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      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.5--0.19pm.Seattle.2020
    HughHuntzinger  98a7d12a-c322-4a82-98c2-b34ec2dd8482o@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.5--1.05pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m129 Dropped; 3.7 Minutes, GoogleG, 173.70.116.6,  Jun  5 {   :51pm, 2020 }:35^(PDT)  YdɌπ
      Racism and police brutality are red herrings.

Hugh Huntzinger commented:
> > Police shoving 75-year-old white man.
> 
> after the citizen was knocked down & out,
> the officer failed to render first aid 
> when he had a duty of care.

Yes, as I recently posted:

  Cops must be more sensitive to sick people;
  George Floyd was too weak to handle it.

  He had a heart attack;
  heart disease and COVID-19.

Racism and police brutality are red herrings,
drawing people away from bigger issues; to wit:

  Everyone in America is "rich" ( well-off );
  but that's not enough for the DemocRats;
  they want -everyone- to be (equally) -poor-.

  The goal isn't just absurd and unobtainable,
  it's also undesirable because, 
  without punishments and rewards, nothing happens.

  George Floyd was a thieving junkie,
  and a professional victim, 
  just like his "supporters".
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              AndrzejMatuch  DDuCG.65139$g24.53010@fx30.iad
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.5--0.54pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m161 Cool; 3.5 Minutes, GoogleG,  Jun  5 {   :27pm, 2020 }:33^(PDT)  Ydɀξ
      Punishments-n-Rewards.

Steve mentioned DemocRat-run cities.

Everyone in America is "rich" ( well-off );
but that's not enough for the DemocRats;
they want -everyone- to be (equally) -poor-.

The goal isn't just absurd and unobtainable,
it's also undesirable because, 
without punishments and rewards, nothing happens.

George Floyd was a thieving junkie,
and a professional victim, 
just like his "supporters".

He had a heart attack;
heart disease and COVID-19.

Cops must be more sensitive to sick people;
Floyd was too weak to handle it.
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.5--0.19pm.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m174 Mad; 50.7 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Aioe.ORG,  Jun  5 { 11: 1am, 2020 }:14^(-5)  Ydyɀ
      Police shoving 75-year-old white man.

Police shoving 75-year-old white man:
  www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ww-Xq0yZfw

The police weren't being exceptionally vicious,
the old man simply couldn't handle it.

Likewise, George Floyd was so sick, 
he simply fell down.

He had heart disease and COVID-19;
he was abusing meth and fentanyl.

He died of a heart attack,
not asphyxiation.

He was a thieving junkie,
and a professional victim, 
just like his "supporters".

"Black Lives Matter" is a red Herring;
people use it to avoid the real issues.
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.5--0.56am.Seattle.2020
  Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns, Talk.Politics.Misc, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 2  m73 Cool; 1.9 Hours, MicroPlanet, Alt.NET,  Jun  4 { 10:36pm, 2020 }:30^(-7)  YcжU
      Thieving junkies and professional victims.

Janithor mentioned:
> > random violent criminals, 

They're thieving junkies and professional victims;
they run this place.

> PSSST... Trump in November... right ?
> It must be done.

Perhaps Chairman Xi could lend us a hand.
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              DFS  akxBG.166911$eg7.2416@fx33.iad
            TheRealSteve  e1e16075-9af4-465f-b750-0aaff2abe367@googlegroups.com
          DFS  0nSBG.440989$mf1.261903@fx45.iad
        TheRealSteve  e7deea79-3a26-4fcd-9379-147a44ba20f0@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.4--9.41am.Seattle.2020
    AndrzejMatuch  %B9CG.175247$FY5.29306@fx39.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.4--11.49am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    +-, 1.9 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤X11, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Jun  4 {  9:48am, 2020 }:59^(-4)  Ycʨx
      My subscribers.

Andrzej Matuch replied ( to me ):
> > The "Mindless Chess" game I created:
> >   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7T-eur2tyk
> 
> 1 subscriber.  You're on your way, Jeff. 

Two, counting you.

> Before you know it, you'll no
> longer have to take your dumps in a bucket.

My "Vittles Vault" usage is pure genius.
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        Hugh_Buck│hugb@twinst2ws_ne  rbbbhj$1rim$1@gioia.aioe.org
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.4--11.36am.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╳ 1  m5 Shifty; 12.5 Minutes, PiaoHong/1_42, Aioe.ORG,  Jun  4 { 11:16am, 2020 }:12  YcΗϺ
      Thieving junkies and professional victims.

Hugh_Buck mentioned:
> 2 mil homeless in California

Thieving junkies and professional victims.

Singapore, China and the Philippines
don't tolerate them; here, they run the place.
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              DFS  jwwBG.435186$mf1.16224@fx45.iad
            TheRealSteve  14591e30-90a5-4b78-ae3e-af38374f28d6@googlegroups.com
          DFS  akxBG.166911$eg7.2416@fx33.iad
        TheRealSteve  e1e16075-9af4-465f-b750-0aaff2abe367@googlegroups.com
      DFS  0nSBG.440989$mf1.261903@fx45.iad
    TheRealSteve  e7deea79-3a26-4fcd-9379-147a44ba20f0@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.4--9.41am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 5  m155 Cool; 8.6 Hours, GoogleG,  Jun  3 {  1:36pm, 2020 }:46^(PDT)  Ybეk
      The "Mindless Chess" game that I created.

Steve replied ( to DFS ):
> > I hate getting beat by the chess computer 
> > - and it wins EVERY time unless I set it 
> > on DooFuS mode.  Then it's a draw.
> 
> LOL! I know the feeling... to the point where 
> I'll set it to 1001 and just crush it... 
> but I will give it odds... 
> just played a few minutes ago:
>   https://streamable.com/5r22h2

This is the "Mindless Chess" game that I created:
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7T-eur2tyk

The object is to get as many points as possible;
"winning" is a foregone conclusion.
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          ScottDoty  hjpkgcFibcrU2@mid.individual.net
        TheRealSteve  d8808ba7-d706-40cb-8692-ac96bba21a00@googlegroups.com
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.3--10.43pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 7  m155 Cool; 9.1 Hours, GoogleG,  Jun  3 {  1: 6pm, 2020 }:48^(PDT)  Ybяm
      Asian fascism.

"Black Lives Matter" progressives are 
damaging themselves more than anyone else;
they're self-destructing.

Asian fascism started in Singapore and 
spread to China and the Philippines.

Thieving junkies and professional victims
are not tolerated.

I can see this spreading to India,
Europe and America.
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    DFS  byZBG.193457$2e3.16301@fx35.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.3--10.32pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 2  m183 Top; 2.1 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win8.1, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Jun  3 {  8: 4pm, 2020 }:20^(-4)  YcUВ
      You can't have both your balls and a wife.

DFS:
> an estate worth approx $700K. ...
> she's trying to steal everything she can,
> even though she knows my Dad wanted that house
> ( later, the proceeds ) to go to me.

You ridicule Fabian Russell for not having a wife,
as if it were some kind of deficiency;
the opposite is true, quite obviously.

You can't have both your balls and a wife;
it's one or the other.
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    DFS  GvSBG.73555$n_5.18012@fx09.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.3--10.09pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m180 Top; 1 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win8.1, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Jun  3 {   : 3pm, 2020 }:53^(-4)  Ybфϙ
      Thieving junkies and professional victims.

DFS:
> two local Walmarts closed down because 
> jigs called in to say they would be looting

Everyone in America is "rich" ( well-off );
but that's not enough for the DemocRats;
they want -everyone- to be equally rich.

Here, they're looting Nordstroms, Apple stores,
and fancy boutiques ( University Village ).

Amazon Prime deliveries are taking days;
which affects me, personally.

My 25 lbs, 40", UHD curved monitor has been 
destroying monitor arms at an alarming rate;
my last one didn't last 6 months !

So I'm switching to this 15 lbs, 32" UHD 
(extra) curved monitor:
  https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07VLJPZDR

The most durable monitor arm is:
  https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00MIBN16O

Asian fascism started in Singapore and 
spread to China and the Philippines.

Thieving junkies and professional victims
are not tolerated.

I can see this spreading to India,
Europe and America.
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        RonB│ronb02NOSPAM@gmail_com  rb74v8$qvg$2@dont-email.me
      MrChrisV  eu0fdfhh065120rq7li5g78dc03mvvsj7s@4ax.com
    TheRealSteve  230aa692-5774-4021-a74c-678ef35daec6@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.3--8.15am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m144 Cool; 3.5 Minutes, GoogleG,  Jun  3 {  6:52am, 2020 }:33^(PDT)  YbАП
      If America suddenly became sane.

RonB and ChrisV:
> > > 77 year old, former black police chief,
> > > murdered by looting thugs.
> > >
> > > Almost nothing in the MSM.
> > > Apparently not ALL black lives matter.
> > 
> > 84 shot, 23 fatally, in Chicago, over the weekend.
> > Apparently, no white people were involved, 
> > so it doesn't make the evening news.

America is manic-depressive.

Interest rates could be -30 %, it wouldn't help;
no one is going to lend money to deadbeats, 
looters, murderers and arsonists.

In uncertain times people save money,
investing in the (overpriced) stock market, 
instead of spending it.

If America suddenly became sane,
the stock market would drop like a rock.
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Jeff-Relf.Me@May.31--11.39pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
      Winners in China and Singapore.

Deadbeats don't get additional loans;
— deflation.

In uncertain times people save, not spend;
— deflation.

Warren Buffett is hoarding cash, 137 billion $;
— not gold, not stocks, cash.

Arsonists/Looters/losers chant “eat the rich”;
winners in China and Singapore think differently;
— deflation.
■
Dear editor, why can't I reply to Ms Portia's
> the pillage that is capitalism...
> 
> protesters on Saturday were marching down 
> Rodeo Drive in Beverly Hills chanting 
> “eat the rich”. LOL. 

Why did you allow her "eat the rich, LOL"
comment and not my reply:

Norway and Singapore have the best healthcare 
systems but they're -not- pure communists;
to the contrary, they practice anti-union, 
state-dictated capitalism, a.k.a. fascism.

China follows the Singapore model.
"Eat the rich" communism is weak.
■
Ms Portia replied ( to me ):
> Is it really wisdom and acumen, 
> or just the willingness to run everyone 
> else off the road to get what you want 
> that sets “those who best handle it” apart ?

Teaching a pig to sing is a waste of your time;
and it annoys the pig.

You can't give wisdom to those who are 
unable to receive it; likewise,
it's pointless to give money to those
who can't employ it properly.

You wouldn't give a blowtorch to a toddler,
would you ?!

> Unless you are willing to avidly participate 
> in the pillage that is capitalism in this country, 
> you are weak, stupider than a rabid dog, 
> and deserve to be annihilated.

You don't have to be rich to be a wonderful person;
e.g. Jesus, Buddha, Darwin and Einstein.

Arsonists are dumber than a rabid dog;
sure, their bodies are mature, but 
their minds are (permanently) stunted.

> I just saw on the news that protesters on 
> Saturday were marching down Rodeo Drive in 
> Beverly Hills chanting “eat the rich”. LOL.

They get no respect from me; 
they've all the maturity of a spoiled brat.

> Yes, some things never change.

Blonde haired, blue-eyed Norway,
and "Dεath to drug dealers and dissidents"
Singapore have the best healthcare systems,
but they're fΑscist too, not just socialist.

Pure cοmmunism has never worked anywhere,
and it never will.
 
> Hope your bunker is nice.

I'm face-to-face with the nastiest thieving junkies,
drunks, and homeless squatters you can imagine;
probably -worse- than you can imagine.
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            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.28--2.52am.Seattle.2020
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Jeff-Relf.Me@May.28--4.51pm.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m191 Mad; 1.7 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Mac, Eternal-September.ORG,  May 28 {  3: 2pm, 2020 }:38^(-6)  YXტʞ
      Burning down buildings and looting.

> I bet he was afraid to let go, 
> otherwise he'd get his butt beat badly.
> To me, this cop was nothing more than a psycho.

Nothing polishes the reputation of
"Black Lives Matter" progressives like 
burning down buildings and looting.
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        MichaelMoroney  ramhg4$dn8$1@pcls7.std.com
      Fred_Glover│fregl@fwbup2_sn  ramkbl$ept$10@gioia.aioe.org
    Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  ramngl$ic9$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.28--2.52am.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 3  m153 Cool; 11.8 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Aioe.ORG,  May 27 {  2:53pm, 2020 }:25^(-5)  YXɢდ
      Black lives matter.

Imagine if SpaceX sent black women into space,
and they died in the process !

There'd be rioting in the streets, chanting:

  Black lives matter.
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Jeff-Relf.Me@May.21--8.28pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
      Ignoring bad habits.

The rich are doing better than ever;
-only- the poor are suffering.

It’s silly to blame it on a virus,
completely ignoring bad habits.

Virus or not, obese geezers weren’t
going to live long anyways.

Our youth are suffering too;
half of them are unwanted,
unneeded, “nonessential”, lost.

Hence the low fertility rate;
women are having fewer kids.

The bluer the state, the worse it is;
people are voting with their feet.

Europe is worse off than America.
■
          FabianRussell  r9uaa501t0s@news4.newsguy.com
        DFS  qaywG.201095$872.154004@fx38.iad
      FabianRussell  r9ud8a01v88@news2.newsguy.com
    DFS  1gAwG.166731$AE7.74550@fx41.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.21--9.00am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, News.Software.Readers
    ╱ 15  m230 Top; 2.8 Days, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win8.1, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  May 18 { 11:14am, 2020 }:12^(-4)  YRȴʄ
      What MS Office's "Outlook" might be.

DFS wrote:
> Outlook Express has nothing to do with MS Office.

I've no idea what MS Office's "Outlook" might be.

http://Jeff-Relf.Me/Most.Popular.eMail.Clients.JPG
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Jeff-Relf.Me@May.20--1.25pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
      Everyone suffers, not just the landlord.

Seattle, 2017 laws have made rentals 
much worse for everyone.

Hopefully, 
this will drive up security deposits;
they need to be much, much higher.

Tenants are given lawyers that successfully
prolong evictions for many months.

Not paying rent isn't enough to evict;
charities step in to pay the past due rent.

Judges refuse to hear about tenants' insane 
behavior and they will not consider late fees.

Screeners are not allowed to to know 
a potential tenant's criminal history.

To kick someone out based on bad behavior,
landlords need a formal conviction.

Thousands of dollars are lost this way;
bad tenants push out better tenants.

Everyone suffers, not just the landlord.
Everyone suffers, not just the landlord.
Everyone suffers, not just the landlord.

Thieving junkies ingratiate a tenant,
making it impossible to trespass them.

No-fault eviction is a basic human right,
No-fault eviction is a basic human right,
No-fault eviction is a basic human right,
little different from no-fault divorce.

Quoting ( Seattle Attorney ) Ryan Weatherstone:
> a resident was caught on security 
> camera beating an 80-year-old woman.    
> 
> Due to the Just Cause ordinance, the 
> apartment manager could not simply 
> give him a 20-day notice to vacate.    
> 
> Under the Just Cause process, the 
> low-income housing provider in this 
> case would have had to spend upwards 
> of $20,000 to go through the lengthy 
> process.     
> 
> This would have resulted in the victim 
> enduring the man for additional 
> months, denying a low-income apartment 
> unit from a deserving resident, and 
> tying up resources that could be used 
> to support many more residents.    
https://thelens.news/2020/01/24/i-was-a-seattle-code-enforcer-just-cause-laws-put-neighbors-and-rental-homes-at-risk/
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              ScottDoty  h9irubFgu01U3@mid.individual.net
            Al_Czervik│Caddyshack_Al@gmail_  r148g7$qdd$1@dont-email.me
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.1--10.55am.Seattle.2020
        Al_Czervik│Caddyshack_Al@gmail_  r16t3m$aq2$2@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.2--0.16pm.Seattle.2020
    Al_Czervik│Caddyshack_Al@gmail_  r17bk1$4ua$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.2--2.57pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 22  m50 Cool; 1.3 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Feb  2 {   :31pm, 2020 }:59^(-8)  Xъζɷ
      Banks are (crappy) landlords.

Al Czervik replied ( to me ):
> > Mom-and-pop landlords are being killed off, and 
> > the Fed is pouring money into zombie corporations;
> > banks are going to become landlords, big-time.
> 
> You're talking about repossession of rental properties? 
> Then they will sell them and prices will go down.

Banks are (crappy) landlords.
They let people stay in their homes for years,
paying nothing, because they don't want to book the losses.
 
> I'm not buying into the "Seattle is becoming Detroit"
> thing ( not yet ). 

Quoting ( Seattle Attorney ) Ryan Weatherstone:
> a resident was caught on security 
> camera beating an 80-year-old woman.    
> 
> Due to the Just Cause ordinance, the 
> apartment manager could not simply 
> give him a 20-day notice to vacate.    
> 
> Under the Just Cause process, the 
> low-income housing provider in this 
> case would have had to spend upwards 
> of $20,000 to go through the lengthy 
> process.     
> 
> This would have resulted in the victim 
> enduring the man for additional 
> months, denying a low-income apartment 
> unit from a deserving resident, and 
> tying up resources that could be used 
> to support many more residents.    
https://thelens.news/2020/01/24/i-was-a-seattle-code-enforcer-just-cause-laws-put-neighbors-and-rental-homes-at-risk/
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Jeff-Relf.Me@May.19--2.37am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
      NO-CAUSE EVICTION IS A BASIC HUMAN RIGHT.

Like no-fault divorce, 
NO-CAUSE EVICTION IS A BASIC HUMAN RIGHT;
otherwise, housemates ( in a rooming house,
SRO ) suffer.

When a woman wants out of a marriage,
she doesn't have to explain herself
to anyone; she's just freed.

As it stands now, the police+courts stand 
by the bad actor, forcing better tenants 
to move out of the SRO.

Most of the nation is too rich to understand 
how the police+courts screw-over SRO tenants.

It's very Darwinian, I suppose;
nature has no mercy for the weak.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPFPBzr7FgY
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      MitchellRaemsch  b8601095-1396-4fcf-9b50-882221e907e3@googlegroups.com
    Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  hie6phFe66eU1@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.17--6.47pm.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m4 Top; 11 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Individual.NET,  May 17 {  6:30pm, 2020 }:26^(10)  YQϽQ
      Truth is stranger than fiction.

I hate to pop your bubble, Sylvia, but 
Mitchell Raemsch isn't interested in science.

There's a lot of money in sci-fi;
so not even (pop) physicists are 
truly interested in -real- science.

Their loss, truth is stranger than fiction.
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      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.16--9.16am.Seattle.2020
    AndrzejMatuch  FIVvG.319653$Xk.46008@fx46.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.16--0.24pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 8  m242 Mad; 1.2 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤X11, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  May 16 { 10:49am, 2020 }:25^(-4)  YPиɕ
      Never try to teach a pig to sing.

Andrzej Matuch replied ( to me ):
> > The supply of people ( and goods ) 
> > exceeds demand... [deflation]
> 
> Yet another rambling post 
> whose point escapes everyone.

Never try to teach a pig to sing;
it annoys the pig.

So many unwanted people.

It’s so bad, even our schools are shut down,
with no re-opening date in sight.

Borders are shut down, as if to say:
> We’ve got plenty of people here already,
> thank you very much.

And it’s so very “green”,
Greta Thunberg must be tickled pink.
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Jeff-Relf.Me@May.16--9.16am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
      The supply of people ( and goods ).

The supply of people ( and goods ) 
exceeds demand; schools are closed 
indefinitely, borders are shut down.

Short of a war, how do you decrease 
the supply of people ( and goods ) ?!

If, on the other hand, you'd increase demand,
you'll have to fight Michael Moore,
Al Gore, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, and
Greta Thunberg.
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      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.13--8.07am.Seattle.2020
    Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  r9h3l6$g7i$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.13--10.15am.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 6  m163 Cool; 1.5 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Aioe.ORG,  May 13 {  8:27am, 2020 }:34^(-5)  YNРο
      My money's on the zombies.

Sergio replied ( to me ):
> > Fear grows like a cancer; eventually, 
> > landlords and stockholders run for "the door"
> > ( 30 year treasuries ); the yield curve inverts.
> > 
> 1 mo is at .10%, 30 year at 1.27 %
> hmmm... what do you think inflation 
> will be in 2 to 5 years out ?

Depends on how fast the Feds can print, vs.
how fast the world can default on its debt.

Feds vs. Zombies.

Currently, my money's on the zombies.
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Jeff-Relf.Me@May.13--8.07am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
      China picks up the slack; deflation ensues.

Defaults are killing money 
faster than the Fed can create it.

Smarter millennials don't want to work;
the more you give them, the less they work.
China picks up the slack; deflation ensues.

Fear grows like a cancer; eventually, 
landlords and stockholders run for "the door"
( 30 year treasuries ); the yield curve inverts.
■
Jos Oskam:
> Here in France, I bought a large 
> acreage when I came here in 2003 and 
> leased it to a local farmer.    
> 
> The lease price is under gov’s control 
> and has barely gone up over time.    
> 
> Contrary to property tax and tax on 
> lease income, which each year take a 
> larger bite out of revenue.    
> 
> Plus, it’s as good as impossible to 
> throw the lessee off, even when he 
> refuses to pay or mistreats the property.  

Same here, in urban Seattle;
society carelessly mistreats us.

We've gangs of squatters breaking windows, 
light fixtures, doors, and the washing 
machine/dryer ( for the coins ).

There's a lot of them, high on drugs;
they steal bikes, mail and packages.

The police refuse to do anything about it;
the jails are mostly empty.

We're not allowed to evict;
so the bad tenants have chased out 
the better ones.

I've 5 unrented rooms right now,
out of 32.

Most are not paying rent because 
they know they don't have to;
the landlord is slow to fix things.

The University of Washington is 
shut down indefinitely;
buildings and stores are closed.

The (former) fraternities to my North 
and South are both empty.

The 109 unit apartment complex, 
across the alley, is unusually quiet.

When I first moved here, early 2006,
it was concert-level loud; now you can 
hear the trees rustling in the wind.

Labor force participation is down;
it's a long-term trend.

Fear is growing like a cancer; people
are fleeing risky stocks in favor of 
U.S. treasury bonds, pinning the yield curve.
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      BTY│investorhighriseme  9a6hbf9e3075giomu26hp3900deicvkh0s@4ax.com
    AndrzejMatuch  bt2uG.73276$mI3.263@fx37.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.11--5.29am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m113 Cool; 9.8 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤X11, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  May 10 {  7: 9pm, 2020 }:11^(-4)  YMLΠ
      Do a -clean- install of Windows.

Andrzej Matuch:
> the use of sound in Windows often leads to a blue screen with
> my computer on Windows and absolute stability on GNU/Linux.

Do a -clean- install of Windows.

Download the latest version;
Version 2004 ( May 2020 Major Update ).

Turn off all your startup apps, first, before installing.
Have all your drivers ready, you'll need them.

P.S. I'm not here for love and adoration.
For that, try:  Alt.Furries
■
.
Ain't nothing stopping 
the growth of the zombie horde.

The flight to safety continues unabated.

That means selling stocks ( stockholders are 
first in line to lose their shirts ) and 
buying 30 year treasuries -- because 
nothing, nowhere is safer.

The Japanification of America is real.
                    
Since 1989, Japan's asset prices 
and consumer prices have been falling,
slow and steady -- low and slow GDP growth.

It's 2008 all over again.

Massive printing, no inflation.
No increase in interest rates.
No increase in risk premiums.

What could be greener ?!
Essentially, no one can fly anywhere.

Two weeks quarantine upon arrival;
another two weeks upon return.
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              JimPennino  rc3bog-bgo.ln1@mail.specsol.com
            Edward_Prochak│edprochak@gmail_  8d854b01-e871-46f0-8872-9c7de076148b@googlegroups.com
          JimPennino  cutdog-s74.ln1@mail.specsol.com
        Edward_Prochak│edprochak@gmail_  a75db335-e34d-427c-88fd-e555831323c3@googlegroups.com
      JimPennino  u3mlog-8ps.ln1@mail.specsol.com
    Edward_Prochak│edprochak@gmail_  921a17bd-3f7c-4dba-977c-efb2a2379b61@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.10--0.29pm.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m56 Cool; 1.6 Hours, GoogleG, 67.140.182.170,  May 10 { 10:32am, 2020 }:32^(PDT)  YLеʘ
      Chicken Little's want our GDP to go down.

