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          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.23--1.01am.Seattle.2020
        MrChrisV  sv3pmf1u326drot77pomig7e8ms3tqkvn1@4ax.com
      HughHuntzinger  a467efc5-3dac-4414-a47f-f6141936c21ao@googlegroups.com
    HughHuntzinger  439e361f-9bfa-4306-ad64-e10d2190725ao@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.24--8.45am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m78 Dropped; 33.3 Minutes, GoogleG, 6.50.49.221,  Sep 24 {  6:52am, 2020 }:19^(PDT)  YɱIБ
      Criminals rejoice !

If you're a scofflaw, 
times have never been better.

People have done the math and 
decided to not pay rent.

Seattle's virtue signalers, 
living -fat- off the system,
extended the eviction moratorium
to the middle of 2021.

And banks don't care because
real estate keeps doubling in price.

Dividends and rent don't matter,
so long as stock and real estate prices
keep soaring into the stratosphere.

Seattle is broke and dysfunctional;
the police are defunded; 
I can't get police reports.

Violent Criminals are rejoicing, big time !

Schools let students ambush cops and 
burn down the city;
yet they steal students' tuition money if, 
God forbid, they go to church.

Washington's "Employment Security Department"
paid out benefits to its own employees, 
as if they were unemployed.

The money ( ~600 million $ ) went to 
places like Nigeria, of course.

And, as the "Wirecard" fraud shows,
it's not just people with bad credit
who are scamming the system.

Everyone is doing it.

Nikola -and- Tesla.

The Fed cannot raise the CPI.

If banks won't lend,
the Fed's hands are tied.
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.23--1.01am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
      OverLoading the Camel.

The 2007-2010 subprime mortgage crisis
was perpetrated by get-rich-quick conmen.

Now, 2020, conmen are milking those 
with good credit, piling on the debt,
overloading the camel.
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.20--10.35pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
      De-gentrification.

I live on frat row, immediately north of 
the University of Washington, Seattle.

2006, the frats were concert-level loud;
massive parties, drunk 18-year-old girls
everywhere, in bikinis. 

Early 2019, the Orthodox Jewish frat
to my South fled; it's still empty. 

The University shut down 
the frat to my North.

Now, the building is partially occupied
by a third fraternity; it's mostly empty.

They can't party-hardy anymore;
the University would kick them out,
in the name of Covid-19.

Meanwhile, the poor people living in my 
rooming house are partying like never before
because the cops won't/can't touch them.

The roles have been reversed;
the rich kids are quiet,
and the poor kids are noisy.

De-Gentrification has begun.
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        Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greg_hall  gstemf5ejf0222s1vb4kiubeeb1med3knf@4ax.com
      Checky  dg4ur2.nd8.17.89@news.alt.net
    Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greg_hall  q2efmf9p9tv5oejd9g0ef6u6k7s7hldqbu@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.20--1.29pm.Seattle.2020
  Alt.Checkmate, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m6 Cool; 6.4 Minutes, F_Agent, Alt.NET,  Sep 20 {  1:16pm, 2020 }:16^(-4)  YɮγϾ
      I'm nothing.

I take great comfort in knowing that 
I'm nothing compared to "God",
the Almighty Universe.

To me, my nothingness is everything.

"God" (nature) programmed us
to (sustainably) consume 
" what nature provides " 
( residual eXergy, gravity, 
  energy that can do "work" 
  ( force * distance ) ).
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              Mitchell_Raemsch  7e82f26a-2e58-4fe3-a37f-4d7d62eff128n@googlegroups.com
            Dingus_Dirtbag_McGee│ddmgee  rjtkdv$24ev$1@neodome.net
          Sergio  rjtnhj$13oi$1@gioia.aioe.org
        Mitchell_Raemsch  bcc60f28-cea6-4299-9a9d-e92cad56ac83n@googlegroups.com
      Anal_Buttfuck_Kibo_Manure_  rjvhbn$1337$2@gioia.aioe.org
    Sergio  rjvsai$f22$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.17--8.19am.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics
    ╳ 1  m148 Top; 36.5 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Aioe.ORG,  Sep 17 {  7:37am, 2020 }: 6^(-5)  Yɬʒȸ
      " 2 for 1 " Brains.

> > Get a brain.
> 
> a Joe Biden Brain ?!

Brains are " 2 for 1 " now, at 7/11.
■
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.15--2.04pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
      The Ponzi scheme is unraveling.

Everywhere, governments punish
savers and reward borrowers.

Why ?  Because "the fertility rate"
( babies per woman per lifetime )
has been lower-than-expected, 
destroying pension plans.

The Ponzi scheme is unraveling.
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              anonlinuxuser│linuxuser@noone_  rjlpdl$83r$1@dont-email.me
            HughHuntzinger  0027e8fd-6ee2-466e-8e07-30d5d1b6315cn@googlegroups.com
          RonB│ronb02NOSPAM@gmail_com  rjm391$ibc$8@dont-email.me
        HughHuntzinger  c8695a6d-4b2b-41da-8cb0-f841c01afe0fo@googlegroups.com
      MrChrisV  d52vlfh94dlj9p98ajetjvs4ispd83fu86@4ax.com
    RonB│ronb02NOSPAM@gmail_com  rjo877$gbt$3@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.14--10.40am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 2  m75 Cool; 13.9 Minutes, slrn➤Linux, Eternal-September.ORG,  Sep 14 { 10:11am, 2020 }: 3  Yɪʫн
      Oxidation kills.

Lots of things will kill you,
including breathing ( oxidation ),
traveling, and growing older.

Your lifespan is limited by 
how much oxygen you consume.

Squirrels consume more oxygen
per pound than horses;
hence, they die sooner.

Busy worker bees, collecting honey,
live only a couple weeks; 
otherwise, that same bee
would live many months.
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              RonB│ronb02NOSPAM@gmail_com  rjlvsn$ibc$3@dont-email.me
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.13--3.59pm.Seattle.2020
          RonB│ronb02NOSPAM@gmail_com  rjmbv5$drj$6@dont-email.me
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.13--6.03pm.Seattle.2020
      MrChrisV  967vlfph4li2cfqfq3412aevj68uk276uc@4ax.com
    HughHuntzinger  78d81bab-2179-4bfa-88c0-842be593eb1co@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.14--10.31am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m69 Dropped; 20.9 Minutes, GoogleG, 6.50.55.17,  Sep 14 { 10: 4am, 2020 }: 1^(PDT)  Yɪʪϡ
      Greenhouse Earth is greener.

Greenhouse Earth is greener.

NASA.GOV, April 26, 2016:
//  From a quarter to half of 
//  Earth’s vegetated lands has shown 
//  significant greening over 
//  the last 35 years largely due to 
//  rising levels of atmospheric 
//  carbon dioxide.
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            RonB│ronb02NOSPAM@gmail_com  rjjau1$suv$1@dont-email.me
          Chris_Ahlstrom│OFeem1987  rjlv74$1a2$6@dont-email.me
        RonB│ronb02NOSPAM@gmail_com  rjm1vk$ibc$7@dont-email.me
      Chris_Ahlstrom│OFeem1987  rjnh1u$ul0$3@dont-email.me
    RonB│ronb02NOSPAM@gmail_com  rjnjmg$cco$2@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.14--4.39am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m71 Cool; 11.3 Minutes, slrn➤Linux, Eternal-September.ORG,  Sep 14 {  4:20am, 2020 }:48  Yɪɱʨ
      Burning down Hidin' Biden's house.

RonB notes:
> Only six to eight thousand have died FROM 
> Covid-19 alone ( according to the CDC ). 
>    [...]
> I'm sick of this lying bullshit.

It's all politics, no science.

There's going to be lawsuits.

Government dependents, Democrats,
are lying their deadbeat asses off 
( to avoid work and not pay rent ).

And what's wrong with CO2's "greenhouse effect" ?! 
nothing is greener than a greenhouse
( until antifa burns it down ).

If Hidin' Biden wins, Marxist Antifa/BLM 
will burn down Biden's house too.
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              anonlinuxuser│linuxuser@noone_  rjk8a6$j7p$1@dont-email.me
            mGhost│mGhost@mouse-potato_com  rjkdis$9sg$1@dont-email.me
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.13--3.39am.Seattle.2020
        RonB│ronb02NOSPAM@gmail_com  rjlvsn$ibc$3@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.13--3.59pm.Seattle.2020
    RonB│ronb02NOSPAM@gmail_com  rjmbv5$drj$6@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.13--6.03pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 6  m66 Cool; 9.4 Minutes, slrn➤Linux, Eternal-September.ORG,  Sep 13 {  5: 2pm, 2020 }:45  Yɪ0ʥ
      If Hidin' Biden wins.

RonB wrote:
> When we drove through Utah I was 
> surprised ( and happy ) to note that 
> the majority refused to wear masks. 

Utah and South Dakota never fell for 
the lockdown ruse... so they have 
the lowest Covid-19 death rates.

It's all politics, no science.

There's going to be a lot of lawsuits 
over this lockdown bullshit.

Government dependents, Democrats,
are lying their deadbeat asses off 
( to avoid work and not pay rent ).

And what's wrong with "the greenhouse effect"
CO2 ?! nothing is greener than a greenhouse
( until antifa burns it down ).

If Hidin' Biden wins, Marxist Antifa/BLM 
will burn down his house too.
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              DFS  kvh7H.350481$RF4.288317@fx43.iad
            RonB│ronb02NOSPAM@gmail_com  rjkeo5$dck$2@dont-email.me
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.13--3.02am.Seattle.2020
        RonB│ronb02NOSPAM@gmail_com  rjlvbi$ibc$1@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.13--3.30pm.Seattle.2020
    RonB│ronb02NOSPAM@gmail_com  rjmb87$drj$4@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.13--5.42pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 7  m66 Cool; 21.6 Minutes, slrn➤Linux, Eternal-September.ORG,  Sep 13 {  4:50pm, 2020 }:31  Yɩჴʗ
      If you can't afford Final Draft.

If you can't afford Final Draft, RonB,
and you can't find a cheaper alternative,
pirate it ( qBitTorrent, ThePirateBay.ORG ).

What do you think of 
" No country for old men " (2007) ?
        ...
I have an Intel iGPU too ( i7-8700 );
but it doesn't appear in "Device Manager" (?!),
maybe my Nvidia driver hid it.
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              FR│fr@random_info  rjgekj02ebn@news3.newsguy.com
            DFS  djS6H.96568$BL.48203@fx16.iad
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.11--3.48pm.Seattle.2020
        DFS  pPs7H.266983$7vd.117276@fx35.iad
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.13--11.03am.Seattle.2020
    DFS  ukw7H.234774$5_4.41361@fx40.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.13--4.54pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 3  m117 Top; 1.6 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win8.1, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Sep 13 {  2:39pm, 2020 }: 9^(-4)  YɩპΞ
      Punks don't scare me.

DFS replied ( to me ):
> > I am where I want to be,
> > not where someone else wants me to be.
> 
> Wasn't your life threatened recently 
> by black, squatter criminals?

Yes, but punks don't scare me.

I avoid them.

I wouldnt want to be their "friend",
that's for sure.
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              FabianRussell  rjbooo01ku7@news1.newsguy.com
            DFS  kvh7H.350481$RF4.288317@fx43.iad
          RonB│ronb02NOSPAM@gmail_com  rjkeo5$dck$2@dont-email.me
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.13--3.02am.Seattle.2020
      BranimirMaksimovic  Cmv7H.1036215$JY5.642487@fx32.am4
    DFS  Xtv7H.321913$0W4.260345@fx42.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.13--4.10pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 2  m115 Top; 5.6 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win8.1, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Sep 13 {  1:40pm, 2020 }: 1^(-4)  Yɩეϡ
      4 years left on my 5-Year Limited Warranty.

DFS replied ( to Branimir Maksimovic ):
> > If Win 8.1 it's pretty fast;
> > if Win10, it's SSD killer.
> 
> Tell us again how Win10 writes 10GB
> every time you boot it up in a VM.

No problems here, on my Win10 box.

Just today, I probably wrote 50 GigaBytes
to my PCIe Gen 3.0 x4, M.2 NVMe 1.3 SSD.

4 years left on my 5-Year Limited Warranty;
Samsung 970 EVO Plus.

  512 gig, USB 3.1 thumb drive,
  "Corsair Flash Voyager GTX".
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            RonB│ronb02NOSPAM@gmail_com  rjjau1$suv$1@dont-email.me
          anonlinuxuser│linuxuser@noone_  rjk8a6$j7p$1@dont-email.me
        mGhost│mGhost@mouse-potato_com  rjkdis$9sg$1@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.13--3.39am.Seattle.2020
    RonB│ronb02NOSPAM@gmail_com  rjlvsn$ibc$3@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.13--3.59pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 2  m59 Cool; 8.9 Minutes, slrn➤Linux, Eternal-September.ORG,  Sep 13 {  1:36pm, 2020 }:40  Yɩეe
      Most colleges are crap.

RonB wrote:
> You even have a college professor claiming 
> the "right" for that Antifa thug to kill 
> that man in Portland because that man 
> had the gall to oppose these fascists.

Most colleges are crap.

I got my Computer Science undergraduate 
degree from Brigham Young University,
Provo Utah -- right wing, conservative.
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              DFS  V_a6H.127242$Li1.16790@fx11.iad
            FabianRussell  rjbooo01ku7@news1.newsguy.com
          DFS  kvh7H.350481$RF4.288317@fx43.iad
        RonB│ronb02NOSPAM@gmail_com  rjkeo5$dck$2@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.13--3.02am.Seattle.2020
    BranimirMaksimovic  Cmv7H.1036215$JY5.642487@fx32.am4
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.13--3.53pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 3  m8 Cool; 12 Minutes, slrn➤Linux, HighWinds➤Usenet-News.NET,  Sep 13 {  1:33pm, 2020 }:38  Yɩდσ
      Windows 10, Home Edition, v1909.

Branimir Maksimovic replied ( to me ):
> > Linux and Apple aren't for me;
> > to each his own.
> 
> You don't know what you are missing.

I programmed Macs ( since 1984 )
and UNIX-like systems ( since 1981 ).

Forth, PostScript, PDP-11, 6502, 68020,
and Modula-2 systems (Lilith) as well.

> What Windows version you are running?

Windows 10, Home Edition, v1909.

> If Win 8.1 it's pretty fast, 
> if 10 it's an SSD killer.

I doubt that.

I Copy/BackUp 8 GigaByte files in seconds.

  1 TeraByte, "Samsung 970 EVO Plus";
  Reads/Writes 3.5/3.3 GigaBytes/Sec.

  512 gig, USB 3.1 thumb drive,
  "Corsair Flash Voyager GTX".
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              DFS  V_a6H.127242$Li1.16790@fx11.iad
            FabianRussell  rjbooo01ku7@news1.newsguy.com
          DFS  kvh7H.350481$RF4.288317@fx43.iad
        RonB│ronb02NOSPAM@gmail_com  rjkeo5$dck$2@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.13--3.02am.Seattle.2020
    RonB│ronb02NOSPAM@gmail_com  rjlvbi$ibc$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.13--3.30pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 3  m59 Cool; 18.1 Minutes, slrn➤Linux, Eternal-September.ORG,  Sep 13 {  1:27pm, 2020 }:30  Yɩგλ
      "Winaero Tweaker" has "Disable Updates" options.

You (RonB) asked me:
> What draws you to Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy ?

I like the people here.

I've programmed UNIX-like systems;
Macs too.

> Do you use pirated software 
> or do you keep better records than most ?

While I have a legal copy of Windows 10,
Home Edition ( 143 $, after-tax, from Amazon ), 
I didn't bother to inform Microsoft
when I switched to all new hardware.

I could have, I just didn't bother;
instead, I used "KMSAuto Net" to activate it.

> Millions of Windows' users have trouble retrieving
> their install keys when hard drives crash.

I wrote it down, it's on my thumb drive backup.

Amazon would have a record of the purchase
( Microsoft Windows 8, free upgrade to Win10 );
but I bought it 8 years ago, 
before I had an Amazon account.

> Millions and millions of Windows' users have 
> had to deal with corrupt registry files.
> Again, Google it for the vast numbers.
> 
> Also, look at how many ads there 
> are for registry "fixers."
> If this wasn't a major problem there 
> wouldn't be a market for these products.

Perhaps so, I wouldn't know.

Most people run antivirus software too;
not me, I'm not "most people".

> you know how to get around the mandatory 
> Microsoft crapware updates.

"Winaero Tweaker" has "Disable Updates"
options ( it works well, Windows 10 ).

Major Updates can be downloaded 
from "Microsoft.COM" and installed 
like a Windows re-install.

> My wife's old laptop (an HP) had 
> two video chips, Intel and nVidia.

You should've disabled the iGPU (Intel)
using "Device Manager".

The discrete GPU (nVidia) 
is the better choice.
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              Sergio  rjk7fq$meo$2@gioia.aioe.org
            Carmine_Morales-Vazquez│carmo  rjkpet$1ms2$2@gioia.aioe.org
          Sergio  rjla8a$1ge2$1@gioia.aioe.org
        Rigoberto_Lagerblade│rilag  rjlgdh$dat$1@gioia.aioe.org
      Sergio  rjlobk$472$1@gioia.aioe.org
    Rigoberto_Lagerblade│rilag  rjlpau$ed4$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.13--0.06pm.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m2 Shifty; 15.3 Minutes, NewsTap➤iPhone, POSTED.WlIeyJ➤Aioe.ORG,  Sep 13 { 11:44am, 2020 }:46  Yɩсʦ
      Marxism is a deadbeat's paradise.

Our NymShifting coward wrote:
> Its hard to stop making profit, even its from scams.
> AAAAND  fast forward to 2020. BASTARDS

What is your solution ?!

Marxism is a deadbeat's paradise.

Marx fucked his employee then
rejected the resulting child.

Like Hidin' Biden, he said "nice" things,
while doing the direct opposite.

The 7 trillion $ the Feds 
pumped into the banking system, 
starting with "trickle-down" Obama, 2009,
is just sitting there, doing nothing.

Banks won't lend to people who 
aren't paying their mortgages
( and tenants aren't paying rent ).
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.12--8.33am.Seattle.2020
            Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greg_hall  7faqlflj69e91ump4su04o6ek26d6ndipa@4ax.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.12--1.30pm.Seattle.2020
        Sergio  rjk272$1dlb$1@gioia.aioe.org
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.13--3.56am.Seattle.2020
    Sergio  rjlp9f$dda$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.13--11.55am.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 2  m155 Top; 39 Secs, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Aioe.ORG,  Sep 13 { 11:44am, 2020 }:  ^(-5)  Yɩсɸ
      Drunk tweakers beat young women.

Sergio replied ( to me ):
> > > drunk meth head was choking her,
> > > the cops arrived in time.
> > 
> > That's a typical Tuesday for me.
>       
> that methhead got 2yrs, 
> then hit the streets, 
> but now has 3 charges on him, 
> the aggravated robbery will 
> get him 10 years. 
> 
> At least he's not a roomie.
> is Seattle letting bad guys off easy ?

People like that are walking around
"my" house, fearlessly.

Seattle mostly emptied out it's jails,
and it feels like they're all here, now.

Drugs have been decriminalized, here.

Police don't care if you have drugs or not.

Drunk tweakers beat young women ( and others )
repeatedly; so long was they're in their room,
police can't get to them.

I'll spare you the (many) details.

  Like no-fault divorce, no-fault eviction 
  -would- be a basic human right,
  if governments worked properly.

Quoting ( Seattle Attorney ) Ryan Weatherstone:
//  a resident was caught on security 
//  camera beating an 80-year-old woman.    
//  
//  Due to the Just Cause ordinance, the 
//  apartment manager could not simply 
//  give him a 20-day notice to vacate.    
//  
//  Under the Just Cause process, the 
//  low-income housing provider in this 
//  case would have had to spend upwards 
//  of $20,000 to go through the lengthy 
//  process.     
//  
//  This would have resulted in the victim 
//  enduring the man for additional 
//  months, denying a low-income apartment 
//  unit from a deserving resident, and 
//  tying up resources that could be used 
//  to support many more residents.    
https://thelens.news/2020/01/24/i-was-a-seattle-code-enforcer-just-cause-laws-put-neighbors-and-rental-homes-at-risk/
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          FR│fr@random_info  rjgekj02ebn@news3.newsguy.com
        DFS  djS6H.96568$BL.48203@fx16.iad
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.11--3.48pm.Seattle.2020
    DFS  pPs7H.266983$7vd.117276@fx35.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.13--11.03am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 3  m116 Top; 20 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win8.1, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Sep 13 { 10:38am, 2020 }:21^(-4)  Yɩжʍ
      Living in a deadbeat's paradise.

DFS replied ( to me ):
> > A man without a woman is like a fish without a bicycle.
> 
> You'd be in a better place today ( location-wise, 
> physiologically, financially and emotionally) 
> if you had remarried or partnered with another woman.

I am where I want to be,
not where someone else wants me to be.

Things have gotten worse, I'll admit,
but I'm still enjoying myself, big time.

Living in a deadbeat's paradise.
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              DFS  V_a6H.127242$Li1.16790@fx11.iad
            FabianRussell  rjbooo01ku7@news1.newsguy.com
          DFS  kvh7H.350481$RF4.288317@fx43.iad
        RonB│ronb02NOSPAM@gmail_com  rjkeo5$dck$2@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.13--3.02am.Seattle.2020
    Stéphane_CARPENTIER│sc@fiat  slrnrls2be.2b0.sc@scarpet42p.localdomain
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.13--5.24am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m33 Cool; 10.8 Minutes, slrn➤Linux, Nnrp4-2.Free.FR➤Proxad.NET, 82.248.248.7,  Sep 13 {  4:58am, 2020 }:38  YɩϟФ
      I've never had a memorable BSOD.

Stéphane replied ( to me ):
> > > BSOD's, 
> >
> > Never for me.
> 
> I don't believe it. 
> I believe you don't remember your BSOD.

I've never had a memorable BSOD.

With certain BIOS settings,
I could get a stupid BSOD.

BSOD is a driver problem;
I don't have driver problems.

30 years ago, I could consume all the memory,
in a runaway memory allocation process,
and the system would need rebooting.

No BSOD.

For me, 16 gigs of RAM is the minimum.
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              Skeeter│Scoot@invalid_invalid  lqiplfdfll6cqhk9j9rcitfjmld8ec28id@4ax.com
            Checky  dffcrp.pc6.19.31@news.alt.net
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.12--8.33am.Seattle.2020
        Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greg_hall  7faqlflj69e91ump4su04o6ek26d6ndipa@4ax.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.12--1.30pm.Seattle.2020
    Sergio  rjk272$1dlb$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.13--3.56am.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 2  m156 Top; 7.7 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Aioe.ORG,  Sep 12 {  8: 4pm, 2020 }: 1^(-5)  Yɩʖϡ
      A typical Tuesday.

Sergio says:
> *watch out for meth heads*
> 
> if they have been drinking too, 
> they could kill someone and not know it.
> 
> I know someone that almost got killed that way, 
> drunk meth head was choking her,
> the cops arrived in time.

That's a typical Tuesday for me.
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            mGhost  rjhr0h$klc$1@dont-email.me
          RonB│ronb02NOSPAM@gmail_com  rjj68p$cu$1@dont-email.me
        mGhost│mGhost@mouse-potato_com  rjk6fc$5dq$5@dont-email.me
      DFS  tmh7H.169802$d95.134858@fx06.iad
    mGhost│mGhost@mouse-potato_com  rjkdqa$9sg$2@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.13--3.45am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m7 Shifty; 3 Hours, slrn➤Linux, Eternal-September.ORG,  Sep 12 { 11:22pm, 2020 }: 2  YɩΘϰ
      Stupidity is bipartisan.

mGhost wrote:
> Let's see what you morons do in November. 

Stupidity is bipartisan.

  Come September 2021, next year,
  the world will still be in a recession,
  and stock markets will have dropped 40 %.

  The 7 trillion $ the Feds pumped into
  the banking system is just sitting there, 
  doing nothing.

  Banks won't lend to people who 
  aren't paying their mortgages
  ( and tenants aren't paying rent ).
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        RonB│ronb02NOSPAM@gmail_com  rjjau1$suv$1@dont-email.me
      anonlinuxuser│linuxuser@noone_  rjk8a6$j7p$1@dont-email.me
    mGhost│mGhost@mouse-potato_com  rjkdis$9sg$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.13--3.39am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╳ 2  m7 Shifty; 3.1 Hours, slrn➤Linux, Eternal-September.ORG,  Sep 12 { 11:18pm, 2020 }: 4  YɩΘ4
      mGhost, Montana doesn't need your "help".

mGhost replied ( to "anonlinuxuser" ):
> > No one here [Montana] is dying from this 
> > disease that is no worse than the common cold.
> 
> See... Dumb American. 

Montana doesn't need your "help", mGhost.

How is not dying of a flu virus, and 
not being dependent on the government,
like you Democrats, "Dumb".
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        mGhost  rjhr0h$klc$1@dont-email.me
      RonB│ronb02NOSPAM@gmail_com  rjj68p$cu$1@dont-email.me
    mGhost│mGhost@mouse-potato_com  rjk6fc$5dq$5@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.13--3.32am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 3  m7 Shifty; 5.1 Hours, slrn➤Linux, Eternal-September.ORG,  Sep 12 {  9:16pm, 2020 }:44  YɩʢЪ
      How well does China treat Blacks and Muslims ?!

mGhost says:
> China and South Korea [rule] the world now.

China today is like Nazi Germany, 1930,
but more racist/fascist/brutal.

Russia, India and America would happily
seize territory from China.

Who's on China's side ?!

Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan 
and Black Venezuela ?!

How well does China treat Blacks and Muslims ?!

Have you no clue ?!

> [Americans] are bankrupted retards

What country are you from ?

Europe is bankrupt too, everyone is.
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        SpamBot  rjhr0h$klc$1@dont-email.me
      HughHuntzinger  bf92783e-55b2-4f68-84bc-31da44c253a2n@googlegroups.com
    mGhost│mGhost@mouse-potato_com  rjk61j$5dq$3@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.13--3.13am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 5  m7 Shifty; 5.2 Hours, slrn➤Linux, Eternal-September.ORG,  Sep 12 {  9: 9pm, 2020 }:23  Yɩʡδ
      - Everyone - is defaulting, it's bipartisan.

mGhost says:
> [ You Americans picked ] a retarded 
> bankrupt idiot to run your country. 

- Everyone - is defaulting, it's bipartisan.

Government dependents, Democrats,
like you and Hugh Huntzinger,
are using Covid-19 as an excuse 
to not work and not pay your bills.
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            FR│fr@random_info  rjb4qa0149a@news3.newsguy.com
          DFS  V_a6H.127242$Li1.16790@fx11.iad
        FabianRussell  rjbooo01ku7@news1.newsguy.com
      DFS  kvh7H.350481$RF4.288317@fx43.iad
    RonB│ronb02NOSPAM@gmail_com  rjkeo5$dck$2@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.13--3.02am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 2  m53 Cool; 2.7 Hours, slrn➤Linux, Eternal-September.ORG,  Sep 12 { 11:37pm, 2020 }:58  YɩΛɶ
      I've been programming since 1976.

RonB says:
> Linux is for people who don't like malware,

I've been programming since 1976,
mousing/laser printing since 1981,
Microsoft DOS since 1983,
Microsoft Windows and Microsoft C since 1989.

Malware has never been an issue for me.

I run a malware check once every 3 years or so,
never found anything.

> instability, bitrot, ransomware, BSODs, 

Never for me.

All my devices are well supported.

A BSOD might happen if you have 
a super cutting-edge device, 
and/or extreme BIOS settings,
and/or the wrong driver.

> mandatory upgrades whether you want them or not,

Never for me.  No automatic updates.

I upgrade Windows once a year or so;
the -major- upgrade is like reinstalling Windows;
it takes awhile, and it's tricky,
but I already know how to do it.

> corrupt registry files 

Never, and I quickly fuck 
with the registry at will:

  http://Jeff-Relf.Me/Win10.REG.TXT

> constant licensing bullshit.

Not a problem for me.

> WELCOME to WINDOWS ! ( Not for me )

Linux and Apple aren't for me;
to each his own.
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    RonB│ronb02NOSPAM@gmail_com  rjjau1$suv$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.12--1.40pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m51 Cool; 5.5 Minutes, slrn➤Linux, Eternal-September.ORG,  Sep 12 {  1:26pm, 2020 }:41  Yɩɔʡ
      Covid-19 is a stupid excuse.

Re: No 2nd Covid Wave in Sweden

The countries/states without lockdowns
enjoy the fewest deaths per capita.

Even in poorly-run Democrat regions,
one is twice as likely to die in 
a car accident, especially the young.

Covid-19 is a stupid excuse 
government dependents (Democrats)
use to avoid work and not pay 
mortgages/PropetyTaxes/rent.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.12--1.50am.Seattle.2020
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.12--2.08am.Seattle.2020
          Skeeter│Scoot@invalid_invalid  lqiplfdfll6cqhk9j9rcitfjmld8ec28id@4ax.com
        Checky  dffcrp.pc6.19.31@news.alt.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.12--8.33am.Seattle.2020
    Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greg_hall  7faqlflj69e91ump4su04o6ek26d6ndipa@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.12--1.30pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m6 Cool; 10 Minutes, F_Agent, Alt.NET,  Sep 12 {  1: 5pm, 2020 }:37^(-4)  Yɩɐჟ
      A Deadbeat's Paradise.

Hømer replied ( to me ):
> > I adjust, no problem.
> 
> One of those worthless sociopaths 
> will end up cutting your fool throat.
> Get the fuck out while you still can.

It's not that bad, really.

It's just different, I'll adjust.

Interesting times, for sure.

It's a deadbeat's paradise.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.12--1.50am.Seattle.2020
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.12--2.08am.Seattle.2020
          Skeeter│Scoot@invalid_invalid  lqiplfdfll6cqhk9j9rcitfjmld8ec28id@4ax.com
        Checky  dffcrp.pc6.19.31@news.alt.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.12--8.33am.Seattle.2020
    Skeeter│Scoot@invalid_invalid  r8rplfl8sqc1edc5mhidor57ftvjcjaps9@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.12--9.27am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m43 Dropped; 17.2 Minutes, F_Agent, Alt.NET,  Sep 12 {  8:48am, 2020 }:20^(-6)  YɩcK
      Easy Evictions.

Skeeter replied ( to me ):
> > Charities pay for the move-in and costs;
> > otherwise, tenants don't pay, 
> > and we can't evict anyone.
> > [ the charity is -forced- on us ]
> 
> you can find reason to dump the assholes.

Nope.

Like no-fault divorce, no-fault eviction 
-would- be a basic human right,
if governments worked properly.

Quoting ( Seattle Attorney ) Ryan Weatherstone:
//  a resident was caught on security 
//  camera beating an 80-year-old woman.    
//  
//  Due to the Just Cause ordinance, the 
//  apartment manager could not simply 
//  give him a 20-day notice to vacate.    
//  
//  Under the Just Cause process, the 
//  low-income housing provider in this 
//  case would have had to spend upwards 
//  of $20,000 to go through the lengthy 
//  process.     
//  
//  This would have resulted in the victim 
//  enduring the man for additional 
//  months, denying a low-income apartment 
//  unit from a deserving resident, and 
//  tying up resources that could be used 
//  to support many more residents.    
https://thelens.news/2020/01/24/i-was-a-seattle-code-enforcer-just-cause-laws-put-neighbors-and-rental-homes-at-risk/

> > Covid-19 emptied out the jails;
> > so they're all here now, with me.
> 
> Why did you allow that ?

The city forced them on me.
It defaulted.

> > We're not allowed to consider 
> > criminal histories.
> 
> So ? Do it anyway.

It's against the law.

Acceptance rules must be written down;
no deviance is allowed.

Seattle and landlords decide, not me.

> > Covid-19 is the excuse Seattle 
> > is using to not do its job.
> 
> What job ? They are useless.

Beyond useless.

> > You can run, but you can't hide.
> 
> I have 3 rentals and I don't take shit 
> from any of them.  Pay and follow the rules
> or I will find a way to make you gone.

I was evicting people last year,
but various eviction moratoriums
put a stop to that.

I manage 31 doors, low income.
Your story might be different.

Easy evictions might be possible in Arkansas
Texas, or across the lake, in Bellevue...
....but not in Seattle proper.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.11--4.11pm.Seattle.2020
            RonB│ronb02NOSPAM@gmail_com  rjh36a$67v$1@dont-email.me
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.12--1.50am.Seattle.2020
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.12--2.08am.Seattle.2020
      Skeeter│Scoot@invalid_invalid  lqiplfdfll6cqhk9j9rcitfjmld8ec28id@4ax.com
    Checky  dffcrp.pc6.19.31@news.alt.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.12--8.33am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m51 Cool; 24.9 Minutes, MicroPlanet, Alt.NET,  Sep 12 {  7:52am, 2020 }: 4^(-7)  YɩSϲ
      The whole fucking world has defaulted.

Skeeter replied ( to me ):
> > > Imagine if I have had a 5 thousand $ laptop
> > > instead... I'd be screaming mad, sobbing sad.
> > 
> > Time to clean house.

How ?

Seattle forces thieving junkies on us.

Charities pay for the move-in and costs;
otherwise, tenants don't pay, 
and we can't evict anyone.

Covid-19 emptied out the jails;
so they're all here now, with me.

We're not allowed to consider 
criminal histories.

Covid-19 is the excuse Seattle 
is using to not do its job.

The whole fucking world has defaulted.

> Relf must live in the shittiest 
> part of the shithole.  

It's everywhere, these days.

> I'd GTF out of the city.  
> Nothing like that shit going on around me. 

You can run, but you can't hide.

I adjust, no problem.
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          RonB│ronb02NOSPAM@gmail_com  rjgtn9$ajd$1@dont-email.me
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.11--4.11pm.Seattle.2020
      RonB│ronb02NOSPAM@gmail_com  rjh36a$67v$1@dont-email.me
    Mark│Mark@nobodiessharpie_net  rjh4no$hq3$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.12--2.16am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m1 Shifty; 8 Hours, slrn➤Linux, Eternal-September.ORG,  Sep 11 {  5:28pm, 2020 }:40  YɨϲЦ
      Muscle memory.

Mark replied ( to RonB ):
> > > http://Jeff-Relf.Me/MouseKeyboardLayout.PNG
> >
> > A [39] button mouse ? I don't need it.
> 
> That's a LOT of buttons !
> How does one keep track of what button does what ?

Muscle memory;
each of the 39 programmable buttons are used 
extensively, repeatedly... full-on essential.
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          RonB│ronb02NOSPAM@gmail_com  rjgtn9$ajd$1@dont-email.me
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.11--4.11pm.Seattle.2020
      RonB│ronb02NOSPAM@gmail_com  rjh36a$67v$1@dont-email.me
    .  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.12--1.50am.Seattle.2020
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.12--2.08am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 3  m47 Cool; 8.4 Hours, slrn➤Linux, Eternal-September.ORG,  Sep 11 {  5: 2pm, 2020 }:18  YɨϠʊ
      Screaming Mad, Sobbing Sad.

Re: RonB spent 5 grand on his wife's laptop ?!

  https://www.amazon.com/XPS-17-9700-Anti-Reflex-Best/dp/B08BTW12KR

I've been robbed a couple of times, recently;
crime is sky-rocketing around here, Seattle.

They took my tablet, my camera, my cell phone,
my checks ( checking account fraud ),
-many- cartons of cigarettes, my pocketknives,
my Skil saw, some tools, and some food.

Packs of my cigarettes are 
being sold around the house, 
and my checks are everywhere.

I can't leave my room for a minute
without locking it.

Bricks are being tossed through my windows.

What they never took was my 3 thousand $ 
desktop PC ( nor its devices ).

Imagine if I have had a 5 thousand $ laptop
instead... I'd be screaming mad, sobbing sad.
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        RonB│ronb02NOSPAM@gmail_com  rjgtn9$ajd$1@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.11--4.11pm.Seattle.2020
    RonB│ronb02NOSPAM@gmail_com  rjh36a$67v$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.12--1.50am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 3  m47 Cool; 8.4 Hours, slrn➤Linux, Eternal-September.ORG,  Sep 11 {  5: 2pm, 2020 }:18  YɨϠʊ
      RonB spent 5 grand on his wife's laptop ?!

I wrote:
> > Visual Studio, Visual C, on a 32 inch
> > arm-mounted, 4K monitor, GeForce GTX 1650:

I forgot to mention, it's a curved monitor,
with a wide viewing angle.

You ( RonB ) replied:
> I'm not a programmer, nor do I need a 32" monitor.
> You did read what *I* use *my* computer for... 
> right? There was a reason I did that. 

Yes, I understand; you're happy with less.

You spent 5 grand on your wife's laptop ?!:

  https://www.amazon.com/XPS-17-9700-Anti-Reflex-Best/dp/B08BTW12KR
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    RonB│ronb02NOSPAM@gmail_com  rjgtn9$ajd$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.11--4.11pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m44 Cool; 13.4 Minutes, slrn➤Linux, Eternal-September.ORG,  Sep 11 {  3:28pm, 2020 }:57  Yɨωз
      The Logitech g600 Mouse and g635 USB HeadSet.

RonB asked:
> What *exactly* am I missing by using 
> Linux on "old crap" computers ? 

The Logitech g600 mouse and 
g635 USB HeadSet speech-to-text:

  http://Jeff-Relf.Me/MouseKeyboardLayout.PNG

Visual Studio, Visual C, on a 32 inch
arm-mounted, 4K monitor, GeForce GTX 1650:

  http://jeff-relf.me/Diff.PNG
  http://jeff-relf.me/Visual-Studio-2017.PNG

Copying/BackingUp 8 GigaByte files in seconds.

  1 TeraByte, "Samsung 970 EVO Plus";
  Reads/Writes 3.5/3.3 GigaBytes/Sec.

  512 gig, USB 3.1 thumb drive,
  "Corsair Flash Voyager GTX".

Lightning-Fast speed:

16 gigs of ddr4 RAM, 3 GigaHz 
i7-8700, 12 thread, 4.25+ GigaHz
( gaming mode ).
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      FR│fr@random_info  rjgekj02ebn@news3.newsguy.com
    DFS  djS6H.96568$BL.48203@fx16.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.11--3.48pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 3  m112 Top; 52.5 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win8.1, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Sep 11 {  2:49pm, 2020 }:52^(-4)  Yɨσɰ
      A man without a woman is like a fish without a bicycle.

DFS mentions:
> another lonely, womanless weekend

A man without a woman is like a fish without a bicycle.
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              RonB│ronb02NOSPAM@gmail_com  rjbbhg$fb9$1@dont-email.me
            MrChrisV  j8jklfds07bfkhcoeqk5ilmo04n9g9i39k@4ax.com
          HughHuntzinger  85df6918-d8de-4427-a5df-60abcdbb0696o@googlegroups.com
        RonB│ronb02NOSPAM@gmail_com  rjgflu$mik$2@dont-email.me
      MrChrisV  g3knlflnb0jqshg3gajgs6611l9vv2ri48@4ax.com
    RonB│ronb02NOSPAM@gmail_com  rjgpo8$4hi$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.11--3.38pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m43 Cool; 28.6 Minutes, slrn➤Linux, Eternal-September.ORG,  Sep 11 {  2:21pm, 2020 }:12  YɨξΡ
      Government Dependents, Democrats.

For many people, Covid-19 is 
an excuse to avoid work and
not pay mortgages/PropetyTaxes.

This is especially true for
government dependents, Democrats.

The high crime rate doesn't affect them,
apparently, because they're paid well;
so they reject the call for law-n-order.

Come September 2021, next year,
the world will still be in a recession,
and stock markets will have dropped 40%.

The 7 trillion $ the Feds pumped into
the banking system is just sitting there, 
doing nothing.

Banks won't lend to people who 
aren't paying their mortgages
( and tenants aren't paying rent ).

*If* governments bail everyone out,
including the little guy ( UBI ),
and *if* tariffs rise dramatically,
it'll be inflationary... 

....but those are big if's;
currently, the ( usually correct ) 
Treasury Bond market says 
that's not going to happen.
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              Mitchell_Raemsch  26536bdb-b2a8-486d-807d-8ea21f54a8e3n@googlegroups.com
            Bloated_Donkey_Pancreas│  rj7qva$1bip$2@gioia.aioe.org
          Mitchell_Raemsch  cc3e2a0d-e4d5-4752-810f-3c17a1a56a52n@googlegroups.com
        Sergio  rj8te2$1tdo$2@gioia.aioe.org
      Mitchell_Raemsch  cba37b13-84bb-43ec-b8bb-911efdc1b585n@googlegroups.com
    Sergio  rjeh7m$1ksn$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.11--1.02am.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m159 Top; 7.1 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Aioe.ORG,  Sep 10 {  5:43pm, 2020 }:35^(-5)  Yɨ7ɟ
      There's a time to drink water.

Sergio imagined:
> if you dont have a cellphone, nor a clock,
> nor a wristwatch the room is timeless, 
> there is no time in it.

There's a time to drink water;
when your throat goes dry ( at night ),
you get a dry cough.

There's a time to piss, because:

  Happiness is an empty bladder.

Long-Term Happiness requires a vasectomy.
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              .  504789de-045c-4840-a7d3-69ec4daa8920o@googlegroups.com
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.8--0.46pm.Seattle.2020
          MrChrisV  jbpflf56k31m21eomv3erveue9d0iav8fm@4ax.com
        .  d1d7392a-30fe-48e4-9385-11013d56480ao@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.8--3.24pm.Seattle.2020
    Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greg_hall  707glf5b8u2d22t40lp362tf23p8r9vivg@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.9--1.08am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m3 Cool; 7.3 Hours, F_Agent, Alt.NET,  Sep  8 {  5: 6pm, 2020 }:47^(-4)  Yɦϡl
      Fleeing into the woods doesn't help.

Hømer replied ( to me ):
> > Seattle's dictators are
> > hopelessly clueless and uncaring.
> 
> You're an idiot if you [think] 
> your complaining [ will help ].

It helps me.

I have to ajust to the rising 
hord of dictators and zombies.

And they're everywhere now;
fleeing into the woods doesn't help.
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      Mitchell_Raemsch  3cedf65d-9575-49b3-aeb4-cbf32cbf074cn@googlegroups.com
    Patricio_Whackmember│pee_whack  rj95qi$l9r$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.9--0.46am.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m1 Shifty; 7.4 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win7, Aioe.ORG,  Sep  8 {  4:58pm, 2020 }:19^(-7)  YɦϟБ
      Chanting " Get a brain ".

Chanting " Get a brain " ( to yourself ) doesn't work. 
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              HughHuntzinger  7a35db99-cbb9-4b17-ba09-f62f761f0dcfo@googlegroups.com
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.8--9.24am.Seattle.2020
          HughHuntzinger  504789de-045c-4840-a7d3-69ec4daa8920o@googlegroups.com
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.8--0.46pm.Seattle.2020
      MrChrisV  jbpflf56k31m21eomv3erveue9d0iav8fm@4ax.com
    HughHuntzinger  d1d7392a-30fe-48e4-9385-11013d56480ao@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.8--3.24pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╳ 1  m67 Dropped; 1.2 Hours, GoogleG, 74.105.120.249,  Sep  8 {  1:42pm, 2020 }:40^(PDT)  Yɦθe
      Seattle's dictators.

Lots of things will kill you, Huntzinger,
including breathing ( oxidation ),
traveling, and growing older.

If you fear that,
then you deserve to be subject to
house arrest, under your dictators.

Like you, Seattle's dictators are
hopelessly clueless and uncaring.

Little wonder then that no one, 
not even their precious little rioters,
appreciate them.
■
              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.7--1.19am.Seattle.2020
            .  rj4qi1$j54$1@gioia.aioe.org
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.7--1.38am.Seattle.2020
        HughHuntzinger  7a35db99-cbb9-4b17-ba09-f62f761f0dcfo@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.8--9.24am.Seattle.2020
    HughHuntzinger  504789de-045c-4840-a7d3-69ec4daa8920o@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.8--0.46pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m67 Dropped; 4.1 Minutes, GoogleG, 74.105.120.249,  Sep  8 {   :16pm, 2020 }:11^(PDT)  YɦΡϹ
      Get woke, Go broke.

Hugh Huntzinger replied ( to me ):
> > Driving your car to a grocery store
> > is more dangerous than not wearing a mask.
> 
> Which is germane to the point
> of disease dissemination ... how?

My point matters, yours does not.

Like all rich bastards, you are callous,
clueless, naïve and worthless.
 
> > California Democrats won't let you go to church
> > for one and only one reason:
> > 
> >   Democrats reject God ( for Karl Marx ).
> 
> The higher risk of extended indoor gatherings 
> has been known for quite awhile

I don't care.

Unless you're a dictator,
it simply doesn't matter.

Since when is it OK to put all your 
"loyal subjects" under house arrest ?!
Hint: Never.

Foolish cities encourage riots,
killing cops, general lawlessness, etc.;
at the same time, they force you to deny God,
and put Karl Marx first.

Marx fucked his employee then
rejected the resulting child.

Like Hidin' Biden, he said "nice" things,
while doing the direct opposite.

> > Meanwhile, they embrace murderous tweakers...
> 
> Association with CoVid19 is absent.

Hint: One matters, the other does not.

> > 853 Covid-19 -associated- deaths,
> > as of today, Sep 8th, 2020, 
> > So what ?
> 
> Current rates is the key metric for... 

....dictators.

Murderous tweakers started showing up
years before this Covid-19 bullshit.

It's a red herring, to distract the hounds.

Word to naïve Democrats,
infesting government institutions:

  Get woke, Go broke.
■
              .  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.6--5.56pm.Seattle.2020
            .  dbb7233d-dccb-4ece-9400-f50c57f7eaeen@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.7--1.19am.Seattle.2020
        .  rj4qi1$j54$1@gioia.aioe.org
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.7--1.38am.Seattle.2020
    HughHuntzinger  7a35db99-cbb9-4b17-ba09-f62f761f0dcfo@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.8--9.24am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m72 Dropped; 6.1 Minutes, GoogleG, 74.105.120.249,  Sep  8 {  8:54am, 2020 }:49^(PDT)  Yɦʟn
      Eat the rich.

Hugh Huntzinger replied ( to me ):
> > Conservative Utah and South Dakota didn't shut down;
> > so, naturally, they had the lowest death rates.
> 
> Only if one ignores dissemination & propagation

Driving your car to a grocery store
is more dangerous than not wearing a mask.

California Democrats won't let you go to church
for one and only one reason:

  Democrats reject God ( for Karl Marx ).

Meanwhile, they embrace murderous tweakers,
endearing themselves to slimy, naïve idiots,
like Bill Gates.

Bill Gates doesn't have to deal with 
all the people released from jail,
squatting next to me, robbing me blind,
physically beating whomever they choose.

Starting in 2009, both sides of the aisle,
including "trickle-down" Obama,
poured  7 trillion $ into the pockets 
of slimy, naïve idiots like Bill Gates.

If I had his money, I'd build jails.

Eat the rich.

> > Democrats own the shutdown, it belongs to them.
> 
> So what's Oklahoma's excuse then?

853 Covid-19 -associated- deaths,
as of today, Sep 8th, 2020, 
mostly in nursing homes.

So what ?
■
              PeeScent  df2kjb.1go.19.12@news.alt.net
            Checky  df2l3t.cvh.19.169@news.alt.net
          PeeScent  df2lsr.s2.17.10@news.alt.net
        Checky  df2sau.cvh.19.171@news.alt.net
      PeeScent  df2ueq.bbq.19.2@news.alt.net
    Checky  df38qg.cvh.19.181@news.alt.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.8--0.10am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m47 Cool; 6.3 Hours, MicroPlanet, Alt.NET,  Sep  7 {  5:29pm, 2020 }:34^(-7)  Yɦ4ნ
      Big Chief Ugh-Amugh-Ugh.

PeeScent, a.k.a. Big Chief Ugh-Amugh-Ugh:

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gi1jiWeghvI
■
              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.6--5.56pm.Seattle.2020
            Mitchell_Raemsch  dbb7233d-dccb-4ece-9400-f50c57f7eaeen@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.7--1.19am.Seattle.2020
        Mitchell_Raemsch  400e5c77-1d35-43ac-b50e-f5e2ab7f456an@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.7--0.09pm.Seattle.2020
    Mitchell_Raemsch  38a906a5-2c5e-4884-9539-8c78801d3140n@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.7--1.16pm.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m87 Dropped; 14.2 Minutes, GoogleG, 76.115.244.21,  Sep  7 {   :54pm, 2020 }: 7^(PDT)  Yɥэ7
      God/Nature isn't what you want it to be.

Mitchell Raemsch replied ( to me ): 
> > Gravity is residual eXergy. 
> > eXergy is energy that can do "work" 
> > ( force * distance ).
> 
> The hypersphere came first... 

You aren't making sense; as I said:

  In physics, entropy is how evenly
  heat/matter are distributed.

  Our  hot/dense  sun evaporates into
  the  cold/sparse  vacuum,
  losing 4.3 million tons each second.

  Our Universe is going from infinitely
  hot/dense  to infinitely  cold/sparse.

> What is your disproof, Jeff ?

God/Nature isn't what you want it to be;
it isn't subject to your hallucinations.

God is nature; nothing more, nothing less.
■
              Mitchell_Raemsch  1bb9ec88-fe26-4be1-8db0-4b2aef0f5597n@googlegroups.com
            Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  hrlcfaFrtcpU1@mid.individual.net
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.6--5.56pm.Seattle.2020
        Mitchell_Raemsch  dbb7233d-dccb-4ece-9400-f50c57f7eaeen@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.7--1.19am.Seattle.2020
    Mitchell_Raemsch  400e5c77-1d35-43ac-b50e-f5e2ab7f456an@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.7--0.09pm.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m86 Dropped; 54.2 Minutes, GoogleG, 76.115.244.21,  Sep  7 { 11: 9am, 2020 }:12^(PDT)  YɥлΡ
      Gravity is residual eXergy.

Mitchell Raemsch repeats:
> God creates gravity.

No, gravity is residual eXergy.

eXergy is energy that can do "work"
( force * distance ).
■
        .  hrkql9Fo2f3U2@mid.individual.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.6--6.29pm.Seattle.2020
    Odd_Bodkin│bodkinodd@gmail_com  rj55k0$1ri0$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.7--4.46am.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m29 Cool; 7.1 Minutes, NewsTap➤iPhone, Aioe.ORG,  Sep  7 {  4:30am, 2020 }: 8  Yɥϛ8
      Michael Reinoehl took down a most evil man.

"Odd Bodkin" replied ( to me ):
> > While confessing to the murder, Michael Reinoehl
> > spewed a long series of lies, like a true Democrat.
> 
> People who categorize everyone of 
> a particular political party, either party,
> as all evil liars are EXACTLY the problem. 

He had to lie, to cover his ass.

In the end, he wound up committing 
suicide by cop.

Thus he took down a most evil man.

    Conservative Utah and South Dakota didn't shut down;
    so, naturally, they had the lowest death rates.

    Democrats own the shutdown, it belongs to them.

    Likewise, they own the hordes of murderous tweakers.

    The fact that a growing horde of zombies
    can't afford rent is a bipartisan issue, 
    starting with "trickle-down" Obama, 2008.
■
              Mitchell_Raemsch  1bb9ec88-fe26-4be1-8db0-4b2aef0f5597n@googlegroups.com
            Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  hrlcfaFrtcpU1@mid.individual.net
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.6--5.56pm.Seattle.2020
        Mitchell_Raemsch  dbb7233d-dccb-4ece-9400-f50c57f7eaeen@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.7--1.19am.Seattle.2020
    Minh_Erb│me@uniftp2_info  rj4qi1$j54$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.7--1.38am.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m1 Shifty; 50 Secs, NewsTap➤Android, Aioe.ORG,  Sep  7 {  1:21am, 2020 }:23  Yɥδδ
      Democrats own the shutdown, it belongs to them.

A NymShifting coward wrote:
> [ the general house arrest was imposed on us by ]
> medical professionals who have no business 
> running a national economy or government.

No, pro(re)gressive dictators inflicted it on us.

Conservative Utah and South Dakota didn't shut down;
so, naturally, they had the lowest death rates.

Democrats own the shutdown, it belongs to them.

Likewise, they own the hordes of murderous tweakers.

The fact that a growing horde of zombies
can't afford rent is a bipartisan issue, 
starting with "trickle-down" Obama, 2008.
■
          mitchr_@gmail_com│mitchrae3323  1bb9ec88-fe26-4be1-8db0-4b2aef0f5597n@googlegroups.com
        Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  hrlcfaFrtcpU1@mid.individual.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.6--5.56pm.Seattle.2020
    mitchr_@gmail_com│mitchrae3323  dbb7233d-dccb-4ece-9400-f50c57f7eaeen@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.7--1.19am.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m84 Dropped; 4.8 Hours, GoogleG,  Sep  6 {  7:57pm, 2020 }:45^(PDT)  Yɥʕϐ
      The coherency/predictability of the source.

Mitchell Raemsch replied ( to me ): 
> > (Apparent) Randomness is ignorance. 
> > Schrodinger's cat is dead or alive, not both. 
> 
> And that experiment can't be done.

Unless you're overdosing on LSD again,
and/or you happen to be a pro(re)gressive, 
Covid-19/climate fearing, bomb throwing,
bleeding-heart, hyper-naïve dictator...

....the moon is still there, 
even when you're not looking.

> > In the double slit experiment, 
> > the strength of the -probability- wave 
> > depends on the coherency/predictability 
> > of the source ( the particle beam ), 
> > not the presence or absence of humans.
> 
> Not according to the science.

When did you start caring about science ?!

If it was today, we're all ready to
to point you in the right direction.

> You are supposed to get different
> results with or without observers

No, it's based on -observability-,
not the presence ( or absence )
of an observer.

    The strength of the -probability- wave 
    depends on the coherency/predictability 
    of the source ( the particle beam ).

> and it tested out not to be that way...

De Facto, the -absence- of a test
( looking away from the moon )
is not a proper test.

(Apparent) Randomness is ignorance.

No matter what you may or may not know,
no matter what might be knowable,
the future is just as fixed as the past.

    "God" ( nature, General Relativity ) 
    is static, immutable, changeless and 
    timeless, both everything and nothing.

    "God" ( nature, thermodynamics, evolution ) 
    programmed (sustained) consumption into us;
    we're (robotic) consumers, like the sun.

  In physics, entropy is how evenly
  heat/matter are distributed.

  Our  hot/dense  sun evaporates into
  the  cold/sparse  vacuum,
  losing 4.3 million tons each second.

  Our Universe is going from infinitely
  hot/dense  to infinitely  cold/sparse.
■
              ScottDoty  hrj557Fd778U5@mid.individual.net
            Checkmate│More_Bull_Schiff  deudjs.cvh.19.101@news.alt.net
          ScottDoty  hrjeuaFd778U11@mid.individual.net
        ScottDoty  hrjmbnFd778U12@mid.individual.net
      Skeeter│Scoot@invalid_invalid  cgk9lf1ote7l664f35guj9g0lh9avvvcoo@4ax.com
    Checkmate│More_Bull_Schiff  df0cp4.cvh.19.119@news.alt.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.6--6.43pm.Seattle.2020
  Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns, Talk.Politics.Misc, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 9  m31 Cool; 2.7 Hours, MicroPlanet, Alt.NET,  Sep  6 {  3:18pm, 2020 }:42^(-7)  Yɥɧg
      Scott Doty: No signal, No virtue.

Checky wrote:
> [ Scott Doty ] is so wrapped up in his ego
> and imagined superiority, that he can't even 
> hold a coherent thought.

Scott Doty: No signal, No virtue.
■
        ScottDoty  hrj392Fd778U1@mid.individual.net
      Checkmate│More_Bull_Schiff  deudda.cvh.19.100@news.alt.net
    ScottDoty  hrkql9Fo2f3U2@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.6--6.29pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns, Talk.Politics.Misc
    ╱ 8  m32 Cool; 5.8 Hours, Pan, Individual.NET,  Sep  6 {   :12pm, 2020 }:41  YɥȾf
      Michael Reinoehl, June 16th, 2020.

Michael Reinoehl, June 16th, 2020,
on Instagram:

  " I am 100% ANTIFA all the way ! "

  " It will be a war and, like all wars,
    there will be casualties. " 

https://www.WashingtonPost.COM/national-security/michael-forest-reinoeh-killed-portland-shooting/2020/09/04/652f6e98-ed44-11ea-99a1-71343d03bc29_story.html

While confessing to the murder, Michael Reinoehl
spewed a long series of lies, like a true Democrat.
■
      mitchr_@gmail_com│mitchrae3323  1bb9ec88-fe26-4be1-8db0-4b2aef0f5597n@googlegroups.com
    Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  hrlcfaFrtcpU1@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.6--5.56pm.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m15 Top; 28.5 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Individual.NET,  Sep  6 {  5:16pm, 2020 }:46^(10)  YɥɺЬ
      Schrodinger's cat is dead or alive, not both.

(Apparent) Randomness is ignorance.

Schrodinger's cat is dead or alive, not both.

In the double slit experiment,
the strength of the -probability- wave 
depends on the coherency/predictability
of the source ( the particle beam ),
not the presence or absence of humans.
■
              Janithor│Janithor@comcast_net  rj1l5g$ek6$3@dont-email.me
            ScottDoty  hrj557Fd778U5@mid.individual.net
          Checkmate│More_Bull_Schiff  deudjs.cvh.19.101@news.alt.net
        ScottDoty  hrjeuaFd778U11@mid.individual.net
      ScottDoty  hrjmbnFd778U12@mid.individual.net
    Checkmate│More_Bull_Schiff  dev3fn.cvh.19.111@news.alt.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.6--5.10am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns, Talk.Politics.Misc
    ╱ 1  m19 Cool; 1.1 Hours, MicroPlanet, Alt.NET,  Sep  6 {  3:33am, 2020 }:57^(-7)  Yɤყϝ
      White man's burden.

Checky informed Scott Doty:
> Michael Reinoehl said he was "100% Antifa"

True, Michael Reinoehl hunted down 
( and killed ) Trump supporters.

White people ( in Seattle and Portland )
should stop putting words in 
black people's mouths.

Racism is the foundation of the DNC;
" White man's burden ", and all that.

To finish his miserable life, 
Michael Reinoehl committed suicide by cop.

His dying words were "Civil War".

Scott Doty has neither signal nor virtue.
■
          ScottDoty  hrj392Fd778U1@mid.individual.net
        Janithor│Janithor@comcast_net  rj1l5g$ek6$3@dont-email.me
      ScottDoty  hrj557Fd778U5@mid.individual.net
    Checkmate│More_Bull_Schiff  deudjs.cvh.19.101@news.alt.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.5--11.09pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns, Talk.Politics.Misc
    ╳ 2  m16 Cool; 1.6 Hours, MicroPlanet, Alt.NET,  Sep  5 {  9:20pm, 2020 }:34^(-7)  YɤЩʚ
      Zombies are lighting each other on fire.

Check told Scott Doty:
> you claim Antifa isn't "violent".
> It looks like you lied.

Doty's lies are legion.

9:20pm, Portland, 
the zombies are lighting each other on fire:

  https://twitter.com/BGOnTheScene/status/1302476141219905536
■
      Tattoo_Vampire│sitting@this_  riujp6$fk0$1@tattoovampire.eternal-september.org
    John_McCue│jmccue@jmcw541_hsd1_  rium2d$1bt$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.4--8.24pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m6 Cool; 2.8 Hours, tin➤Linux, Eternal-September.ORG,  Sep  4 {  5:27pm, 2020 }:57  Yɤ4ϝ
      Advocacy

John McCue told Tattoo Vampire:
> Very little advocacy happens here

Yesterday, I wrote:
//  The Fed's money, 7 trillion $, since 2008,
//  starting with "Trickle Down" Obama,
//  was poured into Apple, Amazon and Microsoft,
//  at the expense of mom-and-pop stores,
//  hair salons, and such.

This morning, I wrote:
//  Some like a stadium of adoring fans.
//  A mostly-empty room is more my style.
■
        Odd_Bodkin│bodkinodd@gmail_com  rir6u1$p4k$1@gioia.aioe.org
      whodat│whodat@avoid_void_net  risa5t$g1v$1@dont-email.me
    Sergio  ritmj7$1sc9$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.4--1.20pm.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m200 Top; 4.6 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Aioe.ORG,  Sep  4 {  8:30am, 2020 }:46^(-5)  YɣСk
      A mostly-empty room is more my style.

Sergio wrote:
> Usenet posting is like writing a message on a wall, 
> where others come by and comment.
> Dogs do this by scent.

Odd Bodkin lacked people skills.

Some like a stadium of adoring fans.

A mostly-empty room is more my style.
■
      Odd_Bodkin│bodkinodd@gmail_com  rir6u1$p4k$1@gioia.aioe.org
    Sergio  rirar4$ehf$3@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.3--11.07am.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m208 Top; 2.3 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Aioe.ORG,  Sep  3 { 10:57am, 2020 }:57^(-5)  Yɣxϝ
      Odd Bodkin doesn't have the brains God gave a gnat.

Odd Bodkin doesn't have the brains God gave a gnat.

We're people here;
comparatively, physics doesn't matter.
■
            RonB│ronb02NOSPAM@gmail_com  rioqat$uh$1@dont-email.me
          MrChrisV  tdsvkfh0nb082gq4dfg7hb6b9indoet0pr@4ax.com
        HughHuntzinger  65055027-fc1e-4b5f-a9ac-db47d39bbe56o@googlegroups.com
      MrChrisV  7910lf5d0ml0guablf4au7s10rrpan2q19@4ax.com
    HughHuntzinger  1a2dd142-697b-4c35-bb64-449f370f85adn@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.3--10.50am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    -Dropped, 15.2 Hours, GoogleG, 74.105.120.249,  Sep  2 {  7:17pm, 2020 }:56^(PDT)  YɢДჲ
      "Trickle Down" Obama.

Hugh Huntzinger mentioned:
> destruction of property in order to 
> gain attention for their cause ... 
> ...and it worked, didn’t it ?!

