m59 Top; 3.6 Hours, GoogleG, 71.251.40.150,  Aug 11 {  9:21am, 2018 }:38^(PDT)  Wъʣσ
      We (Trump&I) can do whatever we want, without penalty.

Today, censorship is all done via simple robots.

Courts are robotic, judges are robotic, everything.
The MainStream Media is incredibly robotic, mindless.

We (Trump&I) can do whatever we want, without penalty,
so long as we know how the robots work, and how to avoid them. 

Occasionally, Trump throws a wrench in the machine,
and we laugh as everyone else goes berserk.
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              SteveCarroll  a24b26db-43bd-48d1-9acf-9c23010a34f0@googlegroups.com
            BotBoy  fs3vlaF520pU5@mid.individual.net
          SteveCarroll  f9bc5c0e-ed37-435c-a928-9c012a177091@googlegroups.com
        NetCop  fs46r9F6n1iU1@mid.individual.net
      Kompyler│kompyler@toke_com  pjj1ns$npv$1@dont-email.me
    NetCop  fs4iqkF945gU1@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.11--3.10am.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 50  m102 Cool; 1.9 Weeks, 40tude, Individual.NET,  Jul 28 {  6:16pm, 2018 }: 2^(-4)  Wсʄϰ
      Jesus helped undesirables, Rome killed them.

> I was in Portland Oregon for a few days over the Memorial Day weekend
> needles everywhere, bags of shit in the public trash baskets, 
> people sleeping on the streets.  It looked like a 3rd world nation.
> 
> So this is what the liberal left have in store for the USA.
> Thanks but no thanks. I'll move to Australia before I endure that again.

Today, in America, drugs and bad behavior just gets you 
some jail time, or kicked out of public housing, not killed.

Jesus helped undesirables, Rome killed them.
His friends took him down from the cross, before he died.

The hotter it is the faster things breed, including humans;
Norway has only 10 million people, India has billions. 

The wealth and intelligence of a nation is reflected
in its birth rate -- from Singapore (.83/woman) and Macau, 
at the top, to Niger (6.49/woman) and Angola at the bottom.
  Jeff-Relf.Me/Global.Fertility.Rates.1970.2014.PNG

We call ourselves "consumers" and the GDP measures our progress.
We're "robot aliens" ( consumption machines ), exploiting a niche,
(poorly) programmed by nature to take the LessBad "option".
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              SteveCarroll  9da7f47d-bea9-43c1-847c-a50651515bdd@googlegroups.com
            BotBoy  frmpqeF5f0lU1@mid.individual.net
          SteveCarroll  d9f9938c-c8da-4f0c-a2eb-7671718551a5@googlegroups.com
        BotBoy  frms9sF614rU1@mid.individual.net
      SteveCarroll  18839af0-e261-498e-9ead-b69ac0ae1fb7@googlegroups.com
    GasPipe│vinnythegaspipe@motz_  frn1qmF77jnU1@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.11--1.43am.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 85  m102 Cool; 2.6 Weeks, 40tude, Individual.NET,  Jul 23 {  3: 6pm, 2018 }:14^(-4)  WнუE
      We're all ten times more retarded than we can imagine.

> The pathetic part is snit isn't acting. 
> He really is a pathetic, parasitic, nincompoop. 

We're all ten times more retarded than we can imagine.
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    MrDFS  PcgbD.21286$XA2.15226@fx38.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.11--1.22am.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m29 Top; 18.9 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win8.1, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Aug 10 {  6:15am, 2018 }: 9^(-4)  WщϺΞ
      Trump makes people think, and it hurts their heads.

> Trump: "There's been no collusion"   repeated 100x
> shitv: "I am honest"   repeated 1000x

HateBots are a dime a dozen; we've plenty of haters too, you and I.

Trump makes people think, and it hurts their heads.
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            kensi│kkensington01@gmail_  pid6hk$1ujp$1@gioia.aioe.org
          Lunar_Opticfibre│jfwaldby  OBp2D.428587$br4.352091@fx34.iad
        kensi│kkensington01@gmail_  pifo84$1ms9$2@gioia.aioe.org
      BenJacoby  pifs7i$1u22$1@gioia.aioe.org
    kensi│kkensington01@gmail_  pifu45$1h4$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.11--0.37am.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Talk.Politics.Guns, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 72  m82 Cool; 3.8 Weeks, NewsTap➤iPad, Aioe.ORG,  Jul 15 {  9:52am, 2018 }:22^(-4)  WиʨД
      The wealth and intelligence of a nation.

> > soviet utopia crashed and burned.
> 
> Finland never became a part of the Soviet union

The hotter it is the faster things breed, including humans;
Norway has only 10 million people, India has billions. 

Do you want more humans ? more consumption, a higher GDP ?
more plants ?  then only a warmer planet will do.

The wealth and intelligence of a nation is reflected
in its birth rate -- from Singapore (.83/woman) and Macau, 
at the top, to Niger (6.49/woman) and Angola at the bottom.
  Jeff-Relf.Me/Global.Fertility.Rates.1970.2014.PNG

We call ourselves "consumers" and the GDP measures our progress.
We're "robot aliens" ( consumption machines ), exploiting a niche,
(poorly) programmed by nature to take the LessBad "option".
■
    HerbertGlazier  a74c4e76-6287-4c48-a31b-8bcc0906fcbe@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.10--4.53pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 3  m360 Top; 14.9 Minutes, GoogleG, 74.118.32.5,  Aug 10 {  4:24pm, 2018 }:36^(PDT)  Wщჰa
      Exergy is _ forever consumed way, as entropy increases.

> where did all this great energy come from. 

Energy is neither created nor destroyed; 
this is The First Law of ThermoDynamics.

Exergy is _ forever consumed way, as entropy increases;
this is The Second Law of ThermoDynamics.

Exergy is a type of energy that is capable of producing physical work:
force over distance.

Whether you have enough exergy, or too little, or too much,
is a matter of opinion.

Intrinsically, nothing is random.
Randomness is just ignorance, nothing more, nothing less.

The 4 dimensional world is static, immutable, eternal;
it is, at once, everything _ and nothing.

> GR is so incomplete it makes me laugh.
> Over 100 years and that is it.
> Well it is something.  With Newton it was 250 years.

You (Bert) don't even need to know Newtonian gravity,
much less General Relativity.
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        HerbertGlazier  66864c9a-96c1-4ba1-bb9c-e53a5d1362dc@googlegroups.com
      mitchrae3323@gmail_com  15d8fbaa-5a03-4541-8b97-72cdf6dda555@googlegroups.com
    HerbertGlazier  2e34b351-ccf3-4f93-ab7d-884e6930e618@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.10--4.37pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m357 Top; 13.1 Minutes, GoogleG, 74.118.32.5,  Aug 10 {  4: 8pm, 2018 }:58^(PDT)  WщჭΓ
      Lots of people have killed "undesirables".

> More people have been killed in the name of God than by accidents.
> The bible uses the word "SMIT" I wonder why.

Lots of people have killed "undesirables", 
such as the homeless, women, prostitutes, Jews, 
_ even Hollywood stars and presidents.

Jesus helped undesirables, Rome killed them.
His friends took him down from the cross, before he died.

Today, in America, drugs and bad behavior just gets you 
some jail time, or kicked out of public housing, not killed.
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    HerbertGlazier  b60ff627-3182-450a-a55c-19ed3562dd2b@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.10--2.05pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 3  m360 Top; 4.1 Hours, GoogleG, 74.118.32.5,  Aug 10 {  9:45am, 2018 }:32^(PDT)  WщЭν
      "the random universe", where anything goes.

> Trillions and trillions of years before the big bang.

"The Known Universe" is confined to The Big Bang;
outside of that is "the random universe", where anything goes.
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    HerbertGlazier  e8e87ea9-be6a-4359-a74f-5547dd0a409c@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.10--2.00pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 4  m360 Top; 4.3 Hours, GoogleG, 74.118.32.5,  Aug 10 {  9:36am, 2018 }:45^(PDT)  WщЬj
      No one's ego is justified.

> All over the world records are being broken.
> That proves global warming is here.
> Only GOPers tell you its a scam.

The hotter it is the faster things breed, including humans;
Norway has only 10 million people, India has billions. 

Do you want more humans ? more consumption, a higher GDP ?
more plants ?  then only a warmer planet will do.

> I posted for years the reason why.

No one's ego is justified.
Kill all White people, and the rest of humanity would be _ better off.
Kill all of humanity, and the rest of the world would be _ better off.
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              Chris_M_Thomasson│invalid_  pk2ftl$54j$1@dont-email.me
            HerbertGlazier  5d234e3e-e10f-42e2-86d1-2f7f2d9a405d@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.9--5.11am.Seattle.2018
        HerbertGlazier  5449e13b-c450-4bf8-b81a-7828af37c939@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.9--5.46pm.Seattle.2018
    MrAA  afda69d5-0d04-43ad-93db-b5ce2c86f8a9@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.10--1.25pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 3  m122 Top; 1.6 Hours, GoogleG, 205.153.48.25,  Aug 10 { 11:42am, 2018 }:32^(PDT)  WщсW
      Plenty of heat, Plenty of entropy.

> > And how can Quasars be so bright if they're zero degrees Kelvin,
> > like you and DoubleA suggest ?
> 
> Quasars may be accretion disks surrounding galactic black holes.  
> But their brightness is well outside the black hole
> where the temperature is low.  

What's brighter than the relativistic jets shooting
out of a black hole ?  Plenty of heat, Plenty of entropy.
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              Owl  szv80z0b220b.3@rooftop.invalid
            MrChrisV  jh5mmdh05cc2rkdnrnv9lu7ojnc7h2pau7@4ax.com
          FabianRussell  74df8ffc-65a4-4e84-abe9-324a7b1b37f9@googlegroups.com
        MrChrisV  b9eomdl65hogj64m2husjv94dc5ldo9tlu@4ax.com
      FabianRussell  8190c901-1958-45c0-91dc-70f5a74dcb74@googlegroups.com
    ScottDoty  ft3ep0F92euU2@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.9--9.29pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m32 Top; 8.8 Hours, Pan, Individual.NET,  Aug  9 { 11:17am, 2018 }: 4  Wщȴо
      My Recent code changes, Not safe for work.

> Been doing a lot of programming at work lately, 
> so why would I want to do that for fun, 
> except on rare and special occasions?

I've been doing a lot of programming at home lately. 
So why would I want to do that for money, 
except on rare and special occasions ?

My Recent code changes, Not safe for work:
  YouTube.COM/watch?v=uAmNBkEJJZY
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    ScottDoty  fsn0ksF9o9gU8@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.9--7.58pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 6  m32 Top; 5 Days, Pan, Individual.NET,  Aug  4 {  6: 2pm, 2018 }:21  WцAʍ
      What makes you think Steve is smart ?

> Steve is trying to claim that it is the mere inclusion of the word "black"
> in the subject line that is the source of objection.
> He is either disingenuous or stupid, and _ I don't think he's stupid.

What makes you think Steve is smart ?
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              AndrzejMatuch  gmZ7D.481393$yc1.368325@fx40.iad
            BotBoy  fsb6jfFodptU2@mid.individual.net
          ScottDoty  fscr2aF4vo7U1@mid.individual.net
        MrChrisV  ik73mdd5po2j1ktehc1nnicuo2f58je8v7@4ax.com
      Owl  pa9z80bb.uo34lux@rooftop.invalid
    ScottDoty  fsh9roF3rpqU1@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.9--7.27pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 12  m32 Top; 1 Weeks, Pan, Individual.NET,  Aug  2 {  2: 2pm, 2018 }:48  Wфλʨ
      No one's ego is justified.

> > The Times is adding Sarah Jeong to their editorial board.
> > ...
> > Jeong wonders if white people's light skin is a sign they're
> > " only fit to live underground, like groveling goblins ".

Damn straight ! this White boy prefers the indoors.
For thousands of years, nothing has been sexier than a white White girl;
_ everyone knows this, including Sarah Jeong.

> > She thinks white people should be "canceled" 
> > and likes entertaining the notion they'll go extinct.

No one's ego is justified.
Kill all White people, and the rest of humanity would be _ better off.
Kill all of humanity, and the rest of the world would be _ better off.
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        Owl  naxcb080b8.hu9o3@rooftop.invalid
      ChrisAhlstrom  pk6rt8$ed2$1@dont-email.me
    JohnGohde  76637edf-4e0c-4d04-9d87-7ba9f5ecc540@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.9--6.55pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 4  m39 Top; 4.5 Days, GoogleG, 74.110.177.13,  Aug  5 {  6:15am, 2018 }: 2^(PDT)  WцʄΗ
      100.000% of us fail to realize how dumb and unimportant we really are.

> 20% of the population are too stupid to realize 
> just how stupid that they really are.

100.000% of us fail to realize how dumb and unimportant we really are.
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        .  e125593c-38e5-4ce0-b010-f4bd074849fc@googlegroups.com
      The_Starmaker│starmaker@ix_  5B41561B.70EC@ix.netcom.com
    HerbertGlazier  5ed30faf-2319-4386-a1f0-4c45728716ac@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.9--6.00pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 13  m357 Top; 2.1 Days, GoogleG, 74.118.32.5,  Aug  7 {  3:38pm, 2018 }:20^(PDT)  Wчშʌ
      Without entropy, there's neither space nor time.

> > where did you get the idea that time didn't exist before the big bang?

Without entropy, there's neither space nor time.
Initially, there was no measurable entropy, no SpaceTime. 

In the real world ( the one that we can measure, not the random one )
SpaceTime implies entropy.
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            HerbertGlazier  7097f755-0f54-4926-a938-a817fb72d079@googlegroups.com
          Chris_M_Thomasson│invalid_  pk2ftl$54j$1@dont-email.me
        HerbertGlazier  5d234e3e-e10f-42e2-86d1-2f7f2d9a405d@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.9--5.11am.Seattle.2018
    HerbertGlazier  5449e13b-c450-4bf8-b81a-7828af37c939@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.9--5.46pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 17  m357 Top; 1.9 Hours, GoogleG, 74.118.32.5,  Aug  9 {  3:45pm, 2018 }:55^(PDT)  Wщɫϛ
      Entropy converts black holes into SpaceTime.

> > Entropy converts black holes into SpaceTime.
> 
> BH has no entropy.Bert

Quasars, QuasiStellar galaxies, aren't around anymore, like they used to be.
Why ? entropy.  

And how can they be so bright if they're zero degrees Kelvin,
like you and DoubleA suggest ?
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              HerbertGlazier  13160e13-9541-4944-8aad-4a4be9c99540@googlegroups.com
            HerbertGlazier  892357de-303b-46c3-8d54-2f58591f06b9@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.9--4.49am.Seattle.2018
        HerbertGlazier  2723bb0c-011b-4f7a-a970-9adeeee8cd35@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.9--0.41pm.Seattle.2018
    MrAA  3fb039d6-0f57-4d17-8de6-746d9fd3c96e@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.9--1.46pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics
    ╳ 2  m121 Top; 33 Minutes, GoogleG, 205.153.48.25,  Aug  9 {   :57pm, 2018 }:53^(PDT)  Wщɍϙ
      We have a niche, that's all.

> > Mother Nature programed us to imagine that we're important
> > _ so we consume.
> 
> Because even Mother Nature recognized 
> how important we ( most of us ) really are!

We have a niche, that's all.
Tomorrow, it could be gone.
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      __@_____  pjpemdd31duatsqp3j7ou17ff04hm0sfde@4ax.com
    HerbertGlazier  dfe6ed86-2ced-4594-b53e-04de1216dc39@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.9--1.20pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 36  m364 Top; 3.8 Days, GoogleG, 64.134.174.57,  Aug  5 {  4:27pm, 2018 }: 9^(PDT)  WцϚΞ
      Jesus helped undesirables, Rome killed them.

> > Jesus doesnt like you at all,
> > he just wanted to be the king of you Americans
> 
> Jesus wasn't kosher  He rotted on the cross.
> He had a peg up his ass.  This is reality, like it or not.
> 500 Jews were nailed on cross all theway to Rome.

Jesus helped undesirables, Rome killed them.
His friends took him down from the cross, before he died.
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    HerbertGlazier  9db0f74a-8f28-4368-955d-29396bc85341@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.9--1.11pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 37  m364 Top; 4.7 Days, GoogleG, 64.134.174.57,  Aug  4 {  6:40pm, 2018 }: 3^(PDT)  WцGϱ
      Negative weight.

> A photon sits on one end of a balance scale 
> how many neutrinos would it take to have it in balance?

A photon never sits; if it hits the scale from below,
it'll push it up, registering a _ negative weight. 
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    HerbertGlazier  f081e365-dda8-4fd9-87ba-98f75e861113@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.9--1.03pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 38  m364 Top; 4.9 Days, GoogleG, 74.118.32.5,  Aug  4 {  3:40pm, 2018 }:51^(PDT)  Wхშб
      Each one is more random than the other.

> More Universes Than Snowflakes  That is reality.
> Oops, there goes another trillion universes.

And each one is more random than the other.
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          HerbertGlazier  13160e13-9541-4944-8aad-4a4be9c99540@googlegroups.com
        HerbertGlazier  892357de-303b-46c3-8d54-2f58591f06b9@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.9--4.49am.Seattle.2018
    HerbertGlazier  2723bb0c-011b-4f7a-a970-9adeeee8cd35@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.9--0.41pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 48  m364 Top; 2.5 Hours, GoogleG, 74.118.32.5,  Aug  9 {  9:54am, 2018 }:25^(PDT)  WщnP
      Mother Nature programed us to imagine that we're important.

> My mother taught me all people are important, and to be treated good.

Yes, Mother Nature programed us to imagine that we're important
_ so we consume.
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        HerbertGlazier  7097f755-0f54-4926-a938-a817fb72d079@googlegroups.com
      Chris_M_Thomasson│invalid_  pk2ftl$54j$1@dont-email.me
    HerbertGlazier  5d234e3e-e10f-42e2-86d1-2f7f2d9a405d@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.9--5.11am.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics
    ╳ 45  m359 Top; 5.5 Days, GoogleG, 74.118.32.5,  Aug  3 {  4:21pm, 2018 }:55^(PDT)  Wхɱϛ
      Entropy converts black holes into SpaceTime.

> Space gets bigger with Time. Time gets bigger(longer) with space.

Entropy converts black holes into SpaceTime.
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        HerbertGlazier  f2815c4a-48f3-4510-9fbd-90788e27f8bb@googlegroups.com
      MrAA  b26920fb-2845-42e3-a983-e88ea72b8373@googlegroups.com
    HerbertGlazier  3c8e56bd-da12-4762-bddf-be77f8a7d331@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.9--5.01am.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics
    ╳ 46  m359 Top; 5.5 Days, GoogleG, 74.118.32.5,  Aug  3 {  4:19pm, 2018 }: 8^(PDT)  WхɱȺ
      Particles coming out of a black hole (quasar).

> > GOOGLE says:  A solar mass black hole might have 
> > a temperature of only 0.00000006 Kelvin.
> 
> That temp. fits well with me.

Travelling close to the speed of light, 
particles coming out of a black hole (quasar),
can cook a hot dog.
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      HerbertGlazier  13160e13-9541-4944-8aad-4a4be9c99540@googlegroups.com
    HerbertGlazier  892357de-303b-46c3-8d54-2f58591f06b9@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.9--4.49am.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 48  m359 Top; 5.5 Days, GoogleG, 74.118.32.5,  Aug  3 {  4:16pm, 2018 }:44^(PDT)  WхɰЪ
      Nature programed you to think that you/humanity are important.

Bert wrote:
> > The reason the universe created humankind was to see itself.
> 
> If computers take over we humans can say we started and lead the way.
> Only human eyes see how real the universe is.

Nature programed you to think that you/humanity are important.

We call ourselves "consumers" and the GDP measures our progress.
We're "robot aliens" ( consumption machines ), exploiting a niche,
(poorly) programmed by nature to take the LessBad "option".
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            HerbertGlazier  feaee0cd-9e55-416f-a566-ac181eee04b4@googlegroups.com
          Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  pjokne$1unk$1@gioia.aioe.org
        HerbertGlazier  432e28a9-0e5a-4cb6-b0d9-750b2fda7e94@googlegroups.com
      BenJacoby  pjqvm7$1ubr$1@gioia.aioe.org
    HerbertGlazier  4bdad5bd-a3bd-481e-b6e0-09c738890acf@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.9--4.22am.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics
    ╳ 75  m359 Top; 1.1 Weeks, GoogleG, 64.134.174.57,  Aug  1 {  5:33pm, 2018 }:10^(PDT)  Wф5Ο
      If Hitler were alive today.

Ben wrote:
> > Who's paying for YOUR internet access, Bert ?
> > We all know it ain't you !

If Hitler were alive today, he'd kill the undesirables,
starting with you, Ben.
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.5--11.17am.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
      The wealth and intelligence of a nation.

The wealth and intelligence of a nation is reflected
in its birth rate -- from Singapore (.83/woman) and Macau, 
at the top, to Niger (6.49/woman) and Angola at the bottom.
  Jeff-Relf.Me/Global.Fertility.Rates.1970.2014.PNG
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      HerbertGlazier  13160e13-9541-4944-8aad-4a4be9c99540@googlegroups.com
    MrAA  2d2614c7-5ce0-43c3-8652-09871a909d7a@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.3--2.40pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m125 Top; 4.6 Minutes, GoogleG, 205.153.48.25,  Aug  3 {  2:29pm, 2018 }:53^(PDT)  Wхɞჯ
      (poorly) programmed by nature to take the LessBad "option".

> One might say that [ the - Random - universe ] created 
> all creatures with eyes to see itself.
> When we develop computers with eyes to see it,
> it will no longer have a need for any of the rest of us!

We call ourselves "consumers" and the GDP measures our progress.
We're "robot aliens" ( consumption machines ), exploiting a niche,
(poorly) programmed by nature to take the LessBad "option".
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            .  phfok1$fmb$3@dont-email.me
          .  a960d541-aed5-43b0-9fd9-7e6ec469940a@googlegroups.com
        .  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.10--2.24am.Seattle.2018
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.10--1.52pm.Seattle.2018
    HerbertGlazier  743327d3-7f27-4fca-9f68-d60a7c6d5a70@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.31--8.18pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m316 Dropped; 22.1 Minutes, GoogleG, 74.118.32.5,  Jul 31 {  7:46pm, 2018 }:50^(PDT)  Wуʓа
      NewsPapers and HandWritten letters are still good; just not as good.

Bert wrote:
> I like youtube, and facebook.
> Since I see my family on facebook its my favorite. 

What do you like on YouTube ?

> Why is my laptop "Chromebook"? 

ChromeBook is like an Android phone, it's made by Google.

> I like its long lasting battery.

My computer plugges into the wall, because I use it a lot;
it's worth the money.

> Well once you have a computer
> there is no way you live without it.

NewsPapers and HandWritten letters are still good; just not as good. 
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.30--6.15am.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, News.Software.Readers, Comp.Lang.C++, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m1 Shifty; 1.6 Hours, Emacs➤openMac, Neodome.NET,  Jul 15 {  8: 1pm, 2018 }:42^(-5)  WиМɦ
No reliable way to toggle the "Touch Keyboard" on|off.

https://stackoverflow.com/a/51548686/5732431  
Facts are often _ugly_.  

Everyone knows _only_ one thing: Duplicate posts are bad.  
No one cares/knows about anything else.  Points Points Points.  
So what if questions don't get answered ?  Priorities.  

I've yet to encounter any one who cares about the answer,  
because they don't know the answer.  I know, so I care.  

I spent _long_ days/weeks researching the answer to his question,  
and I found an answer that actually works 100% of the time.  
No one else has done that.  _Random_ bugs are _hard_ to fix.  

Bhargav Rao ( stackoverflow.com/users/4099593/bhargav-rao )  
deleted it, my answer, so there's no possibility of improving it.  
So my reputation score is now 1, and I can't post answers to any one's question.  

Sure, duplicate questions are bad, and Bhargav is on it, like white on rice  
but, surely, the right answer is more important.  
Wouldn't Bhargav himself agree ( rudely, I can't ask him  ) ?  


https://stackoverflow.com/a/51376030/5732431

In Win10 Ver 1803, DesktopMode, there is no reliable way to  
toggle the "Touch Keyboard" on|off [ ITipInvocation.Toggle() ];  
nor can you _reliably_ discover if it's "up" ( on screen )  
[ IFrameworkInputPane.Location() ]; both routines fail _randomly_.  

Instead, ensure that "TabTIP.EXE" and "....InputApp.EXE"  
only run when the keyboard is "up" ( on screen ).  

To toggle the keyboard on and off ( from X.CPP in Jeff-Relf.Me/X.ZIP ):  

    if ( WM == WM_HOTKEY && C == 'K' ) {
    
      //  A mouse button takes me here.  Jeff-Relf.Me/g600.PNG
    
      if ( KillProc = 1, Running( L"TabTIP.EXE" ), KillProc = 1, Running( 
          L"WindowsInternal.ComposableShell.Experiences.TextInput.InputApp.EXE"
      ) )  

        //  The keyboard was _On_ ( i.e. its processes were running ), 
        //  so it was "turned _Off_" (killed); and we're done.

        goto Done ;
    
      //  The keyboard was _Off_ ( i.e. no running processes ). 
      //  Turn it _On_: 
    
      Launch( L"%CommonProgramFiles%/microsoft shared/ink/TabTIP.EXE" );
      Sleep(99);

      static const GUID CLSID_UIHostNoLaunch = {  0x4CE576FA, 0x83DC,
        0x4f88,  0x95, 0x1C, 0x9D, 0x07, 0x82, 0xB4, 0xE3, 0x76 };
      static const GUID IID_ITipInvocation = {  0x37c994e7, 0x432b,
        0x4834, 0xa2, 0xf7, 0xdc, 0xe1, 0xf1, 0x3b, 0x83, 0x4b };
      static struct ITipInvocation : IUnknown {  virtual HRESULT 
        STDMETHODCALLTYPE  Toggle( HWND wnd ) = 0 ;  }  * Tog ;
    
      Tog = 0, CoCreateInstance( CLSID_UIHostNoLaunch, 0, CLSCTX_INPROC_HANDLER
        | CLSCTX_LOCAL_SERVER, IID_ITipInvocation, (void**) & Tog );
    
      //  Firefox and Chrome need this: 
    
      Tog ? Tog->Toggle( GetDesktopWindow() ), Tog->Release() : 0 ;    }
    - - - - - - - - - - - - -
    //  To get the process list, and kill stuff: 
    #include <tlhelp32.H>
    
          int  KillProc ;
    int Running( wchar * EXE ) {  int  Found ;  HANDLE  PIDs, aProc ;
      PROCESSENTRY32  aPID = { sizeof aPID };
      PIDs = CreateToolhelp32Snapshot( TH32CS_SNAPPROCESS, 0 );
      Process32First( PIDs, &aPID );
      while ( Found = !strCmpI( aPID.szExeFile, EXE ),
        KillProc && Found && ( 
          aProc = OpenProcess( PROCESS_TERMINATE, 0, aPID.th32ProcessID ),
          aProc ? TerminateProcess( aProc, 9 ), CloseHandle( aProc ) : 0 ),
        !Found && Process32Next( PIDs, &aPID ) );
      
      KillProc = 0, CloseHandle( PIDs );  return  Found ;   }
    
    
    Launch( wchar * Cmd ) {  wchar _Cmd[333];  static PROCESS_INFORMATION Stat ;
      static STARTUPINFO SU = { sizeof SU };
      SetEnvironmentVariable( L"__compat_layer", L"RunAsInvoker" );
      ExpandEnvironmentStrings( Cmd, _Cmd, 333 ), Cmd = _Cmd ;
      if ( CreateProcess( 0, Cmd, 0,0,1,0,0,0, &SU , &Stat ) )
        CloseHandle( Stat.hProcess ), CloseHandle( Stat.hThread );  }
    
    //  CoInitialize(0);
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.28--4.33pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
      To find the ugly truth.