Edward Prochak replied ( to Jim Pennino ):
> > It is up to the hysterical to PROVE their point.
> 
> this is a civil case, not criminal.

Chicken Little's want our GDP to go down,
so that we live a bit longer/sadder.

I don't mind, the current drop doesn't
bother me much ( so far ).
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              .  4PStG.260878$yo4.154837@fx48.iad
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.10--6.16am.Seattle.2020
          Topanga│emailsroutdated@nomail_  LZTtG.134132$FY5.102585@fx39.iad
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.10--7.34am.Seattle.2020
      Topanga│emailsroutdated@nomail_  ezUtG.26203$7r6.19772@fx19.iad
    Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  r998cr$dhv$2@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.10--9.42am.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 2  m158 Cool; 24.3 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Aioe.ORG,  May 10 {  8:59am, 2020 }:23^(-5)  YLХბ
      Winaero Tweaker.

Sergio replied ( to Lady Topanga ):
> > I too have automatic updates turned off.
> 
> how do you turn them off ?

"Winaero Tweaker" gives you the option.
You can Google it.

> I thought you could limit it in Win10 pro,
> but not home.

Win10 Pro has different options;
Win10 Home users have other, better options.

> can you install new undernieth all your apps ?

Yes, you don't have to do a "clean" install.

If you're having lots of -serious- problems,
a clean install might be worth it,
but it'd take a lot of time/effort.

;  Remove !!LgHub and WinAmp from "startup" and 
;  run "Windows 10 November 2019 Update  .EXE".
;
;  At "Windows Update and Security -> Advanced Options"
;  turn off "Allow downloads from other PCs".


;  Take ownership of "DefaultMediaCost" -Manually-, 
;  Merge and ReBoot.
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\NetworkList\DefaultMediaCost]
; 1 - UnMetered;  2 - "metered" ( no automatic updates ).
@=dword:2
"Default"=dword:2
"WiFi"=dword:2
"Ethernet"=dword:2

; "Windows Update"
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\wuauserv]
"Start"=dword:4

; "Background Intelligent Transfer"
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\BITS]
"Start"=dword:4
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              Topanga│emailsroutdated@nomail_  hkStG.137906$Ff6.118157@fx40.iad
            Joel│joelcrump@gmail_com  1lsfbftv41giges4j5jumklgg5p56bvh5r@4ax.com
          AndrzejMatuch  4PStG.260878$yo4.154837@fx48.iad
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.10--6.16am.Seattle.2020
      Topanga│emailsroutdated@nomail_  LZTtG.134132$FY5.102585@fx39.iad
    AndrzejMatuch  iXUtG.64876$iB5.56181@fx06.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.10--9.22am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 7  m99 Cool; 42.9 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤X11, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  May 10 {  8:18am, 2020 }:38^(-4)  YLПc
      The people.

Speaking of me, AndrzejMatuch wrote:
> He's basically admitting that he's a Windows
> user with no purpose in this newsgroup.

For me, it's always been about the people, 
not the topic per se.

" I love the players.
  And you love the game. " -- Taylor Swift

"Blank Space" by Ryan Adams:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mppbCOslMvM
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              AndrzejMatuch  0OCtG.278821$mf1.258558@fx45.iad
            Topanga│emailsroutdated@nomail_  hkStG.137906$Ff6.118157@fx40.iad
          Joel│joelcrump@gmail_com  1lsfbftv41giges4j5jumklgg5p56bvh5r@4ax.com
        AndrzejMatuch  4PStG.260878$yo4.154837@fx48.iad
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.10--6.16am.Seattle.2020
    AndrzejMatuch  bbUtG.73262$mI3.45435@fx37.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.10--7.47am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 3  m92 Cool; 14.7 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤X11, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  May 10 {  7:27am, 2020 }:19^(-4)  YLЖΩ
      This is a Windows newsgroup.

Andrzej Matuch replied ( to me ):
> Wouldn't you be more comfortable in alt.comp.os.windows-10
> rather than vouching for Windows 10 
> to an audience who doesn't care about it?

"alt.comp.os.windows-10" has less-interesting people.

Most Everything that runs on Linux also runs on Windows;
therefore, this is a Windows newsgroup.
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              AndrzejMatuch  0OCtG.278821$mf1.258558@fx45.iad
            Topanga│emailsroutdated@nomail_  hkStG.137906$Ff6.118157@fx40.iad
          Joel│joelcrump@gmail_com  1lsfbftv41giges4j5jumklgg5p56bvh5r@4ax.com
        AndrzejMatuch  4PStG.260878$yo4.154837@fx48.iad
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.10--6.16am.Seattle.2020
    Topanga│emailsroutdated@nomail_  LZTtG.134132$FY5.102585@fx39.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.10--7.34am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 8  m58 Shifty; 9.3 Minutes, 40tude, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  May 10 {  7:13am, 2020 }:  ^(-4)  YLДy
      Installing a "major update"...

Topanga replied ( to me ):
> > I'm running Windows 10 Home, 1909,
> > installed January 20th, 2020.
> > 
> > When a new version of Windows comes out,
> > I install it; no "updates".
> 
> ??  I don't get it.
> Translation please.

1909 ("November 2019 Major Update")
is the version I'm currently running;
before that it was 1903 ( May 2019 Major Update ).

The latest is Version 2004 ( May 2020 Major Update ).

Installing a "major update" is similar to 
reinstalling Windows;
it doesn't have to be a "clean" install.

"automatic updates" are turned off;
I never use them.
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              HughHuntzinger  11b06e78-2c05-45a8-8da8-957f6d0b897e@googlegroups.com
            MrChrisV  o358bfpk7g76c13r62qngpegourke3md3s@4ax.com
          гость│ghost@mouse-potato_com  r91iqv$u45$1@dont-email.me
        FabianRussell  r91k9l01k6g@news4.newsguy.com
      DFS  AAHtG.55430$1y4.52271@fx23.iad
    Topanga│emailsroutdated@nomail_  MkTtG.277772$Xk.271854@fx46.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.10--7.19am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 2  m50 Shifty; 18.8 Minutes, 40tude, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  May 10 {  6:29am, 2020 }:17^(-4)  YLϼы
      iPhone users sacrifice a lot for portability.

Lady Topanga replied ( to DFS ):
> > Mac users == smartest
> 
> I would agree with that.  Surveys show that
> Mac / Apple users tend to have
> more higher education than other users.

iPhone users sacrifice a lot for portability;
it's a nice fashion accessory, but it's not 
where the -real- work gets done.

On the desktop, Mac Pros have always been a joke;
big-time content experts don't use them.

The Adobe suite works fine on Windows;
no need for a Mac.
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              гость│ghost@mouse-potato_com  r929rj$dku$2@dont-email.me
            AndrzejMatuch  M%1tG.126125$2e3.58054@fx35.iad
          DFS  Qb2tG.273098$Xk.117489@fx46.iad
        AndrzejMatuch  zg2tG.39372$th5.30279@fx14.iad
      DFS  jcItG.278875$mf1.278308@fx45.iad
    Topanga│emailsroutdated@nomail_  o7TtG.260879$yo4.54233@fx48.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.10--7.06am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╳ 4  m50 Shifty; 33.1 Minutes, 40tude, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  May 10 {  6:15am, 2020 }: 1^(-4)  YLϺΖ
      The author of an app has a lot of power in his hands.

Topanga wrote:
> The real fools are the hard working programmers 
> who allow the mega corporations to get rich off 
> of their programs.

The author of an app has a lot of power in his hands,
power which would be diminished by catering to others.

For example, I wrote something similar to a DOS shell
that uses compiled C++, instead of interpreted DOS commands.

And it has PostScript like graphics,
( Direct2D->CreatePathGeometry(), C++ ).
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              Topanga│emailsroutdated@nomail_  lJxtG.45643$g24.23071@fx30.iad
            RonB│ronb02NOSPAM@gmail_com  r96i6r$7kj$4@dont-email.me
          Topanga│emailsroutdated@nomail_  npAtG.260516$p44.149240@fx05.iad
        FabianRussell  r96kgb02fsh@news4.newsguy.com
      AndrzejMatuch  UPCtG.278822$mf1.248456@fx45.iad
    Topanga│emailsroutdated@nomail_  3lStG.88696$gN7.66615@fx03.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.10--6.37am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 5 m43 Shifty; 34 Minutes, 40tude, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  May 10 {  5:21am, 2020 }:19^(-4)  YLϱΩ
      Pen-On-Paper.

Andrzej Matuch replied ( to Fabian Russell ):
> > > Only in the anachronistic universe of Microshit Winblows
> > > is the moribund concept of printing kept on life support
> > 
> > OK, that has to be some of the dumbest arguments ever.

I print constantly.

Multi-Party contracts are printed, 
Pen-On-Paper modified/signed, and 
then scanned into a .PDF file.

Lady Topanga replied:
> Feebian has to be one of the best reverse trolls
> to ever grace COLA.  He's brilliant !

Yes but he keeps omitting the <Sarcasm> tag.

More Sarcasm:
" What would it be like if you stopped thinking for yourself
  and believed everything the media tells you ? ":
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcUAG6t5aN8
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              RonB│ronb02NOSPAM@gmail_com  r96icq$7kj$5@dont-email.me
            Topanga│emailsroutdated@nomail_  0wAtG.41402$kM7.16807@fx16.iad
          AndrzejMatuch  0OCtG.278821$mf1.258558@fx45.iad
        Topanga│emailsroutdated@nomail_  hkStG.137906$Ff6.118157@fx40.iad
      Joel│joelcrump@gmail_com  1lsfbftv41giges4j5jumklgg5p56bvh5r@4ax.com
    AndrzejMatuch  4PStG.260878$yo4.154837@fx48.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.10--6.16am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m85 Cool; 2 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤X11, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  May 10 {  5:53am, 2020 }:20^(-4)  YL϶ю
      If you can't drive, use Uber.

Andrzej Matuch replied ( to Joel ):
> > If you prefer Win10, I wish you the best of 
> > luck with its untested updates.
> 
> Same here. I've grown tired of being
> a crash test dummy for the company.

If you can't drive, use Uber;
leave it to the professionals, like me.

I'm running Windows 10 Home, 1909,
installed January 20th, 2020.

When a new version of Windows comes out,
I install it; no "updates".
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.
Like billionaire philanthropists,
"homeless lunatics" seek to escape 
the plantation: rent inflation, slavery.

Society rewards the former, 
and punishes the latter.

"Hookers" are supposed to die;
the government ensures it.
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              MrChrisV  8sh3bf1bd978inuv9nmn5ua2un1ebb74pb@4ax.com
            HughHuntzinger  15a341af-8cd2-4fdc-8f73-8bcc4bd215dc@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.5--5.38pm.Seattle.2020
        HughHuntzinger  8c6f4503-268c-443b-9d4d-6cf56d7076e7@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.6--5.14am.Seattle.2020
    Kensi  r8vspi$up1$3@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.7--1.18am.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    -Dropped, 5.3 Hours, NewsTap➤iPad, Aioe.ORG,  May  6 {  7:46pm, 2020 }: 4^(-4)  YJʓϲ
      You are the kook you see.

Kensi replied ( to me ):
> > Making bizarre assumptions about the unknown,
> > such as the existence of a multi-verse,
> > is thrilling, and it $sells$ ( in Hollywood ),
> > but -True- scientists make no such conjectures;
> > they "shut up and calculate".
> 
> The multi-verse is right there in the math. 

You've taken an unknown and inserted your 
favorite God in there for fun and profit.

In the process, you've totally rejected 
thermodynamics and general relativity.

Every crackpot since the beginning of time
has done what you did; 
you must be so proud of yourself.

Everywhere you look, you see nothing but "kooks";
because you are the kook you see.
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        SamWormley  caaae008-885c-4ce3-98bf-b377a5d4282b@googlegroups.com
      JimPennino  4n0bog-h8o.ln1@mail.specsol.com
    Zeb_Dee│zebedee@tiscali_co_uk  r8uo6n$19j7$2@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.6--10.10am.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m24 Cool; 40.7 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤X11, Aioe.ORG,  May  6 {  9:21am, 2020 }:45^(1)  YJhϐ
      Entropy will eventually kill the Earth.

With or without humanity,
entropy will eventually kill the Earth,
the solar system, and The Universe.

Suppose Michael Moore got his way 
( so the world's GDP dropped each year );
humanity would just live longer/sadder.

Woody Allen wrote:
> You can live to be a hundred if you give up 
> all the things that make you want to live 
> to be a hundred.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.5--5.38pm.Seattle.2020
            HughHuntzinger  8c6f4503-268c-443b-9d4d-6cf56d7076e7@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.6--5.14am.Seattle.2020
        HughHuntzinger  b15d714b-8fe9-4bab-ab0b-b1a44c37c23a@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.6--6.35am.Seattle.2020
    HughHuntzinger  ef7ec8aa-6bc6-43ea-a648-9309dcaa2343@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.6--9.58am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m157 Dropped; 26.1 Minutes, GoogleG, 173.70.116.6,  May  6 {  8:27am, 2020 }: 6^(PDT)  YJYΛ
      Quarantining the general population.

Up until recently, quarantining 
the general population was unheard of.

What a coincidence that this happens right
when closing borders became super-popular
and the CCP suddenly started worrying about 
how their fertility rate will eventually
eliminate the Han race.

The "Infection Fatality Rate" (IFR)
estimates the fatality rate of 
all* infected.  [ *: detected or not ]

The common flu has an IFR of .02 to .05 %;
in Iceland, Covid-19 has an IFR of .3%,
(foolishly) -assuming- co-morbidity 
( and politics ) haven't biased the data.

As I recall, you, Hugh, 
were posting much larger IFR ratios.
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              MrChrisV  8sh3bf1bd978inuv9nmn5ua2un1ebb74pb@4ax.com
            HughHuntzinger  15a341af-8cd2-4fdc-8f73-8bcc4bd215dc@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.5--5.38pm.Seattle.2020
        HughHuntzinger  8c6f4503-268c-443b-9d4d-6cf56d7076e7@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.6--5.14am.Seattle.2020
    HughHuntzinger  b15d714b-8fe9-4bab-ab0b-b1a44c37c23a@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.6--6.35am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m156 Dropped; 25.7 Minutes, GoogleG, 129.139.172.100,  May  6 {  5:48am, 2020 }:30^(PDT)  YJ8U
      Are you getting a cut of the hysteria ?

All of the Covid-19 data you've shown here
had a selection bias worse than that of
the emergency rooms and Iceland, Hugh.

Unless you're trying to close borders
( due to OverProduction and under consumption ) and/or
make babies ( the fertility rate is low&falling )
you quarantine the sick ( in {floating} nursing homes ),
-not- the general population.

What's your motivation, Hugh ?

Are you getting a cut of the hysteria ?

Hugh Huntzinger replied ( to me ):
> > I'm -extremely- familiar with
> > the MainScream media and HealthScare profiteers.
> 
> And yet you're unfamiliar with independent entities
> who are fact-checking them; your education is thus
> grossly delinquent in this day & age.  

So says you, in your biased opinion.

> > Iceland has better data;
> > it's not perfect, just better.
> 
> I've not specifically reviewed Iceland's reports.
> But unless they've done a *randomized* trial, 
> an extrapolation from their hospital cases will
> also be invalid for the same self-selection reason.

No such bias in their data.

They issued an open invitation to 10,797 persons and
sent random invitations to 2283 persons.
6% of the population was screened.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2006100
 
> > Quarantine "nursing homes" ( cruise ships ),
> > not the general population.
> 
> Problem is that said quarantine needs to also encompass
> everyone who comes in contact with the nursing home
> residents, which means ALL staff, and everyone that
> each of those staffmembers comes into contact with.

You don't quarantine healthy people;
that's not how it works.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.5--9.23am.Seattle.2020
            Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  6j53bf1rnoqdh5vpkvvhga9hmf7ap7auis@4ax.com
          MrChrisV  8sh3bf1bd978inuv9nmn5ua2un1ebb74pb@4ax.com
        HughHuntzinger  15a341af-8cd2-4fdc-8f73-8bcc4bd215dc@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.5--5.38pm.Seattle.2020
    HughHuntzinger  8c6f4503-268c-443b-9d4d-6cf56d7076e7@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.6--5.14am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m155 Dropped; 9 Minutes, GoogleG, 129.139.172.100,  May  6 {  4:34am, 2020 }:44^(PDT)  YIჱЪ
      The Copenhagen Interpretation.

I don't know anything about "healthfeeback" or
"mediabiasfactcheck", Hugh.

On the other hand, I'm -extremely- familiar with
the MainScream media and HealthScare profiteers.

Follow the money, if you can.

  --  There's "lies".
  --  Then there's "damn lies".
  --  Then "statistics" ( for money $$ ).

Making bizarre assumptions about the unknown,
such as the existence of a multi-verse,
is thrilling, and it $sells$ ( in Hollywood ),
but it's not my cup of tea.

-True- scientists make no such conjectures;
they "shut up and calculate" --
"The Copenhagen Interpretation".

As poor as it may be,
emergency rooms have -better- data.

Iceland's data came to the same conclusion:
Covid-19 is a weak flu, nothing more.

Again, Iceland has better data;
it's not perfect, just better.

Quarantine "nursing homes" ( cruise ships ),
not the general population.
■
              HughHuntzinger  ff5f4a44-a093-4990-829b-4e927ce4eb7d@googlegroups.com
            TheRealSteve  d57a0a8e-6ea0-4e20-8861-6192d0836912@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.5--9.23am.Seattle.2020
        Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  6j53bf1rnoqdh5vpkvvhga9hmf7ap7auis@4ax.com
      MrChrisV  8sh3bf1bd978inuv9nmn5ua2un1ebb74pb@4ax.com
    HughHuntzinger  15a341af-8cd2-4fdc-8f73-8bcc4bd215dc@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.5--5.38pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m153 Dropped; 4 Hours, GoogleG, 129.139.170.193,  May  5 {  1:11pm, 2020 }:23^(PDT)  YIβბ
      What happens in nursing homes stays in nursing homes.

Health Scare profiteers say:

> Doctors extrapolated the number of infections
> in the general population from the number of
> Covid-19 positive cases detected in emergency
> room patients, thereby overestimating infection numbers.
> 
> This led them to underestimate COVID-19 mortality.

Never in my life have I seen such crappy statistics
as those coming from the MainScream media and you,
Hugh Huntzinger.  You should be ashamed of yourself.

As we've recently learned, 
"cruises" are basically floating nursing homes.

What happens in nursing homes stays in nursing homes.
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              MsNadegda  r8pqb1$pqk$1@dont-email.me
            MrChrisV  jfr0bf9nqt13v0r7gh795enrko14tfesno@4ax.com
          Checkmate│More_Bull_Schiff  d4n2bf.eu3.19.13@news.alt.net
        MrChrisV  v0n2bflnvd9ocrbhspmemq4ujn4eqs73lv@4ax.com
      HughHuntzinger  ff5f4a44-a093-4990-829b-4e927ce4eb7d@googlegroups.com
    TheRealSteve  d57a0a8e-6ea0-4e20-8861-6192d0836912@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.5--9.23am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m27 Shifty; 45.4 Minutes, GoogleG,  May  5 {  8:  am, 2020 }:22^(PDT)  YIʖM
      Floating Nursing Homes.

> 'follow the money'

OverProduction is a problem these days.

Milk is being dumped, 
oil is selling for -40 $/barrel, etc.

The only thing we don't OverProduce is:
long-term care for homeless lunatics.

Honestly, I think we want them to die
for their "sins", along with hookers;
with full intent, we write laws that 
put them in harm's way.

First China, then the rest of the world,
used a mild flu (Covid-19) as an excuse
to close borders and spawn babies.

Interesting side-effects:

  -- An increased divorce rate.
     Google: Covid-19 divorce

  -- A closer look at "cruises"
     ( floating nursing homes ).
■
.
It's a Brave New World; speaking of which, 
I'm watching the last episode of Westworld.
2 years from now, we'll get another 8 episodes.

Randomness is ignorance;
nothing more, nothing less.

The future is just as fixed as the past;
but it's (partially) unknowable;
we're programmed to consume a niche.

With or without us, entropy marches forward;
from infinitely hot/dense 
to infinitely cold/sparse.

Suppose Michael Moore got his way 
( so the world's GDP dropped each year );
humanity would just live longer/sadder.

Woody Allen wrote:
> You can live to be a hundred if you give up 
> all the things that make you want to live 
> to be a hundred.
■
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.3--7.19pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
      Asset prices will fall dramatically.

Instead of printing money to 
bailout the (morally) bankrupt,
(lazy) governments should've provided 
long-term care for homeless lunatics.

There's a teeter totter:

  -- Asset prices are on one side. 
  -- Consumer prices are on the other.

Currently, asset prices are up in the air;
consumer prices are at the bottom.
But that's about to switch.

Landlords are about to sell because (lazy) 
governments won't kick out bad tenants
( so the good tenants had to leave ).

As a result, buildings will be shuttered and
the price of rent will go up, 
pushing up the CPI,
forcing interest rates up.

Asset prices will fall dramatically.
■
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.1--1.08pm.Seattle.2020
          Kensi  r8ivb9$e64$1@gioia.aioe.org
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.2--6.49am.Seattle.2020
      Kensi  r8lmti$1a1u$3@gioia.aioe.org
    Checkmate│More_Bull_Schiff  d4igml.d01.19.82@news.alt.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.3--9.18am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 3  m8 Cool; 2.2 Hours, MicroPlanet, Alt.NET,  May  3 {   :17am, 2020 }: 1^(-7)  YGцл
      Do I have a right shelter with you ?

Kensi replied ( to me ):
> > > How do you justify forcing out better tenants
> > > in favor of worse ones?
> > 
> > Every human being has the right to shelter.

They don't have a right to shelter with me, 
if I don't want them ( no matter why ).

Do I have a right shelter with you, Kensi ?

Checkmate replied ( to Kensi ):
> > How then can you decide that some are
> > "better" tenants or "worse" ones?
> 
> The "better" ones are the ones who pay their rent,
> respect the property, and don't cause problems.

"No Cause Eviction", like no-fault divorce,
means I don't have to tell anyone "why";
I just don't want them with me.

Anything else is cruel and inhumane.

> Unfortunately, people who have to rent usually
> lack those qualities or they wouldn't be renters
> in the first place.

Stop paying your taxes for awhile,
and/or get divorced,
then you'll see who the real "homeowner" is.

Ignoring asset inflation, since 2005,
it's cheaper to rent.

The asset inflation is/was designed to hide
morally-bankrupt scions.

> I know this from my own past experiences with
> tenants... they're usually losers.

Then kick them out, and get new ones;
if the law blocks you, because it's 
too lazy to lift a finger, sell the house.

Instead of printing money to support the morally bankrupt,
use it to provide long-term care for homeless lunatics.
■
"Soul Surfer" replied ( to me ):
> > "no-cause eviction" is a basic human right.
> 
> I understand but disagree.

If you lived in Seattle, and I rented from you,
I could make your life a living hεll, and
I there'd be nothing you could do about it;
no judge, no cop, would help you.

> > Why is homelessness worse now than ever before ?
> > Do they deserve to die ?
> > How will "free" money solve this problem ?

Ignorance is far from bliss.
■
              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.2--6.49am.Seattle.2020
            axolotl│axolotlkrankman@gmail_  r8jtu6$164$5@dont-email.me
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.2--7.11am.Seattle.2020
        axolotl│axolotlkrankman@gmail_  r8k0vq$164$7@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.2--8.23am.Seattle.2020
    axolotl│axolotlkrankman@gmail_  r8k41l$1u6$4@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.2--8.52am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 3  m15 Shifty; 5.1 Minutes, Pan, Eternal-September.ORG,  May  2 {  8:36am, 2020 }:21  YGʜL
      SubThreads

"axolotl" replied ( to me ):
> > Why does Seattle force-out better tenants 
> > in favor of worse ones, stupidity ?
> 
> Why do you keep changing the subject line ?