Hordes of murderous, looting tweakers,
thieving junkies, zombies, graffiting, 
burning down buildings, demanding 
that you surrender your home to them,
at 4am, are coddled by hyper-naïve,
snooty, over-educated pro(re)gressives.

When people like Hugh want cocaine,
they just go out and buy it;

poor people steal it from other
poor people, like myself.

Hugh doesn't feel the pain,
-- he doesn't understand --
he's too far removed from it.

Poor people are the canaries 
in the coal mine; they feel it first,
years before Hugh does.

The Fed's money, 7 trillion $, since 2008,
starting with "Trickle Down" Obama,
was poured into Apple, Amazon and Microsoft,
at the expense of mom-and-pop stores,
hair salons, and such.

Covid-19 is a red herring,
to distract the hounds.

2020 looks like 1930,
the opposite of 1980.
http://Jeff-Relf.Me/2020==1930.JPG
■
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.3--8.53am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
      2020 looks like 1930.

2020 looks like 1930,
the opposite of 1980.
http://Jeff-Relf.Me/2020==1930.JPG
■
      hanson│hanson@quick_net  rimgs3$njn$1@dont-email.me
    Bob_Woo│bwo@gmx_org  rioa6g$rfe$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.2--8.12am.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m1 Shifty; 16.9 Minutes, tin➤Sun, Aioe.ORG,  Sep  2 {  7:28am, 2020 }:33  YɢʐП
      Covid-19 is a red herring.

I can't shop at a grocery store without a facemask.

Fortunately for me, Amazon Fresh delivers
( SNAP EBT pays for it, no delivery fee, 
  no subscription, no sales tax, 
  it arrives 2 hours after I order, 
  the driver calls me, I track him
  on a map ( to the minute/meter ) ).

Covid-19 is a red herring,
meant to hide the truth:

  Democrats are 100 % incapable
  of abating the rising horde of 
  thieving junkies ( zombies ).

  Republicans punish savers
  and make housing unaffordable.

It's bad, and getting worse,
but still not unbearable.
■
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.31--6.01pm.Seattle.2020
        Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  hr5lnlFj014U1@mid.individual.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.31--6.41pm.Seattle.2020
    Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  hr5notFjdm6U1@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.31--8.14pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m2 Top; 4.8 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Individual.NET,  Aug 31 {  6:51pm, 2020 }:26^(10)  Yɡʊη
      I'll adjust.

Sylvia replied ( to me ):
> > I'm worried about identity theft.
> 
> The online access to your account 
> might be traceable by law enforcement 
> to an individual computer, which 
> could lead to your property.
> 
> No guarantees, of course, since it is 
> possible for a person to cover their tracks,
> but crims are not always so clever.  

I'll watch everything closely for months.

Man, the thieving junkies in my house
( which the city won't let me evict )
pounce the minute I'm out of my room.

I must take more/better precautions;
it's become -super- ridiculous.

Just today, one of my poor, hard-working
tenants moved out of his 555$/month room
into a 840 $/month, 200 SqFt private room
with a private bath ( shared kitchen ),
just to get away from the people here who 
were physically&emotionally attacking him
( because he stood up for himself ).

He was beaten mercilessly, while down, 
his phone was destroyed,
rancid piss was poured under his door
and windows.

The guy who did it, and his -many- friends,
including some of my bleeding-heart tenants,
roam the house freely, fearlessly.

They even beat young women, repeatedly;
no fear of repercussions at all.

Like no-fault divorce, no-fault eviction
is a basic human right that is denied us
because the city can't afford it.

Instead of paying more, I'll adjust.
■
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.31--6.01pm.Seattle.2020
    Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  hr5lnlFj014U1@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.31--6.41pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m1 Top; 16.9 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Individual.NET,  Aug 31 {  6:16pm, 2020 }:40^(10)  YɡʄЦ
      Identity theft.

Sylvia replied ( to me ):
> > They used my checking account number online,
> > stealing 180 $ ( no signature );
> > consequently, I had to close my checking account.
> 
> Don't take any nonsense from them.
>  
> Remember that a checking account   
> doesn't contain money. It is only the 
> bank's record of how much it owes you. 
> 
> They can't decide they owe you 
> less just because they made an   
> illadvised change to their records due 
> to a false representation by a third party.  

Right, I'll probably get that money back.

I'm more worried about the data 
on the backup drives -- a talented thief 
could do a lot of damage with that.

Identity theft.
■
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.31--6.01pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
      My backup drives.

For the second time, recently,
someone broke into my room and stole my cell phone 
( which I used only once ( Equifax required it ) ),
pocketknives, a terabyte SSD drive ( very sad ), 
keys to my house's public areas ( very sad ),
my checks ( sad ), and expired passports.

They used my checking account number online, 
stealing 180 $ ( no signature );
consequently, I had to close my checking account.

To get the 180 $ back,
I'll have to fill out the paperwork 
that my bank is sending me.

They didn't take my desktop computer/monitor,
nor did they take my wallet 
( because I had it with me ? ).

Previously, they took my camera, a tablet,
pocketknives, and some other stuff.

I can't leave my room for more than a few minutes
without this happening -- strange times.

I need to be more careful with my backup drives;
anyone can read it.
■
      SamWormley  6dbdb73c-737e-4db4-9660-1bfab41055a2o@googlegroups.com
    Dave_Parker│dparker1989  ridvfd$2ij1$1@neodome.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.29--11.57am.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics
    ╳ 2  m8 Cool; 2.3 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win7, Neodome.NET,  Aug 29 {  9:24am, 2020 }: 6^(-7)  YɟЪ6
      Peekaboo scares Sam Wormley.

Dave Parker replied ( to Sam Wormley ):
> > If a tree falls in a forest and no one is there to hear it,
> > does it make a sound ?  Perhaps not, some say.
> 
> Idiots.

Peekaboo scares Sam Wormley.

If he can't see you, he thinks you're not there.

Randomness is ignorance ( nothing more, nothing less ).

God is nature ( nothing more, nothing less ).

In physics, entropy is how evenly  
heat/matter  are distributed.

Our  hot/dense  sun evaporates into 
the  cold/sparse  vacuum,
losing 4.3 million tons each second.

Our Universe is going from infinitely
hot/dense to infinitely  cold/sparse.

"God" (nature) programmed us to ride this wave 
( i.e. to sustainably consume residual eXergy ),
same as the sun.
■
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.28--2.38am.Seattle.2020
        Sergio  rib4no$svg$1@gioia.aioe.org
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.28--2.32pm.Seattle.2020
    Sergio  ribva5$k3u$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.28--3.15pm.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m214 Top; 2.3 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Aioe.ORG,  Aug 28 {  3: 9pm, 2020 }:11^(-5)  YɟɥΠ
      China is Nazi Germany all over again.

Sergio wrote:
> Marxixt countries:
> 
>   North Korea, People's Republic of China

China is Nazi Germany all over again;
but, this time, with extra racism.

Other countries are following suit,
starting with Mao's "cultural revolution";
racism is the very foundation of the DNC.

Trump is our deadbeat-in-chief.
■
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.28--2.38am.Seattle.2020
      Idaho_Homo_Joe│dick_lick@aol_  riap3p$1e5m$1@gioia.aioe.org
    John_McCue│jmccue@jmclin1_hsd1_  rib8ee$iqh$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.28--3.06pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╳ 2  m5 Cool; 6.1 Hours, tin➤Linux, Eternal-September.ORG,  Aug 28 {  8:38am, 2020 }:54  Yɟaʮ
      BLM wants a daddy to take care of them.

Some NymShifting lunatic mentioned:
> > 666

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_the_Beast#Nero
//  666 is the numerical equivalent of the 
//  name and title Nero Caesar 
//  (Roman Emperor 54–68 AD).

Today, "Caesar" is Kim JongUn et al.
North Koreans worship him as if he were Jesus.

BLM worships Bernie Sanders.

They want a daddy to take care of them,
so they can sit at home and play video games.

//  Written in Aramaic, this can be valued at 666 
//  using the Hebrew numerology of 
//  gematria, and was used to secretly 
//  speak against the emperor.
//   
//  Additionally, "Nero Caesar" in the 
//  Hebrew alphabet is נרון קסר‎ NRON QSR, 
//  which when interpreted numerically 
//  represents the numbers 50 200 6 50 100 
//  60 200, which add up to 666.

Throughout the Bible, it's beyond obvious that
Babylon ( led by "Lucifer", the MorningStar )
is the devil.

"Caesar/Babylon/Lucifer" nailed Christ on the cross;
his friends rescued him, short of death.
■
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.28--2.38am.Seattle.2020
    Sergio  rib4no$svg$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.28--2.32pm.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 6  m213 Top; 6.7 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Aioe.ORG,  Aug 28 {  7:35am, 2020 }:37^(-5)  YɟPჟ
      "God" (nature) programmed us.

Sergio replied ( to me ):
> > We put our faith in Almighty God.
> 
> [Yes] believe in [some] invisible entity,
> and do what you want...

"God" (nature) programmed us to consume
"what nature provides" (gravity).

"Freedom" is too expensive, 
it takes hard work;
so Marxism is growing, big time.
■
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.28--2.38am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
      We put our faith in Almighty God.

Trump, Aug 27, 2020, at the White House:

  In the left's backward view, they do 
  not see America as the most free, 
  just, and exceptional nation on Earth.
 
    Instead, they see a wicked nation
    that must be punished for its sins.

  Our opponents say that 
  redemption for you can only come
  from giving power to them. 

  This is a tired anthem spoken by 
  every repressive movement 
  throughout history;

  but, in this country, we don't look to 
  career politicians for salvation.

  In America, we don't turn to 
  government to restore our souls,
  -- we put our faith in Almighty God.  
■
              Rick1234567S│rick_s7777777  43dc6be5-8755-4e5c-b511-94f4b2173535n@googlegroups.com
            whodat│whodat@avoid_void_net  ri3g7f$om9$1@dont-email.me
          Rick1234567S│rick_s7777777  5ab3285b-ca35-40f7-93a5-e603a2ec7548n@googlegroups.com
        Sergio  ri4cph$7do$1@gioia.aioe.org
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.26--0.24am.Seattle.2020
    Rick1234567S│rick_s7777777  cb9eb060-b245-4506-84ad-1ccd739426d8n@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.26--0.14pm.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m77 Dropped; 4.5 Hours, GoogleG, 154.5.146.178,  Aug 26 {  7: 9am, 2020 }:18^(PDT)  YɝГΨ
      Freedom is too expensive.

Rick wrote:
> a burger cannot go up price
> when wages do not go up.

Most people on this planet 
lack water and electricity.

They dream of eating bread or rice;
a cheeseburger is out of the question.

Most can't even digest dairy;
so they're short and skinny.

I can eat 3 cheeseburgers 
-- BBQ sauce, lettuce and tomatoes --
while watching YouTube.

I have to make it, but the ingredients
are delivered to my door, cost-free,
2 hours after I order it.

Not one dime was taken from my pocket;
not for food, not for delivery, 
not for taxes, not for subscriptions, nothing.

> I was buying houses for 45 thousand $
> when wages were 25 $/hour, 30 years ago.
> 
> Houses cost a million $ now, 
> and wages are still 25 $/hour.

The people I know make 15 $/hour,
or less, if they're a Lyft driver,
part time ( full-time is -not- desired ).

Few, if any, benefits.

Long-Term assets are a big "no-no";
governments don't want you to have them.

Baby Boomers ( like me ) have an average of 
40 thousand $ saved for their golden years.

Like no-fault divorce, no-fault eviction
is a basic human right that is denied us
because governments can't afford it.

Freedom is too expensive, 
it takes hard work;
so Marxism is growing, big time.
■
            Rick1234567S│rick_s7777777  648e92fb-f3a8-4880-b0d4-9925cb6d1432n@googlegroups.com
          Rick1234567S│rick_s7777777  43dc6be5-8755-4e5c-b511-94f4b2173535n@googlegroups.com
        whodat│whodat@avoid_void_net  ri3g7f$om9$1@dont-email.me
      Rick1234567S│rick_s7777777  5ab3285b-ca35-40f7-93a5-e603a2ec7548n@googlegroups.com
    Sergio  ri4cph$7do$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.26--0.24am.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m219 Top; 4.8 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Aioe.ORG,  Aug 25 {  6:10pm, 2020 }:11^(-5)  YɝʃϹ
      China is Nazi Germany all over again.

Looking back at the last 60 years,
in Seattle, Utah, and around the globe:

Food keeps getting better/cheaper.

Deflation: each year, I work fewer hours.

I cook for myself; 
no need for restaurants.
SNAP, EBT: 198 $/ month.

"Amazon Fresh" delivers my SNAP order 
2 hours after it's made; 
no shipping charge, no sales tax.

I can contract the deliveryman anytime,
as I followed him on a map;
he calls me when he's at my door.

Fresh, frozen, whatever.

Entertainment keeps getting better/cheaper;
YouTube, PornHub, torrents, ad-free, cost-free;
everything is downloadable ( YouTube-DL ).

No more indoctrination, no more lies;
ZeroHedge, WikiPedia, and Google inform me.

Health insurance ( MedicAid ) is also free,
but I've never used it.

Computer programming and managing 
a 32 unit rooming house
don't require much of my time.

It covers the rent,
with a little left over for savings.

Baby Boomers ( like me ) have an average of 
40 thousand $ saved for their golden years.

Accumulating ( risk-free ) savings
is too difficult; governments have done 
everything in their power to prevent it.

They've pumped up asset prices,
like a balloon, ready to pop.

If you put it in a trust fund,
your wife and kids might get it,
but they won't appreciate it.

Today, wealthier people don't have kids;
so the economy doesn't grow.

Decade after decade, 
GDP and inflation remain close to zero.

Kids today have nothing better to do than 
kill police, break shit, burn down jails, 
and chant ridiculous slogans.

A lot of them think they're black,
when they most-definitely are not.

Thieving junkies, squatters, abound;
they'll kill you for a cigarette.

Big city Democrats love them, 
coddle them, encourage them.

Like no-fault divorce, no-fault eviction
is a basic human right that is denied us
because governments won't pay for it.

Freedom is expensive, 
it takes hard work;
so Marxism is growing, big time.

Governments buy/control asset markets,
and set interest rates -- killing capitalism;
saving for the future is rare.

China is Nazi Germany all over again;
but, this time, with extra racism.

Other countries are following suit,
starting with Mao's "cultural revolution";
racism is the very foundation of the DNC.

Trump is our deadbeat-in-chief.
■
          SamWormley  abc88b56-f160-465f-ae3c-35ebccb7532fo@googlegroups.com
        Wyatt_Hunt│yahu2@oeddos_cn  ri16dl$dlp$1@gioia.aioe.org
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.24--3.29pm.Seattle.2020
    Wyatt_Hunt│yahu2@oeddos_cn  ri1kon$1qi0$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.24--7.30pm.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m10 Shifty; 2.2 Hours, Live_Mail➤Win7, Aioe.ORG,  Aug 24 {  5: 7pm, 2020 }:51  Yɜϡɯ
      The frequency with which one changes their mind.

A NymShifting spammer/stalker replied ( to me ):
> > Bill Gates' IQ is 160.
> 
> I was indulgent with those 64, 
> he might score lower.

Why not go negative ?
-66 sounds good, no ?
■
        .  hqhbp9F9i1dU4@mid.individual.net
      .  ddtg5f.ks0.17.48@news.alt.net
    ScottDoty  hqiaifFgvdqU1@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.24--0.37pm.Seattle.2020
  Alt.Checkmate, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m29 Cool; 2.2 Hours, Pan, Individual.NET,  Aug 24 { 10: 9am, 2020 }:36  Yɜʫρ
      What kind of bed did Checky buy ?

What kind of bed did Checky buy ?

A twin-sized, 9 inch foam bed, 
placed on the floor, isn't heavy.

I'm laying on one now;
it's super nice.

Exercise ( and fame ) may shorten one's life,
it's true, but there's nothing wrong 
with being an exquisite corpse, à la Tupac.
■
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.23--2.41am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
      Since when does price-fixing work ?

Since when does price-fixing work ?

Max Rangeley (economist), Aug 18, 2020:
//  We are not surprised when the 
//  government setting the price of food 
//  in Venezuela leads to food shortages, 
//  
//  so we should not be surprised that 
//  0 percent interest rates leads to 
//  a shortage in yield for investors, 
//  leading to a $250 trillion 
//  global debt bubble.  
■
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.23--0.09am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
      China and the slavery that it represents.

For pennies, the NBA bows down before 
China and the slavery that it represents.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=za34H-dT8I0
■
              FabianRussell  rhr8sh01nfa@news1.newsguy.com
            DFS  SX90H.175532$HY4.166530@fx37.iad
          FabianRussell  rhrjr8012ng@news2.newsguy.com
        DFS  Jud0H.206718$%p.55207@fx33.iad
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.22--0.06pm.Seattle.2020
    DFS  cUg0H.97766$qo5.74611@fx23.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.22--4.41pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 2  m98 Top; 57.7 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win8.1, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Aug 22 {  3:18pm, 2020 }:39^(-4)  Yɛɧd
      PDF, a FORTH variant, extends PS.

DFS replied ( to me ):
> > PDF == PS
> 
> PostScript and Portable Document Format are different.

PDF, a FORTH variant, extends PS,
much in the same way as C++ extends C.

All the above are -languages-.

With minor changes,
a C++ compiler can compile a C program.

nUbuntu.ORG says:
//  a PDF file is actually a PostScript file 
//  that has been taken a -little- further.
//       [...]
//  there are printers that convert every 
//  job into a PDF file before printing

Taken a -little- further.
■
              FabianRussell  rhr8sh01nfa@news1.newsguy.com
            DFS  SX90H.175532$HY4.166530@fx37.iad
          FabianRussell  rhrjr8012ng@news2.newsguy.com
        DFS  Jud0H.206718$%p.55207@fx33.iad
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.22--0.06pm.Seattle.2020
    Stéphane_CARPENTIER│sc@fiat  slrnrk2v4f.ol.sc@scarpet42p.localdomain
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.22--1.37pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╳ 1  m19 Cool; 21.5 Minutes, slrn➤Linux, Nnrp1-1.Free.FR➤Proxad.NET, 82.248.248.7,  Aug 22 {  1:14pm, 2020 }: 7  Yɛɒɿ
      PDF == PS

Stéphane replied ( to me ):
> > > a "REAL MAN" wrote pdf-to-ps
> > > and ps-to-pdf converters 
> >
> > ?! they are the same thing;
> > there's nothing to convert.
> 
> You are hilarious when you want.

What makes you think they're different ?
■
              FabianRussell  rhn49001rsh@news1.newsguy.com
            DFS  PLP%G.55175$5l1.16146@fx10.iad
          FabianRussell  rhr8sh01nfa@news1.newsguy.com
        DFS  SX90H.175532$HY4.166530@fx37.iad
      FabianRussell  rhrjr8012ng@news2.newsguy.com
    DFS  Jud0H.206718$%p.55207@fx33.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.22--0.06pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m97 Top; 32.6 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win8.1, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Aug 22 { 11:29am, 2020 }:27^(-4)  Yɛȶვ
      PDF == PS

DFS wrote:
> a "REAL MAN" wrote pdf-to-ps
> and ps-to-pdf converters 

?! they are the same thing;
there's nothing to convert.
■
          SamWormley  dfb8c418-076c-44fb-9c60-a5811fa811deo@googlegroups.com
        Jake_Tanner│jakes@uftpnc_org  rhp6g3$3rb$1@gioia.aioe.org
      Sergio  rhp77v$qj9$1@gioia.aioe.org
    Jake_Tanner│jakes@uftpnc_org  rhp866$3rb$3@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.21--1.11pm.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 2  m6 Shifty; 3.7 Minutes, NewsTap➤Android, Aioe.ORG,  Aug 21 {   :44pm, 2020 }: 6  YɚΧɾ
      Yay Scofflaws !

Viruses are a really, really stupid scapegoat.

Governments continually say " HIV causes AIDS "
because they don't want anyone to be 
-responsible- for the state of their immune system.

When you do a lot of coke,
and have a lot of gay sex,
-- as people did during the 1980's --,
it affects your immune system.

" Yay gay sex ! yay Coke ! ", they say.

Same thing is happening today,
only now it's, " Yay Scofflaws ! ".

The name of the virus has changed;
otherwise, it's the same old story.
■
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.19--9.22pm.Seattle.2020
    Sergio  rhku6p$nff$2@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.19--11.06pm.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m241 Top; 1.4 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Aioe.ORG,  Aug 19 {  9:29pm, 2020 }:12^(-5)  Yəʤц
      Our GDP is down for the count.

2008, the Fed lowered rates and purchased 
4.5 trillion $ worth of bonds and 
mortgage-backed securities -- and 
they're still on the books.

Did inflation go up ? no it did not.

So far, the Fed hasn't touched the real economy;
credit cards rates are still 27 % APR,
and fewer cards are getting approved.

Debt spirals are deflationary.

> stagflation ?

Our GDP is down for the count;
it's not getting up anytime soon.
■
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.19--9.22pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
      Deflation.

Lacy Hunt ( Bond Bull ), Aug 14, 2020:
//   The problem is people want a financial 
//   transaction to cover the problem. They 
//   want greater levels of debt — in other 
//   words, we’re going to try to solve an 
//   indebtedness problem by taking on more 
//   debt. Japan has tried many, many 
//   heroic measures to try to pull 
//   themselves out. Great results were promised.    
//   
//   The production function says GDP is 
//   determined by technology interacting 
//   with land, labor and capital. If you 
//   overuse one of the factors of 
//   production, such as debt capital, 
//   initially GDP will rise. You continue 
//   to overuse that factor of production, 
//   GDP flattens out; and if you continue 
//   to overuse that factor, GDP declines. 
//   More is not more — more is less.     
//   
//   The possibility exists that technology 
//   could step forward, and there are some 
//   smart people, like Bill Gates, who 
//   think technology will save us. But I 
//   think the technology answer has been 
//   provided to us by Dr. Robert Gordon at 
//   Northwestern. He said in our period of 
//   great growth from 1870 to 1970, we had 
//   transformative, revolutionary 
//   inventions. The combustion engine, 
//   modern sanitation, electricity, modern 
//   communication, pharmaceuticals and 
//   chemicals. Each one of those things 
//   enhanced the demand for labor and 
//   natural resources. Think about the 
//   natural resources and labor that were 
//   require to effectuate the benefit of 
//   the combustion engine. It led to the 
//   assembly line, complex supply chains, 
//   and we had to develop highways.    
//   
//   The technological changes today are 
//   more evolutionary, not revolutionary. 
//   The production function is one of the 
//   most fundamental relationships in all 
//   of economics, and it’s telling us 
//   we’re facing a period of difficult 
//   growth. Given these other 
//   circumstances, it’s going to be one in 
//   which the inflation rate is going to 
//   be trending down, possibly at a much 
//   greater risk of deflation than inflation.  
■
              Sergio  rhgslm$h6u$1@gioia.aioe.org
            Scot_Wagner│wsco22@pptncs_info  rhgti1$1thm$3@gioia.aioe.org
          Sergio  rhgu7b$17v7$1@gioia.aioe.org
        Scot_Wagner│wsco22@pptncs_info  rhgus1$1thm$4@gioia.aioe.org
      Sergio  rhh55l$e40$1@gioia.aioe.org
    Scot_Wagner│wsco22@pptncs_info  rhhfa7$rns$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.18--2.37pm.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 2  m29 Shifty; 12 Minutes, slnr/1_0_2, Aioe.ORG,  Aug 18 {  1:56pm, 2020 }:40  Yɘκʠ
      Spreading fear.

Scot Wagner wrote:
> [ Communism ] is a predatory ideology 

Spreading fear just governments richer and more powerful.

When a government knows you have money,
they take it -- still, you won't starve;
bread and circuses abound.

Americans are obese and entertained;
not starving and bored.

Governments give freshly printed money 
to corrupt officials ( e.g. Kim Jong Un )
first, before it's devalued.

Next, multi-national corporations get it,
to fight the trade war ( vs. Nazi China ).

The poorest pay for it, by decree.

Back in 1943, the cost of delivering a baby
was 1.5 weeks' wages ( no health insurance ); 
-- today, it takes 6 months' wages
and insurance premiums rob you blind.

Each year, one must work 3.83 % 
more hours to get the same result 
( a money-sucking baby ).

Forget having a barefoot and pregnant wife;
it takes multiple people,
with multiple incomes, just to pay the rent.
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              Sergio  rhgslm$h6u$1@gioia.aioe.org
            Scot_Wagner│wsco22@pptncs_info  rhgti1$1thm$3@gioia.aioe.org
          Sergio  rhgu7b$17v7$1@gioia.aioe.org
        Scot_Wagner│wsco22@pptncs_info  rhgus1$1thm$4@gioia.aioe.org
      Scot_Wagner│wsco22@pptncs_info  rhgvlt$1thm$5@gioia.aioe.org
    Sergio  rhh5b5$gg5$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.18--11.38am.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m227 Top; 10.4 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Aioe.ORG,  Aug 18 { 11: 6am, 2020 }:29^(-5)  YɘΖT
      No food stamps in "communist" (fascist) China.

Sergio wrote:
> in Wuhan, they eat Bat bushmeat, 
> cause there is not enough hambergers.

In China, most people have never tasted cheese
or "beef" ( over-worked water Buffalo ).

They can't digest milk/dairy.

Also, they prefer fresh vegetables
over American-style fast/frozen/canned food.

Even in mega-cities, in skyscrapers,
they buy live chickens and slaughter them at home;
everything has to be super-fresh, like that.

Wild animals ( cats, dogs and sewer rats ) 
are a real treat; they pay more for that.

No food stamps in "communist" (fascist) China; 
no one eats for free.

That's one way to cut down on fat;
no wonder they're so skinny.

Some restaurants weigh their customers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3xqManaKmo
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          FabianRussell  rgr45c01de7@news4.newsguy.com
        DFS  N8XYG.124931$d95.8201@fx06.iad
      FabianRussell  rh5k6e0csa@news2.newsguy.com
    DFS  jUxZG.389709$DO2.10382@fx45.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.14--10.48am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 4  m99 Top; 2.1 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win8.1, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Aug 14 {  8:16am, 2020 }:29^(-4)  YɕОЛ
      Amazon Fresh.

Just now, on Amazon Fresh, I bought:

    $
   3.88:  2x 16oz Sour Cream 
    .67:     1oz Onion Dip Mix 
  10.64:  8x 11oz Totino's Supreme Pizzas
   8   :  4x 6oz Shredded Parmesan Cheese
   2.29:     5 lbs Potatoes
   9   :     12 Count Jimmy Dean Pancakes-n-Sausage
  16.40: 10x 15oz Chunky Chili, Microwavable Bowls
   3.38:  2x 6oz cans of Large Pitted Olives
  19.90: 10x 1 lb boxes of Saltine Crackers
   4   :     34oz Antiseptic Mouth Rinse, Blue Mint

It'll arrive 1 hour from now,
and I can track the driver on a map,
even when he's walking.   No delivery fee.

The food was paid for using EBT SNAP,
no sales tax.

Walmart groceries can't be delivered to my house,
here in NorthEast Seattle; even if they could,
it'd cost me 13 $/month for next day delivery.

I was going to buy this at my local Safeway store,
but I forgot my mask, so I couldn't do it.
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              Sergio  rh3mvc$p9u$1@gioia.aioe.org
            SamWormley  3907bb17-c92d-4ab1-b3d7-74c1fc0994c5o@googlegroups.com
          BiologyMajor│LSA@UMich_edu  yJKdnaPW6ZkU-6jCnZ2dnUU7-RednZ2d@giganews.com
        SamWormley  0de4a31b-5810-4a90-b05d-a39f37cc9130o@googlegroups.com
      BiologyMajor│LSA@Umich_edu  SPKdnXjISOTGLKjCnZ2dnUU7-WvNnZ2d@giganews.com
    Helmut_Wabnig│hwabnig@_-_---_-_  t92djf1hkjdvuo08c63sasme8pcffa8l82@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.14--10.18am.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics, Sci.Physics.Relativity
    ╱ 1  m3 Cool; 1.2 Hours, F_Agent, Individual.NET,  Aug 14 {  5:54am, 2020 }:39^(2)  YɕϷd
      Gravity is residual "eXergy".

Gravity is residual "eXergy"
( energy that can do "work" ( force * distance ) ),
as the universe goes from infinitely  hot/dense
to infinitely  cold/sparse.

We are residual eXergy.
"God" is nature.
Randomness is ignorance.
■
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.9--8.41am.Seattle.2020
    MrChrisV  t6bajfhdjbgd7mrdf5amfu7g8o4g2719mp@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.13--5.57am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m30 Dropped; 35.8 Minutes, F_Agent, HighWinds➤Fastusenet.ORG,  Aug 13 {  5:10am, 2020 }:21^(-5)  Yɕ1Г
      A very compact/light 20'350 $ !

MrChrisV wrote:
> I have 10 gold "Philharmonics" in my safe.

That's a very compact/light 20'350 $ !

One could carry it around in a wallet.

> Come and get them.  8)

More likely, your wife will get them.
■
        BiologyMajor│LSA@Umich_edu  pPidnUWYOYB2va3CnZ2dnUU7-dvNnZ2d@giganews.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.9--9.45am.Seattle.2020
    BiologyMajor│LSA@Umich_edu  A_GdnQ30C7w8GK3CnZ2dnUU7-RfNnZ2d@giganews.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.9--4.50pm.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics, Rec.Arts.SF.Written, Rec.Arts.TV, Sci.Physics.Relativity
    ╱ 4  m48 Top; 11.7 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Giganews.COM,  Aug  9 {  4:24pm, 2020 }:14^(-4)  YɒϚE
      We are residual eXergy.

> Thank you emergent mathematics and complexity science
> for showing me where to find God.
> At last science and religion have found common ground.

As Baruch Spinoza said, 350 years ago:

    "God" is nature.

Gravity is residual "eXergy"
( energy that can do "work" ( force * distance ) ),
as the universe goes from infinitely  hot/dense
to infinitely  cold/sparse.

We are residual eXergy.

Randomness is ignorance.
■
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.9--3.07pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
      Can you explain this, Scott Doty ?

Can you explain this, Scott Doty ?:
https://www.youtube.com/user/lasseburholt/videos
■
    BiologyMajor│LSA@Umich_edu  pPidnUWYOYB2va3CnZ2dnUU7-dvNnZ2d@giganews.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.9--9.45am.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics, Rec.Arts.SF.Written, Rec.Arts.TV, Sci.Physics.Relativity
    ╱ 2  m41 Top; 20.6 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Giganews.COM,  Aug  9 {  9:14am, 2020 }:33^(-4)  Yɒʢʙ
      God

"BiologyMajor" asked:
> how [ the appearance of order ] is possible ?

Our Universe is going from infinitely  hot/dense
to infinitely  cold/sparse.

"God" (nature) programmed us to ride this wave 
( i.e. to sustainably consume residual eXergy ),
same as the sun.

In physics, entropy is how evenly  heat/matter  are distributed.
Our  hot/dense  sun evaporates into the  cold/sparse  vacuum,
losing 4.3 million tons each second.

Today's black holes are nothing like they used to be.

12.5 billion years ago, quasar J2157-3602 had
the luminosity of 695 trillion suns ( 2.66×10^41 Watts ).

695 trillion suns.

"God" ( nature, General Relativity ) is static, immutable, 
changeless and timeless, both everything and nothing.

Randomness is ignorance ( nothing more, nothing less ).
■
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.9--8.41am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
      Money evaporates.

Jesus famously prayed for bread.

In the Middle Ages, conquering armies
looted cities and took slaves.

Back in 1932, when unemployment was 24 %,
an unskilled worker - lucky - enough to 
have a job would have to work 12 minutes
to buy a loaf of bread
( 7.7¢ / ( 37¢ per hour ) * 60 ).

Today, it's free if you're on food stamps;
no need for a job; also, you can walk into
a store, grab it, and walk out without 
paying -- no one will say anything.

Or you can get it from a dumpster, 
or a food bank -- it's literally everywhere;
no one is starving, quite the contrary.

Artesian bread; countless varieties.

That's deflation;
chronic, long-term, predictable deflation.

To have a baby, the story is different.

But back in 1943, the cost of 
delivering a baby was 1.5 weeks' wages;
no need for health insurance; 
-- today, it takes 6 months' wages
and insurance premiums rob you blind.

Each year, one must work 3.83 % 
more hours to get the same result 
( a money-sucking baby ).

What if you want to save your money,
and not have someone, e.g. the government,
or a scamster, take it from you ?!

Money evaporates.

Since 1932, the value of gold, in dollars,
increased 100 fold, from 20.67 $/TroyOunce
to 2067 $ today; so inflation is 5.37 %/year,
minus the cost of guarding it, if you can.

If someone knows you have it, they can get it.
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              MichaelMoroney  rgk22n$9ft$1@pcls7.std.com
            Odd_Bodkin│bodkinodd@gmail_com  rgk3f7$9iv$1@gioia.aioe.org
          MichaelMoroney  rgk6ed$9qm$2@pcls7.std.com
        Sergio  rgl3uu$1g62$1@gioia.aioe.org
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.7--11.31pm.Seattle.2020
    Sergio  rgmuo0$14c3$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.8--1.04pm.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m240 Top; 19.1 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Aioe.ORG,  Aug  8 {   :34pm, 2020 }:22^(-5)  YɑщД
      Why does Russia depress me so ?

Sergio replied ( to me ):
> > I thought you were born in Russia.
> 
> yep, and spent time there too

Why does Russia depress me so ?

It's just gray skies, dilapidated buildings,
and beautiful, hopeless women.
■
              BiologyMajor│LSA@Umich_edu  SN-dnUekMtVRrbbCnZ2dnUU7-d2dnZ2d@giganews.com
            .  27e9843a-bc11-42a0-87a7-ff5fd0ad272eo@googlegroups.com
          BiologyMajor│LSA@Umich_edu  C6SdnanR58ut2LbCnZ2dnUU7-T_NnZ2d@giganews.com
        Chrysi_Cat│chrysicat@gmail_com  mEQWG.136121$5_4.62791@fx40.iad
      J_Clarke│jclarke_873638@gmail_  ipctifdb3cparga6t9q4ljg5mj59crn4a9@4ax.com
    Chrysi_Cat│chrysicat@gmail_com  msBXG.256587$eN2.198971@fx47.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.8--0.38pm.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics, Rec.Arts.SF.Written, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m4 Shifty; 1.4 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, HighWinds➤Usenetserver.COM,  Aug  8 { 10:40am, 2020 }:32^(-6)  YɑжО
      - Kristallnacht -

Chrysi_Cat wrote:
> I AM a flaming knee-jerk liberal 
> and getting more so as it becomes clear 
> that we may well be looking at 
> a binary choice between fascism and Marxism,

At least you own it, that's nice.

Democrats are staring at themselves in the mirror
when they scream " Racist ! "; they can't see 
any Republicans, nor do they want to.

Like Nazi Germany, racism is the foundation
of the Democrat's - regressive - movement.

Like Nazi Germany ( and China today ), 
Democrats are constantly revising history,
mimicking Mao's Cultural Devolution,
lynching anyone suspected of WrongThought.

Democrats promote Covid-spreading,
violent rioters, - Kristallnacht -,
and extensive graffiti if-and-only-if 
it supports the party.

God forbid someone dream of going to church;
Mao would roll over in his grave.

The more panic one can induce,
the more one can raise insurance premiums,
taxes and regulations -- making one richer.

America's 2018-2019 flu season saw nearly 61,200 deaths.

January 1, 2020 to May 18, 2020 saw 
83,000 COVID-19–associated deaths.

"Associated deaths" ignores a multitude of factors.

A sane society doesn't test everyone;
rather, it quarantines the sick.
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              Sergio  rgjnkv$10js$1@gioia.aioe.org
            Odd_Bodkin│bodkinodd@gmail_com  rgjrr2$u77$1@gioia.aioe.org
          MichaelMoroney  rgk22n$9ft$1@pcls7.std.com
        Odd_Bodkin│bodkinodd@gmail_com  rgk3f7$9iv$1@gioia.aioe.org
      MichaelMoroney  rgk6ed$9qm$2@pcls7.std.com
    Sergio  rgl3uu$1g62$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.7--11.31pm.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m242 Top; 3.4 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Aioe.ORG,  Aug  7 {  7:51pm, 2020 }:11^(-5)  YɑʔΠ
      Sergio

Sergio wrote:
> I lived on Guam in the 60's
> I would go Boonie Stomping, exploring the jungle,
> long sleves, tape pants legs to boots, gloves, hat, etc

You're older than the hills, and twice as dusty.

Why were you there ?

I thought you were born in Russia.
■
              HughHuntzinger  8fdb9a69-2efb-4f0e-8c9c-2b9494c32abdo@googlegroups.com
            MrChrisV  o74riftbhabbvo0fm7jm0348cf79102got@4ax.com
          HughHuntzinger  cdf1ba69-cb9d-4be3-ac22-3f61dc0980b2o@googlegroups.com
        SpamBot  rgk942$isr$6@dont-email.me
      MrChrisV  abbrifdgnidkp0guqcan76d1b5h0vf7g8t@4ax.com
    RonB│ronb02NOSPAM@gmail_com  rgkasm$vvn$4@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.7--1.17pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 2  m57 Cool; 13.7 Minutes, slrn➤Linux, Eternal-September.ORG,  Aug  7 {   :43pm, 2020 }:18  YɑɅɌ
      Banks didn't sell their foreclosed homes.

After the 2008 subprime boondoggle, 
banks didn't sell their foreclosed homes,
they just let them sit empty, rent free,
raking in the cash ( due to appreciation ).

Three million $ homes sit idle,
appreciating at an amazing rate;
later, they sell for 8 million $.

No one needs to pay rent because, last 12 years,
the government has poured trillions of dollars
into real estate, more than making up for it.
■
              JimPennino  hgcuvg-hij.ln1@mail.specsol.com
            BiologyMajor│LSA@Umich_edu  YNGdnXJ6CrGDj7DCnZ2dnUU7-cnNnZ2d@giganews.com
          Sergio  rgjnkv$10js$1@gioia.aioe.org
        Odd_Bodkin│bodkinodd@gmail_com  rgjrr2$u77$1@gioia.aioe.org
      MichaelMoroney  rgk22n$9ft$1@pcls7.std.com
    Odd_Bodkin│bodkinodd@gmail_com  rgk3f7$9iv$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.7--11.15am.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╳ 1  m66 Cool; 1.8 Minutes, NewsTap➤iPad, Aioe.ORG,  Aug  7 { 10:36am, 2020 }:39  Yɑud
      The Firebombing of Tokyo [ worse than nukes ].

The Firebombing of Tokyo [ worse than nukes ]:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdAvWfVD5Fk
■
            SamWormley  e2325262-667f-4f43-8633-3abf7916026do@googlegroups.com
          BiologyMajor│LSA@Umich_edu  YuadnR5jEMCT5rHCnZ2dnUU7-SGdnZ2d@giganews.com
        Sergio  rgi8lv$1dft$4@gioia.aioe.org
      BiologyMajor│LSA@Umich_edu  hY2dnYc-Xct3irDCnZ2dnUU7-VXNnZ2d@giganews.com
    Sergio  rgk1uh$1kk4$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.7--10.31am.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m245 Top; 4.5 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Aioe.ORG,  Aug  7 { 10:10am, 2020 }:41^(-5)  YɑpЧ
      What's greener than a greenhouse ?

Sergio noted:
> the last [ grand solar minimum ] 
> cooled the earth by 20 degrees !
> a 7% reduction in solar output !
> 
> Glowball worming is expected to warm
> the earth only 1.2 degrees by then !

Why is warming a bad thing ?

Satellite images indicate that 
the earth is getting greener.

What's greener than a greenhouse ?

Shacks destroyed in hurricane alley,
or in a forest that naturally burns,
doesn't prove that Bill Gates, AOC,
and Greta Thunberg are right.
■
              JimPennino  1cvrvg-gob.ln1@mail.specsol.com
            BiologyMajor│LSA@Umich_edu  VsudnXVvnYVm77HCnZ2dnUU7-IvNnZ2d@giganews.com
          JimPennino  hgcuvg-hij.ln1@mail.specsol.com
        BiologyMajor│LSA@Umich_edu  YNGdnXJ6CrGDj7DCnZ2dnUU7-cnNnZ2d@giganews.com
      Sergio  rgjnkv$10js$1@gioia.aioe.org
    Odd_Bodkin│bodkinodd@gmail_com  rgjrr2$u77$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.7--9.02am.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m65 Cool; 19.2 Minutes, NewsTap➤iPad, Aioe.ORG,  Aug  7 {  8:26am, 2020 }:26  YɑYʒ
      Mao would roll over in his grave.

Odd_Bodkin replied ( to Sergio ):
> > [ you think America ] 
> > had 8*12 = 96 Carriers ????
> 
> By the end of the war in 1945, 
> the US had 27 aircraft carriers

"BiologyMajor" lies like a Democrat.

They're constantly revising history,
mimicking Mao's Cultural Devolution,
lynching anyone suspected of WrongThought.

Democrats promote Covid-spreading,
violent rioters and extensive graffiti
if-and-only-if it supports the party.

God forbid someone dream of going to church;
Mao would roll over in his grave.

The more panic one can induce,
the more one can raise insurance premiums,
taxes and regulations -- making one richer.
■
      SamWormley  c0785821-6bbe-452d-850b-f36037182919o@googlegroups.com
    Sergio  rghg47$ejk$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.6--11.32am.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m228 Top; 32 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Aioe.ORG,  Aug  6 { 10:54am, 2020 }:15^(-5)  YɐΔF
      Every post from Sam Wormley.

Every post from Sam Wormley is 
yet another ad from the CCP.

The more panic one can induce,
the more one can raise insurance premiums,
taxes and regulations -- making one richer.
■
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.6--11.24am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
      Seattle's mayor promotes Covid-spreading.

Seattle's mayor promotes Covid-spreading,
violent rioters and extensive graffiti
if-and-only-if it supports her party
-- it's pure politics.

For the same reason,
she doesn't want anyone working
or going to school.

Going to church is out of the question,
because it -really- triggers her tyrannical hammer.

Same thing is happening in China;
she's mimicking the CCP.
■
          SamWormley  c1a3cf5f-513e-45bf-b6ad-7f05101e14a0o@googlegroups.com
        Edward_Prochak│edprochak@gmail_  abcc4494-1a84-48dc-9021-25ea3f1b251do@googlegroups.com
      Sergio  rgbvd3$11v6$1@gioia.aioe.org
    Edward_Prochak│edprochak@gmail_  bf8f0ca6-3be4-4ee9-abd8-457e6cc9f47eo@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.5--8.38am.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 4  m64 Cool; 15 Hours, GoogleG, 174.131.48.120,  Aug  4 {  4:59pm, 2020 }:23^(PDT)  Yɍɷბ
      Tesla batteries cost: 52 $/month.

Edward Prochak wrote:
> $30,000 ICE car new
> $30,000 maintenance over 150,000 miles
> 
> $60,000 Tesla new
> $ 2,000 maintenance (tires, brake pads)

Tesla batteries cost: 52 $/month.

Google: Tesla battery warranty

8 years or 150,000 miles, 
whichever comes first.

Google: Tesla battery replacement cost

between $3,000 and $7,000

That's about 5 thousand $ every 8 years;
52 $/month.
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              MrChrisV  c68giftadq1nmuc06hmvoake1tfcf3eaqm@4ax.com
            HughHuntzinger  175de10d-6c5b-4a7a-96ca-1305c71a7efbo@googlegroups.com
          MrChrisV  amdgifp2far96g43lacts52nfoa94sicu6@4ax.com
        HughHuntzinger  57790502-453e-4e6a-b858-123e2fb77bc1o@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.3--1.55pm.Seattle.2020
    HughHuntzinger  47b7f49b-a31b-4570-8682-505b41e7f18fo@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.3--3.06pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m100 Dropped; 11.1 Minutes, GoogleG, 173.70.116.6,  Aug  3 {  2:37pm, 2020 }:56^(PDT)  YɌρɴ
      Play stupid games, win stupid prizes, Hugh Huntzinger.

Hugh Huntzinger replied ( to me ):
> > How is not going to work&church,
> > rioting more each day,
> > damaging people&property, a good idea ?!
> 
> As prior:  "Didn't say that it did."

The vast majority of today's media,
as well as most mayors and governors,
are cheering on rioters even as they prohibit 
people from going to work and/or church.

I count you among them.

> > How is this regressive, cultural devolution,
> > lynching anyone suspected of "wrong thought",
> > not just mimicking China ?!
> 
> The level of violence in protests is down 
> significantly since the Feds pulled back.

Unfortunately for you, 
the world isn't how you and your buddies imagine it.

Saturday night, in Portland:
//  As one group of protesters gathered 
//  outside the courthouse -another- marched 
//  to a precinct for the Multnomah County 
//  Sheriff's Office -and- Portland Police Bureau.  
//  
//  [ Lost boys ] threw glass bottles 
//  and directed lasers at officers.
//  
//  By midnight, protesters again began 
//  to march through the streets downtown.

Democrats are "mostly peaceful"
like OJ was "mostly peaceful" 
the night he killed his wife.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Democrats have defaulted on life itself;
given up, joined the commune.

//  Protesters set a fire that severely 
//  damaged the Elk Statue on Main Street 
//  in downtown Portland and damaged 
//  nearby bathrooms at Lownsdale Square 
//  and Chapman Park, July 2, 2020.  

//  the [graffitied] sculpture was to provide 
//  an accessible watering place for 
//  " bird, beast, and human ".
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              ScottDoty  hoobklFefjlU4@mid.individual.net
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.3--5.18am.Seattle.2020
          MrChrisV  c68giftadq1nmuc06hmvoake1tfcf3eaqm@4ax.com
        HughHuntzinger  175de10d-6c5b-4a7a-96ca-1305c71a7efbo@googlegroups.com
      MrChrisV  amdgifp2far96g43lacts52nfoa94sicu6@4ax.com
    HughHuntzinger  57790502-453e-4e6a-b858-123e2fb77bc1o@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.3--1.57pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m100 Dropped; 3 Hours, GoogleG, 173.70.116.6,  Aug  3 { 10:50am, 2020 }:  ^(PDT)  YɌΓɸ
      Hugh Huntzinger: Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Hugh Huntzinger imagined:
> if I had to be hit in the face...

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes,
Hugh Huntzinger.
                
How is not going to work&church,
rioting more each day,
damaging people&property, a good idea ?!

How is this regressive, cultural devolution,
lynching anyone suspected of "wrong thought",
not just mimicking China ?!
■
    ScottDoty  hoobklFefjlU4@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.3--5.18am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns, Talk.Politics.Misc
    ╱ 4  m26 Cool; 17.9 Hours, Pan, Individual.NET,  Aug  2 { 10:32am, 2020 }: 5  YɅеɽ
      Scott Doty monkeying China.

//  Protesters set a fire that severely 
//  damaged the Elk Statue on Main Street 
//  in downtown Portland and damaged 
//  nearby bathrooms at Lownsdale Square 
//  and Chapman Park, July 2, 2020.  

//  the [graffitied] sculpture was to provide 
//  an accessible watering place for 
//  " bird, beast, and human ".

High on pot, Scott Doty imagined:
> [rioters] are not violating any federal laws.

Three cops were permanently blinded by lasers.
Bombs and bottles were thrown, arrests were made.

If you get harmed while attacking Portland,
permanently damaging people and property,
it's your own damn fault;
-- play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

By the way, why is not going to work,
and not going to church,
and rioting more each day, 
permanently damaging people and property,
getting Scott Doty's blessing ?!

How is this regressive, cultural devolution,
lynching anyone suspected of "wrong thought",
not just Democrats monkeying China ?!

> The protests are confined to 
> a 2 block radius around the courthouse, 

How can you be so blind, Scott ?!
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    RonB│ronb02NOSPAM@gmail_com  rg4sgr$1hm$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.1--10.04pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m46 Cool; 4.6 Hours, slrn➤Linux, Eternal-September.ORG,  Aug  1 {  4: 6pm, 2020 }: 3  YɅɯ3
      If hope is your thing...

RonB mention:
> More panic porn by the Main Stream Media...

If you're in love with fear, 
and you just can't get enough of it,

and you want to remain in your bunker,
only coming out to kill and maim,
then you're a solid Democrat.

If hope is your thing, 
you're a Republican.
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      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.31--11.24pm.Seattle.2020
    whodat│whodat@avoid_void_net  rg460f$ueg$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.1--8.41pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m119 Dropped; 10.5 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win7, Eternal-September.ORG,  Aug  1 {  9:41am, 2020 }:37^(-5)  YɅkჟ
      The fall of America.

An anonymous coward replied ( to me ):
> > It's the Spanish Inquisition all over again,
> > the dark ages, per the fall of Rome.
> 
> Wrong.

Medieval Knights sacked Jerusalem;
brought back slaves and other treasures.

Eventually, this gave way to knight-errants;
Don Quixote.

Such is the intolerance of today's dark ages,
per the fall of America.

Mao's Cultural Devolution is alive and well,
here in America; in Portland, they tore down 
the long beloved elk fountain ! !

These (lost) boys are "mostly peaceful"
like OJ was "mostly peaceful" 
the day he killed his wife.

The city is sick, infirm, 
incapable of functioning;
in a word, it defaulted.

It's rotten to the core.

Democrats are staring at themselves in the mirror
when they scream " Racist ! "; they can't see 
any Republicans, nor do they want to.

Like Nazi Germany, racism is the foundation
of the Democrat's - regressive - movement.

Like Nazi Germany ( and China today ), 
Democrats don't tolerate " Wrong Thought ".

Can protests spread the virus ?

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/jim-jordan-presses-dr-fauci-covid-19-protest-hypocrisy
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.31--11.24pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
      The Spanish Inquisition has returned.

In America, "Right Think" mobs kill cops with impunity,
( per Mao's cultural devolution ) and the mainstream media,
-- including YouTube, Facebook, and Twitter --
cheers them on, lynching "Wrong Think" opponents.

Same thing is happening in China's ReEducation camps.

It's the Spanish Inquisition all over again,
the dark ages, per the fall of Rome.
■
Thank you, Bruce Wilds.

Some people are so nasty, 
no one wants to be around them;
previously, they were jailed and/or killed.

Today, we need a softer solution;
"Luxury jails", as found in Norway,
would be a wonderful start.
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.29--0.44pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
      Stella Immanuel speaks on Hydroxychloroquine.

At the White Coat Summit, 
Stella Immanuel speaks on Hydroxychloroquine;
to wit:
http://Jeff-Relf.Me/White.Coat.Summit.Stella.Immanuel.on.Hydroxychloroquine.mp4
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              KWills│kwills@invalid_invalid  MPG.398a0af773529ef4989686@us.news.astraweb.com
            Joel│joelcrump@gmail_com  ceg0if56e7nsvebo5s960md8mmevvp1etf@4ax.com
          KWills│kwills@invalid_invalid  MPG.398a10a9a343d2bb989688@us.news.astraweb.com
        Joel│joelcrump@gmail_com  fgm0if58j2ba0u2mpafsk1k7oc9au7jvso@4ax.com
      KWills│kwills@invalid_invalid  MPG.398a2d0aee7c2d4a98968a@us.news.astraweb.com
    Joel│joelcrump@gmail_com  vtp0ift7c6f41ohsuckdp5gu0a164llnaa@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.29--2.12am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns, Talk.Politics.Misc
    -Dropped, 14.9 Hours, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jul 28 { 11: 3am, 2020 }:28^(-4)  YɀΕι
      Overt, Violent Racism.

//  Ohio [black] man [ out on parole ] 
//  in custody after kneeling on crying 
//  White child's neck,
//  praising Black Lives Matter.

  FoxNews.COM/us/viral-photo-kneeling-white-baby-neck-black-lives-matter-arrest

//  an Atlanta-area high school 
//  special education teacher is under 
//  fire for purportedly commenting 
// 
//  beneath the same photo once it made 
//  its way to Facebook further 
//  encouraging the violence against the 
//  white child.
// 
//  DeKalb County School District said
//  it's committed to [ overt, violent ] racism 
//  in our school district.

Again:

  Democrats are staring at themselves in the mirror
  when they scream " Racist ! "; they can't see 
  any Republicans, nor do they want to.

  Like Nazi Germany, racism is the foundation
  of the Democrat's "progressive" movement.

  Like Nazi Germany ( and China today ), 
  Democrats don't tolerate " Wrong Thought ".

  Mao's Cultural Revolution is alive and well,
  here in America; in Portland, they tore down 
  the long beloved elk fountain ! !

  These (lost) boys are "mostly peaceful"
  like OJ was "mostly peaceful" 
  the day he killed his wife.

  The city is sick, infirm, 
  incapable of functioning;
  in a word, it defaulted.

  It's rotten to the core.

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              mGhost│mGhost@mouse-potato_com  rfmsci$o2d$4@dont-email.me
            MrChrisV  lbeuhf9ot0nevmcmgrmo73aauj4vv0po4g@4ax.com
          HughHuntzinger  7f3cd3f9-6296-482d-a9c6-45e60ff6ef8bo@googlegroups.com
        MrChrisV  spguhfp65j3vaplabjpd0f2vtq3n9krl0l@4ax.com
      HughHuntzinger  7c0491ca-e972-45c4-b4cb-9201972a4d83o@googlegroups.com
    DFS  MUVTG.82278$TO4.32385@fx05.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.28--11.33am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m68 Top; 4.8 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win8.1, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Jul 28 {  6:40am, 2020 }:23^(-4)  YɀʈЕ
      search/messageid=

> > > See <rfnf6m$vsk$1@dont-email.me>
> > 
> > Sorry, but Google Groups can't readily find posts by ID#.
> 
> http://al.howardknight.net

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!search/messageid=rfnf6m$vsk$1@dont-email.me

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!search/messageid$3Arfnf6m$24vsk$241@dont-email.me
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            mGhost│mGhost@mouse-potato_com  rfnb3v$21j$3@dont-email.me
          MrChrisV  92cuhfpvfoem1kj0v6tl3sop3v8ngmod97@4ax.com
        TRUMP_2020│POTUS@invalid_  3rcuhfpdm5qht5i037o0jud4lpqalagkfl@4ax.com
      mGhost│mGhost@mouse-potato_com  rfncfi$21j$5@dont-email.me
    Peter_Köhlmann│peter-koehlmann  rfnd8b$cho$6@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.27--5.54pm.Seattle.2020
  ➤Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╳ 2  m2 Shifty; 4.2 Hours, KNode, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jul 27 {  1:25pm, 2020 }:12^(2)  YȿგȾ
      Peter Kohlmann has been brainwashed.

Peter Köhlmann has been brainwashed.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.27--7.45am.Seattle.2020
            HughHuntzinger  d5b7a7fd-cd38-4d24-8cac-fa19697d95eco@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.27--9.52am.Seattle.2020
        HughHuntzinger  0b09fa68-4466-4120-96b9-8855d10a5c97o@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.27--11.08am.Seattle.2020
    HughHuntzinger  25e02c0b-414e-40b9-a504-60a0f6edb920o@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.27--5.19pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m84 Dropped; 1 Hours, GoogleG, 129.139.162.232,  Jul 27 { 11:26am, 2020 }: 3^(PDT)  Yȿоɻ
      Thre Riot Index.

Hugh Huntzinger replied ( to me ):
> > "Flu" deaths have been increasing, last 3 years;
> > as the economy tanks, so does our health.
> 
> A valid point, and what's also noteworthy is that
> if such a correlation is present, then it doesn't
> appear to be tracking to traditional measures of 
> "Economy" that the media reports, such as the DJIA
> or potentially even unemployment rate.  Consumer
> anxiety is a stressor on health too. 

We need a "Riot Index", or some such.

Poor/Lost boys, rioting in the streets, globally,
are "canaries in a coal mine";
they feel the pain years before the "coal miners".

Mostly, it's not on the radar;
I see it, Warren Buffett sees it;
Gary Shilling sees it best.

Shilling tracks people's faith in the government,
or some such -- last 40 years, it's been falling,
along with interest rates, back to 1934 levels; to wit:

  http://Jeff-Relf.Me/1934.All.Over.Again.PNG

> > One must have an - extreme - sense of well-being
> > to not feel the need to have 400 $ in the bank.
> 
> [...] unexpected-expenses [...]

Poor/Lost boys are extremely confident;
they're not worried about the future.

> > A sane man doesn't stop living
> > just because life is dangerous.
> 
> A few will take no precautions whatsoever and crash. 

Because we don't live in a nanny state;
we're free to choose a more reckless life.
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          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.27--7.36am.Seattle.2020
        Alan_Folmsbee│omnilobe@gmail_  c52d64c0-a59a-41b5-872d-2b9a1a087591o@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.27--10.15am.Seattle.2020
    Odd_Bodkin│bodkinodd@gmail_com  rfn3fn$vrn$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.27--0.20pm.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m79 Cool; 41.7 Minutes, NewsTap➤iPad, Aioe.ORG,  Jul 27 { 10:39am, 2020 }: 3  YȿжΘ
      I've no desire to live like Bodkin.

You ( Bodkin ) told me:
> you have lived for so long in squalor 
> and in rooming houses suitable for 
> the dreck of mankind, 

That's your opinion, not mine.

How much money must I have before you'll respect me
-- and why should I care ?

  Trying to keep up with the Joneses is a surefire way
  to live the most miserable life imaginable.
 
> you see squalor and ruin everywhere. 

I saw today's (horrid) recession 
3 years before it arrived.

At the time, I kept wondering, googling,
trying to find out why others didn't see it.

Same thing happened back in 2005,
3 years before the recession hit the broader economy.

Warren Buffett saw it, 
but Gary Shilling has/had the clearest view;
he knows years in advance what will happen and why.

Last 40 years, Shilling's T-bond investments outperformed 
the stock market 6 fold -- no one knows his wealth,
so he doesn't get respect.

As it turns out, T-bond investors really are
smarter than stock investors, like Shilling says.

> You are the product of your own lifestyle choices. 

Thank you !! I couldn't be any prouder, trust me.

I don't envy you in the slightest, 
not in any way, shape or form.

> Your view of the economy is littered with needles and fast food.

It's been years since I last tasted a bit of fast food;
many years.

I'm surrounded by drug addicts, snakes, lost boys;
but I don't partake.

  Like no-fault divorce,
  no-fault eviction is a basic human right.

  When the (infirm) state defaults,
  forcing enemies to reside together,
  things get real ugly, real fast.

  Lives are lost.

> Your view of health is tilted by 
> your preference to work while reclining.

I'm loving my life, I'm proud of every choice I made;
I've no desire to live like you, none at all;
you have no right to criticize me.

  It isn't just viruses that are varying,
  our immune systems also vary,
  depending on our physical and mental health.

  "Flu" deaths have been increasing, last 3 years;
  as the economy tanks, so does our health.

  In the 1980's, they were doing too much cocaine,
  destroying their immune systems; like today, 
  they blamed it on a ridiculous virus,
  to absolve themselves of all guilt.
 
> Your view of of the social safety net is tainted 
> with drug addicts and thieves. 

Society offered me free food, so I took it.
Free medical too, but I haven't taken it;
I thought about getting dentures, but I didn't do it.

Society invented these taxes+regulations, 
for their own benefit; I had nothing to do with it.
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    ScottDoty  ho8gnnF5bepU2@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.27--11.18am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns, Talk.Politics.Misc
    ╱ 1  m35 Cool; 19.7 Minutes, Pan, Individual.NET,  Jul 27 { 10:20am, 2020 }:55  Yȿгʯ
      The 1980's.

Scott Doty wrote:
> When encountering casual ( or not-so-casual ) racism 
> -- don't let them get away with that shit.
>   Call 'em out!  Silence is violence.

"Silence is violence" is an early 1980's term.

Then, they were doing too much cocaine,
destroying their immune systems. 

And, like today, 
they blamed it on a ridiculous virus,
to absolve themselves of all guilt.
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              MrChrisV  9bdthf5lm37tu0u67opp0809kmskqohqqv@4ax.com
            HughHuntzinger  4e416931-ef37-4eb2-a63d-2c2e44f94a46o@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.27--7.45am.Seattle.2020
        HughHuntzinger  d5b7a7fd-cd38-4d24-8cac-fa19697d95eco@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.27--9.52am.Seattle.2020
    HughHuntzinger  0b09fa68-4466-4120-96b9-8855d10a5c97o@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.27--11.08am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m82 Dropped; 12.5 Minutes, GoogleG, 173.70.116.6,  Jul 27 { 10:28am, 2020 }: 5^(PDT)  Yȿдϳ
      Socialists attribute - everything - to external forces.

Hugh Huntzinger replied ( to me ):
> > "Associated deaths" ignores a multitude of factors.
> 
> Sure, but [it's] basically unchanged year to year

No, that's where you're wrong.

It isn't just viruses that are varying,
our immune systems also vary,
depending on our physical and mental health.

"Flu" deaths have been increasing, last 3 years;
as the economy tanks, so does our health.

> > "Relative Wealth" is meaningless.
> 
> It isn't meaningless when ~60% of US households
> are today put at risk by an unexpected $400 expense.  
 
One must have an - extreme - sense of well-being
to not feel the need to have 400 $ in the bank.

Socialists attribute - everything - to external forces;
genius or moron, saint or sinner, no one's "choices" matter.

> > Should one pursue more wealth just because 
> > a sea of drooling morons are packing on debt ?!
> 
> Depends on why their running up debt, doesn't it?  

Because society forced the drooling morons into it;
savers are punished, borrowers are rewarded.

Without punishments and rewards, nothing happens.

Trying to keep up with the Joneses is a surefire way
to live the most miserable life imaginable.

> > A sane society doesn't test everyone;
> > rather, it quarantines the sick.
> 
> But just how do you find the sick to quarantine them, Relf?

One doesn't find them, they find you.

> Likewise, do you then knowingly ignore everyone that they
> had contact with while they were known to be contagious ? 

Yes, a sane man doesn't stop living
just because life is dangerous.
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      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.27--7.36am.Seattle.2020
    Alan_Folmsbee│omnilobe@gmail_  c52d64c0-a59a-41b5-872d-2b9a1a087591o@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.27--10.15am.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 2  m18 Cool; 1.3 Hours, GoogleG, 66.91.21.231,  Jul 27 {  8:54am, 2020 }:51^(PDT)  YȿХp
      We've seen this before.