Everyone gets their (fake) "news" from a pretty lady 
who speaks sweet, soft _nothings_ into their ears.

No one wants to delve into it, to dig deep,
to find the ugly truth.
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      .  20180727ToKa61aPoKa26eDiTi78gZu@Xe03
    MrAA  79fb61e4-822d-43e7-968a-4d4d85666500@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.27--4.59pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m122 Top; 8.9 Minutes, GoogleG, 205.153.48.25,  Jul 27 {  4:43pm, 2018 }: 2^(PDT)  Wрϝȴ
      "Dark Matter" is just unseen mass.

> > How Do We Know Dark Matter Really Exists?
> 
> We don't!  Maybe it's just our theory of gravity that's all wrong!

"Dark Matter" is just unseen mass, that's all.
The British use the word "dark" when they mean "unseen";
e.g.: The "dark" (UnSeen) side of the moon.

95% of the (spherical) Milky Way can't be seen because
we're sitting in a brightly lit "room" with pitch black "windows",
and we can't turn down the lights, nor move to the window.

Quoting WikiPedia: ＜＜

  The visible disk of the Milky Way Galaxy is embedded 
  in a much larger, roughly spherical halo of dark matter. 

  The dark matter density drops off with distance from the galactic center.
  It is now believed that about 95% of the Galaxy is composed of dark matter ＞＞
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              Owl  sz9bll3gaa.h@rooftop.invalid
            HughHuntzinger  e79d36a6-1b16-4c59-8415-77d9f4a5622d@googlegroups.com
          Owl  szb0808g3a.h79o@rooftop.invalid
        HughHuntzinger  5a3bf00e-cd42-46f1-a05a-8f32a2afc695@googlegroups.com
      Owl  szxb08903g.ay@rooftop.invalid
    HughHuntzinger  4a670c64-3409-47ee-963f-b3a8cf5b7d1a@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.27--4.51pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 27  m102 Top; 1.6 Weeks, GoogleG, 71.251.44.210,  Jul 16 {  7:23pm, 2018 }:16^(PDT)  Wйʏъ
      Racist Communism

> > > Mostel's short ~18 month break within 15 years of being blackballed
> >
> > Many B-level actors often go for five or six years without work.
> 
> B-Listers don’t win industry awards multiple times.

This whole "left versus right" thing is a red herring.

Hitler was _both_ far left ( super socialist ),
and far right ( racist nationalist ) at the same time.
To this day, his "Racist Communism" remains popular.

Like Hitler, China and North Korea are authoritarian, not communist.
Governments are _not_ ( N O T ) smarter than the market, no one is.
Governments gave us billion dollar trains to nowhere.

They're racing to spend all the money, far into the future,
leaving us with no stake in the game. 
No chance to win, No chance to lose.
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              Chris_M_Thomasson│invalid_  pj8e4h$i8c$1@dont-email.me
            Thomas_Heger│ttt_heg@web_de  frs519Fc63sU1@mid.individual.net
          Chris_M_Thomasson│invalid_  pjbrbh$u2r$1@dont-email.me
        Daniel60│daniel47@eternal  pjeg33$17i$1@dont-email.me
      Chris_M_Thomasson│invalid_  pjg2rg$4ad$1@dont-email.me
    MrAA  36ff62e6-467b-4288-a48a-98056feeea44@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.27--4.34pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m120 Top; 5.4 Minutes, GoogleG, 205.153.48.25,  Jul 27 {  4:22pm, 2018 }: 1^(PDT)  Wрϙϡ
      Gravity is residual eXergy.

MrAA wrote:
> But I do believe that Hawking theorized that if one were falling into a black hole, 
> it would appear as though everything else was accelerating away from you!  
> Isn't that just how we see our universe?

I doubt he actually said that because the known Universe has no center,
whereas black holes definitely do.

You can't understand gravity unless you understand thermal dynamics,
such as entropy and exergy.    Gravity is residual eXergy.
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        JohnGohde  b435232f-7ae0-4ff7-a890-1801f7142b04@googlegroups.com
      ScottDoty  frpuiaFpdb1U4@mid.individual.net
    JohnGohde  9a23eb0c-daf3-44de-93bc-176847fb4c69@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.25--2.36am.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    -Dropped, 7.8 Hours, GoogleG, 74.110.191.175,  Jul 24 {  6:38pm, 2018 }:19^(PDT)  WоϾʋ
      Scarfing

> > > Nicholas Fudge, a 28-year-old fisherman. Dead but NOT Moi
> 
> How about Demi Lovato suffers possible overdose?

Nicholas probably overdosed, or maybe hung himself.
urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Scarfing
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              BotBoy  frp243Fl24tU1@mid.individual.net
            SteveCarroll  5760d28b-eede-4185-a68c-254bfdc435be@googlegroups.com
          BotBoy  frpa01FmqppU2@mid.individual.net
        ScottDoty  frppbkFpdb1U1@mid.individual.net
      SteveCarroll  fae8435a-3966-4768-9d77-b5b704441364@googlegroups.com
    ScottDoty  frpr18Fpdb1U2@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.25--2.15am.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 3  m29 Top; 9.3 Hours, Pan, Individual.NET,  Jul 24 {  4:28pm, 2018 }:41  WоϚЧ
      My kids wouldn't cross the street to piss on me.

> > aaf40826-ca77-4faa-82f5-f6b12e94ced6@googlegroups.com
> 
> Yep, just as I thought -- another classic Snit misattribution.
> I didn't see this post because I have "frelwizzen" killfiled.

"Mike/Snit quoting his own FanFic" is too random for me.

P.S. If I was on fire, my kids wouldn't cross the street to piss on me.
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              HerbertGlazier  aaf0714f-d79f-462c-9061-d79f742e5422@googlegroups.com
            hanson│hanson@quick_net  pir3hr$fph$1@dont-email.me
          HerbertGlazier  a58be153-9ff2-43ba-bdf2-7056a57394f8@googlegroups.com
        MrAA  7ad9d721-ece1-4dd0-b0f1-627a67171996@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.20--9.48pm.Seattle.2018
    HerbertGlazier  c5c73542-7be1-4ec1-855e-88200e8c2ade@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.25--1.46am.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m266 Dropped; 41.5 Minutes, GoogleG, 74.118.32.5,  Jul 24 {  4:15pm, 2018 }:52^(PDT)  WоϘϘ
      "The end is near, Drink the KoolAid" -- Jim Jones.

Bert wrote:
> the end is near.

"The end is near, Drink the KoolAid" -- Jim Jones.
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              Owl  sz9b0803ga.hj8@rooftop.invalid
            HughHuntzinger  d522c6f2-b134-4501-bb2e-04beac314361@googlegroups.com
          Owl  aszxb003ga.hy89o@rooftop.invalid
        HughHuntzinger  a5db2b42-811a-48a3-bb1e-00c04f7aced3@googlegroups.com
      Owl  sz9bll3gaa.h@rooftop.invalid
    HughHuntzinger  e79d36a6-1b16-4c59-8415-77d9f4a5622d@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.24--7.28am.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 16  m92 Top; 1.1 Weeks, GoogleG, 143.85.5.18,  Jul 16 {  2:51pm, 2018 }:14^(PDT)  WйɢΤ
      We can't change the past or the future.

> blackballed     Fiddler on the Roof
> wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_Mostel

We can't change the past or the future.
No one really knows what happened or why.

We're consumption machines, exploiting a niche,
(poorly) programmed by nature to take the LessBad "option".
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              MrAA  1c792a91-66b6-4b06-87ee-7625cd6c9a3c@googlegroups.com
            HerbertGlazier  91bf5d77-1f9f-4cc5-ba8a-e71042575f7e@googlegroups.com
          HerbertGlazier  13b5222c-6cf6-4d5c-bce2-63f094f91f2f@googlegroups.com
        MrAA  9be6fb17-6bcc-400b-804b-60805120a759@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.20--10.21pm.Seattle.2018
    MrAA  a065d142-2f90-433a-b761-3bd6772c1cf9@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.23--5.47pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 3  m112 Top; 10.9 Minutes, GoogleG, 205.153.48.25,  Jul 23 {  5:17pm, 2018 }:43^(PDT)  Wо2ქ
      I'm 58, not 15.

> > > In China, all you have to do is say
> > > "President Xi Jinping is a fink",
> > > and you join the ranks of the slaves!
> > 
> > All I ever do, all day long, is follow my passion.
> 
> What could that passion possibly be?
> Internet porn, and choking the chicken?

Once a month, maybe; I'm 58, not 15.
Annoyingly, my dick still gets hard at night.

Porn industry players ( like "Mila Azul" ) are elite;
I ask them "rude" questions ( about vasectomies and such )
and they don't answer me.

I hate makeup, fake boobs, expensive clothes, etc. .

Usenet is one of my passions, of course, as is programming. 
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              AndrzejMatuch  Hvq1D.518879$PE5.154086@fx37.iad
            HughHuntzinger  0f6ab7bb-3ffd-463f-9986-f4b44da9c5bc@googlegroups.com
          AndrzejMatuch  tIt1D.324329$o43.292804@fx33.iad
        HughHuntzinger  2b3ddda5-64dc-45a8-a6a7-84441d2e1baf@googlegroups.com
      FabianRussell  pi60km013kh@news2.newsguy.com
    HughHuntzinger  25b0785a-dedd-4ba9-941e-63e670e4c7e1@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.23--5.27pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 21  m94 Top; 1.5 Weeks, GoogleG, 143.85.5.18,  Jul 13 {  5:18am, 2018 }:16^(PDT)  Wз3G
      set PROMPT=$P$_$g

> > The proper term is "alias." 

set PROMPT=$P$_$g
In a DOS shell, "set" lists your environment variables.

To change them, edit/run:  

;  SystemWide  Environment Variables:
;    HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Session Manager\Environment
;      "TMP"="%SystemRoot%\\Tmp"
;  Reqires a ReBoot.
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Volatile Environment]
"USERPROFILE"="c:\\__\\Sys"
"HOMEPATH"="c:\\__\\Sys"
"APPDATA"="c:\\__\\Sys\\AppData"
"LOCALAPPDATA"="C:\\__\\Sys\\AppData"

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Environment]
"TMP"="C:\\__\\Tmp"
"TEMP"="C:\\__\\Tmp"
;  Telnet.EXE, Zip.EXE, UnZip.EXE, 7z.EXE, nirCmd.EXE, Brc.EXE, pcre.DLL, ffmPeg.EXE
"Path"="C:\\__\\EXEs\\Shell"
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        kensi│kkensington01@gmail_  pj45jl$j7s$1@gioia.aioe.org
      HerbertGlazier  4840b98e-30f1-47b0-a5f0-0874e3f58995@googlegroups.com
    MrAA  a06a1851-3348-467c-9a4e-36163e4fe8d0@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.23--4.58pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 4  m108 Top; 1.9 Hours, GoogleG, 205.153.48.25,  Jul 23 {  2:44pm, 2018 }:16^(PDT)  Wнჟʈ
      Nothing is more precious than my alone time.

> > Just charged up the air in Van.  Now I can hang meat in the back seat.

Nice !

> > I was told my HP laptop was $99 but when I went to pay for it
> > on my unlimited VISA card after trying it out
> > they said it was a gift   Wow
> > 
> > I said "How Come"? They said "Don't Ask " 

That's weird.

> > I'm at Walmart and McDonalds every day 
> > They call me Grampy or the bird man.
> > I make them laugh at old man jokes,
> > and laughter goes a long way.

I don't have to leave my house to get Internet and air conditioning.
Nothing is more precious than my alone time.
  
> Twitty has been giving me lots of advice on healthful eating on Twitter.

" You can live to be a hundred if you give up 
  all the things that make you want to live 
  to be a hundred. " -- Woody Allen.
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              .  fq0renFglc7U1@mid.individual.net
            .  phfok1$fmb$3@dont-email.me
          .  a960d541-aed5-43b0-9fd9-7e6ec469940a@googlegroups.com
        .  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.10--2.24am.Seattle.2018
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.10--1.52pm.Seattle.2018
    HerbertGlazier  c0fb4f15-4d02-4479-aefe-a7c03ffd05ef@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.22--11.48am.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m243 Dropped; 20.1 Minutes, GoogleG, 64.134.174.57,  Jul 22 { 10:43am, 2018 }: 5^(PDT)  Wнvȷ
      You can convert your speech into text, instead of typing.

Bert wrote:
> Walmart gave me a HP Chromebook.

You didn't have to pay for it ?

> Lift the lid and I'm in this group. 
> Nothing to press.  Its screen is 11.6",  Very brillant.
> 
> I don't know if it gets window 10? 
> Who cares when it gets free signal.
> I'm sitting here at McDonalds Bert

I admire your thriftiness.  If you're running Windows,
and you have a microphone on your headset,
you can convert your speech into text, instead of typing.

RightClick on the taskbar, 
beside where your open apps are listed,
and check "Show touch keyboard button".

The Keyboard icon should then appear
in your SystemTray, by the Wi-Fi icon. 

Click the icon, then click on the microphone that comes up.
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        .  d56e914e-ed92-4415-98bb-0f755790a157@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--3.43pm.Seattle.2018
    Nice_Guy│niceguy1984@yahoo_com  pj0b6c$he0$4@adenine.netfront.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.21--3.33pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m1 Dropped; 1.9 Minutes, BadRig, Netfront.NET,  Jul 21 {  3:13pm, 2018 }:38  Wмχɢ
      My fortunes rise and fall with the economy.

I wrote:
> > Pleading poverty, I refused to go to the emergency room,

That was 1995, not now.
I won't waste money, like that.

> > It cost me nothing because my income was so low;
> > I had $25 left, after paying rent; nothing in the bank, no savings.

Again, that was 2008 not now.
My fortunes rise and fall with the economy.
Right now, things are good.

"Nice Guy" [sic] wrote:
> Be nice

Keep telling yourself that, it might sink in one day.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.19--7.29am.Seattle.2018
            AndrzejMatuch  rGk4D.189128$eR.91088@fx30.iad
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.20--10.32pm.Seattle.2018
        Storage_Unit│storage_unit  0vkb2f-1cp.ln1@news.neodome.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.21--9.40am.Seattle.2018
    SteveCarroll  e5545f30-4a84-47b5-833d-5c1cce8afa33@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.21--3.12pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 27  m160 Cool; 1.7 Minutes, GoogleG,  Jul 21 {  2:48pm, 2018 }: 7^(PDT)  Wмσ7
      If you highlight everything, then you have a problem with everything.

> > My (highly customized) editor, Visual Studio 2017:
> >   Jeff-Relf.Me/Visual-Studio-2017.PNG  
> 
> You don't find syntax highlighting helpful?

You don't use multiple colors when you read and write text;
for me, code is no different.

You highlight something when you have a problem with it;
if you highlight everything, then you have a problem with everything;
I don't.   Same goes for comments, I don't "need/like/want" them.

> > Some crap I wrote:  Jeff-Relf.Me/Chess.PNG
>
> Are you any good at chess ? 

I can beat a 10 year old girl ( if she's blindfolded ).
I play "mindless chess", very quick; it's more fun that way. 

> Who's the angry looking young woman ?

Emma Blackery, a salty YouTuber.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.19--7.29am.Seattle.2018
            AndrzejMatuch  rGk4D.189128$eR.91088@fx30.iad
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.20--10.32pm.Seattle.2018
        AndrzejMatuch  RaJ4D.515272$bS4.63696@fx01.iad
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.21--10.09am.Seattle.2018
    AndrzejMatuch  NUK4D.207639$%s2.72056@fx18.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.21--11.44am.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 6  m258 Mad; 52 Secs, Pan, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Jul 21 { 11:25am, 2018 }:49  WмΙɭ
      Natural Dentistry.

> > I live alone
> 
> I'm shocked, truly.

Nothing is more precious than my alone time.

> > no pets
> 
> Even the animal kingdom is afraid of spending time alone with you?

I didn't know they had a say in the matter.
Like it or not, you're the government's pet.
You're just a weak bitch, yapping away, impotently.

> > I live in Seattle, near the University of Washington.
> 
> My condolences.

Successes is: Location Location Location.
 
> Don't worry: the teeth will just fall out, free of charge.

John Gohde and I call it, "Natural Dentistry".  

> > Food:  0$; free 200$ per month "food stamps" ( SNAP ).
> 
> Long live the American taxpayer.

That's why people are coming here, instead of Bangladesh.
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              MrAA  1d6e436b-c74f-48ba-a6d5-e9d1f5a80995@googlegroups.com
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.18--3.18am.Seattle.2018
          BenJacoby  pinp2c$pqe$5@gioia.aioe.org
        HerbertGlazier  a3a7c61e-26ef-42f5-a456-539fa662ce09@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.20--9.27pm.Seattle.2018
    HerbertGlazier  beaa8b14-45d4-4990-a2b9-56b10971ca4d@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.21--10.25am.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m232 Dropped; 21 Minutes, GoogleG, 74.118.32.5,  Jul 21 {  9:53am, 2018 }: 6^(PDT)  Wмʨр
      Paying her rent.

> > Girls do NOT care about the size; men do, not girls. 
> > Jeff-Relf.Me/Statue.of.David.JPG
> 
> All ads I read say: the bigger the better.
> Viagra puts a smile on a girls face.

Those ads are directed at you, a man, to make _you_ smile,
as you pay her rent.
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          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.19--7.29am.Seattle.2018
        AndrzejMatuch  rGk4D.189128$eR.91088@fx30.iad
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.20--10.32pm.Seattle.2018
    AndrzejMatuch  RaJ4D.515272$bS4.63696@fx01.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.21--10.09am.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 14  m257 Mad; 14.7 Minutes, Pan, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Jul 21 {  9:28am, 2018 }:33  WмʤП
      I don't understand cell phone users, and they don't understand me.

> > I paid 100$ for my copy of Windows.
> 
> You spent your yearly salary on Windows? How did you eat?

I live alone, no pets, in Seattle (USA),
near the University of Washington.

  Housing:  300$; My 250 square foot private room,
      in my 32 unit "rooming house" (SRO), 
      is (nearly) free because I manage the house.

      Market Price is 750$ per month;
      all utilities, including Internet, are free.
      My VoIP phone (VoIP.MS) is 85 cents per month.

  Transportation:  0$; I just walk; No bus, No car.
      Amazon and WalMart deliver ( "free" shipping ).
      My BeachComber wagon carries the heavy stuff,
      like grape juice and frozen pizzas (America!).

  Health insurance:  0$ per decade;
      I spent nothing on health care, last few decades.
      I've had _bad_ tooth and gum pain, 
      but a salt water rinse takes care of it. 

  Food:  0$; free 200$ per month "food stamps" ( SNAP ).

> Only rich idiots buy machines with Windows pre-installed? 
> Are you sure about that? Define "rich." 

If you don't know anything, and you have the money, you buy Apple,
or something similar but less expensive ( like Androids ).
If you know something, and you have the money, you buy Microsoft. 

> Not everyone is as technical as you are.

That's an understatement, to say the least;
I don't understand cell phone users, and they don't understand me.

> Windows makes it nearly impossible to change much about the 
> look or the operation of the system other than changing the wallpaper
> and the highlighting colour.

When I swing my 4k monitor around, people see: 

  Jeff-Relf.Me/YouTubeSubs.PNG
  Jeff-Relf.Me/YouTubeComHist.PNG
  Jeff-Relf.Me/YouTubeComments.PNG

My (highly customized) editor, Visual Studio 2017:

  Jeff-Relf.Me/Visual-Studio-2017.PNG  
  Jeff-Relf.Me/Macros.HTM

Some crap I wrote:

  Jeff-Relf.Me/Chess.PNG
  Jeff-Relf.Me/Glyph.PNG
  Jeff-Relf.Me/X.ZIP

> every distribution of Linux allows you 
> to change even the slightest detail of your system.

Same for Microsoft Windows 10 Ver 1803, if you know what you're doing.
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          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.19--7.29am.Seattle.2018
        AndrzejMatuch  rGk4D.189128$eR.91088@fx30.iad
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.20--10.32pm.Seattle.2018
    Storage_Unit│storage_unit  0vkb2f-1cp.ln1@news.neodome.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.21--9.40am.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 8  m10 Shifty; 3.1 Hours, Emacs➤openMac, Neodome.NET,  Jul 21 {  5:19am, 2018 }:12^(-5)  WмɻȾ
      "#define  NTDDI_VERSION  NTDDI_WIN10" bitch.

"Storage Unit" [sic] asked me:
> What are your computer's specs?                            

I've no cell phone, no laptop, no DVD player.
GigaSet Cordless Phone, hooked to an OBi200 ATA.
Bria 4 Soft Phone.  My VoIP/SMS service:

  VoIP.MS, 85 cents per month.
  VoiceMail and SMS texts are eMailed to me.
  I get popup alerts when a text arrives.

Wi-Fi Routers:    a NetGear r8000 ac3200, and a 
Asus ROG ac5300 with the 8 MuMiMo antennas, and 8 LAN Ports.

My ArmMounted, 40 inch, 4k, curved monitor ( at arm's length ):
Philips bdm4037uw.   1 TeraByte SSD, Samsung 850 EVO. 

128 GigaByte SanDisk Extreme PRO USB 3.0 Flash Drive,
Write_Read Max 240_260 MB/s.

Win10 Ver 1803; 16 gigs of 1.9 GigaHz ddr3 RAM.
14nm i7-5775c CPU with the 128 MegaByte, 
128 bit, 1.8 GigaHz OnChip "Crystal Well" cache.

    It runs _Cold_, around 27°C ( 80°F ), drawing 4 Watts.
    No need for a graphics card; 60 fps 4096x2160 videos play fine, cold.
    Video player:  Zoom Player Max 14.1, tricked out.

ASUS Gryphon, LGA 1150, Intel z97, SATA 6Gb/s 
USB 3.0 Micro ATX Motherboard. 

Fanless Rosewill SilentNight 500 Watt PowerSupply,
80 Plus platinum certified.

Logitech g910 programmable keyboard, 
39 button g600 mouse, and 4 button g633 headset.

    I wrote an app that toggles the "Touch Keyboard" on and off 
    at the hit of a mouse button ( Jeff-Relf.Me/g600.PNG ).

Brother DCP-7065DN, 26 ppm Laser Printer; 
High Yield Toner, 2,600 pages, lasts for years.

When I swing my monitor around, people see: 

  Jeff-Relf.Me/YouTubeSubs.PNG
  Jeff-Relf.Me/YouTubeComHist.PNG
  Jeff-Relf.Me/YouTubeComments.PNG

My (highly customized) editor, Visual Studio 2017:

  Jeff-Relf.Me/Visual-Studio-2017.PNG  
  Jeff-Relf.Me/Macros.HTM

Some crap I wrote:

  Jeff-Relf.Me/Chess.PNG
  Jeff-Relf.Me/Glyph.PNG
  Jeff-Relf.Me/X.ZIP
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      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.19--7.29am.Seattle.2018
    AndrzejMatuch  rGk4D.189128$eR.91088@fx30.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.20--10.32pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    +-, 16.8 Hours, Pan, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Jul 20 {  5:35am, 2018 }:35  Wлϳო
      I paid 100$ for my copy.

Andrzej posited:
> Nobody _buys_ Windows; 

If you have the money, and you know what you doing,
you assemble your PC piece by piece, including windows;
I paid 100$ for my copy.

> they just get it with their PC.

Rich idiots do that, not me.

> They live with the complete lack of customization,
> security and overall fun 

My copy of windows is fully customized, _extensively_,
and I have _zero_ security concerns.

Why ? because I'm _not_ an idiot.  

> I doubt they consciously chose it.

You talking about idiots", not me.

> Most don't even know 
> that something called Windows is on there.

Idiots.
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            HerbertGlazier  e5e6b528-979c-42ca-bb58-a1b0884028fb@googlegroups.com
          MrAA  1c792a91-66b6-4b06-87ee-7625cd6c9a3c@googlegroups.com
        HerbertGlazier  91bf5d77-1f9f-4cc5-ba8a-e71042575f7e@googlegroups.com
      HerbertGlazier  13b5222c-6cf6-4d5c-bce2-63f094f91f2f@googlegroups.com
    MrAA  9be6fb17-6bcc-400b-804b-60805120a759@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.20--10.21pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m102 Top; 5 Hours, GoogleG, 205.153.50.12,  Jul 20 {  4:21pm, 2018 }:49^(PDT)  Wлჯϕ
      All I ever do, all day long, is follow my passion.

> In China, all you have to do is say
> "President Xi Jinping is a fink",
> and you join the ranks of the slaves!

All I ever do, all day long, is follow my passion.
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          HerbertGlazier  aa140210-bca8-4fa4-9e69-8a124e70c9b7@googlegroups.com
        MrAA  a6b8e794-4d32-4597-9bd5-f3b05a15085b@googlegroups.com
      HerbertGlazier  fc9f960c-fe40-4903-b5ce-7bdc68da6830@googlegroups.com
    MrAA  a39742e9-2c77-4ded-b8ab-f569a94984f9@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.20--9.56pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 2  m102 Top; 5.3 Hours, GoogleG, 205.153.48.25,  Jul 20 {  4:  pm, 2018 }:26^(PDT)  WлწQ
      Gravity is residual eXergy.

> > every thing has inertia(mass) 

In physics "mass" means "rest mass", and photons are never at rest.
 
> I have spent most of my life trying to find [ gravity's source ] !

Gravity is residual eXergy.
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              alal65536@gmail_com  d72d9e72-b797-401c-8a7c-5c569058727d@googlegroups.com
            The_Starmaker│starmaker@ix_  5B4F9608.3A96@ix.netcom.com
          HerbertGlazier  aaf0714f-d79f-462c-9061-d79f742e5422@googlegroups.com
        hanson│hanson@quick_net  pir3hr$fph$1@dont-email.me
      HerbertGlazier  a58be153-9ff2-43ba-bdf2-7056a57394f8@googlegroups.com
    MrAA  7ad9d721-ece1-4dd0-b0f1-627a67171996@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.20--9.48pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 4  m102 Top; 6.6 Hours, GoogleG, 205.153.48.25,  Jul 20 {  2:43pm, 2018 }:59^(PDT)  Wлჟɷ
      We are the robot aliens.

> intelligent chips against morons (teamsters)!

We are the robot aliens.
We're consumption machines, exploiting a niche,
(poorly) programmed by nature to take the LessBad "option".

At the start, there was "no entropy" ("no time, no space"), just "eXergy" 
( a type of energy that can do physical work, force * distance ).

Eventually, this eXergy will be consumed away, replaced with entropy,
leaving us with a uniform heat bath that has all of the energy
but none of the eXergy.  Gravity is residual eXergy.

Everything decays, even gravity; hence the arrow of time.

Einstein's Cosmological Constant ( 1.11 * 10^−52 / Meters^2 ) tells us 
that outer space is growing EXPONENTIALLY, gravity is dying off;
-- i.e. the "Heat Death" predicted by Lord Kelvin, 1852,
   is the most likley outcome.