"Usenet Best Practice", "3.2.1.1." [SubThreads]:

   The Subject of the followup is, by default, taken from that of the
   precursor, but users are able to override that default; indeed they
   are to be encouraged to do so whenever appropriate in order to avoid
   long threads which have wandered far from the topic with which they
   originated, but which still adhere to the original Subject.

> Is this some kind of twisted feature of your newsreader?
> User-Agent: Jeff-Relf.Me/X.HTM

No, it's done by hand.

"3.1.1.4.  Subject":

   Subject headers are for humans to read, 
   and the most that user agents should do is 
   to filter them as directed by their human readers.

Apparently, your newsreader doesn't conform 
to these guidelines, above.
■
              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.1--1.08pm.Seattle.2020
            Kensi  r8ivb9$e64$1@gioia.aioe.org
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.2--6.49am.Seattle.2020
        axolotl│axolotlkrankman@gmail_  r8jtu6$164$5@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.2--7.11am.Seattle.2020
    axolotl│axolotlkrankman@gmail_  r8k0vq$164$7@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.2--8.23am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m12 Shifty; 4.4 Minutes, Pan, Eternal-September.ORG,  May  2 {  7:44am, 2020 }:10  YGʓʂ
      Why does Seattle force-out better tenants ?

"axolotl", many homeless lunatics need care too,
not just housing -- it's very expensive;
I'd rather money go there than to bankrupt companies.

Why does Seattle force-out better tenants 
in favor of worse ones ?

Apparently, it's just plain stupidity.
■
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.1--1.08pm.Seattle.2020
        Kensi  r8ivb9$e64$1@gioia.aioe.org
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.2--6.49am.Seattle.2020
    axolotl│axolotlkrankman@gmail_  r8jtu6$164$5@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.2--7.11am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m9 Shifty; 3 Minutes, Pan, Eternal-September.ORG,  May  2 {  6:52am, 2020 }: 6  YGʊϴ
      Would you make them sing "God bless America" as they burn ?

"axolotl" replied ( to me ):
> > How do you justify forcing out better 
> > tenants in favor of worse ones ?
> 
> Jewish lightning [arson]. 

Why are "Hoovervilles" ( tent cities )
worse now than they've ever been ?

You'd burn them down,  and/or
ship them to concentration camps,
to be disposed of ?!

Would you make them sing "God bless America" as they burn ?
■
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@May.1--1.08pm.Seattle.2020
    Kensi  r8ivb9$e64$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.2--6.49am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    --Robot, 8.5 Hours, NewsTap➤iPad, Aioe.ORG,  May  1 { 10: 9pm, 2020 }:50^(-4)  YGpϖ
      How do you justify forcing out better tenants ?

Kensi replied ( to me ):
> > No-Fault Evictions are a basic human right,
> > same as no-fault divorce;
> > and I say this as a staunch tenant-advocate
> > ( better tenants are forced out, and suffer ).
> 
> Shelter is a basic human right, which means
> no-fault evictions can't be, you dipshit.

Imagine being surrounded by lunatic squatters,
laughing at you as you impishly object to 
their property damage, threats and theft.

When you call the police, 
they join in the fun, laughing at you.

How do you justify forcing out better tenants 
in favor of worse ones ?
■
What a crazy life you've lived, Winston.

Neither South Africa nor China favors white people.

Women are so expensive, it boggles the mind;
and, in the end, they leave you with little 
more than a (bad) memory and a huge debt.

This reason, people aren't having kids anymore.
■
"Soul Surfer" wrote
> My tenants have been faithful payers for years

That hasn't been her experience, now has it ?!

Would you deny people the right to no-fault divorce
just because you don't want a divorce yourself ?

Likewise, "no-cause eviction" a basic human right.

Why is homelessness worse now than ever before ?
Do they deserve to die ?
How will "free" money solve this problem ?
■
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.1--1.08pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
      No-Fault Evictions are a basic human right.

No-Fault Evictions are a basic human right,
same as no-fault divorce;
and I say this as a staunch tenant-advocate
( better tenants are forced out, and suffer ).

Where are China's homeless ?
"Re-Education" camps ?

Honestly, I believe society wants 
certain "sinners" to die for their "sins";
hookers, for example, are placed in harm's way
-- Canadian lawmakers blatantly admit it.

I'm just a property manager; still,
I feel the same as Fadela Hussein; see:
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0Vwerb2JvE

I can't stand seeing the behavior 
and attitudes of certain tenants/squatters;
it's demoralizing, stressful, depressing.

Perhaps she'll sell some of her properties,
and the Fed will print enough money to stop 
housing prices from falling, like 2008.

But that's just killing the pain,
not solving the problem.

One day, our addiction to "free" money 
must come to an end.
■
              Mitchell_Holman│noemail  XnsABADD3D485A65noemailattnet@216.166.97.131
            Skeeter│Scoot@invalid_invalid  3jqhafd506ht96ijb7u6lqrqkqcdhos207@4ax.com
          Rudy_Canoza│cap@hendrie_con  K07qG.44307$n_5.22384@fx09.iad
        Skeeter│Scoot@invalid_invalid  j9vhafpcnmnh33ck1ubb68g81g416arh01@4ax.com
      ScottDoty  hgt0dvF232mU1@mid.individual.net
    Checkmate│More_Bull_Schiff  d48hl9.ajo.17.7@news.alt.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@May.1--10.48am.Seattle.2020
  Alt.Atheism, Alt.Fan.Rush-Limbaugh, Alt.Checkmate, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 8  m27 Cool; 2.2 Days, MicroPlanet, Alt.NET,  Apr 29 {  5:32am, 2020 }: 3^(-7)  YEɽɻ
      #metoo can't be applied to Joe Biden.

#metoo can't be applied to Joe Biden.

Democrat presidents are free to stick cigars
in the vaginas of young interns.
■
If you had 6 million $, living single, 
and your health was perfect, long-term,
you could buy a 3 million $ house and use 
the rest of the money to pay taxes, 
insurance, maintenance, utilities, etc.

If your wife successfully sued you, 
and/or she had a huge medical expense,
you're back to square one ( or worse ).

If your (mental) health is good,
you've won the game -- no matter 
how much money you might have.

For this reason, you're better off 
investing in yourself, not the stock market,
nor the real estate market.
■
      Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  r8ddh7$1l88$1@gioia.aioe.org
    Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  hgv55aFgo5kU1@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.30--2.10pm.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics
    ╳ m1 Top; 15.6 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Individual.NET,  Apr 29 { 10:14pm, 2020 }:17^(10)  YEвʉ
      With or without us, entropy marches forward.

Re: Killing dogs-n-cats, instead of birds-n-rats.

With or without us, entropy marches forward;
from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse.

Suppose Michael Moore got his way,
so the world's GDP dropped each year;
humanity would just live longer/sadder.

" You can live to be a hundred if you give up 
  all the things that make you want to live 
  to be a hundred. " -- Woody Allen.
■
Seattle puts lunatic homeless people 
before better citizens; right or wrong,
there's nothing I can do about it.

Often, my best "option" is to be nice 
to those inflicting pain on me.

Inside my room, all is well,
I can do what I want.
■
Covid-19 is a mild flu virus.

Hoping to increase the population,
China extended the New Year;
but it backfired, the divorce rate went up.
■
America is less stressful because
failure is a (decent) option.
■
I love Seattle's cloudy skies;
Nanning is just too hot.

For those of us with food stamps,
grocery store food is 100 % free;
"Instant Pot" beans are wonderful.

Meat is plentiful, I often pay 1$/pound 
for chicken, pork is 2 or 3$/pound.
Barbecue sauce beats the Chinese alternative.

My top-quality computer parts come from Korea,
Taiwan, United States and Europe, not China.

China has neither YouTube nor Wikipedia;
which is beyond insane/ridiculous.

America has HBO's Westworld;
China could never produce such programming.
■
    RonB│ronb02NOSPAM@gmail_com  r7tu8i$l5p$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.25--4.46am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 2  m93 Cool; 1.2 Days, slrn➤Linux, Eternal-September.ORG,  Apr 23 { 10:42pm, 2020 }:42  YAзg
      No-Fault Evictions are a basic human right.

The world needs higher interest rates,
and higher risk premiums.

Let the bankruptcies come.
Let the tent cities overflow.

No-Fault Evictions are a basic human right,
same as no-fault divorce.
   ....
Only (mental) health matters;
nothing else compares.

Meth or religion,
either way you get a purpose,
a painkiller,
to set your head "straight".

Fix this problem, long term,
and homelessness and wealth inequality
would be a walk in the park,
no problem at all.
   ....
I have deep respect for many church people;
but, if you don't know that "God is nature",
you are blind to many amazing realities
and "unbearable" facts.
■
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.24--11.24am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
      Babies.

When your immune system is weak,
you get every virus, including Covid-19;
then, if you get hit by a car and die,
it's reported as a Covid-19 death.

Why does Iceland report 0 recoveries ?
If you believe the data,
no one ever recovers.

The CCP started this whole thing to extend
the Chinese new year, in the hopes of
getting more babies -- but it backfired;
it increased the divorce rate.
■
        BranimirMaksimovic  chsmG.32796$fD4.8997@fx09.am4
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.17--6.51pm.Seattle.2020
    BranimirMaksimovic  b8tmG.99893$8qv1.80210@fx12.am4
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.17--7.59pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m122 Cool; 52.3 Minutes, slrn➤Linux, HighWinds➤Usenet-News.NET,  Apr 17 {  6:57pm, 2020 }:27  Y6Бθ
      Covid19 isn't the only piece on the board.

Branimir Maksimovic replied ( to me ):
> > Why haven't any of Serbia's 5318
> > Covid19 cases recovered yet ?
> 
> Perhaps some recovered, 
> but they are not reported ?

That's "random",
as we say here, in Microsoft land.

> > What other viruses do they have ?
> 
> We have all viruses you have...

No, what other viruses do those 5318 people have,
due to a weakened immune system,
brought on by stress and/or old age ?

Covid19 isn't the only piece on the board.

Singling out the covid19 virus,
and ignoring everything else,
would be like a chess player who 
only focuses on the Queen,
no matter if she's in play or not.
■
    BranimirMaksimovic  chsmG.32796$fD4.8997@fx09.am4
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.17--6.51pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m121 Cool; 43.6 Minutes, slrn➤Linux, HighWinds➤Usenet-News.NET,  Apr 17 {  5:58pm, 2020 }:48  Y6ϷЮ
      Serbia's 5318 covid19 cases.

Why haven't any of Serbia's 5318 covid19 cases recovered
yet and what other viruses do they have ?
■
        Takuya_Saitoh│taka0038@gmail_  8dd387f7-d4f4-4232-ae0d-fc7744a07c35@googlegroups.com
      DFS  9kEkG.1150270$K87.994483@fx46.iad
    Takuya_Saitoh│taka0038@gmail_  551010a2-5314-412f-b4f2-7a2679b5707b@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.17--9.15am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 3  m9 Top; 3.6 Hours, GoogleG, 185.220.100.253,  Apr 17 {  5:29am, 2020 }:41^(PDT)  Y6ɼუ
      SCAMDEMIC: COVID-19.

Takuya Saitoh asked:
> PANDEMIC --- or --- SCAMDEMIC ..what say you?

SCAMDEMIC.

The CCP thought extending the Chinese new year
would produce more babies;
instead, it increased the divorce rate.
■
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.17--8.52am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
      The underlying problem is mental health.

Long-Term care is more expensive than heroin;
heroin is more expensive than religion.

Negative interest rates, negative risk premiums, 
and helicopter money are pain relievers.

When your immune system is weak,
you get all kinds of viruses,
a wide variety, not just COVID-19.

The underlying problem is mental health,
homelessness, and street drugs.
■
        mGhost│mGhost@mouse-potato_com  r7a6t0$isp$1@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.16--3.00pm.Seattle.2020
    mGhost│mGhost@mouse-potato_com  r7alhj$n3k$2@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.16--3.26pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 2  m278 Mad; 1.2 Minutes, slrn➤Linux, Eternal-September.ORG,  Apr 16 {  3:17pm, 2020 }:23  Y5ფბ
      Focusing on -all- diseases, not just COVID-19.

Again, People with weakened immune systems
contract numerous viruses,
one of which happens to be COVID-19.

The solution is:  Better long-term care,
focusing on -all- diseases, not just COVID-19.

Focusing on Trump, instead,
will just get him elected again.
■
    mGhost│mGhost@mouse-potato_com  r7a6t0$isp$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.16--3.00pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m276 Mad; 3.6 Hours, slrn➤Linux, Eternal-September.ORG,  Apr 16 { 11: 7am, 2020 }:28  Y5лɘ
      How does hating Trump help ?

People with weakened immune systems
contract COVID-19 ( and everything else ).

How does hating Trump help ?
■
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.15--2.19pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
      Consumers are sick.

Consumers are sick.
Hence deflation, cheap gold.

Long-Term Care involves much more than a vaccine
from Bill Gates and/or a new car loan from the Fed.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.15--9.23am.Seattle.2020
            mGhost│mGhost@mouse-potato_com  r77jpc$fkk$6@dont-email.me
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.15--0.33pm.Seattle.2020
        !@!_invalid(Ï  1oox57r.e4wquj1palqvoN%!@!.invalid
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.15--1.18pm.Seattle.2020
    !@!_invalid(Ï  1oox7r4.7wnvt6drdkkwN%!@!.invalid
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.15--1.51pm.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, News.Software.Readers, Alt.Free.Newsserversseas
    ╱ 1  m2 Shifty; 8.2 Minutes, MacSOUP➤Mac, Eternal-September.ORG,  Apr 15 {  1:38pm, 2020 }:47^(1)  Y5ɖʧ
      Don't be jealous of Bill Gates or me.

Something mentioned:
> "your" ego and delusion of superiority.

Who are you talking to, yourself ?

Keep repeating that;
hopefully, you'll change one day.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.15--9.37am.Seattle.2020
            MrChrisV  l7he9f5gl5g72h6118j9c7akiefqjtkvh9@4ax.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.15--11.09am.Seattle.2020
        MrChrisV  qlje9fpl7t1n2ssq4f6cfn36i4tns2ogcu@4ax.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.15--0.00pm.Seattle.2020
    MrChrisV  00ne9fh8u21n7kqkbcg9nfiqfb7kofhcfh@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.15--1.41pm.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, News.Software.Readers
    ╱ 1  m46 Dropped; 45.5 Minutes, F_Agent, HighWinds➤Fastusenet.ORG,  Apr 15 {   :17pm, 2020 }:12^(-5)  Y5Ⱦц
      MrChrisV is the only one marching in step.

MrChrisV thinks I:
> mistakenly typed a [ typographic apostrophe ], 
> when I should have typed [ a straight apostrophe ].

"it’s" is more correct then "it's".

The straight apostrophe, ' (U+0027 APOSTROPHE) is ambiguous,
as it could also be an open quotation mark, or a prime symbol;
it only exists to save space on the keyboard.

’, U+2019, is a "typographic apostrophe"; see:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostrophe#Typographic_form

> > Your inability to handle it doesn't make them bad people.
> 
> No, it makes them kO0ky.     8)

You're the only one who's marching in step.
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              Lewis│g_kreme@gmail_com_  slrnr9clc1.11e7.g.kreme@ProMini.lan
            mGhost│mGhost@mouse-potato_com  r75sg1$9i9$3@dont-email.me
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.15--9.23am.Seattle.2020
        mGhost│mGhost@mouse-potato_com  r77jpc$fkk$6@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.15--0.33pm.Seattle.2020
    !@!_invalid(Ï  1oox57r.e4wquj1palqvoN%!@!.invalid
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.15--1.18pm.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, News.Software.Readers, Alt.Free.Newsserversseas
    ╱ 1  m1 Shifty; 23.7 Minutes, MacSOUP➤Mac, Eternal-September.ORG,  Apr 15 {   :38pm, 2020 }:56^(1)  Y5ɄΑ
      Don't be jealous of Bill Gates or me.

Something asked me:
> with a brain the size of yours, how do you 
> manage to get your head through the door ?  

Bill Gates is focused on the (ubiquitous) virus,
because that's the easiest thing to do;
I'm focused on the Hoovervilles,
the mentally ill drug abusers who need long-term care.

But don't be jealous of Bill or me, 
we've both got one foot in the grave.
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              .  r757v1$1bq5$2@gioia.aioe.org
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.14--2.32pm.Seattle.2020
          Lewis│g_kreme@gmail_com_  slrnr9clc1.11e7.g.kreme@ProMini.lan
        mGhost│mGhost@mouse-potato_com  r75sg1$9i9$3@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.15--9.23am.Seattle.2020
    mGhost│mGhost@mouse-potato_com  r77jpc$fkk$6@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.15--0.33pm.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, News.Software.Readers, Alt.Free.Newsserversseas
    ╱ 11  m261 Mad; 21.3 Minutes, slrn➤Linux, Eternal-September.ORG,  Apr 15 { 11:29am, 2020 }:    Y5ȶк
      99.999 % of people can't configure Thunderbird properly.

mGhost replied ( to me ):
> > > > > Mozilla Thunderbird is the gold standard for newsreaders;
> > > > > but 99.999 % of people can't configure it properly.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Most people can't write the CSS, nor the JavaScript,
> > > > > required to make it super nice.
> 
> Does the filtering in Thunderbird depend on marking posts
> as read in your configuration ? 

Google: Thunderbird filters

The email stuff works for posts as well,
as they are ultra similar.

FiltaQuilla uses regular expressions.

Write the proper JavaScript extension,
maybe toss in some CSS,
and you can make it do shit you've never dreamed of.

But this is far beyond "Joe SixPack", of course.

> > I wrote my own newsreader;
> > so I don't need Thunderbird.
> 
> Would you be so kind as to show a screen shot of your
> threaded viewer and composition interface ? 

My posts to Usenet ( since Feb 2012 ):
  http://Jeff-Relf.Me/Posts.TXT

Open it in Visual Studio 2019 "Community" (free) Addition,
with (C#) "Visual Commander" macros/extensions,
and you're ready to read and/or compose new messages.

gShift Left Click "deletes" a post, 
moving it to the clipboard,
ready for sending ( using a button on my newsreader ).
http://Jeff-Relf.Me/MouseKeyboardLayout.PNG
http://Jeff-Relf.Me/X.HTM
http://Jeff-Relf.Me/Macros.HTM

But, surely, it wouldn't work for anyone but me;
no one else could learn the details,
including the complex C++ code.
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              MichaelMoroney  r77b68$7si$1@pcls7.std.com
            MrChrisV  43de9fhfm1i5po6i8h1ljga08pp3qe81rt@4ax.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.15--9.37am.Seattle.2020
        MrChrisV  l7he9f5gl5g72h6118j9c7akiefqjtkvh9@4ax.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.15--11.09am.Seattle.2020
    MrChrisV  qlje9fpl7t1n2ssq4f6cfn36i4tns2ogcu@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.15--0.00pm.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, News.Software.Readers
    ╱ 1  m207 Dropped; 22.9 Minutes, F_Agent, HighWinds➤Fastusenet.ORG,  Apr 15 { 11:27am, 2020 }:22^(-5)  Y5ȶγ
      Some people prefer separate opening and closing quote marks.

MrChrisV asked:
> what's the point of posting E2 80 99 ( UTF-8 ) 
> when 0x27 (hex) does the job ?

Some people prefer separate opening and closing quote marks.
Your inability to handle it doesn't make them bad people.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.14--2.32pm.Seattle.2020
            MrChrisV  ustd9f1nl14g08s4r93fqfl8t6ogfk9vmb@4ax.com
          MichaelMoroney  r77b68$7si$1@pcls7.std.com
        MrChrisV  43de9fhfm1i5po6i8h1ljga08pp3qe81rt@4ax.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.15--9.37am.Seattle.2020
    MrChrisV  l7he9f5gl5g72h6118j9c7akiefqjtkvh9@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.15--11.09am.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, News.Software.Readers
    ╱ 1  m206 Dropped; 22.8 Minutes, F_Agent, HighWinds➤Fastusenet.ORG,  Apr 15 { 10:38am, 2020 }:15^(-5)  Y5uʇ
      Each post tells you what CharSet to use.

Why do you object to font mixing-n-matching, MrChrisV ?

Each post tells you what CharSet to use;
the appropriate CharSet ( UTF-8, Western or Japanese )
is -not- a newsreader setting.

Forte agent got it wrong; 
and you're too petty to admit it.
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              mGhost│mGhost@mouse-potato_com  r6qj0v$rmd$7@dont-email.me
            RonB│ronb02NOSPAM@gmail_com  r6rb1h$d7b$1@dont-email.me
          MrChrisV  m0m89fhvu37sknduk3bq02o3iopu7pbutq@4ax.com
        HughHuntzinger  25c87d98-12c5-4c80-88e5-bf2a0e457711@googlegroups.com
      SpamBot  e0686d64-d8a2-4479-91ac-01fb035cb859@googlegroups.com
    HughHuntzinger  2f3cdf35-6d10-432b-892e-bca566d074f1@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.15--10.56am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 11  m67 Cool; 2.1 Days, GoogleG, 129.139.170.108,  Apr 13 {  9: 9am, 2020 }:48^(PDT)  Y3Чϓ
      Hoovervilles.

I assume that the virus is everywhere,
especially in hospitals.

When you toss people out on the streets,
as is happening now,
emergency rooms are packed tighter.

Bill Gates is focused on the virus,
because that's the easiest thing to do;
I'm focused on the Hoovervilles,
the mentally ill drug abusers who need long-term care.
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              MrChrisV  l45c9f94kh0gr2slk34b4l0o67sk0ogkr9@4ax.com
            .  r757v1$1bq5$2@gioia.aioe.org
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.14--2.32pm.Seattle.2020
        MrChrisV  ustd9f1nl14g08s4r93fqfl8t6ogfk9vmb@4ax.com
      MichaelMoroney  r77b68$7si$1@pcls7.std.com
    MrChrisV  43de9fhfm1i5po6i8h1ljga08pp3qe81rt@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.15--9.37am.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, News.Software.Readers
    ╱ 1  m205 Dropped; 1.8 Minutes, F_Agent, HighWinds➤Fastusenet.ORG,  Apr 15 {  9:27am, 2020 }:21^(-5)  Y5iβ
      Michael Moroney's paranoid, pot-addled brain.

Michael Moroney's paranoid, pot-addled brain is incapable
of understanding that Thunderbird's default settings prevent
the "tracking" problems that scare him so.

MrChrisV is too childish to admit that his newsreader 
can't handle Unicode ( which requires font mixing-n-matching ).

Likewise, SLRN can't mix-n-match fonts,
as Unicode requires ( especially when it comes to emojis ).
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.12--11.41pm.Seattle.2020
            MrChrisV  l45c9f94kh0gr2slk34b4l0o67sk0ogkr9@4ax.com
          Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  r757v1$1bq5$2@gioia.aioe.org
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.14--2.32pm.Seattle.2020
      Lewis│g_kreme@gmail_com_  slrnr9clc1.11e7.g.kreme@ProMini.lan
    mGhost│mGhost@mouse-potato_com  r75sg1$9i9$3@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.15--9.23am.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, News.Software.Readers, Alt.Free.Newsserversseas
    ╱ 2  m3 Cool; 13.6 Hours, slrn➤Linux, Eternal-September.ORG,  Apr 14 {  7:45pm, 2020 }:22  Y4Йγ
      99.999 % of people can't configure Thunderbird properly.

mGhost and Lewis replied ( to me ):
> > > Mozilla Thunderbird is the gold standard for newsreaders;
> > > but 99.999 % of people can't configure it properly.
> > > 
> > > Most people can't write the CSS, nor the JavaScript,
> > > required to make it super nice.
> >
> > Thank you for that, it's the funniest thing I've seen all day.
> 
> Thought that was funny as well.  SLRN is the gold standard.
> Thunderbird is an email client, and not a very good one at that. 

If you had the power to configure it, like I do,
you wouldn't say that.

I wrote my own newsreader;
so I don't need Thunderbird.
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        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.12--11.41pm.Seattle.2020
      MrChrisV  l45c9f94kh0gr2slk34b4l0o67sk0ogkr9@4ax.com
    Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  r757v1$1bq5$2@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.14--2.33pm.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, News.Software.Readers, Alt.Free.Newsserversseas
    ╱ 22  m130 Cool; 12.7 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Aioe.ORG,  Apr 14 {  1:54pm, 2020 }:59^(-5)  Y4κx
      This is an HTML post.