Alan Folmsbee projected:
> Trump is fascist.

We've seen this before.
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              RonB│ronb02NOSPAM@gmail_com  rfindo$id6$2@dont-email.me
            mGhost│mGhost@mouse-potato_com  rfj6gu$mrg$1@dont-email.me
          MrChrisV  9bdthf5lm37tu0u67opp0809kmskqohqqv@4ax.com
        HughHuntzinger  4e416931-ef37-4eb2-a63d-2c2e44f94a46o@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.27--7.45am.Seattle.2020
    HughHuntzinger  d5b7a7fd-cd38-4d24-8cac-fa19697d95eco@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.27--9.52am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m79 Dropped; 13.4 Minutes, GoogleG, 173.70.116.6,  Jul 27 {  8: 4am, 2020 }:21^(PDT)  YȿМГ
      Purveyors of panic porn.

Hugh Huntzinger replied ( to me ):
> >  Compared to last year, twice as many people 
> >  are dying this "Covid" season.
> 
> The latest CDC estimate I've heard is ~6.8x higher.

The only variable purveyors of panic porn ever
consider is the strength of the virus, which is unknowable,
because the strength of our immune systems is also a factor.

The more panic they can induce,
the more they can raise insurance premiums,
taxes and regulations -- making them richer.

America's 2018-2019 flu season saw nearly 61,200 deaths.

January 1, 2020 to May 18, 2020 saw 
83,000 COVID-19–associated deaths.

"Associated deaths" ignores a multitude of factors.

> >   And it has nothing to do with the virus per se;
> >   rather, it's about America's (mental) health.
> 
> Unfortunately, because of income inequality...

"Relative Wealth" is meaningless.

Should one pursue more wealth just because 
a sea of drooling morons are packing on debt ?!
 
> > a sane society quarantines the sick, not the healthy.
> 
> Which requires testing.

A sane society doesn't test everyone;
rather, it quarantines the sick.
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      MrChrisV  9bdthf5lm37tu0u67opp0809kmskqohqqv@4ax.com
    HughHuntzinger  4e416931-ef37-4eb2-a63d-2c2e44f94a46o@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.27--7.45am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    -Dropped, 19.1 Minutes, GoogleG, 173.70.116.6,  Jul 27 {  7:22am, 2020 }:31^(PDT)  YȿЕН
      America's (mental) health.

You're focused on the wrong thing, Hugh.

  Compared to last year, twice as many people 
  are dying this "Covid" season.

  And it has nothing to do with the virus per se;
  rather, it's about America's (mental) health.

  A sane man gets in his car, despite the danger;
  a sane society quarantines the sick, 
  not the healthy.
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.27--7.36am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
      Regressive cities.

In regressive cities, like Seattle and New York,
where the cultural devolution is strongest,
people smash, burn and kill with impunity.

The (semi)famous must be 100 % pure AOC;
anything else will get you lynched, CCP style.

Trump's DHS agents can't reverse this.
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          RonB│ronb02NOSPAM@gmail_com  rfafg6$46r$1@dont-email.me
        MrChrisV  l8plhfpjf9uiimve2o9soh2ap7pse1i5f0@4ax.com
      HughHuntzinger  ce9e08d1-22f1-4416-b492-e4b753a4f31fo@googlegroups.com
    TheRealSteve  rff1sr$bds$1@fretwizzer.eternal-september.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.25--2.35pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 6  m65 Cool; 1.2 Days, slrn➤openMac, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jul 24 {  9:22am, 2020 }:51  YȽЩб
      America's (mental) health.

Compared to last year, twice as many people 
are dying this "Covid" season.

And it has nothing to do with the virus per se;
rather, it's about America's (mental) health.

A sane man gets in his car, despite the danger;
a sane society quarantines the sick, 
not the healthy.
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            DFS  tC%RG.28768$nI.27479@fx21.iad
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        DFS  Em0SG.77391$GQ4.8561@fx02.iad
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.25--2.24pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m55 Cool; 9.8 Hours, slrn➤Linux, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jul 25 {  3:59am, 2020 }:38  YȾɭრ
      Rotten to the core.

Democrats are staring at themselves in the mirror
when they scream " Racist ! "; they can't see 
any Republicans, nor do they want to.

Like Nazi Germany, racism is the foundation
of the Democrat's "progressive" movement.

Like Nazi Germany ( and China today ), 
Democrats don't tolerate " Wrong Thought ".

Mao's Cultural Revolution is alive and well,
here in America; in Portland, they tore down 
the long beloved elk fountain ! !

These (lost) boys are "mostly peaceful"
like OJ was "mostly peaceful" 
the day he killed his wife.

The city is sick, infirm, 
incapable of functioning;
in a word, it defaulted.

It's rotten to the core.
■
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.25--1.47pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
      Technology doesn't always advance.

Technology doesn't always advance;
check out the ruins in Mexico.

When Rome fell, 376 AD, the dark ages came; 
-- a thousand years of "nothing".

Today's British Empire isn't as extensive 
as it once was.
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      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.22--1.47am.Seattle.2020
    Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greg_hall  e5qjhfluvgm8d8p6idcdfk70j3bgln81si@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.23--5.14pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m24 Cool; 4.2 Hours, F_Agent, Alt.NET,  Jul 23 {   :45pm, 2020 }:42^(-4)  YȽɅχ
      I can't wait to see the next episode.

Hømer keeps telling me:
> Get the fuck OUT of that shit-hole 
> liberal city or you're head will 
> remain totally fucked.

Seattle is a zombie city.

To get a feel for it,
watch "Death Wish 3", 1985.

As I said:
                    
  No one needs to pay rent because, last 12 years,
  the government has poured trillions of dollars
  into real estate, more than making up for it.

  If that ever changes, the price of real estate 
  will fall to Zero and beyond -- banks will fail.

Truth is, it's kind of interesting;
I can't wait to see the next episode.

At least I don't live in China,
where "wrong thought" lands you in a 
ReEducation camp, sans dignity.
■
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.22--10.36pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
      No one needs to pay rent.

No one needs to pay rent because, last 12 years,
the government has poured trillions of dollars
into real estate, more than making up for it.

If that ever changes, the price of real estate 
will fall to Zero and beyond -- banks will fail.

I'd rather have nests of rabid vipers,
hanging out somewhere in my room,
than a rental property.
■
              DFS  74JRG.43787$Li1.20958@fx11.iad
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.22--10.26am.Seattle.2020
          DFS  eM_RG.16866$CM.12216@fx01.iad
        ScottDoty  hnrd3iFb063U2@mid.individual.net
      MrChrisV  re0hhf5s89ae9jj5bfp9fqp9998ab2f2v9@4ax.com
    DFS  rB%RG.28767$nI.18023@fx21.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.22--1.20pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 4  m67 Top; 1.6 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win8.1, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Jul 22 { 11:32am, 2020 }:35^(-4)  YȼΚʛ
      George Floyd is the new Jesus.

George Floyd is the new Jesus;
the mayors of Portland and Seattle are his disciples.
Without him, their lives would be meaningless.

"Fuck you", is the primary tenet.
Everyone and their dog is defaulting;
no one gives a damn.

Why do Asian-Americans earn more than whites ?

Asian-American Culture; 
 -- not "systemic racism", not biology.

Why do men earn more than women ?

Male Culture;
-- not "misogyny", not biology.
■
              DFS  iD3RG.54328$bQ4.53106@fx04.iad
            TheRealSteve  rf2ii9$dd3$3@fretwizzer.eternal-september.org
          DFS  I9gRG.207989$PN2.3218@fx48.iad
        TheRealSteve  rf4b09$pnr$2@fretwizzer.eternal-september.org
      DFS  tLiRG.88973$5_4.77029@fx40.iad
    TheRealSteve  rf4elk$aiv$1@fretwizzer.eternal-september.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.22--10.41am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 24  m59 Cool; 2.1 Days, slrn➤openMac, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jul 20 {  8:53am, 2020 }:24  YȻcგ
      Steve's divorce.

Let's talk about your divorce, Steve.

Older, wiser people can't be fooled;
we don't trust anyone, man or woman.

Also, we're too ugly to be targets.
■
    DFS  74JRG.43787$Li1.20958@fx11.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.22--10.26am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 5  m56 Top; 19.7 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win8.1, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Jul 21 {  2:27pm, 2020 }:28^(-4)  YȻნι
      Bi-Curious, first nation, African-American female, transitioning.

DFS wrote:
> Under the 'underrepresented and/or 
> marginalized group' I entered
>  ' Other: White male '.

I would've put Bi-curious, first nation,
African-American female, transitioning.

It's not true, 
but the truth doesn't matter anymore.
■
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.22--1.47am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
      Everyone, Everywhere, is Defaulting.

People are weaker today, stressed;
so we're seeing twice as many "flu"
(Covid) deaths as the prior year.

My God, if only society were sane, 
it'd quarantine the sick,
not the healthy.

A sane man gets in his car,
despite potential death.

Like no-fault divorce,
no-fault eviction is a basic human right.

When the (infirm) state defaults,
forcing enemies to reside together,
things get real ugly, real fast.

The tenant defaults, the landlord defaults,
the mayor defaults, the governor defaults,
every country defaults.

China has millions of dissidents in ReEducation camps;
if you like to speak your mind, like a bad slave,
China is not the place.
■
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.20--7.24pm.Seattle.2020
    Janithor│Janithor@comcast_net  rf5ju3$84g$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.20--8.10pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m13 Dropped; 29.9 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jul 20 {  7:29pm, 2020 }:20^(-7)  YȻʐю
      Do you need ReEducation ?

Janithor replied ( to me ):
> > Black Portland Cop SLAMS Racist White Antifa.
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvaTOVQdanc
> 
> it's a Marxist revolution.

No, it's a Maoist "Cultural Revolution".

Do you need ReEducation ?

1.5 million Muslims are being "ReEducated"
in XinJiang concentration camps.
http://Jeff-Relf.Me/MuslimConcentrationCamps.JPG
■
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.20--7.24pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
      Black Portland Cop SLAMS Racist White Antifa.

Black Portland Cop SLAMS Racist White Antifa.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvaTOVQdanc
■
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.7--8.24pm.Seattle.2018
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
      Welfare is a luxury only the rich can afford.

Welfare is a luxury only the rich can afford;
slowly, China is approaching AmericanStyle welfare.

In Utah (U.S.A.), my High Schooling was free,
though my family was middle class -- not so in China.

Currently, I get 192$/month in "food stamps" (SNAP) which
can be used to buy most any food, anywhere, including IceCream,
fresh meat/fruit/milk, and frozen "pies" ( Sweet & Salty ).

China has _never_ seen anything like this, above;
free rice and soy sauce, back in the 1970's, doesn't compare.

Outside of the city, old|disabled people get 70 Yuan/month;
inside, they get about 450/month; 
former government employees get around 1,200/month (190$).

27 MegaBitPerSecond down, 6 up, no data limit, internet
is free with rent.  In "my" Seattle, old|disabled people
get (nearly) free housing; "SeattleHousing.ORG" says:

  Applicants who are at least 62, income eligible 
  and reside within the city of Seattle
  receive the highest preference points for SSHP waiting lists.

     University District:  1 to 2 years
     Green Lake:           1 to 2 years
■
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.18--4.41pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
      The Vatican is more credible than the New York Times.

The Vatican is more credible, 
and less biased, 
than the New York Times.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/declassified-christopher-steeles-primary-sub-source-was-his-own-employee-nyt-russiagate
■
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.16--5.02pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
      People are sicker today, stressed.

Ebola was scary because it was unknown;
in the end, Americans were safe.

Same with Covid-19.

People are sicker today, stressed;
so we're seeing twice as many "flu"
(Covid-19) deaths as the prior year.

A sane person quarantines the sick,
not the healthy.

Also he flys&drives, fully knowing 
that there's a chance he may die.
■
    DFS  eWWPG.43980$Vp4.4142@fx44.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.16--9.20am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 2  m51 Top; 3.9 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win8.1, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Jul 16 {  4:32am, 2020 }:43^(-4)  Yȸɳʣ
      The best mobile devices run Win10.

The less-informed imagine:
> the PC is disappearing like 
> the mainframes of the past.

The best mobile devices run Win10;
"VoIP.MS" is the best service provider;
its SMS "texts" send&receive photos;
incoming texts are emailed as well,
if you'd rather use an email client.

Minimum cost: 85 cents per MONTH.
Actual cost: 33 dollars per YEAR.
I pay 5 years in advance.

The Microsoft PC tower on my desktop 
looks like the one I had back in 1983,
37 years ago, in Orem Utah.

Back then, I worked for a 
Computer-Assisted Training company
that escaped New York City.

My PC was connected to a server farm
that looked like the ones we have today.

Back then, kiosks were "dumb terminals", 
for unfortunate  people/kids/targets,
not "smart phones".
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              .  rem22b$o32$1@gioia.aioe.org
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.15--7.45am.Seattle.2020
          MrChrisV  lu7ugfdengf24g6id20l8s4nvdj7oh7e9i@4ax.com
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.15--8.35am.Seattle.2020
      MrChrisV  un8ugfpa8ljqi0nv0q8doebliluaerrar2@4ax.com
    DFS  HeQPG.62034$zX4.31764@fx41.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.15--9.12pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m56 Top; 3.6 Minutes, DFS_Access/python_hack, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Jul 15 {  8:54pm, 2020 }: 4^(-4)  Yȸd4
      Steve Carroll is a good programmer, JavaScript.

DFS wrote:
> [ ChrisV has refused to submit code for ]  
> the challenhallges that have been posted here
> 
> Even the half-ass programmer Feeb Russell
> tries sometime.

Steve Carroll is a good programmer, JavaScript.
■
        .  scudncCsW4E81v7InZ2dnUU7-cMAAAAA@giganews.com
      SamWormley  5b581596-0a7a-4f7e-8910-4374b102c23do@googlegroups.com
    Bkù_Stávky│bkusw@npnsv_nc  renjj5$1rat$10@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.15--0.36pm.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m21 Shifty; 17.7 Minutes, Alpine, Aioe.ORG,  Jul 15 { 11:57am, 2020 }:41  Yȷуφ
      Blue Lives Matter.

Sam's stalker, a cowardly NymShifter, wrote:
> Australian Cops Force a Man into Locked Down 
> With People Who Tested Positive
>   BitChute.COM/video/PCeUbKSUliI/
> 
> These officers need to be arrested along 
> with everybody involved.

Sue the politicians who control the police.

The police are just doing a thankless job;
truly, they're as heroic as firefighters.
Blue Lives Matter.
■
              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.13--6.43pm.Seattle.2020
            MichaelMoroney  rem651$j6q$4@pcls7.std.com
          Checkmate│More_Bull_Schiff  daj8ar.bsk.17.146@news.alt.net
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.15--7.19am.Seattle.2020
      snipeco_2@gmail_com(Sn!pe  1otl9k4.yemmdv13v0m2fN%snipeco.2@gmail.com
    Odd_Bodkin│bodkinodd@gmail_com  ren836$1oeb$2@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.15--9.00am.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m73 Cool; 50 Secs, NewsTap➤iPad, Aioe.ORG,  Jul 15 {  8:41am, 2020 }:26  YȷТე
      Living to 60 was unthinkable.

Us animals have few options:

  -- Live faster, die sooner.
  -- Live slower, die later.

//  You can live to be a hundred if you give up 
//  all the things that make you want to live 
//  to be a hundred.  -- Woody Allen

You ( Bodkin, Snipe ) have no right to chastise 
someone for choosing one over the other.

I made my choices, and I love it.

For 99.99% of human existence,
only a lucky few lived long enough to reproduce;
-- living to 60 was unthinkable.

> shitting in a ladle

My "Vittles Vault" usage is pure genius.

Once every 5 weeks I put it in a contractor bag
in the dumpster and cover it with wet garbage,
so homeless people don't get into it.
■
              .  b6d7d24f-d409-46a5-8b00-b0f0730e60f3o@googlegroups.com
            .  relr3t$v9m$1@gioia.aioe.org
          .  ea2a2ae9-43ba-4d4f-91f6-63e4f69e1d4do@googlegroups.com
        .  rem22b$o32$1@gioia.aioe.org
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.15--7.45am.Seattle.2020
    MrChrisV  lu7ugfdengf24g6id20l8s4nvdj7oh7e9i@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.15--8.35am.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m158 Dropped; 8 Secs, F_Agent, HighWinds➤Fastusenet.ORG,  Jul 15 {  8:27am, 2020 }: 8^(-5)  YȷРΝ
      The Asian-American culture.

MrChrisV replied ( to me ):
> > Why do Asian-Americans earn more than whites ?
> > Culture -- not "systemic racism", not biology.
> > 
> > Why do men earn more than women ?
> > Culture -- not "misogyny", not biology.
> 
> "Culture" needs to be corrected, 
> if a women makes less than a man, 
> for no good reason.

I'm talking about the Asian-American culture,
and the male culture, not society in general.

> " What's wrong with it ? "  -  DFS,
> regarding the use of a #pragma to disable 
> 17 different types of compiler warnings

It's absurd to think that - all - warnings are helpful.

I turn on - all - warnings ( level 4 ),
then discard the ones that aren't helpful.

DFS and I are actual programmers;
i.e. we program computers for a living.
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              Arindam_Banerjee│  96fa20ef-91a1-449f-ad4b-a4a5ee46a2b5o@googlegroups.com
            Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  rekjvk$76d$1@gioia.aioe.org
          Arindam_Banerjee│  b6d7d24f-d409-46a5-8b00-b0f0730e60f3o@googlegroups.com
        Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  relr3t$v9m$1@gioia.aioe.org
      Arindam_Banerjee│  ea2a2ae9-43ba-4d4f-91f6-63e4f69e1d4do@googlegroups.com
    Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  rem22b$o32$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.15--7.45am.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m208 Mad; 8.7 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Aioe.ORG,  Jul 14 {  9:52pm, 2020 }:26^(-5)  YȷʨИ
      Asian-American Culture.

//  Truth isn’t a process of collective discovery, 
//  but an orthodoxy already known to 
//  an enlightened few  whose job is 
//  to inform everyone else.
//      -- Bari Weiss, 
//         NYT resignation-letter, July 2020.

"Black Lives Matter" is the Democrat religion;
heresy will not be tolerated, and 
the end (Marxism) justifies the means (murder).

Why do Asian-Americans earn more than whites ?

Asian-American Culture; 
 -- not "systemic racism", not biology.

Why do men earn more than women ?

Male Culture;
-- not "misogyny", not biology.
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              .  uQMOG.85927$Av7.4859@fx34.iad
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.12--8.09pm.Seattle.2020
          Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  rei07k$u0d$1@gioia.aioe.org
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.13--6.43pm.Seattle.2020
      MichaelMoroney  rem651$j6q$4@pcls7.std.com
    Checkmate│More_Bull_Schiff  daj8ar.bsk.17.146@news.alt.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.15--7.19am.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 4  m39 Cool; 4 Hours, MicroPlanet, Alt.NET,  Jul 15 {  2:38am, 2020 }:  ^(-7)  Yȷρɸ
      60 years is plenty, I think.

Speaking of my diminished physical capacity,
Checkmate replied ( to Michael Moroney ):
> > When you try to use [lung] capacity you
> > SHOULD have but don't, you tire quickly.
> 
> Jeff sounds anemic to me.  
> He probably has kidney disease.

It could be one of many things or a combination;
no one knows -- the cause(s) may never be known.

Age is definitely a factor, no doubt.

If I die early, so be it;
60 years is plenty, I think.
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            Tim_Murray│TimMurray@hotmail_  0001HW.24BCFAF500034B1370000AF0338F@SSL.usenetstorm.com
          SamWormley  ae67f8de-efc5-4dde-a560-f2c130cad03do@googlegroups.com
        Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  rekrmt$1n59$2@gioia.aioe.org
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--3.00pm.Seattle.2020
    SamWormley  64f583d8-f6a8-4096-96a7-10f09ca405f7o@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--3.41pm.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m620 Dropped; 8.5 Minutes, GoogleG,  Jul 14 {  3: 9pm, 2020 }:15^(PDT)  YȷɥΥ
      Pizza burritos ( with tomatoes ).

Sam replied ( to me ):
> > To prepare a defrosted pizza, I add stuff
> > ( beans, meat, BBQ sauce and cheese ) and zap it 
> > in the microwave; then I eat it like a burrito.
> 
> What about fresh fruits and vegetables ?

Yes, I should do that more.

Fresh tomatoes are good.
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      SamWormley  770aa941-9c97-4d36-aec0-057fec89213co@googlegroups.com
    Bkù_Stávky│bkusw@npnsv_nc  rel3qc$1500$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--3.16pm.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m3 Shifty; 11.5 Minutes, Alpine, Aioe.ORG,  Jul 14 {  1:16pm, 2020 }:12  YȷɒϺ
      I'm from the Government, and I'm here to help.

  The nine most terrifying words in the English language are:

    I'm from the Government, and I'm here to help. 

  -- Ronald Reagan, August 1986

  Whatever else history may say about me when I’m gone, 
  I hope it will record that I appealed to your best hopes, 
  not your worst fears; 

    to your confidence rather than your doubts. 

  My dream is that you will travel the road ahead 
  with liberty’s lamp guiding your steps and 
  opportunity’s arm steadying your way. 

  -- Ronald Reagan, Farewell Address, January 1989
■
        Tim_Murray│TimMurray@hotmail_  0001HW.24BCFAF500034B1370000AF0338F@SSL.usenetstorm.com
      SamWormley  ae67f8de-efc5-4dde-a560-f2c130cad03do@googlegroups.com
    Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  rekrmt$1n59$2@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--3.00pm.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m204 Mad; 2.5 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Aioe.ORG,  Jul 14 { 10:57am, 2020 }:51^(-5)  Yȷxϗ
      Pizza burritos.

Sergio wrote:
> I never pre-heat the oven;
> pot pies come out fine,
>  
> sometimes there is ice in the middle, 
> but at least it's crunchy.

I take pizzas out of the freezer 
and let them defrost in the fridge.

To prepare one, I put extra stuff on top
( beans, meat, BBQ sauce and cheese ) and zap it 
in the microwave; then I eat it like a burrito.
■
              .  rei07k$u0d$1@gioia.aioe.org
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.13--6.43pm.Seattle.2020
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.13--6.46pm.Seattle.2020
        MrChrisV  705rgfthmj3rmcebaqciem82lufslc1i3m@4ax.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--6.23am.Seattle.2020
    MrChrisV  rturgflu93fdt3j4opif4gla24m0ste874@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--2.36pm.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m150 Dropped; 1.7 Hours, F_Agent, HighWinds➤Fastusenet.ORG,  Jul 14 { 11:44am, 2020 }:46^(-5)  Yȷȹʦ
      Wasting a fraction of the 1.6 cent experience.

MrChrisV replied ( to me ):
> > 42 rollies per day; the tobacco 
> > weighs less than what you'd find
> > in a pack of cigarettes, maybe 15 grams.
> 
> They must be pins!

Yes, they look like this:

  http://Jeff-Relf.Me/Rollie.JPG

I roll them tighter than most people do;
still, mine aren't as thin as "UltraSlim"
cigarettes ( for ladies ).

> > I roll my own using pipe tobacco;
> > pipe tobacco has a much lower tax.
> 
> Is pipe tobacco meant to be inhaled ?
> It's got weird flavorings, usually, no ?

Not necessarily, depends on what you buy;
I'm not a deep inhaler, I "taste" them.

> > Rolling is actually more fun than smoking.
> 
> You do it by hand ?

Yes, barehanded, no devices.

> I used a little machine, to roll/stuff them.
> It was surprisingly mild, considering no filter.

It's more fun to do it by hand, 
sans devices ( rollers | injectors ).

Instead of a cotton filter, 
I just toss the roach (butt), un-smoked,
wasting a fraction of the 1.6 cent experience.
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              DFS  uQMOG.85927$Av7.4859@fx34.iad
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.12--8.09pm.Seattle.2020
          .  rei07k$u0d$1@gioia.aioe.org
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.13--6.43pm.Seattle.2020
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.13--6.46pm.Seattle.2020
    MrChrisV  705rgfthmj3rmcebaqciem82lufslc1i3m@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.14--6.23am.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m157 Dropped; 1.3 Hours, F_Agent, HighWinds➤Fastusenet.ORG,  Jul 14 {  4:18am, 2020 }:32^(-5)  YȶჯW
      21 $ / MONTH.

MrChrisV asked me:
> How many cigs do you smoke, in a day, Relf ?
> It's an expensive habit, too !

About 42 rollies per day; the tobacco 
weighs less than what you'd find
in a pack of cigarettes, maybe 15 grams.

It's about 69 cents per day,
including the Bic lighters.

I roll my own using pipe tobacco;
pipe tobacco has a much lower tax.

Rolling is actually more fun than smoking.

It's 21 $ / MONTH; to wit:

  50 Bic Lighters, 49 $, every 4 years.
  1.02 $ / MONTH. 

  54 thousand rolling papers
  ( 9x 20x 300 leaves ) every 3.5 years.
  350 $ / 3.5 YEARS, 8.33 $ / MONTH.

  30 pounds of tobacco ( 6x 5 lbs )
  every 2.5 years.
  350 $ / 2.5 YEARS, 11.67 $ / MONTH.
■
Black Lives Matter is a new-age religion;
sadly, it's quite violent -- lots of killing.

Blue Lives Matter too.
■
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.10--2.09am.Seattle.2020
          .  uQMOG.85927$Av7.4859@fx34.iad
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.12--8.09pm.Seattle.2020
      Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  rei07k$u0d$1@gioia.aioe.org
    .  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.13--6.43pm.Seattle.2020
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.13--6.46pm.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m201 Mad; 1.2 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Aioe.ORG,  Jul 13 {  8:56am, 2020 }:36^(-5)  Yȶʟʜ
      Non-Smokers are doing worse than me.

Sergio wrote:
> when I quit [smoking] I could taste foods again,

My late father, a non-smoker, had this problem.

I, on the other hand, have no problem 
tasting/smelling all kinds of delicious food.

I'm eating better now than I ever have.

> I could breath better, 

I've never had a breathing problem.

> felt much healthier,

I feel fantastic.

My - only - problem is that I can't 
do much physical work before 
I need to lie down again.

Going to the store, and buying 20 pounds of groceries,
and lugging it up the hill, can be over-taxing,
if I'm not relaxed and well-rested.

> father-in-law got cancer of the throat,

My landlord, a non-smoker, got horrific throat cancer;
he can't eat solid foods anymore.

Occasionally, in the past,
my throat got irritated after I turned off my monitor,
and tried to sleep -- but it's easily remedied.

Drinking lots of water and eating saltine crackers
prevents it and, if it happens, hard candy makes me
feel good again, so I quickly fall asleep.

> just quit.

I doubt smoking is causing my symptoms, besides:

    You can live to be a hundred if you give up 
    all the things that make you want to live 
    to be a hundred.  -- Woody Allen
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      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.10--2.09am.Seattle.2020
    DFS  uQMOG.85927$Av7.4859@fx34.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.12--8.09pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m57 Top; 1.4 Minutes, DFS_Access/python_hack, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Jul 12 {  4:15pm, 2020 }:31^(-4)  Yȵხμ
      Old Age.

DFS mentioned:
> ClearChoice.COM  [ dentures ]

Are you a customer ? How much is it ?

DFS replied ( to me ):
> > I'm like an iPhone that can't keep a charge.
> > Just going to the store wipes me out.
> > What's the medical term for this ?
> 
> it's brought on by heart failure, COPD, 
> and probably diabetes, due to self-defeating 
> behavior of smoking and overeating and 
> lack of exercise.  You know this, right ? 

Besides "old age", I don't know the cause.
It could be a tooth infection, obesity,
a lack of exercise, and/or something else.

I don't have breathing problems.

I don't have the circulatory problems
that diabetics have -- my toes are pink 
and sensitive, not rotting off.

My favorite exercise, walking, 
is no longer fun; when not exercising, 
I feel fine.

> I'm a little younger than you. Friday, 
> I drove 2 hours in the am, then worked 
> 8 solid hours in the Ga heat, 
> 
> moving heavy furniture and clearing 
> junk from a house.  
> On my feet, basically,lunar the entire time.  
> 
> Then drove 2 hours back.  I was beat, 
> but the next day I was at it again, 
> working the never-ending to-do list 
> of stuff around the house and yard.
> 
> I know a man 15 years my senior who 
> can keep up with me.  It's incredible.

I've always admired people who could do that;
sadly, I'm not one of them.

> Drop those cigs immediately 
> and get your health back.

I'm not so sure that that's the solution.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.10--3.29am.Seattle.2020
            Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  hmquf7Fh1ndU2@mid.individual.net
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.10--4.34am.Seattle.2020
        Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  rea0s6$58b$1@gioia.aioe.org
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.10--10.12am.Seattle.2020
    Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  reaiat$gi3$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.10--2.18pm.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 5  m194 Mad; 28.8 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Aioe.ORG,  Jul 10 {  1:16pm, 2020 }:30^(-5)  YȴγМ
      Balsa wood dentures.

Sergio replied ( to me ):
> > How much is "1/20" in US dollars ?
> 
> crown about 2000, costs about 300 or less

I signed up for MedicAid.

Once my card comes in the mail, 
I'll setup a dental appointment.

Washington state might give me free dentures.
We'll see.

Hopefully, it won't be made of balsa wood.
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              Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  hmquf7Fh1ndU2@mid.individual.net
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.10--4.34am.Seattle.2020
          Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greg_hall  5a2hgf9m1rlred2uu1regh6reccktklkpg@4ax.com
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.10--8.53am.Seattle.2020
      Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greg_hall  8q7hgf1ua1om8uf6470iosetnmnllrcdh6@4ax.com
    MrChrisV  9s9hgf5h5cjttslm1nslbd8q5rfud90fbe@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.10--10.57am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m17 Dropped; 11.1 Minutes, F_Agent, HighWinds➤Fastusenet.ORG,  Jul 10 { 10:40am, 2020 }:21^(-5)  YȴΑГ
      How cheap, 80 grand ?

MrChrisV suggested:
> There should be a GoFundMe, for poor, 
> kooky Relf's teeth.

Thanks for the kind notion, 
but I doubt it'd come to that.

I'm trying to price it now,
looking for a place that'll do it.

I'm wondering if the discount would be
based on my income or my savings too.

Also, I'm wondering if it's even a good idea.
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        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.10--2.09am.Seattle.2020
      Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  h13hgf9d2c3528a1tp3tlfk5rdinhc8go0@4ax.com
    Checkmate│More_Bull_Schiff  da6t4m.bsk.17.39@news.alt.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.10--10.48am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m98 Cool; 26.5 Minutes, MicroPlanet, Alt.NET,  Jul 10 { 10:13am, 2020 }:17^(-7)  YȴʬɅ
      I'm like an iPhone that can't keep a charge.

Checkmate replied:
> > > I'm like an iPhone that can't keep a charge.
> > > Just going to the store wipes me out.
> > > What's the medical term for this ?
> > 
> > COVID-19.
> 
> Could be anemia.

Maybe, but I feel great even while working,
I just can't do it for long,
I have to lie down for awhile, then resume.

The heavier the physical work,
the sooner I have to lie down again.

Light work I can do for a couple hours.

Carrying 20+ lbs of groceries up a hill
it is sometimes hard for me,
depending on how well-rested/hydrated I am.
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            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.10--2.09am.Seattle.2020
          Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  hmqt4uFgokuU1@mid.individual.net
        Odd_Bodkin│bodkinodd@gmail_com  re9qma$10m2$1@gioia.aioe.org
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.10--8.46am.Seattle.2020
    Odd_Bodkin│bodkinodd@gmail_com  rea5mc$hg0$2@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.10--10.34am.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m57 Dropped; 27.3 Minutes, NewsTap➤iPad, Aioe.ORG,  Jul 10 {  9:40am, 2020 }:44  YȴʦЪ
      Maybe I'm just out of shape.

Bodkin replied ( to me ):
> > The vast majority of my day I'm lying down;
> > maybe I'm just out of shape.
> 
> Maybe if you modified your setup to a standing desk
> rather than a reclining one. 

Maybe, but that'd add a lot of misery to my life,
net net.

Computing in bed, as I do, feels wonderful.

A few years ago, I enjoyed exercising, walking;
not so anymore.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.10--3.29am.Seattle.2020
            Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  hmquf7Fh1ndU2@mid.individual.net
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.10--4.34am.Seattle.2020
        Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greg_hall  5a2hgf9m1rlred2uu1regh6reccktklkpg@4ax.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.10--8.53am.Seattle.2020
    Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  rea403$1md2$3@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.10--10.28am.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 2  m190 Mad; 56.3 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Aioe.ORG,  Jul 10 {  9:11am, 2020 }:48^(-5)  Yȴʡც
      How cheap, 80 grand ?

> > How cheap [ are dentures ], 80 grand ?
> 
> if over 65 you have much cheaper options

I'm 4.5 years away from 65.

It varies by state, I assume.
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              Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  hmqt4uFgokuU1@mid.individual.net
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.10--3.29am.Seattle.2020
          Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  hmquf7Fh1ndU2@mid.individual.net
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.10--4.34am.Seattle.2020
      Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  rea0s6$58b$1@gioia.aioe.org
    Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  rea1hf$ami$4@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.10--10.21am.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 4  m190 Mad; 1.6 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Aioe.ORG,  Jul 10 {  8:29am, 2020 }:51^(-5)  Yȴʚჭ
      I never feel short of breath.

Sergio told me:
> switch over to chewing tobacco, 
> you get the nicoteen and let your lungs heal.

I never feel short of breath -- never.

My heart might be inflamed due to a tooth infection;
but I'm not sure.

When resting, my blood pressure is fine.

Again, it's like I'm running at a 2 % battery level.

I feel fine, I just can't do much - physical - work
before needing to lie down again.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.10--2.09am.Seattle.2020
            Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  hmqt4uFgokuU1@mid.individual.net
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.10--3.29am.Seattle.2020
        Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  hmquf7Fh1ndU2@mid.individual.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.10--4.34am.Seattle.2020
    Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  rea0s6$58b$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.10--10.12am.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 5  m190 Mad; 1.8 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Aioe.ORG,  Jul 10 {  8:18am, 2020 }:30^(-5)  YȴʙU
      How much is "1/20" in US dollars ?

Sergio replied ( to me ):
> > I should look into what kind of dental programs 
> > the state as for low income people; with luck, 
> > I won't have to fully deplete my savings.
> 
> They are out there, look around, 
> it will cost 1/20 or less, sliding scale.

How much is "1/20" in US dollars ?

Is the cost based on income, savings, or both ?

My local clinic isn't taking new patients.

I'm trying other places, no luck so far.
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          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.10--2.09am.Seattle.2020
        Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  hmqt4uFgokuU1@mid.individual.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.10--3.29am.Seattle.2020
    Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greg_hall  im2hgf1iafh9jvu9m46inh2hvaekcn1alb@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.10--9.18am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 3  m51 Cool; 10.9 Minutes, F_Agent, Alt.NET,  Jul 10 {  8:38am, 2020 }:41^(-4)  Yȴʜʡ
      Water and saltine crackers work great.

Hømer replied ( to me ):
> Fatigue like that, along with some
> difficulty getting a good deep breath,
> is among the most common of COVID-19 symptoms.

Unless my throat gets dry+sticky from sleeping
10 hours without consuming enough water+salt
I never feel like I can't breathe.

And, when that (rarely) happens, 
extending the length of my throat, 
by cocking my chin up, 
is an immediate fix.

After which, I consume water+salt.

Water and saltine crackers work great.

Also, I have a lot of sandwich crackers.

They are cheaper today than they were 30 years ago,
-- both in US dollar terms, and gold terms --
delivered right to my door, a few hours after I order.

Meanwhile, rent, gold, real estate, stock/bonds,
and medical/dental costs have quintupled in price.

> bad teeth not only ruin the quality of your life
> but they can shorten it considerably.

Maybe, it's hard to know for sure.

Throughout history, 
medical science has been more wrong than right.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.10--2.09am.Seattle.2020
            Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  hmqt4uFgokuU1@mid.individual.net
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.10--3.29am.Seattle.2020
        Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  hmquf7Fh1ndU2@mid.individual.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.10--4.34am.Seattle.2020
    Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greg_hall  5a2hgf9m1rlred2uu1regh6reccktklkpg@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.10--8.53am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 4  m51 Cool; 15 Minutes, F_Agent, Alt.NET,  Jul 10 {  8:34am, 2020 }:34^(-4)  YȴʛР
      How cheap, 80 grand ?

Hømer suggested:
> If your teeth are really, really bad, the cheapest
> option would be to have them all yanked out and
> get a good set of well made and fitted dentures. 

How cheap, 80 grand ?
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        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.10--2.09am.Seattle.2020
      Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  hmqt4uFgokuU1@mid.individual.net
    Odd_Bodkin│bodkinodd@gmail_com  re9qma$10m2$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.10--8.46am.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m56 Dropped; 1.6 Hours, NewsTap➤iPad, Aioe.ORG,  Jul 10 {  6:32am, 2020 }:59  YȴʇΔ
      Maybe I'm just out of shape.

Bodkin replied ( to Sylvia ):
> > > I'm like an iPhone that can't keep a charge.
> > > Just going to the store wipes me out.
> > > What's the medical term for this ?
> > 
> > Chronic fatigue syndrome, perhaps.
> 
> Maybe if [Jeff] used a standup desk rather than
> one that lets him work from a reclining position. 

The vast majority of my day I'm lying down;
maybe I'm just out of shape.

I don't have to commute to work;
some of my food/shopping is delivered to me.

Mental tasks, such as programming,
never tire me; I never lose it, mentally.
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      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.10--2.09am.Seattle.2020
    SamWormley  425abf69-32d1-4731-8a5c-5d7c766c88b5o@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.10--8.31am.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m640 Dropped; 2.4 Hours, GoogleG,  Jul 10 {  5:49am, 2020 }: 5^(PDT)  Yȴʀȷ
      Non-Rechargeable Batteries, Human-Version ?

Sam replied ( to me ):
> > I'm like an iPhone that can't keep a charge.
> > Just going to the store wipes me out.
> > What's the medical term for this ?
> 
> Could be high blood pressure, 

My friend has a blood pressure meter;
it's normal, as always.

> sleep apnea, 

I sleep like a baby for 10+ hours straight.

Occasionally, my throat gets so dry-n-sticky
( from not consuming enough water/salt )
that I can't breathe unless I:

-- Cock my chin up, stretching out my throat.
-- Suck on hard candy.  and/or:
-- Consume water/salt.

> side effects of drugs.

I don't consume any drugs;
neither prescription nor otherwise.

> I'm not a doctor, but I played one in a play.

If I can find the name of my condition
( Non-Rechargeable Batteries, Human-Version ? )
I'll move this thread to a medical forum.
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          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.10--2.09am.Seattle.2020
        Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  hmqt4uFgokuU1@mid.individual.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.10--3.29am.Seattle.2020
    Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  hmquf7Fh1ndU2@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.10--4.34am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m46 Top; 47.6 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Individual.NET,  Jul 10 {  3:33am, 2020 }:13^(10)  YȴɩΣ
      I'm a smoker.

Sylvia replied ( to me ):
> > I could easily spend every dime I have
> > trying to fix my teeth, it's so expensive.
> 
> Cavities?
> 
> Grinding? A splint can help with that. 
> Beware of unnecessary root-canal treatments 
> ( i.e. those where there's nothing demonstrably
>  wrong with the root ).

I'm a smoker.

When I turn off the computer, 
and lay down to fall asleep,
I notice some throat irritation.

Sucking on hard candy takes care of it;
my throat feels good again,
and I quickly fall asleep.

Problem is, all that sugar eventually causes
tooth pain -- not always, but often enough.

I should look into what kind of dental programs 
the state as for low income people; with luck, 
I won't have to fully deplete my savings.
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      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.10--2.09am.Seattle.2020
    Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  hmqt4uFgokuU1@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.10--3.29am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m1 Top; 6.3 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Individual.NET,  Jul 10 {  3:10am, 2020 }:40^(10)  YȴɥЦ
      My teeth.

Sylvia replied ( to me ):
> > I'm like an iPhone that can't keep a charge.
> > Just going to the store wipes me out.
> > What's the medical term for this ?
> 
> Chronic fatigue syndrome, perhaps.

I feel great, not fatigued.

I just can't do much physical work 
without needing to lie down again.

It's probably related to my tooth pain;
I could easily spend every dime I have
trying to fix my teeth, it's so expensive.
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.10--2.09am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
      I'm like an iPhone that can't keep a charge.

I'm like an iPhone that can't keep a charge.

Just going to the store wipes me out.

What's the medical term for this ?
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        Sadovnik_Socratus│44socrat  e1d2a5e3-627d-459c-b0dc-ee70d67035c7o@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.8--0.14am.Seattle.2020
    charly│info_ronse@skynet_be  re6h63$eka$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.9--2.13am.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m2 Shifty; 49.9 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤X11, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jul  9 {   :32am, 2020 }:17^(2)  YzΥʉ
      Purveyors of panic porn.

Charly noted:
> to my comfort, it was stated there might be 
> just as many interpretations [ of QM ] 
> as there are physicists around the world.

Every theory is wrong; 
but some are useful to some people, sometimes.

And if you're a pop-scientist, like Brian Greene,
multi-world bullshit is useful/profitable.

Quarantining everyone is bullshit, bad "science", 
but it's - useful - to the purveyors of panic porn;
it helps them rake in extra insurance premiums. 
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              SamWormley  5c04e457-65be-482b-bf69-607ff04afd59o@googlegroups.com
            Ernie_van_de_Knickerbocker│  re48vh$lvn$6@gioia.aioe.org
          Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  re4jff$17jo$1@gioia.aioe.org
        Ernie_van_de_Knickerbocker│  re4p30$150s$1@gioia.aioe.org
      Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  re4ub0$sh2$1@gioia.aioe.org
    Ernie_van_de_Knickerbocker│  re50bq$1ma5$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.8--11.15am.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m5 Shifty; 28.1 Minutes, PiaoHong/1_64, Aioe.ORG,  Jul  8 { 10:39am, 2020 }: 7  YzuΜ
      Fear porn.

Ernie asked Sergio:
> were are your economist credentials compared to Chomsky

This is USENET; here, everyone is a complete moron,
including myself.

Chomsky is a filthy hippie who has gone from 
being scared of nukes to fearing the climate.

Fear porn.
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    Sadovnik_Socratus│44socrat  e1d2a5e3-627d-459c-b0dc-ee70d67035c7o@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.8--0.14am.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics
    +-, 2 Weeks, GoogleG, 85.65.17.191,  Jun 24 {  2:36am, 2020 }:46^(PDT)  Ypρk
      We only have statistics, probability waves.

Sadovnik asked:
> An electron in an atom has two kinds of movement: 
> orbital and spinning (h).  
> How can these two kind of motion interact? 

We only have statistics, probability waves,
not cause and effect.
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      SamWormley  4752ae97-bc8b-43ee-b5c2-261b87b95b25o@googlegroups.com
    Sadovnik_Socratus│44socrat  597553ed-2259-403b-ac16-253a7a9aae03o@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.8--0.07am.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics
    +-, 2 Weeks, GoogleG, 85.65.17.191,  Jun 24 {  7:12am, 2020 }:34^(PDT)  YpДY
      Randomness is ignorance.

Sadovnik replied ( to Sam ):
> [ Quantum Mechanics hides ignorance ]
> 
> > " nobody understands quantum mechanics "
> >   --- Richard P. Feyn­man (1965)

Randomness is ignorance -- nothing more, nothing less.

The future is just as fixed as the past;
but it's semi-unknown/unknowable.
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      MitchellRaemsch  1c3f3426-9416-4b6f-a062-3e6f0210ee6eo@googlegroups.com
    Sadovnik_Socratus│44socrat  3e06b3b8-622b-4d8e-9509-8c54f4c92644o@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.7--11.55pm.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics
    +-, 1.1 Weeks, GoogleG, 85.65.17.191,  Jun 30 {  9:22am, 2020 }: 4^(PDT)  YtЩϲ
      Gravity is residual exergy.

Sadovnik wrote:
> Can ''Pure gravity''  be a Quantum gravity ?

Our Universe is going 
from infinitely  hot/dense
to infinitely  cold/sparse.

Gravity is residual exergy.

Exergy is energy available for "work"
( force times distance ).
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      SamWormley  cf811111-375c-4e93-80ec-7eb73f363e4ao@googlegroups.com
    Sadovnik_Socratus│44socrat  07e060dd-fd43-4cee-b0dc-7590d6e26060o@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.7--11.46pm.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics
    +-, 4.8 Days, GoogleG, 85.65.17.191,  Jul  3 {  5: 3am, 2020 }:49^(PDT)  YvϠϕ
      Black holes are very hot and bright.

Sadovnik wrote:
> Every BLACK HOLE (small or giant) has temperature T=0K
> and that is ''very cold space'' between billions galaxies

Black holes are very hot and bright.

Today's black holes are nothing like they used to be.
12.5 billion years ago, quasar J2157-3602 had
the luminosity of 695 trillion suns ( 2.66×10^41 Watts ).

Our Universe is going 
from infinitely  hot/dense
to infinitely  cold/sparse.

Lambda-CDM has already changed, I think.
Dark energy gets stronger as the universe ages.

Lambda is not a constant;
it's accruing, accelerating.

Elsewhere, Sadovnik wrote:
> all galaxies have one absolute, infinite reference frame
> - zero vacuum T=0K 

The Known Universe has negative pressure.
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              Arindam_Banerjee│  50ac1d10-22ef-46d4-a859-87d4d8d5a85bo@googlegroups.com
            Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  hmkjl8F6sdvU2@mid.individual.net
          Arindam_Banerjee│  e43dc7d9-e3e0-41f2-868b-6430896b56e7o@googlegroups.com
        Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  hmkm4tF7dj3U1@mid.individual.net
      Arindam_Banerjee│  334271df-c279-455c-9229-0940904d963co@googlegroups.com
    Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  hmkrtlF8gkfU1@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.7--9.11pm.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m39 Top; 42.7 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Individual.NET,  Jul  7 {  8:12pm, 2020 }:54^(10)  YyОs
      "mass" means "rest mass".

Sylvia told Arindam:
> Photons have mass.

Conventionally, scientists say "mass" means "rest mass",
not "relativistic mass", nor "energy equivalent".

Arindam hates quantum mechanics and particle physicists;
"ripping on them" makes him feel superior.

Every theory is wrong; 
some are useful to some people, sometimes.
■
I – love – the weather here, in Seattle.
.
These hippies are thieving junkies,
professional victims, and spoiled brats.
.
They don't grow up because they don't have to.
Without punishments and rewards, nothing happens.
.
Still, continually mocking them is 
a small price to pay for my beloved city.
"Grow up", I tell them.
■
Here, Seattle, Asians earn more than whites.
.
It's culture, including literacy, not "systemic racism",
that determines one's place in society.
.
Today's hippies are too high to make sense;
prohibition is bad -- promoting drugs is worse.
.
The mayor is too lazy to rein-in her spoiled brats;
without punishments and rewards, nothing happens.
■
      Sadovnik_Socratus│44socrat  5af1b092-f063-400b-bb14-30e79863cc0co@googlegroups.com
    Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  hmb021F5ubcU1@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.4--4.11am.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m28 Top; 1.1 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Individual.NET,  Jul  4 {  2:22am, 2020 }:10^(10)  Ywɝϸ
      Today's black holes are nothing like they used to be.

Sylvia Else replied ( to Sadovnik ):
> > What New Evidence Could Revolutionize All Of Known Physics ?
> 
> Nothing. Known physics works too well for that to come about.
> At most, we'll see improvements, including, 
> it is to be hoped, a theory of everything.
■
        ScottDoty  hm9mdkFrtk1U3@mid.individual.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.3--6.02pm.Seattle.2020
    ScottDoty  hma43cFu2urU4@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.3--6.51pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns, Talk.Politics.Misc
    ╳ 1  m104 Cool; 14.7 Minutes, Pan, Individual.NET,  Jul  3 {  6:25pm, 2020 }: 1  YwEz
      Have a trippy hippie day, freak.

Scott Doty asked me:
> Do you use your newsreader to select 
> snippets of stored boilerplate to 
> construct your posts ?

I'm talking to myself,
establishing my opinions.

If you want to join in, Scott,
you're welcome to.

You won't, of course;
no one ever does.

Have a trippy hippie day, freak.
■
              Arindam_Banerjee│  aabb7157-cdbc-4e19-991c-68c43d3555beo@googlegroups.com
            Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  hm8m04Flm11U1@mid.individual.net
          Arindam_Banerjee│  099953ed-1b83-42fe-8f98-5d3e1b53ff69o@googlegroups.com
        Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  hma05dFu6diU2@mid.individual.net
      Arindam_Banerjee│  fa0aa5ce-b483-4fcb-b657-df813f432423o@googlegroups.com
    Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  hma1rrF2baU1@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.3--6.35pm.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics
    ╳ 1  m24 Top; 35.1 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Individual.NET,  Jul  3 {  5:46pm, 2020 }:53^(10)  Yw7г
      Arindam's "LSD".

Sylvia Else told Arindam Banerjee:
> You're still ignoring my desire to measure 
> the speed of light relative to myself, 
> as if you know that it threatens your world-view.
> 
> so it turns out that your definition of 
> "incontrovertible" is merely what you agree to.
> I think that brings this discussion to an end.

What made you think you could converse with him ?

Every theory is wrong; 
some are useful to some people, sometimes.

Arindam is probably a trippy hippie
trying to sell his "LSD" here.
■
    ScottDoty  hm9mdkFrtk1U3@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.3--6.02pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns, Talk.Politics.Misc
    ╱ 1  m102 Cool; 3.2 Hours, Pan, Individual.NET,  Jul  3 {  2:31pm, 2020 }:32  Yvოɜ
      Hippies.

The Declaration of Independence mentions:
> the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God

"God" is nature -- nothing more, nothing less.

> [the] King of Great Britain is...

....history.

First we export the parts of capitalism we don't like
( pollution, fascism, racism ) to China, then we 
complain about how poorly they treat their citizens.

If we block "evil" China, stopping trade,
we'll have to do the evil ourselves, personally.

Hippies fail to understand:

  Without punishments and rewards, nothing happens.

Prohibition is wrong, but so is - promoting -
the "drug abuse" that is negative interest rates.

If Ted Kaczynski and Michael Moore got their way 
( so the world's GDP dropped each year );
humanity would just live longer/sadder.

Woody Allen wrote:

    You can live to be a hundred if you give up 
    all the things that make you want to live 
    to be a hundred.

With or without humanity,
entropy will eventually kill the Earth,
the solar system, and The Universe.
■
        felix@palmen-it_de(Felix_  jmlmsg-so12.ln1@mail.home.palmen-it.de
      FabianRussell  rdan7f0lpt@news4.newsguy.com
    felix@palmen-it_de(Felix_  do7nsg-np52.ln1@mail.home.palmen-it.de
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.28--2.01pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╳ 1  m3 Shifty; 38.6 Minutes, tin➤FreeBSD, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jun 28 {   :32pm, 2020 }:23^(2)  YsΥʏ
      Apple happily changes its "standards" whenever.

Felix replied ( to Fabian ):
> > I don't do any network programming, 
> > but I believe that select() and poll() are 
> > both superseded on Linux by epoll(), 
> > which does not have the issue.
> 
> If your notion of "superseded" is 
> " replaced by a proprietary, 
>  non-standardized solution ", then, yes.

Apple happily changes its "standards" whenever. 
UnSupported products:

  https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201624

Reality is the only "standard" that matters;
and it varies (semi)randomly as time goes by.

P.S. How did Fabian know about epoll() ?!
P.P.S. How did Branimir not know ?
■
      .  1iqefftl5ahoi8jgtdpiqf6g2su29as35e@4ax.com
    ScottDoty  hlpao8F8gupU21@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.27--6.27pm.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate, Alt.Sixtyplus, Alt.Fan.Rush-Limbaugh
    ╱ 1  m1 Shifty; 8.3 Hours, Pan, Individual.NET,  Jun 27 {  9:34am, 2020 }:16  YrЫϾ
      More drugs, less Trump.

"Black lives matter" is a red herring designed
to cover-up the ugliness of their true objective:

    More drugs, less Trump.

Police save lives, including black lives.
Without punishments-n-rewards, nothing happens.

The Climate Apocalypse is another red herring
to cover-up the ugliness of their true objective:

    More drugs, less Trump.

If Ted Kaczynski and Michael Moore got their way 
( so the world's GDP dropped each year );
humanity would just live longer/sadder.

Woody Allen wrote:
> You can live to be a hundred if you give up 
> all the things that make you want to live 
> to be a hundred.

With or without humanity,
entropy will eventually kill the Earth,
the solar system, and The Universe.
■
              .  rclnla$d78$2@apd.eternal-september.org
            .  hl77quF8jrhU1@mid.individual.net
          .  XnsABE551515931DHT1@hXpr5O9.JcMck3Gp5b55rFy.74
        .  rcssrg$1ui7$1@gioia.aioe.org
      Diesel│nobody@haph_org  XnsABE6D32B4B70HT1@6JySW46m3.Y6jy9181jChOkrX.nsi34Z5
    FromTheRafters│erratic@nomail_  rd3e4g$hc9$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.27--5.49pm.Seattle.2020
  Alt.Computer.Workshop, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, News.Software.Readers
    ╱ 1  m2 Cool; 2 Days, MesNews, POSTED.GSY➤Aioe.ORG,  Jun 25 {  5: 5pm, 2020 }:37^(-4)  YqϠჟ
      "OpenNews" is cost free.

> AIOE has been really flakey lately, it's like 
> old school NNTP with long time between sending out posts.

Unless you enjoy -Random- lags ( when will your post show up ? ),
Do NOT use a binary server to read Usenet.
For that, use INN servers; to wit:
  
  News5.Open-News-Network.ORG:119
  News2.Open-News-Network.ORG:119
  News6.Open-News-Network.ORG:119
          News.Individual.NET:119
  
  "OpenNews" is cost free; warning: these servers are SLOW.
  Register at:  Open-News-Network.ORG/register
                Must translate from German; if Captcha fails, F5 refresh.

  "Individual.NET" is 10 Euros per year;
  warning: its archive is heavily censored.

Do NOT post using Individual.NET, it'll censor you;
instead, use a binary server; to wit:
  
  News.US.Usenet-News.NET:119  or  usNews.BlockNews.NET:119 
  
  They won't censor you; they don't even keep the "Path:" line,
  so you can't be identified.  Their archive is over 18 years deep.
  $5 buys you 11 gigs, enough for several life times.
  If one is down ( -very- unlikely ), use the other one.
■
<code>
Seattle is perverse; 
it rewards evil ( e.g. random violence ) and
punishes righteousness ( e.g. Amazon ).

Still, it's (mostly) survivable,
and I enjoy laughing at the clowns 
who run this dump.
</code>
■
Charles Hugh Smith wrote:
> the Deep State is not going to allow 
> Jay Powell to re-elect Donald Trump 
> with a stock market rally. From the 
> point of view of the inner circle of 
> the Deep State, the market collapse in 
> March was simply a test to confirm 
> what happens when the free-money smack 
> is withdrawn. The test was a success 
> and now the real crash can begin. Only 
> this time it won't last three weeks.   
https://www.oftwominds.com/blogjune20/Fed-junkies6-20.html
■
<code>
Everywhere, kids are dropping out,
losing hope, and turning to:
drugs, looting, and vandalism.

Central Banks are raising asset prices;
kids can't "get in on the ground floor"
of this government–run Ponzi scheme.
</code>
■
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.21--0.52pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
      The biggest scofflaw/criminal I've ever seen.

Seattle's mayor is the biggest scofflaw/criminal
I've ever seen; it needs a law-and-order mayor,
but none are on offer.

The no-go zone is strewn with used needles,
bizarro tweakers, thieving junkies, and 
professional victims in a concert-like atmosphere.

Our nation needs a fiscal conservative;
but none are on offer.

Around the world, central banks 
are making housing unaffordable,
destroying kids futures, pushing them into drugs.

Kids can't "get in on the ground floor"
of this government-run Ponzi scheme.
■
MarMar replied ( to me ):
> > When kids have no future, they drug riot.
> 
> There’s no indication that protests and 
> riots of late are “drug riots”, though.

If you think there are no drugs present there,
amongst the large crowd, you're simply naïve;
it's a concert-like atmosphere.

In Seattle's no-go zone today,
two were shot, a teenager died.
■
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.19--4.52pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
      Drug riots.

In 1971, after "drug riots" in Seattle,
it was "lights out"; the city nearly shutdown.

Our "Woodstock", 1969, at Alki Beach,
was a drug riot.

When kids have no future, they drug riot.

If you check the history of "drug riots",
and compare them to the stock market,
you'll see that it's a leading indicator.
■

              .  f2b250f1-d0d6-4dcd-9ad2-bc286c360c2co@googlegroups.com
            .  5a0neft5b8fg348hn8he0ulfllpdt51h7u@4ax.com
          .  a065cf1a-da0a-4879-bd93-19996a4574abo@googlegroups.com
        .  s91HG.30391$pC.13266@fx19.iad
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.19--0.00pm.Seattle.2020
    MrChrisV  ko3qeflr2bch42gstf08p29qod8c6fg9o8@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.19--0.53pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m11 Dropped; 8.5 Minutes, F_Agent, HighWinds➤Fastusenet.ORG,  Jun 19 {   :20pm, 2020 }:26^(-5)  YmΣʒ
      The rush to "safe" assets.

ChrisV replied ( to me ):
> > A 1½ bath single-family home near where I live,
> > my former residence, sells for 1.2 million $.
> > Parking is impossible, you can't have a car.
> 
> What would the property tax be on that, 
> today, do you suppose ?

11,436 $, .953%, nearly a thousand $ per month.
https://smartasset.com/taxes/washington-property-tax-calculator

Everyone is a renter, a tenant;
no one owns "their" home.

> > Central banks are printing so much money,
> > houses are unaffordable to all but those who 
> > managed to " get in on the ground floor "
> > of this (universal) Ponzi scheme.
> 
> Take the advice of Warren Buffet.
> Buy after a "correction".

Buffett is sitting on 137 billion $ in cash;
not gold, not stocks, cash.

Due to central-bank printing, semi-deflation (oil),
and the rush to "safe" assets, 
real estate, stocks and gold are overvalued.
■
              TheRealSteve  3cfcd4de-3432-4517-8e50-2ece4fe063d3o@googlegroups.com
            MrChrisV  e7vmeflffcvbsg8qqkropu10t86ol2qcnl@4ax.com
          TheRealSteve  f2b250f1-d0d6-4dcd-9ad2-bc286c360c2co@googlegroups.com
        MrChrisV  5a0neft5b8fg348hn8he0ulfllpdt51h7u@4ax.com
      TheRealSteve  a065cf1a-da0a-4879-bd93-19996a4574abo@googlegroups.com
    Topanga│emailsroutdated@nomail_  s91HG.30391$pC.13266@fx19.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.19--0.00pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 6  m209 Top; 7.3 Hours, 40tude⁻big5, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Jun 19 {  4:17am, 2020 }:43^(-4)  Ymɰქ
      When kids have no future, they riot.

Mistress Topanga wrote:
> My property taxes are approaching $22,000 per year.
> That is for a single family house with about 1 acre of land.

How many bathrooms ?

Privacy is absurdly expensive, unaffordable.

A 1½ bath single-family home near where I live,
my former residence, sells for 1.2 million $.
Parking is impossible, you can't have a car.

Prices are soaring, with no end in sight.
" To infinity and beyond ", as Buzz LightYear puts it.

> Now that the economy is in the tank, 
> due to no fault of Trump's, obviously,

Central banks are printing so much money,
houses are unaffordable to all but those who 
managed to " get in on the ground floor "
of this (universal) Ponzi scheme.

When kids have no future, they riot.
■
              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.18--0.03am.Seattle.2020
            .  rcf4rj$7gh$3@gioia.aioe.org
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.18--0.45am.Seattle.2020
        TheRealSteve  0b748063-3e88-491f-8186-552d38d3106ao@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.18--9.25am.Seattle.2020
    TheRealSteve  b87c9a79-e3d2-4532-9b1b-22d542f5d910o@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.19--11.24am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 5  m208 Mad; 4.1 Hours, GoogleG,  Jun 19 {  7: 7am, 2020 }:32^(PDT)  Ymʍɜ
      Mars ?

Steve replied ( to me ):
> > What does she think her kids 
> > will do when they turn 18 ?!
> > 
> > Will they buy a 2 million $ hovel,
> > covered in graffiti and used needles,
> > and live happily ever after ?
> 
> Being that she's 'walked away' maybe she'll
> move them away before that can happen.

Where, Mars ?

Central banks are printing so much money,
houses are unaffordable to all but those who 
managed to " get in on the ground floor "
of this (universal) Ponzi scheme.

When kids have no future, they riot.
■
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.18--0.03am.Seattle.2020
        MsNadegda  rcgc8v$gu6$1@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.18--0.00pm.Seattle.2020
    Kensi  rch771$i43$2@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.18--9.24pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m6 Dropped; 1.8 Hours, NewsTap➤iPad, Aioe.ORG,  Jun 18 {  7:17pm, 2020 }: 2^(-4)  YmMм
      Hard times ahead.

Mistress Kensi replied ( to me ):
> > > > It's a pyramid scheme;
> > > > - only - early investors win.
> > >
> > > So, you've *finally* figured it out.
> > > Welcome, Comrade!
> >  
> > Technically, pyramid schemes are illegal;
> > it's and ignorance tax, not capitalism.
> 
> Why am I being namedropped here by this k0Ok?

What k0Ok ? are you looking in the mirror ?

It was a sloppy speech-to-text error;
I meant to say:
> > Technically, pyramid schemes are illegal;
> > it's an ignorance tax, not capitalism.
            ---
> There's a way out, if only you'd let Nadegda 
> and me show you the way.

I'm doing quite well, thank you.
I never fell for the pyramid scheme, trust me;
likewise, many of today's youth won't either.

> > Communism is random.
> 
> What makes you say that ?