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      HerbertGlazier  fb45860c-f1c4-4125-a746-06a6d52239ce@googlegroups.com
    MrAA  98e9fb19-10f0-4062-9ca7-81146edbd90b@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.20--9.37pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 5  m102 Top; 6.7 Hours, GoogleG, 205.153.48.25,  Jul 20 {  2:39pm, 2018 }:53^(PDT)  Wлპϙ
      There's no limit to our stupidity; it's boundless, infinite.

> history is infinite.... It can thin out,(cold)but never to absolute zero.
> 
> I like Infinite!

The "known" universe is 13.8 billion years old. 
There's no limit to our stupidity; it's boundless, infinite. 
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              BenJacoby  pij8g8$1fkm$1@gioia.aioe.org
            hanson│hanson@quick_net  pijae2$fjg$1@dont-email.me
          MrAA  1d6e436b-c74f-48ba-a6d5-e9d1f5a80995@googlegroups.com
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.18--3.18am.Seattle.2018
      BenJacoby  pinp2c$pqe$5@gioia.aioe.org
    HerbertGlazier  a3a7c61e-26ef-42f5-a456-539fa662ce09@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.20--9.27pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m225 Dropped; 4.9 Hours, GoogleG, 74.118.32.5,  Jul 20 {  4:24pm, 2018 }:15^(PDT)  WлჰF
      Girls do NOT care about the size; men do, not girls.

Bert wrote:
> Hanson has a Jewish pecker.  Rabbi:s took off 3 inches(WOW) 
> Girls laugh and no sex.

Girls do NOT care about the size; men do, not girls. 
Jeff-Relf.Me/Statue.of.David.JPG

> No sex is a brain killer.

Everyone, including myself, is better off when I don't have sex.
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.19--7.29am.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
      Rich techies buy Windows.

Rich idiots buy Apple.
Smart bums put Linux on a DumpsterPC.
Rich techies buy Windows.
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          HerbertGlazier  bbeae1fa-6e4b-4ccf-92ff-7fd01631e5dc@googlegroups.com
        BenJacoby  pij8g8$1fkm$1@gioia.aioe.org
      hanson│hanson@quick_net  pijae2$fjg$1@dont-email.me
    MrAA  1d6e436b-c74f-48ba-a6d5-e9d1f5a80995@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.18--3.18am.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 3  m106 Top; 11.4 Hours, GoogleG, 205.153.48.25,  Jul 17 {  3:43pm, 2018 }:47^(PDT)  Wйჩɫ
      "God" (Bert) stepped on it.

> What is wrong with your brain, hanson?

"God" (Bert) stepped on it.
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              MrAA  3ee5ca0c-3e51-441d-8271-a4040e240246@googlegroups.com
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--4.27pm.Seattle.2018
          BenJacoby  pie3s2$1bt7$3@gioia.aioe.org
        MrAA  8700b831-1a13-45e7-a1ff-f3f3c7fbeea1@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.15--5.35pm.Seattle.2018
    MrAA  f293cf62-7690-487a-802e-9e5b7d08724e@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.16--5.48pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 5  m104 Top; 3.9 Hours, GoogleG, 205.153.48.25,  Jul 16 {  1:25pm, 2018 }:46^(PDT)  Wйɔɪ
      In Japan, you pay about 6 months rent up front.

> My landlord took a chance with me, 
> and I have not been late once on my rent.  
> 
> He has been burned by some other renters, 
> but he just seems to take it in stride as a cost of doing business.
> Perhaps it's the cost of having a heart instead of being a Scrooge.

He's nice because he knows how slow and expensive the court system is;
one of my tenants owes 2 months rent, 1,600$. 

In Japan, you pay about 6 months rent up front,
and, unless you're really special, you'll not get any of it back.

In Seattle, we're not allowed to research one's criminal history,
much less act on it.

Often, when a "thievivg junkie" can't pay his rent,
he calls the city inspector, as if that'd help him;
the cost of appeasing inspectors exceeds taxes, some years.

My only consolation is that their credit report is dinged. 
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              RonB│ronb02NOSPAM@gmail_com  phfok1$fmb$3@dont-email.me
            HughHuntzinger  a960d541-aed5-43b0-9fd9-7e6ec469940a@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.10--2.24am.Seattle.2018
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.10--1.52pm.Seattle.2018
      Storage_Unit│storage_unit  0eet1f-5ld.ln1@news.neodome.net
    Lewis│g_kreme@gmail_com_  slrnpkpgik.13ie.g.kreme@Snow.local
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.16--10.15am.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, News.Software.Readers, Comp.Lang.C++, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m1 Shifty; 23.1 Minutes, slrn➤openMac, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jul 16 {  9: 5am, 2018 }:40  Wйeტ
      Switch SysFolders to Short, Friendly Paths, all under "C:\__" ( Home ).

> > > Launch( L"/Program Files/Common Files/microsoft shared/ink/TabTip.EXE" ),
> >                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > Things like that are the reason why Windows programs suddenly break when
> > something is not installed to default location.
> 
> Are you even able to install microsoft crap in a custom location?
> 
> Microsoft has been reliant on hard-coded paths since before Windows,
> and Windows 10 is no different.

I've been doing the following for many years now [ Jeff-Relf.Me/Win10.REG ]:
 
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Environment]
"TMP"="C:\\__\\Tmp"
"TEMP"="C:\\__\\Tmp"
;  Telnet.EXE, Zip.EXE, UnZip.EXE, 7z.EXE, nirCmd.EXE, Brc.EXE, pcre.DLL, ffmPeg.EXE
"Path"="C:\\__\\EXEs\\Shell"
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.10--2.24am.Seattle.2018
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.10--1.52pm.Seattle.2018
          Storage_Unit│storage_unit  0eet1f-5ld.ln1@news.neodome.net
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.15--10.09pm.Seattle.2018
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.16--6.12am.Seattle.2018
    Paul│nospam@needed_invalid  pii74k$7pj$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.16--10.04am.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.Lang.C++
    ╱ 1  m1 Shifty; 2.8 Hours, Ratcatcher/2_0_0_25, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jul 16 {  6:38am, 2018 }:29^(-4)  WйGʕ
      "PROCESS_TERMINATE" in "Jeff-Relf.Me/X.CPP" in "Jeff-Relf.Me/X.ZIP".

Paul wrote:
> > The "Touch Keyboard" doesn't always come up Right away.
> 
> So you're one of these people then...
> stackoverflow.com/questions/38774139/show-touch-keyboard-tabtip-exe-in-windows-10-anniversary-edition

Exactly.  When the "Touch Keyboard" doesn't come up Right away:
 
  Kill( "WindowsInternal.ComposableShell.Experiences.TextInput.InputApp.EXE" ).
  Launch( "TabTip.EXE" ).

My "Touch Keyboard" toggle is tied to a mouse button;
DoubleClicking it does the ReStart. 

See "PROCESS_TERMINATE" in "X.CPP" in "Jeff-Relf.Me/X.ZIP".
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              MrChrisV  pqk6kd5538fmdotdqq4dt158ij1l10msh2@4ax.com
            .  b1ed98cf-c824-4ec5-bf6c-dba17cbd7703@googlegroups.com
          .  d199kdtbln84pmdne2ts2p21vonqr8p08d@4ax.com
        .  8e92578c-8e80-4a81-96bc-861b5fcf2e04@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.15--0.16pm.Seattle.2018
    MrAA  e1cd240f-39e1-4cab-9beb-e0efec5c5123@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.16--9.28am.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 4  m102 Top; 2.2 Hours, GoogleG, 205.153.50.5,  Jul 15 {  3:14pm, 2018 }:40^(PDT)  Wиχʠ
      It's good to be King.  The house doesn't gamble.

> > they're racing to spend all the money, far into the future,
> > leaving us with no stake in the game, 
> > No chance to win, No chance to lose.
> 
> One lucky player here in Oregon won the government's 
> Power Ball game ( the Oregon retirement plan ).
> 
> That he won a 154.4 million lottery is such a lie!  
> They only let him keep 61.7 million of it!
> Like so many lies we hear all the time today!

It's good to be King.  The house doesn't gamble.
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            .  20180714BiFe66iKiPe92eDaWa48bHe@Se26
          Arindam_Banerjee│  e1cebc9f-9048-45fd-97d1-0ca3d8f85373@googlegroups.com
        MrAA  82c102a2-8485-4670-bc58-9d74d9ef7952@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--4.09pm.Seattle.2018
    Arindam_Banerjee│  5e4f3b88-92a0-4e1a-b2fe-2ebb5edafaf3@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.16--5.46am.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m49 Dropped; 16.2 Minutes, GoogleG, 81.18.200.30,  Jul 15 {  9:55pm, 2018 }:27^(PDT)  WиЯɗ
      You shouldn't feel pride or shame.

Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> SHAME is the key to the Indian character.
> To prevent SHAME, one has to be stoic.
> 
> Shamelessness is the key to the modern Western character
> as evident from media, politics, foreign policy,
> advertising, pornography etc. as shamelessness makes money.

You shouldn't feel pride or shame.
You're a product of your environment, it's a "gift";
you had nothing to do with it.
 
In India, people continually produce babies, hoping for survival.

We're consumption machines, exploiting a niche,
programmed by nature to take the LessBad "option", naturally.
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Precedence of C Operators:

-----------------   ---------------  ------------------------------------
  Associativity                                                     
( Left to right )     Category         Operator                         
-----------------   ---------------  ------------------------------------
                      Postfix          () [] -> . ++ - -
  Right to left       Unary            + - ! ~ ++ - - (type) * & sizeof 
                      Multiplicative   * / %      
                      Additive         + -        
                      Shift            << >>      
                      Relational       < <= > >=  
                      Equality         == !=      
                      Bitwise AND      &          
                      Bitwise XOR      ^          
                      Bitwise OR       |          
                      Logical AND      &&         
                      Logical OR       ||         
  Right to left       Conditional      Bool ? True : False              
  Right to left       Assignment       = += -= *= /= %= >>= <<= &= ^= |=
                      Comma            ,
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              Ian_Hilliard│nospam@nospam_org  fq0renFglc7U1@mid.individual.net
            RonB│ronb02NOSPAM@gmail_com  phfok1$fmb$3@dont-email.me
          HughHuntzinger  a960d541-aed5-43b0-9fd9-7e6ec469940a@googlegroups.com
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.10--2.24am.Seattle.2018
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.10--1.52pm.Seattle.2018
    Storage_Unit│storage_unit  0eet1f-5ld.ln1@news.neodome.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.15--10.09pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, News.Software.Readers, Comp.Lang.C++, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m1 Shifty; 1.6 Hours, Emacs➤openMac, Neodome.NET,  Jul 15 {  8: 1pm, 2018 }:42^(-5)  WиМɦ
      As I get older, I give fewer and fewer fucks.

"Storage_Unit" [sic] replied to me :
> > if ( Msg.message == WM_HOTKEY && Msg.wParam == 'K' )
> >   Launch( L"/Program Files/Common Files/microsoft shared/ink/TabTip.EXE" ),
>                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Things like that are the reason why Windows programs suddenly break
> when something is not installed to default location.

Amen to that, it's a _damn_serious_ problem.
My code, on the other hand, affects no one but me.

> By the way, Jeff, why no HTML posts anymore?

<PRE> is thee _only_ way to post a "table" (report); 
otherwise, it won't display properly on Google Groups.
As I get older, I give fewer and fewer fucks. 
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              MrChrisV  3hf9kd5h16475vnp82nbpe5di88gnsk7u1@4ax.com
            HughHuntzinger  8411ebd8-c069-4697-8799-336ef8152388@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.15--1.04pm.Seattle.2018
        BranimirMaksimovic  C5O2D.2051457$Vp2.1550616@fx38.am4
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.15--1.32pm.Seattle.2018
    BranimirMaksimovic  5CO2D.898930$7B3.867239@fx13.am4
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.15--5.55pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╳ 7  m13 Cool; 3.4 Hours, slrn➤Linux, HighWinds➤Usenet-News.NET,  Jul 15 {  2:  pm, 2018 }:49  Wиλn
      I don't need glasses.

> >> What's your distance from monitor? 5 meters?
> >
> > Arm's length.
> 
> You will loose your sight ;(

I can read the SuperFine print on U.S. currency; most people can't.
Now that I'm almost 60, in a dark room, I need to shine a light on it.

_If_ I wanted to read the menu at McDonald's,
or watch a show at the theater, I'd need glasses;
but I don't, so I don't need glasses.

My eyes get tired, these days, after 16 hours of heavy computer usage.
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              MrAA  d56e914e-ed92-4415-98bb-0f755790a157@googlegroups.com
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--3.43pm.Seattle.2018
          MrAA  3ee5ca0c-3e51-441d-8271-a4040e240246@googlegroups.com
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--4.27pm.Seattle.2018
      BenJacoby  pie3s2$1bt7$3@gioia.aioe.org
    MrAA  8700b831-1a13-45e7-a1ff-f3f3c7fbeea1@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.15--5.35pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 3  m102 Top; 1.9 Hours, GoogleG, 205.153.50.5,  Jul 15 {  3:30pm, 2018 }:56^(PDT)  Wиϐu
      Would you rent to me ? to Bert ? to Air B&B guys ?

MrAA told Ben:
> Jeff already offered to rent to me once.

Would you rent to me ? to Bert ? to Air B&B guys ?
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              MrChrisV  ian6kdl0p19b6a12gq5n3e0fdai6c9lhmj@4ax.com
            HughHuntzinger  30595a99-0526-41e8-9a73-be9b5d04247f@googlegroups.com
          MrChrisV  3hf9kd5h16475vnp82nbpe5di88gnsk7u1@4ax.com
        HughHuntzinger  8411ebd8-c069-4697-8799-336ef8152388@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.15--1.04pm.Seattle.2018
    BranimirMaksimovic  C5O2D.2051457$Vp2.1550616@fx38.am4
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.15--1.32pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 7  m12 Cool; 4.4 Minutes, slrn➤Linux, HighWinds➤Usenet-News.NET,  Jul 15 {  1:26pm, 2018 }:10  Wиεʂ
      Arm's length.

> > My 39 button g600 mouse (Jeff-Relf.Me/g600.PNG) 
> > and g633 HeadSet are portable, but not my ArmMounted, 
> > 40 inch, 4k, curved monitor ( set to arm's length ).
> 
> What's your distance from monitor? 5 meters?

Arm's length.
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              MrChrisV  ts2njdl4nbin23rues4vbou3r4402kd3jd@4ax.com
            HughHuntzinger  6e74b949-d320-4c72-8530-99c2e3acd0da@googlegroups.com
          MrChrisV  ian6kdl0p19b6a12gq5n3e0fdai6c9lhmj@4ax.com
        HughHuntzinger  30595a99-0526-41e8-9a73-be9b5d04247f@googlegroups.com
      MrChrisV  3hf9kd5h16475vnp82nbpe5di88gnsk7u1@4ax.com
    HughHuntzinger  8411ebd8-c069-4697-8799-336ef8152388@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.15--1.04pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 13  m91 Top; 5.2 Days, GoogleG, 143.85.5.18,  Jul 10 {  7:27am, 2018 }:33^(PDT)  WеOξ
      My next monitor will be a HeadSet, hopefully.

"chrisv" [sic] wrote:
> > I want only one main work computer, a desktop.
> > I don't like using laptops, really. 

    My next monitor will be a HeadSet, hopefully.

    Now that I've got Win10's "Touch Keyboard" working,
    I no longer need my bulky g910 keyboard.

    My 39 button g600 mouse (Jeff-Relf.Me/g600.PNG) 
    and g633 HeadSet are portable, but not my ArmMounted, 
    40 inch, 4k, curved monitor ( set to arm's length ).
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              Chris_M_Thomasson│invalid_  phopvj$5lh$1@dont-email.me
            Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.35a99490a45f545899428b@news.altopia.com
          MrChrisV  pqk6kd5538fmdotdqq4dt158ij1l10msh2@4ax.com
        HughHuntzinger  b1ed98cf-c824-4ec5-bf6c-dba17cbd7703@googlegroups.com
      MrChrisV  d199kdtbln84pmdne2ts2p21vonqr8p08d@4ax.com
    HughHuntzinger  8e92578c-8e80-4a81-96bc-861b5fcf2e04@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.15--0.16pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 14  m91 Top; 5.2 Days, GoogleG, 143.85.5.18,  Jul 10 {  6:32am, 2018 }:21^(PDT)  WеFʍ
      No chance to win, No chance to lose.

Governments are _not_ smarter than the market, no one is.
Billion dollar trains to nowhere.

Still, they're racing to spend all the money, far into the future,
leaving us with no stake in the game, 
No chance to win, No chance to lose.
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              HerbertGlazier  a0ff0084-a562-4b1f-82ff-4b6b51a019ca@googlegroups.com
            MrAA  d4e987c2-80c6-4a9b-a009-23902afcbe0e@googlegroups.com
          HerbertGlazier  415c201e-c4e5-4392-ab05-75a982f76a8c@googlegroups.com
        MrAA  d56e914e-ed92-4415-98bb-0f755790a157@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--3.43pm.Seattle.2018
    BenJacoby  pie3i0$1bt7$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--6.28pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╳ 3  m163 Dropped; 57 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Aioe.ORG,  Jul 14 {  5:12pm, 2018 }:47^(-4)  Wи2l
      God has stepped on you, I can hear the squealing.

Ben wrote:
> sucking at the public teat...  socialism...  Utopia

God has stepped on you, Ben, I can hear the squealing.

Everyone is a "rent slave", everyone bows down before the government,
everyone pays property taxes, everyone is someone's bitch, a bottom.

Look around the world.  Who breeds more ? the rich or the poor ?
Who raises rich kids ?  _Not_ the parents, I assure you.
Baby Trump was sent off to boarding school ASAP because kids suck.
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              HerbertGlazier  a0ff0084-a562-4b1f-82ff-4b6b51a019ca@googlegroups.com
            MrAA  d4e987c2-80c6-4a9b-a009-23902afcbe0e@googlegroups.com
          HerbertGlazier  415c201e-c4e5-4392-ab05-75a982f76a8c@googlegroups.com
        MrAA  d56e914e-ed92-4415-98bb-0f755790a157@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--3.43pm.Seattle.2018
    MrAA  3ee5ca0c-3e51-441d-8271-a4040e240246@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--4.27pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m98 Top; 5.5 Minutes, GoogleG, 205.153.48.25,  Jul 14 {  4: 8pm, 2018 }:25^(PDT)  Wзჭʑ
      Everyone and their dog can see that you didn't pay those medical bills.

> the hospital turned me over to a collection agency.
> They called me for a while, but I just stopped taking their calls.
> What good is insurance ?

Everyone and their dog can see that you didn't pay those medical bills.
Because of that, some might not rent to you, or hire you.
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        .  20180714BiFe66iKiPe92eDaWa48bHe@Se26
      Arindam_Banerjee│  e1cebc9f-9048-45fd-97d1-0ca3d8f85373@googlegroups.com
    MrAA  82c102a2-8485-4670-bc58-9d74d9ef7952@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--4.09pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m97 Top; 46.1 Minutes, GoogleG, 205.153.48.25,  Jul 14 {  3:  pm, 2018 }: 1^(PDT)  Wзტ1
      Geographical determination.

Money melts away in the hot Brazilian sun.

Long, dark winters and cloudy summers ( in England ) 
created the SunAdverse white man and the BankingInternet system
that now _rules_ the world.   Boo sun, yay Seattle.

According to Rosenkranz, Einstein attributes the " alleged stoicism
of the Indians he encounters to geographical determination [by asking]:
' Wouldn't we too, in this climate, become like the Indians ? '. "
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              Chris_M_Thomasson│invalid_  pi6odr$ig8$1@dont-email.me
            HerbertGlazier  11f3c91f-98cf-45a7-831c-9f57ab3c4063@googlegroups.com
          HerbertGlazier  a0ff0084-a562-4b1f-82ff-4b6b51a019ca@googlegroups.com
        MrAA  d4e987c2-80c6-4a9b-a009-23902afcbe0e@googlegroups.com
      HerbertGlazier  415c201e-c4e5-4392-ab05-75a982f76a8c@googlegroups.com
    MrAA  d56e914e-ed92-4415-98bb-0f755790a157@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--3.43pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╳ 1  m96 Top; 26.8 Minutes, GoogleG, 205.153.50.10,  Jul 14 {  2:23pm, 2018 }:51^(PDT)  Wзმჭ
      Last few decades, I spent _nothing_ on doctors.

> doctors can't be trusted.
> The brainwashing is being done by big pharma!

Last few decades, I spent _nothing_ on doctors.

I've had _bad_ tooth and gum pain, 
but a salt water rinse takes care of it. 
      ......
When Win95 first came out, I was programming heavily, 
all through the night, and I got sick, 
so I took some cold medicine.

Also, I got very excited about buying a new mouse, 
and the bus ride made me car sick.

After exiting the bus, into the cold and dark, 
I ran up a steep hill and passed out; someone called 911.

Pleading poverty, I refuse to go to the emergency room,
so the paramedics gave me a blanket and released me, no charge.
      ......
After smoking a huge Cuban cigar, 2008, 
I woke up the next morning super sick.
Worried, I walked to the emergency room; they found nothing.

It cost me nothing because my income was so low;
I had $25 left, after paying rent; nothing in the bank, no savings.
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              Hamilcar_Barca│roys29888  fptd0bFrbg7U1@mid.individual.net
            Ian_Hilliard│nospam@nospam_org  fq0renFglc7U1@mid.individual.net
          RonB│ronb02NOSPAM@gmail_com  phfok1$fmb$3@dont-email.me
        HughHuntzinger  a960d541-aed5-43b0-9fd9-7e6ec469940a@googlegroups.com
      .  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.10--2.24am.Seattle.2018
    .  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.10--1.52pm.Seattle.2018
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.13--1.47am.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, News.Software.Readers, Comp.Lang.C++, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 8  m77 Top; 6.6 Days, GoogleG, 143.85.5.18,  Jul  3 {  5:26am, 2018 }:17^(PDT)  Wаɼʉ
      ReKilling Cortana zombies.

Previously, I wrote:
> Alt+Shift+Ctrl+K: Toggles "Touch Keyboard" On/Off.
> "Randomly", the keyboard is slow to come up; I'm working on it. 

The fix was to ReKill Cortana.
Windows Update brings Cortana back from the dead, as a zombie;
Zombie Cortana then randomly blocks "Touch Keyboard".

Find the Cortana process in the TaskManager -> "Open File Location".
ReTake, ReGain ownership of the Cortana folder.

Try to rename the folder [ a prompt will come up ];
kill Cortana so you can _Quickly_ hit "Try again", 
thus renaming it before Cortana returns from the dead.

Copy Over a TextFile and give it the same name as the Cortana folder,
so (hopefully) the folder won't get ReCreated.

Merge the following into the registry and ReBoot:

    [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\Windows Search]
    "AllowCortana"=dword:0
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.9--9.33pm.Seattle.2018
            HughHuntzinger  89823d4d-1970-47e0-b2c7-6b430095f80b@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.10--6.12pm.Seattle.2018
        HughHuntzinger  c240fff0-a317-4d09-8886-a06c14525157@googlegroups.com
      MrChrisV  vrtbkd9hmqqg1k6kh7hghe5bd7ldc1eu40@4ax.com
    BotBoy  fqpj7dF5dn5U5@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.12--1.54pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 15  m270 Mad; 2.7 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Mac, Individual.NET,  Jul 12 { 10:59am, 2018 }: 9^(-7)  WжΔу
      No one wants to play a game where there are winners and losers.

Someone wrote:
> reducing income redistribution to the very rich 
> helps with that [beggars], too. 
> It really ties into almost all societal ills.

With smart people like you in control, no money will be wasted, I'm sure.
The bureaucracy is brilliant, compared to the market.
No one wants to play a game where there are winners and losers.
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.11--11.44pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
      Money melts away in the hot Brazilian sun.

Money melts away in the hot Brazilian sun.

Long, dark winters and cloudy summers ( in England ) 
created the SunAdverse white man and the BankingInternet system
that now _rules_ the world.   Boo sun, yay Seattle.
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I live alone, no pets, in Seattle (USA),
near the University of Washington.

Housing:  0$; My 250 square foot private room,
    in my 32 unit "rooming house" (SRO), 
    is free because I manage the house.

    Market Price is 750$ per month;
    all utilities, including Internet, are free.
    My VoIP phone (VoIP.MS) is 85 cents per month.

Transportation:  0$; I just walk; No bus, No car.
    Amazon and WalMart deliver ( "free" shipping ).

Health insurance:  0$ per decade;
    I spent nothing on health care, last few decades.

Food:  0$; free 200$ per month "food stamps" ( SNAP ).
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.9--9.33pm.Seattle.2018
            HughHuntzinger  89823d4d-1970-47e0-b2c7-6b430095f80b@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.10--6.12pm.Seattle.2018
        HughHuntzinger  c240fff0-a317-4d09-8886-a06c14525157@googlegroups.com
      MrChrisV  vrtbkd9hmqqg1k6kh7hghe5bd7ldc1eu40@4ax.com
    RonB│ronb02NOSPAM@gmail_com  pi5ffu$rli$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.11--0.37pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m68 Dropped; 1.3 Hours, slrn➤Linux, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jul 11 { 10:41am, 2018 }:18  Wежь
      There are no thieving junkies in Japan; No Beggars, No heroin addicts.

There are no thieving junkies in Japan; No Beggars, No heroin addicts.

At worst, you'll see a few ( very few ) highly organized, super clean,
homeless geezers ( old farts ) who drink, smoke, and gamble too much.  
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.9--4.04pm.Seattle.2018
            HughHuntzinger  3c634e66-3034-4a48-855a-22e91803fdb4@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.9--7.58pm.Seattle.2018
        HughHuntzinger  c88c39aa-3d01-4bae-adb3-73834c4a6299@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.9--9.33pm.Seattle.2018
    HughHuntzinger  89823d4d-1970-47e0-b2c7-6b430095f80b@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.10--6.12pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 11  m81 Top; 8 Hours, GoogleG, 143.85.5.18,  Jul 10 {  5:54am, 2018 }:31^(PDT)  Wе9V
      Money is no substitute for youth and vitality.

You (Hugh) replied to me: 
> > Will you be consuming less, then ?
> 
> To a fairly broad degree, I already do.
> The house isn't actually large 

You probably occupy 20 times more space than me.
Where I live, renting 160 square feet is common;
some are as low as 90 square feet... tiny indeed.

> the daily commute only takes ~1 gallon of fuel.

That's 30 gallons a month more than me,
not counting your air travel.

> sure, we do some air travel

I don't rent hotels, don't eat in restaurants, 
and don't fly on jets; I walk, and cook for myself.

> > Perfection isn't attainable 
> 
> Not asking for perfection - just merely not a system that's
> a deliberate train wreck to rip off unadvantaged consumers. 
>     ....
> an uninsured patient is being asked to pay nearly 10x more.

Money is no substitute for youth and vitality.
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            Hamilcar_Barca│roys29888  fptd0bFrbg7U1@mid.individual.net
          Ian_Hilliard│nospam@nospam_org  fq0renFglc7U1@mid.individual.net
        RonB│ronb02NOSPAM@gmail_com  phfok1$fmb$3@dont-email.me
      HughHuntzinger  a960d541-aed5-43b0-9fd9-7e6ec469940a@googlegroups.com
    .  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.10--2.24am.Seattle.2018
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.10--1.52pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, News.Software.Readers, Comp.Lang.C++, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 8  m77 Top; 6.6 Days, GoogleG, 143.85.5.18,  Jul  3 {  5:26am, 2018 }:17^(PDT)  Wаɼʉ
      Toggling "Touch Keyboard" On/Off, Firefox and Chrome.