This is an HTML post.

For years, ChrisV plonked me because his newsreader
couldn't handle my posts; for similar reasons, 
people block posts from Google Groups.

His newsreader, Agent, doesn't understand UTF-8.

UTF-8, not US ASCII, has been the standard for decades now.

Also, Agent borks HTML, big time.

SLRN, a console newsreader, has no such problems.

Mozilla Thunderbird is the gold standard for newsreaders;
but 99.999 % of people can't configure it properly.

Most people can't write the CSS, nor the JavaScript,
required to make it super nice.

Unless you enjoy -Random- lags ( when will the post show up ? ),
Do NOT use a binary server to READ Usenet; instead, use:
  
   News.Individual.NET:119  //  10 Euros per year.
  
Do NOT post using Individual.NET, they'll censor you;
instead, use a binary server; to wit:
  
  News.US.Usenet-News.NET:119  or  usNews.BlockNews.NET:119 
  
  They won't censor you; they don't even keep the "Path:" line,
  so you can't be identified.  Their archive is over 18 years deep.
  $5 buys you 11 gigs, enough for several life times.
  If one is down ( -very- unlikely ), use the other one.
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.12--11.41pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
      Misdirected Charity.

Near as I can tell, most multi-family apartment
owners have deep pockets; also, they’re
first in line at the printing press.

Problem is, there’s not enough charity going on;
either that, or it’s misdirected.

Bill Gates worries about (ubiquitous) viruses,
as if that were the primary cause of deaths;
he doesn’t understand (proper) cause-n-effect.

Apparently, Seattle can’t afford long-term
care for mentally-ill drug abusers.

Heroin is a pain reliever.
Religion is a pain reliever. God is nature.
Money printing is a pain reliever.
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.10--5.11am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
      Homelessness and wealth inequality.

Thousands of years ago, Jesus agreed with 
today's central bankers; saying:

> For whosoever hath, to him shall be given,
> and he shall have more abundance; 
> 
> but whosoever hath not, from him
> shall be taken away even that he hath.

See: "Parable of the Talents" and
"Parable of the Sower".

In Matthew 25:30 KJV, Jesus says:

> Cast ye the unprofitable servant
> into outer darkness:  there shall be 
> weeping and gnashing of teeth. 

The idea is that you plant your "seed" 
(investment) where you get the highest return;
i.e. you give it to the (proven) rich,
not to the poor (deadbeats).

Don't cast pearls before swine.
Never try to teach a pig to sing; 
it wastes your time and it annoys the pig.

That said, we cannot raise interest rates,
-- we cannot pop the asset price bubble --
unless-n-until we provide long-term care
for mentally-ill drug abusers.

Once done, homelessness and wealth inequality
are quite tolerable.
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.10--3.07am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
      She ain’t gonna get none of it.

George Thorogood:

    She a-hollerin’ about the front rent. 
    She be lucky to get any back rent. 
    She ain’t gonna get none of it.  🎵

This is how it works here, in New Detroit,
formerly known as "Seattle".

It's government-sanctioned squatting, 
looting, drugging, fucking, etc.; 
it's party time, no rules !

If the city could be bothered to care 
for its mentally ill drug abusers, long-term,
it'd be safe to raise interest rates,
and pop this insane asset price bubble.
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          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.9--9.25am.Seattle.2020
        MrChrisV  8sku8fp1a6ip3mr7u8h592i44g7hnobkdq@4ax.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.9--10.41am.Seattle.2020
    MrChrisV  dvou8f9eehaqj8022u5g10m3c6fma2kl0g@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.9--4.58pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m235 Dropped; 5.8 Hours, F_Agent, HighWinds➤Fastusenet.ORG,  Apr  9 { 11: 7am, 2020 }:22^(-5)  Y1zɒ
      I'm not trying to live in the cheapest place.

MrChrisV replied ( to me ):
> > > Go price an apartment in Tokyo, and see 
> > > how "spacious" and "affordable" it is, for you.
> > 
> > I have, and they are, compared to Seattle.
> 
> What are you waiting for, then ?    8)

I'm not trying to live in the cheapest place.
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      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.9--9.25am.Seattle.2020
    MrChrisV  8sku8fp1a6ip3mr7u8h592i44g7hnobkdq@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.9--10.41am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m234 Dropped; 39.8 Minutes, F_Agent, HighWinds➤Fastusenet.ORG,  Apr  9 {  9:58am, 2020 }: 1^(-5)  Y1nϡ
      Tokyo housing is spacious and affordable, compared to Seattle.

MrChrisV told me:
> Go price an apartment in Tokyo, and see 
> how "spacious" and "affordable" it is, for you.

I have, and they are, compared to Seattle.
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.9--9.25am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
      This has to change.

Thanks to runaway asset inflation,
working stiffs can’t afford the cheapest hovel;
— this has to change.

And I think it will, as it has in Japan;
there, asset price deflation is slow-n-steady,
decade after decade.
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          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.2--3.53am.Seattle.2020
        Daniel│me@scifida_n_com  MbPiG.336867$kM2.135382@fx02.iad
      anonlinuxuser│linuxuser@noone_  r6gsu9$tg2$1@dont-email.me
    Daniel│me@scifida_n_com  _Q4jG.815436$aD6.810647@fx38.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.7--1.57pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 2  m5 Shifty; 58.6 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤X11, HighWinds➤Newshosting.COM,  Apr  7 {   :51pm, 2020 }:22^(-7)  Xჵьγ
      Smoke less weed.

Daniel replied ( to me ):
> > > > Ebola was scary at first. HIV too.
> > > > Later, we think:
> > > > " What was all the fuss about ? ".
> 
> At first ?  It still is. 

Try smoking less weed.
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        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.2--3.53am.Seattle.2020
      Daniel│me@scifida_n_com  MbPiG.336867$kM2.135382@fx02.iad
    anonlinuxuser│linuxuser@noone_  r6gsu9$tg2$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.6--9.24pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 12  m228 Mad; 25.8 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Mac, Eternal-September.ORG,  Apr  6 {  8:44pm, 2020 }: 7^(-6)  Xჵʝɿ
      Winter 2018-2019, American flu deaths.

Google:  Winter 2018-2019, American flu deaths 
and you get:

  In total, the CDC estimates that up to 42.9 million 
  people got sick during the 2018-2019 flu season, 
  647,000 people were hospitalized and 61,200 died.
 
  That's fairly on par with a typical season, and well 
  below the CDC's 2017-2018 estimates of 48.8 million 
  illnesses, 959,000 hospitalizations and 79,400 deaths.  
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      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.2--3.53am.Seattle.2020
    Takuya_Saitoh│taka0038@gmail_  6d0409fa-8f61-470d-aa54-a2b3b7b44ac7@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.6--10.58am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 3  m3 Shifty; 1.4 Hours, GoogleG, 109.70.100.26,  Apr  6 {  9: 9am, 2020 }:40^(PDT)  Xჵfυ
      Seattle has become worse than Calcutta.

Nice to see you again, Takuya Saitoh,
it's been years.

China was hoping people would make more babies
if they extended the world's largest holiday;
instead, the divorce rate went up !

Seattle emptied its jails and is 
arresting even fewer than before !

Basically, they won't lift a finger
to improve the city.

Seattle has become worse than Calcutta;
Calcutta takes care of its sick.

Mentally ill Drug Abusers are solidly 
in charge of the fucking asylum.

Everyone has gone insane,
including Bill Gates.
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.5--3.48am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
      Once control of the asylum is taken back.

Once control of the asylum is taken back
from ( mentally ill ) drug abusers:
 
-- State-Sponsored Squatting will decamp.
-- Interest Rates will return to normal.

-- Asset Prices will deflate.
-- Bankruptcies will dethrone fraudsters.
-- Wealth Inequality will abate.
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            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.2--3.53am.Seattle.2020
          MrChrisV  1tkb8fdh12v1tlnk34a7ubbcneva3np8hu@4ax.com
        ScottDoty  hem4rfFu9sgU13@mid.individual.net
      Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  r65lof$8s6$1@gioia.aioe.org
    Odd_Bodkin│bodkinodd@gmail_com  r65n0g$t6a$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.2--5.08pm.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m136 Dropped; 14.5 Minutes, NewsTap➤iPhone, Aioe.ORG,  Apr  2 {  2:55pm, 2020 }:28  Xჲτɘ
      9'000 COVID deaths in America, this spring.

Shall we start a betting pool ?

9'000 COVID deaths in America, this spring.

Odd_Bodkin bets:
> This spring, corona virus will kill 250'000 Americans.
> [ This fall, it'll kill 100'000 Americans ]
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.2--2.59pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
      Homelessness exists by (subconscious) design.

Matthew 25:30 KJV:

  Cast ye the unprofitable servant
  into outer darkness:  there shall be 
  weeping and gnashing of teeth. 

Luke 19:27 KJV:

  those mine enemies, which would not 
  that I should reign over them, bring hither,
  and slay them before me.

It seems rather natural for people to think
that the homeless person "earned" his sad fate;
hence overcrowded jails/shelters/hospitals.

In other words, today's dire health crisis,
homelessness, exists by (subconscious) design.
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          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.2--3.53am.Seattle.2020
        HughHuntzinger  126577da-f858-4657-884d-4099e877b170@googlegroups.com
      DFS  d5nhG.1210412$ek.4107@fx48.iad
    HughHuntzinger  45cca7c2-2cbf-4c58-bfaf-e2b6ced86612@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.2--1.11pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 17  m90 Cool; 3.8 Hours, GoogleG, 173.70.116.6,  Apr  2 {  8:47am, 2020 }:54^(PDT)  Xჲʝჰ
      "Brutal Math" is based on unknowns/assumptions.

"Brutal Math" is based on unknowns/assumptions.
Do it wrong, and you'd think all of humanity is doomed.

I think the firecracker is a dud, like Ebola;
only time will tell if I'm right or wrong.

Homelessness is the greater healthcare risk,
if you ask me, but "human rats" are supposed 
to die ( for their sins ), even Jesus said so:

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Havcr-2Kx30
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Apr.2--3.53am.Seattle.2020
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      Last winter, the flu killed 61'000 Americans.

Ebola was scary at first. HIV too.
Later, we think:
" What was all the fuss about ? ".

This winter, 5'000 Americans died from COVID-19;
last winter, the flu killed 61'000 Americans.

More pressing: state-sanctioned squatting and 
overcrowding in emergency rooms, shelters and jails.
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.30--5.23am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
      Nothing got fixed, far from it.

Re: The 2020 stimulus package.

Suppose our economy had just 2 people:
a borrower and a lender.

The lender is the top, the master;
the borrower is the bottom/slave.

Our borrower is homeless,
strung out, and sick as hell.

Our lender gave our borrower his fix,
but nothing got fixed; he’s an enabler.
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.24--2.46pm.Seattle.2020
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      The poor are supposed to die.

DFS replied ( to me ):
> > Property managers, such as myself,
> > are usually paid 10 % of the rent roll;
> > in my case, that it'd be 2.2 thousand $/month.
> > 
> > Instead, I get reduced rent;
> > at times, I don't even get that.
> 
> So you're getting scammed.  
> Why do you continue to accept getting scammed ?

I may stop.  I don't want to do it anymore,
no matter the pay ( I've had offers ).

At heart, I'm a computer programmer,
not a property manager.

Initially, I did it for the shits-and-grins.

> We had to get rid of one recently.
> Mild squatter we legally evicted... 
> then I spent about $1200 getting rid 
> of his extreme, TLC-level hoard.

Same here, only much worse.
Recently, I got a 2000 $ quote to haul-out junk.
Rooms need painting, floors need replacing.

Nice, single-family rentals are doing OK;
dilapidated rooming houses are much worse off.

Depressions hit the poorest first,
-- years -- before Wall Street discoverers it.

> > I'm outnumbered.
> > Squatters, "Ave Rats", are everywhere.
> 
> Why do you stay?

I was here first; I'm holding my ground.

I love Seattle's weather.

A lot of good things have come out of Seattle,
over the generations.

> > > Offer him a job and place to live,
> > > or no job and no place to live 
> > > and watch what he does.
> > 
> > You have no idea; nor do you care to know.
> 
> That's a nonsensical statement.

You know the difference between 
a shit bucket and a Vittles Vault;
yet you -- continually -- act like you don't.

Likewise, you act like you don't know,
or don't care to know, homeless people.

By far, homelessness is America's 
greatest healthcare crisis, not viruses.

But such people are supposed to die;
even Jesus said so:
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Havcr-2Kx30

> > A lot of these guys truly are disabled;
> > you yourself would never hire them;
> > even if you did, you'd fire them shortly afterwards.
> 
> Some are, but most are just substance abusers
> and lazy assholes who will take advantage of 
> anyone they can, for as much as they can, 
> for as long as they can.

Society didn't offer them a better option.

Nature didn't offer them a better option.

"Hoovervilles" ( tent cities ) are worse now
than they were in the 1930's.

It's 1934 All Over Again:
http://Jeff-Relf.Me/1934.All.Over.Again.PNG

Is "Sleepy Joe Biden" going to resolve it ?
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.24--1.20pm.Seattle.2020
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      It's a Vittles Vault, not a bucket.

DFS told me:
> The bucket of shit you willingly 
> keep in your room doesn't lie.

It's a Vittles Vault, not a bucket.

It bothers no one; I've plenty of visitors.

Someday, after you've matured a bit, 
you'll understand the difference.

> > You don't have to be disabled 
> > to receive food stamps.
> 
> That's no excuse for you taking them.

Your government decided to give food 
to low income people, like me; and I accepted.

If you offered me food,
I'd take it, like a gentleman.

Bitching at me won't change anything,
and it's affecting your mental health.

Currently, the government is bailing out 
everyone and their dog -- trillions of dollars.

Multi-family properties are suffering.
Single-family rentals seem to be doing okay.

My SRO tenants are approaching me,
saying they don't have to pay rent.

Eventually, the ban on evictions will go away,
and they won't be able to catch up.

If they fight it, in court, they can win.

Seattle gives them crack lawyers, no charge,
and charities pay the past-due rent.

Late fees, court fees, and property damage,
must be transferred to a bill collector;
the judge doesn't want to hear about it.

Evicting someone for bad behavior is
damn near impossible in "progressive" Seattle.

If they lose, they won't leave unless-and-until
the sheriff drags them out.  Even then,
some have to be trespassed -- they hang around.

There's a tsunami of scary squatters,
stealing bikes and UPS packages;
they trade it for meth, heroin and sex.

The police tell me they aren't sending 
anyone to jail these days.
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.24--7.25am.Seattle.2020
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      Taxpayers decided to give low-income people food stamps.

DFS replied ( to Steve Carroll ):
> > I think Relf is just food stamps but he does work. 
> 
> An able-bodied person getting food stamps is still 
> sucking unfairly on taxpayer money.  It's unacceptable.

Taxpayers decided to give low-income people food stamps;
I had nothing to do with it, nothing at all.

Property managers, such as myself,
are usually paid 10 % of the rent roll;
in my case, that it'd be 2.2 thousand $/month.

Instead, I get reduced rent;
at times, I don't even get that.

And, if you read my posts, you'd realize 
that my job is fucking hazardous too.

> You drag the lowlife down the stairs by his ankles, 
> and each time his head slams into a stair 
> you ask if he's ready to move out.

I'm outnumbered.

Squatters, "Ave Rats", are everywhere, all the time.

The guy I chased out this morning, 4:30am,
knifed a friend of mine.

> Offer him a job and place to live,
> or no job and no place to live and watch what he does.

You have no idea; nor do you care to know.

A lot of these guys truly are disabled;
you yourself would never hire them;
even if you did, you'd fire them shortly afterwards.

Trust me, it's not fun knowing these people,
up close and personal.
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.24--6.48am.Seattle.2020
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      Not once has the government paid me.

DFS wrote:
> Joel, Snit and Relf are "disabled"

I recently paid the IRS 600 $;
not once has the government paid me.

You don't have to be disabled to receive food stamps.

> scamming free taxpayer money you don't deserve...
> It's not fair, shithead.

I must be doing something right because 
my mental health is better than yours, obviously.
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.24--6.29am.Seattle.2020
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      DFS, Jesus rewards taxpayers like you.

DFS wrote:
> Sucking on taxpayer money is pathetic.  
> There are now three such creatures on cola: 
> Relf, Snit and Crump.

Jesus rewards taxpayers like yourself, DFS:
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Havcr-2Kx30
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.24--6.17am.Seattle.2020
  Alt.OS.Linux, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Comp.Sys.Mac.Advocacy
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      Dainty iPhones.

Johann Beretta told me:
> Figuring out how to operate Windows 10 doesn't make you 
> a Windows 10 expert and it certainly doesn't make you
> any type of expert on OSes.

That's your opinion, not mine.

My Win10 Registry Settings:
  http://Jeff-Relf.Me/Win10.REG.TXT

My Mouse/Keyboard Layout:
  http://Jeff-Relf.Me/MouseKeyboardLayout.PNG

My Visual Studio 2019 macros, C#:
  http://Jeff-Relf.Me/Macros.HTM

My modifications to Quantum Firefox 69 itself, 
and the pages it displays:
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMvYaNgWryc

My SearchBar:
  http://Jeff-Relf.Me/SearchBar.PNG

My playList when reading/writing/programming:
  http://Jeff-Relf.Me/MyPlayList.HTM

My diff routines:
  http://Jeff-Relf.Me/Diff.PNG

My custom C++ console:
    http://Jeff-Relf.Me/X.HTM

My posts to Usenet ( since Feb 2012 ):
  http://Jeff-Relf.Me/Posts.TXT

My C++ Coding Rules:
  http://Jeff-Relf.Me/C++CodingRules.HTM

> Why are $100+ million dollar
> supercomputers running Linux Oops?

What does that have to do with the PC you pulled 
from the dumpster, because you couldn't afford an android ?

> But the fact that you want to engage in massive
> amounts of self-delusion and back-patting by declaring
> the least customizable OS Microsoft has ever produced 
> to be "properly configurable" is laughable.

You have no idea.

I'm not going to teach you 
because you don't want to learn.
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        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.20--11.25am.Seattle.2020
      MrChrisV  704a7f1oj5hcpcq18u53klf92r1368adgu@4ax.com
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.20--1.15pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
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      Bill Gates.

ChrisV replied ( to me ):
> > > The cheapest housing has the worst tenants,
> > > the most: evictions, drugs, property damage,
> > > squatting, and police activity.
> > >
> > > Every year, such housing vanishes
> > > like a teardrop in Death Valley.
> > 
> > I wonder why landlords don't like such tenents,
> > and would rather rent to better, wealthier tenents.

New construction targets the richest tenants, duh !

The ever diminishing, oldest construction is
where the poorest live -- if they're super lucky.

> IIRC, Seattle set some regulations on 
> landlords and capped rents.  
> maybe jeff can tell you about that.

Homelessness is the greatest healthcare crisis in America.
America wants them dead, apparently.

Currently, Seattle has a 30 day moratorium 
on evictions -- and it'll likely be
extended beyond 60 days.

Starting 2 years ago, deadbeat tenants have 
been given free, amazing lawyers.

For many months now, we've been trying to evict
an off-the-wall insane meth addict, 
who never pays rent -- charities have given him 
many thousands of dollars ( for rent ).

When "screening" tenants, I'm not allowed to 
know or consider one's criminal history.

I -- must -- accept money from charities;
once, when I balked, 
I was threatened with a lawsuit.

He's fresh from Ethiopia, with a long police record,
who continually breaks windows ( big time ), 
punches holes in the wall, harbors drug dealers,
attacks women ( and others ), and
vibrates the house at 4 am with his music.

When a housemate, a young University of Washington
student, asked him to turn it down, he got maced.
He pulled a knife on me.

Recently, he tried to break down 
the door of one of our last remaining tenants;
apparently, he wants to floor all to himself.

Three of my tenants have filed 
restraining orders against him.

The police tell me they're not putting
anyone in jail these days, due to the virus.

Seattle wants him to be -- my -- problem;
they've washed their hands of it.

We should worry less about viruses
and more about compromised immune systems
due to poor housing.
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      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.20--9.08am.Seattle.2020
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.20--1.49pm.Seattle.2020
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      Windows 10 November 2019.

Branimir Maksimovic replied ( to me ):
> > Some people simply can't configure Windows 10 properly;
> > it's too confusing, with all the new hardware/software.
> > For them, I suggest the iPhone, or an Android.
> 
> Or use Linux and much of problems dissapear...

If you can't afford an Android, sure.
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.20--1.46pm.Seattle.2020
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      Tell us why your CPU is better.

Branimir Maksimovic replied ( to me ):
> > My 4.3+ GigaHz CPU is 78°F !
> > 6 cores, 12 virtual, should be enough.
> 
> You got obsolete CPU....

Tell us why your CPU is better.
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.20--11.25am.Seattle.2020
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      The cheapest housing.

The rooming house that I manage offers 
the crappiest/cheapest SROs available.
[ SRO: Standing Rooms Only ]

Every year, more and more people can't
afford the cheapest/crappiest rent;
and our vacancy-rate goes up.

"Hoovervilles" ( tent cities ) are 
worse now than they were in the 1930's.
Yeah, those were the good old days !

The cheapest housing has the worst tenants,
the most: evictions, drugs, property damage,
squatting, and police activity.

Every year, such housing vanishes 
like a teardrop in Death Valley.

Where's the technology 
when you really needed it ?!

It's 1934 All Over Again:
http://Jeff-Relf.Me/1934.All.Over.Again.PNG
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.20--9.08am.Seattle.2020
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      Windows 10 November 2019.

DFS wrote:
> I'm pretty sure I've not once defended Win10.
> I don't use it or like it very much (
> weird start menu, 

I've never even seen it, not once.
It's turned off.

> forced updates, 

Turned off... Because I know what I'm doing.
I re-install Windows whenever there's a major update.
I'm running version 1909: Windows 10 November 2019.

> telemetry, 

Turned off, P2P distribution turned off.

> nag screens ).

Windows 10 never nags me, never.

I stopped Firefox 69, Developer Edition,
from nagging me -- it wasn't easy.

Microsoft Office 2016 nags me, 
but it's not a pop-up,
so I haven't bothered to turn it off.

http://Jeff-Relf.Me/Win10.REG.TXT

> I've had exactly 2 BSOD in ~5 years 
> of daily Win 8.1 usage.

I can't remember the last time I got a BSOD.
It must've been --many-- years ago.

Some people simply can't configure Windows 10 properly;
it's too confusing, with all the new hardware/software.

For them, I suggest the iPhone, or an android.
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      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.19--4.42pm.Seattle.2020
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.20--8.36am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
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      4.3+ GigaHz CPU is 78 F !

MrChrisV replied ( to me ):
> > "MSI MPG z390 Gaming Edge AC" ( 300 Series ) Motherboard.
> > i7-8700, 4.25+ GigaHz ( gaming mode ), LGA 1151.
> > ddr4 RAM, 3 GigaHz ( gaming mode ), 16 gigs.
> > 
> > CPU Fan: 4 copper, water-in-a-vacuum HeatPipes, 
> > DeepCool GamMaxx GT BK.  4.3+ GigaHz CPU is 78°F !
> 
> Were you tempted to go AMD?
> They seem to be out-front
> of Intel, at this point in time.

I did it August 6th, 2019, 
before I knew about AMD's extra cores.

I got 6 cores, 12 virtual, which should be enough.
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      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.19--4.42pm.Seattle.2020
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.20--8.25am.Seattle.2020
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      Assembling my new PC.

MrChrisV replied ( to me ):
> > I did a fresh install of Win10,
> > then installed the drivers for my new PC.
> 
> In my experience, 
> Win10 does most drivers automagically.

No, hence the fresh install.

Microsoft doesn't keep the latest drivers
for the newest hardware;
instead, it installs generic drivers.
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.20--7.19am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
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      I made copies of my primary SSD, "C:".

I should've said:
> I booted Win10 first try, no hardware problems.
> 
> I made copies of my primary SSD, "C:",
> did a fresh install of Win10,
> and installed the drivers.
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.19--4.42pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m69 Cool; 1.6 Hours, GoogleG, 129.139.180.135,  Mar 19 {  2:39pm, 2020 }:21^(PDT)  Xჩɠβ
      Assembling my new PC.