It lacks punishments, rewards, and 
basic democracy -- so nothing gets done.

Instead, you get a dictator, like Kim JongUn,
keeping you in the dark -- quite literally.

> > North Koreans have yet to discover the lightbulb.
> 
> More likely, they're a militaristic society cowering 
> in fear of air-strikes. A never-ending Blitz blackout.

If, by that, you mean that they're nuts,
then I'd have to agree with you.

> > > > Riots precede - every - stock market crash.
> > >
> > > The worst is yet to come.
> > > Watch for the other shoe to drop around August.
> > 
> > It's going to be a doozy.
> 
> If anyplace can weather that storm it's Finland. We'll drop the euro 
> like a hot potato and bring back the markka if need be. We are used to a 
> fair degree of self-sufficiency in challenging terrain and climate. So 
> we might not be able to buy the next generation of smartphone ... so 
> what? That is not a thousandth of the hardship some places will face.

Hard times ahead.
■
Wolf wrote:
> Six states still have not processed any 
> claims by gig workers under the PUA program

I personally know five people who are 
not getting their benefits, myself included.

> many laid-off workers were still 
> not able to file their UI claim.

A green card holder I know can't get through
on the phone and he has Zero technical skills,
nada.

He doesn't care, really,
because he's an immigrant and
he doesn't want a hand out.

I told him: 
> It's your money, you should go for it.

But he can't.

Also, the state of Washington 
is tied up by massive fraud;

it handed out 650 million $ 
( quickly exchanged for bitcoin and such )
to West Africans ( Nigerians ) 
engaged in identity fraud.

Victims can't apply for unemployment
benefits until their fraud claims clear.

People who were receiving regular benefits before
the fraud occurred now go months without payments.

323 thousand are still awaiting payment, here;
44 thousand people are in adjudication, 
myself included.

Worse, there's a long-term, secular decline
in the labor force participation rate;
mainly kids who didn't 
" get in the on the ground floor "
of government-run Ponzi schemes.
■
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.18--0.03am.Seattle.2020
    MsNadegda  rcgc8v$gu6$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.18--0.00pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m7 Dropped; 8.3 Minutes, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jun 18 { 11:37am, 2020 }:19  Ylрɍ
      North Koreans have yet to discover the lightbulb.

Mistress Nadegda replied ( to me ):
> > It's a pyramid scheme;
> > - only - early investors win.
> 
> So, you've *finally* figured it out.
> Welcome, Comrade!

Technically, pyramid schemes are illegal;
it's an ignorance tax, not capitalism.

Capitalism is about punishments and rewards;
Communism is random.

North Koreans have yet to discover the lightbulb.

> > When kids have no future,
> > they take to the streets.
> 
> " Ages of Discord: A Structural-Demographic Analysis "

" Low Interest Rates Are Crushing Young People
  and Fueling Global Riots ":
https://news.bitcoin.com/low-interest-rates-are-crushing-young-people-and-fueling-global-riots

> > Riots precede - every - stock market crash.
> 
> The worst is yet to come. 
> Watch for the other shoe to drop around August.

It's going to be a doozy.
■
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.18--0.03am.Seattle.2020
    SamWormley  879bced0-e70a-4a38-b0d6-9e9ab9d7d915o@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.18--10.35am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m631 Dropped; 4 Secs, GoogleG,  Jun 18 { 10:33am, 2020 }:27^(PDT)  Ylеθ
      The things that make you want to live.

Sam Wormley:
> The climate crisis is denying a future for kids.

With or without humanity,
entropy will eventually kill the Earth,
the solar system, and The Universe.

Suppose Michael Moore got his way 
( so the world's GDP dropped each year );
humanity would just live longer/sadder.

Woody Allen wrote:
> You can live to be a hundred if you give up 
> all the things that make you want to live 
> to be a hundred.
■
              .  rcf4rj$7gh$3@gioia.aioe.org
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.18--0.45am.Seattle.2020
          TheRealSteve  0b748063-3e88-491f-8186-552d38d3106ao@googlegroups.com
        Topanga│emailsroutdated@nomail_  CDKGG.195$VV.1@fx17.iad
      TheRealSteve  3cfcd4de-3432-4517-8e50-2ece4fe063d3o@googlegroups.com
    MrChrisV  e7vmeflffcvbsg8qqkropu10t86ol2qcnl@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.18--10.26am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m210 Dropped; 1.1 Hours, F_Agent, HighWinds➤Fastusenet.ORG,  Jun 18 {  7:43am, 2020 }:44^(-5)  YlЙɨ
      Robbing kids of their futures.

Mr. ChrisV wrote:
> I can't think of one reason why anyone would hold
> the current economic problems against Trump.

Trump pressures the Fed to lower interest rates,
robbing kids of their futures simply because they 
weren't "in on the ground floor" of the pyramid scheme.

What do you think kids will do when they turn 18 ?!

Will they buy a 2 million $ hovel,
covered in graffiti and used needles,
and live happily ever after ?!
■
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.18--0.03am.Seattle.2020
        .  rcf4rj$7gh$3@gioia.aioe.org
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.18--0.45am.Seattle.2020
    TheRealSteve  0b748063-3e88-491f-8186-552d38d3106ao@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.18--9.25am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 4  m211 Mad; 2.3 Hours, GoogleG,  Jun 18 {  6:26am, 2020 }:59^(PDT)  YlϼΔ
      She has little kids now, and lots of hope.

Steve:
> Is this lady on the level about Seattle ?
> https://youtu.be/HRp9S3ClTCU

Yes, Seattle rewards deviant behavior
( thieving junkies, professional victims )
and punishes taxpayers
( it's impossible to evict bad actors,
  property taxes are soaring,
  and laws are not enforced ).

She has little kids now, and lots of hope.

What does she think her kids 
will do when they turn 18 ?!

Will they buy a 2 million $ hovel,
covered in graffiti and used needles,
and live happily ever after ?
■
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.18--0.03am.Seattle.2020
    Earl_Coburn│earb@ispedu_cv  rcf4rj$7gh$3@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.18--0.45am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 4  m12 Shifty; 12.6 Minutes, Nemo/0_862, Aioe.ORG,  Jun 18 {   :24am, 2020 }:35  YlΤZ
      Everywhere, kids are rioting.

Earl Coburn replied ( to me ):
> > Interest rates are too low, house prices are too high.
> > It's a pyramid scheme; - only - early investors win.
> > When kids have no future, they take to the streets.
> > Riots precede - every - stock market crash.
> 
> They don't want revolutions anymore.

No, they do.
Everywhere, kids are rioting.
 
> That's capitalism, conservatism and aristocracy.

No, it's a Ponzi scheme, not "conservatism".

Capitalism is completely different.
■
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.18--0.03am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
      When kids have no future.

Interest rates are too low,
house prices are too high.

It's a pyramid scheme;
- only - early investors win.

When kids have no future,
they take to the streets.

Riots precede - every - stock market crash.
■
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.20--1.25pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
      Everyone suffers, not just the landlord.

Seattle, 2017 laws have made rentals 
much worse for everyone.

Hopefully, 
this will drive up security deposits;
they need to be much, much higher.

Tenants are given lawyers that successfully
prolong evictions for many months.

Not paying rent isn't enough to evict;
charities step in to pay the past due rent.

Judges refuse to hear about tenants' insane 
behavior and they will not consider late fees.

Screeners are not allowed to to know 
a potential tenant's criminal history.

To kick someone out based on bad behavior,
landlords need a formal conviction.

Thousands of dollars are lost this way;
bad tenants push out better tenants.

Everyone suffers, not just the landlord.
Everyone suffers, not just the landlord.
Everyone suffers, not just the landlord.

Thieving junkies ingratiate a tenant,
making it impossible to trespass them.

No-fault eviction is a basic human right,
No-fault eviction is a basic human right,
No-fault eviction is a basic human right,
little different from no-fault divorce.

Quoting ( Seattle Attorney ) Ryan Weatherstone:
> a resident was caught on security 
> camera beating an 80-year-old woman.    
> 
> Due to the Just Cause ordinance, the 
> apartment manager could not simply 
> give him a 20-day notice to vacate.    
> 
> Under the Just Cause process, the 
> low-income housing provider in this 
> case would have had to spend upwards 
> of $20,000 to go through the lengthy 
> process.     
> 
> This would have resulted in the victim 
> enduring the man for additional 
> months, denying a low-income apartment 
> unit from a deserving resident, and 
> tying up resources that could be used 
> to support many more residents.    
https://thelens.news/2020/01/24/i-was-a-seattle-code-enforcer-just-cause-laws-put-neighbors-and-rental-homes-at-risk/
■
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.16--1.54pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
      Seattle taxes support mini-UnaBombers.

Seattle taxes support mini-UnaBombers who believe:

- Laws are racist.
- Law enforcement is fascist.
- Wealth == Pollution.

Ideally, they'd live out in nature,
gathering wild berries;
but, because that's too uncomfortable,
they live in the mayor's basement.
■
              Topanga│emailsroutdated@nomail_  h7KFG.7264$0W4.2020@fx42.iad
            FabianRussell  20f334cc-c387-429d-915d-9b9bb7cfa96bo@googlegroups.com
          DFS  6GKFG.3788$Ml5.3519@fx24.iad
        Topanga│emailsroutdated@nomail_  h_KFG.9086$zX4.3255@fx41.iad
      FabianRussell  2ed4210e-8c0c-4349-971c-2aebb9223207o@googlegroups.com
    Topanga│emailsroutdated@nomail_  V8MFG.4674$d95.998@fx06.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.15--5.33pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 5  m227 Top; 9.2 Hours, 40tude, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Jun 15 {  8: 7am, 2020 }:33^(-4)  YjНɝ
      Seattle wasn't built on a fault line.

Seattle wasn't built on a fault line.

In my 60 years here, 
no one has died in an earthquake.

No tsunamis, nothing like that.

In Portland, back in the day,
I could see Mount Saint Helens smoking.

You can't see it from Seattle.
■
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.15--4.26pm.Seattle.2020
    Topanga│emailsroutdated@nomail_  vvTFG.5073$9r7.640@fx07.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.15--5.18pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 15  m227 Top; 43.9 Minutes, 40tude, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Jun 15 {  4:29pm, 2020 }:32^(-4)  Yjჰლ
      Pondering physics and metaphysics.

Re: All theories are wrong, some are useful, sometimes.

Mistress Topanga asked me:
> Where are you getting your weed from Jeff ?
> It must be some potent shit !
> Care to share with the rest of the class?

I spent most of my life pondering physics
and metaphysics... it's just who I am.

Today's post was prompted by this recent video
from " PBS Space Time ":

  " What Happens After the Universe Ends ? "
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PC2JOQ7z5L0
■
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.15--4.26pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
      All theories are wrong, some are useful, sometimes.

In physics, entropy is how evenly - heat/matter -
are distributed.

Our - hot/dense - sun evaporates
into the - cold/sparse - vacuum,
losing 4.3 million tons each second.

Our Universe is going from infinitely - hot/dense -
to infinitely - cold/sparse -.

"God" (nature) programmed us to ride this wave 
( i.e. to sustainably consume residual eXergy ),
same as the sun.

All theories are wrong, some are useful, sometimes;
i.e. quantum ignorance doesn't falsify 
thermodynamics nor General Relativity.
  
Randomness is ignorance ( nothing more, nothing less ).
"God" ( nature, General Relativity ) is static, immutable, 
changeless and timeless, both everything and nothing.
■
              TheRealSteve  ef27d8ff-0b6b-47dc-8dc6-400afd86a208o@googlegroups.com
            MrChrisV  2mo9ef51a5se55tujfjfv1fgt30cv1dv9b@4ax.com
          TheRealSteve  b0f25420-a8ed-4d87-b04c-5337a6711572o@googlegroups.com
        MrChrisV  841aef5jhv75amn4kf104o7i1g70vqefpb@4ax.com
      TheRealSteve  f4789eef-253f-4a2a-80ff-54a05ee17829o@googlegroups.com
    Topanga│emailsroutdated@nomail_  %SoFG.896$RN.542@fx13.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.14--8.55am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 10  m198 Top; 1.3 Hours, 40tude, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Jun 14 {  5:38am, 2020 }:21^(-4)  Yj6ʍ
      Is there a shortage of organic soy milk ?

What "rogue cop" ?

Police save lives, including black lives.

George Floyd was a professional criminal,
a thieving junkie, a professional victim,
just like his many followers.

He had heart disease and Covid-19.

A knee on the side of his neck, like that,
didn't stop him from talking for 8 minutes.

UnWilling to enter the cop car,
Floyd collapsed, as happens with Covid-19 sufferers.

The cops were insensitive to his peril,
I agree, but they weren't the "racist pigs"
that so many rioters need them to be.

Why do hippies need to riot ?
is there a shortage of organic soy milk ?
■
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.13--7.49pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
      No more working.

So long as asset prices keep rising,
as they have, - everyone - can retire.

No more working, no more paying rent,
no more turning a profit, none of that.
" Summer of Love ", indeed; see:
http://Jeff-Relf.Me/Fed.Bubble.PNG
■
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.13--5.23pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
      Police are the heroes.

Police are the heroes -- not the looters, 
not the thieving junkies, not the squatters;
police save lives, including black lives.

Emulating the worst parts of black culture
is cultural appropriation at its worst.

How about we emulate the best parts of Asian culture,
their work ethic, instead of outsourcing our
racism, fascism and pollution to China ?!
■
            AndrzejMatuch  KDNEG.3160$Py5.625@fx25.iad
          DFS  rbUEG.1567$9r7.733@fx07.iad
        BranimirMaksimovic  NDUEG.7447$MV3.1662@fx05.am4
      anonlinuxuser│linuxuser@noone_  rc1ev3$pol$2@dont-email.me
    Topanga│emailsroutdated@nomail_  mw2FG.36455$Av7.18157@fx34.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.13--5.57am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 3  m198 Top; 33 Minutes, 40tude, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Jun 13 {  4:12am, 2020 }:19^(-4)  YiɰJ
      Linux advocates are using old hardware.

Branimir Maksimovic:
> > > Win 8.1 boots blazingly fast, unlike Windows 10 that
> > > boots more then 30secs from *RAM*.

AnonLinuxUser:
> > I have to go get a cup of coffee before I can use Win10.
> > Very slow and I don't know why that is.
 
Mistress Topanga:
> My Windows 10 i9 boots in about 5 seconds. 
> This is using a Gigabyte z390 Designare board 
> with 64G and NVME PCIe SSD drives.
> 
> No hibernation or sleep mode set up and fastboot disabled.

My Windows 10 box, with my TeraByte NVMe M.2 SSD, 
i7-8700, z390, takes 13 seconds to boot
-- from the BIOS flash screen to the login prompt.

Conclusion: Linux advocates are using old hardware.
■
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.12--8.49pm.Seattle.2020
    Topanga│emailsroutdated@nomail_  NA2FG.1123$TO4.585@fx05.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.13--5.33am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 5  m198 Top; 28.3 Minutes, 40tude, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Jun 13 {  4:17am, 2020 }: 2^(-4)  Yiɰм
      Nobody wants to emulate China.

Our "Progressive" mayor is thrilled with current events,
calling it "the summer of love"; she's telling Trump: 
" Go back into your bunker. ".

Actually, it's more like "The Purge",
" The summer of bloody rape. ".    

The police save lives, including black lives.

Looting and arson are perfectly acceptable, commendable;
but you'll get a ticket if you try to run a hair salon.

Since when was Detroit the envy of the world, 
something to be emulated ?!

Isn't that cultural appropriation ?

Meanwhile, nobody wants to emulate China;
hell no, that'd be "racist, fascist, polluting";
we outsource that.
■
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.12--8.49pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
      We have to hand over the reins.

Last few years, laws enacted in Seattle are 
effectively a -huge- increase in both taxes
and regulations.

At the same time, services provided by 
the city have diminished to near zero.

We can't even get rid of a violent,
rapey housemate -- Lord have mercy !
If not the Lord, I'll take the Mafia.

"Progressives" are doing their damnedest 
to turn every city in America into Detroit;
complete with arson and looting.

If you really, -truly- believed that 
black lives mattered, you'd double the police 
force, especially in Chicago.

"Progressives" wrong-think starts at a young age,
when little Johnny, in his pink miniskirt,
could do no wrong.

Without punishments and rewards, 
nothing gets done, and 
we have to hand over the reins
to "racist, fascist, polluting" China.

Anyone who tries to do anything good in America
is immediately shouted down with the words,
"racist, fascist, polluter".

Meanwhile, negative interest rates, 
( after inflation ), negative risk premiums,
and the tech boom are driving Seattle's
real estate prices through the roof.

So buying your own home isn't an option for 
your typical part time, minimum-wage worker,
putting up with rapey, violent housemates.
■
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.12--6.28am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
      Bomb-Throwing "Anarchists" are winning.

Bomb-Throwing "Anarchists" are winning.

No more punishments, nor rewards.

No more winning, nor losing; 
just participation trophies.

If you don't pass the test,
then there's something wrong with the test,
as it couldn't be you, my little angel.

Deadbeats/Defaulters are coddled with 
bailouts, negative interest rates and
negative risk premiums -- virtual heroin.

Any attempt to do something positive is 
immediately struck down with the words:
fascist, racist, and polluter.

God bless China, America has had its day.
■
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.10--5.49pm.Seattle.2020
        Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  rbscep$1com$2@gioia.aioe.org
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.11--5.01am.Seattle.2020
    AndrzejMatuch  d6rEG.28169$731.13556@fx17.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.11--9.33am.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m10 Cool; 2.1 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤X11, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Jun 11 {  7:22am, 2020 }: 1^(-4)  YhNϡ
      Low interest rates are like heroin.

Andrzej Matuch replied ( to me ):
> > The last time interest rates were this low
> > it was 1934, the Great Depression,
> > with "Hoovervilles" ( tent cities ).
> > 
> > Low interest rates are like heroin,
> > it eases the pain; see:
> > http://Jeff-Relf.Me/1934.All.Over.Again.PNG
> 
> My wife and I don't mind 
> the low interest rates ourselves.

Of course "you don't mind it";
heroin is fun, short-term;
but you won't live long.
■
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.10--5.49pm.Seattle.2020
    SamWormley  aafc1f7c-9170-43cc-9f6c-a32cefe7c872o@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.11--9.30am.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m625 Dropped; 2.5 Hours, GoogleG,  Jun 11 {  6:58am, 2020 }:19^(PDT)  YhJБ
      Suppose Michael Moore got his way.

Sam Wormley replied ( to me ):
> > Wild West Looters, governments included,
> > have caused more damage than 9/11.
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6-eeqMVabQ   
> 
> It's the Climate, duh.

With or without humanity,
entropy will eventually kill the Earth,
the solar system, and The Universe.

Suppose Michael Moore got his way 
( so the world's GDP dropped each year );
humanity would just live longer/sadder.

Woody Allen wrote:
> You can live to be a hundred if you give up 
> all the things that make you want to live 
> to be a hundred.
■
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.10--5.49pm.Seattle.2020
    Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  rbscep$1com$2@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.11--5.01am.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m166 Mad; 7.2 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Aioe.ORG,  Jun 10 {  9:37pm, 2020 }:44^(-5)  YgЬɨ
      Low interest rates are like heroin.

Sergio replied ( to me ):
> > Wild West Looters, governments included,
> > have caused more damage than 9/11.
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6-eeqMVabQ   
> 
> Is Seattle is hit hard by riots ?

Yes.  Even before the riots, 
the looters were out in force, big time,
stealing shit, left and right, squatting wherever.

It reminds me of the hippie riots in 1968;
by 1970, Seattle was mostly shut down.

The last time interest rates were this low
it was 1934, the Great Depression,
with "Hoovervilles" ( tent cities ).

Low interest rates are like heroin,
it eases the pain; see:
http://Jeff-Relf.Me/1934.All.Over.Again.PNG
■
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.10--5.49pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
      More damage than 9/11.

Wild West Looters, governments included,
have caused more damage than 9/11.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6-eeqMVabQ   
■
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.10--7.16am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
      The Scofflaw.Bubble

According to Warren Buffett's favorite indicator 
( http://Jeff-Relf.Me/Scofflaw.Bubble.PNG )
the stock market is poised for the biggest 
correction ever, bigger than 1929 and 2000.

Buffett isn't hoarding gold, nor stocks;
no, he's hoarding cash ( 137 billion $ ).

We've seen the lawlessness, 
the looting on the streets,
but we've yet to see the white-collar looters
-- and they're there, trust me.
■
              HughHuntzinger  3e022d7b-59bf-4a0f-b3a5-912cdca7248co@googlegroups.com
            TheRealSteve  127012a1-e052-42ba-b827-d06e96b1b37fo@googlegroups.com
          HughHuntzinger  e2206a45-301d-47ea-861d-416b273146d6o@googlegroups.com
        TheRealSteve  eb335d06-5c6a-436e-b50a-96e6d978c6e8o@googlegroups.com
      HughHuntzinger  bc3df9a3-ee79-48e4-91c3-922f3f1bae2eo@googlegroups.com
    TheRealSteve  7efb4207-7583-4d3f-aea8-ad1c869c053bo@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.8--5.47pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m178 Mad; 2.6 Hours, GoogleG,  Jun  8 {  2:21pm, 2020 }:21^(PDT)  Yfɝβ
      Trump is both a genius and a cunt-grabbing fool.

Steve is absolutely correct.

Hugh is too high on his own supply.

Culture is why Asians out-earn whites;
lots of family support.

Rioting isn't going to make blacks
earn more than whites, much less Asians;
quite the contrary.

George Floyd was a thieving junkie,
and a professional victim, like his followers.

These guys have to go;
white-collar looters too.

The stock market bubble will pop soon because
racist, fascist China is eating our lunch.
■
              ScottDoty  hk79e4Fd0ufU3@mid.individual.net
            Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  mjssdfp3nm6ji2s1uv5uee7kim4p25uqqq@4ax.com
          ScottDoty  hk7bucFd0ufU4@mid.individual.net
        Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  1nusdflk0ld4nns3uf0taqbm576ppuqeg3@4ax.com
      a425couple│a425couple@hotmail_  rbm76702mpq@news3.newsguy.com
    Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  g5htdftbmhjivsgamc1pfv25afmtneffjf@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.8--5.36pm.Seattle.2020
  Alt.Checkmate, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Talk.Politics.Guns, Talk.Politics.Misc
    ╱ 1  m17 Cool; 43.8 Minutes, F_Agent, Alt.NET,  Jun  8 {  4:12pm, 2020 }:40^(-4)  Yfɰe
      Cops should be more sensitive.

Cops should be more sensitive;
George Floyd had heart disease
( from decades of drug abuse )
and he was sick with COVID-19.

Rioters don't care about any of this;
not the drug use, not the COVID-19.

DemocRat cities are boarded up,
for Christ's sake.

Floyd keeled over,
as happens with COVID-19 sufferers;
heart disease + inflammation = death.

A knee on the side of the neck, as happened,
doesn't cause asphyxiation; 
he was talking, no problem.

Accusing the cop(s) of "murder"
is political correctness gone awry;
bullshit virtue signaling.
■
              Topanga│emailsroutdated@nomail_  wvrDG.47230$8k1.13410@fx26.iad
            TheRealSteve  73182b8d-8591-42d5-a4ae-09360305065co@googlegroups.com
          Topanga│emailsroutdated@nomail_  hDsDG.601113$Xk.550568@fx46.iad
        anonlinuxuser│linuxuser@noone_  rbm6ue$mrl$1@dont-email.me
      AndrzejMatuch  3sxDG.69942$cS.3379@fx29.iad
    Topanga│emailsroutdated@nomail_  IiyDG.63685$qK6.59275@fx22.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.8--5.13pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 4  m208 Top; 2.2 Hours, 40tude, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Jun  8 {  2:44pm, 2020 }: 9^(-4)  Yfɡʁ
      These guys have to go.

George Floyd had a heart attack.

A knee on the side of the neck, like that,
doesn't cause asphyxiation; 
he was talking, no problem.

He had horrible heart disease,
COVID-19 ( which rioters don't care about ),
and traces of fentanyl+meth.

He was a thieving junkie,
a professional victim;
like his followers.

These guys have to go,
white-collar looters too;
the stock market bubble will pop soon.

Racist, Fascist China is eating our lunch.
■
      SamWormley  b150db97-064c-46eb-af4c-513c94f38ef6o@googlegroups.com
    Edward_Prochak│edprochak@gmail_  187adecc-5785-4045-828b-e0b4fabbf2b0o@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.8--3.57pm.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m56 Cool; 33.4 Minutes, GoogleG, 98.23.235.247,  Jun  8 {  2:57pm, 2020 }:58^(PDT)  YfɣϞ
      The speed of causality, a.k.a. the speed of light, must be finite.

The speed of causality, a.k.a. the speed of light, must be finite;
otherwise, -everything- would be local and instantaneous;
i.e. everything would be happening here, at once,
-- nothing could ever be happening there, then.

Edward Prochak enlightened us with:
> “All theories are wrong, but some are useful.” — Dr. George Box

Amen, brother.
■
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.8--4.29am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
      Everyone gets an A.

Hooded looters know to act now,
while the police are busy with other things;
in court, they get off scot-free.

White-Collar looters get bailed out first
and foremost, with blessings from Congress.

There are no winners&losers anymore;
everyone gets an A.

Without punishments and rewards,
nothing gets done; consequently, 
racist, fascist China is eating our lunch.
■
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.8--2.55am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
      White-Collar Looting.

Many Homicidal/Suicidal thieving junkies
and professional victims won't survive 
the 4th of July.

Central Banks have created 
the largest bubble ever, 
dwarfing 1929 and 2000.

White-Collar Looting dwarfs 
anything seen on the streets.
■
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.7--8.10am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
      Racist, fascist China is eating our lunch.

Former New York Gov. George Pataki slams 
New York leadership, citing bail reform as 
a huge issue; see:
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRLcq16Tpvk

By default, Thieving junkies and professional
victims run our major cities; meanwhile, 
racist, fascist China is eating our lunch.

Eventually, decent Americans 
must step up to the plate.
■
      ScottDoty  hk1gq1F8grtU10@mid.individual.net
    ScottDoty  hk2lfiF8grtU26@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.6--4.32pm.Seattle.2020
  Alt.Checkmate, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Talk.Politics.Guns, Talk.Politics.Misc
    ╱ 2  m50 Shifty; 17.2 Minutes, Pan, Individual.NET,  Jun  6 {  4:  pm, 2020 }: 3  Ydწ3
      "Nature’s God" ?!

Scott Doty wrote:
> "the checkmate" (spit) actually snipped 
> _The Declaration of Independence_ !! ??

I stopped reading it at:

  the separate and equal station 
  to which the Laws of Nature and 
  of Nature’s God entitle them,

"Nature’s God" ?!

"God" is nature -- nothing more, nothing less.
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              ScottDoty  hjuteoFm0n4U8@mid.individual.net
            Janithor│Janithor@comcast_net  rbeimh$alc$1@dont-email.me
          ScottDoty  hk01rtFm0n4U21@mid.individual.net
        Janithor│Janithor@comcast_net  rbem06$7it$1@dont-email.me
      .  kXQfNNnfO.@127.0.0.1
    ScottDoty  hk1t2hF8grtU20@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.6--9.33am.Seattle.2020
  Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns, Talk.Politics.Misc, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 2  m46 Shifty; 18.1 Minutes, Pan, Individual.NET,  Jun  6 {  9: 3am, 2020 }:29  YdЦκ
      News5.Open-News-Network.ORG:119

Unless you enjoy -Random- lags ( when will your post show up ? ),
Do NOT use a binary server to read Usenet.
For that, use INN servers; to wit:
  
  News5.Open-News-Network.ORG:119
  News2.Open-News-Network.ORG:119
  News6.Open-News-Network.ORG:119
          News.Individual.NET:119
  
  "OpenNews" is cost free; warning: these servers are SLOW.
  Register at:  Open-News-Network.ORG/register
                Must translate from German; if Captcha fails, F5 refresh.

  "Individual.NET" is 10 Euros per year;
  warning: its archive is heavily censored.

Do NOT post using Individual.NET, it'll censor you;
instead, use a binary server; to wit:
  
  News.US.Usenet-News.NET:119  or  usNews.BlockNews.NET:119 
  
  They won't censor you; they don't even keep the "Path:" line,
  so you can't be identified.  Their archive is over 18 years deep.
  $5 buys you 11 gigs, enough for several life times.
  If one is down ( -very- unlikely ), use the other one.
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            .  hk06vsFm0n4U26@mid.individual.net
          ScottDoty  hk19jhFm0n4U32@mid.individual.net
        Skeeter│Scoot@invalid_invalid  fe4ndf56j86b629tb1aj06eioh2fqji2mo@4ax.com
      ScottDoty  hk1i3mF8grtU12@mid.individual.net
    ScottDoty  hk1pt4F8grtU18@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.6--8.26am.Seattle.2020
  Alt.Checkmate, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Talk.Politics.Guns, Talk.Politics.Misc
    ╱ 1  m44 Shifty; 8.4 Minutes, Pan, Individual.NET,  Jun  6 {  8: 9am, 2020 }:24  YdНε
      Must every load end up in a fertile cunt ?

Scott Doty keeps mentioning:
> onobomber

Do you problem with masturbation ?

Must every load end up in a fertile cunt ?
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    AndrzejMatuch  82OCG.222662$Oi4.124760@fx43.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.6--8.14am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 3  m329 Mad; 10.9 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤X11, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Jun  6 {  7:49am, 2020 }:40^(-4)  YdКɤ
      "Everything.EXE" is the best way to search your PC.

Andrzej Matuch commented:
> When searching from the Start Menu
> for a competing web browser to launch, 
> Windows 10 will display an ad that
> recommends users download the new Microsoft Edge.

"Everything.EXE" is the best way to search your PC.
  [ Google: Everything ]

I haven't had a Start Button since Win8 came out.

As my copy of Windows 10 starts up, it calls:
  StartKiller.EXE
  [ Google: StartKiller ]
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          AndrzejMatuch  j1zCG.145007$gN7.57140@fx03.iad
        Joel│joelcrump@gmail_com  pufldf5g3snghmqeevog61kdqrk7a6ackd@4ax.com
      AndrzejMatuch  AwNCG.64655$ZL6.18591@fx28.iad
    Topanga│emailsroutdated@nomail_  nSNCG.186541$Us2.3607@fx07.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.6--7.59am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m163 Mad; 8.4 Minutes, 40tude, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Jun  6 {  7:37am, 2020 }: 8^(-4)  YdИȺ
      Trump is both a genius and a cunt-grabbing fool.

Mistress Topanga mentioned:
> I watched MSNBC and CNN this morning 
> as they tried to explain away the rebound 
> that the economy has begun to experience.
> 
> It was hilarious.
> 
> They just can't face the fact that Trump, 
> while a self absorbed, narcissistic idiot 
> with a limited vocabulary, seems to have 
> an uncanny ability to predict things.

Trump is both a genius and a cunt-grabbing fool.
■
              Checkmate│More_Bull_Schiff  d7bdbs.f80.17.59@news.alt.net
            ScottDoty  hk08qqFm0n4U28@mid.individual.net
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.6--4.19am.Seattle.2020
        ScottDoty  hk1dg0F8grtU3@mid.individual.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.6--5.45am.Seattle.2020
    Joel│joelcrump@gmail_com  dt4ndfpoe2ul7d3dm0diqitr7oig86q9qj@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.6--6.14am.Seattle.2020
  Alt.Checkmate, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Talk.Politics.Guns, Talk.Politics.Misc
    ╱ 1  m111 Dropped; 4.4 Minutes, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jun  6 {  6: 2am, 2020 }:44^(-4)  Ydϸʤ
      Jesus agreed with our central bankers.

"Joel" (Snit) replied ( to me ):
> > 2000 years ago Jesus knew that 
> > wisdom&money should be -taken- from
> > the less worthy and given to the more worthy.
> > 
> > Since then, nothing has changed.
> 
> You really do not understand Jesus.

You don't have to be rich to be a wonderful person;
e.g. Jesus, Buddha, Darwin and Einstein.

Jesus agreed with our central bankers; saying:

> For whosoever hath, to him shall be given,
> and he shall have more abundance; 
> 
> but whosoever hath not, from him
> shall be taken away even that he hath.

See: "Parable of the Talents" and
"Parable of the Sower".

In Matthew 25:30 KJV, Jesus says:

> Cast ye the unprofitable servant
> into outer darkness:  there shall be 
> weeping and gnashing of teeth. 

The idea is that you plant your "seed" 
(investment) where you get the highest return;
i.e. you give it to the (proven) rich,
not to the poor (deadbeats).

Don't cast pearls before swine.
Never try to teach a pig to sing; 
it wastes your time and it annoys the pig.
■
              anonlinuxuser│linuxuser@noone_  rbdnqh$rg1$3@dont-email.me
            ScottDoty  hjv7efFm0n4U14@mid.individual.net
          Checkmate│More_Bull_Schiff  d7bdbs.f80.17.59@news.alt.net
        ScottDoty  hk08qqFm0n4U28@mid.individual.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.6--4.19am.Seattle.2020
    ScottDoty  hk1dg0F8grtU3@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.6--5.45am.Seattle.2020
  Alt.Checkmate, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Talk.Politics.Guns, Talk.Politics.Misc
    ╱ 3  m38 Shifty; 47.3 Minutes, Pan, Individual.NET,  Jun  6 {  4:37am, 2020 }:36  YdϜɠ
      Wisdom&Money should be -taken- from the less worthy.

Scott Doty replied ( to me ):
> > If, like Scott Doty, you love thieving junkies
> > and professional victims burning down cars and
> > buildings, killing cops and looting your 
> > local stores, then vote for Joe Biden.
> 
> That is a libel, Jeff.
> 
> I do not love thieveing junkies and professional victims 
> burning down cars and buildings, killing cops,
> or looting local stores.

How would you solve this problem ?

Communism doesn't allow for punishments and rewards;
so no one is motivated to do anything.

This is why North Korea is in a permanent blackout.

Also, it's why China turned fascist;
it doesn't tolerate thieveing junkies
and professional victims.

> alt.right assholes 

If they don't make sense, ignore them.

You can't teach a pig to sing.

2000 years ago Jesus knew that 
wisdom&money should be -taken- from the less worthy
and given to the more worthy.

Since then, nothing has changed.
■
              anonlinuxuser│linuxuser@noone_  rbdnqh$rg1$3@dont-email.me
            ScottDoty  hjv7efFm0n4U14@mid.individual.net
          Checkmate│More_Bull_Schiff  d7bdbs.f80.17.59@news.alt.net
        ScottDoty  hk08qqFm0n4U28@mid.individual.net
      Checkmate│More_Bull_Schiff  d7bu5b.f80.17.67@news.alt.net
    ScottDoty  hk18mbFm0n4U31@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.6--4.29am.Seattle.2020
  Alt.Checkmate, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Talk.Politics.Guns, Talk.Politics.Misc
    ╱ 3  m35 Shifty; 51.3 Minutes, Pan, Individual.NET,  Jun  6 {  3:15am, 2020 }:39  Ydχτ
      Fascist China is kicking our ass.

Fascist China is kicking our ass.

Communist North Korea has yet to discover
the light bulb.

The former understands the need for
punishments and rewards;
the latter worships its dictator.
■
            ScottDoty  hjtlv5FeievU5@mid.individual.net
          anonlinuxuser│linuxuser@noone_  rbdnqh$rg1$3@dont-email.me
        ScottDoty  hjv7efFm0n4U14@mid.individual.net
      Checkmate│More_Bull_Schiff  d7bdbs.f80.17.59@news.alt.net
    ScottDoty  hk08qqFm0n4U28@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.6--4.19am.Seattle.2020
  Alt.Checkmate, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Talk.Politics.Guns, Talk.Politics.Misc
    ╱ 4  m35 Shifty; 9.9 Hours, Pan, Individual.NET,  Jun  5 {  6:11pm, 2020 }:54  Ydʃჰ
      "the checkmate" butts in

If, like Scott Doty, you love thieving junkies
and professional victims burning down cars and
buildings, killing cops and looting your 
local stores, then vote for Joe Biden.

If, like Mr. Checkmate, you appreciate the need for 
punishments and rewards, then vote for Trump.
■
        DFS  byZBG.193457$2e3.16301@fx35.iad
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.3--10.32pm.Seattle.2020
    BranimirMaksimovic  6N%BG.613463$XQ5.206044@fx28.am4
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.5--3.11pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    +-, 1.7 Days, slrn➤Linux, HighWinds➤Usenet-News.NET,  Jun  3 { 10:38pm, 2020 }:10  Ycuʂ
      Where one's wife is merely a possession.

Old man Branimir Maksimovic ( in Sarajevo )
replied ( to me ):
> > You can't have both your balls and a wife;
> > it's one or the other.
> 
> I have wife, and I love her.

Very Old Testament (Torah),
where one's wife is merely a possession,
like a house, servants and donkeys.

In Seattle, no one lives like that anymore.
■
              .  rbaskq$9hq$1@gioia.aioe.org
            .  rbbrjp$o35$1@dont-email.me
          .  646afaac-3bfe-49cb-9a6c-76f8129107d5o@googlegroups.com
        .  rbe19a$mc1$1@gioia.aioe.org
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.5--0.19pm.Seattle.2020
    HughHuntzinger  98a7d12a-c322-4a82-98c2-b34ec2dd8482o@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.5--1.05pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m129 Dropped; 3.7 Minutes, GoogleG, 173.70.116.6,  Jun  5 {   :51pm, 2020 }:35^(PDT)  YdɌπ
      Racism and police brutality are red herrings.

Hugh Huntzinger commented:
> > Police shoving 75-year-old white man.
> 
> after the citizen was knocked down & out,
> the officer failed to render first aid 
> when he had a duty of care.

Yes, as I recently posted:

  Cops must be more sensitive to sick people;
  George Floyd was too weak to handle it.

  He had a heart attack;
  heart disease and COVID-19.

Racism and police brutality are red herrings,
drawing people away from bigger issues; to wit:

  Everyone in America is "rich" ( well-off );
  but that's not enough for the DemocRats;
  they want -everyone- to be (equally) -poor-.

  The goal isn't just absurd and unobtainable,
  it's also undesirable because, 
  without punishments and rewards, nothing happens.

  George Floyd was a thieving junkie,
  and a professional victim, 
  just like his "supporters".
■
              AndrzejMatuch  DDuCG.65139$g24.53010@fx30.iad
            TheRealSteve  868c576e-506e-45f9-b45c-d587481034c9o@googlegroups.com
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.5--0.54pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m161 Cool; 3.5 Minutes, GoogleG,  Jun  5 {   :27pm, 2020 }:33^(PDT)  Ydɀξ
      Punishments-n-Rewards.

Steve mentioned DemocRat-run cities.

Everyone in America is "rich" ( well-off );
but that's not enough for the DemocRats;
they want -everyone- to be (equally) -poor-.

The goal isn't just absurd and unobtainable,
it's also undesirable because, 
without punishments and rewards, nothing happens.

George Floyd was a thieving junkie,
and a professional victim, 
just like his "supporters".

He had a heart attack;
heart disease and COVID-19.

Cops must be more sensitive to sick people;
Floyd was too weak to handle it.
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              Zeb_Dee│zebedee@tiscali_co_uk  rbambp$1366$1@gioia.aioe.org
            Arindam_Banerjee│  fa8c6a42-7722-4c3f-8f01-7e244bf1d0db@googlegroups.com
          Zeb_Dee│zebedee@tiscali_co_uk  rbaskq$9hq$1@gioia.aioe.org
        whodat│whodat@avoid_void_net  rbbrjp$o35$1@dont-email.me
      Arindam_Banerjee│  646afaac-3bfe-49cb-9a6c-76f8129107d5o@googlegroups.com
    Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  rbe19a$mc1$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.5--0.19pm.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m174 Mad; 50.7 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Aioe.ORG,  Jun  5 { 11: 1am, 2020 }:14^(-5)  Ydyɀ
      Police shoving 75-year-old white man.

Police shoving 75-year-old white man:
  www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ww-Xq0yZfw

The police weren't being exceptionally vicious,
the old man simply couldn't handle it.

Likewise, George Floyd was so sick, 
he simply fell down.

He had heart disease and COVID-19;
he was abusing meth and fentanyl.

He died of a heart attack,
not asphyxiation.

He was a thieving junkie,
and a professional victim, 
just like his "supporters".

"Black Lives Matter" is a red Herring;
people use it to avoid the real issues.
■
              Janithor│Janithor@comcast_net  rbc8ih$p2q$1@dont-email.me
            SpamBot  hjtqlaFgh42U1@mid.individual.net
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      Janithor│Janithor@comcast_net  rbcgvs$tg5$1@dont-email.me
    Checkmate│More_Bull_Schiff  d79b6f.f80.17.13@news.alt.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.5--0.56am.Seattle.2020
  Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns, Talk.Politics.Misc, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 2  m73 Cool; 1.9 Hours, MicroPlanet, Alt.NET,  Jun  4 { 10:36pm, 2020 }:30^(-7)  YcжU
      Thieving junkies and professional victims.

Janithor mentioned:
> > random violent criminals, 

They're thieving junkies and professional victims;
they run this place.

> PSSST... Trump in November... right ?
> It must be done.

Perhaps Chairman Xi could lend us a hand.
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              DFS  akxBG.166911$eg7.2416@fx33.iad
            TheRealSteve  e1e16075-9af4-465f-b750-0aaff2abe367@googlegroups.com
          DFS  0nSBG.440989$mf1.261903@fx45.iad
        TheRealSteve  e7deea79-3a26-4fcd-9379-147a44ba20f0@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.4--9.41am.Seattle.2020
    AndrzejMatuch  %B9CG.175247$FY5.29306@fx39.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.4--11.49am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    +-, 1.9 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤X11, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Jun  4 {  9:48am, 2020 }:59^(-4)  Ycʨx
      My subscribers.

Andrzej Matuch replied ( to me ):
> > The "Mindless Chess" game I created:
> >   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7T-eur2tyk
> 
> 1 subscriber.  You're on your way, Jeff. 

Two, counting you.

> Before you know it, you'll no
> longer have to take your dumps in a bucket.

My "Vittles Vault" usage is pure genius.
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              Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  rbb7u2$c2f$1@gioia.aioe.org
            Hugh_Buck│hugb@twinst2ws_ne  rbb87o$89c$1@gioia.aioe.org
          Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  rbba6g$1i0q$1@gioia.aioe.org
        Hugh_Buck│hugb@twinst2ws_ne  rbbbhj$1rim$1@gioia.aioe.org
      Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  rbbcqu$rii$1@gioia.aioe.org
    Hugh_Buck│hugb@twinst2ws_ne  rbbdpb$1a7l$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.4--11.36am.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╳ 1  m5 Shifty; 12.5 Minutes, PiaoHong/1_42, Aioe.ORG,  Jun  4 { 11:16am, 2020 }:12  YcΗϺ
      Thieving junkies and professional victims.

Hugh_Buck mentioned:
> 2 mil homeless in California

Thieving junkies and professional victims.

Singapore, China and the Philippines
don't tolerate them; here, they run the place.
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              DFS  jwwBG.435186$mf1.16224@fx45.iad
            TheRealSteve  14591e30-90a5-4b78-ae3e-af38374f28d6@googlegroups.com
          DFS  akxBG.166911$eg7.2416@fx33.iad
        TheRealSteve  e1e16075-9af4-465f-b750-0aaff2abe367@googlegroups.com
      DFS  0nSBG.440989$mf1.261903@fx45.iad
    TheRealSteve  e7deea79-3a26-4fcd-9379-147a44ba20f0@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.4--9.41am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 5  m155 Cool; 8.6 Hours, GoogleG,  Jun  3 {  1:36pm, 2020 }:46^(PDT)  Ybეk
      The "Mindless Chess" game that I created.

Steve replied ( to DFS ):
> > I hate getting beat by the chess computer 
> > - and it wins EVERY time unless I set it 
> > on DooFuS mode.  Then it's a draw.
> 
> LOL! I know the feeling... to the point where 
> I'll set it to 1001 and just crush it... 
> but I will give it odds... 
> just played a few minutes ago:
>   https://streamable.com/5r22h2

This is the "Mindless Chess" game that I created:
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7T-eur2tyk

The object is to get as many points as possible;
"winning" is a foregone conclusion.
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          ScottDoty  hjpkgcFibcrU2@mid.individual.net
        TheRealSteve  d8808ba7-d706-40cb-8692-ac96bba21a00@googlegroups.com
      SpamBot  hjqb3tFol5lU1@mid.individual.net
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.3--10.43pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 7  m155 Cool; 9.1 Hours, GoogleG,  Jun  3 {  1: 6pm, 2020 }:48^(PDT)  Ybяm
      Asian fascism.

"Black Lives Matter" progressives are 
damaging themselves more than anyone else;
they're self-destructing.

Asian fascism started in Singapore and 
spread to China and the Philippines.

Thieving junkies and professional victims
are not tolerated.

I can see this spreading to India,
Europe and America.
■
    DFS  byZBG.193457$2e3.16301@fx35.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.3--10.32pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 2  m183 Top; 2.1 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win8.1, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Jun  3 {  8: 4pm, 2020 }:20^(-4)  YcUВ
      You can't have both your balls and a wife.

DFS:
> an estate worth approx $700K. ...
> she's trying to steal everything she can,
> even though she knows my Dad wanted that house
> ( later, the proceeds ) to go to me.

You ridicule Fabian Russell for not having a wife,
as if it were some kind of deficiency;
the opposite is true, quite obviously.

You can't have both your balls and a wife;
it's one or the other.
■
    DFS  GvSBG.73555$n_5.18012@fx09.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.3--10.09pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m180 Top; 1 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win8.1, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Jun  3 {   : 3pm, 2020 }:53^(-4)  Ybфϙ
      Thieving junkies and professional victims.

DFS:
> two local Walmarts closed down because 
> jigs called in to say they would be looting

Everyone in America is "rich" ( well-off );
but that's not enough for the DemocRats;
they want -everyone- to be equally rich.

Here, they're looting Nordstroms, Apple stores,
and fancy boutiques ( University Village ).

Amazon Prime deliveries are taking days;
which affects me, personally.

My 25 lbs, 40", UHD curved monitor has been 
destroying monitor arms at an alarming rate;
my last one didn't last 6 months !

So I'm switching to this 15 lbs, 32" UHD 
(extra) curved monitor:
  https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07VLJPZDR

The most durable monitor arm is:
  https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00MIBN16O

Asian fascism started in Singapore and 
spread to China and the Philippines.

Thieving junkies and professional victims
are not tolerated.

I can see this spreading to India,
Europe and America.
■
        RonB│ronb02NOSPAM@gmail_com  rb74v8$qvg$2@dont-email.me
      MrChrisV  eu0fdfhh065120rq7li5g78dc03mvvsj7s@4ax.com
    TheRealSteve  230aa692-5774-4021-a74c-678ef35daec6@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.3--8.15am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m144 Cool; 3.5 Minutes, GoogleG,  Jun  3 {  6:52am, 2020 }:33^(PDT)  YbАП
      If America suddenly became sane.

RonB and ChrisV:
> > > 77 year old, former black police chief,
> > > murdered by looting thugs.
> > >
> > > Almost nothing in the MSM.
> > > Apparently not ALL black lives matter.
> > 
> > 84 shot, 23 fatally, in Chicago, over the weekend.
> > Apparently, no white people were involved, 
> > so it doesn't make the evening news.

America is manic-depressive.

Interest rates could be -30 %, it wouldn't help;
no one is going to lend money to deadbeats, 
looters, murderers and arsonists.

In uncertain times people save money,
investing in the (overpriced) stock market, 
instead of spending it.

If America suddenly became sane,
the stock market would drop like a rock.
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Jeff-Relf.Me@May.31--11.39pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
      Winners in China and Singapore.

Deadbeats don't get additional loans;
— deflation.

In uncertain times people save, not spend;
— deflation.

Warren Buffett is hoarding cash, 137 billion $;
— not gold, not stocks, cash.

Arsonists/Looters/losers chant “eat the rich”;
winners in China and Singapore think differently;
— deflation.
■
Dear editor, why can't I reply to Ms Portia's
> the pillage that is capitalism...
> 
> protesters on Saturday were marching down 
> Rodeo Drive in Beverly Hills chanting 
> “eat the rich”. LOL. 

Why did you allow her "eat the rich, LOL"
comment and not my reply:

Norway and Singapore have the best healthcare 
systems but they're -not- pure communists;
to the contrary, they practice anti-union, 
state-dictated capitalism, a.k.a. fascism.

China follows the Singapore model.
"Eat the rich" communism is weak.
■
Ms Portia replied ( to me ):
> Is it really wisdom and acumen, 
> or just the willingness to run everyone 
> else off the road to get what you want 
> that sets “those who best handle it” apart ?

Teaching a pig to sing is a waste of your time;
and it annoys the pig.

You can't give wisdom to those who are 
unable to receive it; likewise,
it's pointless to give money to those
who can't employ it properly.

You wouldn't give a blowtorch to a toddler,
would you ?!

> Unless you are willing to avidly participate 
> in the pillage that is capitalism in this country, 
> you are weak, stupider than a rabid dog, 
> and deserve to be annihilated.

You don't have to be rich to be a wonderful person;
e.g. Jesus, Buddha, Darwin and Einstein.

Arsonists are dumber than a rabid dog;
sure, their bodies are mature, but 
their minds are (permanently) stunted.

> I just saw on the news that protesters on 
> Saturday were marching down Rodeo Drive in 
> Beverly Hills chanting “eat the rich”. LOL.

They get no respect from me; 
they've all the maturity of a spoiled brat.

> Yes, some things never change.

Blonde haired, blue-eyed Norway,
and "Dεath to drug dealers and dissidents"
Singapore have the best healthcare systems,
but they're fΑscist too, not just socialist.

Pure cοmmunism has never worked anywhere,
and it never will.
 
> Hope your bunker is nice.

I'm face-to-face with the nastiest thieving junkies,
drunks, and homeless squatters you can imagine;
probably -worse- than you can imagine.
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              .  ramngl$ic9$1@gioia.aioe.org
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.28--2.52am.Seattle.2020
          MrChrisV  299vcf1hapq3r5l1mrve2jajp4g0v2jv0p@4ax.com
        anonlinuxuser│linuxuser@noone_  raot1m$sks$2@dont-email.me
      MrChrisV  hnvvcftt83iga8lajc4b2ing5fdqsh7h43@4ax.com
    anonlinuxuser│linuxuser@noone_  rapcdu$44a$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.28--4.51pm.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m191 Mad; 1.7 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Mac, Eternal-September.ORG,  May 28 {  3: 2pm, 2020 }:38^(-6)  YXტʞ
      Burning down buildings and looting.

> I bet he was afraid to let go, 
> otherwise he'd get his butt beat badly.
> To me, this cop was nothing more than a psycho.

Nothing polishes the reputation of
"Black Lives Matter" progressives like 
burning down buildings and looting.
■
            .  cc6a570f-ad5a-4f63-9a4c-b06b9f047cc2@googlegroups.com
          .  47f9e8f7-91f7-41d9-b2cd-0c429b1a40ce@googlegroups.com
        MichaelMoroney  ramhg4$dn8$1@pcls7.std.com
      Fred_Glover│fregl@fwbup2_sn  ramkbl$ept$10@gioia.aioe.org
    Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  ramngl$ic9$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.28--2.52am.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 3  m153 Cool; 11.8 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Aioe.ORG,  May 27 {  2:53pm, 2020 }:25^(-5)  YXɢდ
      Black lives matter.

Imagine if SpaceX sent black women into space,
and they died in the process !

There'd be rioting in the streets, chanting:

  Black lives matter.
■
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.21--8.28pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
      Ignoring bad habits.

The rich are doing better than ever;
-only- the poor are suffering.

It’s silly to blame it on a virus,
completely ignoring bad habits.

Virus or not, obese geezers weren’t
going to live long anyways.

Our youth are suffering too;
half of them are unwanted,
unneeded, “nonessential”, lost.

Hence the low fertility rate;
women are having fewer kids.

The bluer the state, the worse it is;
people are voting with their feet.

Europe is worse off than America.
■
          FabianRussell  r9uaa501t0s@news4.newsguy.com
        DFS  qaywG.201095$872.154004@fx38.iad
      FabianRussell  r9ud8a01v88@news2.newsguy.com
    DFS  1gAwG.166731$AE7.74550@fx41.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.21--9.00am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, News.Software.Readers
    ╱ 15  m230 Top; 2.8 Days, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win8.1, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  May 18 { 11:14am, 2020 }:12^(-4)  YRȴʄ
      What MS Office's "Outlook" might be.

DFS wrote:
> Outlook Express has nothing to do with MS Office.

I've no idea what MS Office's "Outlook" might be.

http://Jeff-Relf.Me/Most.Popular.eMail.Clients.JPG
■
              ScottDoty  h9irubFgu01U3@mid.individual.net
            Al_Czervik│Caddyshack_Al@gmail_  r148g7$qdd$1@dont-email.me
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.1--10.55am.Seattle.2020
        Al_Czervik│Caddyshack_Al@gmail_  r16t3m$aq2$2@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.2--0.16pm.Seattle.2020
    Al_Czervik│Caddyshack_Al@gmail_  r17bk1$4ua$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.2--2.57pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 22  m50 Cool; 1.3 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Feb  2 {   :31pm, 2020 }:59^(-8)  Xъζɷ
      Banks are (crappy) landlords.

Al Czervik replied ( to me ):
> > Mom-and-pop landlords are being killed off, and 
> > the Fed is pouring money into zombie corporations;
> > banks are going to become landlords, big-time.
> 
> You're talking about repossession of rental properties? 
> Then they will sell them and prices will go down.

Banks are (crappy) landlords.
They let people stay in their homes for years,
paying nothing, because they don't want to book the losses.
 
> I'm not buying into the "Seattle is becoming Detroit"
> thing ( not yet ). 

Quoting ( Seattle Attorney ) Ryan Weatherstone:
> a resident was caught on security 
> camera beating an 80-year-old woman.    
> 
> Due to the Just Cause ordinance, the 
> apartment manager could not simply 
> give him a 20-day notice to vacate.    
> 
> Under the Just Cause process, the 
> low-income housing provider in this 
> case would have had to spend upwards 
> of $20,000 to go through the lengthy 
> process.     
> 
> This would have resulted in the victim 
> enduring the man for additional 
> months, denying a low-income apartment 
> unit from a deserving resident, and 
> tying up resources that could be used 
> to support many more residents.    
https://thelens.news/2020/01/24/i-was-a-seattle-code-enforcer-just-cause-laws-put-neighbors-and-rental-homes-at-risk/
■
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.19--2.37am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
      NO-CAUSE EVICTION IS A BASIC HUMAN RIGHT.

Like no-fault divorce, 
NO-CAUSE EVICTION IS A BASIC HUMAN RIGHT;
otherwise, housemates ( in a rooming house,
SRO ) suffer.

When a woman wants out of a marriage,
she doesn't have to explain herself
to anyone; she's just freed.

As it stands now, the police+courts stand 
by the bad actor, forcing better tenants 
to move out of the SRO.

Most of the nation is too rich to understand 
how the police+courts screw-over SRO tenants.

It's very Darwinian, I suppose;
nature has no mercy for the weak.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPFPBzr7FgY
■
      MitchellRaemsch  b8601095-1396-4fcf-9b50-882221e907e3@googlegroups.com
    Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  hie6phFe66eU1@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.17--6.47pm.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m4 Top; 11 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Individual.NET,  May 17 {  6:30pm, 2020 }:26^(10)  YQϽQ
      Truth is stranger than fiction.

I hate to pop your bubble, Sylvia, but 
Mitchell Raemsch isn't interested in science.

There's a lot of money in sci-fi;
so not even (pop) physicists are 
truly interested in -real- science.

Their loss, truth is stranger than fiction.
■
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.16--9.16am.Seattle.2020
    AndrzejMatuch  FIVvG.319653$Xk.46008@fx46.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.16--0.24pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 8  m242 Mad; 1.2 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤X11, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  May 16 { 10:49am, 2020 }:25^(-4)  YPиɕ
      Never try to teach a pig to sing.

Andrzej Matuch replied ( to me ):
> > The supply of people ( and goods ) 
> > exceeds demand... [deflation]
> 
> Yet another rambling post 
> whose point escapes everyone.

Never try to teach a pig to sing;
it annoys the pig.

So many unwanted people.

It’s so bad, even our schools are shut down,
with no re-opening date in sight.

Borders are shut down, as if to say:
> We’ve got plenty of people here already,
> thank you very much.

And it’s so very “green”,
Greta Thunberg must be tickled pink.
■
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.16--9.16am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
      The supply of people ( and goods ).

The supply of people ( and goods ) 
exceeds demand; schools are closed 
indefinitely, borders are shut down.

Short of a war, how do you decrease 
the supply of people ( and goods ) ?!

If, on the other hand, you'd increase demand,
you'll have to fight Michael Moore,
Al Gore, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, and
Greta Thunberg.
■
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.13--8.07am.Seattle.2020
    Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  r9h3l6$g7i$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.13--10.15am.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 6  m163 Cool; 1.5 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Aioe.ORG,  May 13 {  8:27am, 2020 }:34^(-5)  YNРο
      My money's on the zombies.

Sergio replied ( to me ):
> > Fear grows like a cancer; eventually, 
> > landlords and stockholders run for "the door"
> > ( 30 year treasuries ); the yield curve inverts.
> > 
> 1 mo is at .10%, 30 year at 1.27 %
> hmmm... what do you think inflation 
> will be in 2 to 5 years out ?

Depends on how fast the Feds can print, vs.
how fast the world can default on its debt.

Feds vs. Zombies.

Currently, my money's on the zombies.
■
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.13--8.07am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
      China picks up the slack; deflation ensues.

Defaults are killing money 
faster than the Fed can create it.

Smarter millennials don't want to work;
the more you give them, the less they work.
China picks up the slack; deflation ensues.

Fear grows like a cancer; eventually, 
landlords and stockholders run for "the door"
( 30 year treasuries ); the yield curve inverts.
■
Jos Oskam:
> Here in France, I bought a large 
> acreage when I came here in 2003 and 
> leased it to a local farmer.    
> 
> The lease price is under gov’s control 
> and has barely gone up over time.    
> 
> Contrary to property tax and tax on 
> lease income, which each year take a 
> larger bite out of revenue.    
> 
> Plus, it’s as good as impossible to 
> throw the lessee off, even when he 
> refuses to pay or mistreats the property.  

Same here, in urban Seattle;
society carelessly mistreats us.

We've gangs of squatters breaking windows, 
light fixtures, doors, and the washing 
machine/dryer ( for the coins ).

There's a lot of them, high on drugs;
they steal bikes, mail and packages.

The police refuse to do anything about it;
the jails are mostly empty.

We're not allowed to evict;
so the bad tenants have chased out 
the better ones.

I've 5 unrented rooms right now,
out of 32.

Most are not paying rent because 
they know they don't have to;
the landlord is slow to fix things.

The University of Washington is 
shut down indefinitely;
buildings and stores are closed.

The (former) fraternities to my North 
and South are both empty.

The 109 unit apartment complex, 
across the alley, is unusually quiet.

When I first moved here, early 2006,
it was concert-level loud; now you can 
hear the trees rustling in the wind.

Labor force participation is down;
it's a long-term trend.

Fear is growing like a cancer; people
are fleeing risky stocks in favor of 
U.S. treasury bonds, pinning the yield curve.
■
      BTY│investorhighriseme  9a6hbf9e3075giomu26hp3900deicvkh0s@4ax.com
    AndrzejMatuch  bt2uG.73276$mI3.263@fx37.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.11--5.29am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m113 Cool; 9.8 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤X11, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  May 10 {  7: 9pm, 2020 }:11^(-4)  YMLΠ
      Do a -clean- install of Windows.

Andrzej Matuch:
> the use of sound in Windows often leads to a blue screen with
> my computer on Windows and absolute stability on GNU/Linux.

Do a -clean- install of Windows.

Download the latest version;
Version 2004 ( May 2020 Major Update ).

Turn off all your startup apps, first, before installing.
Have all your drivers ready, you'll need them.

P.S. I'm not here for love and adoration.
For that, try:  Alt.Furries
■
.
Ain't nothing stopping 
the growth of the zombie horde.

The flight to safety continues unabated.

That means selling stocks ( stockholders are 
first in line to lose their shirts ) and 
buying 30 year treasuries -- because 
nothing, nowhere is safer.

The Japanification of America is real.
                    
Since 1989, Japan's asset prices 
and consumer prices have been falling,
slow and steady -- low and slow GDP growth.

It's 2008 all over again.

Massive printing, no inflation.
No increase in interest rates.
No increase in risk premiums.

What could be greener ?!
Essentially, no one can fly anywhere.

Two weeks quarantine upon arrival;
another two weeks upon return.
■
              JimPennino  rc3bog-bgo.ln1@mail.specsol.com
            Edward_Prochak│edprochak@gmail_  8d854b01-e871-46f0-8872-9c7de076148b@googlegroups.com
          JimPennino  cutdog-s74.ln1@mail.specsol.com
        Edward_Prochak│edprochak@gmail_  a75db335-e34d-427c-88fd-e555831323c3@googlegroups.com
      JimPennino  u3mlog-8ps.ln1@mail.specsol.com
    Edward_Prochak│edprochak@gmail_  921a17bd-3f7c-4dba-977c-efb2a2379b61@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.10--0.29pm.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m56 Cool; 1.6 Hours, GoogleG, 67.140.182.170,  May 10 { 10:32am, 2020 }:32^(PDT)  YLеʘ
      Chicken Little's want our GDP to go down.

Edward Prochak replied ( to Jim Pennino ):
> > It is up to the hysterical to PROVE their point.
> 
> this is a civil case, not criminal.

Chicken Little's want our GDP to go down,
so that we live a bit longer/sadder.