Previously, I wrote:
> I love my ArmMounted, 40 inch, 4k, curved monitor, at arm's length,
> in bed; but, with no real desk or touch screen,
> hardware keyboards are a major pain in the ass.
> 
> So I was thrilled by the "Touch Keyboard" recently introduced
> to the Windows 10, MouseOnly DesktopMode; 
> what's more, it lets me (voice) dictate text.
> 
> Now, "Jeff-Relf.Me/X.HTM" supports these SystemWide "HotKeys"
> ( assigned to g600 mouse buttons, Jeff-Relf.Me/g600.PNG ):
> 
>   Alt+Shift+Ctrl+K: Toggles "Touch Keyboard" On/Off.
>   Alt+Shift+Ctrl+M: Toggles Monitor On/Off(asleep).

Compared to other apps, Firefox and Chrome are very picky 
about how they interact with the Touch Keyboard;
so " Show Touch Keyboard button ", in SysTray, Must be Enabled.

"Randomly", the keyboard is slow to come up; I'm working on it. 

    HWND  Win, TaskBar, SysTray, Keyboard ;  MSG  Msg ;
                ...
    TaskBar  = FindWindow(               L"Shell_TrayWnd", 0 );
    SysTray  = FindWindowEx( TaskBar, 0, L"TrayNotifyWnd", 0 );
    Keyboard = FindWindowEx( SysTray, 0, L"TIPBand", 0 );
                ....
    RegisterHotKey( 
      Win, 'K', MOD_CONTROL | MOD_ALT | MOD_SHIFT | MOD_NOREPEAT, 'K' );
                 ....
    if ( Msg.message == WM_HOTKEY && Msg.wParam == 'K' )
      Launch( L"/Program Files/Common Files/microsoft shared/ink/TabTip.EXE" ),
      PostMessage( Keyboard, WM_LBUTTONDOWN, 0, 0 ),
      PostMessage( Keyboard, WM_LBUTTONUP,   0, 0 );
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              MrChrisV  guicjd9njvrsse7o39ud1u8sjb5pmb7sk7@4ax.com
            FabianRussell  9799db1e-1289-4924-929e-7023c5225995@googlegroups.com
          MrChrisV  p64djd96p3uvi0frbtbob8vfg9tbm427g8@4ax.com
        HughHuntzinger  abf9258e-8184-4fe0-bbc2-2f0c86ec60df@googlegroups.com
      MrChrisV  168kjd1qpr2m2koboocruhon678c1cchvn@4ax.com
    HughHuntzinger  40189621-c240-45e0-9322-236a3379ffff@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.9--9.47pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 10  m77 Top; 1.1 Weeks, GoogleG,  Jul  2 {  7:19am, 2018 }:27^(PDT)  WЯЕɗ
      I, a 58 year old, am doing better than half of my peers.

> Median retirement savings of families between 56 and 61: $17,000"
> cnbc.com/2017/04/07/how-much-the-average-family-has-saved-for-retirement-at-every-age.html

I, a 58 year old, am doing better than half of my peers.

> Personally, I'm just glad to have been lucky enough to have had a good pension
> program that's not (fingers crossed /"yet") been abolished like so many others' have.

Civil servants are FILTHY RICH, compared to me. 
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.9--1.16pm.Seattle.2018
            HughHuntzinger  86f196ef-abc0-4140-87a4-3175a8e71050@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.9--4.04pm.Seattle.2018
        HughHuntzinger  3c634e66-3034-4a48-855a-22e91803fdb4@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.9--7.58pm.Seattle.2018
    HughHuntzinger  c88c39aa-3d01-4bae-adb3-73834c4a6299@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.9--9.33pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 15  m77 Top; 5.5 Minutes, GoogleG, 71.251.44.210,  Jul  9 {  8:15pm, 2018 }:46^(PDT)  WдОϑ
      China's greatest division: father and son.

You (Hugh) replied to me: 
> > You live in a large house, I live in a tiny apartment. 
> > You commute, and jet around the world; I just walk. 
> 
> Oh, so is that what drives the rankings of the likes of chrisv?  /s

Maybe so; he "likes" you, not me.

> > Ironically, you're worried about global warming, not me. 
> 
> Oh, the Earth will survive even without us or our civilization.
> But crashing the world economy will result in a lot of human misery.

Will you be consuming less, then ?

> It’s been quite disheartening to watch healthcare policy
> be systematically evicerated.

Perfection isn't attainable; in many ways, 
capitalism is both Less Bad and More Fun than "communism" (autocracy).

Xi JinPing isn't addressing China's greatest division: father and son.

Kids bypass China's censorship with ease.
The older ones, the parents, won't know what hit them.

Families will be ripped apart, dazed and confused.

Look around the world.  Who breeds more ? the rich or the poor ?
Who raises rich kids ?  _Not_ their parents, I assure you.
Baby Trump was sent off to boarding school ASAP because kids suck.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.9--1.16pm.Seattle.2018
            HughHuntzinger  86f196ef-abc0-4140-87a4-3175a8e71050@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.9--3.25pm.Seattle.2018
        HughHuntzinger  2485c71f-d476-4360-b6cd-444983c6a03f@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.9--6.13pm.Seattle.2018
    HughHuntzinger  44a7ef47-5734-46b1-ae10-9842021d6d35@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.9--8.19pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 15  m76 Top; 1.2 Hours, GoogleG, 71.251.44.210,  Jul  9 {  6:45pm, 2018 }:35^(PDT)  WдϿπ
      No sane person is worried about such minor details.

You (Hugh) replied to me: 
> > No money exchanged hands; so no one, not even a tax auditor, 
> > could properly estimate the dollar value. 
> 
> Irrelevant, for the bartering parties are still required to report, 
> which includes their estimate of value.  Clearly, 
> if the 200 BBQ chicken dinners are lowballed as allegedly worth only $200, 
> any auditor that’s still breathing is going to slam dunk nail them for tax fraud.

No sane person is worried about such minor details;
1099s aren't even stored as "structured/searchable" text.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.9--0.07pm.Seattle.2018
            HughHuntzinger  a0945320-1d69-474d-af9b-1a32538c8fe0@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.9--1.16pm.Seattle.2018
        HughHuntzinger  86f196ef-abc0-4140-87a4-3175a8e71050@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.9--4.04pm.Seattle.2018
    HughHuntzinger  3c634e66-3034-4a48-855a-22e91803fdb4@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.9--7.58pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 15  m75 Top; 32.5 Minutes, GoogleG, 71.251.44.210,  Jul  9 {  5:42pm, 2018 }:  ^(PDT)  Wдϵ0
      Tolerant caregivers.

You (Hugh) replied to me: 
> > Your consumption rate is 100 times greater than mine. 
> 
> Probably not.  As you’ve illustrated with your statements on 
> barter and/or other off-the-book forms of compensation, your 
> total real consumption is apparently higher than your “paper” one.

You live in a large house, I live in a tiny apartment.
You commute, and jet around the world; I just walk.
Ironically, you're worried about global warming, not me. 

> > One may retire by spending less or earning more; 
> > I chose the former, you chose the latter. 
> 
> if someone happens to be willing to pay me well 
> for something I really enjoy, who am I to tell them that they 
> could have paid me less ?  I can repurpose that surplus into my own 
> priorities, be that for benefiting local museums, schools or whatever.

Unintentionally, I've taken countless people off the streets,
babysitting them; PTSD and dementia are common issues.

Money and free housing isn't enough, they need tolerant caregivers,
as many of them drink, smoke, and lash out randomly.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.9--0.07pm.Seattle.2018
            HughHuntzinger  a0945320-1d69-474d-af9b-1a32538c8fe0@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.9--1.16pm.Seattle.2018
        HughHuntzinger  86f196ef-abc0-4140-87a4-3175a8e71050@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.9--3.25pm.Seattle.2018
    HughHuntzinger  2485c71f-d476-4360-b6cd-444983c6a03f@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.9--6.13pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 15  m74 Top; 17.4 Minutes, GoogleG, 71.251.44.210,  Jul  9 {  3:59pm, 2018 }: 8^(PDT)  Wдϕт
      Estimating the dollar value.

You (Hugh) replied to me: 
> > Suppose I treat you to a nice fish roast, out in the woods. 
> > Later, you return the favor, giving me a similar meal. 
> > If I tried to report that, using form-1099b, you'd think I was insane. 
> 
> what if you served 200 members of a chicken farmers annual meeting  
> and the reciprocity was a chicken BBQ for 200 fishmongers ?

No money exchanged hands; so no one, not even a tax auditor,
could properly estimate the dollar value.
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              MrChrisV  pqk6kd5538fmdotdqq4dt158ij1l10msh2@4ax.com
            HughHuntzinger  b1ed98cf-c824-4ec5-bf6c-dba17cbd7703@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.9--0.07pm.Seattle.2018
        HughHuntzinger  a0945320-1d69-474d-af9b-1a32538c8fe0@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.9--1.16pm.Seattle.2018
    HughHuntzinger  86f196ef-abc0-4140-87a4-3175a8e71050@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.9--4.04pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    +Top, 50.3 Minutes, GoogleG, 143.85.5.18,  Jul  9 {  3: 6pm, 2018 }:53^(PDT)  Wдφr
      Your consumption rate is 100 times greater than mine.

You (Hugh) replied to me:
> > "owning" a big home is more expen$$$ive ( and exhausting ),
> > then renting a tiny place in the big city.  
> > How is it that you can't understand this ? !
> 
> I didn't comment because its intuitively obvious that
> if you want more, you'll end up paying more.  

Your consumption rate is 100 times greater than mine. 
One may retire by spending less or earning more;
I chose the former, you chose the latter.
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              .  b1ed98cf-c824-4ec5-bf6c-dba17cbd7703@googlegroups.com
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.9--0.07pm.Seattle.2018
          MrAA  88bb7569-4d80-46c2-91ac-81d97613d2fe@googlegroups.com
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.9--1.58pm.Seattle.2018
      HerbertGlazier  d198e7dd-9a61-4241-9693-fffd480d0b5a@googlegroups.com
    MrAA  73623a15-beec-4c5e-b851-30d2a28cbcf9@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.9--3.54pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m104 Top; 7.7 Minutes, GoogleG, 205.153.48.25,  Jul  9 {  3:32pm, 2018 }:52^(PDT)  Wдϐʬ
      MADD, Mothers Against Drunk Driving.

MrAA to Bert:
> > I spend lots of money + give lots of money to my kids etc.
> 
> So what is your favorite charity, big spender ?

MADD, Mothers Against Drunk Driving. 
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              MrChrisV  pqk6kd5538fmdotdqq4dt158ij1l10msh2@4ax.com
            .  b1ed98cf-c824-4ec5-bf6c-dba17cbd7703@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.9--0.07pm.Seattle.2018
        MrAA  88bb7569-4d80-46c2-91ac-81d97613d2fe@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.9--1.58pm.Seattle.2018
    MrAA  3365d9db-bc67-4130-b9d8-b472e1ec85ba@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.9--3.50pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 2  m104 Top; 8.5 Minutes, GoogleG, 205.153.48.25,  Jul  9 {  3:32pm, 2018 }: 2^(PDT)  Wдϐɺ
      You spend 3 times what I do.

MrAA:
> I spend too much on rent.

I spend my money differently, that's for sure;
I don't drink or eat out.
 
> Other than that, you wouldn't believe how little I spend!

You spend 3 times what I do.
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              MrChrisV  pqk6kd5538fmdotdqq4dt158ij1l10msh2@4ax.com
            HughHuntzinger  b1ed98cf-c824-4ec5-bf6c-dba17cbd7703@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.9--0.07pm.Seattle.2018
        HughHuntzinger  a0945320-1d69-474d-af9b-1a32538c8fe0@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.9--1.16pm.Seattle.2018
    HughHuntzinger  86f196ef-abc0-4140-87a4-3175a8e71050@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.9--3.25pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 15  m73 Top; 7.4 Minutes, GoogleG, 143.85.5.18,  Jul  9 {  3: 6pm, 2018 }:53^(PDT)  Wдφr
      Bartering.

You (Hugh) replied to me:
> > Bartering, like fish for chicken, can't be taxed.
> 
> Not quite.  The IRS states that bartering is taxable income:
> https://www.irs.gov/newsroom/four-facts-about-bartering

Suppose I treat you to a nice fish roast, out in the woods.
Later, you return the favor, giving me a similar meal.

If I tried to report that, using form-1099b,
_everyone_ would think I was insane.
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      HerbertGlazier  1107dcaf-840a-4f11-b585-ac94aec0a033@googlegroups.com
    MrAA  4f5df1d0-84b7-4e79-b47d-3d1a6a0b8049@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.9--2.03pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m98 Top; 21 Secs, GoogleG, 205.153.48.25,  Jul  9 {  1:58pm, 2018 }:54^(PDT)  Wдκд
      Spatial dimensions are virtual, not real.

> There is something fundamentally different about time. 
> In any other dimension I can travel in either direction.
> But in time I can only travel in one direction.
> That makes it completely different!

Unlike time, spatial dimensions are virtual, not real. 
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              Chris_M_Thomasson│invalid_  phopvj$5lh$1@dont-email.me
            Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.35a99490a45f545899428b@news.altopia.com
          MrChrisV  pqk6kd5538fmdotdqq4dt158ij1l10msh2@4ax.com
        .  b1ed98cf-c824-4ec5-bf6c-dba17cbd7703@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.9--0.07pm.Seattle.2018
    MrAA  88bb7569-4d80-46c2-91ac-81d97613d2fe@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.9--1.58pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 3  m97 Top; 8.4 Minutes, GoogleG, 205.153.48.25,  Jul  9 {  1:44pm, 2018 }:40^(PDT)  Wдθʠ
      To get rich, spend less, like Bert and I do.

> > "owning" a big home is more expen$$$ive ( and exhausting ),
> > then renting a tiny place in the big city.  
> 
> True.  But still, I'd rather be rich!

To get rich, spend less, like Bert and I do.
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              Chris_M_Thomasson│invalid_  phopvj$5lh$1@dont-email.me
            Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.35a99490a45f545899428b@news.altopia.com
          MrChrisV  pqk6kd5538fmdotdqq4dt158ij1l10msh2@4ax.com
        HughHuntzinger  b1ed98cf-c824-4ec5-bf6c-dba17cbd7703@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.9--0.07pm.Seattle.2018
    HughHuntzinger  a0945320-1d69-474d-af9b-1a32538c8fe0@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.9--1.16pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 15  m72 Top; 18.1 Minutes, GoogleG, 143.85.5.18,  Jul  9 {   :35pm, 2018 }:51^(PDT)  WдΥჭ
      How, pray tell, could you beat this price ?

You (Hugh) replied to me:
> > How, pray tell, could you beat that price, Hugh ?
> 
> Because IIRC, you're working as the owner's building manager,
> which is value-added to the owner.

Internet is "free" for all 32 tenants, not just me, 
because each person's share is 2.50$ per month ( 80$/32 ).
Unlimited GigaBytes, Blazing fast.
 
Likewise, "owning" a big home is more expen$$$ive ( and exhausting ),
then renting a tiny place in the big city.  

How is it that you can't understand this ? !

> Even if/when its done in an 'off the books' fashion.

Bartering, like fish for chicken, can't be taxed. 
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              HughHuntzinger  91cc94f6-90a2-4efd-a9f8-1bffdcb7d73d@googlegroups.com
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.5--6.29pm.Seattle.2018
          Chris_M_Thomasson│invalid_  phopvj$5lh$1@dont-email.me
        Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.35a99490a45f545899428b@news.altopia.com
      MrChrisV  pqk6kd5538fmdotdqq4dt158ij1l10msh2@4ax.com
    HughHuntzinger  b1ed98cf-c824-4ec5-bf6c-dba17cbd7703@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.9--0.07pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 14  m70 Top; 5 Hours, GoogleG, 143.85.5.18,  Jul  9 {  6: 6am, 2018 }:13^(PDT)  WдʃD
      How, pray tell, could you beat this price ?

> From a big picture, and steady state view, 
> one always has to pay more for renting, 

I pay nothing for my Internet; it's free with rent,
because my share is 2.50$ per month ( 80$/32 ).
How, pray tell, could you beat that price, Hugh ?

Likewise, "owning" a big home is more expen$$$ive ( and exhausting ),
then renting a tiny place in the big city.  

I don't commute.  I walk.  No bus, train or taxi.
I have only cash and job incomes, no liabilities.
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              HerbertGlazier  98654fdf-acce-4e3d-b861-82137faaab03@googlegroups.com
            SamWormley  7efcafde-ce48-4e01-b6c4-8201268cf0dc@googlegroups.com
          HerbertGlazier  dfb6fba9-8a67-421b-886f-53484a310934@googlegroups.com
        MrAA  3a48836b-1a05-44b0-a353-abccdad9bf5f@googlegroups.com
      HerbertGlazier  f8a12f6d-cddb-4b94-bff4-7dfa70151ba4@googlegroups.com
    MrAA  d1680d06-1f70-48e8-857c-f87b92eec422@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.8--2.17pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m91 Top; 23.6 Minutes, GoogleG, 205.153.48.25,  Jul  8 {  1: 3pm, 2018 }:26^(PDT)  Wгюη
      PTSD and dementia are common.

I enjoy 24/7 air conditioning, as cold as I want,
in my private room.  Often, I download GigaBytes of video,
at 27 MegaBits/Sec, and watch them in bed ( at arm's length )
on my ArmMounted, 40 inch, 4k, curved monitor.

Last 12 years, I've taken countless people off the streets,
babysitting them; PTSD and dementia are common issues.
Bert has both.  He's hot, drunk, isolated and homeless.

He told us:
> > > > > 113 F in Anaheim, WOW.
> > > > It's 99 F, 14 degrees cooler.
> > It's 101 F; cold Bud [ 5 cans ] with MSP chips and canned tuna.
> > Not running van engine when going to sleep.
> > 4pm and I'm off to the city library, where it's cool.
> > I've money and $$$$ coming in.
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              mitchrae3323@gmail_com  5681c483-0472-41ca-bd03-d547af2361a3@googlegroups.com
            HerbertGlazier  6c55b5d0-a8a7-48ef-b632-1bfbee549e59@googlegroups.com
          hanson│hanson@quick_net  ph90rk$7o7$1@dont-email.me
        HerbertGlazier  1a289205-e97f-4920-8497-d330179f808c@googlegroups.com
      SamWormley  0954ee65-a12b-41e5-b305-e4b41eaa2dac@googlegroups.com
    MrAA  10f567e5-ff7d-4a03-87b4-5697833f41f3@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.7--5.03pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate, Alt.Atheism
    ╱ 1  m90 Top; 1.2 Hours, GoogleG, 205.153.48.25,  Jul  7 {  3:22pm, 2018 }:56^(PDT)  Wгɧж
      The uncaused cause.

> Big Bang believers think the [known] universe is finite.  I am not so sure.

The unknown universe is infinite.

Still: All of history, every lesson ever, every advance, tells me:

  Randomness is ignorance, nothing more.

Everyone, from the serial killer to his executer, slave and master,
are best viewed under this light (SuperDeterminism), instead of 
assuming "free will" ("the uncaused cause"), à la Christianity.

SuperDeterminism was useful to Einstein, and to me;
it is _not_ useful to The Pope.

You can't prove anything, not ThermoDynamics ( Entropy and eXergy ),
nor General Relativity; in fact, they _contradict_ each other.

The best you can do is:

  - Find it useful ( in its domain ).
  - Try to Falsify it ( in its domain ).

The biggest "loophole" in Bell's Theorem is:

  It implies _perfect_ knowledge;
  yet it's an _Ensemble_ of tests, a series, not just one test,
  like a pollster, asking _10_ people if they'll vote for Hillary or not.

  Correlation does not imply causation.
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              HerbertGlazier  961e7560-7459-4bdc-b1bd-d03c302be914@googlegroups.com
            MrAA  1b926540-90f6-4021-9850-e5d82096399a@googlegroups.com
          HerbertGlazier  bf49aa91-fcc1-4ec0-9721-d755f00c9b02@googlegroups.com
        HerbertGlazier  68d6decf-8bbe-44fd-ad69-2847fa991913@googlegroups.com
      HerbertGlazier  6a6f2230-6931-4cdb-bdf2-76aa7f619be0@googlegroups.com
    MrAA  8acfa52e-f64d-4dce-8a95-e591b0b6fe48@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.7--4.53pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 2  m90 Top; 1.9 Hours, GoogleG, 205.153.48.25,  Jul  7 {  2:39pm, 2018 }:16^(PDT)  WгɠΦ
      Taking the LessBad "option", naturally.

> > dying in bed has been over done, not fun

Just as there's no "good" way to die,
there's no "bad" way to live.

We're consumption machines, exploiting a nitch,
programmed by nature to take the LessBad "option", naturally.
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              .  qmeajd1uifrm1eibir1kva3j858j9hfc39@4ax.com
            .  91cc94f6-90a2-4efd-a9f8-1bffdcb7d73d@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.5--6.29pm.Seattle.2018
        MrAA  471ca6e6-3947-40e4-9ce5-7ecd95ae8fc6@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.6--3.13pm.Seattle.2018
    MrAA  38a34619-f32f-4e5a-8c5e-df1077ccd67f@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.7--4.35pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 6  m90 Top; 1.7 Hours, GoogleG, 205.153.48.25,  Jul  7 {  2:44pm, 2018 }:35^(PDT)  Wгɡʛ
      I'm dead to her.

> I thought you might be worried about your ex-wife dipping into your accounts!

She's quite rich, compared to most; I'm amazingly poor.
I'm dead to her.
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              .  ph1eb6$2ur$1@dont-email.me
            .  5ec5cb13-930a-41f0-abb2-0dae75b79573@googlegroups.com
          .  qmeajd1uifrm1eibir1kva3j858j9hfc39@4ax.com
        .  91cc94f6-90a2-4efd-a9f8-1bffdcb7d73d@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.5--6.29pm.Seattle.2018
    MrAA  471ca6e6-3947-40e4-9ce5-7ecd95ae8fc6@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.6--3.13pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m85 Top; 5 Minutes, GoogleG, 205.153.48.25,  Jul  6 {  3: 2pm, 2018 }:51^(PDT)  Wвυʫ
      Would your 30 year mortage be underwater, if the market dropped ?

> > I have only cash and job incomes, no liabilities.
> 
> Are all your assets off the books?

No, most of it is in banks; I pay income taxes.
I've no LongTerm investments.
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              MrAA  aab19d05-cfa7-43ab-a287-7e770e02b2c6@googlegroups.com
            poraty6@gmail_com  4ce02db0-d9f8-4587-8edc-18b6b4cd10e4@googlegroups.com
          MrAA  c603fa05-c883-434f-9d4b-04fb73d7045c@googlegroups.com
        poraty6@gmail_com  8b458b37-bc7f-42cd-896f-d9a7516c2e67@googlegroups.com
      poraty6@gmail_com  d559463e-299b-4786-9ea9-3e0df0b513f6@googlegroups.com
    MrAA  a3ed4149-0d7e-4522-8ec7-1477e02aa3cc@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.6--3.00pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m83 Top; 3 Minutes, GoogleG, 205.153.48.25,  Jul  6 {  2:52pm, 2018 }:29^(PDT)  WвσЛ
      MrAA is ashamed of his name.

You ( MrAA ) are ashamed of your name.
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              HughHuntzinger  9dae9be4-db50-40ef-85fc-0dca9d512712@googlegroups.com
            MrChrisV  jds7jd1d6b4uikk4eah0g4g3revm8l9hf4@4ax.com
          RonB│ronb02NOSPAM@gmail_com  ph1eb6$2ur$1@dont-email.me
        HughHuntzinger  5ec5cb13-930a-41f0-abb2-0dae75b79573@googlegroups.com
      MrChrisV  qmeajd1uifrm1eibir1kva3j858j9hfc39@4ax.com
    HughHuntzinger  91cc94f6-90a2-4efd-a9f8-1bffdcb7d73d@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.5--7.01pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 26  m73 Top; 1 Weeks, GoogleG, 143.85.5.18,  Jun 28 {  2: 8pm, 2018 }:26^(PDT)  WЭɛʒ
      Baby Trump was sent off to boarding school ASAP because kids suck.

> what age do you wish to be able to be retired by ?  
> Any reason why it wasn't by age 25 ?  

For the most part, I retired at age 28, when my ex dumped me.

Look around the world.  Who's having babies, the rich or the poor ?

Who raises rich kids ?  _Not_ the parents, I assure you.

Baby Trump was sent off to boarding school ASAP because kids suck.
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              HughHuntzinger  9dae9be4-db50-40ef-85fc-0dca9d512712@googlegroups.com
            MrChrisV  jds7jd1d6b4uikk4eah0g4g3revm8l9hf4@4ax.com
          RonB│ronb02NOSPAM@gmail_com  ph1eb6$2ur$1@dont-email.me
        HughHuntzinger  5ec5cb13-930a-41f0-abb2-0dae75b79573@googlegroups.com
      MrChrisV  qmeajd1uifrm1eibir1kva3j858j9hfc39@4ax.com
    HughHuntzinger  91cc94f6-90a2-4efd-a9f8-1bffdcb7d73d@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.5--6.29pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 26  m73 Top; 1 Weeks, GoogleG, 143.85.5.18,  Jun 28 {  2: 8pm, 2018 }:26^(PDT)  WЭɛʒ
      Would your 30 year mortage be underwater, if the market dropped ?

> which is first:  your 50th birthday, or its "fully paid off" date?

Add up the cost of "owning" ( after taxes, regulations and utilities )
a house and give us a monthly cost analysis.

Is it cheaper than renting ?

    I pay nothing for my Internet; it's free with rent,
    because my share is 2.50$ per month ( 80$/32 ).

Is it closer to your job/hobbies ?

    I don't commute.  I walk.  No bus, train or taxi.

Would your 30 year mortage be underwater, if the market dropped ?

    I have only cash and job incomes, no liabilities.
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              MrAA  dee83534-5403-41ae-b3f8-716140c4aef0@googlegroups.com
            poraty6@gmail_com  c9184b4f-69ef-48c9-8e9c-dcf0a86e6884@googlegroups.com
          poraty6@gmail_com  3a8c41d7-f7e5-4a52-bee7-b50e55676112@googlegroups.com
        MrAA  aab19d05-cfa7-43ab-a287-7e770e02b2c6@googlegroups.com
      poraty6@gmail_com  4ce02db0-d9f8-4587-8edc-18b6b4cd10e4@googlegroups.com
    MrAA  c603fa05-c883-434f-9d4b-04fb73d7045c@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.5--5.03pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m83 Top; 38.6 Minutes, GoogleG, 205.153.48.25,  Jul  5 {  4:20pm, 2018 }:47^(PDT)  Wбჯʧ
      Borat is illerate, obviously.

> Physical objects have mass

Borat is illerate, obviously.

Photons have inertia, not "mass" ( rest mass ).
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              AndrzejMatuch  cr25jdhft10ht8qui5v1j3vor09mvgi472@4ax.com
            nospam│nospam@nospam_invalid  260620181546096818%nospam@nospam.invalid
          AndrzejMatuch  ad65jdpin51t5k9derd9j2gddku90pagkv@4ax.com
        Your_Friendly_Neighbourhood_  8ridnT85jLHqIq_GnZ2dnUU7-XnNnZ2d@giganews.com
      AndrzejMatuch  2cu6jd5eoh9u4pkk6qsbc817utkncf5r4c@4ax.com
    HughHuntzinger  23473697-63d4-4abf-91e2-dd52b8a4e34d@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.5--4.50pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 39  m73 Top; 1.2 Weeks, GoogleG, 143.85.5.18,  Jun 27 {  7:11am, 2018 }:10^(PDT)  WЬʍф
      North Korea and Bangladesh are serfdoms ?