My current PC was assembled using all new parts;
I spent all night putting it together;
it booted Win10 first try, no hardware problems.

Configuring the software was much more difficult;
it took a couple days... but I'm a expert.  

I made copies of my primary SSD, "C:",
did a fresh install of Win10,
and installed the drivers.

512 gig, USB 3.1 "Corsair Flash Voyager GTX"
thumb Drive.  On the motherboard:
1 TeraByte, "Samsung 970 EVO Plus"; 
Reads/Writes 3.5/3.3 GigaBytes/Sec.

4k, 40", 25 lb, Philips bdm4037uw curved monitor.
"MSI GeForce GTX 1650 AERO ITX 4G OC", 4K at 60 Hz;
runs MadVR+LAV for proper 4k, 60 fps videos.

Ergotech Freedom Arm, Heavy Duty, 30 lbs Max, 
( Tilt: 45° Dwn, 90° Up ), 360° Pole, 27" Reach.

"MSI MPG z390 Gaming Edge AC" ( 300 Series ) Motherboard.
i7-8700, 4.25+ GigaHz ( gaming mode ), LGA 1151.
ddr4 RAM, 3 GigaHz ( gaming mode ), 16 gigs.

CPU Fan: 4 copper, water-in-a-vacuum HeatPipes, 
DeepCool GamMaxx GT BK.  4.3+ GigaHz CPU is 78°F !

ATX Mid-Tower Chassis, FrontUSB( 2.0, 2.0, 3.0 ), 
Back( 2.0, 2.0, 3.1g2, 3.1g2c, 3.1, 3.1 ), 
Wi-Fi antennas.

Logitech g600 mouse.
Logitech g635 USB HeadSet.
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.19--11.09am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
      The Grapes of Wrath.

“The Grapes of Wrath” is about small farms
going under, unions, and the starving.

Starvation is no longer a problem,
we’re obese; today, we need housing.

Who will solve the housing issue ?

Who will become the Amazon of housing ?

This is the real issue, Governor,
not –relative– poverty ( a.k.a. jealousy ).
■
Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.18--5.18pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
      History repeats.

Don't ignore the immune system,
as if it's not a factor.

The 1918 flu is scary because it's unknown;
it was so long ago, we can make up stories.

HIV was scary, now it's not.
Ebola was scary, now it's not.
On and on it goes, history repeats.
■
Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.18--3.59pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
      Zombies.

Even if you manage to not join the growing
horde of zombies, you're still in trouble.

The 15oz "Stagg Chili" I bought 6 weeks ago
from Amazon is now unavailable; 
and there are no alternatives 
that aren't 6 times the price.

Same for other products I usually buy.

Congratulations prepers,
your "one year supply of food"
idea seems rather precient now.
■
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.17--6.32am.Seattle.2020
    MrChrisV  05m17fl6e7uh1g9nmj57bpcljhtc0mnhtm@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.17--3.38pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m83 Dropped; 8.5 Hours, F_Agent, HighWinds➤Fastusenet.ORG,  Mar 17 {  7: 4am, 2020 }:34^(-5)  XყВР
      People are afraid of the unknown.

MrChrisV replied ( to me ):
> > Last time it was this bad,
> > World War II woke us from the slumber.
> 
> War won't help, if the health care system gets 
> overloaded by half the population getting sick,
> all at once.

You are afraid of the unknown,
which reminds me of HIV in the early 80's.

Back then, people were doing too much cocaine;
it was suppressing their immune systems.

Today we realize that it's not a death sentence;
Michael Jordan survived it, for example.
■
Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.17--6.32am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
      People are afraid of the unknown.

People are afraid of the unknown.
The Y2K bug was bogus.
HIV never lived up to the hype.

Our current problems started earlier,
with the riots in Hong Kong and Chile;
the virus is a symptom, not the cause.

Willy-Nilly borrowing,
like there’s no tomorrow,
relieves the pain.

Heroin and religion also work,
when the pain is too great.

Last time it was this bad,
World War II woke us from the slumber.
■
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      MrChrisV  vmtu6fld800ted8lqg1sdohbk4ngq8kpsn@4ax.com
    Checkmate│More_Bull_Schiff  d0kmhs.qck.17.5@news.alt.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.16--7.15am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m225 Mad; 6.2 Minutes, MicroPlanet, Alt.NET,  Mar 16 {  7: 4am, 2020 }:10^(-7)  XყKϸ
      Because Bernie thinks we should.

Our resident opiate addict tells us:
> I'm one healthy motherfucker.

Again:

  Real viruses are trivial;
  unknown viruses are apocalyptic.

  Starting with the Hong Kong riots...
  People lose their jobs and go insane.
  People go insane and lose their jobs.

  Hence these pain relievers:
  - Heroin, Religion. 
  - Negative interest rates.
  - Negative risk premiums.

  Today's T-bill rates indicate 
  it's 1934 All Over Again.
  http://Jeff-Relf.Me/1934.All.Over.Again.PNG
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          Ned_Latham│nedlatham@woden_  slrnr6uf63.is2.nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.16--6.45am.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics, Sci.Physics, Particle, Sci.Physics.Relativity
    ╱ 1  m26 Top; 1.8 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Individual.NET,  Mar 16 {  4:27am, 2020 }:32^(11)  Xღჰν
      People freak out and imagine the worst.

Sylvia Else wrote:
> It is angels on pinheads stuff to suggest that 
> there are "real" values for these quantities that 
> cannot be accessed through measurements.

Whenever something is unknown and/or unknowable,
people freak out and imagine the worst.

Real viruses are trivial;
unknown viruses are apocalyptic.

"Shut up and Calculate" is preferable to imagining 
bizarre universes constantly popping into existence 
everywhere, as pop-science would have it. 

Despite the lack of evidence, it's safe to assume that
Schrodinger's cat is either dead or alive, not both.

The future is just as fixed as the past;
the 4 dimensional TimeScape is static, immutable.

Randomness is ignorance, nothing more, nothing less.
"God" is nature, nothing more, nothing less.

Religion is a painkiller, similar to heroin 
and today's prolific "lending".
■
Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.15--10.26pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
      It's 1934 All Over Again.

Today's T-bill rates indicate 
it's 1934 All Over Again.
http://Jeff-Relf.Me/1934.All.Over.Again.PNG
■
    JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.14--5.53pm.Seattle.2020
Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.15--3.37am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m54 Top; 9.7 Hours, X.HTM, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Mar 14 {  5:53pm, 2020 }: 1^(Seattle)  Xღ8л
      Real viruses are trivial.

Real viruses are trivial;
unknown viruses are apocalyptic.

Starting with the Hong Kong riots...
People lose their jobs and go insane.
People go insane and lose their jobs.

Hence these pain relievers:
- Heroin, Religion. 
- Negative interest rates.
- Negative risk premiums.
■
Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.14--5.53pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
      Real viruses are trivial.

Real viruses are trivial;
unknown viruses are apocalyptic.
■
              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.4--8.14pm.Seattle.2020
            BranimirMaksimovic  X1l8G.580937$_R5.417930@fx19.am4
          anonlinuxuser│linuxuser@noone_  r3u7t4$o3u$3@dont-email.me
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      anonlinuxuser│linuxuser@noone_  r4198r$p0e$6@dont-email.me
    Al_Czervik│Caddyshack_Al@gmail_  r4hou5$3e5$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.14--2.29am.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m12 Cool; 3.9 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Mar 13 { 10:10pm, 2020 }:57^(-7)  Xქʫз
      People lose their job and go insane.

People lose their job and go insane.
People go insane and lose their job.

Hence:
- Heroin, Religion. 
- Negative interest rates.
- Negative risk premiums.
■
              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.4--8.14pm.Seattle.2020
            BranimirMaksimovic  X1l8G.580937$_R5.417930@fx19.am4
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      anonlinuxuser│linuxuser@noone_  r4198r$p0e$6@dont-email.me
    Al_Czervik│Caddyshack_Al@gmail_  r4hou5$3e5$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.14--2.15am.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m12 Cool; 3.9 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Mar 13 { 10:10pm, 2020 }:57^(-7)  Xქʫз
      People lose their job and go insane.

People lose their job and go insane.
People go insane and lose their job.
■
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.12--7.09pm.Seattle.2020
    Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  r4er15$1835$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.12--7.36pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m23 Cool; 4.6 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Aioe.ORG,  Mar 12 {  7:26pm, 2020 }:47^(-5)  XფЖʧ
      Negative interest rates + negative risk premiums.

Sergio replied ( to me ):
> > If the global market were a dog,
> > we'd take it out behind the barn
> > and shoot it
> 
> dude, prices only went back about 6 months.  
> Except for the Oil conpanies, they got hammered.
> remember that huge rise from oct 19 to feb 20 ?  20% ?

There's no difference between
" negative interest rates + negative risk premiums "
and painkillers like heroin and religion.

It's what we give old, dying men.
■
Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.12--7.09pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
      If the global market were a dog...

If the global market were a dog,
we'd take it out behind the barn
and shoot it.
■
Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.12--0.58am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
      Dying Boomers.

Boeing execs used share buybacks to
extract 43 billion $ from the company.

They know Boeing is "too big to fail";
so it's: heads they win, tails we lose.

And this is only the tip of the iceberg;
more fraud and bailouts coming.

Negative interest rates 
and negative risk premiums 
will ease the pain so the (dying) boomers
( Trump and Biden ) won't feel anything.
■
Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.10--11.48pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
      Every junkie is a setting sun.

Negative InterestRates/RiskPremiums are 
like heroin&religion -- they kill the pain.
Every junkie is a setting sun.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hd3oqvnDKQk
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.10--0.01am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 2  m67 Cool; 4.9 Hours, GoogleG, 173.70.116.6,  Mar  9 {  6:21pm, 2020 }:42^(PDT)  Xტϻχ
      Seattle wants to be Detroit.

Minimum-Wage Regulations benefit government/union 
workers to the detriment of the poorest among us
who can't reach the lowest rung on the ladder.

These people are -poor-;
you can't even imagine it, Hugh.

California AB5 bans people who'd work fewer hours
because it harms government/union workers.

Seattle won't let property managers screen potential
tenants based on their criminal history;
as a result, good tenants move out.

Seattle provides tenants with crack lawyers;
so it takes countless months/money to evict 
someone who hasn't paid rent.

As a result, good tenants move out.

Seattle won't touch career criminals;
as a result, innocent people die 
and good people leave the city.

In Cuba, where Castro-loving "Bernie Sanders"
are everywhere, your only job is to wait in line
for that same piece of bread you've
been eating for decades.

Seattle wants to be Detroit,
and it's succeeding.

12,112 homeless in Seattle.
Hordes of thieving junkies.

Negative interest rates.
Negative risk premiums.

What could go wrong ?
■
Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.9--11.07pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
      What could go wrong ?

12,112 homeless in Seattle.
Hordes of thieving junkies.
Negative interest rates.
Negative risk premiums.
What could go wrong ?
■
    .  Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.7--5.14pm.Seattle.2020
Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.7--5.44pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
      Shrinking banks.

Amazing, shrinking banks:
https://fingfx.thomsonreuters.com/gfx/buzzifr/15/8577/8577/Pasted%20Image.jpg
https://fingfx.thomsonreuters.com/gfx/buzzifr/15/8569/8569/Pasted%20Image.jpg

EuroZone banks lost 85% of their 2007 value;
their earnings track 10y bund yields:
https://fingfx.thomsonreuters.com/gfx/buzzifr/15/8574/8574/Pasted%20Image.jpg
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.7--5.14pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
Shrinking banks.

Amazing, shrinking banks:
https://fingfx.thomsonreuters.com/gfx/buzzifr/15/8569/8569/Pasted%20Image.jpg

EuroZone banks lost 85% of their 2007 value;
their earnings track 10y bund yields:
https://fingfx.thomsonreuters.com/gfx/buzzifr/15/8574/8574/Pasted%20Image.jpg
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.6--4.23pm.Seattle.2020
  Alt.Privacy.Anon-Server, Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Comp.Sys.Mac.System, Misc.Phone.Mobile.Iphone
    ╱ 3  m10 Cool; 3.6 Hours, Thoth➤Mac, Eternal-September.ORG,  Mar  6 { 11:56am, 2020 }:19^(-5)  XრΩʋ
      ObamaCare ruled unconstitutional.

According to Wikipedia...

December 14, 2018, Judge O'Connor ruled that
The Affordable Care Act is no longer constitutional.

In December of 2019, the Fifth Circuit agreed that
the individual mandate was unconstitutional.

The Supreme Court accepted the case in March 2020,
but to be heard in the 2020-2021 term,
with the ruling likely falling after the 2020 elections.
■
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          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.4--4.54pm.Seattle.2020
        Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  4rn06fd5a96h5cv5i1f0e81eop2i4apr6j@4ax.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.4--8.14pm.Seattle.2020
    BranimirMaksimovic  X1l8G.580937$_R5.417930@fx19.am4
Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.6--0.46am.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m4 Shifty; 3.3 Hours, slrn➤Linux, Usenet-News.NET,  Mar  5 {  9:17pm, 2020 }:43  Xრqქ
      Forcing "Granny" out of her home.

Branimir replied ( to me ):
> > Governments are pricing people out of the rental market.
> > 54 % of Seattle households rent.
> > 12,112 people are homeless.
> 
> How so ? In USA ?

Yes, in Seattle Washington, where I live. 

The government is "printing" ( i.e. borrowing )
money so fast, and lying about the subsequent inflation, 
it's forcing "Granny" out of her home.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.4--5.58pm.Seattle.2020
            anonlinuxuser│linuxuser@none_  r3pplm$50k$1@dont-email.me
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.4--8.36pm.Seattle.2020
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      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.5--0.17am.Seattle.2020
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.5--11.35am.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m4 Shifty; 2.6 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤X11, Eternal-September.ORG,  Mar  5 {  8:13am, 2020 }:  ^(-7)  XჟШy
      Capitalism had nothing to do with it, nothing.

Someone replied ( to me ):
> > More loans == More money == Inflation.
> > No one borrows more than the government.
> > 
> > If the government didn't flood the markets with cash,
> > Granny could afford to rent.
> 
> Inflation is caused by this insane banking system... 

Every loan magically produces money out of thin air.

And the government borrows like there's no tomorrow.

Submissive Banks do the government's bidding.

The Freddie Mac, Fannie Mae, 
and repo fiascos are ongoing.

The Fed's balance sheet still contains plenty of
(unwanted) mortgage-backed securities.

All thanks to government carelessness;
capitalism had nothing to do with it, nothing.

> [The dollar] used to be backed by gold.

Those days are long gone.
Today, the government "prints" (borrows) like mad
and then covers it up via fake inflation indices.
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          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.4--5.58pm.Seattle.2020
        anonlinuxuser│linuxuser@none_  r3pplm$50k$1@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.4--8.36pm.Seattle.2020
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.5--0.17am.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m3 Shifty; 1.2 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Mac, Eternal-September.ORG,  Mar  4 {  9:46pm, 2020 }:23^(-7)  XჟΒЕ
      The government doesn't need/want bankers.

The government doesn't need/want bankers.

More loans == More money == Inflation.

No one borrows more than the government.

In Seattle, my hometown,
rents went up 68% from 2010 to 2017.

If you're on a fixed income,
and the government lies to you,
telling you that inflation is 1 %,
you end up on the streets.

54 % of Seattle households rent.

12,112 of us are homeless.

If the government didn't flood the markets with cash,
Granny could afford to rent.
■
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.4--5.58pm.Seattle.2020
    anonlinuxuser│linuxuser@noone_  r3pplm$50k$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.4--8.36pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m3 Shifty; 1.5 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Mac, Eternal-September.ORG,  Mar  4 {  6:54pm, 2020 }:46^(-7)  Xჟʕk
      How do you think they're funded ? taxes ?

Someone replied ( to me ):
> > Governments everywhere, all the time,
> > -love- to print money; and they hide the inflation.
> > 
> > So if you're on a fixed income, as many are,
> > you can't afford rent.
> 
> The government doesn't print the money... 

Like hell it doesn't.

Argentina, Venezuela, Zimbabwe and Brazil
don't print money like mad, always ?!

How do you think they're funded ? taxes ?
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      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.4--4.54pm.Seattle.2020
    Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  4rn06fd5a96h5cv5i1f0e81eop2i4apr6j@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.4--8.14pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m34 Cool; 1.4 Hours, F_Agent, Θ,  Mar  4 {  6:11pm, 2020 }:20^(-5)  Xჟʍю
      12,112 people are homeless.

Hømer replied ( to me ):
> > Governments are pricing people out of the rental market.
> 
> Fuck renters.  Fucking lazy bums need to
> get a well-paying job and buy a home of their own.

54 % of Seattle households rent.

12,112 people are homeless.

If the government didn't flood the markets with cash,
Granny could afford to rent.

> Renters don't have any pride of ownership 
> so they end up trashing rental housing.

Very true.
■
Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.4--5.58pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
      Sanders, Biden or Trump, it's all the same.

Sanders, Biden or Trump, it's all the same.

Governments everywhere, all the time,
-love- to print money; and they hide the inflation.

So if you're on a fixed income, as many are,
you can't afford rent.
■
              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.3--7.11pm.Seattle.2020
            MrChrisV  opbv5f59a4c7h2s2t0nmdla7cqn651ao9c@4ax.com
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        MrChrisV  cedv5fpqq2mlaidopeja9nj07iuejn2j0d@4ax.com
      mixed_nuts│melopsitticus  r3ofkh$1a81$2@gioia.aioe.org
    Siri_Cruise│chine_bleu@yahoo_  chine.bleu-816146.11350104032020@reader.eternal-september.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.4--4.54pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m5 Dropped; 1.3 Hours, NewsWatcher➤Mac, Eternal-September.ORG,  Mar  4 { 11:35am, 2020 }:10^(-8)  XჟɁф
      Governments are pricing people out of the rental market.

"Siri Cruise" replied:
> >>>>> A tsunami of cash, pouring into the markets,
> >>>>> is pricing people out of the rental market.
> 
> This is an example of how capitalism harms society...

Governments are pricing people out of the rental market.

Governments, all around the world, acting in unison, 
produced this flood of money.

Capitalism had nothing to do with it.
■
              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.24--5.11pm.Seattle.2020
            Pandora│pandora@peak_org  cv072t.bog.17.2@news.alt.net
          Checkmate│More_Bull_Schiff  cvgf47.6nr.19.1@news.alt.net
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.2--1.44pm.Seattle.2020
      Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  nk0r5f59cqjsu10o8a3o79j6hdhvvrkd8a@4ax.com
    Checkmate│More_Bull_Schiff  cvkkqp.cvb.17.46@news.alt.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.4--3.25am.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 5  m104 Cool; 32.2 Minutes, MicroPlanet, Alt.NET,  Mar  4 {  2:18am, 2020 }:30^(-8)  XპქU
      I have no fear.

Nine people have died from the Chinese flu,
here in my state, Washington; but
I don't know anyone who's been sick from it.

I've been working with a guy who escaped 
Shanghai right before the last flight out,
near the end of January, 35 days ago.

It took him 5 hours to get to the airport,
instead of 30 minutes, due to road-blocks.

He raises live chickens at his Mercer Island
mansion; so his meat and eggs are fresh.

Imagine that, slaughtering a live chicken,
and plucking it, when you want to eat it;
for me, heating-up a frozen dinner is laborious.

In China, people happily pay a premium
for wild-caught meat, hanging in the market,
unrefrigerated -- food safety is an issue.

No one trusts baby-formula made in China;
foreign versions are traded on the (huge)
black market, alongside European chocolates.

In China, not even Walmart carries cheese;
they eat some kind of "oxen", not beef.
Rats and dogs are on the menu. 

Walking along the street, here in Seattle,
I see Chinese people wearing facemasks.

Still, I have no fear.
■
              MrChrisV  lnns5f9le9vacl0ipo661u0biavnd8qkfv@4ax.com
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.3--8.50am.Seattle.2020
          MrChrisV  2b6t5f56hgbjihcqclcedq573aqdkp56bl@4ax.com
        Skeeter│Scoot@invalid_invalid  o5nt5f5fgh8jgg0oeid55gkcc9noartj82@4ax.com
      PeeScent  cvjcet.fjj.17.1@news.alt.net
    Checkmate│More_Bull_Schiff  cvk8im.cvb.17.36@news.alt.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.3--11.39pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m98 Cool; 1 Minutes, MicroPlanet, Alt.NET,  Mar  3 { 10:49pm, 2020 }:23^(-8)  Xპтɓ
      Trinity Orchestra plays Pink Floyd.

" Trinity Orchestra [ Trinity College, Dublin ]
  plays Pink Floyd's 'The Dark Side of the Moon' 
  - 'Time' and 'Breathe (Reprise)' "

www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnB4spzCVEc

■
Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.3--7.11pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
      Pricing people out of the rental market.

A tsunami of cash, pouring into the markets, 
is pricing people out of the rental market.

On the bright side:
-- Oil is cheap.
-- Asia still has a great work ethic.
-- Singapore is a duplicatable success story.
■
            .  2tkt4f9c36rm7juviiughpj9o2dp0l16od@4ax.com
          .  cve4qh.fj1.17.9@news.alt.net
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.1--3.18pm.Seattle.2020
      BenJacoby  r3i4qt$16ua$1@gioia.aioe.org
    HughHuntzinger  d51d1f29-ac72-4c20-8b6c-f36718a668ee@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.2--1.03pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 3  m39 Cool; 5 Hours, GoogleG, 173.70.116.6,  Mar  2 {  4: 1am, 2020 }: 2^(PST)  XოϠȴ
      The contrast.

Hugh Huntzinger wrote:
> I do expect next Friday's market 
> to once again be flat or down...

The recent drop in the stock market
was attributed to China's flu.

Viruses are everywhere, all the time;
stress is the reason the 1918 flu killed
6 x more people than the war itself.

China's cure is worse than the disease.

The stock market is bursting with money;
a cash tsunami.

Negative interest rates, negative risk premiums.

No one, anywhere, is concerned about rising debt,
especially not the government.

Meanwhile, GenZ has given up hope of renting,
much less owning, a place to stay.

See the contrast ?
■
              BenJacoby  r3i4qt$16ua$1@gioia.aioe.org
            .  d51d1f29-ac72-4c20-8b6c-f36718a668ee@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.2--1.03pm.Seattle.2020
        .  3781bc61-16c8-4f03-99c4-8d2b67dd8548@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.2--5.19pm.Seattle.2020
    MrChrisV  lnns5f9le9vacl0ipo661u0biavnd8qkfv@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.3--8.50am.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 3  m16 Dropped; 2.8 Hours, F_Agent, Fastusenet.ORG,  Mar  3 {  5:45am, 2020 }:23^(-6)  Xპʉδ
      Entropy solves everything ?!

MrChrisV replied ( to me ):
> > Billie Eilish for president, 2020.
> 
> Bland and boring, IMO.

" Billie is the youngest person,
  and second person ever,
  to win the four main Grammy categories,
  ( Best New Artist, Record of the Year,
    Song of the Year, and Album of the Year ), 
  in the same year. "

> > Boomers are hoarding all the cash;
> > GenZ isn't getting any of it.
> 
> We can't live forever.

Entropy solves everything ?!
■
              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.24--5.11pm.Seattle.2020
            Pandora│pandora@peak_org  cv072t.bog.17.2@news.alt.net
          Checkmate│More_Bull_Schiff  cvgf47.6nr.19.1@news.alt.net
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.2--1.44pm.Seattle.2020
      Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  nk0r5f59cqjsu10o8a3o79j6hdhvvrkd8a@4ax.com
    MrChrisV  dkms5f53ets2bpjucsqmug05t1r14pqcek@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.3--5.36am.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m14 Dropped; 27 Secs, F_Agent, Fastusenet.ORG,  Mar  3 {  5:27am, 2020 }:46^(-6)  Xპʆϑ
      Vittles Vault.

MrChrisV noted:
> Anyone who shits in a bucket, 
> like Relf does, can't be too afraid of germs.

I shit into a soup ladle, then
transfer it to a Vittles Vault;
so there's no smell.

It's better-n-cheaper than what you have, Chris.

And I don't need 1 car, much less 3 of them,
as you do.