I don't mind, the current drop doesn't
bother me much ( so far ).
■
              .  4PStG.260878$yo4.154837@fx48.iad
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.10--6.16am.Seattle.2020
          Topanga│emailsroutdated@nomail_  LZTtG.134132$FY5.102585@fx39.iad
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.10--7.34am.Seattle.2020
      Topanga│emailsroutdated@nomail_  ezUtG.26203$7r6.19772@fx19.iad
    Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  r998cr$dhv$2@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.10--9.42am.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 2  m158 Cool; 24.3 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Aioe.ORG,  May 10 {  8:59am, 2020 }:23^(-5)  YLХბ
      Winaero Tweaker.

Sergio replied ( to Lady Topanga ):
> > I too have automatic updates turned off.
> 
> how do you turn them off ?

"Winaero Tweaker" gives you the option.
You can Google it.

> I thought you could limit it in Win10 pro,
> but not home.

Win10 Pro has different options;
Win10 Home users have other, better options.

> can you install new undernieth all your apps ?

Yes, you don't have to do a "clean" install.

If you're having lots of -serious- problems,
a clean install might be worth it,
but it'd take a lot of time/effort.

;  Remove !!LgHub and WinAmp from "startup" and 
;  run "Windows 10 November 2019 Update  .EXE".
;
;  At "Windows Update and Security -> Advanced Options"
;  turn off "Allow downloads from other PCs".


;  Take ownership of "DefaultMediaCost" -Manually-, 
;  Merge and ReBoot.
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\NetworkList\DefaultMediaCost]
; 1 - UnMetered;  2 - "metered" ( no automatic updates ).
@=dword:2
"Default"=dword:2
"WiFi"=dword:2
"Ethernet"=dword:2

; "Windows Update"
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\wuauserv]
"Start"=dword:4

; "Background Intelligent Transfer"
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\BITS]
"Start"=dword:4
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              Topanga│emailsroutdated@nomail_  hkStG.137906$Ff6.118157@fx40.iad
            Joel│joelcrump@gmail_com  1lsfbftv41giges4j5jumklgg5p56bvh5r@4ax.com
          AndrzejMatuch  4PStG.260878$yo4.154837@fx48.iad
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.10--6.16am.Seattle.2020
      Topanga│emailsroutdated@nomail_  LZTtG.134132$FY5.102585@fx39.iad
    AndrzejMatuch  iXUtG.64876$iB5.56181@fx06.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.10--9.22am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 7  m99 Cool; 42.9 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤X11, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  May 10 {  8:18am, 2020 }:38^(-4)  YLПc
      The people.

Speaking of me, AndrzejMatuch wrote:
> He's basically admitting that he's a Windows
> user with no purpose in this newsgroup.

For me, it's always been about the people, 
not the topic per se.

" I love the players.
  And you love the game. " -- Taylor Swift

"Blank Space" by Ryan Adams:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mppbCOslMvM
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              AndrzejMatuch  0OCtG.278821$mf1.258558@fx45.iad
            Topanga│emailsroutdated@nomail_  hkStG.137906$Ff6.118157@fx40.iad
          Joel│joelcrump@gmail_com  1lsfbftv41giges4j5jumklgg5p56bvh5r@4ax.com
        AndrzejMatuch  4PStG.260878$yo4.154837@fx48.iad
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.10--6.16am.Seattle.2020
    AndrzejMatuch  bbUtG.73262$mI3.45435@fx37.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.10--7.47am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 3  m92 Cool; 14.7 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤X11, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  May 10 {  7:27am, 2020 }:19^(-4)  YLЖΩ
      This is a Windows newsgroup.

Andrzej Matuch replied ( to me ):
> Wouldn't you be more comfortable in alt.comp.os.windows-10
> rather than vouching for Windows 10 
> to an audience who doesn't care about it?

"alt.comp.os.windows-10" has less-interesting people.

Most Everything that runs on Linux also runs on Windows;
therefore, this is a Windows newsgroup.
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              AndrzejMatuch  0OCtG.278821$mf1.258558@fx45.iad
            Topanga│emailsroutdated@nomail_  hkStG.137906$Ff6.118157@fx40.iad
          Joel│joelcrump@gmail_com  1lsfbftv41giges4j5jumklgg5p56bvh5r@4ax.com
        AndrzejMatuch  4PStG.260878$yo4.154837@fx48.iad
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.10--6.16am.Seattle.2020
    Topanga│emailsroutdated@nomail_  LZTtG.134132$FY5.102585@fx39.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.10--7.34am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 8  m58 Shifty; 9.3 Minutes, 40tude, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  May 10 {  7:13am, 2020 }:  ^(-4)  YLДy
      Installing a "major update"...

Topanga replied ( to me ):
> > I'm running Windows 10 Home, 1909,
> > installed January 20th, 2020.
> > 
> > When a new version of Windows comes out,
> > I install it; no "updates".
> 
> ??  I don't get it.
> Translation please.

1909 ("November 2019 Major Update")
is the version I'm currently running;
before that it was 1903 ( May 2019 Major Update ).

The latest is Version 2004 ( May 2020 Major Update ).

Installing a "major update" is similar to 
reinstalling Windows;
it doesn't have to be a "clean" install.

"automatic updates" are turned off;
I never use them.
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              HughHuntzinger  11b06e78-2c05-45a8-8da8-957f6d0b897e@googlegroups.com
            MrChrisV  o358bfpk7g76c13r62qngpegourke3md3s@4ax.com
          гость│ghost@mouse-potato_com  r91iqv$u45$1@dont-email.me
        FabianRussell  r91k9l01k6g@news4.newsguy.com
      DFS  AAHtG.55430$1y4.52271@fx23.iad
    Topanga│emailsroutdated@nomail_  MkTtG.277772$Xk.271854@fx46.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.10--7.19am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 2  m50 Shifty; 18.8 Minutes, 40tude, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  May 10 {  6:29am, 2020 }:17^(-4)  YLϼы
      iPhone users sacrifice a lot for portability.

Lady Topanga replied ( to DFS ):
> > Mac users == smartest
> 
> I would agree with that.  Surveys show that
> Mac / Apple users tend to have
> more higher education than other users.

iPhone users sacrifice a lot for portability;
it's a nice fashion accessory, but it's not 
where the -real- work gets done.

On the desktop, Mac Pros have always been a joke;
big-time content experts don't use them.

The Adobe suite works fine on Windows;
no need for a Mac.
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              гость│ghost@mouse-potato_com  r929rj$dku$2@dont-email.me
            AndrzejMatuch  M%1tG.126125$2e3.58054@fx35.iad
          DFS  Qb2tG.273098$Xk.117489@fx46.iad
        AndrzejMatuch  zg2tG.39372$th5.30279@fx14.iad
      DFS  jcItG.278875$mf1.278308@fx45.iad
    Topanga│emailsroutdated@nomail_  o7TtG.260879$yo4.54233@fx48.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.10--7.06am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╳ 4  m50 Shifty; 33.1 Minutes, 40tude, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  May 10 {  6:15am, 2020 }: 1^(-4)  YLϺΖ
      The author of an app has a lot of power in his hands.

Topanga wrote:
> The real fools are the hard working programmers 
> who allow the mega corporations to get rich off 
> of their programs.

The author of an app has a lot of power in his hands,
power which would be diminished by catering to others.

For example, I wrote something similar to a DOS shell
that uses compiled C++, instead of interpreted DOS commands.

And it has PostScript like graphics,
( Direct2D->CreatePathGeometry(), C++ ).
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              Topanga│emailsroutdated@nomail_  lJxtG.45643$g24.23071@fx30.iad
            RonB│ronb02NOSPAM@gmail_com  r96i6r$7kj$4@dont-email.me
          Topanga│emailsroutdated@nomail_  npAtG.260516$p44.149240@fx05.iad
        FabianRussell  r96kgb02fsh@news4.newsguy.com
      AndrzejMatuch  UPCtG.278822$mf1.248456@fx45.iad
    Topanga│emailsroutdated@nomail_  3lStG.88696$gN7.66615@fx03.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.10--6.37am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 5 m43 Shifty; 34 Minutes, 40tude, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  May 10 {  5:21am, 2020 }:19^(-4)  YLϱΩ
      Pen-On-Paper.

Andrzej Matuch replied ( to Fabian Russell ):
> > > Only in the anachronistic universe of Microshit Winblows
> > > is the moribund concept of printing kept on life support
> > 
> > OK, that has to be some of the dumbest arguments ever.

I print constantly.

Multi-Party contracts are printed, 
Pen-On-Paper modified/signed, and 
then scanned into a .PDF file.

Lady Topanga replied:
> Feebian has to be one of the best reverse trolls
> to ever grace COLA.  He's brilliant !

Yes but he keeps omitting the <Sarcasm> tag.

More Sarcasm:
" What would it be like if you stopped thinking for yourself
  and believed everything the media tells you ? ":
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcUAG6t5aN8
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              RonB│ronb02NOSPAM@gmail_com  r96icq$7kj$5@dont-email.me
            Topanga│emailsroutdated@nomail_  0wAtG.41402$kM7.16807@fx16.iad
          AndrzejMatuch  0OCtG.278821$mf1.258558@fx45.iad
        Topanga│emailsroutdated@nomail_  hkStG.137906$Ff6.118157@fx40.iad
      Joel│joelcrump@gmail_com  1lsfbftv41giges4j5jumklgg5p56bvh5r@4ax.com
    AndrzejMatuch  4PStG.260878$yo4.154837@fx48.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.10--6.16am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m85 Cool; 2 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤X11, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  May 10 {  5:53am, 2020 }:20^(-4)  YL϶ю
      If you can't drive, use Uber.

Andrzej Matuch replied ( to Joel ):
> > If you prefer Win10, I wish you the best of 
> > luck with its untested updates.
> 
> Same here. I've grown tired of being
> a crash test dummy for the company.

If you can't drive, use Uber;
leave it to the professionals, like me.

I'm running Windows 10 Home, 1909,
installed January 20th, 2020.

When a new version of Windows comes out,
I install it; no "updates".
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.
Like billionaire philanthropists,
"homeless lunatics" seek to escape 
the plantation: rent inflation, slavery.

Society rewards the former, 
and punishes the latter.

"Hookers" are supposed to die;
the government ensures it.
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              MrChrisV  8sh3bf1bd978inuv9nmn5ua2un1ebb74pb@4ax.com
            HughHuntzinger  15a341af-8cd2-4fdc-8f73-8bcc4bd215dc@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.5--5.38pm.Seattle.2020
        HughHuntzinger  8c6f4503-268c-443b-9d4d-6cf56d7076e7@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.6--5.14am.Seattle.2020
    Kensi  r8vspi$up1$3@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.7--1.18am.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    -Dropped, 5.3 Hours, NewsTap➤iPad, Aioe.ORG,  May  6 {  7:46pm, 2020 }: 4^(-4)  YJʓϲ
      You are the kook you see.

Kensi replied ( to me ):
> > Making bizarre assumptions about the unknown,
> > such as the existence of a multi-verse,
> > is thrilling, and it $sells$ ( in Hollywood ),
> > but -True- scientists make no such conjectures;
> > they "shut up and calculate".
> 
> The multi-verse is right there in the math. 

You've taken an unknown and inserted your 
favorite God in there for fun and profit.

In the process, you've totally rejected 
thermodynamics and general relativity.

Every crackpot since the beginning of time
has done what you did; 
you must be so proud of yourself.

Everywhere you look, you see nothing but "kooks";
because you are the kook you see.
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        SamWormley  caaae008-885c-4ce3-98bf-b377a5d4282b@googlegroups.com
      JimPennino  4n0bog-h8o.ln1@mail.specsol.com
    Zeb_Dee│zebedee@tiscali_co_uk  r8uo6n$19j7$2@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.6--10.10am.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m24 Cool; 40.7 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤X11, Aioe.ORG,  May  6 {  9:21am, 2020 }:45^(1)  YJhϐ
      Entropy will eventually kill the Earth.

With or without humanity,
entropy will eventually kill the Earth,
the solar system, and The Universe.

Suppose Michael Moore got his way 
( so the world's GDP dropped each year );
humanity would just live longer/sadder.

Woody Allen wrote:
> You can live to be a hundred if you give up 
> all the things that make you want to live 
> to be a hundred.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.5--5.38pm.Seattle.2020
            HughHuntzinger  8c6f4503-268c-443b-9d4d-6cf56d7076e7@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.6--5.14am.Seattle.2020
        HughHuntzinger  b15d714b-8fe9-4bab-ab0b-b1a44c37c23a@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.6--6.35am.Seattle.2020
    HughHuntzinger  ef7ec8aa-6bc6-43ea-a648-9309dcaa2343@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.6--9.58am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m157 Dropped; 26.1 Minutes, GoogleG, 173.70.116.6,  May  6 {  8:27am, 2020 }: 6^(PDT)  YJYΛ
      Quarantining the general population.

Up until recently, quarantining 
the general population was unheard of.

What a coincidence that this happens right
when closing borders became super-popular
and the CCP suddenly started worrying about 
how their fertility rate will eventually
eliminate the Han race.

The "Infection Fatality Rate" (IFR)
estimates the fatality rate of 
all* infected.  [ *: detected or not ]

The common flu has an IFR of .02 to .05 %;
in Iceland, Covid-19 has an IFR of .3%,
(foolishly) -assuming- co-morbidity 
( and politics ) haven't biased the data.

As I recall, you, Hugh, 
were posting much larger IFR ratios.
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              MrChrisV  8sh3bf1bd978inuv9nmn5ua2un1ebb74pb@4ax.com
            HughHuntzinger  15a341af-8cd2-4fdc-8f73-8bcc4bd215dc@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.5--5.38pm.Seattle.2020
        HughHuntzinger  8c6f4503-268c-443b-9d4d-6cf56d7076e7@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.6--5.14am.Seattle.2020
    HughHuntzinger  b15d714b-8fe9-4bab-ab0b-b1a44c37c23a@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.6--6.35am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m156 Dropped; 25.7 Minutes, GoogleG, 129.139.172.100,  May  6 {  5:48am, 2020 }:30^(PDT)  YJ8U
      Are you getting a cut of the hysteria ?

All of the Covid-19 data you've shown here
had a selection bias worse than that of
the emergency rooms and Iceland, Hugh.

Unless you're trying to close borders
( due to OverProduction and under consumption ) and/or
make babies ( the fertility rate is low&falling )
you quarantine the sick ( in {floating} nursing homes ),
-not- the general population.

What's your motivation, Hugh ?

Are you getting a cut of the hysteria ?

Hugh Huntzinger replied ( to me ):
> > I'm -extremely- familiar with
> > the MainScream media and HealthScare profiteers.
> 
> And yet you're unfamiliar with independent entities
> who are fact-checking them; your education is thus
> grossly delinquent in this day & age.  

So says you, in your biased opinion.

> > Iceland has better data;
> > it's not perfect, just better.
> 
> I've not specifically reviewed Iceland's reports.
> But unless they've done a *randomized* trial, 
> an extrapolation from their hospital cases will
> also be invalid for the same self-selection reason.

No such bias in their data.

They issued an open invitation to 10,797 persons and
sent random invitations to 2283 persons.
6% of the population was screened.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2006100
 
> > Quarantine "nursing homes" ( cruise ships ),
> > not the general population.
> 
> Problem is that said quarantine needs to also encompass
> everyone who comes in contact with the nursing home
> residents, which means ALL staff, and everyone that
> each of those staffmembers comes into contact with.

You don't quarantine healthy people;
that's not how it works.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.5--9.23am.Seattle.2020
            Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  6j53bf1rnoqdh5vpkvvhga9hmf7ap7auis@4ax.com
          MrChrisV  8sh3bf1bd978inuv9nmn5ua2un1ebb74pb@4ax.com
        HughHuntzinger  15a341af-8cd2-4fdc-8f73-8bcc4bd215dc@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.5--5.38pm.Seattle.2020
    HughHuntzinger  8c6f4503-268c-443b-9d4d-6cf56d7076e7@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.6--5.14am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m155 Dropped; 9 Minutes, GoogleG, 129.139.172.100,  May  6 {  4:34am, 2020 }:44^(PDT)  YIჱЪ
      The Copenhagen Interpretation.

I don't know anything about "healthfeeback" or
"mediabiasfactcheck", Hugh.

On the other hand, I'm -extremely- familiar with
the MainScream media and HealthScare profiteers.

Follow the money, if you can.

  --  There's "lies".
  --  Then there's "damn lies".
  --  Then "statistics" ( for money $$ ).

Making bizarre assumptions about the unknown,
such as the existence of a multi-verse,
is thrilling, and it $sells$ ( in Hollywood ),
but it's not my cup of tea.

-True- scientists make no such conjectures;
they "shut up and calculate" --
"The Copenhagen Interpretation".

As poor as it may be,
emergency rooms have -better- data.

Iceland's data came to the same conclusion:
Covid-19 is a weak flu, nothing more.

Again, Iceland has better data;
it's not perfect, just better.

Quarantine "nursing homes" ( cruise ships ),
not the general population.
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              HughHuntzinger  ff5f4a44-a093-4990-829b-4e927ce4eb7d@googlegroups.com
            TheRealSteve  d57a0a8e-6ea0-4e20-8861-6192d0836912@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.5--9.23am.Seattle.2020
        Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  6j53bf1rnoqdh5vpkvvhga9hmf7ap7auis@4ax.com
      MrChrisV  8sh3bf1bd978inuv9nmn5ua2un1ebb74pb@4ax.com
    HughHuntzinger  15a341af-8cd2-4fdc-8f73-8bcc4bd215dc@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.5--5.38pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m153 Dropped; 4 Hours, GoogleG, 129.139.170.193,  May  5 {  1:11pm, 2020 }:23^(PDT)  YIβბ
      What happens in nursing homes stays in nursing homes.

Health Scare profiteers say:

> Doctors extrapolated the number of infections
> in the general population from the number of
> Covid-19 positive cases detected in emergency
> room patients, thereby overestimating infection numbers.
> 
> This led them to underestimate COVID-19 mortality.

Never in my life have I seen such crappy statistics
as those coming from the MainScream media and you,
Hugh Huntzinger.  You should be ashamed of yourself.

As we've recently learned, 
"cruises" are basically floating nursing homes.

What happens in nursing homes stays in nursing homes.
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              MsNadegda  r8pqb1$pqk$1@dont-email.me
            MrChrisV  jfr0bf9nqt13v0r7gh795enrko14tfesno@4ax.com
          Checkmate│More_Bull_Schiff  d4n2bf.eu3.19.13@news.alt.net
        MrChrisV  v0n2bflnvd9ocrbhspmemq4ujn4eqs73lv@4ax.com
      HughHuntzinger  ff5f4a44-a093-4990-829b-4e927ce4eb7d@googlegroups.com
    TheRealSteve  d57a0a8e-6ea0-4e20-8861-6192d0836912@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.5--9.23am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m27 Shifty; 45.4 Minutes, GoogleG,  May  5 {  8:  am, 2020 }:22^(PDT)  YIʖM
      Floating Nursing Homes.

> 'follow the money'

OverProduction is a problem these days.

Milk is being dumped, 
oil is selling for -40 $/barrel, etc.

The only thing we don't OverProduce is:
long-term care for homeless lunatics.

Honestly, I think we want them to die
for their "sins", along with hookers;
with full intent, we write laws that 
put them in harm's way.

First China, then the rest of the world,
used a mild flu (Covid-19) as an excuse
to close borders and spawn babies.

Interesting side-effects:

  -- An increased divorce rate.
     Google: Covid-19 divorce

  -- A closer look at "cruises"
     ( floating nursing homes ).
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.
It's a Brave New World; speaking of which, 
I'm watching the last episode of Westworld.
2 years from now, we'll get another 8 episodes.

Randomness is ignorance;
nothing more, nothing less.

The future is just as fixed as the past;
but it's (partially) unknowable;
we're programmed to consume a niche.

With or without us, entropy marches forward;
from infinitely hot/dense 
to infinitely cold/sparse.

Suppose Michael Moore got his way 
( so the world's GDP dropped each year );
humanity would just live longer/sadder.

Woody Allen wrote:
> You can live to be a hundred if you give up 
> all the things that make you want to live 
> to be a hundred.
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Jeff-Relf.Me@May.3--7.19pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
      Asset prices will fall dramatically.

Instead of printing money to 
bailout the (morally) bankrupt,
(lazy) governments should've provided 
long-term care for homeless lunatics.

There's a teeter totter:

  -- Asset prices are on one side. 
  -- Consumer prices are on the other.

Currently, asset prices are up in the air;
consumer prices are at the bottom.
But that's about to switch.

Landlords are about to sell because (lazy) 
governments won't kick out bad tenants
( so the good tenants had to leave ).

As a result, buildings will be shuttered and
the price of rent will go up, 
pushing up the CPI,
forcing interest rates up.

Asset prices will fall dramatically.
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            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.1--1.08pm.Seattle.2020
          Kensi  r8ivb9$e64$1@gioia.aioe.org
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.2--6.49am.Seattle.2020
      Kensi  r8lmti$1a1u$3@gioia.aioe.org
    Checkmate│More_Bull_Schiff  d4igml.d01.19.82@news.alt.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.3--9.18am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 3  m8 Cool; 2.2 Hours, MicroPlanet, Alt.NET,  May  3 {   :17am, 2020 }: 1^(-7)  YGцл
      Do I have a right shelter with you ?

Kensi replied ( to me ):
> > > How do you justify forcing out better tenants
> > > in favor of worse ones?
> > 
> > Every human being has the right to shelter.

They don't have a right to shelter with me, 
if I don't want them ( no matter why ).

Do I have a right shelter with you, Kensi ?

Checkmate replied ( to Kensi ):
> > How then can you decide that some are
> > "better" tenants or "worse" ones?
> 
> The "better" ones are the ones who pay their rent,
> respect the property, and don't cause problems.

"No Cause Eviction", like no-fault divorce,
means I don't have to tell anyone "why";
I just don't want them with me.

Anything else is cruel and inhumane.

> Unfortunately, people who have to rent usually
> lack those qualities or they wouldn't be renters
> in the first place.

Stop paying your taxes for awhile,
and/or get divorced,
then you'll see who the real "homeowner" is.

Ignoring asset inflation, since 2005,
it's cheaper to rent.

The asset inflation is/was designed to hide
morally-bankrupt scions.

> I know this from my own past experiences with
> tenants... they're usually losers.

Then kick them out, and get new ones;
if the law blocks you, because it's 
too lazy to lift a finger, sell the house.

Instead of printing money to support the morally bankrupt,
use it to provide long-term care for homeless lunatics.
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"Soul Surfer" replied ( to me ):
> > "no-cause eviction" is a basic human right.
> 
> I understand but disagree.

If you lived in Seattle, and I rented from you,
I could make your life a living hεll, and
I there'd be nothing you could do about it;
no judge, no cop, would help you.

> > Why is homelessness worse now than ever before ?
> > Do they deserve to die ?
> > How will "free" money solve this problem ?

Ignorance is far from bliss.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.2--6.49am.Seattle.2020
            axolotl│axolotlkrankman@gmail_  r8jtu6$164$5@dont-email.me
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.2--7.11am.Seattle.2020
        axolotl│axolotlkrankman@gmail_  r8k0vq$164$7@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.2--8.23am.Seattle.2020
    axolotl│axolotlkrankman@gmail_  r8k41l$1u6$4@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.2--8.52am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 3  m15 Shifty; 5.1 Minutes, Pan, Eternal-September.ORG,  May  2 {  8:36am, 2020 }:21  YGʜL
      SubThreads

"axolotl" replied ( to me ):
> > Why does Seattle force-out better tenants 
> > in favor of worse ones, stupidity ?
> 
> Why do you keep changing the subject line ?

"Usenet Best Practice", "3.2.1.1." [SubThreads]:

   The Subject of the followup is, by default, taken from that of the
   precursor, but users are able to override that default; indeed they
   are to be encouraged to do so whenever appropriate in order to avoid
   long threads which have wandered far from the topic with which they
   originated, but which still adhere to the original Subject.

> Is this some kind of twisted feature of your newsreader?
> User-Agent: Jeff-Relf.Me/X.HTM

No, it's done by hand.

"3.1.1.4.  Subject":

   Subject headers are for humans to read, 
   and the most that user agents should do is 
   to filter them as directed by their human readers.

Apparently, your newsreader doesn't conform 
to these guidelines, above.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.1--1.08pm.Seattle.2020
            Kensi  r8ivb9$e64$1@gioia.aioe.org
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.2--6.49am.Seattle.2020
        axolotl│axolotlkrankman@gmail_  r8jtu6$164$5@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.2--7.11am.Seattle.2020
    axolotl│axolotlkrankman@gmail_  r8k0vq$164$7@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.2--8.23am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m12 Shifty; 4.4 Minutes, Pan, Eternal-September.ORG,  May  2 {  7:44am, 2020 }:10  YGʓʂ
      Why does Seattle force-out better tenants ?

"axolotl", many homeless lunatics need care too,
not just housing -- it's very expensive;
I'd rather money go there than to bankrupt companies.

Why does Seattle force-out better tenants 
in favor of worse ones ?

Apparently, it's just plain stupidity.
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          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.1--1.08pm.Seattle.2020
        Kensi  r8ivb9$e64$1@gioia.aioe.org
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.2--6.49am.Seattle.2020
    axolotl│axolotlkrankman@gmail_  r8jtu6$164$5@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.2--7.11am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m9 Shifty; 3 Minutes, Pan, Eternal-September.ORG,  May  2 {  6:52am, 2020 }: 6  YGʊϴ
      Would you make them sing "God bless America" as they burn ?

"axolotl" replied ( to me ):
> > How do you justify forcing out better 
> > tenants in favor of worse ones ?
> 
> Jewish lightning [arson]. 

Why are "Hoovervilles" ( tent cities )
worse now than they've ever been ?

You'd burn them down,  and/or
ship them to concentration camps,
to be disposed of ?!

Would you make them sing "God bless America" as they burn ?
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      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.1--1.08pm.Seattle.2020
    Kensi  r8ivb9$e64$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.2--6.49am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    --Robot, 8.5 Hours, NewsTap➤iPad, Aioe.ORG,  May  1 { 10: 9pm, 2020 }:50^(-4)  YGpϖ
      How do you justify forcing out better tenants ?

Kensi replied ( to me ):
> > No-Fault Evictions are a basic human right,
> > same as no-fault divorce;
> > and I say this as a staunch tenant-advocate
> > ( better tenants are forced out, and suffer ).
> 
> Shelter is a basic human right, which means
> no-fault evictions can't be, you dipshit.

Imagine being surrounded by lunatic squatters,
laughing at you as you impishly object to 
their property damage, threats and theft.

When you call the police, 
they join in the fun, laughing at you.

How do you justify forcing out better tenants 
in favor of worse ones ?
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What a crazy life you've lived, Winston.

Neither South Africa nor China favors white people.

Women are so expensive, it boggles the mind;
and, in the end, they leave you with little 
more than a (bad) memory and a huge debt.

This reason, people aren't having kids anymore.
■
"Soul Surfer" wrote
> My tenants have been faithful payers for years

That hasn't been her experience, now has it ?!

Would you deny people the right to no-fault divorce
just because you don't want a divorce yourself ?

Likewise, "no-cause eviction" a basic human right.

Why is homelessness worse now than ever before ?
Do they deserve to die ?
How will "free" money solve this problem ?
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Jeff-Relf.Me@May.1--1.08pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
      No-Fault Evictions are a basic human right.

No-Fault Evictions are a basic human right,
same as no-fault divorce;
and I say this as a staunch tenant-advocate
( better tenants are forced out, and suffer ).

Where are China's homeless ?
"Re-Education" camps ?

Honestly, I believe society wants 
certain "sinners" to die for their "sins";
hookers, for example, are placed in harm's way
-- Canadian lawmakers blatantly admit it.

I'm just a property manager; still,
I feel the same as Fadela Hussein; see:
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0Vwerb2JvE

I can't stand seeing the behavior 
and attitudes of certain tenants/squatters;
it's demoralizing, stressful, depressing.

Perhaps she'll sell some of her properties,
and the Fed will print enough money to stop 
housing prices from falling, like 2008.

But that's just killing the pain,
not solving the problem.

One day, our addiction to "free" money 
must come to an end.
■
              Mitchell_Holman│noemail  XnsABADD3D485A65noemailattnet@216.166.97.131
            Skeeter│Scoot@invalid_invalid  3jqhafd506ht96ijb7u6lqrqkqcdhos207@4ax.com
          Rudy_Canoza│cap@hendrie_con  K07qG.44307$n_5.22384@fx09.iad
        Skeeter│Scoot@invalid_invalid  j9vhafpcnmnh33ck1ubb68g81g416arh01@4ax.com
      ScottDoty  hgt0dvF232mU1@mid.individual.net
    Checkmate│More_Bull_Schiff  d48hl9.ajo.17.7@news.alt.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.1--10.48am.Seattle.2020
  Alt.Atheism, Alt.Fan.Rush-Limbaugh, Alt.Checkmate, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 8  m27 Cool; 2.2 Days, MicroPlanet, Alt.NET,  Apr 29 {  5:32am, 2020 }: 3^(-7)  YEɽɻ
      #metoo can't be applied to Joe Biden.

#metoo can't be applied to Joe Biden.

Democrat presidents are free to stick cigars
in the vaginas of young interns.
■
If you had 6 million $, living single, 
and your health was perfect, long-term,
you could buy a 3 million $ house and use 
the rest of the money to pay taxes, 
insurance, maintenance, utilities, etc.

If your wife successfully sued you, 
and/or she had a huge medical expense,
you're back to square one ( or worse ).

If your (mental) health is good,
you've won the game -- no matter 
how much money you might have.

For this reason, you're better off 
investing in yourself, not the stock market,
nor the real estate market.
■
      Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  r8ddh7$1l88$1@gioia.aioe.org
    Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  hgv55aFgo5kU1@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.30--2.10pm.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics
    ╳ m1 Top; 15.6 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Individual.NET,  Apr 29 { 10:14pm, 2020 }:17^(10)  YEвʉ
      With or without us, entropy marches forward.

Re: Killing dogs-n-cats, instead of birds-n-rats.

With or without us, entropy marches forward;
from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse.

Suppose Michael Moore got his way,
so the world's GDP dropped each year;
humanity would just live longer/sadder.

" You can live to be a hundred if you give up 
  all the things that make you want to live 
  to be a hundred. " -- Woody Allen.
■
Seattle puts lunatic homeless people 
before better citizens; right or wrong,
there's nothing I can do about it.

Often, my best "option" is to be nice 
to those inflicting pain on me.

Inside my room, all is well,
I can do what I want.
■
Covid-19 is a mild flu virus.

Hoping to increase the population,
China extended the New Year;
but it backfired, the divorce rate went up.
■
America is less stressful because
failure is a (decent) option.
■
I love Seattle's cloudy skies;
Nanning is just too hot.

For those of us with food stamps,
grocery store food is 100 % free;
"Instant Pot" beans are wonderful.

Meat is plentiful, I often pay 1$/pound 
for chicken, pork is 2 or 3$/pound.
Barbecue sauce beats the Chinese alternative.

My top-quality computer parts come from Korea,
Taiwan, United States and Europe, not China.

China has neither YouTube nor Wikipedia;
which is beyond insane/ridiculous.

America has HBO's Westworld;
China could never produce such programming.
■
    RonB│ronb02NOSPAM@gmail_com  r7tu8i$l5p$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.25--4.46am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 2  m93 Cool; 1.2 Days, slrn➤Linux, Eternal-September.ORG,  Apr 23 { 10:42pm, 2020 }:42  YAзg
      No-Fault Evictions are a basic human right.

The world needs higher interest rates,
and higher risk premiums.

Let the bankruptcies come.
Let the tent cities overflow.

No-Fault Evictions are a basic human right,
same as no-fault divorce.
   ....
Only (mental) health matters;
nothing else compares.

Meth or religion,
either way you get a purpose,
a painkiller,
to set your head "straight".

Fix this problem, long term,
and homelessness and wealth inequality
would be a walk in the park,
no problem at all.
   ....
I have deep respect for many church people;
but, if you don't know that "God is nature",
you are blind to many amazing realities
and "unbearable" facts.
■
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.24--11.24am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
      Babies.

When your immune system is weak,
you get every virus, including Covid-19;
then, if you get hit by a car and die,
it's reported as a Covid-19 death.

Why does Iceland report 0 recoveries ?
If you believe the data,
no one ever recovers.

The CCP started this whole thing to extend
the Chinese new year, in the hopes of
getting more babies -- but it backfired;
it increased the divorce rate.
■
        BranimirMaksimovic  chsmG.32796$fD4.8997@fx09.am4
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.17--6.51pm.Seattle.2020
    BranimirMaksimovic  b8tmG.99893$8qv1.80210@fx12.am4
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.17--7.59pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m122 Cool; 52.3 Minutes, slrn➤Linux, HighWinds➤Usenet-News.NET,  Apr 17 {  6:57pm, 2020 }:27  Y6Бθ
      Covid19 isn't the only piece on the board.

Branimir Maksimovic replied ( to me ):
> > Why haven't any of Serbia's 5318
> > Covid19 cases recovered yet ?
> 
> Perhaps some recovered, 
> but they are not reported ?

That's "random",
as we say here, in Microsoft land.

> > What other viruses do they have ?
> 
> We have all viruses you have...

No, what other viruses do those 5318 people have,
due to a weakened immune system,
brought on by stress and/or old age ?

Covid19 isn't the only piece on the board.

Singling out the covid19 virus,
and ignoring everything else,
would be like a chess player who 
only focuses on the Queen,
no matter if she's in play or not.
■
    BranimirMaksimovic  chsmG.32796$fD4.8997@fx09.am4
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.17--6.51pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m121 Cool; 43.6 Minutes, slrn➤Linux, HighWinds➤Usenet-News.NET,  Apr 17 {  5:58pm, 2020 }:48  Y6ϷЮ
      Serbia's 5318 covid19 cases.

Why haven't any of Serbia's 5318 covid19 cases recovered
yet and what other viruses do they have ?
■
        Takuya_Saitoh│taka0038@gmail_  8dd387f7-d4f4-4232-ae0d-fc7744a07c35@googlegroups.com
      DFS  9kEkG.1150270$K87.994483@fx46.iad
    Takuya_Saitoh│taka0038@gmail_  551010a2-5314-412f-b4f2-7a2679b5707b@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.17--9.15am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 3  m9 Top; 3.6 Hours, GoogleG, 185.220.100.253,  Apr 17 {  5:29am, 2020 }:41^(PDT)  Y6ɼუ
      SCAMDEMIC: COVID-19.

Takuya Saitoh asked:
> PANDEMIC --- or --- SCAMDEMIC ..what say you?

SCAMDEMIC.

The CCP thought extending the Chinese new year
would produce more babies;
instead, it increased the divorce rate.
■
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.17--8.52am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
      The underlying problem is mental health.

Long-Term care is more expensive than heroin;
heroin is more expensive than religion.

Negative interest rates, negative risk premiums, 
and helicopter money are pain relievers.

When your immune system is weak,
you get all kinds of viruses,
a wide variety, not just COVID-19.

The underlying problem is mental health,
homelessness, and street drugs.
■
        mGhost│mGhost@mouse-potato_com  r7a6t0$isp$1@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.16--3.00pm.Seattle.2020
    mGhost│mGhost@mouse-potato_com  r7alhj$n3k$2@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.16--3.26pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 2  m278 Mad; 1.2 Minutes, slrn➤Linux, Eternal-September.ORG,  Apr 16 {  3:17pm, 2020 }:23  Y5ფბ
      Focusing on -all- diseases, not just COVID-19.

Again, People with weakened immune systems
contract numerous viruses,
one of which happens to be COVID-19.

The solution is:  Better long-term care,
focusing on -all- diseases, not just COVID-19.

Focusing on Trump, instead,
will just get him elected again.
■
    mGhost│mGhost@mouse-potato_com  r7a6t0$isp$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.16--3.00pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m276 Mad; 3.6 Hours, slrn➤Linux, Eternal-September.ORG,  Apr 16 { 11: 7am, 2020 }:28  Y5лɘ
      How does hating Trump help ?

People with weakened immune systems
contract COVID-19 ( and everything else ).

How does hating Trump help ?
■
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.15--2.19pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
      Consumers are sick.

Consumers are sick.
Hence deflation, cheap gold.

Long-Term Care involves much more than a vaccine
from Bill Gates and/or a new car loan from the Fed.
■
              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.15--9.23am.Seattle.2020
            mGhost│mGhost@mouse-potato_com  r77jpc$fkk$6@dont-email.me
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.15--0.33pm.Seattle.2020
        !@!_invalid(Ï  1oox57r.e4wquj1palqvoN%!@!.invalid
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.15--1.18pm.Seattle.2020
    !@!_invalid(Ï  1oox7r4.7wnvt6drdkkwN%!@!.invalid
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.15--1.51pm.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, News.Software.Readers, Alt.Free.Newsserversseas
    ╱ 1  m2 Shifty; 8.2 Minutes, MacSOUP➤Mac, Eternal-September.ORG,  Apr 15 {  1:38pm, 2020 }:47^(1)  Y5ɖʧ
      Don't be jealous of Bill Gates or me.

Something mentioned:
> "your" ego and delusion of superiority.

Who are you talking to, yourself ?

Keep repeating that;
hopefully, you'll change one day.
■
              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.15--9.37am.Seattle.2020
            MrChrisV  l7he9f5gl5g72h6118j9c7akiefqjtkvh9@4ax.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.15--11.09am.Seattle.2020
        MrChrisV  qlje9fpl7t1n2ssq4f6cfn36i4tns2ogcu@4ax.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.15--0.00pm.Seattle.2020
    MrChrisV  00ne9fh8u21n7kqkbcg9nfiqfb7kofhcfh@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.15--1.41pm.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, News.Software.Readers
    ╱ 1  m46 Dropped; 45.5 Minutes, F_Agent, HighWinds➤Fastusenet.ORG,  Apr 15 {   :17pm, 2020 }:12^(-5)  Y5Ⱦц
      MrChrisV is the only one marching in step.

MrChrisV thinks I:
> mistakenly typed a [ typographic apostrophe ], 
> when I should have typed [ a straight apostrophe ].

"it’s" is more correct then "it's".

The straight apostrophe, ' (U+0027 APOSTROPHE) is ambiguous,
as it could also be an open quotation mark, or a prime symbol;
it only exists to save space on the keyboard.

’, U+2019, is a "typographic apostrophe"; see:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostrophe#Typographic_form

> > Your inability to handle it doesn't make them bad people.
> 
> No, it makes them kO0ky.     8)

You're the only one who's marching in step.
■
              Lewis│g_kreme@gmail_com_  slrnr9clc1.11e7.g.kreme@ProMini.lan
            mGhost│mGhost@mouse-potato_com  r75sg1$9i9$3@dont-email.me
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.15--9.23am.Seattle.2020
        mGhost│mGhost@mouse-potato_com  r77jpc$fkk$6@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.15--0.33pm.Seattle.2020
    !@!_invalid(Ï  1oox57r.e4wquj1palqvoN%!@!.invalid
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.15--1.18pm.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, News.Software.Readers, Alt.Free.Newsserversseas
    ╱ 1  m1 Shifty; 23.7 Minutes, MacSOUP➤Mac, Eternal-September.ORG,  Apr 15 {   :38pm, 2020 }:56^(1)  Y5ɄΑ
      Don't be jealous of Bill Gates or me.

Something asked me:
> with a brain the size of yours, how do you 
> manage to get your head through the door ?  

Bill Gates is focused on the (ubiquitous) virus,
because that's the easiest thing to do;
I'm focused on the Hoovervilles,
the mentally ill drug abusers who need long-term care.

But don't be jealous of Bill or me, 
we've both got one foot in the grave.
■
              .  r757v1$1bq5$2@gioia.aioe.org
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.14--2.32pm.Seattle.2020
          Lewis│g_kreme@gmail_com_  slrnr9clc1.11e7.g.kreme@ProMini.lan
        mGhost│mGhost@mouse-potato_com  r75sg1$9i9$3@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.15--9.23am.Seattle.2020
    mGhost│mGhost@mouse-potato_com  r77jpc$fkk$6@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.15--0.33pm.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, News.Software.Readers, Alt.Free.Newsserversseas
    ╱ 11  m261 Mad; 21.3 Minutes, slrn➤Linux, Eternal-September.ORG,  Apr 15 { 11:29am, 2020 }:    Y5ȶк
      99.999 % of people can't configure Thunderbird properly.

mGhost replied ( to me ):
> > > > > Mozilla Thunderbird is the gold standard for newsreaders;
> > > > > but 99.999 % of people can't configure it properly.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Most people can't write the CSS, nor the JavaScript,
> > > > > required to make it super nice.
> 
> Does the filtering in Thunderbird depend on marking posts
> as read in your configuration ? 

Google: Thunderbird filters

The email stuff works for posts as well,
as they are ultra similar.

FiltaQuilla uses regular expressions.

Write the proper JavaScript extension,
maybe toss in some CSS,
and you can make it do shit you've never dreamed of.

But this is far beyond "Joe SixPack", of course.

> > I wrote my own newsreader;
> > so I don't need Thunderbird.
> 
> Would you be so kind as to show a screen shot of your
> threaded viewer and composition interface ? 

My posts to Usenet ( since Feb 2012 ):
  http://Jeff-Relf.Me/Posts.TXT

Open it in Visual Studio 2019 "Community" (free) Addition,
with (C#) "Visual Commander" macros/extensions,
and you're ready to read and/or compose new messages.

gShift Left Click "deletes" a post, 
moving it to the clipboard,
ready for sending ( using a button on my newsreader ).
http://Jeff-Relf.Me/MouseKeyboardLayout.PNG
http://Jeff-Relf.Me/X.HTM
http://Jeff-Relf.Me/Macros.HTM

But, surely, it wouldn't work for anyone but me;
no one else could learn the details,
including the complex C++ code.
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              MichaelMoroney  r77b68$7si$1@pcls7.std.com
            MrChrisV  43de9fhfm1i5po6i8h1ljga08pp3qe81rt@4ax.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.15--9.37am.Seattle.2020
        MrChrisV  l7he9f5gl5g72h6118j9c7akiefqjtkvh9@4ax.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.15--11.09am.Seattle.2020
    MrChrisV  qlje9fpl7t1n2ssq4f6cfn36i4tns2ogcu@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.15--0.00pm.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, News.Software.Readers
    ╱ 1  m207 Dropped; 22.9 Minutes, F_Agent, HighWinds➤Fastusenet.ORG,  Apr 15 { 11:27am, 2020 }:22^(-5)  Y5ȶγ
      Some people prefer separate opening and closing quote marks.

MrChrisV asked:
> what's the point of posting E2 80 99 ( UTF-8 ) 
> when 0x27 (hex) does the job ?

Some people prefer separate opening and closing quote marks.
Your inability to handle it doesn't make them bad people.
■
              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.14--2.32pm.Seattle.2020
            MrChrisV  ustd9f1nl14g08s4r93fqfl8t6ogfk9vmb@4ax.com
          MichaelMoroney  r77b68$7si$1@pcls7.std.com
        MrChrisV  43de9fhfm1i5po6i8h1ljga08pp3qe81rt@4ax.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.15--9.37am.Seattle.2020
    MrChrisV  l7he9f5gl5g72h6118j9c7akiefqjtkvh9@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.15--11.09am.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, News.Software.Readers
    ╱ 1  m206 Dropped; 22.8 Minutes, F_Agent, HighWinds➤Fastusenet.ORG,  Apr 15 { 10:38am, 2020 }:15^(-5)  Y5uʇ
      Each post tells you what CharSet to use.

Why do you object to font mixing-n-matching, MrChrisV ?

Each post tells you what CharSet to use;
the appropriate CharSet ( UTF-8, Western or Japanese )
is -not- a newsreader setting.

Forte agent got it wrong; 
and you're too petty to admit it.
■
              mGhost│mGhost@mouse-potato_com  r6qj0v$rmd$7@dont-email.me
            RonB│ronb02NOSPAM@gmail_com  r6rb1h$d7b$1@dont-email.me
          MrChrisV  m0m89fhvu37sknduk3bq02o3iopu7pbutq@4ax.com
        HughHuntzinger  25c87d98-12c5-4c80-88e5-bf2a0e457711@googlegroups.com
      SpamBot  e0686d64-d8a2-4479-91ac-01fb035cb859@googlegroups.com
    HughHuntzinger  2f3cdf35-6d10-432b-892e-bca566d074f1@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.15--10.56am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 11  m67 Cool; 2.1 Days, GoogleG, 129.139.170.108,  Apr 13 {  9: 9am, 2020 }:48^(PDT)  Y3Чϓ
      Hoovervilles.

I assume that the virus is everywhere,
especially in hospitals.

When you toss people out on the streets,
as is happening now,
emergency rooms are packed tighter.

Bill Gates is focused on the virus,
because that's the easiest thing to do;
I'm focused on the Hoovervilles,
the mentally ill drug abusers who need long-term care.
■
              MrChrisV  l45c9f94kh0gr2slk34b4l0o67sk0ogkr9@4ax.com
            .  r757v1$1bq5$2@gioia.aioe.org
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.14--2.32pm.Seattle.2020
        MrChrisV  ustd9f1nl14g08s4r93fqfl8t6ogfk9vmb@4ax.com
      MichaelMoroney  r77b68$7si$1@pcls7.std.com
    MrChrisV  43de9fhfm1i5po6i8h1ljga08pp3qe81rt@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.15--9.37am.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, News.Software.Readers
    ╱ 1  m205 Dropped; 1.8 Minutes, F_Agent, HighWinds➤Fastusenet.ORG,  Apr 15 {  9:27am, 2020 }:21^(-5)  Y5iβ
      Michael Moroney's paranoid, pot-addled brain.

Michael Moroney's paranoid, pot-addled brain is incapable
of understanding that Thunderbird's default settings prevent
the "tracking" problems that scare him so.

MrChrisV is too childish to admit that his newsreader 
can't handle Unicode ( which requires font mixing-n-matching ).

Likewise, SLRN can't mix-n-match fonts,
as Unicode requires ( especially when it comes to emojis ).
■
              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.12--11.41pm.Seattle.2020
            MrChrisV  l45c9f94kh0gr2slk34b4l0o67sk0ogkr9@4ax.com
          Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  r757v1$1bq5$2@gioia.aioe.org
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.14--2.32pm.Seattle.2020
      Lewis│g_kreme@gmail_com_  slrnr9clc1.11e7.g.kreme@ProMini.lan
    mGhost│mGhost@mouse-potato_com  r75sg1$9i9$3@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.15--9.23am.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, News.Software.Readers, Alt.Free.Newsserversseas
    ╱ 2  m3 Cool; 13.6 Hours, slrn➤Linux, Eternal-September.ORG,  Apr 14 {  7:45pm, 2020 }:22  Y4Йγ
      99.999 % of people can't configure Thunderbird properly.

mGhost and Lewis replied ( to me ):
> > > Mozilla Thunderbird is the gold standard for newsreaders;
> > > but 99.999 % of people can't configure it properly.
> > > 
> > > Most people can't write the CSS, nor the JavaScript,
> > > required to make it super nice.
> >
> > Thank you for that, it's the funniest thing I've seen all day.
> 
> Thought that was funny as well.  SLRN is the gold standard.
> Thunderbird is an email client, and not a very good one at that. 

If you had the power to configure it, like I do,
you wouldn't say that.

I wrote my own newsreader;
so I don't need Thunderbird.
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        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.12--11.41pm.Seattle.2020
      MrChrisV  l45c9f94kh0gr2slk34b4l0o67sk0ogkr9@4ax.com
    Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  r757v1$1bq5$2@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.14--2.33pm.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, News.Software.Readers, Alt.Free.Newsserversseas
    ╱ 22  m130 Cool; 12.7 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Aioe.ORG,  Apr 14 {  1:54pm, 2020 }:59^(-5)  Y4κx
      This is an HTML post.

This is an HTML post.

For years, ChrisV plonked me because his newsreader
couldn't handle my posts; for similar reasons, 
people block posts from Google Groups.

His newsreader, Agent, doesn't understand UTF-8.

UTF-8, not US ASCII, has been the standard for decades now.

Also, Agent borks HTML, big time.

SLRN, a console newsreader, has no such problems.

Mozilla Thunderbird is the gold standard for newsreaders;
but 99.999 % of people can't configure it properly.

Most people can't write the CSS, nor the JavaScript,
required to make it super nice.

Unless you enjoy -Random- lags ( when will the post show up ? ),
Do NOT use a binary server to READ Usenet; instead, use:
  
   News.Individual.NET:119  //  10 Euros per year.
  
Do NOT post using Individual.NET, they'll censor you;
instead, use a binary server; to wit:
  
  News.US.Usenet-News.NET:119  or  usNews.BlockNews.NET:119 
  
  They won't censor you; they don't even keep the "Path:" line,
  so you can't be identified.  Their archive is over 18 years deep.
  $5 buys you 11 gigs, enough for several life times.
  If one is down ( -very- unlikely ), use the other one.
■
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.12--11.41pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
      Misdirected Charity.

Near as I can tell, most multi-family apartment
owners have deep pockets; also, they’re
first in line at the printing press.

Problem is, there’s not enough charity going on;
either that, or it’s misdirected.

Bill Gates worries about (ubiquitous) viruses,
as if that were the primary cause of deaths;
he doesn’t understand (proper) cause-n-effect.

Apparently, Seattle can’t afford long-term
care for mentally-ill drug abusers.

Heroin is a pain reliever.
Religion is a pain reliever. God is nature.
Money printing is a pain reliever.
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.10--5.11am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
      Homelessness and wealth inequality.

Thousands of years ago, Jesus agreed with 
today's central bankers; saying:

> For whosoever hath, to him shall be given,
> and he shall have more abundance; 
> 
> but whosoever hath not, from him
> shall be taken away even that he hath.

See: "Parable of the Talents" and
"Parable of the Sower".

In Matthew 25:30 KJV, Jesus says:

> Cast ye the unprofitable servant
> into outer darkness:  there shall be 
> weeping and gnashing of teeth. 

The idea is that you plant your "seed" 
(investment) where you get the highest return;
i.e. you give it to the (proven) rich,
not to the poor (deadbeats).

Don't cast pearls before swine.
Never try to teach a pig to sing; 
it wastes your time and it annoys the pig.

That said, we cannot raise interest rates,
-- we cannot pop the asset price bubble --
unless-n-until we provide long-term care
for mentally-ill drug abusers.

Once done, homelessness and wealth inequality
are quite tolerable.
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.10--3.07am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
      She ain’t gonna get none of it.

George Thorogood:

    She a-hollerin’ about the front rent. 
    She be lucky to get any back rent. 
    She ain’t gonna get none of it.  🎵

This is how it works here, in New Detroit,
formerly known as "Seattle".

It's government-sanctioned squatting, 
looting, drugging, fucking, etc.; 
it's party time, no rules !

If the city could be bothered to care 
for its mentally ill drug abusers, long-term,
it'd be safe to raise interest rates,
and pop this insane asset price bubble.
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          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.9--9.25am.Seattle.2020
        MrChrisV  8sku8fp1a6ip3mr7u8h592i44g7hnobkdq@4ax.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.9--10.41am.Seattle.2020
    MrChrisV  dvou8f9eehaqj8022u5g10m3c6fma2kl0g@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.9--4.58pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m235 Dropped; 5.8 Hours, F_Agent, HighWinds➤Fastusenet.ORG,  Apr  9 { 11: 7am, 2020 }:22^(-5)  Y1zɒ
      I'm not trying to live in the cheapest place.

MrChrisV replied ( to me ):
> > > Go price an apartment in Tokyo, and see 
> > > how "spacious" and "affordable" it is, for you.
> > 
> > I have, and they are, compared to Seattle.
> 
> What are you waiting for, then ?    8)

I'm not trying to live in the cheapest place.
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      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.9--9.25am.Seattle.2020
    MrChrisV  8sku8fp1a6ip3mr7u8h592i44g7hnobkdq@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.9--10.41am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m234 Dropped; 39.8 Minutes, F_Agent, HighWinds➤Fastusenet.ORG,  Apr  9 {  9:58am, 2020 }: 1^(-5)  Y1nϡ
      Tokyo housing is spacious and affordable, compared to Seattle.

MrChrisV told me:
> Go price an apartment in Tokyo, and see 
> how "spacious" and "affordable" it is, for you.

I have, and they are, compared to Seattle.
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.9--9.25am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
      This has to change.

Thanks to runaway asset inflation,
working stiffs can’t afford the cheapest hovel;
— this has to change.

And I think it will, as it has in Japan;
there, asset price deflation is slow-n-steady,
decade after decade.
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          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.2--3.53am.Seattle.2020
        Daniel│me@scifida_n_com  MbPiG.336867$kM2.135382@fx02.iad
      anonlinuxuser│linuxuser@noone_  r6gsu9$tg2$1@dont-email.me
    Daniel│me@scifida_n_com  _Q4jG.815436$aD6.810647@fx38.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.7--1.57pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 2  m5 Shifty; 58.6 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤X11, HighWinds➤Newshosting.COM,  Apr  7 {   :51pm, 2020 }:22^(-7)  Xჵьγ
      Smoke less weed.

Daniel replied ( to me ):
> > > > Ebola was scary at first. HIV too.
> > > > Later, we think:
> > > > " What was all the fuss about ? ".
> 
> At first ?  It still is. 

Try smoking less weed.
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        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.2--3.53am.Seattle.2020
      Daniel│me@scifida_n_com  MbPiG.336867$kM2.135382@fx02.iad
    anonlinuxuser│linuxuser@noone_  r6gsu9$tg2$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.6--9.24pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 12  m228 Mad; 25.8 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Mac, Eternal-September.ORG,  Apr  6 {  8:44pm, 2020 }: 7^(-6)  Xჵʝɿ
      Winter 2018-2019, American flu deaths.

Google:  Winter 2018-2019, American flu deaths 
and you get:

  In total, the CDC estimates that up to 42.9 million 
  people got sick during the 2018-2019 flu season, 
  647,000 people were hospitalized and 61,200 died.
 
  That's fairly on par with a typical season, and well 
  below the CDC's 2017-2018 estimates of 48.8 million 
  illnesses, 959,000 hospitalizations and 79,400 deaths.  
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      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.2--3.53am.Seattle.2020
    Takuya_Saitoh│taka0038@gmail_  6d0409fa-8f61-470d-aa54-a2b3b7b44ac7@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.6--10.58am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 3  m3 Shifty; 1.4 Hours, GoogleG, 109.70.100.26,  Apr  6 {  9: 9am, 2020 }:40^(PDT)  Xჵfυ
      Seattle has become worse than Calcutta.

Nice to see you again, Takuya Saitoh,
it's been years.

China was hoping people would make more babies
if they extended the world's largest holiday;
instead, the divorce rate went up !

Seattle emptied its jails and is 
arresting even fewer than before !

Basically, they won't lift a finger
to improve the city.

Seattle has become worse than Calcutta;
Calcutta takes care of its sick.

Mentally ill Drug Abusers are solidly 
in charge of the fucking asylum.

Everyone has gone insane,
including Bill Gates.
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.5--3.48am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
      Once control of the asylum is taken back.

Once control of the asylum is taken back
from ( mentally ill ) drug abusers:
 
-- State-Sponsored Squatting will decamp.
-- Interest Rates will return to normal.

-- Asset Prices will deflate.
-- Bankruptcies will dethrone fraudsters.
-- Wealth Inequality will abate.
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            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.2--3.53am.Seattle.2020
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.2--5.08pm.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
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      9'000 COVID deaths in America, this spring.

Shall we start a betting pool ?

9'000 COVID deaths in America, this spring.

Odd_Bodkin bets:
> This spring, corona virus will kill 250'000 Americans.
> [ This fall, it'll kill 100'000 Americans ]
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.2--2.59pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
      Homelessness exists by (subconscious) design.

Matthew 25:30 KJV:

  Cast ye the unprofitable servant
  into outer darkness:  there shall be 
  weeping and gnashing of teeth. 

Luke 19:27 KJV:

  those mine enemies, which would not 
  that I should reign over them, bring hither,
  and slay them before me.

It seems rather natural for people to think
that the homeless person "earned" his sad fate;
hence overcrowded jails/shelters/hospitals.

In other words, today's dire health crisis,
homelessness, exists by (subconscious) design.
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          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.2--3.53am.Seattle.2020
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.2--1.11pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 17  m90 Cool; 3.8 Hours, GoogleG, 173.70.116.6,  Apr  2 {  8:47am, 2020 }:54^(PDT)  Xჲʝჰ
      "Brutal Math" is based on unknowns/assumptions.

"Brutal Math" is based on unknowns/assumptions.
Do it wrong, and you'd think all of humanity is doomed.

I think the firecracker is a dud, like Ebola;
only time will tell if I'm right or wrong.

Homelessness is the greater healthcare risk,
if you ask me, but "human rats" are supposed 
to die ( for their sins ), even Jesus said so:

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Havcr-2Kx30
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.2--3.53am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
      Last winter, the flu killed 61'000 Americans.

Ebola was scary at first. HIV too.
Later, we think:
" What was all the fuss about ? ".

This winter, 5'000 Americans died from COVID-19;
last winter, the flu killed 61'000 Americans.

More pressing: state-sanctioned squatting and 
overcrowding in emergency rooms, shelters and jails.
■
Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.30--5.23am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
      Nothing got fixed, far from it.

Re: The 2020 stimulus package.

Suppose our economy had just 2 people:
a borrower and a lender.

The lender is the top, the master;
the borrower is the bottom/slave.

Our borrower is homeless,
strung out, and sick as hell.

Our lender gave our borrower his fix,
but nothing got fixed; he’s an enabler.
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      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.24--7.25am.Seattle.2020
    DFS  UmreG.1128916$ek.143030@fx48.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.24--2.46pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
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      The poor are supposed to die.

DFS replied ( to me ):
> > Property managers, such as myself,
> > are usually paid 10 % of the rent roll;
> > in my case, that it'd be 2.2 thousand $/month.
> > 
> > Instead, I get reduced rent;
> > at times, I don't even get that.
> 
> So you're getting scammed.  
> Why do you continue to accept getting scammed ?

I may stop.  I don't want to do it anymore,
no matter the pay ( I've had offers ).

At heart, I'm a computer programmer,
not a property manager.

Initially, I did it for the shits-and-grins.

> We had to get rid of one recently.
> Mild squatter we legally evicted... 
> then I spent about $1200 getting rid 
> of his extreme, TLC-level hoard.

Same here, only much worse.
Recently, I got a 2000 $ quote to haul-out junk.
Rooms need painting, floors need replacing.

Nice, single-family rentals are doing OK;
dilapidated rooming houses are much worse off.

Depressions hit the poorest first,
-- years -- before Wall Street discoverers it.

> > I'm outnumbered.
> > Squatters, "Ave Rats", are everywhere.
> 
> Why do you stay?

I was here first; I'm holding my ground.

I love Seattle's weather.

A lot of good things have come out of Seattle,
over the generations.

> > > Offer him a job and place to live,
> > > or no job and no place to live 
> > > and watch what he does.
> > 
> > You have no idea; nor do you care to know.
> 
> That's a nonsensical statement.

You know the difference between 
a shit bucket and a Vittles Vault;
yet you -- continually -- act like you don't.

Likewise, you act like you don't know,
or don't care to know, homeless people.

By far, homelessness is America's 
greatest healthcare crisis, not viruses.

But such people are supposed to die;
even Jesus said so:
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Havcr-2Kx30

> > A lot of these guys truly are disabled;
> > you yourself would never hire them;
> > even if you did, you'd fire them shortly afterwards.
> 
> Some are, but most are just substance abusers
> and lazy assholes who will take advantage of 
> anyone they can, for as much as they can, 
> for as long as they can.

Society didn't offer them a better option.

Nature didn't offer them a better option.

"Hoovervilles" ( tent cities ) are worse now
than they were in the 1930's.

It's 1934 All Over Again:
http://Jeff-Relf.Me/1934.All.Over.Again.PNG

Is "Sleepy Joe Biden" going to resolve it ?
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            DFS  ocSdG.575703$aD6.506914@fx38.iad
          Joel│joelcrump@gmail_com  ebtf7f5jkav9t89g9rosbfksn711r399lu@4ax.com
        DFS  kHTdG.178649$8h.6649@fx26.iad
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.24--6.48am.Seattle.2020
    DFS  CzreG.204505$8Y7.171403@fx05.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.24--1.20pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 4  m120 Top; 1.8 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win8.1, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Mar 24 { 10:37am, 2020 }:53^(-4)  XწΑɱ
      It's a Vittles Vault, not a bucket.

DFS told me:
> The bucket of shit you willingly 
> keep in your room doesn't lie.

It's a Vittles Vault, not a bucket.

It bothers no one; I've plenty of visitors.

Someday, after you've matured a bit, 
you'll understand the difference.

> > You don't have to be disabled 
> > to receive food stamps.
> 
> That's no excuse for you taking them.

Your government decided to give food 
to low income people, like me; and I accepted.

If you offered me food,
I'd take it, like a gentleman.

Bitching at me won't change anything,
and it's affecting your mental health.

Currently, the government is bailing out 
everyone and their dog -- trillions of dollars.

Multi-family properties are suffering.
Single-family rentals seem to be doing okay.

My SRO tenants are approaching me,
saying they don't have to pay rent.

Eventually, the ban on evictions will go away,
and they won't be able to catch up.

If they fight it, in court, they can win.

Seattle gives them crack lawyers, no charge,
and charities pay the past-due rent.

Late fees, court fees, and property damage,
must be transferred to a bill collector;
the judge doesn't want to hear about it.

Evicting someone for bad behavior is
damn near impossible in "progressive" Seattle.

If they lose, they won't leave unless-and-until
the sheriff drags them out.  Even then,
some have to be trespassed -- they hang around.

There's a tsunami of scary squatters,
stealing bikes and UPS packages;
they trade it for meth, heroin and sex.

The police tell me they aren't sending 
anyone to jail these days.
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              Joel│joelcrump@gmail_com  ebtf7f5jkav9t89g9rosbfksn711r399lu@4ax.com
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          Joel│joelcrump@gmail_com  71eh7flbni0ba9n4umsacrfovjeqrdak5s@4ax.com
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.24--7.25am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 9  m122 Top; 18.5 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win8.1, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Mar 23 {   :21pm, 2020 }:10^(-4)  XძчΟ
      Taxpayers decided to give low-income people food stamps.