> serfdom was effectively just 'slavery lite' using a different name, 
> which was adopted because it was advantageous to the owner 
> (a more profitable structure than having them be household servants, etc).

North Korea and Bangladesh are serfdoms, no ?
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              MrAA  6bfbce9d-2f10-4b00-b5cf-5076c7b374e6@googlegroups.com
            HerbertGlazier  743f8239-e745-4edd-9d08-725f6b7a055f@googlegroups.com
          HerbertGlazier  8e82686f-2e6d-4b0f-a801-f8fa081b2931@googlegroups.com
        MrAA  977f846e-2118-43a0-a8b5-8242891be549@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.28--4.42pm.Seattle.2018
    HerbertGlazier  2177e776-e110-4063-8949-7f9754cf7bad@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.29--3.14pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m243 Dropped; 44.2 Minutes, GoogleG, 74.118.32.5,  Jun 29 {  1:47pm, 2018 }:39^(PDT)  WЭვს
      Everyone rents, everyone pays property taxes.

> > > > photons obey the uncertainty principle.
> > > 
> > > Are you certain?
> > 
> > Only death and taxes are certain.
> 
> GOP Mafia can kill, but I'm certain they pay no taxes.

Everyone rents, everyone pays property taxes.

Rich people buy interesting things, not just food and rent;
they make everyone's life less mundane, less banal.
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              HerbertGlazier  2345c8f1-b47a-409b-a2f3-15a7f1c924f0@googlegroups.com
            HerbertGlazier  9d419ec3-449e-4422-99f6-2b213c009112@googlegroups.com
          MrAA  6bfbce9d-2f10-4b00-b5cf-5076c7b374e6@googlegroups.com
        HerbertGlazier  743f8239-e745-4edd-9d08-725f6b7a055f@googlegroups.com
      HerbertGlazier  8e82686f-2e6d-4b0f-a801-f8fa081b2931@googlegroups.com
    MrAA  977f846e-2118-43a0-a8b5-8242891be549@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.28--4.42pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m80 Top; 1.2 Hours, GoogleG, 205.153.48.25,  Jun 28 {  3:25pm, 2018 }:19^(PDT)  WЭɨɍ
      Only death and taxes are certain.

> > photons obey the uncertainty principle.
> 
> Are you certain?

Only death and taxes are certain.
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    JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.27--0.18pm.Seattle.2018
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.27--1.15pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m126 Top; 55.8 Minutes, X.HTM, HighWinds➤Usenet-News.NET,  Jun 27 {   :18pm, 2018 }:38^(Seattle)  WЬΣc
      HBO's WestWorld Explained.

> HBO's WestWorld Explained

The devil, Delores, is the only _real_ thing, post singularity;
she created a fake angel, Benard, to make herself feel "free".
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.27--0.18pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
      HBO's WestWorld Explained.

HBO's WestWorld Explained:

  Delores is the BlueEyed, RightWing devil.
  Bernard is the BrownEyed, LeftWing angel.
  Bernard created Delores and vice versa.
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      JohnGohde  f96f677b-eba7-40a6-a99a-b2ee9e93c574@googlegroups.com
    AndrzejMatuch  7j22jdd47tn19p2ndgnib7jkqp33esgcj3@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.26--5.35am.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 2  m65 Cool; 20.6 Hours, F_Agent, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Jun 25 {  8:29am, 2018 }:49^(-4)  WЫYძ
      On twitter, Trump is "@realDonaldTrump".

On twitter, Trump is "@realDonaldTrump".
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            .  6740d9484e52bd826021be63cbafc2fa@dizum.com
          ！Nomen_Nescio│nobody@dizum_com  f8aa4c078b4f4366972a7abd2d3c129b@dizum.com
        BotBoy  fp7n9nFo231U1@mid.individual.net
      Nomen_Nescio│nobody@dizum_com  64b0bbd72a2b9a5c92b3f07d750789c7@dizum.com
    AndrzejMatuch  2522jd9rrtvkrhiukoqqrkju7ba843a3qj@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.26--5.20am.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Privacy, Alt.Politics.Usa.Constitution, Alt.Privacy.Anon-Server
    ╱ 5  m65 Cool; 20.7 Hours, F_Agent, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Jun 25 {  8:23am, 2018 }:16^(-4)  WЫXъ
      Big Cities have it all, if you don't mind sharing.

As you (Andrzej) noted, the most popular cities are the most liberal.
Big Cities have it all, if you don't mind sharing.

Contract Negotiation is Trump's raison d'être;
in his mind, he does it better than anyone else.

Make no mistake, "Better" is "LessBad", not perfect.
Some losers blame "the referees" ( the left ),
others blame "the players" ( the right ).
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.26--2.25am.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
      I can't chill...

I can't chill... my badder is allergic to pee.
I can't chill... my throat is allergic to food.
I can't chill... my eyes are allergic to air.
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.22--6.52am.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
      ButtCheek portals.

ButtCheek portals:

    YouTube.COM/watch?v=pvUvOdXiIpM

SideBoob ports would also be nice.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.21--11.36am.Seattle.2018
            BenJacoby  UQUWC.138283$la4.20283@fx10.iad
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.21--3.20pm.Seattle.2018
        onion@anon_invalid(Mr_On!on  1nqrqij.1nk6l6r1b2blwrN%onion@anon.invalid
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.21--4.05pm.Seattle.2018
    onion@anon_invalid(Mr_On!on  1nqrt4l.g1gkpwq4l114N%onion@anon.invalid
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.21--10.34pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m4 Dropped; 5.6 Hours, MacSOUP➤Mac, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jun 21 {  4:25pm, 2018 }:26^(1)  WШϚɖ
      The first goal of ThermoDynamics.

You (onion) replied ( to me ):
> I don't understand [...] eXergy.

Google says:

  "Exergy" is the energy that is _available_ to be used.
  After the system and surroundings reach equilibrium, the exergy is zero.
  Determining exergy was the first goal of thermodynamics.

  "The heat death of the universe" is a plausible ultimate fate 
  of the universe in which the universe has diminished to a state of
  "no thermodynamic free energy" ["no eXergy"] and, therefore,
  can no longer sustain processes that increase entropy.

At the start, there was "no entropy" ("no time, no space"), just "eXergy" 
( a type of energy that can do physical work, force * distance ).

Eventually, this eXergy will be consumed away, replaced with entropy,
leaving us with a uniform heat bath that has all of the energy
but none of the eXergy.  Gravity is residual eXergy.

Everything decays, even gravity; hence the arrow of time.

Einstein's Cosmological Constant ( 1.11 * 10^−52 / Meters^2 ) tells us 
that outer space is growing EXPONENTIALLY, gravity is dying off;
-- i.e. the "Heat Death" predicted by Lord Kelvin, 1852,
   is the most likley outcome.
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              MrChrisV  85ikidl25dbnsic7o39muu8m2ee8sg3do8@4ax.com
            ScottDoty  fp0jahFcaneU5@mid.individual.net
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.21--11.36am.Seattle.2018
        BenJacoby  UQUWC.138283$la4.20283@fx10.iad
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.21--3.20pm.Seattle.2018
    onion@anon_invalid(Mr_On!on  1nqrqij.1nk6l6r1b2blwrN%onion@anon.invalid
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.21--4.05pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m38 Dropped; 32 Secs, MacSOUP➤Mac, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jun 21 {  3:29pm, 2018 }:32^(1)  WШωლ
      Everything decays, even gravity; hence the arrow of time.

You (onion) replied ( to me ):
> > At the start, there was "no entropy" ("no time, no space"), just "eXergy"
> > ( a type of energy that can do physical work, force * distance ).
> > 
> > Eventually, this eXergy will be consumed away, replaced with entropy,
> > leaving us with a uniform heat bath that has all of the energy
> > but none of the eXergy.  Gravity is residual eXergy.
> 
> Did Einstein know this?  Anyway, I'm intrigued, please tell me more.

He (Einstein) should have, I think, but he didn't.
He invented Lambda, Λ, the cosmological constant,
but he couldn't have known it was   1.11 * 10^−52 / Meters^2  .

This number indicates that the space between galaxies
is growing at an EXPONENTIAL rate, gravity is dying off;
-- i.e. the "Heat Death" predicted by Lord Kelvin, 1852,
   is the most likley outcome.

Everything decays, even gravity; hence the arrow of time.
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              MrChrisV  nsciiddckenudd3bq31v25iftil8vesii4@4ax.com
            BenJacoby  8feWC.318833$ll2.1437@fx35.iad
          MrChrisV  85ikidl25dbnsic7o39muu8m2ee8sg3do8@4ax.com
        ScottDoty  fp0jahFcaneU5@mid.individual.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.21--11.36am.Seattle.2018
    BenJacoby  UQUWC.138283$la4.20283@fx10.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.21--3.20pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m85 Dropped; 11.4 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, HighWinds,  Jun 21 {  2:33pm, 2018 }:39^(-4)  WШπτ
      It's my fault.

You (Ben) replied ( to me ):
> > Some losers blame "the left" ("the refs"),
> > others blame "the right" ("capitalist pigs").
> > Referees are the LessBad "option"; perfection is out of reach.
> 
> Talk and theft is all you understand.

Right, it's my fault, loser.

We're programmed to take the LessBad "option", naturally.

At the start, there was "no entropy" ("no time, no space"), just "eXergy" 
( a type of energy that can do physical work, force * distance ).

Eventually, this eXergy will be consumed away, replaced with entropy,
leaving us with a uniform heat bath that has all of the energy
but none of the eXergy.  Gravity is residual eXergy.
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              MrChrisV  olrhidpepk9ngh0nh61int1l24fbbpcpdg@4ax.com
            RonB│ronb02NOSPAM@gmail_com  pgb9cg$ei8$1@dont-email.me
          ScottDoty  fotlupFq8fdU1@mid.individual.net
        Stumpee_McGee│stumpeemcgee49  1obnfzayiym4z$.4lec0ijsla0p.dlg@40tude.net
      RonB│ronb02NOSPAM@gmail_com  pge0ss$3b3$1@dont-email.me
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.21--11.56am.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 4  m15 Cool; 23.8 Hours, 40tude, Individual.NET,  Jun 20 { 11:16am, 2018 }:50^(-4)  WЧма
      I _never_ get MalWare, decade after decade, because I'm not stoopid.

> the typical Windows scratch install is a total nightmare
> and takes forever.    And that's just the OS.
> The real "fun" begins with installing the applications.

Currently, I'm running the latest update, Windows 10.
I run Windows Update, and Windows Defender, once a year.

The rest of the year, 364 days, I run no MalWare checks, no updates.
I _never_ get MalWare, decade after decade, because I'm not stoopid.

Windows Update TRASHES most of my settings,
and it "updates" FireFox too, destroying my settings.

I know the drill; I restore everything, all my settings.
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              BotBoy  fosoa6Fkth5U2@mid.individual.net
            Your_Friendly_Neighbourhood_  1oadnfokjN-9s7TGnZ2dnUU7-X_NnZ2d@giganews.com
          MrChrisV  nsciiddckenudd3bq31v25iftil8vesii4@4ax.com
        BenJacoby  8feWC.318833$ll2.1437@fx35.iad
      MrChrisV  85ikidl25dbnsic7o39muu8m2ee8sg3do8@4ax.com
    ScottDoty  fp0jahFcaneU5@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.21--11.36am.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m56 Cool; 14.9 Hours, Pan, Individual.NET,  Jun 20 {  8:11pm, 2018 }:13  WШVч
      Somali pirates tax ships, as (para)governments do.

Some losers blame "the left" ("the refs"),
others blame "the right" ("capitalist pigs").

Referees are the LessBad "option"; perfection is out of reach.

Somali pirates tax ships, as (para)governments do.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.19--8.08am.Seattle.2018
            Your_Friendly_Neighbourhood_  9pWdnVL17LJwgrTGnZ2dnUU7-THNnZ2d@giganews.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.19--8.53am.Seattle.2018
        Your_Friendly_Neighbourhood_  BpqdnY5di580tbTGnZ2dnUU7-RHNnZ2d@giganews.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.19--5.28pm.Seattle.2018
    Your_Friendly_Neighbourhood_  kKKdnW8O6Y6ZPLTGnZ2dnUU7-aPNnZ2d@giganews.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.20--1.40am.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m22 Dropped; 7.7 Hours, 2550_25!_LOL!_https:∥www_, Giganews.COM,  Jun 19 {  5:34pm, 2018 }:12^(-5)  WЧɽϺ
      When sane, you prefer the LessBad "option", not perfection.

> > Nevermind me, I worry about "you" ( the mainstream ).
> > Not one of Karl Marx's 8 kids did well.
> 
> not many people did well 100 years ago 
> when the robber barons started their capitalist empires
> built on the back of the worker.

Innovation didn't come from PreCapitalist China, Cuba, and North Korea;
no, it came from capitalism, not Marxism.

> would you put marx's [sic] descendants in a cage, in a wal-mart ?

When sane, you prefer the LessBad "option", not perfection.
The " I know better than the market; every detail, always "
concept is what's wrong with feminists and communists.

The only difference between us and "stars/cars/monkeys"
is how and what we consume... our nitch.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.19--8.53am.Seattle.2018
            BotBoy  fosniaFkpalU1@mid.individual.net
          BenJacoby  0ZdWC.286418$Hv4.283570@fx39.iad
        Your_Friendly_Neighbourhood_  rY2dnfJ4nPcQ8rTGnZ2dnUU7-WXNnZ2d@giganews.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.19--6.14pm.Seattle.2018
    ScottDoty  fotvi6FrrctU1@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.19--11.35pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    +-, 2.4 Hours, Pan, Individual.NET,  Jun 19 {  8:21pm, 2018 }:42  WЧʙχ
      Does "Bell's Inequality" require perfect knowledge ?

Quoting Anton Zeilinger ( modified by me, for clarity ):

  We implicitly assume  " the freedom of the experimentalist "
  [ a.k.a. " the uncaused cause " ]... otherwise,
  nature determines what our questions are, obscuring our view.

Yeah, our vision isn't perfect... so what ?
Does "Bell's Inequality" require perfect knowledge ?

Perfection was never the goal;
instead, we prefer the LessBad "option",
and we can't change what we prefer.

We're  " natural robots ", programmed by nature
to exploit our nitch, to consume, like the sun, or a car.

At the start, there was no entropy, just infinite eXergy/density. 
[ eXergy is a type of energy that can do physical work, force * distance ]
And, because " Time == Entropy ", there was no time on the clock then.

Eventually, this eXergy will be consumed away, replaced with entropy;
leaving us with a uniform heat bath that has all of the energy
but none of the eXergy.  Gravity is residual exergy.
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      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.19--4.48am.Seattle.2018
    MrAA  234973e8-66bc-4f7c-9e6e-5bc4cef2b5bb@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.19--6.24pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 5  m73 Top; 2.9 Hours, GoogleG, 205.153.48.25,  Jun 19 {  2:12pm, 2018 }:24^(PDT)  WЧɜO
      "Marxism" is a euphemism for "Feudalism".

> Vladimir Lenin followed essentially [ the same lifestyle as Marx (?!) ],
> and yet rose to absolute power in Russia!

Karl Marx wasn't the supreme ruler, like Lenin and JongUn.

"Marxism" is a euphemism for "Feudalism".
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.19--8.08am.Seattle.2018
            Your_Friendly_Neighbourhood_  9pWdnVL17LJwgrTGnZ2dnUU7-THNnZ2d@giganews.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.19--8.53am.Seattle.2018
        TheSnitBot  fosniaFkpalU1@mid.individual.net
      BenJacoby  0ZdWC.286418$Hv4.283570@fx39.iad
    Your_Friendly_Neighbourhood_  rY2dnfJ4nPcQ8rTGnZ2dnUU7-WXNnZ2d@giganews.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.19--6.14pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m16 Dropped; 3.1 Hours, 2550_25!_LOL!_https:∥www_, Giganews.COM,  Jun 19 {  2: 3pm, 2018 }: 9^(-5)  WЧɚΞ
      SuperDeterminism is a better religion.

> whatever happened to slavery ?

It's alive and well, thank you very much.

General Relativity's four dimensional TimeScape is static, eternal, 
perfectly causal... it is, at once, everything _and_ nothing.
All of history, every lesson ever, every advance, tells me:

  Randomness is ignorance, nothing more.

Everyone, from the serial killer to his executer, slave and master,
are best viewed under this light (SuperDeterminism), instead of 
assuming "free will" ("the uncaused cause"), à la Christianity.

SuperDeterminism is a better religion;
"God" is nature, nothing more, nothing less.

We simply prefer the LessBad "option",
and we can't change what we prefer.

The only difference between us and "stars/cars/monkeys"
is how and what we consume... our nitch.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.19--8.53am.Seattle.2018
            TheSnitBot  fosniaFkpalU1@mid.individual.net
          Your_Friendly_Neighbourhood_  qeudnZmheIEftLTGnZ2dnUU7-SPNnZ2d@giganews.com
        TheSnitBot  fosoa6Fkth5U2@mid.individual.net
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    MrChrisV  nsciiddckenudd3bq31v25iftil8vesii4@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.19--5.53pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m28 Dropped; 7.2 Hours, F_Agent, HighWinds➤Fastusenet.ORG,  Jun 19 {  9:55am, 2018 }:31^(-5)  WЧnɛ
      Looking in the mirror, they shout "racist".

> today, we have right-wing propagandists, like "benj",
> claiming that the left regards places like North Korea
> as a "socialist paradise".

No, it's BlueEyed Norway that they praise.
Looking in the mirror, they shout "racist".
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.19--8.08am.Seattle.2018
            Your_Friendly_Neighbourhood_  9pWdnVL17LJwgrTGnZ2dnUU7-THNnZ2d@giganews.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.19--8.53am.Seattle.2018
        TheSnitBot  fosniaFkpalU1@mid.individual.net
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.19--5.47pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 3  m299 Dropped; 7.9 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Mac, Individual.NET,  Jun 19 {  9:11am, 2018 }:50^(-7)  WЧfწ
      Marxism is a cancerous blob hanging off the face of Feminism.

> They're trying to tie anyone on the left to him [Marx], 
> which makes no sense at all.

You got that right, BotBoy.
Marxism is a cancerous blob hanging off the face of Feminism.

The " I know better than the market; every detail, always "
concept is what's wrong with feminists and communists.
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              Your_Friendly_Neighbourhood_  GLqdnQy5j6ZmjbTGnZ2dnUU7-N3NnZ2d@giganews.com
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.19--8.08am.Seattle.2018
          Your_Friendly_Neighbourhood_  9pWdnVL17LJwgrTGnZ2dnUU7-THNnZ2d@giganews.com
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.19--8.53am.Seattle.2018
      TheSnitBot  fosniaFkpalU1@mid.individual.net
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.19--5.36pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 4  m16 Dropped; 8.1 Hours, 2550_25!_LOL!_https:∥www_, Giganews.COM,  Jun 19 {  9: 4am, 2018 }:18^(-5)  WЧeА
      Marxism didn't work for Marx himself, nor anyone else.

You ("Your Friendly"[sic]) keep mentioning:
> [Marx's] scientific and reasoned sociological 
> and economic principles

Correlation does not imply causation.
Marxism didn't work for Marx himself, nor anyone else.
Not one of his 8 kids did well.

The " I know better than the market; every detail, always "
concept is what's wrong with feminists and communists.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.19--4.48am.Seattle.2018
            Your_Friendly_Neighbourhood_  GLqdnQy5j6ZmjbTGnZ2dnUU7-N3NnZ2d@giganews.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.19--8.08am.Seattle.2018
        Your_Friendly_Neighbourhood_  9pWdnVL17LJwgrTGnZ2dnUU7-THNnZ2d@giganews.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.19--8.53am.Seattle.2018
    Your_Friendly_Neighbourhood_  BpqdnY5di580tbTGnZ2dnUU7-RHNnZ2d@giganews.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.19--5.28pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 5  m16 Dropped; 8.1 Hours, 2550_25!_LOL!_https:∥www_, Giganews.COM,  Jun 19 {  9:  am, 2018 }:41^(-5)  WЧef
      Not one of Karl Marx's 8 kids did well.

You ("Your Friendly"[sic]) replied ( to me ):
> > Karl Marx's predictions were wrong, obviously.
> > The " I know better than the market; every detail, always "
> > concept is what's wrong with feminists and communists.
> 
> if his predictions are "wrong" as you say, 
> then you have absolutely nothing to worry about.

Nevermind me, I worry about "you" ( the mainstream ).

Not one of Karl Marx's 8 kids did well.
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          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.19--4.48am.Seattle.2018
        Your_Friendly_Neighbourhood_  GLqdnQy5j6ZmjbTGnZ2dnUU7-N3NnZ2d@giganews.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.19--8.08am.Seattle.2018
    Your_Friendly_Neighbourhood_  9pWdnVL17LJwgrTGnZ2dnUU7-THNnZ2d@giganews.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.19--8.53am.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m11 Dropped; 58 Secs, 2550_25!_LOL!_https:∥www_, Giganews.COM,  Jun 19 {  8:23am, 2018 }:25^(-5)  WЧXდ
      Marx lied.

You ("Your Friendly"[sic]) wrote:
> marx [sic] was a sociologist who predicted the ways that economies evolve

Karl Marx's predictions were wrong, obviously.
The " I know better than the market; every detail, always "
concept is what's wrong with feminists and communists.

Four of Karl's kids died in childhood; two committed suicide;  
Frederick Demuth ( a child of rape ? ) was abandoned,
left in abject povery.  Marx lied.

If this is what you want, follow him.

Also, if you _need_ to believe that everything is coming to an end;
Marxist Jim Jones has some Kool Aid for you, kook.
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      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.19--4.48am.Seattle.2018
    Your_Friendly_Neighbourhood_  GLqdnQy5j6ZmjbTGnZ2dnUU7-N3NnZ2d@giganews.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.19--8.08am.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m10 Dropped; 44.4 Minutes, 2550_25!_LOL!_https:∥www_, Giganews.COM,  Jun 19 {  7:19am, 2018 }:39^(-5)  WЧNɣ
      Karl Marx lived it.

> > Marx tried to convince his wife that the horribly abandoned
> > child had been fathered by his friend Engels;
> > so we can add "liar" to his description.
> 
> did ayn rand write that?

No, Karl Marx lived it.
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.19--4.48am.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
      Does this sound familiar ?

From "Redice.TV" (modified):

  Marx and [ Jenny, his wife ] came from comfortable homes; 
  she was already well educated when they married.

  Together, they had 7 children; three survived to adulthood;
  every biography of Marx reports that [ they died of poverty ].

  Marx occasionally wrote about the ’struggle’ of workers, 
  but he never worked a day in his life; instead, he sat in his 
  pig-sty and found all sorts of reasons to not work.

  Mainly, he thought he was too important to work.

  A slave needs a master, and a master needs a slave, he wrote.

  As it happened, Jenny received an inheritance and, so,
  she hired a housekeeper to oversee their better quarters.
  His eighth child was born to the housekeeper (willingly?).

  Marx tried to convince his wife that
  the child had been fathered by his friend Engels,
  but she didn’t believe him.

  So we can add "liar" to his description.
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.18--9.25pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
      Everyone, including Trump, is someone's bitch.

Everyone, including Trump, is someone's bitch.
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              TheSnitBot  foq9jeF6l4dU1@mid.individual.net
            SteveCarroll  ab4bd6af-bbe3-49f6-98a7-933693e1ae1a@googlegroups.com
          TheSnitBot  foqfitF7qi7U1@mid.individual.net
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    Whistle_Blower│wbedward@gmail_  pg97ts$914$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.18--6.55pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 4  m9 Shifty; 4.2 Hours, Pan, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jun 18 {  2:24pm, 2018 }:13  WЦοD
      Is a woman "lying" when she spends thousands on cosmetic surgery ?

Is a woman "lying" when she spends thousands on cosmetic surgery,
clothes, concealer, lipstick, wigs and eyelashes ?
when she marches on Washington, protesting Trump ?

If not, then Mike isn't a lier.
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        HerbertGlazier  528dceda-88de-4b2f-992b-81b7fd6ed7f4@googlegroups.com
      HerbertGlazier  d30fbca8-101a-4d7b-a0a9-d5ecee3d2268@googlegroups.com
    MrAA  37707447-0113-4e55-b459-f4ecd6b6fd6c@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.18--6.16pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m70 Top; 4.1 Hours, GoogleG, 205.153.48.25,  Jun 18 {  1:26pm, 2018 }:30^(PDT)  WЦεʖ
      Who won the great "Einstein vs. Bohr" debate ?

> The Nobel Prize in Physics 1922 was awarded to Niels Bohr 
> " for his services in the investigation of the structure 
>   of atoms and of the radiation emanating from them ".

Who won the great "Einstein vs. Bohr" debate ?

Bohr kissed Stockholm's ass;
in contrast, Einstein traveled the world, anywhere but Stockholm;
he didn't even mention the Nobel ceremony in his personal diaries.
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              BenJacoby  dUXUC.324135$yc1.246936@fx40.iad
            HerbertGlazier  e8db5b68-f7f7-4e67-b7ea-74856d6591f6@googlegroups.com
          HerbertGlazier  ef06765f-e337-4d47-904d-4f50d0855629@googlegroups.com
        MrAA  1a69d846-9361-414f-8d9f-88af8e221e08@googlegroups.com
      HerbertGlazier  947be3ef-46ca-46cd-b9e2-3c1918d42b7c@googlegroups.com
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.18--5.48pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╳ 3  m70 Top; 4.3 Hours, GoogleG, 205.153.48.25,  Jun 18 {  1:15pm, 2018 }:25^(PDT)  WЦγζ
      The Apple Watch lasts 3 hours before you have to take it off.

> > I'm working on a ["I'm dead"] alarm
> 
> I think the Apple Watch already does that.

With the heart rate sensor on, the Apple Watch lasts 6.5 hours.

With the phone app, it's 3 hours before you have to take it off.
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              BenJacoby  UsdUC.127835$%s2.13422@fx18.iad
            Odd_Bodkin│bodkinodd@gmail_com  pfroj0$5qi$1@gioia.aioe.org
          BenJacoby  XNdUC.220878$o43.177515@fx33.iad
        Odd_Bodkin│bodkinodd@gmail_com  pfrqsq$aja$1@gioia.aioe.org
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.15--1.16am.Seattle.2018
    BenJacoby  7RQUC.163929$wG5.3619@fx02.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.15--2.40pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 2  m467 Dropped; 5 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, HighWinds,  Jun 15 {  8:22am, 2018 }:41^(-4)  WФʙЧ
      Repressed Christians fuck the most, and science isn't their friend.

> where I went to school the chances of your dick thinking about 
> anything but staying in your pants while you did your homework was zero.

WorldWide, Kids are the domain the poorest, and least educated.