> Actually, viruses avoid Relf.
> They are afraid that he'll infect them.

True.
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              BenJacoby  r3i4qt$16ua$1@gioia.aioe.org
            .  d51d1f29-ac72-4c20-8b6c-f36718a668ee@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.2--1.03pm.Seattle.2020
        .  3781bc61-16c8-4f03-99c4-8d2b67dd8548@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.2--5.19pm.Seattle.2020
    BranimirMaksimovic  iki7G.438051$co3.325065@fx11.am4
Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.2--6.16pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m1 Shifty; 38.6 Minutes, slrn➤Linux, Usenet-News.NET,  Mar  2 {  5:23pm, 2020 }:26  XპDე
      Beyond Meat, Beyond Beef, sound amazing.

Branimir replied ( to me ):
> > Billie Eilish for president, 2020.
> > Boomers are hoarding all the cash;
> > GenZ isn't getting any of it.
> 
> Why her ?

Because she's young, rich and popular.

> Was she raised vegan ?

Yes.

> Vegans are most biggoted and annoying persons...

Yes but, at times, impoverished-Asian-style 
food is a nice alternative.

Beyond Meat, Beyond Beef, sound amazing,
and they're good for the environment;
however, they're too bougie/expensive.
■
              .  cve4qh.fj1.17.9@news.alt.net
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.1--3.18pm.Seattle.2020
          BenJacoby  r3i4qt$16ua$1@gioia.aioe.org
        HughHuntzinger  d51d1f29-ac72-4c20-8b6c-f36718a668ee@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.2--1.03pm.Seattle.2020
    HughHuntzinger  3781bc61-16c8-4f03-99c4-8d2b67dd8548@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.2--5.19pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 3  m39 Cool; 2 Hours, GoogleG, 129.139.180.135,  Mar  2 {  2:13pm, 2020 }:12^(PST)  XოფȾ
      Billie Eilish for president, 2020.

Hugh Huntzinger replied ( to me ):
> > GenZ has given up hope of renting,
> > much less owning, a place to stay.
> 
> It's mostly Boomers who are being blind to reality.

Billie Eilish for president, 2020.

Boomers are hoarding all the cash;
GenZ isn't getting any of it.
■
              Pandora│pandora@peak_org  cuu9jo.n3c.19.1@news.alt.net
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.24--3.00pm.Seattle.2020
          Pandora│pandora@peak_org  cuucm1.qjm.19.1@news.alt.net
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.24--5.11pm.Seattle.2020
      Pandora│pandora@peak_org  cv072t.bog.17.2@news.alt.net
    Checkmate│More_Bull_Schiff  cvgf47.6nr.19.1@news.alt.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.2--1.44pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m13 Cool; 1.2 Hours, MicroPlanet, Θ,  Mar  2 {   :16pm, 2020 }:36^(-8)  XოაТ
      Kim Jong Un.

The lion's "pride" is a harem of females/offspring.

One male ( Kim Jong Un ) fucks/sleeps all day;
the rest are off on their own.

It works, it's natural.
■
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.1--2.22pm.Seattle.2020
        PeeScent  cve2fh.3s7.19.1@news.alt.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.1--2.57pm.Seattle.2020
    PeeScent  cve4j6.11u.17.1@news.alt.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.2--1.08am.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    --Robot, 9.7 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Θ,  Mar  1 {  3: 4pm, 2020 }:37^(-7)  XოɮУ
      In the song, the mother didn't get a bag of dope.

PeeScent replied ( to me ):
> > A mother pimped her 12-year-old virgin daughter
> > for a bag of dope.
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vffJ63TnXhw
>
> It's been a country song for years.
> [ See: "Fancy" by Reba McEntire ]

In the song, the mother didn't get a bag of dope,
and the daughter wound up rich and famous,
not a beat up, half dead, homeless whore.
■
      Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  2tkt4f9c36rm7juviiughpj9o2dp0l16od@4ax.com
    Checkmate│More_Bull_Schiff  cve4qh.fj1.17.9@news.alt.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.1--3.18pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m85 Cool; 4.2 Minutes, MicroPlanet, Θ,  Mar  1 {  3: 8pm, 2020 }:31^(-8)  Xოɯʗ
      China is overreacting.

The world is overreacting;
China is overreacting.

Millions of Americans catch the flu, every year;
tens of thousands of us die, every year, in America.
■
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.1--2.22pm.Seattle.2020
    PeeScent  cve2fh.3s7.19.1@news.alt.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.1--2.57pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    --Robot, 14.4 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Θ,  Mar  1 {  2:28pm, 2020 }:31^(-7)  XოɨН
      A toe tapper.

PeeScent replied ( to me ):
> > A mother pimped her 12-year-old virgin daughter
> > for a bag of dope.
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vffJ63TnXhw
> 
> it's been a country song for years
                         
Really ?!   Can you name it ?

It sounds like a real toe tapper.
■
Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.1--2.22pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
      Society didn't offer anything better.

A mother pimped her 12-year-old virgin daughter
for a bag of dope.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vffJ63TnXhw

Obviously, that was her best life, because 
society didn't offer her anything better.
■
    joshipura@gmail_com  996978f2-e99a-428c-a26f-1f9b34269ceb@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.1--1.29am.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m2 Shifty; 2.1 Hours, GoogleG, 49.205.216.213,  Feb 29 { 10:44pm, 2020 }:43^(PST)  Xნсʣ
      We consume what nature gave us, same as the sun.

JoshIpura wrote:
> Observation:
> 1. ( Approx. Newton's first law ) 
> Nothing can change its state by itself
> 
> Now the question is:
> 5. Is such a chain convergent or divergent?
> finite or infinite ?

Intrinsically, it's infinite, eternal;
but all observations are finite.

We're talking "thermodynamics"; specifically, 
spontaneous changes from the less probable
to the more probable.

Rolling "snake eyes" ( 1, 1 ) is less probable
than rolling a 7 ( 3, 4; 5,2; 1, 6; ... ).

  In physics, entropy is how evenly
  heat/matter  are distributed.

  Our  hot/dense  sun evaporates into 
  the  cold/sparse  vacuum,
  losing 4.3 million tons each second.

  Our Universe is going from infinitely
  hot/dense  to infinitely  cold/sparse.

  "God" (nature) programmed us to ride this wave 
  ( i.e. to sustainably consume residual eXergy ),
  same as the sun.

We consume what nature gave us, same as the sun.
■
    joshipura@gmail_com  1b1cb5cb-bd6e-48fd-8e1c-288efacecf5e@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.1--1.12am.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 2  m2 Shifty; 2.3 Hours, GoogleG, 49.205.216.213,  Feb 29 { 10:34pm, 2020 }:42^(PST)  XნпШ
      Photons are absorbed and re-emitted.

Some kid asked JoshIpura:
> if light leaves a denser medium
> to a lighter medium, its velocity increases. 
> 
> That means it accelerated for a moment. 
> That means there was a force. 
> Question: What generated that force?

In the absence of a vacuum,
photons are absorbed and re-emitted.

An electron might absorb a photon,
if it's the right frequency,
and get pushed into a higher, discrete "orbit" 
( a new probability distribution, actually ).

Such "orbits" are discrete, not continuous.

Later, the electron might emit a photon,
at a certain, specific frequency,
sending the electron down to a lower "orbit".
■
          Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  r36d8c$18hf$1@gioia.aioe.org
        whodat│whodat@avoid_void_net  r36hf5$m6$1@dont-email.me
      Roy_Masters│noemail@invalid_  r36tbi$1lmv$1@gioia.aioe.org
    Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  r377ed$11e2$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.26--7.01pm.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics, Sci.Math
    ╱ 2  m233 Mad; 21.8 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win7, Aioe.ORG,  Feb 26 {  5:53pm, 2020 }:13^(-6)  XლАч
      Every man gets a blonde ( Hitler excluded ).

Sergio wrote:
> In the Norwegian system, each family gets 1 carp a day.

And every man gets a blonde ( Hitler excluded ).
■
              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.24--9.22am.Seattle.2020
            Pandora│pandora@peak_org  cuu9jo.n3c.19.1@news.alt.net
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.24--3.00pm.Seattle.2020
        Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  hbmdg3Fnk1uU1@mid.individual.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.26--10.10am.Seattle.2020
    MsNadegda  r36tmu$hsb$55@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.26--6.50pm.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m64 Dropped; 3.1 Hours, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Feb 26 {  3: 7pm, 2020 }:10  Xლϗȼ
      Sylvia Else.

MsNadegda replied ( to me ):
> > Thanks for popping my bubble, Sylvia.
> 
> Oh, is *that* what the kids are calling it these days?

What ? sex ?  I wish ( only with her ).

I'd -love- to know more about her.

She has a PowerWall ( Tesla Energy ).
■
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.24--9.22am.Seattle.2020
        Pandora│pandora@peak_org  cuu9jo.n3c.19.1@news.alt.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.24--3.00pm.Seattle.2020
    Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  hbmdg3Fnk1uU1@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.26--10.10am.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m1 Top; 2 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win7, Θ,  Feb 25 {  9:20pm, 2020 }: 3^(11)  Xლrɻ
      People who want to die/breed young.

Sylvia Else replied ( to me ):
> > > The richer and more educated a woman is,
> > > the less likely she is to bear children.
>
> It's a temporary phenomenon. 
> 
> Eventually almost all humans on the planet 
> will be the descendents of women who were 
> genetically predisposed to wanting lots of children. 
> 
> The population crisis will resume,
> and be much less amenable to a solution.

Thanks for popping my bubble, Sylvia.

Many factors are more powerful than genetics;
only time will tell, and I won't be here then.

I'm seeing a lot of thrillseekers these days,
people who want to die/breed young.

P.S. Have you ever worked for the Dubbo observatory:
https://d218r57cmet8do.cloudfront.net/resized/images/Attractions/5807/VISIT-ATTRACTIONS-Dubbo-Observatory-The-Night-Sky-In-Front-Of-The-Dubbo-Observatory_c71962a7b05c82593331ca8edd8a4606_479563a2c7160745098f245aa2fd8f14.jpg
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              .  cv0esb.f70.19.1@news.alt.net
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.25--11.52am.Seattle.2020
          MsNadegda  r33v8t$hsb$46@dont-email.me
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.25--0.39pm.Seattle.2020
      MsNadegda  r342bm$hsb$48@dont-email.me
    Jack_Shit│neam@invalid_invalid  pjbb5fpooek9ofn25uljqqnl1skoqj3gif@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.25--3.51pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m2 Shifty; 5.3 Minutes, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Feb 25 {  3:32pm, 2020 }:47^(-7)  Xკჱʧ
      Only the first in line will get paid.

Jack_Shit replied ( to MsNadegda ):
> > Build public housing NOW !
> 
> Have you been around public housing ? 
> I wouldn't send my worst enemy to such a place.

True.
How does she plan on paying for it ?

It was the government's endless need for debt, 
supplied by the central bank,
that created the negative interest rates, 
and the negative risk premiums, not "banksters".

It's a Ponzi scheme and, 
like all Ponzi schemes,
only the first in line will get paid.

Trump was born on third base, 
yet imagines he hit a triple.
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              Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  r33itp$4as$2@gioia.aioe.org
            Pandora│pandora@peak_org  cv0esb.f70.19.1@news.alt.net
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.25--11.52am.Seattle.2020
        .  r33v8t$hsb$46@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.25--0.39pm.Seattle.2020
    BenJacoby  r342io$fa4$4@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.25--3.17pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m6 Dropped; 1.3 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Aioe.ORG,  Feb 25 {  1:11pm, 2020 }:52^(-5)  Xკკხ
      Be first in line.

Ben Jacoby replied ( to me ):
> > It was the government's endless need for debt,
> > supplied by the central bank,
> > that created the negative interest rates,
> > and the negative risk premiums, not "banksters".
> 
> Government debt is a wonderful thing
> because, unlike you and me, 
> they don't have to pay it back.

The S&P 500 went up 29% last year;
Bernie Madoff would never be so bold.

Once people start cashing out,
best be first in line,
because there isn't enough to pay everyone.

Cheap oil helps, seriously.
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              Paul│nospam@needed_invalid  r1nvfv$5av$1@dont-email.me
            Arlen_Holder│arlen_george_  r1r1s9$cvm$1@news.mixmin.net
          MrChrisV  8vo24fhh3jp4h201uid6vnhoo6kaqc5ps3@4ax.com
        Arlen_Holder│arlen_george_  r1t20q$lf7$8@news.mixmin.net
      .  r32lfn$9ib$1@dont-email.me
    gazelle@shell_xmission_com  r33srk$gmb$1@news.xmission.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.25--0.52pm.Seattle.2020
  Alt.OS.Linux, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Comp.Sys.Mac.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m1 Shifty; 1.2 Hours, trn, Xmission.COM,  Feb 25 { 11:34am, 2020 }:12  XკщϺ
      Dainty iPhones.

Unlike Linux, Windows 10 -can- be configured properly.

It's difficult to do;
hence the popularity of (dainty) iPhones.
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              .  r31o5a$1igr$2@gioia.aioe.org
            .  cv06sn.bog.17.1@news.alt.net
          .  r33itp$4as$2@gioia.aioe.org
        .  cv0esb.f70.19.1@news.alt.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.25--11.52am.Seattle.2020
    MsNadegda  r33v8t$hsb$46@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.25--0.39pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m1seas5 Dropped; 17.2 Minutes, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Feb 25 {   :15pm, 2020 }:25  Xკაζ
      The government's endless need for debt.

MsNadegda replied ( to me ):
> > If your young, "healthy" kid is living the 
> > "alternative lifestyle" that's so popular these days,
> > you're stuck with him for the rest of your life.
> 
> Blame a bankster.

It was the government's endless need for debt, 
supplied by the central bank,
that created the negative interest rates, 
and the negative risk premiums, not "banksters".

And that has nothing to do with the parasites
that (foolish) women are popping out these days.

The richer and more educated a woman is,
the less likely she is to bear children.
■
              Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  9opa5fl798c2ac9avu5sdg7f1sj41chmo6@4ax.com
            Lynn_McGuire│lyrnmcguire5  r33q0r$c89$11@news.mixmin.net
          Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  cjra5fh7as8cbtndof5ja2o68ohi27g6um@4ax.com
        MsNadegda  r33tsg$hsb$38@dont-email.me
      Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  srua5fdeasqp50ff83tqk9spk7m1c2do06@4ax.com
    Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  r33v66$1vls$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.25--0.31pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m7 Cool; 1.4 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win7, Aioe.ORG,  Feb 25 {   :13pm, 2020 }:55^(-6)  Xკაɳ
      Blaming "it" (sex) on Eve's desire for penis.

Sergio wrote:
> Adam and Eve, Eve brought her snake....

The snake is a euphemism for "penis".

And it was the man, Adam,
who fell for the vagina.

Blaming "it" (sex) on Eve's desire for penis
is ridiculous, juvenile.
■
              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.24--5.11pm.Seattle.2020
            MsNadegda  r320ac$hsb$36@dont-email.me
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.24--9.12pm.Seattle.2020
        MsNadegda  r33u3o$hsb$40@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.25--0.03pm.Seattle.2020
    MsNadegda  r33v2o$hsb$44@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.25--0.22pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m14 Dropped; 3.2 Minutes, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Feb 25 {   :12pm, 2020 }: 9  Xკა9
      I'm more inclined to (fully) trust women.

MsNadegda replied ( to me ):
> > We shouldn't (fully) trust anyone,
> > no matter how fantastic we think they might be.
> 
> So, your defense against the charge of misogyny is 
> "no, actually I'm a full-blown misanthropist"?

What part of
" no matter how fantastic we think they might be "
don't you understand ?

Does a misanthropist think everyone is fantastic ?

> Doesn't fly, because you specifically singled out 
> women to accuse of being untrustworthy as a group. 
> That's misogyny, any way you slice it.

I'm more inclined to (fully) trust women;
hence the caution against it.
■
              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.24--3.00pm.Seattle.2020
            Pandora│pandora@peak_org  cuucm1.qjm.19.1@news.alt.net
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.24--5.11pm.Seattle.2020
        MsNadegda  r320ac$hsb$36@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.24--9.12pm.Seattle.2020
    MsNadegda  r33u3o$hsb$40@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.25--0.03pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m53 Dropped; 1.2 Minutes, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Feb 25 { 11:55am, 2020 }:36  Xკэɠ
      We shouldn't (fully) trust anyone.

MsNadegda replied ( to me ):
> > Respecting a woman's right to change her mind
> > is not the hallmark of a misogynist;
> > nor does it imply that women are somehow "liars".
> 
> No, but you claiming "trusting a woman is like 
> building a mansion on a shifting sand dune" DOES, 
> you misogynistic piece of shit.

We shouldn't (fully) trust anyone,
no matter how fantastic we think they might be.
■
              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.24--9.22am.Seattle.2020
            Pandora│pandora@peak_org  cuu9jo.n3c.19.1@news.alt.net
          Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  r31o5a$1igr$2@gioia.aioe.org
        Pandora│pandora@peak_org  cv06sn.bog.17.1@news.alt.net
      Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  r33itp$4as$2@gioia.aioe.org
    Pandora│pandora@peak_org  cv0esb.f70.19.1@news.alt.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.25--11.52am.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m6 Shifty; 1.1 Hours, Pan, Alt.NET,  Feb 25 { 10:34am, 2020 }:17  XკпϿ
      You're stuck with him for the rest of your life.

Pandora replied ( to Sergio ):
> > > > the richer and more educated a kid is,
> > > > the less likely they will deal with parents.
> > > 
> > > I have no idea what you mean by that.
> > > 
> > yea, it came out lame
> 
> Would you care to explain it ?

If your young, "healthy" kid is living the 
"alternative lifestyle" that's so popular these days,
you're stuck with him for the rest of your life.
■
              Pandora│pandora@peak_org  cuu9jo.n3c.19.1@news.alt.net
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.24--3.00pm.Seattle.2020
          Pandora│pandora@peak_org  cuucm1.qjm.19.1@news.alt.net
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.24--5.11pm.Seattle.2020
      Pandora│pandora@peak_org  cv072t.bog.17.2@news.alt.net
    Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  9opa5fl798c2ac9avu5sdg7f1sj41chmo6@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.25--11.46am.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 3  m103 Cool; 1.2 Hours, F_Agent, Alt.NET,  Feb 25 { 10:28am, 2020 }:25^(-5)  XკоЗ
      I respect a woman's right to change her mind.

Hømer replied ( to Pandora ):
> > > No one is being insulted.
> >
> > You [Jeff] don't like or trust women.
> 
> Jeff is a smart man! 
> It's smart to not trust a snake.

I respect a woman's right to change her mind;
affection has nothing to do with it.

Trusting a woman is like building a mansion on 
a shifting sand dune -- blown by the winds of 
information, oil, drugs, and money.
■
      .  r31n7n$hsb$32@dont-email.me
    ScottDoty  hbkaurFa55qU2@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.25--9.25am.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 9  m22 Cool; 6.2 Hours, Pan, Individual.NET,  Feb 25 {  2:24am, 2020 }:27  XკωR
      People are getting weak/sick.

Real interest rates are negative;
risk premiums are negative.

California AB5 is spreading; if you don't join a union,
and work your ass off for people who hate you,
78-year-old Bernie Sanders will fuck you over.

The vacancy rate of my rooming house 
is the highest I've seen, last 9 years.

Crappy tenants moved in;
better tenants moved out.

Fraternities to my north and south vacated;
the buildings' futures are uncertain.

China and Hong Kong are shutting down;
people are getting weak/sick.
■
              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.24--9.22am.Seattle.2020
            Pandora│pandora@peak_org  cuu9jo.n3c.19.1@news.alt.net
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.24--3.00pm.Seattle.2020
        Pandora│pandora@peak_org  cuucm1.qjm.19.1@news.alt.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.24--5.11pm.Seattle.2020
    MsNadegda  r320ac$hsb$36@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.24--9.12pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    -Dropped, 2.8 Hours, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Feb 24 {  6:21pm, 2020 }:    XკʏΕ
      Respecting a woman's right to change her mind.

MsNadegda replied ( to me ):
> > > > Trusting a woman is like building a mansion on 
> > > > a shifting sand dune -- blown by the winds of 
> > > > information, oil, drugs, and money.
> > > 
> > > Ah, one of those guys are you ?
> > 
> > Yes, I understand and respect a woman's independence.
> > 
> > No one is being insulted.
> 
> ... says the misogynist who just called women, 
> as a group, all liars.

Respecting a woman's right to change her mind
is not the hallmark of a misogynist;
nor does it imply that women are somehow "liars".
■
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.24--9.22am.Seattle.2020
          Pandora│pandora@peak_org  cuu9jo.n3c.19.1@news.alt.net
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.24--3.00pm.Seattle.2020
      Pandora│pandora@peak_org  cuucm1.qjm.19.1@news.alt.net
    .  Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.24--5.11pm.Seattle.2020
Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.24--9.02pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m2 Shifty; 1.2 Hours, Pan, Θ,  Feb 24 {  3:44pm, 2020 }:31  Xკɵʗ
      I understand and respect a woman's independence.

Pandora replied ( to me ):
> > Trusting a woman is like building a mansion on 
> > a shifting sand dune -- blown by the winds of 
> > information, oil, drugs, and money.
> 
> Ah, one of those guys are you ?

Yes, I understand and respect a woman's independence.
■
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.24--9.22am.Seattle.2020
        MsNadegda  r31chr$hsb$25@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.24--1.17pm.Seattle.2020
    MsNadegda  r31ll6$hsb$30@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.24--5.27pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m5 Dropped; 2 Hours, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Feb 24 {  3:19pm, 2020 }: 2  Xკɱȴ
      Destroying the planet.

MsNadegda replied ( to me ):
> > Trusting a woman is like building a mansion on 
> > a shifting sand dune -- blown by the winds of 
> > information, oil, drugs, and money.
> 
> Shaddup, misogynist.

"Shaddup misogynist" is not an argument.

> > Bernie is 78 years old;
> > he hasn't updated his "software" recently, I suspect.
> 
> Kook.

"Kook" is not an argument.

The richer and more educated a woman is,
the less likely she is to bear children.

Bernie Sanders wants us to earn enough money
to produce children, destroying the planet.

If we don't, he'll block our livelihoods.
See: California AB5.
■
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.24--9.22am.Seattle.2020
        Pandora│pandora@peak_org  cuu9jo.n3c.19.1@news.alt.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.24--3.00pm.Seattle.2020
    Pandora│pandora@peak_org  cuucm1.qjm.19.1@news.alt.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.24--5.11pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m2 Shifty; 1.2 Hours, Pan, Θ,  Feb 24 {  3:44pm, 2020 }:31  Xკɵʗ
      Fewer children per woman per lifetime.

Pandora replied ( to me ):
> > > > The richer and more educated a woman is,
> > > > the less likely she is to bear children.
> > > 
> > > Not necessarily.
> > 
> > Yes, necessarily.
> 
> Nope.  I notice you snipped my evidence
> ( admittedly anecdotal )...

I sure as hell did,
and I replaced it with:

  https://www.statista.com/statistics/1033027/fertility-rate-us-1800-2020/
  http://Jeff-Relf.Me/Global.Fertility.Rates.PNG

> [ your links indicate ] that educated women
> have fewer children -- not necessarily none.

Please don't play dumb;
"Less likely to bear children" means:

  Fewer children per woman per lifetime.

The richer and more educated a woman is,
the less likely she is to bear children.

> > Trusting a woman is like building a mansion on 
> > a shifting sand dune -- blown by the winds of 
> > information, oil, drugs, and money.
> 
> Ah, one of those are you ?  Got it.

One what ?!  I'm oil, drugs and/or money ?!

Calm down.
No one is being insulted.
■
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.24--9.22am.Seattle.2020
    Pandora│pandora@peak_org  cuu9jo.n3c.19.1@news.alt.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.24--3.00pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m1 Shifty; 3 Minutes, Pan, Θ,  Feb 24 {  2:52pm, 2020 }: 6  Xკɬϴ
      Can you dispute these reports ?

Pandora replied ( to me ):
> > The richer and more educated a woman is,
> > the less likely she is to bear children.
> 
> Not necessarily.

Yes, necessarily.