DFS replied ( to Steve Carroll ):
> > I think Relf is just food stamps but he does work. 
> 
> An able-bodied person getting food stamps is still 
> sucking unfairly on taxpayer money.  It's unacceptable.

Taxpayers decided to give low-income people food stamps;
I had nothing to do with it, nothing at all.

Property managers, such as myself,
are usually paid 10 % of the rent roll;
in my case, that it'd be 2.2 thousand $/month.

Instead, I get reduced rent;
at times, I don't even get that.

And, if you read my posts, you'd realize 
that my job is fucking hazardous too.

> You drag the lowlife down the stairs by his ankles, 
> and each time his head slams into a stair 
> you ask if he's ready to move out.

I'm outnumbered.

Squatters, "Ave Rats", are everywhere, all the time.

The guy I chased out this morning, 4:30am,
knifed a friend of mine.

> Offer him a job and place to live,
> or no job and no place to live and watch what he does.

You have no idea; nor do you care to know.

A lot of these guys truly are disabled;
you yourself would never hire them;
even if you did, you'd fire them shortly afterwards.

Trust me, it's not fun knowing these people,
up close and personal.
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.24--6.48am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
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      Not once has the government paid me.

DFS wrote:
> Joel, Snit and Relf are "disabled"

I recently paid the IRS 600 $;
not once has the government paid me.

You don't have to be disabled to receive food stamps.

> scamming free taxpayer money you don't deserve...
> It's not fair, shithead.

I must be doing something right because 
my mental health is better than yours, obviously.
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.24--6.29am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
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      DFS, Jesus rewards taxpayers like you.

DFS wrote:
> Sucking on taxpayer money is pathetic.  
> There are now three such creatures on cola: 
> Relf, Snit and Crump.

Jesus rewards taxpayers like yourself, DFS:
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Havcr-2Kx30
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      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.25--0.52pm.Seattle.2020
    Johann_Beretta│beretta@nun-ya  r5cabo$vg1$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.24--6.17am.Seattle.2020
  Alt.OS.Linux, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Comp.Sys.Mac.Advocacy
    ╱ 2  m2 Shifty; 4.7 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤X11, Eternal-September.ORG,  Mar 23 { 11:46pm, 2020 }:19^(-7)  XწȹБ
      Dainty iPhones.

Johann Beretta told me:
> Figuring out how to operate Windows 10 doesn't make you 
> a Windows 10 expert and it certainly doesn't make you
> any type of expert on OSes.

That's your opinion, not mine.

My Win10 Registry Settings:
  http://Jeff-Relf.Me/Win10.REG.TXT

My Mouse/Keyboard Layout:
  http://Jeff-Relf.Me/MouseKeyboardLayout.PNG

My Visual Studio 2019 macros, C#:
  http://Jeff-Relf.Me/Macros.HTM

My modifications to Quantum Firefox 69 itself, 
and the pages it displays:
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMvYaNgWryc

My SearchBar:
  http://Jeff-Relf.Me/SearchBar.PNG

My playList when reading/writing/programming:
  http://Jeff-Relf.Me/MyPlayList.HTM

My diff routines:
  http://Jeff-Relf.Me/Diff.PNG

My custom C++ console:
    http://Jeff-Relf.Me/X.HTM

My posts to Usenet ( since Feb 2012 ):
  http://Jeff-Relf.Me/Posts.TXT

My C++ Coding Rules:
  http://Jeff-Relf.Me/C++CodingRules.HTM

> Why are $100+ million dollar
> supercomputers running Linux Oops?

What does that have to do with the PC you pulled 
from the dumpster, because you couldn't afford an android ?

> But the fact that you want to engage in massive
> amounts of self-delusion and back-patting by declaring
> the least customizable OS Microsoft has ever produced 
> to be "properly configurable" is laughable.

You have no idea.

I'm not going to teach you 
because you don't want to learn.
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        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.20--11.25am.Seattle.2020
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.20--1.15pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
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      Bill Gates.

ChrisV replied ( to me ):
> > > The cheapest housing has the worst tenants,
> > > the most: evictions, drugs, property damage,
> > > squatting, and police activity.
> > >
> > > Every year, such housing vanishes
> > > like a teardrop in Death Valley.
> > 
> > I wonder why landlords don't like such tenents,
> > and would rather rent to better, wealthier tenents.

New construction targets the richest tenants, duh !

The ever diminishing, oldest construction is
where the poorest live -- if they're super lucky.

> IIRC, Seattle set some regulations on 
> landlords and capped rents.  
> maybe jeff can tell you about that.

Homelessness is the greatest healthcare crisis in America.
America wants them dead, apparently.

Currently, Seattle has a 30 day moratorium 
on evictions -- and it'll likely be
extended beyond 60 days.

Starting 2 years ago, deadbeat tenants have 
been given free, amazing lawyers.

For many months now, we've been trying to evict
an off-the-wall insane meth addict, 
who never pays rent -- charities have given him 
many thousands of dollars ( for rent ).

When "screening" tenants, I'm not allowed to 
know or consider one's criminal history.

I -- must -- accept money from charities;
once, when I balked, 
I was threatened with a lawsuit.

He's fresh from Ethiopia, with a long police record,
who continually breaks windows ( big time ), 
punches holes in the wall, harbors drug dealers,
attacks women ( and others ), and
vibrates the house at 4 am with his music.

When a housemate, a young University of Washington
student, asked him to turn it down, he got maced.
He pulled a knife on me.

Recently, he tried to break down 
the door of one of our last remaining tenants;
apparently, he wants to floor all to himself.

Three of my tenants have filed 
restraining orders against him.

The police tell me they're not putting
anyone in jail these days, due to the virus.

Seattle wants him to be -- my -- problem;
they've washed their hands of it.

We should worry less about viruses
and more about compromised immune systems
due to poor housing.
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              .  49i17fdo8rlsgg2q2oahelm5oqohgpbf7c@4ax.com
            .  D%3cG.1008686$Gh7.495161@fx45.iad
          .  vqj17fd7i7gkmjia4eims1468pfl0ef98p@4ax.com
        .  4I4dG.150290$2m6.44078@fx17.iad
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.20--9.08am.Seattle.2020
    BranimirMaksimovic  Or9dG.1048$EB6.573@fx28.am4
Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.20--1.49pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m13 Cool; 32 Minutes, slrn➤Linux, HighWinds➤Usenet-News.NET,  Mar 20 {  1:11pm, 2020 }:26  Xჩяე
      Windows 10 November 2019.

Branimir Maksimovic replied ( to me ):
> > Some people simply can't configure Windows 10 properly;
> > it's too confusing, with all the new hardware/software.
> > For them, I suggest the iPhone, or an Android.
> 
> Or use Linux and much of problems dissapear...

If you can't afford an Android, sure.
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            .  c817d85d-9b18-43c0-a4e1-1587d4ba26db@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.19--4.42pm.Seattle.2020
        MrChrisV  tcl97fdimvjv4jbi3vrkt94ppelg51mgc5@4ax.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.20--8.36am.Seattle.2020
    BranimirMaksimovic  5q9dG.1047$EB6.59@fx28.am4
Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.20--1.46pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╳ 2  m13 Cool; 33.8 Minutes, slrn➤Linux, HighWinds➤Usenet-News.NET,  Mar 20 {  1: 9pm, 2020 }:37  Xჩяς
      Tell us why your CPU is better.

Branimir Maksimovic replied ( to me ):
> > My 4.3+ GigaHz CPU is 78°F !
> > 6 cores, 12 virtual, should be enough.
> 
> You got obsolete CPU....

Tell us why your CPU is better.
■
Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.20--11.25am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
      The cheapest housing.

The rooming house that I manage offers 
the crappiest/cheapest SROs available.
[ SRO: Standing Rooms Only ]

Every year, more and more people can't
afford the cheapest/crappiest rent;
and our vacancy-rate goes up.

"Hoovervilles" ( tent cities ) are 
worse now than they were in the 1930's.
Yeah, those were the good old days !

The cheapest housing has the worst tenants,
the most: evictions, drugs, property damage,
squatting, and police activity.

Every year, such housing vanishes 
like a teardrop in Death Valley.

Where's the technology 
when you really needed it ?!

It's 1934 All Over Again:
http://Jeff-Relf.Me/1934.All.Over.Again.PNG
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              Joel│joelcrump@gmail_com  gp7v6fdd24gmgnpfhdfarftl6vs9lts35k@4ax.com
            DFS  LI3cG.171298$8h.86403@fx26.iad
          Joel│joelcrump@gmail_com  49i17fdo8rlsgg2q2oahelm5oqohgpbf7c@4ax.com
        DFS  D%3cG.1008686$Gh7.495161@fx45.iad
      Joel│joelcrump@gmail_com  vqj17fd7i7gkmjia4eims1468pfl0ef98p@4ax.com
    DFS  4I4dG.150290$2m6.44078@fx17.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.20--9.08am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 2  m86 Top; 15.5 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win8.1, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Mar 20 {  7:47am, 2020 }:50^(-4)  XჩЙწ
      Windows 10 November 2019.

DFS wrote:
> I'm pretty sure I've not once defended Win10.
> I don't use it or like it very much (
> weird start menu, 

I've never even seen it, not once.
It's turned off.

> forced updates, 

Turned off... Because I know what I'm doing.
I re-install Windows whenever there's a major update.
I'm running version 1909: Windows 10 November 2019.

> telemetry, 

Turned off, P2P distribution turned off.

> nag screens ).

Windows 10 never nags me, never.

I stopped Firefox 69, Developer Edition,
from nagging me -- it wasn't easy.

Microsoft Office 2016 nags me, 
but it's not a pop-up,
so I haven't bothered to turn it off.

http://Jeff-Relf.Me/Win10.REG.TXT

> I've had exactly 2 BSOD in ~5 years 
> of daily Win 8.1 usage.

I can't remember the last time I got a BSOD.
It must've been --many-- years ago.

Some people simply can't configure Windows 10 properly;
it's too confusing, with all the new hardware/software.

For them, I suggest the iPhone, or an android.
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              FabianRussell  r4ual302d3c@news2.newsguy.com
            HughHuntzinger  496e6da4-aaff-42ee-a3bd-71bd56798b15@googlegroups.com
          FabianRussell  r50ngl02voa@news1.newsguy.com
        HughHuntzinger  c817d85d-9b18-43c0-a4e1-1587d4ba26db@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.19--4.42pm.Seattle.2020
    MrChrisV  tcl97fdimvjv4jbi3vrkt94ppelg51mgc5@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.20--8.36am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m165 Dropped; 22.3 Minutes, F_Agent, HighWinds➤Fastusenet.ORG,  Mar 20 {  7:41am, 2020 }: 1^(-5)  XჩИл
      4.3+ GigaHz CPU is 78 F !

MrChrisV replied ( to me ):
> > "MSI MPG z390 Gaming Edge AC" ( 300 Series ) Motherboard.
> > i7-8700, 4.25+ GigaHz ( gaming mode ), LGA 1151.
> > ddr4 RAM, 3 GigaHz ( gaming mode ), 16 gigs.
> > 
> > CPU Fan: 4 copper, water-in-a-vacuum HeatPipes, 
> > DeepCool GamMaxx GT BK.  4.3+ GigaHz CPU is 78°F !
> 
> Were you tempted to go AMD?
> They seem to be out-front
> of Intel, at this point in time.

I did it August 6th, 2019, 
before I knew about AMD's extra cores.

I got 6 cores, 12 virtual, which should be enough.
■
              FabianRussell  r4ual302d3c@news2.newsguy.com
            HughHuntzinger  496e6da4-aaff-42ee-a3bd-71bd56798b15@googlegroups.com
          FabianRussell  r50ngl02voa@news1.newsguy.com
        HughHuntzinger  c817d85d-9b18-43c0-a4e1-1587d4ba26db@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.19--4.42pm.Seattle.2020
    MrChrisV  81l97fhd4g6t8hllgg11k4rj7skecbiqr2@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.20--8.25am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 2  m165 Dropped; 24 Minutes, F_Agent, HighWinds➤Fastusenet.ORG,  Mar 20 {  7:39am, 2020 }:22^(-5)  XჩИγ
      Assembling my new PC.

MrChrisV replied ( to me ):
> > I did a fresh install of Win10,
> > then installed the drivers for my new PC.
> 
> In my experience, 
> Win10 does most drivers automagically.

No, hence the fresh install.

Microsoft doesn't keep the latest drivers
for the newest hardware;
instead, it installs generic drivers.
■
            FabianRussell  r4ual302d3c@news2.newsguy.com
          HughHuntzinger  496e6da4-aaff-42ee-a3bd-71bd56798b15@googlegroups.com
        FabianRussell  r50ngl02voa@news1.newsguy.com
      HughHuntzinger  c817d85d-9b18-43c0-a4e1-1587d4ba26db@googlegroups.com
    .  Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.19--4.42pm.Seattle.2020
Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.20--7.19am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m69 Cool; 1.6 Hours, GoogleG, 129.139.180.135,  Mar 19 {  2:39pm, 2020 }:21^(PDT)  Xჩɠβ
      I made copies of my primary SSD, "C:".

I should've said:
> I booted Win10 first try, no hardware problems.
> 
> I made copies of my primary SSD, "C:",
> did a fresh install of Win10,
> and installed the drivers.
■
          FabianRussell  r4ual302d3c@news2.newsguy.com
        HughHuntzinger  496e6da4-aaff-42ee-a3bd-71bd56798b15@googlegroups.com
      FabianRussell  r50ngl02voa@news1.newsguy.com
    HughHuntzinger  c817d85d-9b18-43c0-a4e1-1587d4ba26db@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.19--4.42pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m69 Cool; 1.6 Hours, GoogleG, 129.139.180.135,  Mar 19 {  2:39pm, 2020 }:21^(PDT)  Xჩɠβ
      Assembling my new PC.

My current PC was assembled using all new parts;
I spent all night putting it together;
it booted Win10 first try, no hardware problems.

Configuring the software was much more difficult;
it took a couple days... but I'm a expert.  

I made copies of my primary SSD, "C:",
did a fresh install of Win10,
and installed the drivers.

512 gig, USB 3.1 "Corsair Flash Voyager GTX"
thumb Drive.  On the motherboard:
1 TeraByte, "Samsung 970 EVO Plus"; 
Reads/Writes 3.5/3.3 GigaBytes/Sec.

4k, 40", 25 lb, Philips bdm4037uw curved monitor.
"MSI GeForce GTX 1650 AERO ITX 4G OC", 4K at 60 Hz;
runs MadVR+LAV for proper 4k, 60 fps videos.

Ergotech Freedom Arm, Heavy Duty, 30 lbs Max, 
( Tilt: 45° Dwn, 90° Up ), 360° Pole, 27" Reach.

"MSI MPG z390 Gaming Edge AC" ( 300 Series ) Motherboard.
i7-8700, 4.25+ GigaHz ( gaming mode ), LGA 1151.
ddr4 RAM, 3 GigaHz ( gaming mode ), 16 gigs.

CPU Fan: 4 copper, water-in-a-vacuum HeatPipes, 
DeepCool GamMaxx GT BK.  4.3+ GigaHz CPU is 78°F !

ATX Mid-Tower Chassis, FrontUSB( 2.0, 2.0, 3.0 ), 
Back( 2.0, 2.0, 3.1g2, 3.1g2c, 3.1, 3.1 ), 
Wi-Fi antennas.

Logitech g600 mouse.
Logitech g635 USB HeadSet.
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.19--11.09am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
      The Grapes of Wrath.

“The Grapes of Wrath” is about small farms
going under, unions, and the starving.

Starvation is no longer a problem,
we’re obese; today, we need housing.

Who will solve the housing issue ?

Who will become the Amazon of housing ?

This is the real issue, Governor,
not –relative– poverty ( a.k.a. jealousy ).
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.18--5.18pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
      History repeats.

Don't ignore the immune system,
as if it's not a factor.

The 1918 flu is scary because it's unknown;
it was so long ago, we can make up stories.

HIV was scary, now it's not.
Ebola was scary, now it's not.
On and on it goes, history repeats.
■
Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.18--3.59pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
      Zombies.

Even if you manage to not join the growing
horde of zombies, you're still in trouble.

The 15oz "Stagg Chili" I bought 6 weeks ago
from Amazon is now unavailable; 
and there are no alternatives 
that aren't 6 times the price.

Same for other products I usually buy.

Congratulations prepers,
your "one year supply of food"
idea seems rather precient now.
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      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.17--6.32am.Seattle.2020
    MrChrisV  05m17fl6e7uh1g9nmj57bpcljhtc0mnhtm@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.17--3.38pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m83 Dropped; 8.5 Hours, F_Agent, HighWinds➤Fastusenet.ORG,  Mar 17 {  7: 4am, 2020 }:34^(-5)  XყВР
      People are afraid of the unknown.

MrChrisV replied ( to me ):
> > Last time it was this bad,
> > World War II woke us from the slumber.
> 
> War won't help, if the health care system gets 
> overloaded by half the population getting sick,
> all at once.

You are afraid of the unknown,
which reminds me of HIV in the early 80's.

Back then, people were doing too much cocaine;
it was suppressing their immune systems.

Today we realize that it's not a death sentence;
Michael Jordan survived it, for example.
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.17--6.32am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
      People are afraid of the unknown.

People are afraid of the unknown.
The Y2K bug was bogus.
HIV never lived up to the hype.

Our current problems started earlier,
with the riots in Hong Kong and Chile;
the virus is a symptom, not the cause.

Willy-Nilly borrowing,
like there’s no tomorrow,
relieves the pain.

Heroin and religion also work,
when the pain is too great.

Last time it was this bad,
World War II woke us from the slumber.
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              Checkmate│More_Bull_Schiff  d0bmh3.8p8.17.84@news.alt.net
            Skeeter│Scoot@invalid_invalid  hb6n6flqmsuajdkhdfavch9nsqduqnqfaf@4ax.com
          Checkmate│More_Bull_Schiff  d0edb1.8p8.17.97@news.alt.net
        .  42993a88-d12f-4651-8633-ddfc60e0dc0c@googlegroups.com
      MrChrisV  vmtu6fld800ted8lqg1sdohbk4ngq8kpsn@4ax.com
    Checkmate│More_Bull_Schiff  d0kmhs.qck.17.5@news.alt.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.16--7.15am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m225 Mad; 6.2 Minutes, MicroPlanet, Alt.NET,  Mar 16 {  7: 4am, 2020 }:10^(-7)  XყKϸ
      Because Bernie thinks we should.

Our resident opiate addict tells us:
> I'm one healthy motherfucker.

Again:

  Real viruses are trivial;
  unknown viruses are apocalyptic.

  Starting with the Hong Kong riots...
  People lose their jobs and go insane.
  People go insane and lose their jobs.

  Hence these pain relievers:
  - Heroin, Religion. 
  - Negative interest rates.
  - Negative risk premiums.

  Today's T-bill rates indicate 
  it's 1934 All Over Again.
  http://Jeff-Relf.Me/1934.All.Over.Again.PNG
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              Ned_Latham│nedlatham@woden_  slrnr6u8a6.ipc.nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz
            Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  hd8p7fFcaigU1@mid.individual.net
          Ned_Latham│nedlatham@woden_  slrnr6uf63.is2.nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz
        Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  hd8vbcFdjr6U1@mid.individual.net
      Ned_Latham│nedlatham@woden_  slrnr6ujh8.j3e.nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz
    Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  hd9656Ff0leU1@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.16--6.45am.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics, Sci.Physics, Particle, Sci.Physics.Relativity
    ╱ 1  m26 Top; 1.8 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Individual.NET,  Mar 16 {  4:27am, 2020 }:32^(11)  Xღჰν
      People freak out and imagine the worst.

Sylvia Else wrote:
> It is angels on pinheads stuff to suggest that 
> there are "real" values for these quantities that 
> cannot be accessed through measurements.

Whenever something is unknown and/or unknowable,
people freak out and imagine the worst.

Real viruses are trivial;
unknown viruses are apocalyptic.

"Shut up and Calculate" is preferable to imagining 
bizarre universes constantly popping into existence 
everywhere, as pop-science would have it. 

Despite the lack of evidence, it's safe to assume that
Schrodinger's cat is either dead or alive, not both.

The future is just as fixed as the past;
the 4 dimensional TimeScape is static, immutable.

Randomness is ignorance, nothing more, nothing less.
"God" is nature, nothing more, nothing less.

Religion is a painkiller, similar to heroin 
and today's prolific "lending".
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.15--10.26pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
      It's 1934 All Over Again.

Today's T-bill rates indicate 
it's 1934 All Over Again.
http://Jeff-Relf.Me/1934.All.Over.Again.PNG
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    JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.14--5.53pm.Seattle.2020
Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.15--3.37am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m54 Top; 9.7 Hours, X.HTM, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Mar 14 {  5:53pm, 2020 }: 1^(Seattle)  Xღ8л
      Real viruses are trivial.

Real viruses are trivial;
unknown viruses are apocalyptic.

Starting with the Hong Kong riots...
People lose their jobs and go insane.
People go insane and lose their jobs.

Hence these pain relievers:
- Heroin, Religion. 
- Negative interest rates.
- Negative risk premiums.
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.14--5.53pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
      Real viruses are trivial.

Real viruses are trivial;
unknown viruses are apocalyptic.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.4--8.14pm.Seattle.2020
            BranimirMaksimovic  X1l8G.580937$_R5.417930@fx19.am4
          anonlinuxuser│linuxuser@noone_  r3u7t4$o3u$3@dont-email.me
        Al_Czervik│Caddyshack_Al@gmail_  r3uhgd$kur$2@dont-email.me
      anonlinuxuser│linuxuser@noone_  r4198r$p0e$6@dont-email.me
    Al_Czervik│Caddyshack_Al@gmail_  r4hou5$3e5$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.14--2.29am.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m12 Cool; 3.9 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Mar 13 { 10:10pm, 2020 }:57^(-7)  Xქʫз
      People lose their job and go insane.

People lose their job and go insane.
People go insane and lose their job.

Hence:
- Heroin, Religion. 
- Negative interest rates.
- Negative risk premiums.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.4--8.14pm.Seattle.2020
            BranimirMaksimovic  X1l8G.580937$_R5.417930@fx19.am4
          anonlinuxuser│linuxuser@noone_  r3u7t4$o3u$3@dont-email.me
        Al_Czervik│Caddyshack_Al@gmail_  r3uhgd$kur$2@dont-email.me
      anonlinuxuser│linuxuser@noone_  r4198r$p0e$6@dont-email.me
    Al_Czervik│Caddyshack_Al@gmail_  r4hou5$3e5$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.14--2.15am.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m12 Cool; 3.9 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Mar 13 { 10:10pm, 2020 }:57^(-7)  Xქʫз
      People lose their job and go insane.

People lose their job and go insane.
People go insane and lose their job.
■
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.12--7.09pm.Seattle.2020
    Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  r4er15$1835$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.12--7.36pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m23 Cool; 4.6 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Aioe.ORG,  Mar 12 {  7:26pm, 2020 }:47^(-5)  XფЖʧ
      Negative interest rates + negative risk premiums.

Sergio replied ( to me ):
> > If the global market were a dog,
> > we'd take it out behind the barn
> > and shoot it
> 
> dude, prices only went back about 6 months.  
> Except for the Oil conpanies, they got hammered.
> remember that huge rise from oct 19 to feb 20 ?  20% ?

There's no difference between
" negative interest rates + negative risk premiums "
and painkillers like heroin and religion.

It's what we give old, dying men.
■
Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.12--7.09pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
      If the global market were a dog...

If the global market were a dog,
we'd take it out behind the barn
and shoot it.
■
Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.12--0.58am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
      Dying Boomers.

Boeing execs used share buybacks to
extract 43 billion $ from the company.

They know Boeing is "too big to fail";
so it's: heads they win, tails we lose.

And this is only the tip of the iceberg;
more fraud and bailouts coming.

Negative interest rates 
and negative risk premiums 
will ease the pain so the (dying) boomers
( Trump and Biden ) won't feel anything.
■
Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.10--11.48pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
      Every junkie is a setting sun.

Negative InterestRates/RiskPremiums are 
like heroin&religion -- they kill the pain.
Every junkie is a setting sun.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hd3oqvnDKQk
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.10--0.01am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 2  m67 Cool; 4.9 Hours, GoogleG, 173.70.116.6,  Mar  9 {  6:21pm, 2020 }:42^(PDT)  Xტϻχ
      Seattle wants to be Detroit.

Minimum-Wage Regulations benefit government/union 
workers to the detriment of the poorest among us
who can't reach the lowest rung on the ladder.

These people are -poor-;
you can't even imagine it, Hugh.

California AB5 bans people who'd work fewer hours
because it harms government/union workers.

Seattle won't let property managers screen potential
tenants based on their criminal history;
as a result, good tenants move out.

Seattle provides tenants with crack lawyers;
so it takes countless months/money to evict 
someone who hasn't paid rent.

As a result, good tenants move out.

Seattle won't touch career criminals;
as a result, innocent people die 
and good people leave the city.

In Cuba, where Castro-loving "Bernie Sanders"
are everywhere, your only job is to wait in line
for that same piece of bread you've
been eating for decades.

Seattle wants to be Detroit,
and it's succeeding.

12,112 homeless in Seattle.
Hordes of thieving junkies.

Negative interest rates.
Negative risk premiums.

What could go wrong ?
■
Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.9--11.07pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
      What could go wrong ?

12,112 homeless in Seattle.
Hordes of thieving junkies.
Negative interest rates.
Negative risk premiums.
What could go wrong ?
■
    .  Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.7--5.14pm.Seattle.2020
Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.7--5.44pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
      Shrinking banks.

Amazing, shrinking banks:
https://fingfx.thomsonreuters.com/gfx/buzzifr/15/8577/8577/Pasted%20Image.jpg
https://fingfx.thomsonreuters.com/gfx/buzzifr/15/8569/8569/Pasted%20Image.jpg

EuroZone banks lost 85% of their 2007 value;
their earnings track 10y bund yields:
https://fingfx.thomsonreuters.com/gfx/buzzifr/15/8574/8574/Pasted%20Image.jpg
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.7--5.14pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
Shrinking banks.

Amazing, shrinking banks:
https://fingfx.thomsonreuters.com/gfx/buzzifr/15/8569/8569/Pasted%20Image.jpg

EuroZone banks lost 85% of their 2007 value;
their earnings track 10y bund yields:
https://fingfx.thomsonreuters.com/gfx/buzzifr/15/8574/8574/Pasted%20Image.jpg
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              pjp│pjpoirierislocated@hotmail_  MPG.38c919fc736648da95@news.eternal-september.org
            SpamBot  hca9pqFu5sdU1@mid.individual.net
          Ken_Springer│wordworks  r3p7lg$1m4$1@news.albasani.net
        nospam│nospam@nospam_invalid  040320201736390297%nospam@nospam.invalid
      Ken_Springer│wordworks  r3tlm0$3d1$1@news.albasani.net
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.6--4.23pm.Seattle.2020
  Alt.Privacy.Anon-Server, Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Comp.Sys.Mac.System, Misc.Phone.Mobile.Iphone
    ╱ 3  m10 Cool; 3.6 Hours, Thoth➤Mac, Eternal-September.ORG,  Mar  6 { 11:56am, 2020 }:19^(-5)  XრΩʋ
      ObamaCare ruled unconstitutional.

According to Wikipedia...

December 14, 2018, Judge O'Connor ruled that
The Affordable Care Act is no longer constitutional.

In December of 2019, the Fifth Circuit agreed that
the individual mandate was unconstitutional.

The Supreme Court accepted the case in March 2020,
but to be heard in the 2020-2021 term,
with the ruling likely falling after the 2020 elections.
■
              .  r3ofkh$1a81$2@gioia.aioe.org
            .  chine.bleu-816146.11350104032020@reader.eternal-september.org
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.4--4.54pm.Seattle.2020
        Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  4rn06fd5a96h5cv5i1f0e81eop2i4apr6j@4ax.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.4--8.14pm.Seattle.2020
    BranimirMaksimovic  X1l8G.580937$_R5.417930@fx19.am4
Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.6--0.46am.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m4 Shifty; 3.3 Hours, slrn➤Linux, Usenet-News.NET,  Mar  5 {  9:17pm, 2020 }:43  Xრqქ
      Forcing "Granny" out of her home.

Branimir replied ( to me ):
> > Governments are pricing people out of the rental market.
> > 54 % of Seattle households rent.
> > 12,112 people are homeless.
> 
> How so ? In USA ?

Yes, in Seattle Washington, where I live. 

The government is "printing" ( i.e. borrowing )
money so fast, and lying about the subsequent inflation, 
it's forcing "Granny" out of her home.
■
              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.4--5.58pm.Seattle.2020
            anonlinuxuser│linuxuser@none_  r3pplm$50k$1@dont-email.me
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.4--8.36pm.Seattle.2020
        anonlinuxuser│linuxuser@noone_  r3q3nj$fna$1@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.5--0.17am.Seattle.2020
    anonlinuxuser│linuxuser@none_  r3r8eb$hhn$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.5--11.35am.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m4 Shifty; 2.6 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤X11, Eternal-September.ORG,  Mar  5 {  8:13am, 2020 }:  ^(-7)  XჟШy
      Capitalism had nothing to do with it, nothing.

Someone replied ( to me ):
> > More loans == More money == Inflation.
> > No one borrows more than the government.
> > 
> > If the government didn't flood the markets with cash,
> > Granny could afford to rent.
> 
> Inflation is caused by this insane banking system... 

Every loan magically produces money out of thin air.

And the government borrows like there's no tomorrow.

Submissive Banks do the government's bidding.

The Freddie Mac, Fannie Mae, 
and repo fiascos are ongoing.

The Fed's balance sheet still contains plenty of
(unwanted) mortgage-backed securities.

All thanks to government carelessness;
capitalism had nothing to do with it, nothing.

> [The dollar] used to be backed by gold.

Those days are long gone.
Today, the government "prints" (borrows) like mad
and then covers it up via fake inflation indices.
■
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.4--5.58pm.Seattle.2020
        anonlinuxuser│linuxuser@none_  r3pplm$50k$1@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.4--8.36pm.Seattle.2020
    anonlinuxuser│linuxuser@noone_  r3q3nj$fna$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.5--0.17am.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m3 Shifty; 1.2 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Mac, Eternal-September.ORG,  Mar  4 {  9:46pm, 2020 }:23^(-7)  XჟΒЕ
      The government doesn't need/want bankers.

The government doesn't need/want bankers.

More loans == More money == Inflation.

No one borrows more than the government.

In Seattle, my hometown,
rents went up 68% from 2010 to 2017.

If you're on a fixed income,
and the government lies to you,
telling you that inflation is 1 %,
you end up on the streets.

54 % of Seattle households rent.

12,112 of us are homeless.

If the government didn't flood the markets with cash,
Granny could afford to rent.
■
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.4--5.58pm.Seattle.2020
    anonlinuxuser│linuxuser@noone_  r3pplm$50k$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.4--8.36pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m3 Shifty; 1.5 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Mac, Eternal-September.ORG,  Mar  4 {  6:54pm, 2020 }:46^(-7)  Xჟʕk
      How do you think they're funded ? taxes ?

Someone replied ( to me ):
> > Governments everywhere, all the time,
> > -love- to print money; and they hide the inflation.
> > 
> > So if you're on a fixed income, as many are,
> > you can't afford rent.
> 
> The government doesn't print the money... 

Like hell it doesn't.

Argentina, Venezuela, Zimbabwe and Brazil
don't print money like mad, always ?!

How do you think they're funded ? taxes ?
■
              Checkmate│More_Bull_Schiff  cvl1l1.cvb.17.65@news.alt.net
            MrChrisV  cedv5fpqq2mlaidopeja9nj07iuejn2j0d@4ax.com
          .  r3ofkh$1a81$2@gioia.aioe.org
        .  chine.bleu-816146.11350104032020@reader.eternal-september.org
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.4--4.54pm.Seattle.2020
    Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  4rn06fd5a96h5cv5i1f0e81eop2i4apr6j@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.4--8.14pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m34 Cool; 1.4 Hours, F_Agent, Θ,  Mar  4 {  6:11pm, 2020 }:20^(-5)  Xჟʍю
      12,112 people are homeless.

Hømer replied ( to me ):
> > Governments are pricing people out of the rental market.
> 
> Fuck renters.  Fucking lazy bums need to
> get a well-paying job and buy a home of their own.

54 % of Seattle households rent.

12,112 people are homeless.

If the government didn't flood the markets with cash,
Granny could afford to rent.

> Renters don't have any pride of ownership 
> so they end up trashing rental housing.

Very true.
■
Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.4--5.58pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
      Sanders, Biden or Trump, it's all the same.

Sanders, Biden or Trump, it's all the same.

Governments everywhere, all the time,
-love- to print money; and they hide the inflation.

So if you're on a fixed income, as many are,
you can't afford rent.
■
              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.3--7.11pm.Seattle.2020
            MrChrisV  opbv5f59a4c7h2s2t0nmdla7cqn651ao9c@4ax.com
          Checkmate│More_Bull_Schiff  cvl1l1.cvb.17.65@news.alt.net
        MrChrisV  cedv5fpqq2mlaidopeja9nj07iuejn2j0d@4ax.com
      mixed_nuts│melopsitticus  r3ofkh$1a81$2@gioia.aioe.org
    Siri_Cruise│chine_bleu@yahoo_  chine.bleu-816146.11350104032020@reader.eternal-september.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.4--4.54pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m5 Dropped; 1.3 Hours, NewsWatcher➤Mac, Eternal-September.ORG,  Mar  4 { 11:35am, 2020 }:10^(-8)  XჟɁф
      Governments are pricing people out of the rental market.

"Siri Cruise" replied:
> >>>>> A tsunami of cash, pouring into the markets,
> >>>>> is pricing people out of the rental market.
> 
> This is an example of how capitalism harms society...

Governments are pricing people out of the rental market.

Governments, all around the world, acting in unison, 
produced this flood of money.

Capitalism had nothing to do with it.
■
              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.24--5.11pm.Seattle.2020
            Pandora│pandora@peak_org  cv072t.bog.17.2@news.alt.net
          Checkmate│More_Bull_Schiff  cvgf47.6nr.19.1@news.alt.net
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.2--1.44pm.Seattle.2020
      Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  nk0r5f59cqjsu10o8a3o79j6hdhvvrkd8a@4ax.com
    Checkmate│More_Bull_Schiff  cvkkqp.cvb.17.46@news.alt.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.4--3.25am.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 5  m104 Cool; 32.2 Minutes, MicroPlanet, Alt.NET,  Mar  4 {  2:18am, 2020 }:30^(-8)  XპქU
      I have no fear.

Nine people have died from the Chinese flu,
here in my state, Washington; but
I don't know anyone who's been sick from it.

I've been working with a guy who escaped 
Shanghai right before the last flight out,
near the end of January, 35 days ago.

It took him 5 hours to get to the airport,
instead of 30 minutes, due to road-blocks.

He raises live chickens at his Mercer Island
mansion; so his meat and eggs are fresh.

Imagine that, slaughtering a live chicken,
and plucking it, when you want to eat it;
for me, heating-up a frozen dinner is laborious.

In China, people happily pay a premium
for wild-caught meat, hanging in the market,
unrefrigerated -- food safety is an issue.

No one trusts baby-formula made in China;
foreign versions are traded on the (huge)
black market, alongside European chocolates.

In China, not even Walmart carries cheese;
they eat some kind of "oxen", not beef.
Rats and dogs are on the menu. 

Walking along the street, here in Seattle,
I see Chinese people wearing facemasks.

Still, I have no fear.
■
              MrChrisV  lnns5f9le9vacl0ipo661u0biavnd8qkfv@4ax.com
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.3--8.50am.Seattle.2020
          MrChrisV  2b6t5f56hgbjihcqclcedq573aqdkp56bl@4ax.com
        Skeeter│Scoot@invalid_invalid  o5nt5f5fgh8jgg0oeid55gkcc9noartj82@4ax.com
      PeeScent  cvjcet.fjj.17.1@news.alt.net
    Checkmate│More_Bull_Schiff  cvk8im.cvb.17.36@news.alt.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.3--11.39pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m98 Cool; 1 Minutes, MicroPlanet, Alt.NET,  Mar  3 { 10:49pm, 2020 }:23^(-8)  Xპтɓ
      Trinity Orchestra plays Pink Floyd.

" Trinity Orchestra [ Trinity College, Dublin ]
  plays Pink Floyd's 'The Dark Side of the Moon' 
  - 'Time' and 'Breathe (Reprise)' "

www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnB4spzCVEc

■
Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.3--7.11pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
      Pricing people out of the rental market.

A tsunami of cash, pouring into the markets, 
is pricing people out of the rental market.

On the bright side:
-- Oil is cheap.
-- Asia still has a great work ethic.
-- Singapore is a duplicatable success story.
■
            .  2tkt4f9c36rm7juviiughpj9o2dp0l16od@4ax.com
          .  cve4qh.fj1.17.9@news.alt.net
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.1--3.18pm.Seattle.2020
      BenJacoby  r3i4qt$16ua$1@gioia.aioe.org
    HughHuntzinger  d51d1f29-ac72-4c20-8b6c-f36718a668ee@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.2--1.03pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 3  m39 Cool; 5 Hours, GoogleG, 173.70.116.6,  Mar  2 {  4: 1am, 2020 }: 2^(PST)  XოϠȴ
      The contrast.

Hugh Huntzinger wrote:
> I do expect next Friday's market 
> to once again be flat or down...

The recent drop in the stock market
was attributed to China's flu.

Viruses are everywhere, all the time;
stress is the reason the 1918 flu killed
6 x more people than the war itself.

China's cure is worse than the disease.

The stock market is bursting with money;
a cash tsunami.

Negative interest rates, negative risk premiums.

No one, anywhere, is concerned about rising debt,
especially not the government.

Meanwhile, GenZ has given up hope of renting,
much less owning, a place to stay.

See the contrast ?
■
              BenJacoby  r3i4qt$16ua$1@gioia.aioe.org
            .  d51d1f29-ac72-4c20-8b6c-f36718a668ee@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.2--1.03pm.Seattle.2020
        .  3781bc61-16c8-4f03-99c4-8d2b67dd8548@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.2--5.19pm.Seattle.2020
    MrChrisV  lnns5f9le9vacl0ipo661u0biavnd8qkfv@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.3--8.50am.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 3  m16 Dropped; 2.8 Hours, F_Agent, Fastusenet.ORG,  Mar  3 {  5:45am, 2020 }:23^(-6)  Xპʉδ
      Entropy solves everything ?!

MrChrisV replied ( to me ):
> > Billie Eilish for president, 2020.
> 
> Bland and boring, IMO.

" Billie is the youngest person,
  and second person ever,
  to win the four main Grammy categories,
  ( Best New Artist, Record of the Year,
    Song of the Year, and Album of the Year ), 
  in the same year. "

> > Boomers are hoarding all the cash;
> > GenZ isn't getting any of it.
> 
> We can't live forever.

Entropy solves everything ?!
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.24--5.11pm.Seattle.2020
            Pandora│pandora@peak_org  cv072t.bog.17.2@news.alt.net
          Checkmate│More_Bull_Schiff  cvgf47.6nr.19.1@news.alt.net
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.2--1.44pm.Seattle.2020
      Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  nk0r5f59cqjsu10o8a3o79j6hdhvvrkd8a@4ax.com
    MrChrisV  dkms5f53ets2bpjucsqmug05t1r14pqcek@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.3--5.36am.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m14 Dropped; 27 Secs, F_Agent, Fastusenet.ORG,  Mar  3 {  5:27am, 2020 }:46^(-6)  Xპʆϑ
      Vittles Vault.

MrChrisV noted:
> Anyone who shits in a bucket, 
> like Relf does, can't be too afraid of germs.

I shit into a soup ladle, then
transfer it to a Vittles Vault;
so there's no smell.

It's better-n-cheaper than what you have, Chris.

And I don't need 1 car, much less 3 of them,
as you do.

> Actually, viruses avoid Relf.
> They are afraid that he'll infect them.

True.
■
              BenJacoby  r3i4qt$16ua$1@gioia.aioe.org
            .  d51d1f29-ac72-4c20-8b6c-f36718a668ee@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.2--1.03pm.Seattle.2020
        .  3781bc61-16c8-4f03-99c4-8d2b67dd8548@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.2--5.19pm.Seattle.2020
    BranimirMaksimovic  iki7G.438051$co3.325065@fx11.am4
Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.2--6.16pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m1 Shifty; 38.6 Minutes, slrn➤Linux, Usenet-News.NET,  Mar  2 {  5:23pm, 2020 }:26  XპDე
      Beyond Meat, Beyond Beef, sound amazing.

Branimir replied ( to me ):
> > Billie Eilish for president, 2020.
> > Boomers are hoarding all the cash;
> > GenZ isn't getting any of it.
> 
> Why her ?

Because she's young, rich and popular.

> Was she raised vegan ?

Yes.

> Vegans are most biggoted and annoying persons...

Yes but, at times, impoverished-Asian-style 
food is a nice alternative.

Beyond Meat, Beyond Beef, sound amazing,
and they're good for the environment;
however, they're too bougie/expensive.
■
              .  cve4qh.fj1.17.9@news.alt.net
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.1--3.18pm.Seattle.2020
          BenJacoby  r3i4qt$16ua$1@gioia.aioe.org
        HughHuntzinger  d51d1f29-ac72-4c20-8b6c-f36718a668ee@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.2--1.03pm.Seattle.2020
    HughHuntzinger  3781bc61-16c8-4f03-99c4-8d2b67dd8548@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.2--5.19pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 3  m39 Cool; 2 Hours, GoogleG, 129.139.180.135,  Mar  2 {  2:13pm, 2020 }:12^(PST)  XოფȾ
      Billie Eilish for president, 2020.

Hugh Huntzinger replied ( to me ):
> > GenZ has given up hope of renting,
> > much less owning, a place to stay.
> 
> It's mostly Boomers who are being blind to reality.

Billie Eilish for president, 2020.

Boomers are hoarding all the cash;
GenZ isn't getting any of it.
■
              Pandora│pandora@peak_org  cuu9jo.n3c.19.1@news.alt.net
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.24--3.00pm.Seattle.2020
          Pandora│pandora@peak_org  cuucm1.qjm.19.1@news.alt.net
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.24--5.11pm.Seattle.2020
      Pandora│pandora@peak_org  cv072t.bog.17.2@news.alt.net
    Checkmate│More_Bull_Schiff  cvgf47.6nr.19.1@news.alt.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.2--1.44pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m13 Cool; 1.2 Hours, MicroPlanet, Θ,  Mar  2 {   :16pm, 2020 }:36^(-8)  XოაТ
      Kim Jong Un.

The lion's "pride" is a harem of females/offspring.

One male ( Kim Jong Un ) fucks/sleeps all day;
the rest are off on their own.

It works, it's natural.
■
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.1--2.22pm.Seattle.2020
        PeeScent  cve2fh.3s7.19.1@news.alt.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.1--2.57pm.Seattle.2020
    PeeScent  cve4j6.11u.17.1@news.alt.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.2--1.08am.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    --Robot, 9.7 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Θ,  Mar  1 {  3: 4pm, 2020 }:37^(-7)  XოɮУ
      In the song, the mother didn't get a bag of dope.

PeeScent replied ( to me ):
> > A mother pimped her 12-year-old virgin daughter
> > for a bag of dope.
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vffJ63TnXhw
>
> It's been a country song for years.
> [ See: "Fancy" by Reba McEntire ]

In the song, the mother didn't get a bag of dope,
and the daughter wound up rich and famous,
not a beat up, half dead, homeless whore.
■
      Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  2tkt4f9c36rm7juviiughpj9o2dp0l16od@4ax.com
    Checkmate│More_Bull_Schiff  cve4qh.fj1.17.9@news.alt.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.1--3.18pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m85 Cool; 4.2 Minutes, MicroPlanet, Θ,  Mar  1 {  3: 8pm, 2020 }:31^(-8)  Xოɯʗ
      China is overreacting.

The world is overreacting;
China is overreacting.

Millions of Americans catch the flu, every year;
tens of thousands of us die, every year, in America.
■
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.1--2.22pm.Seattle.2020
    PeeScent  cve2fh.3s7.19.1@news.alt.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.1--2.57pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    --Robot, 14.4 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Θ,  Mar  1 {  2:28pm, 2020 }:31^(-7)  XოɨН
      A toe tapper.

PeeScent replied ( to me ):
> > A mother pimped her 12-year-old virgin daughter
> > for a bag of dope.
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vffJ63TnXhw
> 
> it's been a country song for years
                         
Really ?!   Can you name it ?

It sounds like a real toe tapper.
■
Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.1--2.22pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
      Society didn't offer anything better.

A mother pimped her 12-year-old virgin daughter
for a bag of dope.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vffJ63TnXhw

Obviously, that was her best life, because 
society didn't offer her anything better.
■
    joshipura@gmail_com  996978f2-e99a-428c-a26f-1f9b34269ceb@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.1--1.29am.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m2 Shifty; 2.1 Hours, GoogleG, 49.205.216.213,  Feb 29 { 10:44pm, 2020 }:43^(PST)  Xნсʣ
      We consume what nature gave us, same as the sun.

JoshIpura wrote:
> Observation:
> 1. ( Approx. Newton's first law ) 
> Nothing can change its state by itself
> 
> Now the question is:
> 5. Is such a chain convergent or divergent?
> finite or infinite ?

Intrinsically, it's infinite, eternal;
but all observations are finite.

We're talking "thermodynamics"; specifically, 
spontaneous changes from the less probable
to the more probable.

Rolling "snake eyes" ( 1, 1 ) is less probable
than rolling a 7 ( 3, 4; 5,2; 1, 6; ... ).

  In physics, entropy is how evenly
  heat/matter  are distributed.

  Our  hot/dense  sun evaporates into 
  the  cold/sparse  vacuum,
  losing 4.3 million tons each second.

  Our Universe is going from infinitely
  hot/dense  to infinitely  cold/sparse.

  "God" (nature) programmed us to ride this wave 
  ( i.e. to sustainably consume residual eXergy ),
  same as the sun.

We consume what nature gave us, same as the sun.
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    joshipura@gmail_com  1b1cb5cb-bd6e-48fd-8e1c-288efacecf5e@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.1--1.12am.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 2  m2 Shifty; 2.3 Hours, GoogleG, 49.205.216.213,  Feb 29 { 10:34pm, 2020 }:42^(PST)  XნпШ
      Photons are absorbed and re-emitted.

Some kid asked JoshIpura:
> if light leaves a denser medium
> to a lighter medium, its velocity increases. 
> 
> That means it accelerated for a moment. 
> That means there was a force. 
> Question: What generated that force?

In the absence of a vacuum,
photons are absorbed and re-emitted.

An electron might absorb a photon,
if it's the right frequency,
and get pushed into a higher, discrete "orbit" 
( a new probability distribution, actually ).

Such "orbits" are discrete, not continuous.

Later, the electron might emit a photon,
at a certain, specific frequency,
sending the electron down to a lower "orbit".
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          Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  r36d8c$18hf$1@gioia.aioe.org
        whodat│whodat@avoid_void_net  r36hf5$m6$1@dont-email.me
      Roy_Masters│noemail@invalid_  r36tbi$1lmv$1@gioia.aioe.org
    Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  r377ed$11e2$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.26--7.01pm.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics, Sci.Math
    ╱ 2  m233 Mad; 21.8 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win7, Aioe.ORG,  Feb 26 {  5:53pm, 2020 }:13^(-6)  XლАч
      Every man gets a blonde ( Hitler excluded ).

Sergio wrote:
> In the Norwegian system, each family gets 1 carp a day.

And every man gets a blonde ( Hitler excluded ).
■
              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.24--9.22am.Seattle.2020
            Pandora│pandora@peak_org  cuu9jo.n3c.19.1@news.alt.net
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.24--3.00pm.Seattle.2020
        Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  hbmdg3Fnk1uU1@mid.individual.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.26--10.10am.Seattle.2020
    MsNadegda  r36tmu$hsb$55@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.26--6.50pm.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m64 Dropped; 3.1 Hours, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Feb 26 {  3: 7pm, 2020 }:10  Xლϗȼ
      Sylvia Else.

MsNadegda replied ( to me ):
> > Thanks for popping my bubble, Sylvia.
> 
> Oh, is *that* what the kids are calling it these days?

What ? sex ?  I wish ( only with her ).

I'd -love- to know more about her.

She has a PowerWall ( Tesla Energy ).
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          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.24--9.22am.Seattle.2020
        Pandora│pandora@peak_org  cuu9jo.n3c.19.1@news.alt.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.24--3.00pm.Seattle.2020
    Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  hbmdg3Fnk1uU1@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.26--10.10am.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m1 Top; 2 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win7, Θ,  Feb 25 {  9:20pm, 2020 }: 3^(11)  Xლrɻ
      People who want to die/breed young.

Sylvia Else replied ( to me ):
> > > The richer and more educated a woman is,
> > > the less likely she is to bear children.
>
> It's a temporary phenomenon. 
> 
> Eventually almost all humans on the planet 
> will be the descendents of women who were 
> genetically predisposed to wanting lots of children. 
> 
> The population crisis will resume,
> and be much less amenable to a solution.

Thanks for popping my bubble, Sylvia.

Many factors are more powerful than genetics;
only time will tell, and I won't be here then.

I'm seeing a lot of thrillseekers these days,
people who want to die/breed young.

P.S. Have you ever worked for the Dubbo observatory:
https://d218r57cmet8do.cloudfront.net/resized/images/Attractions/5807/VISIT-ATTRACTIONS-Dubbo-Observatory-The-Night-Sky-In-Front-Of-The-Dubbo-Observatory_c71962a7b05c82593331ca8edd8a4606_479563a2c7160745098f245aa2fd8f14.jpg
■
              .  cv0esb.f70.19.1@news.alt.net
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.25--11.52am.Seattle.2020
          MsNadegda  r33v8t$hsb$46@dont-email.me
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.25--0.39pm.Seattle.2020
      MsNadegda  r342bm$hsb$48@dont-email.me
    Jack_Shit│neam@invalid_invalid  pjbb5fpooek9ofn25uljqqnl1skoqj3gif@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.25--3.51pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m2 Shifty; 5.3 Minutes, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Feb 25 {  3:32pm, 2020 }:47^(-7)  Xკჱʧ
      Only the first in line will get paid.

Jack_Shit replied ( to MsNadegda ):
> > Build public housing NOW !
> 
> Have you been around public housing ? 
> I wouldn't send my worst enemy to such a place.

True.
How does she plan on paying for it ?

It was the government's endless need for debt, 
supplied by the central bank,
that created the negative interest rates, 
and the negative risk premiums, not "banksters".

It's a Ponzi scheme and, 
like all Ponzi schemes,
only the first in line will get paid.

Trump was born on third base, 
yet imagines he hit a triple.
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              Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  r33itp$4as$2@gioia.aioe.org
            Pandora│pandora@peak_org  cv0esb.f70.19.1@news.alt.net
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.25--11.52am.Seattle.2020
        .  r33v8t$hsb$46@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.25--0.39pm.Seattle.2020
    BenJacoby  r342io$fa4$4@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.25--3.17pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m6 Dropped; 1.3 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Aioe.ORG,  Feb 25 {  1:11pm, 2020 }:52^(-5)  Xკკხ
      Be first in line.

Ben Jacoby replied ( to me ):
> > It was the government's endless need for debt,
> > supplied by the central bank,
> > that created the negative interest rates,
> > and the negative risk premiums, not "banksters".
> 
> Government debt is a wonderful thing
> because, unlike you and me, 
> they don't have to pay it back.

The S&P 500 went up 29% last year;
Bernie Madoff would never be so bold.

Once people start cashing out,
best be first in line,
because there isn't enough to pay everyone.

Cheap oil helps, seriously.
■
              Paul│nospam@needed_invalid  r1nvfv$5av$1@dont-email.me
            Arlen_Holder│arlen_george_  r1r1s9$cvm$1@news.mixmin.net
          MrChrisV  8vo24fhh3jp4h201uid6vnhoo6kaqc5ps3@4ax.com
        Arlen_Holder│arlen_george_  r1t20q$lf7$8@news.mixmin.net
      .  r32lfn$9ib$1@dont-email.me
    gazelle@shell_xmission_com  r33srk$gmb$1@news.xmission.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.25--0.52pm.Seattle.2020
  Alt.OS.Linux, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Comp.Sys.Mac.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m1 Shifty; 1.2 Hours, trn, Xmission.COM,  Feb 25 { 11:34am, 2020 }:12  XკщϺ
      Dainty iPhones.

Unlike Linux, Windows 10 -can- be configured properly.

It's difficult to do;
hence the popularity of (dainty) iPhones.
■
              .  r31o5a$1igr$2@gioia.aioe.org
            .  cv06sn.bog.17.1@news.alt.net
          .  r33itp$4as$2@gioia.aioe.org
        .  cv0esb.f70.19.1@news.alt.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.25--11.52am.Seattle.2020
    MsNadegda  r33v8t$hsb$46@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.25--0.39pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m1seas5 Dropped; 17.2 Minutes, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Feb 25 {   :15pm, 2020 }:25  Xკაζ
      The government's endless need for debt.

MsNadegda replied ( to me ):
> > If your young, "healthy" kid is living the 
> > "alternative lifestyle" that's so popular these days,
> > you're stuck with him for the rest of your life.
> 
> Blame a bankster.

It was the government's endless need for debt, 
supplied by the central bank,
that created the negative interest rates, 
and the negative risk premiums, not "banksters".

And that has nothing to do with the parasites
that (foolish) women are popping out these days.

The richer and more educated a woman is,
the less likely she is to bear children.
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              Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  9opa5fl798c2ac9avu5sdg7f1sj41chmo6@4ax.com
            Lynn_McGuire│lyrnmcguire5  r33q0r$c89$11@news.mixmin.net
          Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  cjra5fh7as8cbtndof5ja2o68ohi27g6um@4ax.com
        MsNadegda  r33tsg$hsb$38@dont-email.me
      Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  srua5fdeasqp50ff83tqk9spk7m1c2do06@4ax.com
    Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  r33v66$1vls$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.25--0.31pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m7 Cool; 1.4 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win7, Aioe.ORG,  Feb 25 {   :13pm, 2020 }:55^(-6)  Xკაɳ
      Blaming "it" (sex) on Eve's desire for penis.

Sergio wrote:
> Adam and Eve, Eve brought her snake....

The snake is a euphemism for "penis".

And it was the man, Adam,
who fell for the vagina.

Blaming "it" (sex) on Eve's desire for penis
is ridiculous, juvenile.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.24--5.11pm.Seattle.2020
            MsNadegda  r320ac$hsb$36@dont-email.me
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.24--9.12pm.Seattle.2020
        MsNadegda  r33u3o$hsb$40@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.25--0.03pm.Seattle.2020
    MsNadegda  r33v2o$hsb$44@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.25--0.22pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m14 Dropped; 3.2 Minutes, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Feb 25 {   :12pm, 2020 }: 9  Xკა9
      I'm more inclined to (fully) trust women.

MsNadegda replied ( to me ):
> > We shouldn't (fully) trust anyone,
> > no matter how fantastic we think they might be.
> 
> So, your defense against the charge of misogyny is 
> "no, actually I'm a full-blown misanthropist"?

What part of
" no matter how fantastic we think they might be "
don't you understand ?

Does a misanthropist think everyone is fantastic ?

> Doesn't fly, because you specifically singled out 
> women to accuse of being untrustworthy as a group. 
> That's misogyny, any way you slice it.

I'm more inclined to (fully) trust women;
hence the caution against it.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.24--3.00pm.Seattle.2020
            Pandora│pandora@peak_org  cuucm1.qjm.19.1@news.alt.net
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.24--5.11pm.Seattle.2020
        MsNadegda  r320ac$hsb$36@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.24--9.12pm.Seattle.2020
    MsNadegda  r33u3o$hsb$40@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.25--0.03pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m53 Dropped; 1.2 Minutes, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Feb 25 { 11:55am, 2020 }:36  Xკэɠ
      We shouldn't (fully) trust anyone.

MsNadegda replied ( to me ):
> > Respecting a woman's right to change her mind
> > is not the hallmark of a misogynist;
> > nor does it imply that women are somehow "liars".
> 
> No, but you claiming "trusting a woman is like 
> building a mansion on a shifting sand dune" DOES, 
> you misogynistic piece of shit.

We shouldn't (fully) trust anyone,
no matter how fantastic we think they might be.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.24--9.22am.Seattle.2020
            Pandora│pandora@peak_org  cuu9jo.n3c.19.1@news.alt.net
          Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  r31o5a$1igr$2@gioia.aioe.org
        Pandora│pandora@peak_org  cv06sn.bog.17.1@news.alt.net
      Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  r33itp$4as$2@gioia.aioe.org
    Pandora│pandora@peak_org  cv0esb.f70.19.1@news.alt.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.25--11.52am.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m6 Shifty; 1.1 Hours, Pan, Alt.NET,  Feb 25 { 10:34am, 2020 }:17  XკпϿ
      You're stuck with him for the rest of your life.

Pandora replied ( to Sergio ):
> > > > the richer and more educated a kid is,
> > > > the less likely they will deal with parents.
> > > 
> > > I have no idea what you mean by that.
> > > 
> > yea, it came out lame
> 
> Would you care to explain it ?

If your young, "healthy" kid is living the 
"alternative lifestyle" that's so popular these days,
you're stuck with him for the rest of your life.
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              Pandora│pandora@peak_org  cuu9jo.n3c.19.1@news.alt.net
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.24--3.00pm.Seattle.2020
          Pandora│pandora@peak_org  cuucm1.qjm.19.1@news.alt.net
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.24--5.11pm.Seattle.2020
      Pandora│pandora@peak_org  cv072t.bog.17.2@news.alt.net
    Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  9opa5fl798c2ac9avu5sdg7f1sj41chmo6@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.25--11.46am.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 3  m103 Cool; 1.2 Hours, F_Agent, Alt.NET,  Feb 25 { 10:28am, 2020 }:25^(-5)  XკоЗ
      I respect a woman's right to change her mind.

Hømer replied ( to Pandora ):
> > > No one is being insulted.
> >
> > You [Jeff] don't like or trust women.
> 
> Jeff is a smart man! 
> It's smart to not trust a snake.

I respect a woman's right to change her mind;
affection has nothing to do with it.

Trusting a woman is like building a mansion on 
a shifting sand dune -- blown by the winds of 
information, oil, drugs, and money.
■
      .  r31n7n$hsb$32@dont-email.me
    ScottDoty  hbkaurFa55qU2@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.25--9.25am.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 9  m22 Cool; 6.2 Hours, Pan, Individual.NET,  Feb 25 {  2:24am, 2020 }:27  XკωR
      People are getting weak/sick.

Real interest rates are negative;
risk premiums are negative.

California AB5 is spreading; if you don't join a union,
and work your ass off for people who hate you,
78-year-old Bernie Sanders will fuck you over.

The vacancy rate of my rooming house 
is the highest I've seen, last 9 years.

Crappy tenants moved in;
better tenants moved out.

Fraternities to my north and south vacated;
the buildings' futures are uncertain.

China and Hong Kong are shutting down;
people are getting weak/sick.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.24--9.22am.Seattle.2020
            Pandora│pandora@peak_org  cuu9jo.n3c.19.1@news.alt.net
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.24--3.00pm.Seattle.2020
        Pandora│pandora@peak_org  cuucm1.qjm.19.1@news.alt.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.24--5.11pm.Seattle.2020
    MsNadegda  r320ac$hsb$36@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.24--9.12pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    -Dropped, 2.8 Hours, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Feb 24 {  6:21pm, 2020 }:    XკʏΕ
      Respecting a woman's right to change her mind.

MsNadegda replied ( to me ):
> > > > Trusting a woman is like building a mansion on 
> > > > a shifting sand dune -- blown by the winds of 
> > > > information, oil, drugs, and money.
> > > 
> > > Ah, one of those guys are you ?
> > 
> > Yes, I understand and respect a woman's independence.
> > 
> > No one is being insulted.
> 
> ... says the misogynist who just called women, 
> as a group, all liars.

Respecting a woman's right to change her mind
is not the hallmark of a misogynist;
nor does it imply that women are somehow "liars".
■
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.24--9.22am.Seattle.2020
          Pandora│pandora@peak_org  cuu9jo.n3c.19.1@news.alt.net
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.24--3.00pm.Seattle.2020
      Pandora│pandora@peak_org  cuucm1.qjm.19.1@news.alt.net
    .  Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.24--5.11pm.Seattle.2020
Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.24--9.02pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m2 Shifty; 1.2 Hours, Pan, Θ,  Feb 24 {  3:44pm, 2020 }:31  Xკɵʗ
      I understand and respect a woman's independence.

Pandora replied ( to me ):
> > Trusting a woman is like building a mansion on 
> > a shifting sand dune -- blown by the winds of 
> > information, oil, drugs, and money.
> 
> Ah, one of those guys are you ?

Yes, I understand and respect a woman's independence.
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          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.24--9.22am.Seattle.2020
        MsNadegda  r31chr$hsb$25@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.24--1.17pm.Seattle.2020
    MsNadegda  r31ll6$hsb$30@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.24--5.27pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m5 Dropped; 2 Hours, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Feb 24 {  3:19pm, 2020 }: 2  Xკɱȴ
      Destroying the planet.

MsNadegda replied ( to me ):
> > Trusting a woman is like building a mansion on 
> > a shifting sand dune -- blown by the winds of 
> > information, oil, drugs, and money.
> 
> Shaddup, misogynist.

"Shaddup misogynist" is not an argument.

> > Bernie is 78 years old;
> > he hasn't updated his "software" recently, I suspect.
> 
> Kook.

"Kook" is not an argument.

The richer and more educated a woman is,
the less likely she is to bear children.

Bernie Sanders wants us to earn enough money
to produce children, destroying the planet.

If we don't, he'll block our livelihoods.
See: California AB5.
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          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.24--9.22am.Seattle.2020
        Pandora│pandora@peak_org  cuu9jo.n3c.19.1@news.alt.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.24--3.00pm.Seattle.2020
    Pandora│pandora@peak_org  cuucm1.qjm.19.1@news.alt.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.24--5.11pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m2 Shifty; 1.2 Hours, Pan, Θ,  Feb 24 {  3:44pm, 2020 }:31  Xკɵʗ
      Fewer children per woman per lifetime.