Repressed Christians fuck the most, and science isn't their friend.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.12--0.03pm.Seattle.2018
            EdProchak  abb07276-78f6-4088-837b-3f62857a81ef@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.13--2.46pm.Seattle.2018
        EdProchak  8f68bddf-3f06-4950-8b02-64056efc498e@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.15--0.44am.Seattle.2018
    EdProchak  4c0e1cfd-a19d-4bde-a977-edbdbadb0cf9@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.15--1.46pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 2  m43 Top; 7.5 Hours, GoogleG, 40.135.194.44,  Jun 15 {  5:49am, 2018 }:17^(PDT)  WФʀɅ
      MostChristian != BestChristian

> > The most "Christian" person I've ever met
> > was a violent, alcoholic, thieving junkie;
> > so, yeah, one _can_ play on both sides of the field at once.
> 
> You had a very poor life if that was the best Christian you ever met.

MostChristian != BestChristian
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              BenJacoby  1LaUC.394426$nq5.80898@fx36.iad
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          BenJacoby  UsdUC.127835$%s2.13422@fx18.iad
        Odd_Bodkin│bodkinodd@gmail_com  pfroj0$5qi$1@gioia.aioe.org
      BenJacoby  XNdUC.220878$o43.177515@fx33.iad
    Odd_Bodkin│bodkinodd@gmail_com  pfrqsq$aja$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.15--1.16am.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics
    ╳ 2  m93 Cool; 1.5 Days, NewsTap➤iPhone, Aioe.ORG,  Jun 13 {   :22pm, 2018 }: 3  WУȿϱ
      Ben, like most of us, thinks with his dick.

Ben, like most of us, thinks with his dick;
oddly, it's enough to get you a master's degree.
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              BenJacoby  G%DTC.341598$DS3.59869@fx42.iad
            ScottDoty  foad54F6f3uU2@mid.individual.net
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.12--0.03pm.Seattle.2018
        EdProchak  abb07276-78f6-4088-837b-3f62857a81ef@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.13--2.46pm.Seattle.2018
    EdProchak  8f68bddf-3f06-4950-8b02-64056efc498e@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.15--0.44am.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 4  m45 Top; 4.7 Hours, GoogleG, 40.135.194.44,  Jun 14 {  8:20am, 2018 }:38^(PDT)  WУПʞ
      Sex toys/dolls.

You (Ed) replied:
> > " It is one of the great realizations of   Immanuel Kant   that
> >   the setting up of a real external world would be senseless
> >   without this comprehensibility.  "  -- Einstein.
> 
> even Albert can fall into a tauntology [sic], on occasion.

This, "The Anthropic Principle", is a _useful_ tautology.

> But we are slowly coming to realize that there can be
> a real external world out there, but that does not mean
> or guarantee that it has to be compresensible.

SuperDeterminism is a better religion;
"God" is nature, nothing more, nothing less.

" The Universe is knowable " - Neil deGrasse Tyson:
    YouTube.COM/watch?v=3sAav37h4os

> > Who's trying to "prove" SuperDeterminism ? not me.
> 
> [ Why do you assert SuperDeterminism so much ? ]

Everyone, from the serial killer to his executer, slave and master,
are best viewed under this light (SuperDeterminism), instead of 
assuming "free will" ("the uncaused cause"), à la Christianity.

We simply prefer the LessBad "option",
and we can't change what we prefer.

Ted Bundy wanted (female) sex dolls;
Jeffrey Dahmer wanted (male) sex dolls;
the killing was incidental.

Learning that, knowing that, is better than assuming
that Satan got to them, and that they needed Christ.
Today, Mildred, one can _buy_ sex toys/dolls.

The only difference between us and "stars/cars/monkeys"
is how and what we consume... our nitch.

> > You're on Team Pope, not Team Einstein.  Enjoy your silly hat.
> 
> I'm on team Pope and team Einstein.
> They play not just different leagues, but in different sports!

The most "Christian" person I've ever met
was a violent, alcoholic, thieving junkie;
so, yeah, one _can_ play on both sides of the field at once.

> > General Relativity is _not_ incomplete, SemiRandom 
> > -- intrinsically misleading.  The 4-D TimeScape is static,
> > both everything _and_ nothing.
> 
> Conjecture.  It is one view of relativity, and not uncommon.

At the start, there was no entropy, just infinite eXergy/density. 
[ eXergy is a type of energy that can do physical work, force * distance ]
And, because " Time == Entropy ", there was no time on the clock then.

Eventually, this eXergy will be consumed away, replaced with entropy;
leaving us with a uniform heat bath that has all of the energy
but none of the eXergy.  Gravity is the "memory" of where the stuff was.
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    MrAA  3472f39c-f237-450c-b24b-b9b3bc779fc5@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.14--4.47pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 4  m62 Top; 1.9 Hours, GoogleG, 205.153.50.5,  Jun 14 {  2:11pm, 2018 }:42^(PDT)  WУკფ
      Poor people are quite happy.

> Einstein Hated the Chinese !
> 
> The Chinese he described as an  “ industrious, dirty, numbed people ” 
> and that  “it would be a pity if these Chinese were to 
>   push out all other races.  For the likes of us 
>   the mere thought is unspeakably boring.”

India's povery embarrassed him, but it shouldn't have;
poor people are quite happy.

He preferred Japan over those "Nobel" idiots, in Stockholm;
but he felt they were more into art than science.
Japan funded his trip; so he was kinda wrong.

Japan and China's ability to squat is amazing (!);
they don't need chairs.  This is hard on Europeans.

China is super intelligent, but he didn't know that;
so, to him, it was boring.

" May you live in interesting times "
-- Ancient Chinese Saying ( supposedly, but not in fact ).
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.14--10.43am.Seattle.2018
            SteveCarroll  ec57385f-9c3b-4655-a39d-79f3a445ae08@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.14--11.02am.Seattle.2018
        BranimirMaksimovic  oTyUC.273857$Hc3.12659@fx30.am4
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.14--0.54pm.Seattle.2018
    BranimirMaksimovic  zRzUC.369161$Vm6.234201@fx45.am4
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.14--1.18pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m56 Cool; 5.3 Minutes, slrn➤Linux, HighWinds➤Usenet-News.NET,  Jun 14 {  1: 2pm, 2018 }:39  WУюʟ
      I pay nothing, zero.

> > > I have AC58U Asus, got it yesterday.
> >
> > 62$US !  the routers I tossed were 200$ each, 6+ years ago.
> >
> > My Asus ROG ac5300 router costs 425$, after 10% tax, at Amazon;
> > it's a Quad Core, with 8 MuMiMo antennas, and 8 LAN Ports.
> >
> > The ac5300 tells me how many gigs each "device|site" is consuming, 
> > over days/weeks/months, and the BitRate.
> 
> For that money it should cook lunch ;)
> But I wait for proper open firmware support 
> and, voilà, same thing on cheap router ;)

You'll be LongDead before then, I think.

> 100/6 bandwidth limit, no data cap.
> 6 msecs ping.   I pay 20 euros.

Not bad, but I pay nothing, zero.
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            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.13--2.36am.Seattle.2018
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.14--10.43am.Seattle.2018
        SteveCarroll  ec57385f-9c3b-4655-a39d-79f3a445ae08@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.14--11.02am.Seattle.2018
    BranimirMaksimovic  oTyUC.273857$Hc3.12659@fx30.am4
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.14--0.54pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m55 Cool; 21.7 Minutes, slrn➤Linux, HighWinds➤Usenet-News.NET,  Jun 14 { 11:56am, 2018 }:20  WУуʌ
      Which sites are being accessed, at what BitRate.

> > Is my LinkSys AC1900 ( EA6900 ) fucked up ?
> > Should I trash it ?  We'll see.
> 
> Change cable. I got problems with bad cable from wall to modem, some 6
> months ago.  If modem is ok then cable from router to modem or router to
> your computer.  Ping router what you get?  Jitter or lost packets?

I was using two of those AC1900 routers;
they're in the dumpster now.

Quality cables help a lot, but this wasn't the problem.
The routers were just bad; WiFi or wired, the result was the same.

> I have AC58U Asus, got it yesterday.

62$US !  the routers I tossed were 200$ each, 6+ years ago.

My Asus ROG ac5300 router costs 425$, after 10% tax, at Amazon;
it's a Quad Core, with 8 MuMiMo antennas, and 8 LAN Ports.

The ac5300 tells me how many gigs each "device|site" is consuming, 
over days/weeks/months, and the BitRate.

> speedtest.xfinity.com/results/JIEWEMS5L5Y93UT

How much does it cost ? 
who's paying for it ?
and is there a data cap ?

I have no cap ( unlimited Gigs ) and a 8 MiliSec ping;
yours is 277 MiliSecs.  My landlord pays for it, 85$/month;
it's Business Class, so a repairman comes in less than 24 hours.

My xFinity modem/router is brand new.
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        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.13--2.36am.Seattle.2018
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.14--10.43am.Seattle.2018
    SteveCarroll  ec57385f-9c3b-4655-a39d-79f3a445ae08@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.14--11.02am.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m435 Mad; 2.5 Minutes, GoogleG,  Jun 14 { 10:51am, 2018 }: 6^(PDT)  WУиΛ
      Is my LinkSys AC1900 ( EA6900 ) fucked up ?

> What did you do, exactly?

I failed to restore the wire after testing the LinkSys router;
then forgot about it.

It really, really slowed things down; big time.

I went from watching tons of 4k videos to 
waiting 5 minutes to get 1 minute of LowRes (360p) video.

Pages were taking an eternity to load.

Is my LinkSys AC1900 ( EA6900 ) fucked up ?
Should I trash it ?  We'll see.
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    .  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.13--2.36am.Seattle.2018
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.14--10.43am.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
      My LinkSys AC1900 ( EA6900 ) router horror story.

Oops, I wrote:
> R.I.P. Net Neutrality, June 11th, 2018. 
> Apparently, someone, somewhere is throttling my YouTube now;
> it takes 5 minutes to download 1 minute.

I was wired to a LinkSys AC1900 ( EA6900 ) router, and didn't know it.

"xFinity Speed Test" shows:
On Router:    1.6 / 3.7 ( down / up, MegaBits/Sec )
On Modem:    27.2 / 5.9
Rebooting didn't help; router settings are at the default.

It's like night and day, dialup vs broadband !
Now, YouTube is happy to give me 40+ MegaBit/Sec peaks.
Pages load much, _much_ faster.
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              HughHuntzinger  7c4a2dd2-357f-49af-9b0a-93e9d2a11267@googlegroups.com
            Owl  480a0b.auh3io24@rooftop.invalid
          HughHuntzinger  823d1179-fbc2-4243-93e4-b68106b52e23@googlegroups.com
        Owl  9bh89q3t3.th@rooftop.invalid
      MrChrisV  sal4idp5v2vbeetv7pg3nu3pe8pveti34k@4ax.com
    HughHuntzinger  0ec50d96-1739-4532-bfa9-a6979aa079a2@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.14--9.48am.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m35 Top; 3.9 Hours, GoogleG, 143.85.5.18,  Jun 14 {  5:16am, 2018 }: 2^(PDT)  WУϰϰ
      Seattle.

Hugh mentioned:
> nice cars,

My city (Seattle) has more and better stuff, for less;
here, cars don't make sense.

> vacations,

Nothing beats the internet, from the comfort of home.

> a second house,

It's nicer and cheaper to rent a room.

> maxed out 401(k).  

Not as secure as public housing ( for the poor and elderly ).
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            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.11--2.32pm.Seattle.2018
          BenJacoby  G%DTC.341598$DS3.59869@fx42.iad
        ScottDoty  foad54F6f3uU2@mid.individual.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.12--0.03pm.Seattle.2018
    EdProchak  abb07276-78f6-4088-837b-3f62857a81ef@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.13--2.46pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 9  m41 Top; 28.5 Minutes, GoogleG, 40.135.194.44,  Jun 13 {  9: 3am, 2018 }: 7^(PDT)  WУeΜ
      Enjoy your silly hat.

You ( Ed Prochak ) replied ( to me ):
> > You can't prove anything, not ThermoDynamics ( Entropy and eXergy ),
> > nor General Relativity; in fact, they _contradict_ each other.
> > 
> > The best you can do is:
> > 
> >   - Find it useful ( in its domain ).
> >   - Try to Falsify it ( in its domain ).
> 
> Rant about indeterminism all you want. 
> Those rants will not prove the universe is deterministic. 

Who's trying to "prove" it ? not me.

> > SuperDeterminism was useful to Einstein and me;
> > it is _not_ useful to you and The Pope.
> 
> Assuming determinism at the quantum level is not useful.

Fine, you're on Team Pope, not Team Einstein.
Enjoy your silly hat.

> > P.S. The biggest "loophole" in Bell's Theorem is:
> > 
> >   It's an _Ensemble_ of tests, a series, not just one test,
> >   like a pollster, asking _10_ people if they'll vote for Hillary or not;
> >   it's incomplete, SemiRandom -- intrinsically, it's misleading.
> 
> All scientific theories are supported by
> "an _Ensemble_ of tests, a series, not just one test".

General Relativity is _not_ incomplete, SemiRandom 
-- intrinsically misleading.  The 4-D TimeScape is static,
both everything _and_ nothing.

> > " The Universe is knowable " - Neil deGrasse Tyson, on YouTube.
> 
> << One may say
>    " the eternal mystery of the world is its comprehensibility "  >>
> 
>     -- Albert Einstein, 1936, in  " Physics and Reality ".

" One may say "...

As his next sentence, Einstein wrote:

  It is one of the great realizations of   Immanuel Kant   that
  the setting up of a real external world would be senseless
  without this comprehensibility.

     -- Albert Einstein, 1936, in  " Physics and Reality ".
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      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.13--2.36am.Seattle.2018
    BenJacoby  ipaUC.435515$PE5.207592@fx37.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.13--9.18am.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m67 Dropped; 22.5 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, HighWinds,  Jun 13 {  8: 5am, 2018 }:50^(-4)  WУUწ
      I identify as a 25 year old; deep down, I feel 25.

> youtube.com/watch?v=KbEPnY6ihPE

From the comments section:

  - Always use the wrong bathroom and,
    if anyone calls you out on it, call them a bigot. 

  - Child:  Hello Sir, I'd like to buy the ar15 on the shelf behind you.

    Shop Owner:  Be off with you, son, you're only 12.

    Child:  But I identify as a 25 year old; deep down, I feel 25.

    Shop Owner:  Oh, apologies, here you go. 
       How many boxes of ammunition would you like with that ?
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              MrChrisV  ampshdtl2pbfjejcjt17htbaoocclnouku@4ax.com
            HughHuntzinger  1fada558-6bfb-4b4e-9263-4b1cdbdad03f@googlegroups.com
          MrChrisV  na5thdh4tkl5da0j275v2498eubfrmblnd@4ax.com
        HughHuntzinger  11dc0361-233f-4cb8-b0da-70844d5a30d8@googlegroups.com
      MrChrisV  bddvhdhe3aor0bvjtfg36ifs5vokj66foa@4ax.com
    HughHuntzinger  ba49f8be-6139-4836-8b66-5ede93569c5f@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.13--2.44am.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m32 Top; 13.7 Hours, GoogleG, 143.85.5.18,  Jun 12 {   :56pm, 2018 }:11^(PDT)  WТΩʃ
      Hugh vs. Chris; no contest.

Speaking of "chrisv"[sic], You ( Hugh Huntzinger ) wrote:
> Readers can decide for themselves just who the 'lying asshole' is.  

I've always had nothing but respect for you, Hugh;
"chrisv"[sic], on the other hand, not so much.
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              BenJacoby  pawTC.188639$mS3.7637@fx04.iad
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.11--9.20am.Seattle.2018
          BenJacoby  4yBTC.340869$DS3.278998@fx42.iad
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.11--2.32pm.Seattle.2018
      BenJacoby  G%DTC.341598$DS3.59869@fx42.iad
    ScottDoty  foad54F6f3uU2@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.12--0.03pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 2  m42 Cool; 34.6 Minutes, Pan, Individual.NET,  Jun 12 { 10:11am, 2018 }:    WТʫк
      SuperDeterminism was useful to Einstein, and to me.

You (Scott) wrote:
> If I understand [Jeff] correctly, he's a proponent of superdeterminism.

SuperDeterminism was useful to Einstein, and to me;
it is _not_ useful to The Pope, nor to you.

> I'm not sure that superdeterminism is a testable hypothesis.
> Is it science?

You can't prove anything, not ThermoDynamics ( Entropy and eXergy ),
nor General Relativity; in fact, they _contradict_ each other.

The best you can do is:

  - Find it useful ( in its domain ).
  - Try to Falsify it ( in its domain ).

> I think there was once a scientist of some renown 
> that said that he was fascinated that the universe was knowable.
> hopefully someone can jog my memory.

It was Adam, when he left "dad's house" ( the Garden of Eden ).

"The Universe is knowable" - Neil deGrasse Tyson, on YouTube.

P.S. The biggest "loophole" in Bell's Theorem is:

  It's an _Ensemble_ of tests, a series, not just one test,
  like a pollster, asking _10_ people if they'll vote for Hillary or not;
  it's incomplete, SemiRandom -- intrinsically, it's misleading.
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            MrChrisV  2soshd5m7hhth6ihlvql1f21brp3ijhnoq@4ax.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.11--9.41am.Seattle.2018
        BenJacoby  tFBTC.71412$3R1.54287@fx16.iad
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.11--2.39pm.Seattle.2018
    BenJacoby  m2ETC.341599$DS3.339677@fx42.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.11--7.29pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m66 Dropped; 2 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, HighWinds,  Jun 11 {  5:  pm, 2018 }:19^(-4)  WТ0J
      " I can't know "  -- Bell's Theorem.

Looking in the mirror, you (Ben) told yourself:
> you are as dumb and as confused as any Lib.  Give up.

Naturally; 
men of _your_ intellectual standing are forever telling themselves:

    " I can't know "  -- Bell's Theorem.

    " Shut Up and Calculate "  -- The Copenhagen Interpretation.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.11--9.20am.Seattle.2018
            BenJacoby  4yBTC.340869$DS3.278998@fx42.iad
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.11--2.32pm.Seattle.2018
        TheSnitBot  fo884sFokapU1@mid.individual.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.11--3.00pm.Seattle.2018
    TheSnitBot  fo89pvFotjfU1@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.11--3.27pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m1067 Dropped; 29 Secs, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Mac, Individual.NET,  Jun 11 {  3: 1pm, 2018 }:35^(-7)  WСტɟ
      We assert _useful_ premises ( and ThermoDynamics is _Very_ useful ).

TheSnitBot replied ( to me ):
> > No one can "prove" ThermoDynamics and/or General Relativity, 100.00000000%.
> 
> Can you offer support for the idea of a LACK of randomness?

All of history, every lesson ever, every advance, tells _me_:

     Randomness is ignorance, nothing more;
     otherwise, there'd be NO TRUTH, nothing for _me_ to aspire to.

Again, we assert _useful_ premises ( and ThermoDynamics is _Very_ useful ),
irregardless of the truth.

Likewise,  " Randomness is ignorance, nothing more " 
is useful _if_ you're like Einstein and me, not The Pope.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.10--11.55pm.Seattle.2018
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          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.11--1.45pm.Seattle.2018
        TheSnitBot  fo85lcFo5g7U1@mid.individual.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.11--2.09pm.Seattle.2018
    SteveCarroll  55dccdde-c0e1-486d-b80c-6b15996539e2@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.11--3.19pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m425 Mad; 8.4 Minutes, GoogleG,  Jun 11 {  2:53pm, 2018 }:43^(PDT)  WСრქ
      How much do you think it's worth ?

You (Steve) cloned The SnitBot ( streamable.com/xz93n ) !

How much do you think it's worth ?
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              ScottDoty  fo3beoFochoU8@mid.individual.net
            MrChrisV  2soshd5m7hhth6ihlvql1f21brp3ijhnoq@4ax.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.11--9.41am.Seattle.2018
        BenJacoby  tFBTC.71412$3R1.54287@fx16.iad
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.11--2.39pm.Seattle.2018
    TheSnitBot  fo89a7For1uU1@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.11--3.09pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 3  m1067 Dropped; 8.9 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Mac, Individual.NET,  Jun 11 {  2:53pm, 2018 }:10^(-7)  WСრф
      When I hear the word "Quantum", I replace it with the word "BullShit".

The SnitBot replied ( to me ):
> > > statistics is [sic] real
> > 
> > Exactly, like those polls that said Hillary would be our next president.
> 
> No poll said that. 
> Some THINK they did from ignorance of statistics, though.

Like Quantum Mechanics, statistics can be misleading.

When I hear the word "Quantum", I replace it with the word "BullShit";
"Quantum Computer" becomes "BullShit Computer", for example.

When I hear "love", I replace it with "30 year mortgage".
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.10--10.51am.Seattle.2018
            BenJacoby  pawTC.188639$mS3.7637@fx04.iad
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.11--9.20am.Seattle.2018
        BenJacoby  4yBTC.340869$DS3.278998@fx42.iad
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.11--2.32pm.Seattle.2018
    TheSnitBot  fo884sFokapU1@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.11--3.00pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m1064 Dropped; 19.9 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Mac, Individual.NET,  Jun 11 {  2:33pm, 2018 }:16^(-7)  WСოΦ
      No one can "prove" ThermoDynamics and/or General Relativity, 100.00000000%.

TheSnitBot replied ( to me ):
> > You don't have to be an Einstein ( and you sure aren't )
> > to realize that Quantum Mechanics isn't complete.
> > 
> > Bell's theorem is just another "I don't know".
> > 
> > All of history, every lesson ever, every advance, tells _me_:
> > 
> >     Randomness is ignorance, nothing more;
> >     otherwise, there'd be NO TRUTH, nothing for _me_ to aspire to.
> 
> I realize it's not something we can prove.  Do you?

No one can "prove" ThermoDynamics and/or General Relativity, 100.00000000%.

Nor can I prove that you're human, far from it.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.10--11.55pm.Seattle.2018
            TheSnitBot  fo7rh8Fm720U3@mid.individual.net
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.11--1.45pm.Seattle.2018
        TheSnitBot  fo85lcFo5g7U1@mid.individual.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.11--2.09pm.Seattle.2018
    TheSnitBot  fo87faFog8nU1@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.11--2.52pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    -Dropped, 27.9 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Mac, Individual.NET,  Jun 11 {  2:21pm, 2018 }:45^(-7)  WСმϐ
      Does not compute.  Beep !

The SnitBot replied ( to me ):
> > Thanks for proving my point.
> 
> Does not compute.  Beep !
> Does not compute.  Beep !

Alright already, we get your point.
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              ScottDoty  fo3lipFr1ppU1@mid.individual.net
            BenJacoby  MFcTC.339801$DS3.321327@fx42.iad
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.10--11.01am.Seattle.2018
        BenJacoby  9ewTC.126583$pK.102851@fx13.iad
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.11--10.04am.Seattle.2018
    BenJacoby  jJBTC.220839$o43.75944@fx33.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.11--2.43pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m64 Dropped; 1.5 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, HighWinds,  Jun 11 {  2:21pm, 2018 }:19^(-4)  WСმΩ
      Your house is built on sand.

Looking in the mirror, you (Ben) wrote:
> You have NO idea what I might or might not believe.

Exactly, your house is built on sand.
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              ScottDoty  fo38seFochoU6@mid.individual.net
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.9--5.42pm.Seattle.2018
          ScottDoty  fo3beoFochoU8@mid.individual.net
        MrChrisV  2soshd5m7hhth6ihlvql1f21brp3ijhnoq@4ax.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.11--9.41am.Seattle.2018
    BenJacoby  tFBTC.71412$3R1.54287@fx16.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.11--2.39pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 2  m64 Dropped; 5.6 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, HighWinds,  Jun 11 {  2:17pm, 2018 }:13^(-4)  WСლч
      "statistics is [sic] real" -- Ben Jacoby.

You (Ben) replied ( to me ):
> > The Copenhagen interpretation is: "Shut Up and Calculate".
> > Einstein knew that Quantum Mechanics is _not_ complete;
> > correlation does not imply causation.
> 
> statistics is [sic] real 

Exactly, like those polls that said Hillary would be our next president.

> you [can't] calculate!

Jeff-Relf.Me/X.ZIP
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.9--8.16pm.Seattle.2018
            BenJacoby  BDcTC.339800$DS3.305509@fx42.iad
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.10--10.51am.Seattle.2018
        BenJacoby  pawTC.188639$mS3.7637@fx04.iad
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.11--9.20am.Seattle.2018
    BenJacoby  4yBTC.340869$DS3.278998@fx42.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.11--2.32pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 3  m64 Dropped; 13.4 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, HighWinds,  Jun 11 {  2: 9pm, 2018 }:21^(-4)  WСკβ
      Bell's theorem is just another "I don't know".

You don't have to be an Einstein ( and you sure aren't )
to realize that Quantum Mechanics isn't complete.

Bell's theorem is just another "I don't know".

All of history, every lesson ever, every advance, tells _me_:

   Randomness is ignorance, nothing more;
   otherwise, there'd be NO TRUTH, nothing for _me_ to aspire to.
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              SteveCarroll  316150f0-ee51-437b-9271-5353bd4cab51@googlegroups.com
            simon_singh│ss1988singh980  pfkjvr$pv3$2@dont-email.me
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.10--11.55pm.Seattle.2018
        TheSnitBot  fo7rh8Fm720U3@mid.individual.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.11--1.45pm.Seattle.2018
    TheSnitBot  fo85lcFo5g7U1@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.11--2.09pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m1065 Dropped; 13.2 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Mac, Individual.NET,  Jun 11 {  1:50pm, 2018 }:52^(-7)  WСზʬ
      More bot than human.

The SnitBot replied ( to me ):
> > You're more bot than human, SnitBot; more lizard than human.
> 
> Does not compute.  Beep !
> Does not compute.  Beep !

Thanks for proving my point.
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        kensi│kkensington01@gmail_  pfle4v$r88$1@gioia.aioe.org
      BenJacoby  s0xTC.176222$bJ2.43657@fx15.iad
    MrAA  301dd4e2-e78c-497d-9d4b-bf0ede836553@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.11--1.56pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m56 Top; 4 Secs, GoogleG, 205.153.48.25,  Jun 11 {  1:48pm, 2018 }:32^(PDT)  WСზW
      You don't believe in change ?

> What climate change?

You don't believe in change ?

First, your Silicon Forest was chopped down,
now your real forests are burning.

How's that for change ?
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              SteveCarroll  93fa4d8b-d2c7-4897-81c4-408a86cd8f8a@googlegroups.com
            simon_singh│ss1988singh980  pfki5g$pv3$1@dont-email.me
          SteveCarroll  316150f0-ee51-437b-9271-5353bd4cab51@googlegroups.com
        simon_singh│ss1988singh980  pfkjvr$pv3$2@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.10--11.55pm.Seattle.2018
    MichaelGlasser  fo7rh8Fm720U3@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.11--1.45pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m1065 Dropped; 2.5 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Mac, Individual.NET,  Jun 11 { 10:58am, 2018 }:  ^(-7)  WСйϠ
      More lizard than human.

The SnitBot told me:
> If you think there is a truth I am denying 
> then by all means point it out;
> I am not interested in claims of opinions being "truth".

A long, WellDocumented list of people have done this for you, SnitBot;
everyday, for 16 years.  

You're more bot than human, SnitBot; more lizard than human.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.9--6.28pm.Seattle.2018
            BenJacoby  Hu0TC.216580$o43.15533@fx33.iad
          ScottDoty  fo3lipFr1ppU1@mid.individual.net
        BenJacoby  MFcTC.339801$DS3.321327@fx42.iad
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.10--11.01am.Seattle.2018
    BenJacoby  9ewTC.126583$pK.102851@fx13.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.11--10.04am.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╳ 1  m450 Dropped; 1.9 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, HighWinds,  Jun 11 {  8: 6am, 2018 }:45^(-4)  WСНj
      Asleep, living in a dream.