Unless you can dispute these reports:

  https://www.statista.com/statistics/1033027/fertility-rate-us-1800-2020/
  http://Jeff-Relf.Me/Global.Fertility.Rates.PNG

Trusting a woman is like building a mansion on 
a shifting sand dune -- blown by the winds of 
information, oil, drugs, and money.
■
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.24--9.22am.Seattle.2020
    MsNadegda  r31chr$hsb$25@dont-email.me
JeffRelf    Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.24--1.17pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
  ╳ m43 Top; 1.6 Hours, X.HTM, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Feb 24 {  1:17pm, 2020 }:29^(Seattle)  Xკɜთ
The United Nations needs your updates/corrections.

MsNadegda replied ( to me ):
> > The richer and more educated a woman is,
> > the less likely she is to bear children.
> 
> Weird misogynist claptrap.
> The cause of your woes is not women.

You're the one with all the "woes", not me.

Fact:

  https://www.statista.com/statistics/1033027/fertility-rate-us-1800-2020/
  http://Jeff-Relf.Me/Global.Fertility.Rates.PNG

If we're wrong, please let us know !
The United Nations needs your updates/corrections.

Trusting a woman is like building a mansion on 
a shifting sand dune -- blown by the winds of 
information, oil, drugs, and money.

> > He'd ban gig workers, like me,
> > because we outperform unions.
> > [ see: California AB5 ]
> > Not everyone wants to earn enough money to support a wife and kids --
> > just because Bernie thinks we should
> > ( to the chagrin of the planet ).
> 
> Everyone wants to earn enough money to support themselves.

No more carbon taxes then, right ?

What would the increased population, 
due Bernie's larger families,
do to the planet ?

Bernie is 78 years old;
he hasn't updated his "software" recently, I suspect.
■
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.24--9.22am.Seattle.2020
      Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  r31263$dm2$2@gioia.aioe.org
    MsNadegda  r31cpd$hsb$26@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.24--1.45pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m45 Dropped; 43.6 Minutes, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Feb 24 {   :47pm, 2020 }:41  Xკɗუ
      Hitler liked blondes.

MsNadegda replied ( to Sergio ):
> > in a socialist society, the Gov tells you what to do,
> 
> There are other ways to have a socialist society besides
> a Soviet-style, top-down, centralized command economy.

Like you, Hitler was fond of "Nordic socialism";
i.e. he liked blondes.

Singapore has the best healthcare system in the world,
bar none, and it's very multicultural.

Problem is, they aren't always as smart as they seem.

They ask women to have 4 kids, yet it's not happening;
-- their Muslim neighbors are out-breeding them.
■
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.24--9.22am.Seattle.2020
      AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  r314s6$m3i$2@dont-email.me
    MsNadegda  r31csq$hsb$27@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.24--1.28pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m4 Dropped; 30.4 Minutes, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Feb 24 {   :49pm, 2020 }:30  Xკɘɚ
      Let's reduce regulations too !

MsNadegda posted:
https://www.newscientist.com/article/2193136-universal-income-study-finds-money-for-nothing-wont-make-us-work-less/

If you're super poor, UBI is a negative income tax.

To the working poor, it's a huge tax break.

Why stop there ?

Let's reduce regulations too !
■
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.23--2.22pm.Seattle.2020
      AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  r3148g$iq1$2@dont-email.me
    Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  r316ka$11tj$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.24--11.56am.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 6  m215 Mad; 39.4 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win7, Aioe.ORG,  Feb 24 { 11: 2am, 2020 }:35^(-6)  Xკȼʛ
      Billie Eilish for president, 2020 !

Sergio mentioned:
> Bernie is 78, Bloomberg is 78, 
> Sleepy Joe is 77, Trump is 74.

Billie Eilish for president, 2020 !
■
Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.24--9.22am.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
      Because Bernie thinks we should.

Bernie benefits union workers 
to the exclusion of everyone else.

He'd ban gig workers, like me, 
because we outperform unions. 
[ see: California AB5 ]

Not everyone wants to earn enough money 
to support a wife and kids -- 
just because Bernie thinks we should
( to the chagrin of the planet ).

The richer and more educated a woman is,
the less likely she is to bear children.
■
Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.23--2.22pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
      -Only- absolute poverty has meaning.

Bernie Sanders only cares about unions;
and unions are dying out.

Bernie is boring.
Detroit is a failure, not worthy of praise.

Relative poverty is meaningless;
-only- absolute poverty has meaning.

Many -choose- poverty for this very reason;
so they can feel alive.

As horrific as it is, living in a tent,
and having your blankets stolen every night,
stealing from your love ones ( for drugs ),
and subjecting yourself to horrendous poisons,
many find it preferable to working at McDonald's.

Young, healthy -kids- like the thrill.

Unlike Los Angeles, San Francisco and Seattle,
New York City actually takes care of its poorest.

For this reason, I'd like to see Bloomberg address
the issue nationwide.

If everyone is talking about Bloomberg,
how the rich are getting richer,
and the poor are getting poorer,
with the government solidly behind it all...

then Bernie will have been ignored,
and Bloomberg will get elected.
■
Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.19--7.03am.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
      Nurture Over Nature.

Jeff Bezos and Steve Jobs owe their success
to their adoptive parents; nurture over nature.

Bezos proved, beyond any doubt, that Democrats,
like AOC, are job/innovation destroyers.

If you want to be like Detroit, Seattle,
AOC is showing you the way.
■
      carleto4157990662@gmail_com  cf91a7b1-3d24-48b4-b188-afa7a1614c26@googlegroups.com
    Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  ham963F134oU1@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.14--1.23am.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m16 Top; 8.3 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win7, Individual.NET,  Feb 13 {  4:50pm, 2020 }:11^(11)  Xგ8ʃ
      People's immune systems.

Viruses are everywhere, all the time;
what varies is people's immune systems.

China is handling the virus quite well,
relatively speaking.

"Swine flu", first seen in Mexico, April 2009,
officially ended August 2010.

Up to 1.4 billion people might've contracted it;
up to 575,000 people may have died from it.
■
              Baxter│bax02_spamblock@baxcode_  r1o4ic$1k6s$2@gioia.aioe.org
            max_headroom│maximusheadroom  r1odcv$one$4@dont-email.me
          Creme_Fraiche│cafe@lat_te  r1q80m$vtg$1@gioia.aioe.org
        Al_Czervik│Caddyshack_Al@gmail_  r1qlsp$q7$1@dont-email.me
      Baxter│bax02_spamblock@baxcode_  r1rqv5$918$1@gioia.aioe.org
    Al_Czervik│Caddyshack_Al@gmail_  r1rrtt$9l6$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.10--7.45am.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate, OR.Politics, TX.Guns
    ╳ 1  m78 Cool; 18.9 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Feb 10 {  7:12am, 2020 }:59^(-8)  XяОx
      Seattle is suicidal.

Union membership is dwindling;
mostly, it's confined to government "jobs".

Bernie Sanders puts unions first, 
before everyone else.

He only cares about "relative poverty",
a.k.a. jealousy;
absolute poverty doesn't interest him.

Seattle puts young, professional scofflaws 
before everyone else.

Basically, the city is trying to kill itself.
■
              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--3.10pm.Seattle.2020
            Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  7e743fdtdgkb22k746d16jia91t6pnamem@4ax.com
          Checkmate│More_Bull_Schiff  ctaoqm.geq.17.7@news.alt.net
        Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  29pl3fdh4h4luh359f4cll1svm75b0jths@4ax.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.5--1.09pm.Seattle.2020
    SteveCarroll  ad85da12-f17c-4993-a492-32f69af2cf78@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.6--1.15am.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m316 Dropped; 11.8 Hours, GoogleG,  Feb  5 {  1:15pm, 2020 }:29^(PST)  Xьνκ
      Frat boys are lunatics.

Steve Carroll replied ( to me ):
> > The richest kids in the state are here, with me.
> 
> Lodged in between the [ Vittles Vault ] and 
> the knife wielding lunatic ?

I'm not the only one who thinks frat boys are lunatics.

They're super-horny, super-crunk, and undisciplined.

Go to the following page and search for "fraternities":
https://www.trulia.com/rental/4075013069-4547-19th-Ave-NE-Seattle-WA-98105?rd=1
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--3.10pm.Seattle.2020
            Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  7e743fdtdgkb22k746d16jia91t6pnamem@4ax.com
          Checkmate│More_Bull_Schiff  ctaoqm.geq.17.7@news.alt.net
        Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  29pl3fdh4h4luh359f4cll1svm75b0jths@4ax.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.5--1.09pm.Seattle.2020
    Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  i5cm3fpn51ab8og7046smm25cq4dqunqmf@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.5--10.42pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 3  m18 Cool; 9.2 Hours, F_Agent, Alt.NET,  Feb  5 {  1:17pm, 2020 }:15^(-5)  Xьνщ
      They need to be "fixed" and trained.

Hømer replied ( to me ):
> > The richest kids in the state are here, with me.
> 
> That shouldn't be blighted property.
> 
> Those frats and sororities have money and
> they're usually peopled by rich brats.

They're the worst, trust me.

Too much testosterone, too much estrogen,
too much beer/drugs, not enough training.

They need to be "fixed"[*] and trained.
[ *: vasectomies ]
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              Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  4g143f92kgp66cb2bs739h39e6mm2d3vpi@4ax.com
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--3.10pm.Seattle.2020
          Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  7e743fdtdgkb22k746d16jia91t6pnamem@4ax.com
        Checkmate│More_Bull_Schiff  ctaoqm.geq.17.7@news.alt.net
      Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  29pl3fdh4h4luh359f4cll1svm75b0jths@4ax.com
    Checkmate│More_Bull_Schiff  ctbtmm.l14.19.4@news.alt.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.5--10.26pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 1  m2 Shifty; 19.5 Minutes, MicroPlanet, Alt.NET,  Feb  5 {   :22pm, 2020 }:11^(-8)  XьδϹ
      Looking for love in all the wrong places.

Checkmate recorded:
> I honestly don't know what we can do with people 
> who are content to lay in their own filth and 
> inject unknown substances bought from shady 
> merchants of destruction.  
> 
> They're certainly not employable.

It's kids, looking for love in all the wrong places.

Working at McDonald's doesn't impress the girls;
and giving them drugs gets you laid.

Honestly, it feels like 2008 all over again.

Negative risk premiums are absurd;
an inverted yield curve is absurd.

Everyone should be in cash,
the economy should sink.
■
              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--2.15pm.Seattle.2020
            Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  4g143f92kgp66cb2bs739h39e6mm2d3vpi@4ax.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--3.10pm.Seattle.2020
        Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  7e743fdtdgkb22k746d16jia91t6pnamem@4ax.com
      Checkmate│More_Bull_Schiff  ctaoqm.geq.17.7@news.alt.net
    Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  29pl3fdh4h4luh359f4cll1svm75b0jths@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.5--1.09pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 1  m15 Shifty; 4.8 Hours, F_Agent, Alt.NET,  Feb  5 {  7:56am, 2020 }: 9^(-5)  Xьʟʁ
      The richest kids in the state are here, with me.

Hømer wrote:
> If the neighborhood is too blighted the 
> prosperous folks won't come and
> the blight will only increase.

It's frat row.  Fraternity brothers and
sorority sisters are my neighbors.

We're immediately north of campus.

The richest kids in the state are here, with me.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--0.26pm.Seattle.2020
            Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  d2r33fpntf6i7c66q5l3kqlffo0mc9th4g@4ax.com
          MrChrisV  8tr33f1e0qev19g54fntk4h49p84r1c16h@4ax.com
        Scooter│Scoot@invalid_invalid  lo663f1s787ukbs59s58862he935hi5ltu@4ax.com
      Al_Czervik│Caddyshack_Al@gmail_  r147i5$g3v$3@dont-email.me
    MrChrisV  lmag3fdiboc9pchv3mr7c2eej6dhu69h85@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.3--2.18pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 1  m147 Dropped; 6.4 Hours, F_Agent, HighWinds➤Fastusenet.ORG,  Feb  3 {  6:27am, 2020 }:48^(-6)  XыOϓ
      A 3 car garage in the middle of the Amazon.

Mr. ChrisV replied ( to me ):
> > The 4-bedroom, 1½ bath, no garage, 
> > (almost) no street parking, home I grew up in,
> > a few blocks north of me, sells for 1.125 million $.
> 
> I live in a nice house with a 3-car garage.

A 3 car garage in the middle of the (flooded) Amazon
is worth zero dollars, if not less.

San Francisco and Seattle are _extremely_ tolerant
when it comes to drugs and crime.

Still, no one would call them "slums";
quite the opposite,
we pay the highest rents in the world.
■
              a425couple│a425couple@hotmail_  r11sn632idj@news2.newsguy.com
            George│gblack@hnpl_net  20200202083916.00001ca0@hnpl.net
          Byker│byker@do~rag_net  btKdnW-LHdrRdajDnZ2dnUU7-R_NnZ2d@supernews.com
        Baxter│bax02_spamblock@baxcode_  r15kcq$1bg8$1@gioia.aioe.org
      a425couple│a425couple@hotmail_  r16v9f0sbn@news1.newsguy.com
    Baxter│bax02_spamblock@baxcode_  r188uk$174v$2@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.2--10.15pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, OR.Politics
    ╱ 1  m21 Cool; 33.9 Minutes, Xnews, Aioe.ORG,  Feb  2 {  8:52pm, 2020 }:36  XъЮТ
      The state of the economy/family, Seattle.

Re: The state of the economy/family, Seattle. 

The minute rates go up,
the stock market will crash, big time,
and a recession will ensue.

If rates stay near zero, decade-after-decade,
with microscopic risk premiums, like in Japan, 
then a "growing economy" will become a distant memory.
       ---
Things are different today;
traditional families no longer make sense.

Perhaps you have a kind, loving, dedicated wife
who'd do anything for you -- congratulations.

All that could change in a New York minute;
especially if she's financially independent,
and well educated.  Jeff Bezos knows.

If you have kids, you'll pay the price, big time;
and it'll be YOUR FAULT for having built your "house"
on the side of a shifting sand dune.
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              .  csstk3.mhg.17.4@news.alt.net
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.30--8.14pm.Seattle.2020
          ScottDoty  h9irubFgu01U3@mid.individual.net
        Al_Czervik│Caddyshack_Al@gmail_  r148g7$qdd$1@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.1--10.55am.Seattle.2020
    Al_Czervik│Caddyshack_Al@gmail_  r16t3m$aq2$2@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.2--0.16pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 7  m35 Cool; 53.4 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Feb  2 {  8:24am, 2020 }:22^(-8)  XъʤM
      Banks are going to become landlords.

Al Czervik replied ( to me ):
> > To lower rents,
> > Seattle is transforming into Bangladesh.
> > And it's working.
> 
> I don't see rents lowering in Seattle.
> I do see [ it transforming into ] Bangladesh.

You're right, possibly because mom-and-pop landlords
are being killed off, and the Fed is pouring money
into zombie corporations like there's no tomorrow.

But "tomorrow" will come and, when it does,
banks are going to become landlords, big-time.

"Seattle.Curbed.COM", Sep 21 2018:

  [ in Seattle proper ] Median rent decreased 
  a full 4.5 percent within the city limits.
          ...
  ApartmentList found a 2.4 year-over-year 
  decrease [ within Seattle ]

"SeattleTimes.COM", July 29, 2019:

  Data from RealPage shows that the number of 
  newly occupied, or “absorbed,” rental units
  during the first half of 2018 was down 19% 
  from the same period in 2017.

  That echoes census data showing that, in 2018,
  [...] more people left King County than 
  moved here from within in the U.S.
■
              max_headroom│maximusheadroom  r105fl$fas$2@dont-email.me
            MichaelGlasser  h9hkn3FapbkU1@mid.individual.net
          max_headroom│maximusheadroom  r10c4c$bpc$2@dont-email.me
        Scooter│Scoot@invalid_invalid  p6i83ftl9o8qmubt50g7rsmk9pvqhn5j88@4ax.com
      MichaelGlasser  h9j0l6Fjih3U4@mid.individual.net
    Al_Czervik│Caddyshack_Al@gmail_  r148nf$qdd$2@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.1--11.09am.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 5  m29 Cool; 2.2 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Feb  1 {  8:24am, 2020 }:17^(-8)  XщЪH
      Don't call Michael Glasser a racist/fascist.

Al Czervik asked "Snit" ( Michael Glasser ):
> Do you think "real socialism" is bad ?

Mike likes "Nordic socialism".

Darker-Skin socialism always fails because 
it wasn't "true socialism".

Don't call him a racist/fascist,
by the way, he doesn't like that.
■
              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--6.38pm.Seattle.2020
            AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  r0v06p$r22$2@dont-email.me
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.30--9.08am.Seattle.2020
        AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  r0v82h$fir$1@dont-email.me
      Al_Czervik│Caddyshack_Al@gmail_  r147lk$g3v$4@dont-email.me
    AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  r149i8$ukm$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.1--11.00am.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 1  m15 Shifty; 1.9 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Feb  1 {  8:38am, 2020 }:33^(-7)  XщЬʙ
      YellowStone never has earthquakes.

"AnonLinuxUser" wrote:
> I choose eastern Montana.
> Bainbridge Island shifted up 18 feet 
> during the last major earthquake.

Great, YellowStone never has earthquakes.
■
              .  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.28--8.55pm.Seattle.2020
            .  h4933fh860ekucoqoq4vtlahn5ld1h1jc4@4ax.com
          .  csstk3.mhg.17.4@news.alt.net
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.30--8.14pm.Seattle.2020
      ScottDoty  h9irubFgu01U3@mid.individual.net
    Al_Czervik│Caddyshack_Al@gmail_  r148g7$qdd$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.1--10.55am.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 6  m29 Cool; 2.2 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Feb  1 {  8:20am, 2020 }:24^(-8)  XщЩʐ
      Seattle is transforming into Bangladesh.

Al Czervik replied ( to Scott Doty ):
> > Remember "Hoovervilles"?
> 
> Good grief, how old are you? 
> 25% unemployment will do that.
> 
> > We have a "Trumpville" just outside of town here.
> 
> What was it called during Obama 
> ( average unemployment 7.4% ) ?  Trump has 
> enjoyed an average unemployment of 4%.

Despite the low unemployment numbers,
Trumpvilles exceed Hoovervilles in both size and extent.

To lower rents,
Seattle is transforming into Bangladesh.

And it's working.
■
              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.30--9.08am.Seattle.2020
            AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  r0v82h$fir$1@dont-email.me
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.30--0.20pm.Seattle.2020
        ScottDoty  h9i9j7FeekrU4@mid.individual.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.31--11.35am.Seattle.2020
    Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  ji093fpobjd53fr4p2jlukg4rgvm0saq9s@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.31--0.12pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m11 Shifty; 25 Minutes, F_Agent, Alt.NET,  Jan 31 { 11:39am, 2020 }:52^(-5)  XщɄϘ
      EBT SNAP -- The government owns everything.

Hømer replied ( to me ):
> > The government owns everything.
> > Food stamps ( EBT SNAP ), 194$/month, covers food.
> 
> Lazy bum! Welfare cheat. Asshole! Get a fucking JOB!

They're willing to give it;
I'm willing to receive it.
■
            .  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.28--8.55pm.Seattle.2020
          .  h4933fh860ekucoqoq4vtlahn5ld1h1jc4@4ax.com
        .  csstk3.mhg.17.4@news.alt.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.30--8.14pm.Seattle.2020
    ScottDoty  h9irubFgu01U3@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.31--11.58am.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 1  m3 Shifty; 4.5 Hours, Pan, Individual.NET,  Jan 31 {  6:29am, 2020 }:31  XщOკ
      I'm in charge of the insane asylum.

Scott Doty asked me:
> Remember "Hoovervilles"?
> We have a "Trumpville" just outside of town here.

They're everywhere, including Canada;
it makes one long for the Hooverville days.

> Sounds like Seattle needs to get serious about
> some new programs for the homeless and the working poor.

So far, they've managed to pass the buck,
making it my problem, not theirs, lowering rents;
I'm in charge of the insane asylum.
■
              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--6.38pm.Seattle.2020
            AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  r0v06p$r22$2@dont-email.me
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.30--9.08am.Seattle.2020
        AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  r0v82h$fir$1@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.30--0.20pm.Seattle.2020
    ScottDoty  h9i9j7FeekrU4@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.31--11.35am.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m3 Shifty; 9.7 Hours, Pan, Individual.NET,  Jan 31 {  1:16am, 2020 }:23  XшლЕ
      The government owns everything.

Scott Doty asked me:
> why don't you have your own house ?
> Did 2008 hit you hard or something ?

"Owning"[*] a home only makes sense if you're 
tied to the ol' ball and chain.
[ *: in truth, the government owns everything ]

I (semi)retired early 1988, age 28, 
after my ex dumped me, taking the kids with her.

Since then, my expenses have been minimal.

I spend about 3 thousand $ per year,
mostly on the house I manage, in lieu of rent.

I've gone 30+ years without spending money on Doctors.

Food stamps ( EBT SNAP ), 194$/month, covers food.

This mouse costs 28$:

  http://Jeff-Relf.Me/MouseKeyboardLayout.PNG
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              Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  vor33ft0ft3uqtu2faal220bfvhg0730ur@4ax.com
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--2.15pm.Seattle.2020
          Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  4g143f92kgp66cb2bs739h39e6mm2d3vpi@4ax.com
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--3.10pm.Seattle.2020
      AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  r0t8ug$7p3$4@dont-email.me
    ScottDoty  h9i87qFeekrU1@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.31--11.10am.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 3  m3 Shifty; 10.1 Hours, Pan, Individual.NET,  Jan 31 {   :53am, 2020 }:15  Xшზщ
      Seattle is transforming into the Rust Belt.

Scott Doty told me:
> you should totally live in the rust belt.

Seattle is transforming into the Rust Belt; 
so I don't have to go there.

Eventually, rent will be super-affordable.
■
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.28--8.55pm.Seattle.2020
      Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  h4933fh860ekucoqoq4vtlahn5ld1h1jc4@4ax.com
    Checkmate│More_Bull_Schiff  csstk3.mhg.17.4@news.alt.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.30--8.14pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 6  m38 Cool; 13.3 Minutes, MicroPlanet, Alt.NET,  Jan 30 {  7:48pm, 2020 }:48^(-8)  XшФm
      Transforming Seattle into Detroitt.

Checkmate wrote:
> Crime is almost legal now on the 
> West Coast and in NYC.

Effectively, Yes.

> I sure as hell wouldn't rent property 
> to an Ethiopian tar baby with a knife.

Seattle successfully lowered rents,
and housed some homeless people;
but, to do it, they severely lowered 
our quality-of-life, forcing us to put up 
with these nut cases, on the cheap.

Once they're done transforming Seattle into Detroit,
rent will be extremely cheap,
and everyone will have (crappy) housing.
■
              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--1.34pm.Seattle.2020
            AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  r0t8md$7p3$3@dont-email.me
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--6.38pm.Seattle.2020
        AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  r0v06p$r22$2@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.30--9.08am.Seattle.2020
    AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  r0v82h$fir$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.30--0.20pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╳ 3  m13 Shifty; 1.3 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jan 30 { 10:42am, 2020 }:26^(-7)  XшΜQ
      "my" 1.125 million $ house will be worth 50 cents.

"AnonLinuxUser" replied ( to me ):
> > When a government fails,
> > the Mafia picks up the slack.
> 
> Which reduces to anarchism.

Anarchists are "a dime a dozen" in these parts.

Governments don't always get it right;
only time will tell who was right, 
them or me.

When it's me, as it usually[*] is,
it verifies my model.  [ *: not always ]

> Seattle area is overdue for the big one.

In Tokyo, they have small earthquakes every day;
occasionally, it kills thousands of people.
Seattle is nothing like that, not at all.

> I wouldn't rely on the area for safety or comfort, 
> as the socialists are slowly removing that aspect
> from the populace.

Since the start of 2018,
Seattle has implemented a slew of laws that have
successfully reduced rents in the area.

Once Seattle becomes Detroit,
"my" 1.125 million $ house will be worth 50 cents.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--3.10pm.Seattle.2020
            AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  r0t8ug$7p3$4@dont-email.me
          MichaelGlasser  h9enmdFmrjdU1@mid.individual.net
        AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  r0tau8$iar$2@dont-email.me
      MichaelGlasser  h9ephiFn6v5U1@mid.individual.net
    AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  r0v0cm$r22$4@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.30--9.39am.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 1  m10 Shifty; 51 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jan 30 {  8:31am, 2020 }:20^(-7)  Xшʥɐ
      Tall, blonde, blue-eyed Nordic women.