Pandora replied ( to me ):
> > > > The richer and more educated a woman is,
> > > > the less likely she is to bear children.
> > > 
> > > Not necessarily.
> > 
> > Yes, necessarily.
> 
> Nope.  I notice you snipped my evidence
> ( admittedly anecdotal )...

I sure as hell did,
and I replaced it with:

  https://www.statista.com/statistics/1033027/fertility-rate-us-1800-2020/
  http://Jeff-Relf.Me/Global.Fertility.Rates.PNG

> [ your links indicate ] that educated women
> have fewer children -- not necessarily none.

Please don't play dumb;
"Less likely to bear children" means:

  Fewer children per woman per lifetime.

The richer and more educated a woman is,
the less likely she is to bear children.

> > Trusting a woman is like building a mansion on 
> > a shifting sand dune -- blown by the winds of 
> > information, oil, drugs, and money.
> 
> Ah, one of those are you ?  Got it.

One what ?!  I'm oil, drugs and/or money ?!

Calm down.
No one is being insulted.
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      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.24--9.22am.Seattle.2020
    Pandora│pandora@peak_org  cuu9jo.n3c.19.1@news.alt.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.24--3.00pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m1 Shifty; 3 Minutes, Pan, Θ,  Feb 24 {  2:52pm, 2020 }: 6  Xკɬϴ
      Can you dispute these reports ?

Pandora replied ( to me ):
> > The richer and more educated a woman is,
> > the less likely she is to bear children.
> 
> Not necessarily.

Yes, necessarily.

Unless you can dispute these reports:

  https://www.statista.com/statistics/1033027/fertility-rate-us-1800-2020/
  http://Jeff-Relf.Me/Global.Fertility.Rates.PNG

Trusting a woman is like building a mansion on 
a shifting sand dune -- blown by the winds of 
information, oil, drugs, and money.
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      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.24--9.22am.Seattle.2020
    MsNadegda  r31chr$hsb$25@dont-email.me
JeffRelf    Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.24--1.17pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
  ╳ m43 Top; 1.6 Hours, X.HTM, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Feb 24 {  1:17pm, 2020 }:29^(Seattle)  Xკɜთ
The United Nations needs your updates/corrections.

MsNadegda replied ( to me ):
> > The richer and more educated a woman is,
> > the less likely she is to bear children.
> 
> Weird misogynist claptrap.
> The cause of your woes is not women.

You're the one with all the "woes", not me.

Fact:

  https://www.statista.com/statistics/1033027/fertility-rate-us-1800-2020/
  http://Jeff-Relf.Me/Global.Fertility.Rates.PNG

If we're wrong, please let us know !
The United Nations needs your updates/corrections.

Trusting a woman is like building a mansion on 
a shifting sand dune -- blown by the winds of 
information, oil, drugs, and money.

> > He'd ban gig workers, like me,
> > because we outperform unions.
> > [ see: California AB5 ]
> > Not everyone wants to earn enough money to support a wife and kids --
> > just because Bernie thinks we should
> > ( to the chagrin of the planet ).
> 
> Everyone wants to earn enough money to support themselves.

No more carbon taxes then, right ?

What would the increased population, 
due Bernie's larger families,
do to the planet ?

Bernie is 78 years old;
he hasn't updated his "software" recently, I suspect.
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        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.24--9.22am.Seattle.2020
      Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  r31263$dm2$2@gioia.aioe.org
    MsNadegda  r31cpd$hsb$26@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.24--1.45pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m45 Dropped; 43.6 Minutes, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Feb 24 {   :47pm, 2020 }:41  Xკɗუ
      Hitler liked blondes.

MsNadegda replied ( to Sergio ):
> > in a socialist society, the Gov tells you what to do,
> 
> There are other ways to have a socialist society besides
> a Soviet-style, top-down, centralized command economy.

Like you, Hitler was fond of "Nordic socialism";
i.e. he liked blondes.

Singapore has the best healthcare system in the world,
bar none, and it's very multicultural.

Problem is, they aren't always as smart as they seem.

They ask women to have 4 kids, yet it's not happening;
-- their Muslim neighbors are out-breeding them.
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        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.24--9.22am.Seattle.2020
      AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  r314s6$m3i$2@dont-email.me
    MsNadegda  r31csq$hsb$27@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.24--1.28pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m4 Dropped; 30.4 Minutes, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Feb 24 {   :49pm, 2020 }:30  Xკɘɚ
      Let's reduce regulations too !

MsNadegda posted:
https://www.newscientist.com/article/2193136-universal-income-study-finds-money-for-nothing-wont-make-us-work-less/

If you're super poor, UBI is a negative income tax.

To the working poor, it's a huge tax break.

Why stop there ?

Let's reduce regulations too !
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        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.23--2.22pm.Seattle.2020
      AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  r3148g$iq1$2@dont-email.me
    Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  r316ka$11tj$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.24--11.56am.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 6  m215 Mad; 39.4 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win7, Aioe.ORG,  Feb 24 { 11: 2am, 2020 }:35^(-6)  Xკȼʛ
      Billie Eilish for president, 2020 !

Sergio mentioned:
> Bernie is 78, Bloomberg is 78, 
> Sleepy Joe is 77, Trump is 74.

Billie Eilish for president, 2020 !
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.24--9.22am.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
      Because Bernie thinks we should.

Bernie benefits union workers 
to the exclusion of everyone else.

He'd ban gig workers, like me, 
because we outperform unions. 
[ see: California AB5 ]

Not everyone wants to earn enough money 
to support a wife and kids -- 
just because Bernie thinks we should
( to the chagrin of the planet ).

The richer and more educated a woman is,
the less likely she is to bear children.
■
Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.23--2.22pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
      -Only- absolute poverty has meaning.

Bernie Sanders only cares about unions;
and unions are dying out.

Bernie is boring.
Detroit is a failure, not worthy of praise.

Relative poverty is meaningless;
-only- absolute poverty has meaning.

Many -choose- poverty for this very reason;
so they can feel alive.

As horrific as it is, living in a tent,
and having your blankets stolen every night,
stealing from your love ones ( for drugs ),
and subjecting yourself to horrendous poisons,
many find it preferable to working at McDonald's.

Young, healthy -kids- like the thrill.

Unlike Los Angeles, San Francisco and Seattle,
New York City actually takes care of its poorest.

For this reason, I'd like to see Bloomberg address
the issue nationwide.

If everyone is talking about Bloomberg,
how the rich are getting richer,
and the poor are getting poorer,
with the government solidly behind it all...

then Bernie will have been ignored,
and Bloomberg will get elected.
■
Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.19--7.03am.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
      Nurture Over Nature.

Jeff Bezos and Steve Jobs owe their success
to their adoptive parents; nurture over nature.

Bezos proved, beyond any doubt, that Democrats,
like AOC, are job/innovation destroyers.

If you want to be like Detroit, Seattle,
AOC is showing you the way.
■
      carleto4157990662@gmail_com  cf91a7b1-3d24-48b4-b188-afa7a1614c26@googlegroups.com
    Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  ham963F134oU1@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.14--1.23am.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m16 Top; 8.3 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win7, Individual.NET,  Feb 13 {  4:50pm, 2020 }:11^(11)  Xგ8ʃ
      People's immune systems.

Viruses are everywhere, all the time;
what varies is people's immune systems.

China is handling the virus quite well,
relatively speaking.

"Swine flu", first seen in Mexico, April 2009,
officially ended August 2010.

Up to 1.4 billion people might've contracted it;
up to 575,000 people may have died from it.
■
              Baxter│bax02_spamblock@baxcode_  r1o4ic$1k6s$2@gioia.aioe.org
            max_headroom│maximusheadroom  r1odcv$one$4@dont-email.me
          Creme_Fraiche│cafe@lat_te  r1q80m$vtg$1@gioia.aioe.org
        Al_Czervik│Caddyshack_Al@gmail_  r1qlsp$q7$1@dont-email.me
      Baxter│bax02_spamblock@baxcode_  r1rqv5$918$1@gioia.aioe.org
    Al_Czervik│Caddyshack_Al@gmail_  r1rrtt$9l6$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.10--7.45am.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate, OR.Politics, TX.Guns
    ╳ 1  m78 Cool; 18.9 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Feb 10 {  7:12am, 2020 }:59^(-8)  XяОx
      Seattle is suicidal.

Union membership is dwindling;
mostly, it's confined to government "jobs".

Bernie Sanders puts unions first, 
before everyone else.

He only cares about "relative poverty",
a.k.a. jealousy;
absolute poverty doesn't interest him.

Seattle puts young, professional scofflaws 
before everyone else.

Basically, the city is trying to kill itself.
■
              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--3.10pm.Seattle.2020
            Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  7e743fdtdgkb22k746d16jia91t6pnamem@4ax.com
          Checkmate│More_Bull_Schiff  ctaoqm.geq.17.7@news.alt.net
        Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  29pl3fdh4h4luh359f4cll1svm75b0jths@4ax.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.5--1.09pm.Seattle.2020
    SteveCarroll  ad85da12-f17c-4993-a492-32f69af2cf78@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.6--1.15am.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m316 Dropped; 11.8 Hours, GoogleG,  Feb  5 {  1:15pm, 2020 }:29^(PST)  Xьνκ
      Frat boys are lunatics.

Steve Carroll replied ( to me ):
> > The richest kids in the state are here, with me.
> 
> Lodged in between the [ Vittles Vault ] and 
> the knife wielding lunatic ?

I'm not the only one who thinks frat boys are lunatics.

They're super-horny, super-crunk, and undisciplined.

Go to the following page and search for "fraternities":
https://www.trulia.com/rental/4075013069-4547-19th-Ave-NE-Seattle-WA-98105?rd=1
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--3.10pm.Seattle.2020
            Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  7e743fdtdgkb22k746d16jia91t6pnamem@4ax.com
          Checkmate│More_Bull_Schiff  ctaoqm.geq.17.7@news.alt.net
        Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  29pl3fdh4h4luh359f4cll1svm75b0jths@4ax.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.5--1.09pm.Seattle.2020
    Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  i5cm3fpn51ab8og7046smm25cq4dqunqmf@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.5--10.42pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 3  m18 Cool; 9.2 Hours, F_Agent, Alt.NET,  Feb  5 {  1:17pm, 2020 }:15^(-5)  Xьνщ
      They need to be "fixed" and trained.

Hømer replied ( to me ):
> > The richest kids in the state are here, with me.
> 
> That shouldn't be blighted property.
> 
> Those frats and sororities have money and
> they're usually peopled by rich brats.

They're the worst, trust me.

Too much testosterone, too much estrogen,
too much beer/drugs, not enough training.

They need to be "fixed"[*] and trained.
[ *: vasectomies ]
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              Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  4g143f92kgp66cb2bs739h39e6mm2d3vpi@4ax.com
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--3.10pm.Seattle.2020
          Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  7e743fdtdgkb22k746d16jia91t6pnamem@4ax.com
        Checkmate│More_Bull_Schiff  ctaoqm.geq.17.7@news.alt.net
      Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  29pl3fdh4h4luh359f4cll1svm75b0jths@4ax.com
    Checkmate│More_Bull_Schiff  ctbtmm.l14.19.4@news.alt.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.5--10.26pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 1  m2 Shifty; 19.5 Minutes, MicroPlanet, Alt.NET,  Feb  5 {   :22pm, 2020 }:11^(-8)  XьδϹ
      Looking for love in all the wrong places.

Checkmate recorded:
> I honestly don't know what we can do with people 
> who are content to lay in their own filth and 
> inject unknown substances bought from shady 
> merchants of destruction.  
> 
> They're certainly not employable.

It's kids, looking for love in all the wrong places.

Working at McDonald's doesn't impress the girls;
and giving them drugs gets you laid.

Honestly, it feels like 2008 all over again.

Negative risk premiums are absurd;
an inverted yield curve is absurd.

Everyone should be in cash,
the economy should sink.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--2.15pm.Seattle.2020
            Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  4g143f92kgp66cb2bs739h39e6mm2d3vpi@4ax.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--3.10pm.Seattle.2020
        Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  7e743fdtdgkb22k746d16jia91t6pnamem@4ax.com
      Checkmate│More_Bull_Schiff  ctaoqm.geq.17.7@news.alt.net
    Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  29pl3fdh4h4luh359f4cll1svm75b0jths@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.5--1.09pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 1  m15 Shifty; 4.8 Hours, F_Agent, Alt.NET,  Feb  5 {  7:56am, 2020 }: 9^(-5)  Xьʟʁ
      The richest kids in the state are here, with me.

Hømer wrote:
> If the neighborhood is too blighted the 
> prosperous folks won't come and
> the blight will only increase.

It's frat row.  Fraternity brothers and
sorority sisters are my neighbors.

We're immediately north of campus.

The richest kids in the state are here, with me.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--0.26pm.Seattle.2020
            Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  d2r33fpntf6i7c66q5l3kqlffo0mc9th4g@4ax.com
          MrChrisV  8tr33f1e0qev19g54fntk4h49p84r1c16h@4ax.com
        Scooter│Scoot@invalid_invalid  lo663f1s787ukbs59s58862he935hi5ltu@4ax.com
      Al_Czervik│Caddyshack_Al@gmail_  r147i5$g3v$3@dont-email.me
    MrChrisV  lmag3fdiboc9pchv3mr7c2eej6dhu69h85@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.3--2.18pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 1  m147 Dropped; 6.4 Hours, F_Agent, HighWinds➤Fastusenet.ORG,  Feb  3 {  6:27am, 2020 }:48^(-6)  XыOϓ
      A 3 car garage in the middle of the Amazon.

Mr. ChrisV replied ( to me ):
> > The 4-bedroom, 1½ bath, no garage, 
> > (almost) no street parking, home I grew up in,
> > a few blocks north of me, sells for 1.125 million $.
> 
> I live in a nice house with a 3-car garage.

A 3 car garage in the middle of the (flooded) Amazon
is worth zero dollars, if not less.

San Francisco and Seattle are _extremely_ tolerant
when it comes to drugs and crime.

Still, no one would call them "slums";
quite the opposite,
we pay the highest rents in the world.
■
              a425couple│a425couple@hotmail_  r11sn632idj@news2.newsguy.com
            George│gblack@hnpl_net  20200202083916.00001ca0@hnpl.net
          Byker│byker@do~rag_net  btKdnW-LHdrRdajDnZ2dnUU7-R_NnZ2d@supernews.com
        Baxter│bax02_spamblock@baxcode_  r15kcq$1bg8$1@gioia.aioe.org
      a425couple│a425couple@hotmail_  r16v9f0sbn@news1.newsguy.com
    Baxter│bax02_spamblock@baxcode_  r188uk$174v$2@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.2--10.15pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, OR.Politics
    ╱ 1  m21 Cool; 33.9 Minutes, Xnews, Aioe.ORG,  Feb  2 {  8:52pm, 2020 }:36  XъЮТ
      The state of the economy/family, Seattle.

Re: The state of the economy/family, Seattle. 

The minute rates go up,
the stock market will crash, big time,
and a recession will ensue.

If rates stay near zero, decade-after-decade,
with microscopic risk premiums, like in Japan, 
then a "growing economy" will become a distant memory.
       ---
Things are different today;
traditional families no longer make sense.

Perhaps you have a kind, loving, dedicated wife
who'd do anything for you -- congratulations.

All that could change in a New York minute;
especially if she's financially independent,
and well educated.  Jeff Bezos knows.

If you have kids, you'll pay the price, big time;
and it'll be YOUR FAULT for having built your "house"
on the side of a shifting sand dune.
■
              .  csstk3.mhg.17.4@news.alt.net
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.30--8.14pm.Seattle.2020
          ScottDoty  h9irubFgu01U3@mid.individual.net
        Al_Czervik│Caddyshack_Al@gmail_  r148g7$qdd$1@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.1--10.55am.Seattle.2020
    Al_Czervik│Caddyshack_Al@gmail_  r16t3m$aq2$2@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.2--0.16pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 7  m35 Cool; 53.4 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Feb  2 {  8:24am, 2020 }:22^(-8)  XъʤM
      Banks are going to become landlords.

Al Czervik replied ( to me ):
> > To lower rents,
> > Seattle is transforming into Bangladesh.
> > And it's working.
> 
> I don't see rents lowering in Seattle.
> I do see [ it transforming into ] Bangladesh.

You're right, possibly because mom-and-pop landlords
are being killed off, and the Fed is pouring money
into zombie corporations like there's no tomorrow.

But "tomorrow" will come and, when it does,
banks are going to become landlords, big-time.

"Seattle.Curbed.COM", Sep 21 2018:

  [ in Seattle proper ] Median rent decreased 
  a full 4.5 percent within the city limits.
          ...
  ApartmentList found a 2.4 year-over-year 
  decrease [ within Seattle ]

"SeattleTimes.COM", July 29, 2019:

  Data from RealPage shows that the number of 
  newly occupied, or “absorbed,” rental units
  during the first half of 2018 was down 19% 
  from the same period in 2017.

  That echoes census data showing that, in 2018,
  [...] more people left King County than 
  moved here from within in the U.S.
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              max_headroom│maximusheadroom  r105fl$fas$2@dont-email.me
            MichaelGlasser  h9hkn3FapbkU1@mid.individual.net
          max_headroom│maximusheadroom  r10c4c$bpc$2@dont-email.me
        Scooter│Scoot@invalid_invalid  p6i83ftl9o8qmubt50g7rsmk9pvqhn5j88@4ax.com
      MichaelGlasser  h9j0l6Fjih3U4@mid.individual.net
    Al_Czervik│Caddyshack_Al@gmail_  r148nf$qdd$2@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.1--11.09am.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 5  m29 Cool; 2.2 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Feb  1 {  8:24am, 2020 }:17^(-8)  XщЪH
      Don't call Michael Glasser a racist/fascist.

Al Czervik asked "Snit" ( Michael Glasser ):
> Do you think "real socialism" is bad ?

Mike likes "Nordic socialism".

Darker-Skin socialism always fails because 
it wasn't "true socialism".

Don't call him a racist/fascist,
by the way, he doesn't like that.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--6.38pm.Seattle.2020
            AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  r0v06p$r22$2@dont-email.me
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.30--9.08am.Seattle.2020
        AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  r0v82h$fir$1@dont-email.me
      Al_Czervik│Caddyshack_Al@gmail_  r147lk$g3v$4@dont-email.me
    AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  r149i8$ukm$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.1--11.00am.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 1  m15 Shifty; 1.9 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Feb  1 {  8:38am, 2020 }:33^(-7)  XщЬʙ
      YellowStone never has earthquakes.

"AnonLinuxUser" wrote:
> I choose eastern Montana.
> Bainbridge Island shifted up 18 feet 
> during the last major earthquake.

Great, YellowStone never has earthquakes.
■
              .  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.28--8.55pm.Seattle.2020
            .  h4933fh860ekucoqoq4vtlahn5ld1h1jc4@4ax.com
          .  csstk3.mhg.17.4@news.alt.net
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.30--8.14pm.Seattle.2020
      ScottDoty  h9irubFgu01U3@mid.individual.net
    Al_Czervik│Caddyshack_Al@gmail_  r148g7$qdd$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.1--10.55am.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 6  m29 Cool; 2.2 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Feb  1 {  8:20am, 2020 }:24^(-8)  XщЩʐ
      Seattle is transforming into Bangladesh.

Al Czervik replied ( to Scott Doty ):
> > Remember "Hoovervilles"?
> 
> Good grief, how old are you? 
> 25% unemployment will do that.
> 
> > We have a "Trumpville" just outside of town here.
> 
> What was it called during Obama 
> ( average unemployment 7.4% ) ?  Trump has 
> enjoyed an average unemployment of 4%.

Despite the low unemployment numbers,
Trumpvilles exceed Hoovervilles in both size and extent.

To lower rents,
Seattle is transforming into Bangladesh.

And it's working.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.30--9.08am.Seattle.2020
            AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  r0v82h$fir$1@dont-email.me
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.30--0.20pm.Seattle.2020
        ScottDoty  h9i9j7FeekrU4@mid.individual.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.31--11.35am.Seattle.2020
    Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  ji093fpobjd53fr4p2jlukg4rgvm0saq9s@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.31--0.12pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m11 Shifty; 25 Minutes, F_Agent, Alt.NET,  Jan 31 { 11:39am, 2020 }:52^(-5)  XщɄϘ
      EBT SNAP -- The government owns everything.

Hømer replied ( to me ):
> > The government owns everything.
> > Food stamps ( EBT SNAP ), 194$/month, covers food.
> 
> Lazy bum! Welfare cheat. Asshole! Get a fucking JOB!

They're willing to give it;
I'm willing to receive it.
■
            .  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.28--8.55pm.Seattle.2020
          .  h4933fh860ekucoqoq4vtlahn5ld1h1jc4@4ax.com
        .  csstk3.mhg.17.4@news.alt.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.30--8.14pm.Seattle.2020
    ScottDoty  h9irubFgu01U3@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.31--11.58am.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 1  m3 Shifty; 4.5 Hours, Pan, Individual.NET,  Jan 31 {  6:29am, 2020 }:31  XщOკ
      I'm in charge of the insane asylum.

Scott Doty asked me:
> Remember "Hoovervilles"?
> We have a "Trumpville" just outside of town here.

They're everywhere, including Canada;
it makes one long for the Hooverville days.

> Sounds like Seattle needs to get serious about
> some new programs for the homeless and the working poor.

So far, they've managed to pass the buck,
making it my problem, not theirs, lowering rents;
I'm in charge of the insane asylum.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--6.38pm.Seattle.2020
            AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  r0v06p$r22$2@dont-email.me
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.30--9.08am.Seattle.2020
        AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  r0v82h$fir$1@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.30--0.20pm.Seattle.2020
    ScottDoty  h9i9j7FeekrU4@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.31--11.35am.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m3 Shifty; 9.7 Hours, Pan, Individual.NET,  Jan 31 {  1:16am, 2020 }:23  XшლЕ
      The government owns everything.

Scott Doty asked me:
> why don't you have your own house ?
> Did 2008 hit you hard or something ?

"Owning"[*] a home only makes sense if you're 
tied to the ol' ball and chain.
[ *: in truth, the government owns everything ]

I (semi)retired early 1988, age 28, 
after my ex dumped me, taking the kids with her.

Since then, my expenses have been minimal.

I spend about 3 thousand $ per year,
mostly on the house I manage, in lieu of rent.

I've gone 30+ years without spending money on Doctors.

Food stamps ( EBT SNAP ), 194$/month, covers food.

This mouse costs 28$:

  http://Jeff-Relf.Me/MouseKeyboardLayout.PNG
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              Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  vor33ft0ft3uqtu2faal220bfvhg0730ur@4ax.com
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--2.15pm.Seattle.2020
          Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  4g143f92kgp66cb2bs739h39e6mm2d3vpi@4ax.com
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--3.10pm.Seattle.2020
      AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  r0t8ug$7p3$4@dont-email.me
    ScottDoty  h9i87qFeekrU1@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.31--11.10am.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 3  m3 Shifty; 10.1 Hours, Pan, Individual.NET,  Jan 31 {   :53am, 2020 }:15  Xшზщ
      Seattle is transforming into the Rust Belt.

Scott Doty told me:
> you should totally live in the rust belt.

Seattle is transforming into the Rust Belt; 
so I don't have to go there.

Eventually, rent will be super-affordable.
■
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.28--8.55pm.Seattle.2020
      Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  h4933fh860ekucoqoq4vtlahn5ld1h1jc4@4ax.com
    Checkmate│More_Bull_Schiff  csstk3.mhg.17.4@news.alt.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.30--8.14pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 6  m38 Cool; 13.3 Minutes, MicroPlanet, Alt.NET,  Jan 30 {  7:48pm, 2020 }:48^(-8)  XшФm
      Transforming Seattle into Detroitt.

Checkmate wrote:
> Crime is almost legal now on the 
> West Coast and in NYC.

Effectively, Yes.

> I sure as hell wouldn't rent property 
> to an Ethiopian tar baby with a knife.

Seattle successfully lowered rents,
and housed some homeless people;
but, to do it, they severely lowered 
our quality-of-life, forcing us to put up 
with these nut cases, on the cheap.

Once they're done transforming Seattle into Detroit,
rent will be extremely cheap,
and everyone will have (crappy) housing.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--1.34pm.Seattle.2020
            AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  r0t8md$7p3$3@dont-email.me
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--6.38pm.Seattle.2020
        AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  r0v06p$r22$2@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.30--9.08am.Seattle.2020
    AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  r0v82h$fir$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.30--0.20pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╳ 3  m13 Shifty; 1.3 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jan 30 { 10:42am, 2020 }:26^(-7)  XшΜQ
      "my" 1.125 million $ house will be worth 50 cents.

"AnonLinuxUser" replied ( to me ):
> > When a government fails,
> > the Mafia picks up the slack.
> 
> Which reduces to anarchism.

Anarchists are "a dime a dozen" in these parts.

Governments don't always get it right;
only time will tell who was right, 
them or me.

When it's me, as it usually[*] is,
it verifies my model.  [ *: not always ]

> Seattle area is overdue for the big one.

In Tokyo, they have small earthquakes every day;
occasionally, it kills thousands of people.
Seattle is nothing like that, not at all.

> I wouldn't rely on the area for safety or comfort, 
> as the socialists are slowly removing that aspect
> from the populace.

Since the start of 2018,
Seattle has implemented a slew of laws that have
successfully reduced rents in the area.

Once Seattle becomes Detroit,
"my" 1.125 million $ house will be worth 50 cents.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--3.10pm.Seattle.2020
            AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  r0t8ug$7p3$4@dont-email.me
          MichaelGlasser  h9enmdFmrjdU1@mid.individual.net
        AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  r0tau8$iar$2@dont-email.me
      MichaelGlasser  h9ephiFn6v5U1@mid.individual.net
    AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  r0v0cm$r22$4@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.30--9.39am.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 1  m10 Shifty; 51 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jan 30 {  8:31am, 2020 }:20^(-7)  Xшʥɐ
      Tall, blonde, blue-eyed Nordic women.

Michael Glasser (Snit) likes 
tall, blonde, blue-eyed Nordic women.

Glance at PornHub,
and you'll see that he's not alone.

Labeling these women "true socialists" is 
his attempt to seem less Hitleresque, less racist.

In his version of "reality",
darker-skinned people can't be -real- "socialists".

Reality has never been a friend of his.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--2.15pm.Seattle.2020
            Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  4g143f92kgp66cb2bs739h39e6mm2d3vpi@4ax.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--3.10pm.Seattle.2020
        Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  7e743fdtdgkb22k746d16jia91t6pnamem@4ax.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--6.14pm.Seattle.2020
    AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  r0v09g$r22$3@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.30--9.19am.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 1  m9 Shifty; 17 Secs, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jan 30 {  8:29am, 2020 }:38^(-7)  Xшʤრ
      I can deal with it.

"AnonLinuxUser" replied ( to me ):
> > Rents went up 68% from 2010 to 2017.
> > Seattle must change course;
> > right now, it's trying to become Detroit.
> 
> Isn't the water in the pot you are sitting in
> getting hot enough yet ?

I'm a grown-ass man, not a frog;
I can deal with it.

I like it when governments fuck up;
otherwise, I couldn't say that I was 
"smarter than the average bear".
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--0.26pm.Seattle.2020
            Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  d2r33fpntf6i7c66q5l3kqlffo0mc9th4g@4ax.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--1.34pm.Seattle.2020
        AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  r0t8md$7p3$3@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--6.38pm.Seattle.2020
    AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  r0v06p$r22$2@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.30--9.08am.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 2  m9 Shifty; 1.8 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jan 30 {  8:28am, 2020 }:11^(-7)  XшʤϹ
      When a government fails, the Mafia picks up the slack.

"AnonLinuxUser" replied ( to me ):
> > The weather is mild and cloudy year-round,
> > like England, where my ancestors are from.
> > For that reason alone, I'm staying.
> 
> Then enjoy the ride.

I'm 60 years old, born into North Seattle.

I've seen it all, the good and the bad.
 
All my grandparents were born in Seattle.
My ancestors were the first white people 
to arrive in this area.

<r0v049$r22$1@dont-email.me>:
> Now do you recognize why socialism sucks ?

When did I say otherwise ?

When a government fails,
the Mafia picks up the slack.
■
              .  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.28--8.55pm.Seattle.2020
            .  h4933fh860ekucoqoq4vtlahn5ld1h1jc4@4ax.com
          .  o7a33f1eu5h0jtn10bad8qmgledvb4dej5@4ax.com
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--0.26pm.Seattle.2020
      Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  d2r33fpntf6i7c66q5l3kqlffo0mc9th4g@4ax.com
    MrChrisV  8tr33f1e0qev19g54fntk4h49p84r1c16h@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.30--8.53am.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 1  m1 Dropped; 3.4 Hours, F_Agent, HighWinds➤Fastusenet.ORG,  Jan 30 {  5: 3am, 2020 }:10^(-6)  XшʂΟ
      Location, Location, Location.

Mr. ChrisV replied ( to me ):
> > > The 4-bedroom, 1½ bath, home I grew up in,
> > > a few blocks north of me, sells for 1.125 million $.
> 
> I live in a nice house with a 3-car garage.

Location, Location, Location.
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          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.28--8.55pm.Seattle.2020
        HughHuntzinger  6ae072d4-7f10-427b-ba6f-679c6d5250bb@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--0.00pm.Seattle.2020
    HughHuntzinger  699d5f05-4efd-4541-bf96-87ed2bfeade8@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--7.21pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 19  m86 Cool; 4.5 Hours, GoogleG, 129.139.180.135,  Jan 29 {  2:25pm, 2020 }:14^(PST)  Xчღɀ
      The judge doesn't want to know about it.

Hugh Huntzinger wrote:
> TL;DR:  see if you can think of a way to get the Charity 
> on your side .. even if it as an unwilling cash cow who
> doesn't want to spend more milk.

The only reason we've been able to take him to court,
lo these many months,
is because the charity did NOT pay all of his rent.

All the windows he broke ( big time ),
all the holes he created ( fighting ),
and the late fees, and the legal fees, 
have to be passed to a bill collector;
the judge doesn't want to know about it.

> find the bad tenant some other (cheaper) place to live

There is no cheaper place,
unless you count the homeless shelters,
where one stares at his diseased neighbor, 
3 feet away, all night long, 
before being forced out, at 7 am.
■
              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--0.26pm.Seattle.2020
            Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  vor33ft0ft3uqtu2faal220bfvhg0730ur@4ax.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--2.15pm.Seattle.2020
        Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  4g143f92kgp66cb2bs739h39e6mm2d3vpi@4ax.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--3.10pm.Seattle.2020
    AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  r0t8ug$7p3$4@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--6.45pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 4  m6 Shifty; 1.4 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jan 29 {  4:45pm, 2020 }: 4^(-7)  Xш7Ι
      Next stop, Detroit/Havana, where the Mafia rules supreme.

"AnonLinuxUser" told me:
> That is what the marxist-socialist want.
> Poor people.

Absolutely.

Next stop, Detroit/Havana, where the Mafia rules supreme.
■
              .  h4933fh860ekucoqoq4vtlahn5ld1h1jc4@4ax.com
            .  o7a33f1eu5h0jtn10bad8qmgledvb4dej5@4ax.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--0.26pm.Seattle.2020
        Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  d2r33fpntf6i7c66q5l3kqlffo0mc9th4g@4ax.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--1.34pm.Seattle.2020
    AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  r0t8md$7p3$3@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--6.38pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 5  m6 Shifty; 1.4 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jan 29 {  4:40pm, 2020 }:45^(-7)  Xш6Ы
      The Mafia picks up the slack, as always.

"AnonLinuxUser" replied ( to me ):
> > It can't go on like this; it just can't.
> 
> Well, You can always wait until 
> the Juan De Fuca plate slips good.

Seattle doesn't have natural disasters;
no hurricanes, no tornadoes, 
no (deadly) earthquakes.

The weather is mild and cloudy year-round,
like England, where my ancestors are from.

For that reason alone, I'm staying.

The Mafia picks up the slack, as always.
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          .  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.28--8.55pm.Seattle.2020
        .  6ae072d4-7f10-427b-ba6f-679c6d5250bb@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--0.00pm.Seattle.2020
    AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  r0t8io$7p3$2@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--6.28pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 6  m6 Shifty; 1.5 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jan 29 {  4:38pm, 2020 }:48^(-7)  Xш6ʨ
      I'm hoping the jerks will reverse course.

"AnonLinuxUser" replied ( to me ):
> > "Tenant In Perpetuity" ( seriously ).
> 
> I'd say that this is the start of 
> Seattle's socialism and what it looks like.

It's a knee-jerk reaction to rising rents,
and the gig economy.

I'm hoping the jerks will reverse course,
yet again -- they're NOT smarter than the market.

"Eviction Without Restriction" is a basic human right.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--0.26pm.Seattle.2020
            Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  vor33ft0ft3uqtu2faal220bfvhg0730ur@4ax.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--2.15pm.Seattle.2020
        Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  4g143f92kgp66cb2bs739h39e6mm2d3vpi@4ax.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--3.10pm.Seattle.2020
    Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  7e743fdtdgkb22k746d16jia91t6pnamem@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--6.14pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 2  m7 Shifty; 1.9 Hours, F_Agent, Alt.NET,  Jan 29 {  4: 9pm, 2020 }:57^(-5)  Xш1ϝ
      Seattle is trying to become Detroit.

Hømer told me:
> Fuck Seattle.  You have a right to raise rent
> in your own fucking building.

No we don't;
Democrats outlawed rent increases.

Rents went up 68% from 2010 to 2017.

Seattle must change course;
right now, it's trying to become Detroit.

It's kind of funny, I think.
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              .  h4933fh860ekucoqoq4vtlahn5ld1h1jc4@4ax.com
            .  o7a33f1eu5h0jtn10bad8qmgledvb4dej5@4ax.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--0.26pm.Seattle.2020
        Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  vor33ft0ft3uqtu2faal220bfvhg0730ur@4ax.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--2.15pm.Seattle.2020
    Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  4g143f92kgp66cb2bs739h39e6mm2d3vpi@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--3.10pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 1  m5 Shifty; 34.1 Minutes, F_Agent, Alt.NET,  Jan 29 {  2:26pm, 2020 }:47^(-5)  Xчღʧ
      People are moving out, not in.

Hømer told me:
> Raise the rent to two grand a month. That will
> require 6000 dollars up front and will make it
> impossible for dregs to come up with the money
> even if they are subsidized. 

As it is, people are moving out, not in.

With your plan, I wouldn't have any tenants.

Besides, Seattle doesn't allow willy-nilly rent increases,
like that, far from it.
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              .  h4933fh860ekucoqoq4vtlahn5ld1h1jc4@4ax.com
            .  o7a33f1eu5h0jtn10bad8qmgledvb4dej5@4ax.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--0.26pm.Seattle.2020
        Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  d2r33fpntf6i7c66q5l3kqlffo0mc9th4g@4ax.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--1.34pm.Seattle.2020
    Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  udv33fdn53ntvprcmq38mgfjmop39hskqj@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--2.27pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 1  m4 Shifty; 28 Minutes, F_Agent, Alt.NET,  Jan 29 {  1:53pm, 2020 }:31^(-5)  Xчრკ
      Detroit or bust.

Hømer replied ( to me ):
> Seattle will become another Detroit.

That's the goal, apparently.

Two of my tenants came from Detroit;
like it here better.
■
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.28--8.55pm.Seattle.2020
          Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  h4933fh860ekucoqoq4vtlahn5ld1h1jc4@4ax.com
        MrChrisV  o7a33f1eu5h0jtn10bad8qmgledvb4dej5@4ax.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--0.26pm.Seattle.2020
    Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  vor33ft0ft3uqtu2faal220bfvhg0730ur@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--2.15pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 14  m82 Cool; 18.8 Minutes, F_Agent, Alt.NET,  Jan 29 {   :48pm, 2020 }:14^(-5)  XчზE
      900$ deposit, 150$ move-in fee.

Hømer told me:
> Renovate that POS boarding
> house as an excuse for kicking everybody out.

Seattle no longer allows that;
when it did, landlords had to pay relocation costs.

> Require a HUGE deposit and a year-long lease. 

900$ deposit, 150$ move-in fee.

Year-long leases haven't dissuaded crappy tenants.

People no longer want to move into this house;
and I don't blame them, considering the latest laws.

So we've been forced to accept people who use
a charity to pay their move-in costs -- bad news.
■
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.28--8.55pm.Seattle.2020
          Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  h4933fh860ekucoqoq4vtlahn5ld1h1jc4@4ax.com
        MrChrisV  o7a33f1eu5h0jtn10bad8qmgledvb4dej5@4ax.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--0.26pm.Seattle.2020
    Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  d2r33fpntf6i7c66q5l3kqlffo0mc9th4g@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--1.34pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 2  m8 Cool; 31.3 Minutes, F_Agent, Alt.NET,  Jan 29 {   :35pm, 2020 }:26^(-5)  Xчდე
      It can't go on like this; it just can't.

Hømer replied ( to me ):
> > The 4-bedroom, 1½ bath, home I grew up in,
> > a few blocks north of me, sells for 1.125 million $.
> > If that's a slum, tell me about your place.
> 
> You falsely believe quality of life is somehow
> related to a selling price ?  What a fool !

Life was damn good, before they passed all these 
crazy "pro-tenant" laws; ironically, 
it's the tenants who suffer the most.

The "pro-worker", high minimum-wage laws
remove the lower rungs of the ladder.

(Government) Unions simply don't like the competition,
that's all, and Seattle simply refuses to take on 
the nut cases that I (now) have to deal with.

It can't go on like this; it just can't.
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          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.28--8.55pm.Seattle.2020
        HughHuntzinger  6ae072d4-7f10-427b-ba6f-679c6d5250bb@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--0.00pm.Seattle.2020
    Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  iip33fdg37asvskdou72jaa80jo99d98ok@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--1.13pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 3  m8 Cool; 55.7 Minutes, F_Agent, Alt.NET,  Jan 29 {   :11pm, 2020 }: 2^(-5)  Xчям
      I want to see the fools hang themselves.

Hømer replied ( to me ):
> > "Tenant In Perpetuity" ( seriously ).
> 
> Stop your whining and 
> just get the fuck out of there.
> 
> Isn't it about time you
> put yourself in a position to not be
> a babysitter of societal dregs ?

No, I want to see the fools hang themselves.
■
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.28--8.55pm.Seattle.2020
    a425couple│a425couple@hotmail_  r0sdk6023nr@news1.newsguy.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--0.40pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 1  m1 Shifty; 2.8 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Newsguy.COM➤NewsGuy.COM, Newsdawg.COM,  Jan 29 {  8:58am, 2020 }:48^(-8)  XчЯЮ
      The Oregon Trail will rise again.

"a425couple" replied ( to me ):
> > Seattle does everything in its power
> > to make sure the problem belongs to us,
> > so it doesn't have to deal with it.
> 
> Sounds about right.
> That's why I sold every rental I had in Seattle.

If this keeps up, the Oregon Trail will rise again,
going in the opposite direction.
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      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.28--8.55pm.Seattle.2020
    Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  r0sc0k$1q75$2@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--0.35pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 1  m3 Cool; 3.3 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win7, Aioe.ORG,  Jan 29 {  8:31am, 2020 }:15^(-6)  XчЫɁ
      "Eviction Without Restriction" is a basic human right.

Sergio replied ( to me ):
> I knew a guy that had to get rid of a no load roomate,
> so he made up an eviction notice ( looked like 
> it was from the city ) and pasted it to the front door,
> 
> the guy did find another place

If only.

My tenants won't leave until the sheriff 
drags them out, kicking and screaming.

Some of them were jailed too 
( for priors, I assume ),
because they refused to leave.

In Seattle, we have to hold all of their crap,
every bit of it, for 30 days,
in case they want to retrieve some of it.
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        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.28--8.55pm.Seattle.2020
      Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  h4933fh860ekucoqoq4vtlahn5ld1h1jc4@4ax.com
    MrChrisV  o7a33f1eu5h0jtn10bad8qmgledvb4dej5@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--0.26pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 1  m133 Dropped; 3.9 Hours, F_Agent, HighWinds➤Fastusenet.ORG,  Jan 29 {  7:53am, 2020 }:45^(-6)  XчФყ
      The north side of the University of Washington.

Mr. ChrisV replied ( to me ):
> > > He buys and sells stolen goods;
> > > he smokes crack and meth.
> > > 
> > > Drug dealers come and go constantly;
> > > my room vibrates at 4 a.m., 
> > > as if a dance bar were next door.
> 
> You see, Relf, getting out of the slums 
> is why most of us choose to work regular jobs.

The north side of the University of Washington
is less than a block from me, at the end of the block.

I live in North East Seattle, between campus 
and Ravenna Park, West of the University Village,
East of "the Ave" -- prime real estate.

The 4-bedroom, 1½ bath, home I grew up in,
a few blocks north of me, sells for 1.125 million $.

If that's a slum, tell me about your place.
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      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.28--8.55pm.Seattle.2020
    Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  h4933fh860ekucoqoq4vtlahn5ld1h1jc4@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--0.11pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 2  m5 Cool; 4.3 Hours, F_Agent, Alt.NET,  Jan 29 {  7:29am, 2020 }:15^(-5)  XчРщ
      "Get a Hold of Yourself" -- Airplane! (1980).

Hømer replied ( to me ):
> > Basically, Seattle does everything in its power
> > to make sure the problem belongs to us,
> > so it doesn't have to deal with it.
> 
> You should contract with the mob for a 
> hit man who would break a leg or two
> and tell the asshole the next time 
> it will be his neck.

Only the Mafia can handle this situation,
and it will.

He's been beat up several times 
( for sexually attacking women ).

It's like that "Get a Hold of Yourself" scene
from "Airplane! (1980)", where people are 
lined up to beat the woman.

He enjoys the attention, I think.
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      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.28--8.55pm.Seattle.2020
    HughHuntzinger  6ae072d4-7f10-427b-ba6f-679c6d5250bb@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--0.00pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 18  m84 Cool; 7.7 Hours, GoogleG, 173.70.116.6,  Jan 29 {  4: 3am, 2020 }: 6^(PST)  XчϠΛ
      "Tenant In Perpetuity" ( seriously ).

Hugh Huntzinger replied ( to me ):
> > We've been trying to evict him for months;
> > he's extremely defiant.
> >  
> > Catholic charities pay his rent;
> > the city provides him with lawyers.
> > Meanwhile, better tenants move(d) out...
> 
> Figure out a legal way to charge the damages 
> to his rent, and start billing the Charity.

Eviction for bad behavior, and/or not paying 
for " damages and/or fees ", is nearly impossible.

At most, we can pass it off to a bill collector;
it doesn't come into play in eviction court.

A slew of new laws, like that,
have made our lives miserable recently.

I'm not allowed to know/consider a potential tenant's
criminal history, for example.

Like it or not, leases transition to month-to-month,
a.k.a. "Tenant In Perpetuity" ( seriously ).

  Imagine if you were chained to a lovely lady;
  sooner or later, you'd get sick of it.
  Hence, "no-fault" divorce.

  For similar reasons ( up until recently )
  either party could terminate a rental agreement.

  Basically, Seattle does everything in its power
  to make sure the problem belongs to us,
  so it doesn't have to deal with it.
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.28--8.55pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
      "Eviction Without Restriction" is a basic human right.

The eviction sheriff knows me well;
ditto for policemen and repairmen.

A young UW student tenant of mine
got pepper-sprayed when he asked 
a fellow tenant ( fresh from Ethiopia )
to turn his music down, Sunday night.

When I confronted him about it,
he pulled a knife on me.

The police are useless, in this case,
because " it's a civil matter ";
had I called them, 
they would've shown up 3 days later.

Also, he broke ( yet another ) window
3 days after I fixed it.

He buys and sells stolen goods;
he smokes crack and meth.

Drug dealers come and go constantly;
my room vibrates at 4 a.m., 
as if a dance bar were next door.

We've been trying to evict him for months;
he's extremely defiant.
 
Catholic charities pay his rent;
the city provides him with lawyers.
Meanwhile, better tenants moved out.

Once, one of his homeless friends
spit in the landlord's face.

The landlord called 911, 
reporting the attack;
they never showed up.

Imagine if you were chained to a lovely lady;
sooner or later, you'd get sick of it.
Hence, "no-fault" divorce.

For similar reasons ( up until recently )
either party could terminate a rental agreement.

Basically, Seattle does everything in its power
to make sure the problem belongs to us,
so it doesn't have to deal with it.
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          James_McGinn│jimmcginn9@gmail_  6b2d5666-30ad-45f5-aa26-1d663cbed732@googlegroups.com
        Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  h917oiFs6fmU1@mid.individual.net
      James_McGinn│jimmcginn9@gmail_  7b446bed-4bcb-4614-8e86-757c081841ef@googlegroups.com
    Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  h91kccF4ciU1@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.25--6.31am.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics
    +Top, 12.7 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win7, Individual.NET,  Jan 24 {  5:36pm, 2020 }:12^(11)  XфϾC
      McGinn hates: science, nature, people, reality, etc.

Sylvia Else replied ( to James McGinn ):
> > This forum draws stupidity like shit draws flies.
> > [ Simple Experiment Proves Moist Air 
> >   is Heavier ( not lighter ) Than Dry Air ]
> 
> I take it then that it is just a description of 
> an experiment that could be done, 
> not a video of one that has been done.

McGinn hates: science, nature, people, reality, etc.

In fact, the only things he likes are food, sex,
money, and his reflection in the mirror.
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    JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.20--7.23am.Seattle.2020
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.20--10.05am.Seattle.2020
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m1 Top; 2.5 Hours, X.HTM, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Jan 20 {  7:23am, 2020 }:58^(Seattle)  XсПჴ
      The solution -- Re: "wsappx" is consuming 5% of my CPU.

I wrote:
> I ran "Windows 10 November 2019 Update  .EXE";
> now "wsappx" is consuming 5% of my CPU
> and it's periodically turns my mouse cursor into an hourglass.

The solution:

  ;  Stop the "Windows Store" (wsappx) busy CPU/Disk madness !!
  ; --  Merge and ReBoot.
  [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\AppXSVC]
  "Start"=dword:4
  [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\ClipSVC]
  "Start"=dword:4
  [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\WSService]
  "Start"=dword:4
  [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\StateRepository]
  "Start"=dword:4

At "Windows Update and Security -> Advanced Options" 
I turned off "Allow downloads from other PCs".

Also:

;  ReGain ownership/privileges of "TrustedInstaller", "DefaultMediaCost"
;  and "Windows Defender" -Manually-, Merge and ReBoot.

etc. etc. etc.

http://Jeff-Relf.Me/Win10.REG.TXT
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.20--7.23am.Seattle.2020
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10
      "wsappx" is consuming 5% of my CPU.

I ran "Windows 10 November 2019 Update  .EXE";
now "wsappx" is consuming 5% of my CPU
and it's periodically turns my mouse cursor into an hourglass.

I'm running the "Home" version of Windows.

These services can't be stopped:

  Windows Store Services (WSService)
  Client License Service (ClipSVC)
  AppX Deployment Service (AppXSVC)

I can't launch "Windows Store" ( ms-windows-store: ).
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              Peter_Jason│pj@jostle_com  vu0fjedmecmnu7n09ovegf64iqamg7glb0@4ax.com
            Paul│nospam@needed_invalid  qh83c9$gbg$1@dont-email.me
          Peter_Jason│pj@jostle_com  1c7fjepq83bv3j97c48mehsun2rkr6tg1d@4ax.com
        Paul│nospam@needed_invalid  qh8f43$19v$2@dont-email.me
      Peter_Jason│pj@jostle_com  4vohje178llsg1gq37e4l7ue6814j25urr@4ax.com
    Paul│nospam@needed_invalid  qhb2lp$hnc$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.24--10.26pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10
    ╱ 4  m192 Top; 3.1 Hours, Ratcatcher/2_0_0_25, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jul 24 {  7: 3pm, 2019 }:37^(-4)  XΝKς
      Windows Update never works for me.

Windows Update never works for me; when I try to use it,
it's ultra-miserable, with MULTIPLE SLOW, FAILING REBOOTS.

So I think it's best to never use it;
I turn off those services.

Downloading 1903, for example, works well enough for me;
it takes an hour or so to set up correctly afterwards,
but it's not too bad.

I have to rename the "Documents" folder back to "Sys",
as that's what I always call it.  Unless+Until I do that,
many programs can't find my settings.

I think I have to restore from my backups, at times.

Also, I have to re-take ownership of "DefaultMediaCost" -Manually-,
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\NetworkList\DefaultMediaCost]
Re-Merge-In my settings ( Jeff-Relf.Me/Win10.REG.TXT ), 
check for updates, ReBoot.

Also, I have to re-format all of my File-Explorer folders,
so they look the way I want -- very annoying.
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        Claudius_Denk│claudiusdenk  d3f9036f-b12a-4b19-86ff-89fa6fd0a5ed@googlegroups.com
      Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  h87fvfFgdt3U1@mid.individual.net
    Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  h89ngmFb08U2@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.15--4.48pm.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m22 Top; 15.1 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win7, Individual.NET,  Jan 15 {  4: 2pm, 2020 }:29^(11)  XоϠʕ
      "Claudius Denk" rides the short bus.

"Claudius Denk" thinks our inability to understand
his "explanations" is just further proof of his 
"humble genius" ( as he puts it ).

If NO ONE in the world understands him,
that's just further proof of how unique and special
his talents are, compared to EVERYONE else.

He rides the short bus, because he's special.

Einstein would tremble in his presence, I'm sure.
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              Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  h87fvfFgdt3U1@mid.individual.net
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.15--2.23am.Seattle.2020
          James_McGinn│jimmcginn9@gmail_  c9898b9a-fda7-4134-ba51-17458e135a9d@googlegroups.com
        MichaelMoroney  qvnh4d$k5j$2@pcls7.std.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.15--11.20am.Seattle.2020
    Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  qvnovv$1vol$2@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.15--11.32am.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 2  m176 Mad; 1.8 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win7, Aioe.ORG,  Jan 15 { 11:25am, 2020 }:44^(-6)  XоΤɨ
      James McGinn is neither humble nor a genius.

Sergio replied ( to me ):
> > H2O is not immune to entropy.
> > James McGinn willfully ignores thermodynamics.
> 
> McGinn willfully ignores science.

He's a self-proclaimed "humble genius",
misunderstood by mere mortals, such as ourselves.

Truth is, he is neither humble nor a genius.
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            Claudius_Denk│claudiusdenk  d3f9036f-b12a-4b19-86ff-89fa6fd0a5ed@googlegroups.com
          Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  h87fvfFgdt3U1@mid.individual.net
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.15--2.23am.Seattle.2020
      James_McGinn│jimmcginn9@gmail_  c9898b9a-fda7-4134-ba51-17458e135a9d@googlegroups.com
    MichaelMoroney  qvnh4d$k5j$2@pcls7.std.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.15--11.20am.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m215 Dropped; 1.7 Hours, nn, TheWorld.COM,  Jan 15 {  9:11am, 2020 }:41  Xоʫუ
      H2O is not immune to entropy.

H2O is not immune to entropy.

James McGinn willfully ignores thermodynamics.
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      Claudius_Denk│claudiusdenk  d3f9036f-b12a-4b19-86ff-89fa6fd0a5ed@googlegroups.com
    Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  h87fvfFgdt3U1@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.15--2.23am.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m21 Top; 6.4 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win7, Individual.NET,  Jan 14 {  7:41pm, 2020 }:34^(11)  Xоaნ
      In a 0°F freezer, food dehydrates, ice sublimates.

For the millionth time, "Claudius Denk" wrote:
> > Everyone "knows" ( believes )
> > in "cold steam" ( below 100c at 1 atm ) 
> > but nobody can explain it ( to me ).

The velocity of molecules is Gaussian/semi-random;
the temperature is merely the top of the bell curve,
it doesn't tell you what the other molecules are doing;
some are going much faster; others, much slower.

In a 0°F freezer, food dehydrates, ice sublimates;
it's called "freezer burn".

If you don't understand that, 
then you don't/won't understand entropy.

Your ignorance is willful.
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              TheSnitBot  h701hqF8spiU1@mid.individual.net
            SteveCarroll  3a39f584-33c3-4e32-a88a-8074aeeb81f2@googlegroups.com
          TheSnitBot  h71el9Fi29qU1@mid.individual.net
        SteveCarroll  aeb6a1e6-d9d2-4701-80bb-c9f1dd29b495@googlegroups.com
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.1--1.30am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 5  m268 Mad; 14.3 Hours, GoogleG,  Dec 31 { 10:47am, 2019 }:12^(PST)  XдΜц
      The proud, the few, the white.

Michael Glasser wrote:
> > Nordic countries do quite well. 

Yes, Hitler would agree.

The proud, the few, the white.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.29--3.32pm.Seattle.2019
            Roy_Masters│noemail@invalid_  que1q9$q07$2@gioia.aioe.org
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.30--6.26pm.Seattle.2019
        Roy_Masters│noemail@invalid_  qufrne$ver$1@gioia.aioe.org
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.31--9.50am.Seattle.2019
    Roy_Masters│noemail@invalid_  qug6j4$jgl$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.31--0.56pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m9 Cool; 17.6 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win7, Aioe.ORG,  Dec 31 { 11:12am, 2019 }:39^(-5)  XдΡd
      California AB5.

Roy Masters replied ( to me ):
> > Six squatters in a room, all knife/gun wielding,
> > horny, thieving junkies/dealers
> > is a recipe for disaster.
> 
> What does that have to do with 
> communal fridges/toilets?

The Tragedy of the Commons.
Six squatters abusing someone's fridge.

The city does everything in his power
to make sure that "undesirables":

    1) Acquire a place to rent.
    2) Can't be evicted.

The city doesn't pay for this (above);
no, landlords/managers/tenants pay the price.

> > > > I'm talking one person per micro-apartment,
> > > > in a dense, urban environment.
> > >
> > > Apartment Nazis?
> > 
> > Yes, but no invading Russia.
> 
> Good luck with that.

For those who prefer communal living,
yet can't properly behave, jail awaits.

> > Unions win and the poor die in the streets.
> > I see it all the time, every election cycle.
> 
> I am no fan of unions but wouldn't go that far.

The poor are dying in the streets; unions have removed
the lower rungs of the ladder, e.g. California AB5.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.29--2.42pm.Seattle.2019
            Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  shbi0fhca235hjfu35i3b9qn2i32ccqqd1@4ax.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.29--3.32pm.Seattle.2019
        Roy_Masters│noemail@invalid_  que1q9$q07$2@gioia.aioe.org
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.30--6.26pm.Seattle.2019
    Roy_Masters│noemail@invalid_  qufrne$ver$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.31--9.50am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m8 Cool; 52 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win7, Aioe.ORG,  Dec 31 {  8: 7am, 2019 }:13^(-5)  Xдʡȿ
      It's cheaper to just dump it on the landlords.

Roy Masters replied ( to me ):
> > >  Tragedy of the Commons.
> > 
> > Right, shared refrigerators/toilets are a bad idea.
> 
> Are you now claiming that Pruitt-Igoe failed 
> not because of unions, but because it had 
> communal refrigerators and toilets ?  ( did it ?? )

Six squatters in a room, all knife/gun wielding, 
horny, thieving junkies/dealers 
is a recipe for disaster.

> > I'm talking one person per micro-apartment [*],
> > in a dense, urban environment.
> >    [ *: strictly enforced ]
> 
> Apartment Nazis?

Yes, but no invading Russia.

> > People would behave better if they could get a slice
> > of the pie; i.e. if unions would share the wealth,
> > so everyone, including themselves, could work fewer
> > hours, for lower wages, as gig workers do.
> 
> > Instead, we have a California AB5 and high minimum wages.
> 
> Back to blaming the unions ?

Absolutely, they want it all for themselves;
they're experts at removing the lower rungs of the ladder,
to avoid competition.

Unions win and the poor die in the streets.
I see it all the time, every election cycle.
 
> They are far less relevant now compared to 
> the 50s/60s, so why is the homeless problem
> getting worse ?

Because no one cares about the mentally ill.

Because it's too expensive to help them;
it's cheaper to just dump it on the landlords
and property managers.
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            SteveCarroll  b1b6cb7e-7022-498c-955c-d327c4dc83fc@googlegroups.com
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      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.30--7.27pm.Seattle.2019
    SteveCarroll  44046e9c-6396-485c-a62f-8d5dce39eaa3@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.31--9.18am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 3  m267 Mad; 27.3 Minutes, GoogleG,  Dec 31 {  8:31am, 2019 }:50^(PST)  Xдʥɮ
      Trillions of dollars of moral hazard.

Steve Carroll wrote:
> I don't believe the Fed has the kind of complete power 
> it would take to prevent the market from crashing. 

It has an unlimited supply of money,
and propping up the bond/equity market doesn't 
cause consumer-price inflation.

It's just trillions of dollars
of moral hazard, that's all.

It's never been done before, 
to this extent.
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              Klaus_Schadenfreude│  0ulk0fdpn20hvekdn17kcbrgi55sl7mkb9@4ax.com
            SteveCarroll  40599354-462b-4ec9-976d-7c770c74a818@googlegroups.com
          TheSnitBot  h6v69kF3l4hU1@mid.individual.net
        SteveCarroll  b1b6cb7e-7022-498c-955c-d327c4dc83fc@googlegroups.com
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    SteveCarroll  f7e386da-68bb-4712-9df3-cd9a21bc073a@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.30--7.27pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 3  m266 Mad; 3.7 Hours, GoogleG,  Dec 30 {  2:46pm, 2019 }:23^(PST)  XгჩЕ
      The Fed won't let the market go down.

Steve Carroll wrote:
> [ The equity and bond markets had one of their ]
> best decades in roughly a century and a half.

Since 2008, the Fed has put 4.5 trillion $
worth of (bad) assets on its balance sheet,
over a trillion from Fannie-n-Freddie alone.

Basically, they won't let the market go down;
spreads between low and high credit quality
are so tight, you can't tell who's cheating.

Like they say, "You can't fight the Fed".
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              .  cv0k0f968hf4l7eamce1t2gpa256llva40@4ax.com
            .  16oOF.473763$1N2.149462@fx21.ams1
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        .  RGoOF.369783$BD1.43657@fx10.ams1
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.30--8.14am.Seattle.2019
    pyotr_filipivich│phamp  gnbk0fpn2crbg18i953rqahfbofja4lqae@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.30--10.11am.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Survival, Talk.Politics.Guns, Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m1 Shifty; 9.4 Minutes, F_Agent, Earthlink.COM, 50.34.199.48,  Dec 30 {  9:12am, 2019 }:41^(-8)  Xгвf
      Which communist apparatchik ?

"pyotr" wrote:
> LA, San Fran and Seattle are run by Progressives,
> with Caracas as their model city.
                              
Which communist apparatchik came up with,
and funded, Uber and Air B&B ?!  

The unions are fighting back with California AB5,
but they're going to get sued to hell and back.

It'll be interesting to see how this plays out.
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              Klaus_Schadenfreude│  bcvj0f1ag73rkiep1l1r0pumd0iclp8bk6@4ax.com
            jBINV⚛←_╬_𝑴𝒊𝒈𝒉𝒕𝒚_  DrnOF.377962$oZ5.18899@fx06.ams1
          Klaus_Schadenfreude│  cv0k0f968hf4l7eamce1t2gpa256llva40@4ax.com
        XB1hf⚛←_╬_𝑴𝒊𝒈𝒉𝒕𝒚_  16oOF.473763$1N2.149462@fx21.ams1
      Klaus_Schadenfreude│  ng4k0fpsdse76p84rvfrlb4aaf208ume6e@4ax.com
    iCZhh⚛←_╬_𝑴𝒊𝒈𝒉𝒕𝒚_  RGoOF.369783$BD1.43657@fx10.ams1
Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.30--8.14am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns, Alt.Survival
    ╱ 1  m1 Shifty; 30.9 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Posting.Tweaknews.NL➤Tweaknews.NL,  Dec 30 {  7:26am, 2019 }:40^(-5)  XгРʠ
      If you need more socialism...

If you need more socseasialism, Mr. "iCZhh",
move to Venezuela, Argentina, or Cuba;

but bring dollars because the local 
currencies/governments are worthless.

If you need more capitalism, try Hong Kong, 
Los Angeles, San Francisco, or Seattle;

but bring a skilled trade, because 
your savings won't last long.
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              .  qua2ga$53c$1@gioia.aioe.org
            .  h6rh5lFarl5U1@mid.individual.net
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.29--6.12am.Seattle.2019
        Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  h6sn9pFiho1U2@mid.individual.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.29--2.42pm.Seattle.2019
    Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  h6th6mFndd0U2@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.30--7.55am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate, Sci.Physics.Relativity
    ╱ 1  m2 Top; 7.4 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win7, Individual.NET,  Dec 29 {  9:44pm, 2019 }:54^(11)  XгΒʮ
      Sydney is Disneyland.

Sylvia replied ( to me ):
> > The price of land doesn't explain
> > the high cost of a condo in a high-rise.
> 
> As soon as you have permission to build
> a high-rise [ the price of the land ]
> goes up accordingly.

Good point.

In Disneyland, bottled Water costs 4$.

Sydney is Disneyland.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.29--2.42pm.Seattle.2019
            Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  shbi0fhca235hjfu35i3b9qn2i32ccqqd1@4ax.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.29--3.32pm.Seattle.2019
        Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  t1ei0f5crerkkrf9p2jvvoohg4n9i2qdh7@4ax.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.29--4.00pm.Seattle.2019
    Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  n7gi0fd3p023fb575o6fss4pcm351fo8dp@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.29--4.58pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate, Sci.Physics.Relativity
    ╱ 1  m76 Cool; 36.4 Minutes, F_Agent, Alt.NET,  Dec 29 {  4:17pm, 2019 }:37^(-5)  Xгɺჟ
      Gig jobs are outlawed.

Hømer replied ( to me ):
> > How are poor people supposed to take care of themselves
> > when unions won't let them compete ?!
> 
> Poor people can do work other than union work.

I'm talking about "scabs", gig workers,
not working a union job.