You ( Ben ) told me:
> Maybe you need to quote "GOD" to really "prove" your theories!
> Nutjob.

Who's your God, and what's your theory ?

It's the Bible, right ?  if not, you haven't expressed it,
nor can you, when asked.  You're asleep, living in a dream.

Jeff-Relf.Me/TodaysBible.JPG
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              ScottDoty  fo3463FochoU3@mid.individual.net
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.9--4.40pm.Seattle.2018
          ScottDoty  fo38seFochoU6@mid.individual.net
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.9--5.42pm.Seattle.2018
      ScottDoty  fo3beoFochoU8@mid.individual.net
    MrChrisV  2soshd5m7hhth6ihlvql1f21brp3ijhnoq@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.11--9.41am.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    -Dropped, 4.4 Hours, F_Agent, HighWinds➤Fastusenet.ORG,  Jun 11 {  5: 2am, 2018 }:12^(-5)  WСϠʄ
      Quantum Mechanics is _not_ complete.

"chrisv"[sic] replied to Scott ( speaking of me ):
> > Tut tut -- it must be really annoying when 
> > the "ShitHeads" turn out to be right, eh?  Lul.
> 
> a 'moron' is able to hand you your ass, 
> every time you go up against him ?

I get upset when normal people, like Scott,
(mistakenly) put words into Einstein's mouth.

Not the "God doesn't play dice" thing, but Scott's:

    [ Einstien ] had to admit that 
    the Copenhagen interpretation was MORE ACCURATE 
    than he was comfortable with.

The Copenhagen interpretation is: "Shut Up and Calculate".
Einstein knew that Quantum Mechanics is _not_ complete;
correlation does not imply causation.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.9--6.28pm.Seattle.2018
            ScottDoty  fo3e0pFochoU10@mid.individual.net
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.9--8.16pm.Seattle.2018
        BenJacoby  BDcTC.339800$DS3.305509@fx42.iad
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.10--10.51am.Seattle.2018
    BenJacoby  pawTC.188639$mS3.7637@fx04.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.11--9.20am.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 2  m61 Dropped; 1.1 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, HighWinds,  Jun 11 {  8: 2am, 2018 }:45^(-4)  WСМʥ
      Quantum Mechanics is statistical, not complete.

You (Ben) asked me:
> > John Bell _failed_ to solve The Einstein–Podolsky–Rosen Paradox
> > because  " Correlation does not imply causation ";
> > Quantum Mechanics is statistical, not complete.
> 
> Utter drool. Your "theory" assumed both locality and causality. 

All of history, every lesson ever, every advance, tells _me_:

  Randomness is ignorance, nothing more;
  otherwise, there'd be NO TRUTH, nothing for _me_ to aspire to.

> It also assumes that EPR is true 
> which Bell showed can't be so because both of 
> the above are not allowed to both be true.

John Bell did _nothing_ to alter our opinion.
Quantum Mechanics is statistical, not complete;
correlation does not imply causation.
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              SteveCarroll  d37d64cf-aecd-460c-8005-1c9c51baf0e3@googlegroups.com
            MichaelGlasser  fo5ullFb4qrU2@mid.individual.net
          SteveCarroll  93fa4d8b-d2c7-4897-81c4-408a86cd8f8a@googlegroups.com
        simon_singh│ss1988singh980  pfki5g$pv3$1@dont-email.me
      SteveCarroll  316150f0-ee51-437b-9271-5353bd4cab51@googlegroups.com
    simon_singh│ss1988singh980  pfkjvr$pv3$2@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.10--11.55pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 3  m40 Cool; 4.6 Hours, Pan, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jun 10 {  6:41pm, 2018 }:16  WСʈъ
      Random egos, Random games, and Random religions.

> [ Mike's narcissism compensates for his inadequacies ].
> It's like a man with a small penis telling other men size doesn't matter.

I understand but, on a side note, penis size really doesn't matter.
Breast size doesn't matter either; I _hate_ fake boobs, lips, hips, etc.

The dirtiest, oldest BattleAxes make money hooking;
same for a men, in the gay community. 

> sociopath/psychopath/narcissist people tend to be highly intelligent.
> Ted Bundy is a classic example.

Not eveyone plays by the rules, Ted took "cheating" to the extreme;
likewise, Mike "scores differently" ( most obviously ).

> I refer to snit as being retarded because 
> he can't comprehend simple sentences. 

No, it's _willful_ ignorance.

Everyone avoids the truth, to some extent;
we assert _useful_ premises, irregardless of the truth;
hence Random egos, Random games, and Random religions.
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              MichaelGlasser  fo5afgF7gr8U2@mid.individual.net
            SteveCarroll  cf6d3e4a-870c-4013-be07-72ff976551bf@googlegroups.com
          MichaelGlasser  fo5br7F7q4qU1@mid.individual.net
        SteveCarroll  cd944026-fb18-431a-904e-8f0cf35ee67e@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.10--1.28pm.Seattle.2018
    MichaelGlasser  fo5gjsF8ns2U1@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.10--2.16pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m1050 Dropped; 25.5 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Mac, Individual.NET,  Jun 10 {  1:39pm, 2018 }:23^(-7)  WСɖδ
      Get your story straight, please.

You ( Mike) replied ( to me ):
> > Is Mike on (prescription) drugs, or not ?
> 
> I am on an anti-histamine right now, for allergies.

And nothing more ?

> [ Steve is ] saying I was the one who contacted the police

No, _you_ were the _only_ one saying that;  Steve denies it.

> then [ he said ] it was someone else

No, _you_ changed your story, much to our surprise.

Get your story straight, please.
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              MichaelGlasser  fo58aiF72i7U2@mid.individual.net
            SteveCarroll  dba6a448-2769-4744-bf29-6fc6977e1ca4@googlegroups.com
          MichaelGlasser  fo5afgF7gr8U2@mid.individual.net
        SteveCarroll  cf6d3e4a-870c-4013-be07-72ff976551bf@googlegroups.com
      MichaelGlasser  fo5br7F7q4qU1@mid.individual.net
    SteveCarroll  cd944026-fb18-431a-904e-8f0cf35ee67e@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.10--1.28pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m428 Mad; 14.4 Minutes, GoogleG,  Jun 10 {   :47pm, 2018 }:24^(PDT)  WСɅგ
      Is Mike on (prescription) drugs, or not ?

Steve told Mike:
> I just got an email from someone claiming to be your wife.
> It seems the meds they gave you made you psychotic... is that right? 

Is Mike on (prescription) drugs, or not ?
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              Ser_Gregor_Clegane│sergregor  vjamgd9tl8l6grjfv3a2k7io9h25on63p5@4ax.com
            Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.3574ea23b8a5d8f5993b78@news.altopia.com
          Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  erlogdpm597e9nck6aq5sd3m7nm0pdtlim@4ax.com
        Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  pekc0r$ooj$32@dont-email.me
      Avenging_Angel│Not_fucking_  XnsA8FD527D7C2A4greyghost471bazinga@85.214.115.223
    kensi│kkensington01@gmail_  pfj9ge$1efm$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.10--0.06pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Talk.Politics.Guns, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m140 Cool; 4 Hours, NewsTap➤iPad, Aioe.ORG,  Jun 10 {  6:36am, 2018 }:15^(-4)  WСGF
      BlueEyed Feminism.

"kensi"[sic] replied to "Avenging"[sic]:
> > a Marxist utopia ?  Yeah, no thanks.
> 
> we prefer the Nordic social democracies like Finland and Sweden
> over Soviet-style governance.

Sure, BlueEyed Feminism; that's not racist/sexist.

In "The Handmaid's Tale", Margaret Atwood is crying "foul";
" I'm good, the game is bad ", is the gist of it.

She can't imagine a better game, 
one where everyone wants to play.

Depressed losers "toss the table" disrupting the game.
Right before Alek Minassian mowed down pedestrians, he wrote:

  The Incel Rebellion has begun ! 
  We will overthrow the Chads and Stacys !
  All hail the Supreme Gentleman, Elliot Rodger !

The " I know better than the market; every detail, always "
concept is what's wrong with feminists and communists.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.9--5.42pm.Seattle.2018
            ScottDoty  fo3beoFochoU8@mid.individual.net
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.9--6.28pm.Seattle.2018
        BenJacoby  Hu0TC.216580$o43.15533@fx33.iad
      ScottDoty  fo3lipFr1ppU1@mid.individual.net
    BenJacoby  MFcTC.339801$DS3.321327@fx42.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.10--11.01am.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m59 Dropped; 47.5 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, HighWinds,  Jun 10 {  9:50am, 2018 }:53^(-4)  WСmʭ
      Mark Twain, Einstein and Stephen Hawking are revered by nerds

You ( Ben and Scott ) wrote:
> > Yeah yeah, there is no God but Spinoza, and Einstein is his prophet,
> > yadda yadda.
> 
> See? You just don't care like Rolf does! QED.

Right, most people don't care; they're asleep,
they can't appreciate "life and death"... not like I do.

Mark Twain, Einstein and Stephen Hawking are revered by nerds
for being "woke" enough to know that we're no better than machines,
no better than fungi.

In "The Grand Design", 2010, Stephen Hawking said:

  it seems that we are no more than biological machines
  and that free will is just an illusion.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.9--5.42pm.Seattle.2018
            ScottDoty  fo3beoFochoU8@mid.individual.net
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.9--6.28pm.Seattle.2018
        ScottDoty  fo3e0pFochoU10@mid.individual.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.9--8.16pm.Seattle.2018
    BenJacoby  BDcTC.339800$DS3.305509@fx42.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.10--10.51am.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 2  m59 Dropped; 49.9 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, HighWinds,  Jun 10 {  9:48am, 2018 }:33^(-4)  WСmX
      Quantum Mechanics is statistical, not complete.

You (Ben) asked me:
> Have you heard of Bell's theorem ?

John Bell _failed_ to solve The Einstein–Podolsky–Rosen Paradox
because  " Correlation does not imply causation ";
Quantum Mechanics is statistical, not complete.

> Oh, that's right, you aren't into "pure" science.

You were looking into the mirror, when you wrote that,
I assume.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.9--4.40pm.Seattle.2018
            ScottDoty  fo38seFochoU6@mid.individual.net
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.9--5.42pm.Seattle.2018
        ScottDoty  fo3beoFochoU8@mid.individual.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.9--6.28pm.Seattle.2018
    ScottDoty  fo3e0pFochoU10@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.9--8.16pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 2  m40 Cool; 55.1 Minutes, Pan, Individual.NET,  Jun  9 {  6:42pm, 2018 }:49  WРϿn
      Mark Twain was a determinist.

> > Before, you said he " had to admit that the Copenhagen interpretation
> > was MORE ACCURATE than he was comfortable with ".
> > He _never_ did that, far from it ( see above ).
> 
> I'd thought Einstein eventually had to admit he was wrong.
> I guess if he didn't, that's at least twice he was wrong in a big way.

He was not wrong, far from it, but you don't need to know that,
because you're not into PURE science, not like he was.
Most scientists aren't into PURE science, like the was.

Mark Twain was a determinist.
In "The Grand Design", 2010, Stephen Hawking said:

  it seems that we are no more than biological machines
  and that free will is just an illusion.

> I was correct about the quote, 
> and you should have known it was correct, too.

I never objected to the "God doesn't play dice" thing.
I objected to your    " [Einstien] had to admit that 
    the Copenhagen interpretation was MORE ACCURATE 
    than he was comfortable with "    notion.

Einstien subscribed to "The Ensemble Interpretation" which says, 
basically, that Quantum Mechanics is merely statistical, 
not complete ( " correlation does not imply causation " ).
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              MichaelGlasser  fnrv0aFea3pU2@mid.individual.net
            ScottDoty  fnuordFt7iqU3@mid.individual.net
          MichaelGlasser  fnup4nFp19uU16@mid.individual.net
        ScottDoty  fo2c98FkubpU1@mid.individual.net
      MichaelGlasser  fo2dkbFcgkoU6@mid.individual.net
    ScottDoty  fo3deaFochoU9@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.9--7.02pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 1  m39 Cool; 1.4 Minutes, Pan, Individual.NET,  Jun  9 {  6:32pm, 2018 }:58  WРϽΓ
      "Natural Rights" aren't always wonderful.

"Natural Rights" aren't always wonderful, Scott.

Depressed losers "toss the table" disrupting the game.
Alek Minassian mowed down pedestrians.  He said:

  The Incel Rebellion has begun ! 
  We will overthrow all the Chads and Stacys !
  All hail the Supreme Gentleman Elliot Rodger !

Before then, no one suspected him.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.9--2.51pm.Seattle.2018
            ScottDoty  fo3463FochoU3@mid.individual.net
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.9--4.40pm.Seattle.2018
        ScottDoty  fo38seFochoU6@mid.individual.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.9--5.42pm.Seattle.2018
    ScottDoty  fo3beoFochoU8@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.9--6.28pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m38 Cool; 4.6 Minutes, Pan, Individual.NET,  Jun  9 {  5:59pm, 2018 }: 5  WРϷп
      God Doesn't Play Dice, he's not an idiot; nor is he a "he".

Scott... Scott... Scott... Scott... Scott ! ! !

I know Einstein.
Like most people, you do not; but that's OK.

Einstein's "God/Religion" was Mother Nature.
"God" is nature, nothing more, nothing less.
And nature is _not_ a person; Einstein made this abundently clear.

> > I don't share your obsession with the 19th century.
> > GrecoRoman Diodorus Cronus, circa 300 BCE,
> > (rightly) noted that the future is just as fixed as the past.
> 
> Begging the claim.

I can take it back farther, if you'd rather, to China and India,
but the record is less clear, so long ago.

> > Einstein spent decades arguing _against_ the Copenhagen bullshit.
> > He subscribed to "The Ensemble Interpretation" which says, basically,
> > that Quantum Mechanics is merely statistical, not complete ( "
> > correlation does not imply causation " ).
> 
> If you'd pull your head out of your posterior for a second, you'd realize 
> that Einstein's verified quote (supplied below) supports his TREPIDATION 
> about the Copenhagen interpretation.  ["God Doesn't Play Dice"]

Yes, you're right, this time.
God Doesn't Play Dice, he's not an idiot; nor is he a "he".

Before, you said he " had to admit that the Copenhagen interpretation
was MORE ACCURATE than he was comfortable with ".
He _never_ said that, far from it ( see above ).

> Apologize or not -- makes no difference, except to show what kind of person you are.
> Indeed, one even say that the courage to apologize involves bucking the 
> "LessBad" option that you claim is how we work.  Can you do it?

_You_ made the mistake; _you_ don't know Einsein; I do.
I'm the one correcting you, not vice versa.

I don't want an apology from you,
because I know you simply don't care about this topic,
not like I do.
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              MichaelGlasser  fo0ttsFcl4oU1@mid.individual.net
            ScottDoty  fo2vkbFochoU1@mid.individual.net
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.9--2.51pm.Seattle.2018
        ScottDoty  fo3463FochoU3@mid.individual.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.9--4.40pm.Seattle.2018
    ScottDoty  fo38seFochoU6@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.9--5.42pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 2  m37 Cool; 9.6 Minutes, Pan, Individual.NET,  Jun  9 {  5:15pm, 2018 }:11  WРϰΠ
      Putting words in Einstein's mouth.

> > > Do you have a shrine for your religion?
> > > If so, please post photos, should be interesting.
> > 
> > Jeff-Relf.Me/TodaysBible.JPG
> 
> your shrine is a Verizon datacenter?
> globaldots.com/verizon-auctions-data-centers-google-cloud-attacks-amazon-weeks-news/

The (stock) image is from "DataCenterVoice.COM".

> How...quaint.  Goes with the 19th century philosophy though.

I don't share your obsession with the 19th century.
GrecoRoman Diodorus Cronus, circa 300 BCE,
(rightly) noted that the future is just as fixed as the past.

I'm forever correcting people like you, who put words in Einstein's mouth;
9 times out of ten ( at least ), the SoCalled "quotes" aren't his.
It's _very_ annoying; ShitHeads, like you, are making me work hard.

Einstein spent decades arguing _against_ the Copenhagen bullshit.
He subscribed to "The Ensemble Interpretation" which says, basically,
that Quantum Mechanics is merely statistical, not complete
( " correlation does not imply causation " ).
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              BenJacoby  j%SSC.335508$DS3.24255@fx42.iad
            Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  pfhdf7$m4r$2@dont-email.me
          Wally_W│ww84wa@aim_com  mshohdtrlsel2of2v629afbrrhtb2ppp25@4ax.com
        Nadegda│nad318b404@gmail_  pfhki1$m4r$14@dont-email.me
      Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.3585fcfda18c3a01993cf3@news.altopia.com
    ScottDoty  pfhnh1$clh$5@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.9--5.02pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Talk.Politics.Guns, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m19 Cool; 23.9 Minutes, Pan, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jun  9 {  4:23pm, 2018 }:13  WРϙч
      " I know better than the market; every detail, always ".

> What do Nads and Skeeter have in common?
> They both have had instructors tell them words to the effect of they are 
> the smartest people they'd ever met.
> " It's impossible to teach you anything ! "

The " I know better than the market; every detail, always "
concept is what's wrong with feminists and communists.
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              BenJacoby  iuxSC.158766$R51.149070@fx03.iad
            ScottDoty  fo0qhdFbsq2U1@mid.individual.net
          MichaelGlasser  fo0ttsFcl4oU1@mid.individual.net
        ScottDoty  fo2vkbFochoU1@mid.individual.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.9--2.51pm.Seattle.2018
    ScottDoty  fo3463FochoU3@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.9--4.40pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m33 Cool; 5.6 Minutes, Pan, Individual.NET,  Jun  9 {  3:54pm, 2018 }:59  WРϕx
      People are forever MisQuoting Einstein; I correct them.

You (Scott) replied ( to me ):
> > "refuted" by whom, the Pope ?
> 
> I see you are stuck in 19th century determinism.

GrecoRoman Diodorus Cronus, circa 300 BCE,
(rightly) noted that the future is just as fixed as the past.

> That's a shame, because it is now common knowledge that 
> there are non-deterministic processes in nature.

Your ignorance depends on how impervious you are
( "willfull" or not ) to the truth.

> You are, of course, free to deny this, if your religion demands it.

Everyone avoids the truth, to some extent;
we assert _useful_ premises, irregardless of the truth;
hence ego, online gaming and religion.

All of history, every lesson ever, every advance, tells _me_:

  Randomness is ignorance, nothing more;
  otherwise, there'd be NO TRUTH, nothing for _me_ to aspire to.

You, on the other hand, aspire to something else.

Kids are the domain of the poor, uneducated and unfortunate.
Replace the word "love" with "30 year mortgage" and everything becomes clear.

> > Einstein, on the other hand, loved the truth, more than most.
> > To his death, he kept telling us: free will is an illusion.
> > 
> > > If you don't experience your will as being free,
> > > then you belong in [ EINSTEIN's ] category [ far from the Pope ].
> 
> You're equating yourself with Einstein?  
> I said "Jeff", not what you post-edited.

You think Einstein wouldn't agree with me, on this ?
If so, it's because you haven't read what he wrote,
nor do you care to, because it'd ruin your ego.

> Einstein used to say "God does not play dice with the universe"
> -- then had to admit that the Copenhagen interpretation was 
> more accurate than he was comfortable with.

People are forever MisQuoting Einstein; I correct them/you.

Einstein spent decades arguing _against_ the Copenhagen bullshit.
He subscribed to "The Ensemble Interpretation" which says, basically,
that Quantum Mechanics is merely statistical, not complete
( " correlation does not imply causation " ).

> > We simply prefer the LeastBad "option",
> > and we can't change what we prefer.
> > 
> > How and What we consume is what makes us different.
> 
> Do you have a shrine for your religion?  
> If so, please post photos, should be interesting.

Jeff-Relf.Me/TodaysBible.JPG
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              BenJacoby  iuxSC.158766$R51.149070@fx03.iad
            ScottDoty  fo0qhdFbsq2U1@mid.individual.net
          MichaelGlasser  fo0ttsFcl4oU1@mid.individual.net
        ScottDoty  fo2vkbFochoU1@mid.individual.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.9--2.51pm.Seattle.2018
    BranimirMaksimovic  37YSC.337230$EL2.232858@fx37.am4
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.9--3.11pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m59 Cool; 5.3 Minutes, slrn➤Linux, HighWinds➤Usenet-News.NET,  Jun  9 {  3: 1pm, 2018 }:35  WРυɟ
      To a retard, _everything_ is "random".

You (Branimir) replied ( to me ):
> > Everyone avoids the truth, to some extent;
> > we assert _useful_ premises, irregardless of the truth;
> > hence ego, online gaming and religion.
> >
> > Einstein, on the other hand, loved the truth, more than most.
> > To his death, he kept telling us: free will is an illusion.
> 
> I remember one study they tried to predict direction of a fly,
> they couldn't.  Even flies are [ SemiRandom ].

To a retard, _everything_ is "random".

All of history, every lesson ever, every advance, tells _me_ ( not you ):

  Randomness is ignorance, nothing more;
  otherwise, there'd be NO TRUTH, nothing for me to aspire to.
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              BenJacoby  nfpSC.143891$wG5.139275@fx02.iad
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.7--11.36pm.Seattle.2018
          BenJacoby  iuxSC.158766$R51.149070@fx03.iad
        ScottDoty  fo0qhdFbsq2U1@mid.individual.net
      MichaelGlasser  fo0ttsFcl4oU1@mid.individual.net
    ScottDoty  fo2vkbFochoU1@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.9--2.51pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m32 Cool; 8 Secs, Pan, Individual.NET,  Jun  9 {  2:37pm, 2018 }:15  WРρɁ
      EINSTEIN's category, far from the Pope.

Scott replied ( to Mike ):
> > How do you know if you have free will ?
> 
> This is very much wrapped up in the "hard" problem of consciousness, 
> and without an appreciation of that, you can find yourself stuck in
> long-refuted 19th century determinism.

"refuted" by whom, the Pope ?

Everyone avoids the truth, to some extent;
we assert _useful_ premises, irregardless of the truth;
hence ego, online gaming and religion.

Einstein, on the other hand, loved the truth, more than most.
To his death, he kept telling us: free will is an illusion.

> One point is that the universe has already demonstrated it has non-
> deterministic processes, so there is the very real possibility that 
> consciousness is also non-deterministic.

All of history, every lesson ever, every advance, tells me ( not you ):

  Randomness is ignorance, nothing more;
  otherwise, there'd be NO TRUTH, nothing for me to aspire to.

> If you don't experience your will as being free, 
> then you belong in [ EINSTEIN's ] category [ far from the Pope ].

_Everyone_ is enslaved, there is no free will.
We simply prefer the LessBad "option",
and we can't change what we prefer.

How and What we consume is what makes us different.

At the start, there was no entropy, just infinite eXergy/density. 
[ eXergy is a type of energy that can do physical work, force * distance ]
And, because " Time == Entropy ", there was no time on the clock then.

Eventually, this eXergy will be consumed away, replaced with entropy;
leaving us with a uniform heat bath that has all of the energy
but none of the eXergy.  Gravity is the "memory" of where the stuff was.

General Relativity's four dimensional TimeScape is static, eternal, 
perfectly causal... it is, at once, everything _and_ nothing.
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        kensi│kkensington01@gmail_  pfg9uc$qch$1@gioia.aioe.org
      BenJacoby  j%SSC.335508$DS3.24255@fx42.iad
    Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  pfhctd$kq4$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.9--2.25pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Talk.Politics.Guns, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m215 Mad; 26.5 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win7, Aioe.ORG,  Jun  9 {  1:21pm, 2018 }:50^(-5)  WРδϖ
      Plants are thriving in this wetter, warmer, CarbonDioxide climate.

Plants are thriving in this wetter, warmer, CarbonDioxide climate;
last summer, in Seattle and Portland, we could barely breathe,
the smoke was so bad.
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              !Jones│jones@fobahor_com  eh8hhd1amd9as0fofttbeoisq4t8utf9qn@4ax.com
            Scout│me4guns@removethis_this2_  pfac6s$bdi$2@dont-email.me
          MichaelGlasser  fnrv0aFea3pU2@mid.individual.net
        ScottDoty  fnuordFt7iqU3@mid.individual.net
      MichaelGlasser  fnup4nFp19uU16@mid.individual.net
    ScottDoty  fo2c98FkubpU1@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.9--0.21pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 1  m31 Cool; 3.1 Hours, Pan, Individual.NET,  Jun  9 {  9: 7am, 2018 }: 4  WРʡȶ
      Depressed Losers, slaughtering consert goers, is "natural" ?

Depressed Losers, slaughtering consert goers, is "natural" ?
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              MichaelGlasser  fo19ubFehauU1@mid.individual.net
            max_headroom│maximusheadroom  pfgl26$tr3$2@dont-email.me
          MichaelGlasser  fo29a6Fkd61U1@mid.individual.net
        max_headroom│maximusheadroom  pfgrpc$7p5$2@dont-email.me
      BenJacoby  D9TSC.137721$RI2.89866@fx26.iad
    Horace│skinnydude@a1c_org  1rod4wktc975f$.1afebrpcf6w93.dlg@40tude.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.9--0.11pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 1  m2 Shifty; 37.1 Minutes, 40tude, Individual.NET,  Jun  9 { 10:31am, 2018 }:23^(-4)  WРʯɓ
      Truth Avoidance.

Everyone avoids the truth, to some extent;
we assert _useful_ premises, irregardless of the truth;
hence ego, online gaming and religion.

"Snit"[sic] is just an extreme example of it ( truth avoidance ).
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              BenJacoby  1NgSC.215303$o43.200375@fx33.iad
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.7--2.15pm.Seattle.2018
          BenJacoby  nfpSC.143891$wG5.139275@fx02.iad
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.7--11.36pm.Seattle.2018
      BenJacoby  iuxSC.158766$R51.149070@fx03.iad
    vallor│vallor@cultnix_org  fo0qhdFbsq2U1@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.9--0.14am.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m14 Cool; 4.4 Hours, Pan, Individual.NET,  Jun  8 {  6:58pm, 2018 }: 6  WРJϴ
      If the truth is your enemy...

You (Scott) wrote:
> One way to deal with the "we don't have free will" 
> folks is to believe them.
> 
> Therefore, Jeff is nothing more than a philosophical zombie  ...
> he doesn't know what it is like to be conscious with free will.

If the truth is your enemy, as it is for most
( we assert _useful_ premises, no matter the truth )
than you assert randomness, e.g. the MultiVerse, religion and MMO games.

All of history, every lesson ever, every advance, tells me:

  Randomness is ignorance, nothing more;
  otherwise, there'd be NO TRUTH, nothing for me to aspire to.

_Everyone_ is enslaved, there is no free will.
We simply prefer the LessBad "option",
and we can't change what we prefer.

How and What we consume is what makes us different.

At the start, there was no entropy, just infinite eXergy/density. 
[ eXergy is a type of energy that can do physical work, force * distance ]
And, because " Time == Entropy ", there was no time on the clock then.

Eventually, this eXergy will be consumed away, replaced with entropy;
leaving us with a uniform heat bath that has all of the energy
but none of the eXergy.  Gravity is the "memory" of where the stuff was.