Gig jobs are outlawed, see:

  California AB5
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.29--6.12am.Seattle.2019
            Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  h6sn9pFiho1U2@mid.individual.net
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.29--2.42pm.Seattle.2019
        Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  shbi0fhca235hjfu35i3b9qn2i32ccqqd1@4ax.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.29--3.32pm.Seattle.2019
    Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  t1ei0f5crerkkrf9p2jvvoohg4n9i2qdh7@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.29--4.00pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate, Sci.Physics.Relativity
    +-, 16.8 Minutes, F_Agent, Alt.NET,  Dec 29 {  3:40pm, 2019 }:45^(-5)  XгɴЫ
      Give them a piece of the pie.

Hømer replied ( to me ):
> > It (Pruit Igoe) was torn down because (government) unions 
> > can't take the competition.
> 
> Wrong, mush for brains.

Stop looking in the mirror, you're projecting again.

How are poor people supposed to take care of themselves
when unions won't let them compete ?!

Give them a piece of the pie,
and maybe they won't take so many drugs.
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              .  qua2ga$53c$1@gioia.aioe.org
            .  h6rh5lFarl5U1@mid.individual.net
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.29--6.12am.Seattle.2019
        Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  h6sn9pFiho1U2@mid.individual.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.29--2.42pm.Seattle.2019
    Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  shbi0fhca235hjfu35i3b9qn2i32ccqqd1@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.29--3.32pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate, Sci.Physics.Relativity
    ╱ 1  m5 Cool; 27.5 Minutes, F_Agent, Alt.NET,  Dec 29 {  2:56pm, 2019 }:49^(-5)  Xгɭʩ
      Killing the poor.

Hømer replied ( to me ):
> > We need densely-packed micro-apartments,
> > standardized, modularized, built in China.
> > 
> > Someone like Bill Gates or Jeff Bezos
> > might be able to pull it off.
> 
> Google Pruitt-Igoe, you ignorant fool

It was torn down because (government) unions 
can't take the competition.

Cheaper rent is a huge advantage;
I could use that to take "your" job.

"Killing the poor" is the government's byline.
■
              .  3cdf0411-683a-4e2a-8e26-9c0f7202ee78@googlegroups.com
            .  qu3pgu$kat$1@pcls7.std.com
          .  qua2ga$53c$1@gioia.aioe.org
        .  h6rh5lFarl5U1@mid.individual.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.29--6.12am.Seattle.2019
    Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  h6sn9pFiho1U2@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.29--2.42pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate, Sci.Physics.Relativity
    ╱ 1  m1 Top; 15 Secs, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win7, Individual.NET,  Dec 29 {  2:22pm, 2019 }:48^(11)  XгɧЮ
      Densely-packed micro-apartments,

Sylvia replied ( to me ):
> > If Sydney's homes were built in China,
> > ordinary fools could afford one.
> 
> The price of housing in Sydney is driven mainly 
> by the cost of purchasing land, the price of which
> reflects the high demand and low supply.

The price of land doesn't explain 
the high cost of a condo in a high-rise.

Imagine if all you could ever buy were
custom-made shoes/clothes;
prices would be ridiculous.

We need densely-packed micro-apartments,
standardized, modularized, built in China.

Someone like Bill Gates or Jeff Bezos
might be able to pull it off.

The government won't do it, because they 
( the unions ) don't want the competition;
already, they're banning gig workers,
Google "California AB5".

They'd sooner kill the poor than compete with them;
in fact, they are.
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              .  qu311o$q1t$1@gioia.aioe.org
            .  1bb5b83c-4dad-4956-98c4-93ef2437c027@googlegroups.com
          .  3cdf0411-683a-4e2a-8e26-9c0f7202ee78@googlegroups.com
        .  qu3pgu$kat$1@pcls7.std.com
      Barry_Aecca│baae@go2netw_nv  qua2ga$53c$1@gioia.aioe.org
    Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  h6rh5lFarl5U1@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.29--6.12am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate, Sci.Physics.Relativity
    ╱ 1  m5 Top; 2.1 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win7, Individual.NET,  Dec 29 {  3:32am, 2019 }: 3^(11)  Xвჱɻ
      Undiscovered, intrinsic spin.

Sylvia replied ( to Barry ):
> > does the entangled state need a medium,
> > to the end-point destination ? 
> 
> There is no evidence that anything at all is 
> transmitted between entangled particles. 
> 
> Measurements can be space-like separated, 
> meaning that even the order of the measurements, 
> and hence the direction of some 
> supposed transfer, is undefined.

Your answers are always quite beautiful 
and correct, Sylvia.  I'm impressed.

The local cause of entanglement is unknown;
I suspect momentum -- intrinsic spin.

Serious Scientists " Shut Up and Calculate. "
when they don't know the answer,
instead of imagining infinite universes, 
spawning at an infinite rate, 
laughing in the face of thermodynamics,
as we're want to do, in our dreams.

P.S. 
Perhaps homes are priced correctly.

After all, they have to be maintained,
and it requires local/expensive labor.

If our homes could be built and maintained
in China, ordinary fools could afford one.
■
              FabianRussell  qu186i01gpf@news2.newsguy.com
            HughHuntzinger  7e92cdd1-6104-467a-aa44-11c352aa0dc0@googlegroups.com
          FabianRussell  qu2g25018cq@news1.newsguy.com
        HughHuntzinger  ba50f90e-859c-4405-bd64-96d6548ada51@googlegroups.com
      FabianRussell  qu2mgn0sqt@news3.newsguy.com
    HughHuntzinger  1dc704b9-5308-49c5-8a70-fec6db60a66b@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.27--0.10pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 6  m63 Cool; 23.5 Hours, GoogleG, 143.85.5.26,  Dec 26 {   :15pm, 2019 }:36^(PST)  Xбɒρ
      Jeff Bezos is a real programmer.

Real programmers only care about the final product.

Jeff Bezos is a real programmer.
■
Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.27--11.42am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
      I wish the DMV ran my grocery store.

No one ever said:
" I wish the DMV ran my grocery store ".

Since 2015, UK's Royal Mail, est. 1516,
has been fully private.
US Mail is nearly a subsidiary of Amazon.

NASA once dominated commercial cargo,
then ESA, now it's SpaceX ( Falcon Heavy ).

The Logitech g635 headset I ordered 
last night arrived this morning;
I'm using it now.

An Amazon shirt (phone) CALLED me;
so there was no chance of losing the package.

" Back Door Only, call 206 555 1234 "
is now part of my "address", printed on the label,
so the deliveryman sees it.
■
Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.26--7.07am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
      " We can't compete, you must die " -- California unions.

The older generation is/was BURDENED by
large families/houses; today's kids have
many more opportunities.

California unions have passed legislation
designed to "kill" millions of gig workers;
" We can't compete, you must die ",
I hear them say.

Uber has vowed to continue operating
as they currently do -- God[*] bless them.
[*:Nature]
■
              Kensi  qtes50$1bd$1@gioia.aioe.org
            Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  h60cm9FmudpU1@mid.individual.net
          Trevor_Wilson│trevor@rageaudio_  h60tstFqafiU1@mid.individual.net
        Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  h62kkdF6qbrU1@mid.individual.net
      Trevor_Wilson│trevor@rageaudio_  h62su1F8cg8U1@mid.individual.net
    Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  h630hjF93ebU1@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.20--1.20am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Talk.Politics.Guns, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m4 Top; 4.8 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win7, Individual.NET,  Dec 19 {  8:21pm, 2019 }: 3^(11)  XЬЩΘ
      I'll start writing checks -- not.

I can't help but shed a tear for 
all those wealthy people building 
their mansions by the rising sea 
and burgeoning national forests.

Some of them can't even afford 
10 million dollar homes !

If there's anything I can do for them, 
just let me know, and 
I'll start writing checks -- not.
■
Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.18--6.06pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
      Pain relief.

Were today's economy truly better than ever, 
central banks would be raising rates, 
cooling things down; but our statistics are off.

Old age, disability, and professional scofflaws
are on the rise, and no one has a decent solution.

In China, traditional family values help, and
the government covertly "re-educates undesirables";
in the Philippines, the slaughter is more overt.

In New York, jail costs 1,000$/day/person;
the cheaper alternative is to just let everyone
"steal, trespass, assault, etc." with impunity.

Apparently, central banks think negative interest rates
will alleviate the pain, like heroin ( and/or religion ).

Pain relief is the focus of all religions,
including (godless) Buddhism/Marxism.
■
Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.16--11.07pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
      The majority "wins" ( e.g. Mao, Pol Pot ).

Would you rather live in socialist North Korea 
or capitalist South Korea ?

N. Korea isn't just physically dark,
it hides (sex) slavery.

Now, you can argue that such slavery exists everywhere,
even under capitalism -- and you'd be right;
but, under capitalism, it's out in the open.

Billionaires aren't the biggest problem in the world today,
far from it; so, please, stop focusing on it.

Jealousy is ugly, sinful, abhorrent, and destructive;
it leads to Pol Pot Communism, the killing fields,
and HIDDEN (sex) slavery, as in North Korea.

When you're a member of the urban poor,
with a crappy part-time job ( or SSI check ),
" Annual Rent Increase == Inflation Rate ".

Before long, you can't pay rent;
and "thieving junkie" becomes your best option.

Before long, war breaks out;
the majority "wins" ( e.g. Mao, Pol Pot ).
■
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.14--0.40pm.Seattle.2019
    Checkmate│More_Bull_Schiff  cp2h52.jp3.17.28@news.alt.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.15--4.34pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m5 Shifty; 6.2 Hours, MicroPlanet, Alt.NET,  Dec 15 {  9:47am, 2019 }:44^(-8)  XЩзღ
      "Tiny Tim" ( Artful Dodger ) is strung-out on drugs.

Checky replied ( to me ):
> > Today, worldwide, kids are a liability; sans family,
> > "Thieving Junkie" is the most popular profession.
> 
> I support post-birth abortion... 
> up to the age of at least 30.

More likely, they'll kill you first.

Today's Scrooge is a government-funded[*] heathen;
"Tiny Tim" ( Artful Dodger ) is strung-out on drugs.

[ *: Don't call it "Quantitative Easing" ]
■
Russian programmers are the best;
too bad you didn't know that from the start.

I live in Seattle and I've been using
Microsoft C since 1989; DOS since 1983.

I'm a self-proclaimed expert in C and CSS;
I wrote:
    Jeff-Relf.Me/userContent.CSS.TXT
    Jeff-Relf.Me/X.ZIP
    Jeff-Relf.Me/MouseKeyboardLayout.PNG
    Jeff-Relf.Me/Macros.HTM
■
Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.13--6.08pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
      30 minute TV shows are now 6 GigaBytes.

30 minute TV shows are now 6 GigaBytes;
but damn, the SurroundSound is amazing throughout.
My Logitech g635 headset never sounded better.

Set in the Star Wars' world,
after the fall of the Empire,
before order is restored,
"The Mandalorian" is basically
a Western on steroids 
-- complete with amazing droids,
bizarre creatures, and baby Yoda.
■
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.5--6.39am.Seattle.2019
      Janithor│Janithor@comcast_net  qss7p7$pq0$1@news.albasani.net
    MrChrisV  0jf4vedh57rfpiecabp0nojvjkivb87pvh@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.12--9.11am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m127 Dropped; 2.3 Hours, F_Agent, HighWinds➤Fastusenet.ORG,  Dec 12 {  5:21am, 2019 }:40^(-6)  XЧϻυ
      Pol Pot's subsistence farmers were "greedy" ?

MrChrisV replied ( to me ):
> > > Pol Pot Communism ( where subsistence farmers
> > > and businessmen trade careers, destroying
> > > everything-n-everyone ) is fueled by jealousy.
> 
> I would say it's fueled by "greed".

Pol Pot's subsistence farmers were "greedy" ?

> > > Mainland China is jealous of Hong Kong, killing it.
> > > Bernie Sanders is doing the Pol Pot dance here too.
> > > The world has gone insane.
> 
> Pretty soon, we'll all be shitting in buckets!   8)

Shit into a soup ladle then put it in a tightly sealed
Vittles Vault so no one can smell it;
-- it's better and cheaper.

Or keep being jealous, see where that gets you.
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          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.5--6.39am.Seattle.2019
        Kensi  qscqiv$t79$10@gioia.aioe.org
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.6--3.05pm.Seattle.2019
    Kensi  qsflmq$1jc$3@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.7--6.32am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m11 Dropped; 6.4 Hours, NewsTap➤iPad, Aioe.ORG,  Dec  6 { 11:51pm, 2019 }:57^(2)  XФɌϝ
      "Jealousy" is your song and dance, ko0ky.

Kensi replied ( to me ):
> > > Pol Pot Communism ( where subsistence farmers
> > > and businessmen trade careers, destroying
> > > everything-n-everyone ) is fueled by jealousy.
> > >
> > > Bernie Sanders is doing the Pol Pot dance here too.
>
> That does not seem to be a retraction of your scurrilous false 
> comparison of Sanders to a mass murderer, ko0ky.

"Jealousy" is your (ugly) song and dance, ko0ky; 
and Bernie is playing the tunes, Pol Pot style.
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            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.5--6.39am.Seattle.2019
          Kensi  qscqiv$t79$10@gioia.aioe.org
        Ted│ted@sam_street  almarsoft.1836365811540136593@us.news.astraweb.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.6--5.32pm.Seattle.2019
    Ted│ted@sam_street  almarsoft.257718492301617380@us.news.astraweb.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.6--8.32pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m5 Shifty; 56.6 Minutes, Groundhog➤Android, HighWinds,  Dec  6 {  7:15pm, 2019 }:39^(-5)  XФWτ
      Bernie isn't as rich is his peers.

Ted replied ( to me ):
> > If the word "communism" is too scary for you,
> > try "jealousy", as it's just one of the 7 deadly sins,
> > like gluttony -- and Bernie is definitely jealous.
> 
> Bernie's a multimillionaire. 
> I'm sure he's not jealous at all.

Bernie isn't as rich is his peers.

He had to run a popular presidential campaign, twice,
and sell some books before he got his paltry millions
( not enough to buy a fancy house, in my neck of the woods ).

It's pretty obvious that he's concerned about relative poverty,
not absolute poverty.

> > Absolute poverty should be our primary concern, not jealousy.
> > To date, no one has found a decent solution.
> 
> Oh, I dunno. FDR put a huge dent in it, 
> which was gradually improved by the Democrats through Carter.
> ( But those Democrats are long gone )

Google: Los Angeles, Seattle homeless

> > Like Hitler, Duterte and Chairman Xi, 
> > Ben Jacoby would just kill them ASAP.
> 
> Whatever.

Perhaps Ben is just a horrible communicator,
but his "45 cent" solution rubbed me the wrong way.

I don't know how you could be so callous;
maybe you should get outside more often,
to see what the real world is like.
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            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.5--6.39am.Seattle.2019
          Kensi  qscqiv$t79$10@gioia.aioe.org
        Ted│ted@sam_street  almarsoft.1836365811540136593@us.news.astraweb.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.6--5.32pm.Seattle.2019
    BenJacoby  qsf0fe$1cds$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.6--6.46pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m112 Dropped; 32 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Aioe.ORG,  Dec  6 {  5:49pm, 2019 }:35^(-5)  XФIɟ
      Pol Pot killed/destroyed randomly.

Pol Pot killed/destroyed randomly, Ben Jacoby.

Anyone richer than he was ( prior to his ascension )
was an "undesirable", but he was damn good at 
emaciating his "oppressed" brethren too.

Although today's "undesirables" die rapidly,
plenty live-on, and they need to be taken care of,
if possible.
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        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.5--6.39am.Seattle.2019
      Kensi  qscqiv$t79$10@gioia.aioe.org
    Ted│ted@sam_street  almarsoft.1836365811540136593@us.news.astraweb.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.6--5.32pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 3  m3 Shifty; 18.4 Minutes, Groundhog➤Android, HighWinds,  Dec  6 {  4:46pm, 2019 }:57^(-5)  XФ7з
      Anyone who discusses "relative poverty" is a despicable slob.

Ted replied ( to Kensi ):
> > > Pol Pot Communism ( where subsistence farmers
> > > and businessmen trade careers, destroying
> > > everything-n-everyone ) is fueled by jealousy.
> > > 
> > > Bernie Sanders is doing the Pol Pot dance here too.
> > 
> > You take that back !
> 
> It's idiotic because Bernie is hardly a communist.
> So far, he just comes across as a sheepdog to herd
> leftists like you back into the Democratic Party.

If the word "communism" is too scary for you,
try "jealousy", as it's just one of the 7 deadly sins,
like gluttony -- and Bernie is definitely jealous.

Absolute poverty ( i.e. "undesirables" wandering around
like stray dogs, thieving junkies, squatters,
stealing stuff left-n-right, with impunity ) 
should be our primary concern, not jealousy.

Anyone who discusses "relative poverty"
is a despicable slob.

To date, no one has found a decent solution.

Like Hitler, Duterte and Chairman Xi, 
Ben Jacoby would just kill them ASAP.
■
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.5--6.39am.Seattle.2019
    Kensi  qscqiv$t79$10@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.6--3.05pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m74 Dropped; 9.5 Hours, NewsTap➤iPad, Aioe.ORG,  Dec  5 {  9:56pm, 2019 }:41^(2)  XУΔʡ
      Absolute poverty.

Kensi replied ( to me ):
> > Pol Pot Communism ( where subsistence farmers
> > and businessmen trade careers, destroying
> > everything-n-everyone ) is fueled by jealousy.
> > 
> > Bernie Sanders is doing the Pol Pot dance here too.
> 
> You take that back !

Anyone who discusses "relative poverty"
is committing the sin of envy ( gluttony, 
greed, lust, pride, sloth, and wrath ).

Absolute poverty ( i.e. "undesirables" wandering around
like stray dogs, thieving junkies, squatters,
stealing stuff left-n-right, with impunity ) 
should be your primary concern, not jealousy.

To date, no one has found a decent solution.
■
Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.5--6.39am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
      The world has gone insane.

Avoid tenants that aren't disciplined enough
to have saved up enough money to pay for their
own move-in costs; e.g. those using/abusing
their parents and/or a charity.

Washington State's "Source of Income Protections"
Law ( RCW 59.18.255 ) says that I have to accept
a "promissory note" from a "Social Services agency";
i.e. I MUST let "undesirables" move in before
getting paid anything from anyone.

Evictions are extremely expensive, nightmarish;
just yesterday, I got a death threat from 
an angry gang of squatters who refuse to leave.

Seattle does everything in its power to make
housing "undesirables" my problem, not theirs.

Squatters treat your property like a squat;
and, to feel good about themselves, they MUST 
think that everyone else is doing the same,
including the landlord.

Jealousy is another factor.

Pol Pot Communism ( where subsistence farmers
and businessmen trade careers, destroying
everything-n-everyone ) is fueled by jealousy.

Mainland China is jealous of Hong Kong, killing it.
Bernie Sanders is doing the Pol Pot dance here too.
The world has gone insane.
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.2--7.25pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
      The world isn't so much "in" a depression...

The world isn't so much "in" a depression
as it is depressed -- old and young alike.

"Reggie In China" s01e02 (Beijing) details 
the life of ZTO's package-delivery men in Beijing.

They sleep on plywood, in bunkbeds, 14 to a room;
money is sent home to their rural wives-n-children.

This makes deliveries amazingly good+cheap+fast
( compared to anywhere else ) but it can't last;
such "family values" will soon be gone, Americanized,
no matter how many proverbial "(fire)walls", and 
surveillance systems Beijing might employ.

Instead of "Mak[ing] America Great Again",
some guys try to turn back the clock by finding 
desperate women in secluded corners of the world.

It doesn't work, of course.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.20--4.24pm.Seattle.2019
            HughHuntzinger  e5bfc8e5-e4ae-4ef2-8719-a704ecddbb11@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.21--7.46am.Seattle.2019
        HughHuntzinger  1470cfaf-40a5-4505-8142-b30e8b9eb2ea@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.21--3.47pm.Seattle.2019
    HughHuntzinger  063e6127-d4a4-45a8-8c58-31fd4d4178aa@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.23--5.58am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 30  m68 Cool; 12.6 Hours, GoogleG, 143.85.5.26,  Nov 22 {  7: 1am, 2019 }:36^(PST)  XКʖɠ
      Imprudent Loans.

You make an interesting point, Hugh Huntzinger;
certain tax advantages make it so well-off 
professionals are crowding-out first-time buyers.

By the way, 
a speech-to-text ( Nuance Dragon ) bug transformed
"     [T]here are tax code factors " into: 
" [dense]here are tax code factors ".

If I don't continually re-mute the microphone,
it spits out spurious words like "dense".

It relies on context ("Nuance"); so, sometimes,
I have to say a phrase in order to get the word I want.

You mentioned:
> one's home being a retirement savings investment.  

While that may be true for well-off Boomers,
one should consider what Millennials are/were doing.

2004, they were leaving college and entering the market
burdened with student-loan debt and 8-year car loans;
currently, they're defaulting on these (imprudent) loans.

"Banks" are holding $3.1 trillion in cash-out refis from 2005 - 2007;
recently, cash-out refis have been growing rapidly, like 2005 - 2007. 

Gary Shilling says we're in a recession now, and I quite agree.
A year from now, we'll get the official declaration,
-- a day late, and a dollar short -- and the stock market will dip.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.21--4.27pm.Seattle.2019
            jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qr7k1t$7vi$1@dont-email.me
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.21--10.49pm.Seattle.2019
        jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qr8m1c$dsf$1@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.22--5.55am.Seattle.2019
    jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qr8t23$osj$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.22--7.29pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m25 Shifty; 11.7 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Nov 22 {  6:58am, 2019 }:11^(-6)  XКʕϹ
      Too Embarrassing.

> Never let facts spoil your stories.

...."jim" said, looking in the mirror.

"jim" replied ( to me ):
> > I'm amazed anyone pays their mortgage these days;
> > 50 % of past-due mortgages have gone 5+ years without
> > making any payments at all, and it doesn't even show up
> > on Fannie Mae's reports anymore -- too embarrassing.
> 
> That would be because Fannie Mae was
> not involved with those mortgages.

The re-default rate for Fannie Mae loans:
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-widening-crack-in-the-mortgage-market-could-sink-us-home-prices-2019-10-03

  Until 2018, Fannie Mae published re-default rates 
  for its modified loans in its quarterly Credit Supplement report.

  Based on Fitch Ratings data, the re-default rate for Fannie Mae loans
  modified three or more years ago could be approaching 50%.

The (ongoing) problem is NOT confined to subprime mortgages.

"Banks" are holding $3.1 trillion in cash-out refis from 2005 - 2007;
recently, cash-out refis have been growing rapidly, like 2005 - 2007. 

" This home mortgage disaster is ready to punish housing markets "
By Keith Jurow, Nov 20, 2019
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-home-mortgage-disaster-is-ready-to-punish-housing-markets-2019-11-19

  by mid-2010 there were more subprime modified mortgages
  re-defaulting than there were delinquent loans being
  foreclosed and liquidated by mortgage servicers.   
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.21--8.31am.Seattle.2019
            jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qr6tin$opn$1@dont-email.me
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.21--4.27pm.Seattle.2019
        jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qr7k1t$7vi$1@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.21--10.49pm.Seattle.2019
    jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qr8m1c$dsf$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.22--5.55am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m24 Shifty; 19 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Nov 22 {  4:58am, 2019 }:20^(-6)  XКʁВ
      Negative interest rates are a wealth tax.

"jim" replied ( to me ):
> > An inverted yield curve (accurately) predicts a recession.
> 
> Except when it doesn't like in 1966 or 2019

We're in a recession right now, 
according to Gary Shilling ( and me ).

The recession that started December 2007
wasn't recognized until December 2008.

March 2009, the Dow dropped 50% from its highs;
you amateurs are always late to the party, like that.

> What happened to your claim in your last post that
> " Yield curve inversions are known to cause recessions";
> "predict" and "cause" do not mean the same thing.

The Fed increased short-term rates, mid 2004;
I saw the effects immediately; you amateurs didn't, but I did.
Warren Buffett and Gary Shilling knew about it even earlier.

Today, the Fed is buying/holding long-term assets,
4.5 trillion dollars worth, see:

  http://Jeff-Relf.Me/The.Feds.Balance.Sheet--WSJ.JPG

No one thinks they'll ever be able to back out of that;
it's a gift, a 4.5 trillion dollar moral hazard,
and over a trillion $ of it went to Fannie and Freddie.

I'm amazed anyone pays their mortgage these days;
50 % of past-due mortgages have gone 5+ years without 
making any payments at all, and it doesn't even show up
on Fannie Mae's reports anymore -- too embarrassing.

> > When investors ( and/or the Fed ) think the economy
> > will be getting weaker in the coming decades,
> > they buy safe T-bonds instead of risky stocks.
> 
> The Fed has never bought stocks of any kind let
> alone "risky stocks".

"investors and/or the Fed" bought T-bonds; 
soon, the Fed will be buying/holding stocks too;
-- it'll be a gift, yet another moral hazard.

> late 2007 through 2008 the Fed was powerless 
> to prevent interest rates from fallng to zero.

They stopped it from going below zero;
but that won't last.

Negative interest rates are a wealth tax.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.19--4.39pm.Seattle.2019
            jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qr3ii4$fkh$1@dont-email.me
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.21--8.31am.Seattle.2019
        jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qr6tin$opn$1@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.21--4.27pm.Seattle.2019
    jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qr7k1t$7vi$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.21--10.49pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m23 Shifty; 1.7 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Nov 21 {  7:18pm, 2019 }:21^(-6)  XКXL
      An inverted yield curve (accurately) predicts a recession.

An inverted yield curve (accurately) predicts a recession.

In 2008, long-term Treasuries soared ( yields dropped );
March 9, 2009 the Dow fell to  6,469 .

When investors ( and/or the Fed ) think the economy 
will be getting weaker in the coming decades, 
they buy safe T-bonds instead of risky stocks.

In the year ending August 31st, 2019,
Gary Shilling's 30-year, zero coupon, T-bonds
gave him a 34.5% return; 
in contrast, the S&P 500 gained just 2%.

And he's been killing it, like that, for 40+ years now,
ever since he predicted "the bond rally of a lifetime".
Note: his money is held privately; he's a private man.

The 14th richest man in the world, Michael Bloomberg,
3-term mayor of New York, and current presidential candidate,
chose Gary Shilling to write his editorials.

Warren Buffett and Google are sitting on a mountain of cash.

You can bet against these guys, if you want, "jim";
but you will just be making them richer, and you poorer.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.21--2.56pm.Seattle.2019
            SteveCarroll  774f44f5-c1d1-4694-8bdd-d25a2383cdf7@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.21--4.49pm.Seattle.2019
        SteveCarroll  8e400648-86ad-44a6-a60f-05a2757b64e2@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.21--5.29pm.Seattle.2019
    SteveCarroll  bd7c0cae-aeb6-4732-85f5-a3aad486b7af@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.21--6.45pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 16  m148 Cool; 4.8 Minutes, GoogleG,  Nov 21 {  6:29pm, 2019 }:44^(PST)  XКOღ
      Millennials don't need another reason to be depressed.

Steve Carroll replied ( to me ):
> Millennials are even more interested in buying homes than their parents

They shouldn't be wanting real estate; 
they don't need another reason to be depressed.

" The Economy Is Booming, But Young Workers Are Miserable "
 By Ran Zilca, April 2019:

https://www.barrons.com/articles/young-people-are-increasingly-depressed-and-anxious-and-no-one-knows-why-51556627408
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.21--6.32pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
      Civil Disobedience is extremely popular these days.

Civil Disobedience is extremely popular these days.
Hong Kong people are voting with their feet.
By hook or crook, they're moving to Canada and Australia.

Despite massive walls, including electronic firewalls,
Marxism was never able to stop 
the Exodus of its best and brightest.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.21--7.46am.Seattle.2019
            SteveCarroll  3a4ff598-31d9-4dd6-9ef2-1191dbb8c0c8@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.21--2.56pm.Seattle.2019
        SteveCarroll  774f44f5-c1d1-4694-8bdd-d25a2383cdf7@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.21--4.49pm.Seattle.2019
    SteveCarroll  8e400648-86ad-44a6-a60f-05a2757b64e2@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.21--5.29pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 16  m147 Cool; 10.6 Minutes, GoogleG,  Nov 21 {  5: 2pm, 2019 }: 9^(PST)  XКAʁ
      The Climate Apocalypse Cult is brainwashing school kids.

Steve Carroll replied ( to me ):
> millennials-have-officially-entered-the-housing-market

NewsFlash:  Millennials are First-Time buyers.

What does that have to do with the price of tea in China ?

You're no Gary Shilling, obviously.

> > Thank you for your service but this is the trend:
> > 
> >    http://Jeff-Relf.Me/Global.Fertility.Rates.PNG
> 
> With all the doom and gloom painted by the media 
> every single day, who can blame them ?

The Climate Apocalypse Cult is brainwashing school kids;
and they're drinking the Kool-Aid.

They shout " Save the Planet ! " as they toss
their lunch into the wrong recycling bin.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.20--4.24pm.Seattle.2019
            HughHuntzinger  e5bfc8e5-e4ae-4ef2-8719-a704ecddbb11@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.21--7.46am.Seattle.2019
        SteveCarroll  3a4ff598-31d9-4dd6-9ef2-1191dbb8c0c8@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.21--2.56pm.Seattle.2019
    SteveCarroll  774f44f5-c1d1-4694-8bdd-d25a2383cdf7@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.21--4.49pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 15  m145 Cool; 38.2 Minutes, GoogleG,  Nov 21 {  3:51pm, 2019 }:47^(PST)  XЙჴϒ
      Millennials don't want real estate.

Steve Carroll replied ( to me ):
> > Butt-Fuck Egypt is no one's ideal location.
> 
> LOL! Conversely, Seattle isn't on any lists of 
> home-buying millennials ;)

They aren't buying homes, that's my point.
Nor should they, as Gary Shilling points out here:

  https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-11-04/millennials-should-be-happy-they-are-stuck-renting

The 14th richest man in the world, Michael Bloomberg,
3-term mayor of New York, and current presidential candidate,
has Gary Shilling writing his op-eds.

Forbes too, as well as other prestigious publications,
all around the globe; see:

  https://muckrack.com/a-shilling/articles

>  They want to own their houses,

Millennials don't want real estate;
nor should they, nor can they.

> > Today, kids are more of a liability than anything else.
> 
> Well, they're our (mankind's) future so...

Thank you for your service but this is the trend:

   http://Jeff-Relf.Me/Global.Fertility.Rates.PNG
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.19--1.06pm.Seattle.2019
            jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qr1o70$e61$1@dont-email.me
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.19--4.39pm.Seattle.2019
        jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qr3ii4$fkh$1@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.21--8.31am.Seattle.2019
    jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qr6tin$opn$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.21--4.27pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m22 Shifty; 1.6 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Nov 21 {   :54pm, 2019 }:47^(-6)  XЙთl
      Absent the Fed, T-bill rates would be negative.

"jim" replied ( to me ):
> > Fed Funds rates started going up mid 2004;
> > 3.5 years later, late 2007, the crash began.
> 
> July 2004    Dow is at 10,200
> Sept 2007    Dow is at 13,800

March 9, 2009  Dow hits   6,469

" Late 2007, the crash BEGAN ".

> That doesn't look good for your theory.

Yield curve inversions are known to cause recessions;
it's not "my theory".

> yield curve inversions are not Fed-induced. 

You're the only one who (foolishly) thinks that.

So long as people aren't buying too much, inducing inflation,
the Fed can print as much money as it wants, to buy T-bills;
in the future, the Fed will buy stocks too; like this:

  http://Jeff-Relf.Me/The.Feds.Balance.Sheet--WSJ.JPG

Nothing, Nowhere, is safer than a T-bill;
absent the Fed, T-bill rates would be negative.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.19--4.39pm.Seattle.2019
            jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qr3ii4$fkh$1@dont-email.me
          Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  qr3o2j$151$1@gioia.aioe.org
        jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qr3vnu$1vu$1@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.21--7.11am.Seattle.2019
    jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qr6hkg$dk5$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.21--4.07pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 2  m22 Shifty; 5 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Nov 21 {  9:30am, 2019 }:55^(-6)  XЙеt
      Switzerland's central bank buys US stocks.

"jim" replied ( to me ):
> [ The Fed Funds rate follows the T-bill market ]

The Fed controls the T-bill market;
i.e. they can, and do, invert the yield curve.

By the way, Switzerland's central bank buys US stocks,
e.g. Google and Amazon; Japan does something similar;
before long, the Fed will do the same.

3 to 4 years after the Fed starts raising rates, 
the stock market begins to realize that a recession is coming.

Compared to the last recession, this one will be quite mild,
because rates weren't raised much, and were quickly lowered again.

Normally, when not in an obvious recession,
the fed doesn't lower rates, and 
the government doesn't jack-up deficit spending.
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          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.20--4.24pm.Seattle.2019
        HughHuntzinger  e5bfc8e5-e4ae-4ef2-8719-a704ecddbb11@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.21--7.46am.Seattle.2019
    HughHuntzinger  1470cfaf-40a5-4505-8142-b30e8b9eb2ea@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.21--3.47pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 19  m58 Cool; 5.8 Hours, GoogleG, 143.85.5.26,  Nov 21 {  8:48am, 2019 }:17^(PST)  XЙЮH
      No wonder Millennials don't vote.

Hugh Huntzinger wrote:
> There are tax code factors which make [homeownership] 
> more profitable than it may initially appear.  

Today, kids are more of a liability than anything else.
Millennials aren't really into it.

They can barely afford rent; 
estate taxes aren't on the radar.

No wonder they don't vote;
like you, the candidates are oblivious to their concerns.
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          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.20--4.24pm.Seattle.2019
        HughHuntzinger  e5bfc8e5-e4ae-4ef2-8719-a704ecddbb11@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.21--7.46am.Seattle.2019
    SteveCarroll  3a4ff598-31d9-4dd6-9ef2-1191dbb8c0c8@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.21--2.56pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 12  m141 Cool; 6.2 Hours, GoogleG,  Nov 21 {  8:19am, 2019 }:  ^(PST)  XЙЩy
      The world is flowing INTO cities.

Steve Carroll replied ( to me ):
> buying the right house, in the right area,
> beats the hell outta renting.

Butt-Fuck Egypt is no one's ideal location.
Who wants to spend hours a day commuting ?!
The world is flowing INTO cities, not out of them.

Owning a large house is your dad's dream/nightmare;
his adult kids are in the basement, playing video games.

Today, kids are more of a liability than anything else.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.18--11.04pm.Seattle.2019
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          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.19--1.06pm.Seattle.2019
        jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qr1o70$e61$1@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.19--4.39pm.Seattle.2019
    jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qr3ii4$fkh$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.21--8.31am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 3  m20 Shifty; 1.1 Days, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Nov 20 {  6:28am, 2019 }:19^(-6)  XЙOБ
      Recessions ALWAYS follow a Fed-induced yield curve inversion.

"jim" replied ( to me ):
> Your claim that the [2008] crash was a result of 
> interest rates going up years earlier seems
> counterfactual to me.

Normally, when not in an obvious recession,
the fed doesn't lower rates, and 
the government doesn't jack-up deficit spending.

Recessions always follow a Fed-induced yield curve inversion.
Always.   http://Jeff-Relf.Me/Sell.PNG

Fed Funds rates started going up mid 2004; 
3.5 years later, late 2007, the crash began.

Were history to (perfectly) repeat, 
the crash would've begun mid-2019.

Rates weren't raised much this time,
and the Fed quickly lowered rates again;
hence the delay, I assume.

> Five years is a long time to imagine you are sitting 
> at the top of a roller coaster.

Warren Buffett was accumulating cash in 2002, 
anticipating the 2008 crash.
And he's doing it again, now.
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      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.20--4.24pm.Seattle.2019
    HughHuntzinger  e5bfc8e5-e4ae-4ef2-8719-a704ecddbb11@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.21--7.46am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 9  m47 Cool; 12.9 Hours, GoogleG, 173.54.111.20,  Nov 20 {  5:12pm, 2019 }:42^(PST)  XЙʄg
      Estate Taxes ?!

Hugh Huntzinger replied ( to me ):
> > "Millennials Should Be Happy They Are Stuck Renting"
> > By A. Gary Shilling, Nov 4, 2019 
> > https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-11-04/millennials-should-be-happy-they-are-stuck-renting
> 
> [ Although renters *claim* ] that renting is cheaper
> than buying, the only way that that is possible is 
> if their landlord is literally losing money on their rental.  

How does one buy a room in shared housing ?
How high are the "condo" fees ?

The smallest houses here, immediately north of 
the University of Washington, north Seattle,
cost a million dollars.

And, no, I don't want to be renting out 
"my" house to complete strangers.

Then there's taxes, maintenance, regulations, 
closing costs, interest payments, insurance, etc.

Landlords take on all the risk, not just the upside;
home prices can fall, leaving one underwater.

> the $11M Estate Tax exemption.

Estate Taxes ?! you must be joking.

The people I know are lucky if they can pay rent,
instead of returning home to mom's basement,
or injecting meth in a tent, with a dog,
and stealing ( with impunity ) left and right.

Were you in touch with today's population, Hugh, you'd 
understand why Gary Shilling is buying (micro) apartments
( in popular areas ).

Presidential candidates should be discussing how to
house undesirables ( who break laws, left and right ),
instead of being worried about _ relative poverty.

You're out of touch.
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    jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qr3vnu$1vu$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.21--7.11am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m20 Shifty; 19.9 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Nov 20 { 10:13am, 2019 }:17^(-6)  XЙȴɅ
      When the Fed (foolishly) inverts the yield curve.

"jim" replied ( to Sergio ):
> > it seems the fed raised rates too much too fast 2004 to 2007 (one cause
> > of 2008 crash) and economies have a slow response time as it works
> > through the system. I wonder what the Fed assumes that time constant is?
> 
> First of all, all the Fed did was follow
> the market rates for short term Treasury notes.
> Second the evidence does not support your story.

When the Fed (foolishly) inverts the yield curve,
a recession always follows... Always.
It happens years later but, still, it happens.

    http://Jeff-Relf.Me/Sell.PNG

In uncertain times, people move into cash, the US dollar;
so yields drop -- the Fed is powerless to stop it.

Governments love negative interest rates, after inflation,
because it's a wealth tax, like property taxes.
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.20--4.24pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
      Millennials Should Be Happy They Are Stuck Renting

"Millennials Should Be Happy They Are Stuck Renting"
By A. Gary Shilling, Nov 4, 2019 
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-11-04/millennials-should-be-happy-they-are-stuck-renting
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              Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  qqv8gr$1l1t$1@gioia.aioe.org
            jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qqvato$k4e$1@dont-email.me
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.18--9.27pm.Seattle.2019
        Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  qr14f3$2m8$1@gioia.aioe.org
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.19--0.20pm.Seattle.2019
    jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qr1npk$bop$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.19--5.15pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 2  m15 Shifty; 33.8 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Nov 19 {  1:45pm, 2019 }:22^(-6)  XИςγ
      Did Securitization Cause the Mortgage Crisis ?

"jim" replied ( to me ):
> > > https://corpgov.law.harvard.edu/2011/10/19/did-securitization-cause-the-mortgage-crisis/
> > 
> > You couldn't have picked a better link to support my position.
> > Mortgages have been packaged and resold for many decades,
> > long before the 2007 real estate bubble.
> > 
> > The problem was/is: yield chasing.
> 
> One big inaccuracy is the assumption that the bad loans
> originated with banks. 

Q. Did Securitization Cause the Mortgage Crisis ?
A. No, it did not.

Your miss-directions are annoying me, "jim".
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.17--7.07pm.Seattle.2019
            jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qqudc1$u9t$1@dont-email.me
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.18--11.04pm.Seattle.2019
        jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qr12b1$6fp$1@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.19--1.06pm.Seattle.2019
    jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qr1o70$e61$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.19--4.39pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m15 Shifty; 26.7 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Nov 19 {  1:52pm, 2019 }:31^(-6)  XИσН
      "Investors" like "jim".

"jim" replied ( to me ):
> > The value of your pension goes down when the Fed raises
> > short-term interbank rates because money flees
> > the (much) riskier assets in your 401(k) for
> > the safety of the FDIC-insured checking account;
> 
> my pension account has nearly doubled (grown 70%)
> since rates started to go up 5 years ago.

"Investors" like you, "jim",
were saying the same thing back in 2008.

People like you are always the last ones to realize
that you're at the top of the roller coaster,
about to go down.

Warren Buffett is sitting on a mountain of cash,
as is Google, waiting for the bubble to pop.
http://Jeff-Relf.Me/Sell.PNG
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              Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  qqt4kj$1qrf$1@gioia.aioe.org
            jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qqu6o6$m84$2@dont-email.me
          Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  qqv8gr$1l1t$1@gioia.aioe.org
        jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qqvato$k4e$1@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.18--9.27pm.Seattle.2019
    jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qr0p1u$har$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.19--2.17pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m10 Shifty; 15.6 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Nov 19 {  5:  am, 2019 }:45^(-6)  XИʂj
      Moral Hazard.

"jim" replied ( to me ):
> the govt [gave] away $100 billion in profits
> to [defaulting] homeowners.

Talk about moral hazard...
Where does one stand in line to receive these billions ?

> > http://Jeff-Relf.Me/Sell.PNG
> 
> americas-yield-curve-is-no-longer-inverted

Fine, buy S&P 500 EFT's as the economy shrinks;
it's your money.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.17--6.01pm.Seattle.2019
            jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qqt342$gjc$1@dont-email.me
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.18--0.19am.Seattle.2019
        jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qqu6kb$m84$1@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.18--10.12pm.Seattle.2019
    jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qr0u5q$ehq$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.19--2.01pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 2  m13 Shifty; 5.2 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Nov 19 {  6:28am, 2019 }: 9^(-6)  XИʐϷ
      My knowledge benefits me, and only me.

"jim" replied ( to me ):
> > We're in a recession right now; you just don't know it.
> 
> As long as you know it that is all that matters. right ?

Yes, Precisely.  My knowledge benefits me, and only me.
I'm not an influencer, not by any stretch of the imagination.
I can't force you to look at what you don't want to see.

Officially, the previous recession started December 2007;
people like you didn't know about it until December 2008;
I knew about it in 2005, when the Fed started raising rates.

Warren Buffett also knew; 
contrary to what he says, he's quite the market timer.

Gary Shilling's returns were far higher than than Warren Buffett's;
but Gary's assets are privately held -- because he's smarter.
 
> > Instead of renting, they're either living with their parents
> > or camped out in a tent city, with a dog, injecting meth;
> > here, thieving junkies steal with impunity.
> 
> So you are thinkin these people live on interest income 
> and when rates go down their income disappears 
> and they are out in the cold?

What "rates" ?
(safe) savings accounts or (risky) pensions ?

If you don't see these problems, up close and personal,
then you're deaf, dumb, and blind.

> > The loans are continually rolled-over;
> > shadow banks don't have to repay
> > the trillions of $ they received.
> 
> the trillions of $ [shadow banks] receive is
> not coming from the Fed. 

You ignore the recent, growing repo problem.

Look at the Fed's balance sheet, if you dare:

  http://Jeff-Relf.Me/The.Feds.Balance.Sheet..WSJ.JPG

What would happen if the Fed sold its trillion $ positions
in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac ?

> you don't know what a shadow bank is

....he said, looking in the mirror.

  Examples of important components of the shadow 
  banking system include securitization vehicles, 
  asset-backed commercial paper [ABCP] conduits, 
  money market funds, markets for repurchase agreements, 
  investment banks, and mortgage companies.  
  -- Ben Bernanke, Nov 2013

Again: You ignore the recent, growing repo problem.

> > It's "kick the can", not a cleanup.
> 
> more babble nonsense

UnWinding the Fed's balance sheet would be a cleanup;
but that's not happening any time soon;
they tried, 2016-2018, and it failed.

> I have seen no evidence that [ the Fed is ]
> very good at [ altering the real economy ].

They can induce volatility; that's about it.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.17--3.26pm.Seattle.2019
            jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qqsqgb$ccb$1@dont-email.me
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.17--7.07pm.Seattle.2019
        jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qqudc1$u9t$1@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.18--11.04pm.Seattle.2019
    jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qr12b1$6fp$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.19--1.06pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m13 Shifty; 4.1 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Nov 19 {  7:39am, 2019 }:12^(-6)  XИʜΡ
      Look at the Fed's balance sheet.

"jim" replied ( to me ):
> > > > Why is the Fed's balance sheet still 4.5 trillion $ ?
> > >
> > > [ to prevent deflation ]
> >
> > Whenever the Fed attempts to raise rates,
> > more paper-wealth goes up in flames.
> 
> I thought your story said everything
> goes up in flames when the Fed lowers rates.

The value of your pension goes down when the Fed raises 
short-term interbank rates because money flees 
the (much) riskier assets in your 401(k) for 
the safety of the FDIC-insured checking account; 

so you have to work longer for less. 

> > Globally, oversupply is chronic-n-ubiquitous,
> > and savings accounts are evaporating;
> 
> so you imagine but the evidence is to the contrary.

What kind of interest are you getting on your savings account,
after inflation ?

Globally there's an oversupply of products and a lack of 
demand because there aren't enough good jobs to go around. 

If you're a retired Boomer, and 
your adult kids are still at home, playing video games, 
then spending less is your only option. 

Globally, the world is aging; 
people aren't producing enough ("useless") kids. 

That means negative growth, general deflation; 
e.g. an overproduction of gold ( vs. demand ). 

For more, Google "Gary Shilling". 

By the way, the inner-city poor experience wild inflation 
( in the form of rent ) but that's another story.

> > Boomers and their 30-year-old "dependents" are spending less.
> 
> The Fed made them get old and retire.  Is that what happened ?

The population is aging, see:

   http://Jeff-Relf.Me/Global.Fertility.Rates.PNG

> > The Fed "lends" financiers 4.5 trillion $, interest-free,
> > and keeps rolling it over, for as long as they like;
> > hopefully, they won't spend it on hookers.
> 
> That's your story and you're sticking to it.

Look at the Fed's balance sheet, if you dare:

  http://Jeff-Relf.Me/The.Feds.Balance.Sheet..WSJ.JPG

What would happen if the Fed sold its trillion $ positions
in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac ?
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              Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  qqt4kj$1qrf$1@gioia.aioe.org
            jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qqu6o6$m84$2@dont-email.me
          Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  qqv8gr$1l1t$1@gioia.aioe.org
        jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qqvato$k4e$1@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.18--9.27pm.Seattle.2019
    Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  qr14f3$2m8$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.19--0.20pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 2  m7 Shifty; 3.5 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win7, Aioe.ORG,  Nov 19 {  8:15am, 2019 }:27^(-6)  XИʢθ
      People aren't producing enough ("useless") kids.

Sergio wrote:
> I did not read this one yet;
> https://corpgov.law.harvard.edu/2011/10/19/did-securitization-cause-the-mortgage-crisis/

You couldn't have picked a better link to support my position.

Mortgages have been packaged and resold for many decades,
long before the 2007 real estate bubble.

The problem was/is: yield chasing.

The value of your pension goes down when the Fed raises 
short-term interbank rates because money flees 
the (much) riskier assets in your 401(k) for 
the safety of the FDIC-insured checking account; 

so you have to work longer for less. 

Globally there's an oversupply of products and a lack of 
demand because there aren't enough good jobs to go around. 

If you're a retired Boomer, and 
your adult kids are still at home, playing video games, 
then spending less is your only option. 

Globally, the world is aging; 
people aren't producing enough ("useless") kids. 

That means negative growth, general deflation; 
e.g. an overproduction of gold ( vs. demand ). 

For more, Google "Gary Shilling". 

By the way, the inner-city poor experience wild inflation 
( in the form of rent ) but that's another story.

> I was taking a financial Class at major university 
> when 2008 happened, got inside view.

I simulate small banks in a community, it's my job;
I'm a contractor for the ABA ( ABA.COM, "the bankers" ).
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          Kensi  qqvtog$b8v$2@gioia.aioe.org
        ScottDoty  h3hfpuFgiisU1@mid.individual.net
      Kensi  qr05g0$1guk$1@gioia.aioe.org
    Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.383d440d4c2a645714be@news.altopia.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.19--1.12am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m21 Cool; 54.8 Minutes, MicroPlanet, Alt.NET,  Nov 19 {   :13am, 2019 }:41^(-8)  XИɒɥ
      "dark matter" is vacuum energy.

"dark matter" is vacuum energy.

"dark energy" is entropy.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.17--2.12pm.Seattle.2019
            jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qqsiup$74k$1@dont-email.me
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.17--3.26pm.Seattle.2019
        jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qqsqgb$ccb$1@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.17--7.07pm.Seattle.2019
    jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qqudc1$u9t$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.18--11.04pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m7 Shifty; 2.4 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Nov 18 {  7:29am, 2019 }: 3^(-6)  XЗРн
      Boomers and their 30-year-old "dependents".

"jim" replied ( to me ):
> > Why is the Fed's balance sheet still 4.5 trillion $ ?
> 
> [ to prevent deflation ]

Whenever the Fed attempts to raise rates,
more paper-wealth goes up in flames.

Globally, oversupply is chronic-n-ubiquitous,
and savings accounts are evaporating;
so Boomers and their 30-year-old "dependents" are spending less.
       
The Fed "lends" financiers 4.5 trillion $, interest-free,
and keeps rolling it over, for as long as they like;
hopefully, they won't spend it on hookers.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.14--0.38am.Seattle.2019
            jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qqsjtt$e9p$1@dont-email.me
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.17--6.01pm.Seattle.2019
        jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qqt342$gjc$1@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.18--0.19am.Seattle.2019
    jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qqu6kb$m84$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.18--10.12pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 3  m7 Shifty; 4.3 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Nov 18 {  5:34am, 2019 }: 1^(-6)  XЗϽϡ
      We're in a recession right now.

"jim" replied ( to me ):
> > SubPrime renters/borrowers are the first ones
> > to lose income when the Fed tightens.
> > 
> > Anyone tapped into that lucrative market,
> > including myself, pays the price.
> 
> OK I get it. You are a predatory slum lord and
> you are blaming the Fed whenever you can't
> maximize your predatory profits.

No, you give me way too which credit;
I'm a tenant-cum-manager, not a landlord.

When the Fed raises rates, I feel it immediately,
not 3-4 years later, when YOU "discover" it.

We're in a recession right now;
you just don't know it.

I house people at the very bottom of the rental market,
and I'm located just north of the University of Washington,
North Seattle.

A third of my 31 units are vacant;
2008 was the last time this happened.

Instead of renting, they're either living with their parents
or camped out in a tent city, with a dog, injecting meth;
here, thieving junkies steal with impunity.

> > What makes you think "it's different this time" ?
> 
> the [biggest] fools were wiped out in 2008

I wasn't; 2019 is just a replay of 2008.

The players may be different but the game is the same,
and housing is more of a problem now than it ever was;
1930's Hooverville's were less of a problem.

If you have a "child", you know what I mean.

> look at the pictures from the Great Depression

My parents lived in Seattle during the Great Depression;
it wasn't bad at all, they say.

> > How about I give you a trillion dollar "loan",
> > with a negative interest rate,
> > and no requirement to pay it back ?
> 
> How about you stop babbling nonsense.

That's what the central banks are doing.

The loans are continually rolled-over;
shadow banks don't have to repay 
the trillions of $ they received.

It's "kick the can", not a cleanup.

And it works, so long as interest rates never rise.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.17--6.01pm.Seattle.2019
            jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qqt342$gjc$1@dont-email.me
          Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  qqt4kj$1qrf$1@gioia.aioe.org
        jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qqu6o6$m84$2@dont-email.me
      Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  qqv8gr$1l1t$1@gioia.aioe.org
    jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qqvato$k4e$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.18--9.27pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m9 Shifty; 3.7 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Nov 18 {  3:53pm, 2019 }:27^(-6)  XЗჴვ
      Yield Chasing.

"jim" replied ( to Sergio ):
> > securitization caused a major part of the crash in 2008
> 
> That statement is most certainly correct .

No, securitization was already there, well-established,
thanks to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

The dry tinder was subprime mortgages, yield chasing;
it worked well at first, then fell apart.

Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac bought those subprime loans;
to this day, their liabilities exceed their assets.

"jim" will find a way to excuse this, I'm sure,
just like he found a way to ignore this:

  http://Jeff-Relf.Me/Sell.PNG
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          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.14--0.38am.Seattle.2019
        jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qqsjtt$e9p$1@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.17--6.01pm.Seattle.2019
    jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qqt342$gjc$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.18--0.19am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m4 Shifty; 2.3 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Nov 17 {  7:28pm, 2019 }: 1^(-6)  XЗʚϡ
      How about I give you a trillion dollar "loan" ?

"jim" replied ( to me ):
> > SubPrime borrowers/renters work irregular hours, for irregular pay.
> >
> > Normally, SubPrime lending/renting is super-profitable but
> > the shit hits the fan when the Fed raises rates,
> > like 2004-2006, and 2016-2018 -- it's quite predictable.
> 
> A quick google search reveals subprime auto defaults 
> were highest 2009-2011 when interest rates were lowest.

It starts when FedFunds/Repo rates are rising;
years later, as it's being cleaned up, YOU hear about it.

I, on the other hand, knew about it IMMEDIATELY;
and I know it's going to happen again, 
the next time the Fed attempts to raise rates.

SubPrime renters/borrowers are the first ones 
to lose income when the Fed tightens.

Anyone tapped into that lucrative market, 
including myself, pays the price.

> [ 2007 was ] just a classic speculative bubble.

What makes you think "it's different this time" ?

Ignore these facts, if you must:

  http://Jeff-Relf.Me/Sell.PNG

> > Why is the Fed's balance sheet now 4.5 trillion $ ?
> 
> To prevent the type of monetary collapse that
> occurred during the Great Depression.

That's a high price to pay, with little to show for it.

How about I give you a trillion dollar "loan", 
with a negative interest rate, 
and no requirement to pay it back ?

What would you do with the money ?

Travel the world, looking for new sexual exploits ?

Or would you house undesirables ?
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              .  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.17--0.39pm.Seattle.2019
            .  deafb9d9-de99-41e6-85a9-810dfb21a240@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.17--2.12pm.Seattle.2019
        jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qqsiup$74k$1@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.17--3.26pm.Seattle.2019
    jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qqsqgb$ccb$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.17--7.07pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m3 Shifty; 1.3 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Nov 17 {  5:  pm, 2019 }:59^(-6)  XЗʂx
      Why is the Fed's balance sheet still 4.5 trillion $ ?

"jim" replied ( to me ):
> > Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are bankrupt, right ?!
> 
> Ha HA HA   not even close

September 2008, they were taken over by U.S. regulators. 
June 2010, their shares were delisted from the NYSE.
From Sep 2008 to Aug 2012, they took in $190 billion in aid.

> since 2015 it has been a huge source of revenue

They're all better now ?!

Why is the Fed's balance sheet still 4.5 trillion $ ?

That's a lot of money injected into the economy,
with no repayment in sight, while undesirables go UnHoused.

> > They consumed trillions of dollars of repos,
> > issued by the Fed, with no repayment in sight.
> 
> You clearly don't know what a repo is.

Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are shadow banks;
and, like all shadow banks, they rely on repos.

Are you familiar with what's been happening 
to repos lately, and how it's been getting worse ?!
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      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.14--0.38am.Seattle.2019
    jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qqsjtt$e9p$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.17--6.01pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m2 Shifty; 21.4 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Nov 17 {  3: 8pm, 2019 }:44^(-6)  XЗɯʤ
      SubPrime borrowers/renters work irregular hours, for irregular pay.

Who are you, SJ "jim" Edging ?!  
AnonLinuxUser ? Mr. Man-Wai Chang ?

"jim" replied ( to me ):
> > Talk about interest rate sensitivity...
> > the Fed raises their rates a bit, 2016-2018,
> > and we get a 20% default rate on subprime auto loans.
> 
> The Fed fund rate has nothing to do with subprime auto loans.

SubPrime borrowers/renters work irregular hours, for irregular pay.

Normally, SubPrime lending/renting is super-profitable but 
the shit hits the fan when the Fed raises rates, 
like 2004-2006, and 2016-2018 -- it's quite predictable.

Why is the Fed's balance sheet now 4.5 trillion $ ?

That's a lot of money injected into the economy,
with no repayment in sight, while undesirables go UnHoused.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.14--0.38am.Seattle.2019
            HerbertGlazier  0572f081-2458-48c4-8d80-8731168d3514@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.17--0.39pm.Seattle.2019
        HerbertGlazier  deafb9d9-de99-41e6-85a9-810dfb21a240@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.17--2.12pm.Seattle.2019
    jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qqsiup$74k$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.17--3.26pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m1 Shifty; 1.3 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Nov 17 {  2:52pm, 2019 }: 8^(-6)  XЗɬ϶
      Bankrupt Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

"jim" replied ( to me ):
> > Shadow banks, and failed government programs,
> > such as Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, are the ones
> > who gave-out imprudent loans.
> 
> That is False
> There is no funding source for mortgages that has
> ever done better than Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac
> at picking loans that did not lose money.

Yet they're bankrupt, right ?!

They consumed trillions of dollars of repos,
issued by the Fed, with no repayment in sight.

They issued interest-rate sensitive, adjustable-rate 
mortgages, and they (unknowingly) purchased bad loans.
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        HerbertGlazier  ffc3a06d-49d6-4662-8ff8-b705fbe4cb4e@googlegroups.com
      BenJacoby  qqq8pf$16np$2@gioia.aioe.org
    HerbertGlazier  89faa646-3229-48f0-b560-831c88e94af9@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.17--2.19pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 6  m137 Cool; 19.4 Hours, GoogleG, 74.118.32.5,  Nov 16 {  6:30pm, 2019 }:46^(PST)  XЖЗk
      A million dollars is enough to rent the servants' quarters.

bert wrote:
> Swiss might give me a free Villa if I deposit my $$$$ there.

A million dollars is enough to rent the servants' quarters.
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          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.14--0.38am.Seattle.2019
        HerbertGlazier  0572f081-2458-48c4-8d80-8731168d3514@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.17--0.39pm.Seattle.2019
    HerbertGlazier  deafb9d9-de99-41e6-85a9-810dfb21a240@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.17--2.12pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 12  m137 Cool; 33.4 Minutes, GoogleG, 74.118.32.5,  Nov 17 {  1:23pm, 2019 }:16^(PST)  XЗɝъ
      America ignores the old, the young, the weak.

Bert wrote:
> Banks put jobless families out on the street.

Not FDIC insured banks, not ABA banks 
( American Bankers Association ).

Shadow banks, and failed government programs,
such as Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, 
are the ones who gave-out imprudent loans.

America ignores the old, the young, the weak,
the insane, and the drug addicted.

Jacking up the stock market, using 4.5 trillion $ of 
"quantitative easing" isn't going to house "undesirables"
(strays).
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      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.14--0.38am.Seattle.2019
    HerbertGlazier  0572f081-2458-48c4-8d80-8731168d3514@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.17--0.39pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 29  m134 Cool; 1.2 Hours, GoogleG, 74.118.32.5,  Nov 17 { 10:48am, 2019 }:30^(PST)  XЗȺU
      Weed weed, or pot ?

Bert wrote:
> M&M now in weed-wacking business.

Weed weed, or pot ?

> My van saves me $2,750 + each month.

You could save even more if you robbed banks too,
instead of just squatting/trespassing.

> Here's to looking up a grass skirt.  

Today's women don't tolerate that.

They'll post nude pics to Instagram, 
but they don't want to smell your stinky-ass.
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.14--0.38am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
      Interest Rate Sensitivity.

Talk about interest rate sensitivity...
the Fed raises their rates a bit, 2016-2018, 
and we get a 20% default rate on subprime auto loans.

The same thing happened before, 2004-2006, 
the last time the Fed (foolishly) tried that, 
but with subprime mortgages.

In a tale as old as time, "wolves" devoure the weak;
Darwin won't be cheated.

Ironically, wildly-expensive government "handouts" 
( e.g. the 4.5 trillion $ in repos the Fed gave shadow banks )
are the most efficient killing machines ever devised.
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        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.8--5.24am.Seattle.2019
      The_Starmaker│starmaker@ix_  5DC5B5FC.630E@ix.netcom.com
    MrChrisV  c5dlsetclf9lsa4v8nvi0cs216j7j1r013@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.12--9.08am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m76 Dropped; 2.7 Hours, F_Agent, HighWinds➤Fastusenet.ORG,  Nov 12 {  5:40am, 2019 }:27^(-6)  XГϾЙ
      High-speed Trains to nowhere.

ChrisV wrote:
> [ totalitarian governments accomplish more ]

Marxist China built high-speed trains to nowhere,
and colossal ghost towns, now crumbling.
How many tons of nails must we produce this year, Comrade ?

Karl Marx impregnated his maid and abandoned the child.

It won't be long before China wakes up and chooses 
Taiwan's diversity over the mainland's insularity.
Porn/YouTube will break down the wall.

"Family Values" will become a thing of the past,
and they'll be forced to house "undesirables" (strays).
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            .  qq2u7c$1pbg$3@gioia.aioe.org
          .  h2kd7sFd7erU2@mid.individual.net
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.8--6.34am.Seattle.2019
      Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  ep1bseh5864g4fp50lbtkb7cinqsbf0i7b@4ax.com
    ScottDoty  h2lonsFghecU5@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.8--10.35am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m39 Cool; 12.3 Minutes, Pan, Individual.NET,  Nov  8 {  9:59am, 2019 }:24  XБxგ
      Overturning the concordance model of cosmology.

Scott Doty wrote:
> Then you measure [ the Hubble constant ] in the local neighborhood.
> This is a measurement closer to "now", and low and behold, 
> the CC is showing accelerated expansion.

You can't measure the Hubble constant "in the local neighborhood";
3 million light years is the minimum distance, from here.

Also, the acceleration is accelerating -- "The Big Rip";
" dark energy is getting stronger as the universe ages. ".

> Do you freakin' get it now?

I know Greg got it wrong, he always does;
people like him can't fathom entropy.
He can't work out the difference between eXergy and energy.

Nevertheless, he cited a _ very important study;
Guido Risaliti, and many others, are
overturning the concordance model of cosmology.
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