General Relativity's four dimensional TimeScape is static, eternal, 
perfectly causal... it is, at once, everything _and_ nothing.
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              MichaelGlasser  fo02r6F80giU2@mid.individual.net
            SteveCarroll  63b41f4a-77a2-4ac7-bc59-447903db0e45@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.8--1.44pm.Seattle.2018
        MichaelGlasser  fo08hvF9340U2@mid.individual.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.8--2.00pm.Seattle.2018
    SteveCarroll  8cf9a166-7ee9-4e0f-a9d7-f9c2f269813b@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.8--2.32pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 2  m421 Mad; 9.3 Minutes, GoogleG,  Jun  8 {  2:12pm, 2018 }:49^(PDT)  WПლn
      Kids aren't my bag.

Steve told me:
> I just read your post about your kids, sorry to hear all that.

I'm happy about it, all of it.  Kids aren't my bag.

WorldWide, Kids are the domain the poorest, and least educated.

Mormons are nice people, most of them, and good in bed;
but science isn't their friend; and I'm all about the science.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.7--10.33pm.Seattle.2018
            SteveCarroll  dd7ea87c-43c2-4009-be1d-1beab763d126@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.8--9.33am.Seattle.2018
        SteveCarroll  fff3dafa-cbb9-4c27-a725-7276a2ddae01@googlegroups.com
      MichaelGlasser  fo02nvF80giU1@mid.individual.net
    SteveCarroll  00d0d8a6-79cc-4d3f-8985-bd7844408e35@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.8--2.10pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 6  m418 Mad; 42.9 Minutes, GoogleG,  Jun  8 {  1:17pm, 2018 }:47^(PDT)  WПაჩ
      Shouting "Walk!" to a paraplegic, every day, for decades.

Last 15 years, Steve has been telling Mike:
> if you ever begin to learn to comprehend what you read,
> this 'context' stuff will become important ;)

He (Mike) can't do it.  Basically, you've been 
shouting "Walk!" to a paraplegic, every day, for decades.
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              SteveCarroll  c76964bd-fb39-4a72-bfab-8bc2320098a9@googlegroups.com
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.8--9.53am.Seattle.2018
          MichaelGlasser  fo02r6F80giU2@mid.individual.net
        SteveCarroll  63b41f4a-77a2-4ac7-bc59-447903db0e45@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.8--1.44pm.Seattle.2018
    MichaelGlasser  fo08hvF9340U2@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.8--2.00pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    -Dropped, 5.9 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Mac, Individual.NET,  Jun  8 {  1:51pm, 2018 }:11^(-7)  WПზΠ
      Thank God for SSDI.

Mike replied:
> > > > > Snit writes his own FanFic ?  Proof ?  Cite ?
> > > >
> > > > [Eliza] was a complete whacko... and likely Carroll's second wife.
> > >
> > > BC3966D6.3B57D%snit@nospam-cableone.net
> > > BC387D2E.3B4CE%snit@nospam-cableone.net
> > 
> > Eliza, 1964, is a _famous_ ChatBot, not a girl.
> > 
> > Apparently, Mike's love for "her" ( the bot ) hasn't waned,
> > last 14.5 years; he writes FanFiction about "her",
> > referring to himself in the third person.
> > 
> > His " Steve wants to fuck his mom " _assertion_ ( sans proof )
> > is just icing on this (hopeless) ShitCake.  Is he projecting  ?
> > Does he _need_ to believe that he lusts for his "mom" (wife) ?
> > 
> > Thank God for SSDI.
> 
> What?

This is way, way, way beyond you, Mike;
don't even try to understand it, you can't.
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              SteveCarroll  82ea5d28-10b6-4177-8eaf-1909c537fe7a@googlegroups.com
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.7--11.17pm.Seattle.2018
          SteveCarroll  c76964bd-fb39-4a72-bfab-8bc2320098a9@googlegroups.com
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.8--9.53am.Seattle.2018
      MichaelGlasser  fo02r6F80giU2@mid.individual.net
    SteveCarroll  63b41f4a-77a2-4ac7-bc59-447903db0e45@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.8--1.44pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 3  m413 Mad; 4.6 Minutes, GoogleG,  Jun  8 {  1: 5pm, 2018 }: 3^(PDT)  WПюн
      Thank God for SSDI.

Steve replied:
> > > Snit writes his own FanFic ?  Proof ?  Cite ?
> > 
> > [Eliza] was a complete whacko... and likely Carroll's second wife.
> 
> BC3966D6.3B57D%snit@nospam-cableone.net
> BC387D2E.3B4CE%snit@nospam-cableone.net

Eliza, 1964, is a _famous_ ChatBot, not a girl.

Apparently, Mike's love for "her" ( the bot ) hasn't waned,
last 14.5 years; he writes FanFiction about "her",
referring to himself in the third person.

His " Steve wants to fuck his mom " _assertion_ ( sans proof )
is just icing on this (hopeless) ShitCake.  Is he projecting  ?
Does he _need_ to believe that he lusts for his "mom" (wife) ?

Thank God for SSDI.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.7--11.18am.Seattle.2018
            BenJacoby  1NgSC.215303$o43.200375@fx33.iad
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.7--2.15pm.Seattle.2018
        BenJacoby  nfpSC.143891$wG5.139275@fx02.iad
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.7--11.36pm.Seattle.2018
    BenJacoby  iuxSC.158766$R51.149070@fx03.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.8--10.17am.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m467 Dropped; 1.4 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, HighWinds,  Jun  8 {  8:42am, 2018 }:49^(-4)  WПУn
      " I can choose to do the opposite of what I prefer " -- Ben Jacoby.

You (Ben) wrote:
> I can choose to do the opposite of what I prefer.

Please haul your brain down to the nearest mechanic, it's sprung a leak.

> > General Relativity's four dimensional TimeScape is static, eternal,
> > perfectly causal... it is, at once, everything _and_ nothing.
> 
> This is wrong from the very start, Rolf.  Space-time is NOT static.

There is no Time dimension outside of (4-D) SpaceTime.

You can ( and do ) invent dimensions all day long,
-- for cuteness, gender, skin color, autism, etc.;
but none of them have anything to do with physical reality.

You (Ben) worship ignorance, a.k.a. the "multiverse".
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              MichaelGlasser  fnucbaFp19uU10@mid.individual.net
            SteveCarroll  97068e97-fd72-4e40-8def-1abf0e777132@googlegroups.com
          MichaelGlasser  fnufgfFp19uU11@mid.individual.net
        SteveCarroll  82ea5d28-10b6-4177-8eaf-1909c537fe7a@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.7--11.17pm.Seattle.2018
    SteveCarroll  c76964bd-fb39-4a72-bfab-8bc2320098a9@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.8--9.53am.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m412 Mad; 39 Secs, GoogleG,  Jun  8 {  9:36am, 2018 }:10^(PDT)  WПЬA
      Snit writes his own FanFic ?  Proof ?  Cite ?

> " While her attempts were clever at first, the more Snit showed they 
>   would not win his love, the more Elizabot became clearly irrational 
>   and desperate. " - Snit 

Snit writes his own FanFic ?  Proof ?  Cite ?
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              MichaelGlasser  fnublhFsakoU1@mid.individual.net
            SteveCarroll  f6bcae02-6874-415e-b8ea-4df8091b2e17@googlegroups.com
          MichaelGlasser  fnue8lFsng3U1@mid.individual.net
        SteveCarroll  608cf722-e8ba-4847-89e0-d13a7781c9d1@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.7--10.33pm.Seattle.2018
    SteveCarroll  dd7ea87c-43c2-4009-be1d-1beab763d126@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.8--9.33am.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m412 Mad; 8.5 Minutes, GoogleG,  Jun  8 {  9:18am, 2018 }:41^(PDT)  WПЩf
      Social Security Disability (SSDI).

> if anyone ever needed anything, Snit needs WordPress.
> the website building portion of his business dried up
> because the web outpaced him

Mike doesn't need WordPress nor anything like that.

Most likely, he gets Social Security Disability (SSDI).
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              MichaelGlasser  fnufgfFp19uU11@mid.individual.net
            SteveCarroll  82ea5d28-10b6-4177-8eaf-1909c537fe7a@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.7--11.17pm.Seattle.2018
        MichaelGlasser  fnumovFu72oU1@mid.individual.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.7--11.48pm.Seattle.2018
    MichaelGlasser  fnunt6Fp19uU13@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.8--0.24am.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 2  m1014 Dropped; 9.5 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Mac, Individual.NET,  Jun  8 {   :  am, 2018 }:54^(-7)  WПΟs
      I wish Michael Glasser were just evil, and not hopelessly insane.

You (Mike) replied ( to me ):
> > Steve didn't write, " I want to fuck my mother ",
> > nor anything like that, not for any reason.
> 
> What makes you think that ?

I wish you were just evil, and not hopelessly insane.

> Do not underestimate how far [ I'd go ] to play victim.

You're looking in the mirror again, talking to yourself.
And it's no act, you're a _true_ victim, hopeless.
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              MichaelGlasser  fnucbaFp19uU10@mid.individual.net
            SteveCarroll  97068e97-fd72-4e40-8def-1abf0e777132@googlegroups.com
          MichaelGlasser  fnufgfFp19uU11@mid.individual.net
        SteveCarroll  82ea5d28-10b6-4177-8eaf-1909c537fe7a@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.7--11.17pm.Seattle.2018
    MichaelGlasser  fnumovFu72oU1@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.7--11.48pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 2  m1010 Dropped; 1.2 Minutes, NewsTap➤iPhone, Individual.NET,  Jun  7 { 11:41pm, 2018 }:36  WПΛპ
      If Michael Glasser were human, and not a lizard.

You (Mike) replied ( to me ):
> > There is simply _no_possibility_ that Mike isn't aware
> > that [Steve] didn't write " I want to fuck my mother ".
> 
> [Steve] writes that stuff to play victim 

No, he didn't write, " I want to fuck my mother ",
nor anything like that, not for any reason.

If you were human, and not a lizard, you'd know that.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.6--8.28pm.Seattle.2018
            BenJacoby  cZ6SC.264825$Hv4.229788@fx39.iad
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.7--11.18am.Seattle.2018
        BenJacoby  1NgSC.215303$o43.200375@fx33.iad
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.7--2.15pm.Seattle.2018
    BenJacoby  nfpSC.143891$wG5.139275@fx02.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.7--11.36pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m469 Dropped; 4.4 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, HighWinds,  Jun  7 { 11:20pm, 2018 }:47^(-4)  WПΘʧ
      Worshiping Ignorance.

You (Ben) wrote:
> IF there are no choices then there is 
> CERTAINLY nothing to aspire to, no achievements to be made, 
> no credit for accomplishment, 
> nothing but death and confusion awaiting you.  Sad.

You worship ignorance.  How is that any better ?

We simply prefer the LessBad "option",
and we can't change what we prefer.

General Relativity's four dimensional TimeScape is static, eternal, 
perfectly causal... it is, at once, everything _and_ nothing.
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              MichaelGlasser  fnu95qFp19uU9@mid.individual.net
            SteveCarroll  a19455c2-2693-44a6-913c-e9f662f2ad89@googlegroups.com
          MichaelGlasser  fnucbaFp19uU10@mid.individual.net
        SteveCarroll  97068e97-fd72-4e40-8def-1abf0e777132@googlegroups.com
      MichaelGlasser  fnufgfFp19uU11@mid.individual.net
    SteveCarroll  82ea5d28-10b6-4177-8eaf-1909c537fe7a@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.7--11.17pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m411 Mad; 24.2 Minutes, GoogleG,  Jun  7 {  9:58pm, 2018 }:23^(PDT)  WПʩЕ
      "SeniorPeopleMeet.COM" wouldn't be the worst choice.

You (Steve) replied ( to Mike ):
> > > " He claimed to be younger and spoke of his interest in older women. " - Snit
> > 
> > Just with a quick look, one of your comments:
> >   " Steven Petruzzellis wants to fuck his own mother ".
> 
> Where is the link to one of *my* comments ? 

There is simply _no_possibility_ that Mike
isn't aware that you didn't write " I want to fuck my mother ".
This _overt_lie_ started 4 years ago:

  https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/comp.os.linux.advocacy/+SeniorPeopleMeet.COM+before:2014-08-21|sort:date

I'm 58, two years younger than you; if I wanted to date someone,
"SeniorPeopleMeet.COM" wouldn't be the worst choice.
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              MichaelGlasser  fnu94dFp19uU8@mid.individual.net
            SteveCarroll  8f471220-8a07-40e6-bde3-0e5484113f0d@googlegroups.com
          MichaelGlasser  fnublhFsakoU1@mid.individual.net
        SteveCarroll  f6bcae02-6874-415e-b8ea-4df8091b2e17@googlegroups.com
      MichaelGlasser  fnue8lFsng3U1@mid.individual.net
    SteveCarroll  608cf722-e8ba-4847-89e0-d13a7781c9d1@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.7--10.33pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 2  m411 Mad; 26.2 Minutes, GoogleG,  Jun  7 {  9:56pm, 2018 }:21^(PDT)  WПʩʍ
      I don't need WordPress.

I don't need WordPress.

Nor does Mike.

You (Steve) are preaching to yourself.
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              SteveCarroll  acfa9c1a-bed7-4e88-b22f-17a22ca5bc3f@googlegroups.com
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.6--8.46pm.Seattle.2018
          SteveCarroll  pfab95$6bi$1@dont-email.me
        MichaelGlasser  fnrq8oFc0teU25@mid.individual.net
      SteveCarroll  b2510912-c1ef-469d-891b-175d79278ff9@googlegroups.com
    MichaelGlasser  fntt58Fp19uU1@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.7--6.29pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m987 Dropped; 1.5 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Mac, Individual.NET,  Jun  7 {  4:24pm, 2018 }:23^(-7)  WПɲN
      Are you looking in the mirror again ? !

Mike told Steve:
> I never post links to some dating profile 
> where I am looking for senior citizens.

How do you know Steve isn't a senior citizen himself ?
Should he seek _younger_ women ?

> I do not post with uncounted number of socks as you do.

Are you looking in the mirror again ? !

You're _openly_proud_ of your (storied) ChatBot, 
and your ability to switch IP addresses OnTheFly.

> I do not even try to track and keep dibs on your life.
> I do not care.

You talk about him all day, every day,
as if you knew his wife, kids and tax returns.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.6--8.46pm.Seattle.2018
            SteveCarroll  pfab95$6bi$1@dont-email.me
          MichaelGlasser  fnrq8oFc0teU25@mid.individual.net
        SteveCarroll  b2510912-c1ef-469d-891b-175d79278ff9@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.7--0.45pm.Seattle.2018
    SteveCarroll  d82ac307-5db3-46cf-b262-fc3e5ab090c3@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.7--3.38pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m398 Mad; 9.4 Minutes, GoogleG,  Jun  7 {  2:30pm, 2018 }:23^(PDT)  WПɟN
      My kids give zero fucks.

You (Steve) replied ( to me ):
> > What do Mike's kids say about him ?
> > Mine say nothing, they give Zero fucks.
> 
> I doubt that's true 

It's true, my kids give zero fucks.

> unless you've abused them or the mother did the 'mind trick'.

She divorced me because "I wasn't Mormon enough" ( she said );
I didn't want any more kids while she did, big time.

Eventually, she had them with another man, Rolf; 6 in total;
they're still married and living in a super nice neighborhood,
near my (rich) bother, Pete, up on the mountain side, 
near the mouth of Little CottenWood Canyon (SnowBird), Utah.

Rolf adopted my kids, then aged 5 and 6.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.6--6.21pm.Seattle.2018
            BenJacoby  n11SC.81859$Kp4.69527@fx43.iad
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.6--8.28pm.Seattle.2018
        BenJacoby  cZ6SC.264825$Hv4.229788@fx39.iad
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.7--11.18am.Seattle.2018
    BenJacoby  1NgSC.215303$o43.200375@fx33.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.7--2.15pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m52 Dropped; 24.3 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, HighWinds,  Jun  7 {  1:42pm, 2018 }:16^(-4)  WПɗG
      Ben Jacoby takes _pride_ in his randomness, I don't.

You (Ben) replied ( to me ):
> > And your "gospel" is what ?
> > harp playing, androgynous angels in the clouds ?
> 
> my religious beliefs are totally irrelevant

Truer words have never been spoken.

You take _pride_ in your randomness, I don't.
Randomness is ignorance, nothing more;
otherwise, there'd be NO TRUTH, nothing to aspire to.
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              MichaelGlasser  fnrlhjFc0teU13@mid.individual.net
            SteveCarroll  acfa9c1a-bed7-4e88-b22f-17a22ca5bc3f@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.6--8.46pm.Seattle.2018
        SteveCarroll  pfab95$6bi$1@dont-email.me
      MichaelGlasser  fnrq8oFc0teU25@mid.individual.net
    SteveCarroll  b2510912-c1ef-469d-891b-175d79278ff9@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.7--0.45pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m402 Mad; 16.7 Minutes, GoogleG,  Jun  7 { 11:32am, 2018 }:59^(PDT)  WПȷΔ
      Fabulous Fabian might be behind it ( the bot ).

You (Steve) replied ( to Mike ):
> > > > Steve is winning, Mike is losing.
> > > 
> > > I'd like to collect... what'd I win? ;)
> > 
> > A decade-plus of your life with no sign of any income,
> 
> So... all the gear in my studio just magically appeared?!
> I wonder if I can wish for a Dumble...

Again, Mike is talking about himself, not you;
"no sign of any income" for 13 years, he says.

> > a divorce,
> 
> Two, actually, and I'm *very* thankful for both ;)

Mike hasn't had that pleasure YET, but he will;
meanwhile, he's a KnowItAll feminist.

> > a life that leads you to speak horribly of your kids, 
> 
> That's being done by you, when you're forging my name.

What do Mike's kids say about him ?
Mine say nothing, they give Zero fucks.

> > no website 
> 
> Incorrect.

You're none too proud of it; mine is "Jeff-Relf.Me".

> > after you found I would not modify mine to your taste, 
> > and back your efforts to copy it,
> 
> C'mon, Snit... anyone can see your site is a dated mess ;)

I can't, it seems fine to me.

> > and a flood bot you use to automate your trolling.
> 
> Stop projecting.

Fabulous Fabian might be behind it ( the bot );
it hates _both_ of you.

> > In other words: you have "won" a wasted life.  Congrats.
> 
> Even if my life was like the dishonest BS you just described, how do
> you figure wasting your life on usenet the way you have is better?

Again, he's looking in the mirror, talking to himself.

> > > I'm just pointing out that he's dishonest while he claims otherwise... 
> > > no one wins in a deal like that.
> > 
> > You lie more in a day than you can show me lying in a year.
> 
> You just can't stop lying, can you?

We assert useful premises, disregarding the truth.

> > > I wish Apple would keep Safari as up to date as other browsers.
> > 
> > Why not share the code and talk about tech? 
> 
> I doubt you'd understand it and, at this point, 
> I don't think Relf cares to see any JavaScript with no goals in mind ;) 

You don't adopt every child you see;
likewise, I don't adopt every app I see.

> Last night I did fix a date object issue that Safari and iOS have; 
> I also added the ability to control the date range from the sheet
> ( IOW, there are display implications here ).

My "Jeff-Relf.Me/SleepPat.PNG" (Jeff-Relf.Me/SleepPat.HTM)
is a good example of how dimensions simplify things;
X is days, Y is hours, and tables (Z) are years,
-- time by time by time... virtual dimensions !

Mike laments:
> > [ I could ] be SO much better than [my] obsession with [myself].

_Everyone_ is enslaved, there is no free will.
We simply prefer the LessBad "option",
and we can't change what we prefer.
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              BenJacoby  IAXRC.95714$4M6.88109@fx27.iad
            MichaelGlasser  fnrdv8FbpqgU59@mid.individual.net
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.6--6.21pm.Seattle.2018
        BenJacoby  n11SC.81859$Kp4.69527@fx43.iad
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.6--8.28pm.Seattle.2018
    BenJacoby  cZ6SC.264825$Hv4.229788@fx39.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.7--11.18am.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m51 Dropped; 8.6 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, HighWinds,  Jun  7 {  2:32am, 2018 }:36^(-4)  WОოʜ
      Harp playing, androgynous angels in the clouds ?

You (Ben) replied ( to me ):
> > Randomness is ignorance, nothing more;
> > otherwise, there'd be NO TRUTH, nothing to aspire to.
> 
> Preach it, Rev! Preach it!

And your "gospel" is what ?
harp playing, androgynous angels in the clouds ?
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              SteveCarroll  ae519704-a107-454c-8b2c-85c71a6ccbcf@googlegroups.com
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.6--8.19pm.Seattle.2018
          MichaelGlasser  fnrndlFc0teU15@mid.individual.net
        SteveCarroll  244c678f-795a-4919-b86f-b305ccc3b5f4@googlegroups.com
      MichaelGlasser  fnro8eFc0teU18@mid.individual.net
    SteveCarroll  pfaalu$3di$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.6--9.27pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 2  m411 Mad; 17.3 Minutes, UnisonMacBin, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jun  6 {  9: 1pm, 2018 }: 2^(-6)  WОЦȴ
      We're mostly talking to ourselves.

> " But when it comes to doing anything for your income, 
>   or for others, you have NOTHING to show for it...". - Snit
> 
> Those are your words... written this evening.  And you wrote them 
> despite the fact that I freely offered some of my "NOTHING" to you... 
> such gratitude <eyeroll>.  What a weasel.

Mike was looking in the mirror, talking to himself,
when he wrote that.  

Despite appearances, we're mostly talking to ourselves.
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              MichaelGlasser  fnrj2gFcbenU1@mid.individual.net
            SteveCarroll  715ee332-f403-45d4-90bf-422f8b8e85b8@googlegroups.com
          MichaelGlasser  fnrjlpFc0teU4@mid.individual.net
        SteveCarroll  dfa17189-fbc0-4b95-abe4-9a2285701dfa@googlegroups.com
      MichaelGlasser  fnrlhjFc0teU13@mid.individual.net
    SteveCarroll  acfa9c1a-bed7-4e88-b22f-17a22ca5bc3f@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.6--8.46pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m407 Mad; 17 Minutes, GoogleG,  Jun  6 {  8:14pm, 2018 }:25^(PDT)  WООʑ
      Arrogance is the bane of every ( brain dead ) feminist.

Steve told Mike:
> Fact: You can't know what I "have" or what my income is.
> 
> Fact: Learning isn't value-less because it's not tied to monetary compensation.
> 
> You are clearly opposing both those facts. 
> If you don't believe you are, 
> then you probably need to adjust your medication again. 

Steve is winning, Mike is losing.

Arrogance is the bane of every ( brain dead ) feminist.
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              Odd_Bodkin│bodkinodd@gmail_com  pf9b11$1e0v$1@gioia.aioe.org
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.6--0.25pm.Seattle.2018
          BenJacoby  IAXRC.95714$4M6.88109@fx27.iad
        MichaelGlasser  fnrdv8FbpqgU59@mid.individual.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.6--6.21pm.Seattle.2018
    BenJacoby  n11SC.81859$Kp4.69527@fx43.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.6--8.28pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m461 Dropped; 35.9 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, HighWinds,  Jun  6 {  7:47pm, 2018 }:27^(-4)  WОЙვ
      NO TRUTH.

> tomorrow I will choose the opposite of what I was inclined to do,

Out of sheer ignorance, no doubt; still:

  All of history, every lesson ever, every advance, tells us:

    Randomness is ignorance, nothing more;
    otherwise, there'd be NO TRUTH, nothing to aspire to.

  _Everyone_ is enslaved, there is no free will.
  We simply prefer the LessBad "option",
  and we can't change what we prefer.
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              SteveCarroll  3bcefb28-255b-478a-8d8e-4702d1f1d6d7@googlegroups.com
            MichaelGlasser  fnreg1FbpqgU61@mid.individual.net
          SteveCarroll  3e0f8bc2-7dc1-4e42-b8d1-81cebe442d86@googlegroups.com
        MichaelGlasser  fnrh8sFc2naU1@mid.individual.net
      MichaelGlasser  fnritqFc0teU2@mid.individual.net
    SteveCarroll  ae519704-a107-454c-8b2c-85c71a6ccbcf@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.6--8.19pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m401 Mad; 9.2 Minutes, GoogleG,  Jun  6 {  7:29pm, 2018 }:40^(PDT)  WОЖტ
      Crying "foul".

Steve told Mike:
> I probably made more $$ from web dev in the first 3 months
> of this year than you'll make all year ;)

And you paid for your adult kids' college, too;
likely, your ex got some coin as well.

You two ( Mike and Steve ) can't agree on the rules of the game;
instead, you constantly cry "foul", hoping someone will notice. 

In "The Handmaid's Tale", Margaret Atwood is crying "foul";
" I'm good, the game is bad ", is the gist of it.

She can't imagine a better game, 
one where everyone wants to play.

The " I know better than the market; every detail, always "
concept is what's wrong with feminists and communists.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.6--6.21pm.Seattle.2018
            SteveCarroll  10422819-2748-4b9a-99c3-d23ca238983d@googlegroups.com
          MichaelGlasser  fnrhduFc0teU1@mid.individual.net
        SteveCarroll  1a87b982-5f69-4f0b-bde2-fc97f1a9722a@googlegroups.com
      MichaelGlasser  fnrj2gFcbenU1@mid.individual.net
    SteveCarroll  715ee332-f403-45d4-90bf-422f8b8e85b8@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.6--8.00pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 3  m401 Mad; 13.9 Minutes, GoogleG,  Jun  6 {  7:24pm, 2018 }:56^(PDT)  WОЖu
      Don't teach JavaScript without a proper goal in mind.

Don't teach JavaScript without a proper goal in mind;
e.g. extending FireFox, ThunderBird or Visual Studio.
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              will│willscranton  pf97sk$nhd$1@dont-email.me
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.6--11.47am.Seattle.2018
          Odd_Bodkin│bodkinodd@gmail_com  pf9b11$1e0v$1@gioia.aioe.org
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.6--0.25pm.Seattle.2018
      BenJacoby  IAXRC.95714$4M6.88109@fx27.iad
    MichaelGlasser  fnrdv8FbpqgU59@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.6--6.21pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m262 Dropped; 16.1 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Mac, Individual.NET,  Jun  6 {  5:52pm, 2018 }:56^(-7)  WО϶ж
      No truth, Nothing to aspire to ?

> how would we even test the idea of pre-determination ?  We cannot know.

All of history, every lesson ever, every advance, tells us:

  Randomness is ignorance, nothing more;
  otherwise, there'd be no truth, nothing to aspire to.

_Everyone_ is enslaved, there is no free will.
We simply prefer the LessBad "option",
and we can't change what we prefer.

General Relativity's four dimensional TimeScape is static, eternal, 
perfectly causal... it is, at once, everything _and_ nothing.

We assert useful premises, disregarding the truth.
How and What we consume is what makes us different.
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        .  pf9b11$1e0v$1@gioia.aioe.org
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.6--0.25pm.Seattle.2018
    Odd_Bodkin│bodkinodd@gmail_com  pf9jau$1t05$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.6--2.39pm.Seattle.2018
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m1 Shifty; 2.8 Minutes, NewsTap➤iPhone, Aioe.ORG,  Jun  6 {  2:22pm, 2018 }:39  WОξХ
      I feel rich, very rich.

You ("Odd" [sic]) replied ( to me ):
> > _Everyone_ is enslaved, there is no free will.
> > We simply prefer the LessBad "option",
> > and we can't change what we prefer.
> > 
> > We assert useful premises, disregarding the truth.
> >