Michael Glasser (Snit) likes 
tall, blonde, blue-eyed Nordic women.

Glance at PornHub,
and you'll see that he's not alone.

Labeling these women "true socialists" is 
his attempt to seem less Hitleresque, less racist.

In his version of "reality",
darker-skinned people can't be -real- "socialists".

Reality has never been a friend of his.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--2.15pm.Seattle.2020
            Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  4g143f92kgp66cb2bs739h39e6mm2d3vpi@4ax.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--3.10pm.Seattle.2020
        Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  7e743fdtdgkb22k746d16jia91t6pnamem@4ax.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--6.14pm.Seattle.2020
    AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  r0v09g$r22$3@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.30--9.19am.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 1  m9 Shifty; 17 Secs, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jan 30 {  8:29am, 2020 }:38^(-7)  Xшʤრ
      I can deal with it.

"AnonLinuxUser" replied ( to me ):
> > Rents went up 68% from 2010 to 2017.
> > Seattle must change course;
> > right now, it's trying to become Detroit.
> 
> Isn't the water in the pot you are sitting in
> getting hot enough yet ?

I'm a grown-ass man, not a frog;
I can deal with it.

I like it when governments fuck up;
otherwise, I couldn't say that I was 
"smarter than the average bear".
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--0.26pm.Seattle.2020
            Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  d2r33fpntf6i7c66q5l3kqlffo0mc9th4g@4ax.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--1.34pm.Seattle.2020
        AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  r0t8md$7p3$3@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--6.38pm.Seattle.2020
    AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  r0v06p$r22$2@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.30--9.08am.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 2  m9 Shifty; 1.8 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jan 30 {  8:28am, 2020 }:11^(-7)  XшʤϹ
      When a government fails, the Mafia picks up the slack.

"AnonLinuxUser" replied ( to me ):
> > The weather is mild and cloudy year-round,
> > like England, where my ancestors are from.
> > For that reason alone, I'm staying.
> 
> Then enjoy the ride.

I'm 60 years old, born into North Seattle.

I've seen it all, the good and the bad.
 
All my grandparents were born in Seattle.
My ancestors were the first white people 
to arrive in this area.

<r0v049$r22$1@dont-email.me>:
> Now do you recognize why socialism sucks ?

When did I say otherwise ?

When a government fails,
the Mafia picks up the slack.
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              .  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.28--8.55pm.Seattle.2020
            .  h4933fh860ekucoqoq4vtlahn5ld1h1jc4@4ax.com
          .  o7a33f1eu5h0jtn10bad8qmgledvb4dej5@4ax.com
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--0.26pm.Seattle.2020
      Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  d2r33fpntf6i7c66q5l3kqlffo0mc9th4g@4ax.com
    MrChrisV  8tr33f1e0qev19g54fntk4h49p84r1c16h@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.30--8.53am.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 1  m1 Dropped; 3.4 Hours, F_Agent, HighWinds➤Fastusenet.ORG,  Jan 30 {  5: 3am, 2020 }:10^(-6)  XшʂΟ
      Location, Location, Location.

Mr. ChrisV replied ( to me ):
> > > The 4-bedroom, 1½ bath, home I grew up in,
> > > a few blocks north of me, sells for 1.125 million $.
> 
> I live in a nice house with a 3-car garage.

Location, Location, Location.
■
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.28--8.55pm.Seattle.2020
        HughHuntzinger  6ae072d4-7f10-427b-ba6f-679c6d5250bb@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--0.00pm.Seattle.2020
    HughHuntzinger  699d5f05-4efd-4541-bf96-87ed2bfeade8@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--7.21pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 19  m86 Cool; 4.5 Hours, GoogleG, 129.139.180.135,  Jan 29 {  2:25pm, 2020 }:14^(PST)  Xчღɀ
      The judge doesn't want to know about it.

Hugh Huntzinger wrote:
> TL;DR:  see if you can think of a way to get the Charity 
> on your side .. even if it as an unwilling cash cow who
> doesn't want to spend more milk.

The only reason we've been able to take him to court,
lo these many months,
is because the charity did NOT pay all of his rent.

All the windows he broke ( big time ),
all the holes he created ( fighting ),
and the late fees, and the legal fees, 
have to be passed to a bill collector;
the judge doesn't want to know about it.

> find the bad tenant some other (cheaper) place to live

There is no cheaper place,
unless you count the homeless shelters,
where one stares at his diseased neighbor, 
3 feet away, all night long, 
before being forced out, at 7 am.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--0.26pm.Seattle.2020
            Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  vor33ft0ft3uqtu2faal220bfvhg0730ur@4ax.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--2.15pm.Seattle.2020
        Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  4g143f92kgp66cb2bs739h39e6mm2d3vpi@4ax.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--3.10pm.Seattle.2020
    AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  r0t8ug$7p3$4@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--6.45pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 4  m6 Shifty; 1.4 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jan 29 {  4:45pm, 2020 }: 4^(-7)  Xш7Ι
      Next stop, Detroit/Havana, where the Mafia rules supreme.

"AnonLinuxUser" told me:
> That is what the marxist-socialist want.
> Poor people.

Absolutely.

Next stop, Detroit/Havana, where the Mafia rules supreme.
■
              .  h4933fh860ekucoqoq4vtlahn5ld1h1jc4@4ax.com
            .  o7a33f1eu5h0jtn10bad8qmgledvb4dej5@4ax.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--0.26pm.Seattle.2020
        Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  d2r33fpntf6i7c66q5l3kqlffo0mc9th4g@4ax.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--1.34pm.Seattle.2020
    AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  r0t8md$7p3$3@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--6.38pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 5  m6 Shifty; 1.4 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jan 29 {  4:40pm, 2020 }:45^(-7)  Xш6Ы
      The Mafia picks up the slack, as always.

"AnonLinuxUser" replied ( to me ):
> > It can't go on like this; it just can't.
> 
> Well, You can always wait until 
> the Juan De Fuca plate slips good.

Seattle doesn't have natural disasters;
no hurricanes, no tornadoes, 
no (deadly) earthquakes.

The weather is mild and cloudy year-round,
like England, where my ancestors are from.

For that reason alone, I'm staying.

The Mafia picks up the slack, as always.
■
          .  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.28--8.55pm.Seattle.2020
        .  6ae072d4-7f10-427b-ba6f-679c6d5250bb@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--0.00pm.Seattle.2020
    AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  r0t8io$7p3$2@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--6.28pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 6  m6 Shifty; 1.5 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jan 29 {  4:38pm, 2020 }:48^(-7)  Xш6ʨ
      I'm hoping the jerks will reverse course.

"AnonLinuxUser" replied ( to me ):
> > "Tenant In Perpetuity" ( seriously ).
> 
> I'd say that this is the start of 
> Seattle's socialism and what it looks like.

It's a knee-jerk reaction to rising rents,
and the gig economy.

I'm hoping the jerks will reverse course,
yet again -- they're NOT smarter than the market.

"Eviction Without Restriction" is a basic human right.
■
              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--0.26pm.Seattle.2020
            Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  vor33ft0ft3uqtu2faal220bfvhg0730ur@4ax.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--2.15pm.Seattle.2020
        Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  4g143f92kgp66cb2bs739h39e6mm2d3vpi@4ax.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--3.10pm.Seattle.2020
    Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  7e743fdtdgkb22k746d16jia91t6pnamem@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--6.14pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 2  m7 Shifty; 1.9 Hours, F_Agent, Alt.NET,  Jan 29 {  4: 9pm, 2020 }:57^(-5)  Xш1ϝ
      Seattle is trying to become Detroit.

Hømer told me:
> Fuck Seattle.  You have a right to raise rent
> in your own fucking building.

No we don't;
Democrats outlawed rent increases.

Rents went up 68% from 2010 to 2017.

Seattle must change course;
right now, it's trying to become Detroit.

It's kind of funny, I think.
■
              .  h4933fh860ekucoqoq4vtlahn5ld1h1jc4@4ax.com
            .  o7a33f1eu5h0jtn10bad8qmgledvb4dej5@4ax.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--0.26pm.Seattle.2020
        Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  vor33ft0ft3uqtu2faal220bfvhg0730ur@4ax.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--2.15pm.Seattle.2020
    Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  4g143f92kgp66cb2bs739h39e6mm2d3vpi@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--3.10pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 1  m5 Shifty; 34.1 Minutes, F_Agent, Alt.NET,  Jan 29 {  2:26pm, 2020 }:47^(-5)  Xчღʧ
      People are moving out, not in.

Hømer told me:
> Raise the rent to two grand a month. That will
> require 6000 dollars up front and will make it
> impossible for dregs to come up with the money
> even if they are subsidized. 

As it is, people are moving out, not in.

With your plan, I wouldn't have any tenants.

Besides, Seattle doesn't allow willy-nilly rent increases,
like that, far from it.
■
              .  h4933fh860ekucoqoq4vtlahn5ld1h1jc4@4ax.com
            .  o7a33f1eu5h0jtn10bad8qmgledvb4dej5@4ax.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--0.26pm.Seattle.2020
        Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  d2r33fpntf6i7c66q5l3kqlffo0mc9th4g@4ax.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--1.34pm.Seattle.2020
    Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  udv33fdn53ntvprcmq38mgfjmop39hskqj@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--2.27pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 1  m4 Shifty; 28 Minutes, F_Agent, Alt.NET,  Jan 29 {  1:53pm, 2020 }:31^(-5)  Xчრკ
      Detroit or bust.

Hømer replied ( to me ):
> Seattle will become another Detroit.

That's the goal, apparently.

Two of my tenants came from Detroit;
like it here better.
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            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.28--8.55pm.Seattle.2020
          Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  h4933fh860ekucoqoq4vtlahn5ld1h1jc4@4ax.com
        MrChrisV  o7a33f1eu5h0jtn10bad8qmgledvb4dej5@4ax.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--0.26pm.Seattle.2020
    Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  vor33ft0ft3uqtu2faal220bfvhg0730ur@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--2.15pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 14  m82 Cool; 18.8 Minutes, F_Agent, Alt.NET,  Jan 29 {   :48pm, 2020 }:14^(-5)  XчზE
      900$ deposit, 150$ move-in fee.

Hømer told me:
> Renovate that POS boarding
> house as an excuse for kicking everybody out.

Seattle no longer allows that;
when it did, landlords had to pay relocation costs.

> Require a HUGE deposit and a year-long lease. 

900$ deposit, 150$ move-in fee.

Year-long leases haven't dissuaded crappy tenants.

People no longer want to move into this house;
and I don't blame them, considering the latest laws.

So we've been forced to accept people who use
a charity to pay their move-in costs -- bad news.
■
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.28--8.55pm.Seattle.2020
          Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  h4933fh860ekucoqoq4vtlahn5ld1h1jc4@4ax.com
        MrChrisV  o7a33f1eu5h0jtn10bad8qmgledvb4dej5@4ax.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--0.26pm.Seattle.2020
    Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  d2r33fpntf6i7c66q5l3kqlffo0mc9th4g@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--1.34pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 2  m8 Cool; 31.3 Minutes, F_Agent, Alt.NET,  Jan 29 {   :35pm, 2020 }:26^(-5)  Xчდე
      It can't go on like this; it just can't.

Hømer replied ( to me ):
> > The 4-bedroom, 1½ bath, home I grew up in,
> > a few blocks north of me, sells for 1.125 million $.
> > If that's a slum, tell me about your place.
> 
> You falsely believe quality of life is somehow
> related to a selling price ?  What a fool !

Life was damn good, before they passed all these 
crazy "pro-tenant" laws; ironically, 
it's the tenants who suffer the most.

The "pro-worker", high minimum-wage laws
remove the lower rungs of the ladder.

(Government) Unions simply don't like the competition,
that's all, and Seattle simply refuses to take on 
the nut cases that I (now) have to deal with.

It can't go on like this; it just can't.
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          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.28--8.55pm.Seattle.2020
        HughHuntzinger  6ae072d4-7f10-427b-ba6f-679c6d5250bb@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--0.00pm.Seattle.2020
    Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  iip33fdg37asvskdou72jaa80jo99d98ok@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--1.13pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 3  m8 Cool; 55.7 Minutes, F_Agent, Alt.NET,  Jan 29 {   :11pm, 2020 }: 2^(-5)  Xчям
      I want to see the fools hang themselves.

Hømer replied ( to me ):
> > "Tenant In Perpetuity" ( seriously ).
> 
> Stop your whining and 
> just get the fuck out of there.
> 
> Isn't it about time you
> put yourself in a position to not be
> a babysitter of societal dregs ?

No, I want to see the fools hang themselves.
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      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.28--8.55pm.Seattle.2020
    a425couple│a425couple@hotmail_  r0sdk6023nr@news1.newsguy.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--0.40pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 1  m1 Shifty; 2.8 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Newsguy.COM➤NewsGuy.COM, Newsdawg.COM,  Jan 29 {  8:58am, 2020 }:48^(-8)  XчЯЮ
      The Oregon Trail will rise again.

"a425couple" replied ( to me ):
> > Seattle does everything in its power
> > to make sure the problem belongs to us,
> > so it doesn't have to deal with it.
> 
> Sounds about right.
> That's why I sold every rental I had in Seattle.

If this keeps up, the Oregon Trail will rise again,
going in the opposite direction.
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      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.28--8.55pm.Seattle.2020
    Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  r0sc0k$1q75$2@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--0.35pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 1  m3 Cool; 3.3 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win7, Aioe.ORG,  Jan 29 {  8:31am, 2020 }:15^(-6)  XчЫɁ
      "Eviction Without Restriction" is a basic human right.

Sergio replied ( to me ):
> I knew a guy that had to get rid of a no load roomate,
> so he made up an eviction notice ( looked like 
> it was from the city ) and pasted it to the front door,
> 
> the guy did find another place

If only.

My tenants won't leave until the sheriff 
drags them out, kicking and screaming.

Some of them were jailed too 
( for priors, I assume ),
because they refused to leave.

In Seattle, we have to hold all of their crap,
every bit of it, for 30 days,
in case they want to retrieve some of it.
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        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.28--8.55pm.Seattle.2020
      Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  h4933fh860ekucoqoq4vtlahn5ld1h1jc4@4ax.com
    MrChrisV  o7a33f1eu5h0jtn10bad8qmgledvb4dej5@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--0.26pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 1  m133 Dropped; 3.9 Hours, F_Agent, HighWinds➤Fastusenet.ORG,  Jan 29 {  7:53am, 2020 }:45^(-6)  XчФყ
      The north side of the University of Washington.

Mr. ChrisV replied ( to me ):
> > > He buys and sells stolen goods;
> > > he smokes crack and meth.
> > > 
> > > Drug dealers come and go constantly;
> > > my room vibrates at 4 a.m., 
> > > as if a dance bar were next door.
> 
> You see, Relf, getting out of the slums 
> is why most of us choose to work regular jobs.

The north side of the University of Washington
is less than a block from me, at the end of the block.

I live in North East Seattle, between campus 
and Ravenna Park, West of the University Village,
East of "the Ave" -- prime real estate.

The 4-bedroom, 1½ bath, home I grew up in,
a few blocks north of me, sells for 1.125 million $.

If that's a slum, tell me about your place.
■
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.28--8.55pm.Seattle.2020
    Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  h4933fh860ekucoqoq4vtlahn5ld1h1jc4@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--0.11pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 2  m5 Cool; 4.3 Hours, F_Agent, Alt.NET,  Jan 29 {  7:29am, 2020 }:15^(-5)  XчРщ
      "Get a Hold of Yourself" -- Airplane! (1980).

Hømer replied ( to me ):
> > Basically, Seattle does everything in its power
> > to make sure the problem belongs to us,
> > so it doesn't have to deal with it.
> 
> You should contract with the mob for a 
> hit man who would break a leg or two
> and tell the asshole the next time 
> it will be his neck.

Only the Mafia can handle this situation,
and it will.

He's been beat up several times 
( for sexually attacking women ).

It's like that "Get a Hold of Yourself" scene
from "Airplane! (1980)", where people are 
lined up to beat the woman.

He enjoys the attention, I think.
■
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.28--8.55pm.Seattle.2020
    HughHuntzinger  6ae072d4-7f10-427b-ba6f-679c6d5250bb@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.29--0.00pm.Seattle.2020
  Seattle.Politics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 18  m84 Cool; 7.7 Hours, GoogleG, 173.70.116.6,  Jan 29 {  4: 3am, 2020 }: 6^(PST)  XчϠΛ
      "Tenant In Perpetuity" ( seriously ).

Hugh Huntzinger replied ( to me ):
> > We've been trying to evict him for months;
> > he's extremely defiant.
> >  
> > Catholic charities pay his rent;
> > the city provides him with lawyers.
> > Meanwhile, better tenants move(d) out...
> 
> Figure out a legal way to charge the damages 
> to his rent, and start billing the Charity.

Eviction for bad behavior, and/or not paying 
for " damages and/or fees ", is nearly impossible.

At most, we can pass it off to a bill collector;
it doesn't come into play in eviction court.

A slew of new laws, like that,
have made our lives miserable recently.

I'm not allowed to know/consider a potential tenant's
criminal history, for example.

Like it or not, leases transition to month-to-month,
a.k.a. "Tenant In Perpetuity" ( seriously ).

  Imagine if you were chained to a lovely lady;
  sooner or later, you'd get sick of it.
  Hence, "no-fault" divorce.

  For similar reasons ( up until recently )
  either party could terminate a rental agreement.

  Basically, Seattle does everything in its power
  to make sure the problem belongs to us,
  so it doesn't have to deal with it.
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.28--8.55pm.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
      "Eviction Without Restriction" is a basic human right.

The eviction sheriff knows me well;
ditto for policemen and repairmen.

A young UW student tenant of mine
got pepper-sprayed when he asked 
a fellow tenant ( fresh from Ethiopia )
to turn his music down, Sunday night.

When I confronted him about it,
he pulled a knife on me.

The police are useless, in this case,
because " it's a civil matter ";
had I called them, 
they would've shown up 3 days later.

Also, he broke ( yet another ) window
3 days after I fixed it.

He buys and sells stolen goods;
he smokes crack and meth.

Drug dealers come and go constantly;
my room vibrates at 4 a.m., 
as if a dance bar were next door.

We've been trying to evict him for months;
he's extremely defiant.
 
Catholic charities pay his rent;
the city provides him with lawyers.
Meanwhile, better tenants moved out.

Once, one of his homeless friends
spit in the landlord's face.

The landlord called 911, 
reporting the attack;
they never showed up.

Imagine if you were chained to a lovely lady;
sooner or later, you'd get sick of it.
Hence, "no-fault" divorce.

For similar reasons ( up until recently )
either party could terminate a rental agreement.

Basically, Seattle does everything in its power
to make sure the problem belongs to us,
so it doesn't have to deal with it.
■
          James_McGinn│jimmcginn9@gmail_  6b2d5666-30ad-45f5-aa26-1d663cbed732@googlegroups.com
        Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  h917oiFs6fmU1@mid.individual.net
      James_McGinn│jimmcginn9@gmail_  7b446bed-4bcb-4614-8e86-757c081841ef@googlegroups.com
    Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  h91kccF4ciU1@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.25--6.31am.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics
    +Top, 12.7 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win7, Individual.NET,  Jan 24 {  5:36pm, 2020 }:12^(11)  XфϾC
      McGinn hates: science, nature, people, reality, etc.

Sylvia Else replied ( to James McGinn ):
> > This forum draws stupidity like shit draws flies.
> > [ Simple Experiment Proves Moist Air 
> >   is Heavier ( not lighter ) Than Dry Air ]
> 
> I take it then that it is just a description of 
> an experiment that could be done, 
> not a video of one that has been done.

McGinn hates: science, nature, people, reality, etc.

In fact, the only things he likes are food, sex,
money, and his reflection in the mirror.
■
    JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.20--7.23am.Seattle.2020
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.20--10.05am.Seattle.2020
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m1 Top; 2.5 Hours, X.HTM, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Jan 20 {  7:23am, 2020 }:58^(Seattle)  XсПჴ
      The solution -- Re: "wsappx" is consuming 5% of my CPU.

I wrote:
> I ran "Windows 10 November 2019 Update  .EXE";
> now "wsappx" is consuming 5% of my CPU
> and it's periodically turns my mouse cursor into an hourglass.

The solution:

  ;  Stop the "Windows Store" (wsappx) busy CPU/Disk madness !!
  ; --  Merge and ReBoot.
  [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\AppXSVC]
  "Start"=dword:4
  [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\ClipSVC]
  "Start"=dword:4
  [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\WSService]
  "Start"=dword:4
  [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\StateRepository]
  "Start"=dword:4

At "Windows Update and Security -> Advanced Options" 
I turned off "Allow downloads from other PCs".

Also:

;  ReGain ownership/privileges of "TrustedInstaller", "DefaultMediaCost"
;  and "Windows Defender" -Manually-, Merge and ReBoot.

etc. etc. etc.

http://Jeff-Relf.Me/Win10.REG.TXT
■
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.20--7.23am.Seattle.2020
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10
      "wsappx" is consuming 5% of my CPU.

I ran "Windows 10 November 2019 Update  .EXE";
now "wsappx" is consuming 5% of my CPU
and it's periodically turns my mouse cursor into an hourglass.

I'm running the "Home" version of Windows.

These services can't be stopped:

  Windows Store Services (WSService)
  Client License Service (ClipSVC)
  AppX Deployment Service (AppXSVC)

I can't launch "Windows Store" ( ms-windows-store: ).
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              Peter_Jason│pj@jostle_com  vu0fjedmecmnu7n09ovegf64iqamg7glb0@4ax.com
            Paul│nospam@needed_invalid  qh83c9$gbg$1@dont-email.me
          Peter_Jason│pj@jostle_com  1c7fjepq83bv3j97c48mehsun2rkr6tg1d@4ax.com
        Paul│nospam@needed_invalid  qh8f43$19v$2@dont-email.me
      Peter_Jason│pj@jostle_com  4vohje178llsg1gq37e4l7ue6814j25urr@4ax.com
    Paul│nospam@needed_invalid  qhb2lp$hnc$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jul.24--10.26pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10
    ╱ 4  m192 Top; 3.1 Hours, Ratcatcher/2_0_0_25, Eternal-September.ORG,  Jul 24 {  7: 3pm, 2019 }:37^(-4)  XΝKς
      Windows Update never works for me.

Windows Update never works for me; when I try to use it,
it's ultra-miserable, with MULTIPLE SLOW, FAILING REBOOTS.

So I think it's best to never use it;
I turn off those services.

Downloading 1903, for example, works well enough for me;
it takes an hour or so to set up correctly afterwards,
but it's not too bad.

I have to rename the "Documents" folder back to "Sys",
as that's what I always call it.  Unless+Until I do that,
many programs can't find my settings.

I think I have to restore from my backups, at times.

Also, I have to re-take ownership of "DefaultMediaCost" -Manually-,
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\NetworkList\DefaultMediaCost]
Re-Merge-In my settings ( Jeff-Relf.Me/Win10.REG.TXT ), 
check for updates, ReBoot.

Also, I have to re-format all of my File-Explorer folders,
so they look the way I want -- very annoying.
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        Claudius_Denk│claudiusdenk  d3f9036f-b12a-4b19-86ff-89fa6fd0a5ed@googlegroups.com
      Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  h87fvfFgdt3U1@mid.individual.net
    Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  h89ngmFb08U2@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.15--4.48pm.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m22 Top; 15.1 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win7, Individual.NET,  Jan 15 {  4: 2pm, 2020 }:29^(11)  XоϠʕ
      "Claudius Denk" rides the short bus.

"Claudius Denk" thinks our inability to understand
his "explanations" is just further proof of his 
"humble genius" ( as he puts it ).

If NO ONE in the world understands him,
that's just further proof of how unique and special
his talents are, compared to EVERYONE else.

He rides the short bus, because he's special.

Einstein would tremble in his presence, I'm sure.
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              Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  h87fvfFgdt3U1@mid.individual.net
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.15--2.23am.Seattle.2020
          James_McGinn│jimmcginn9@gmail_  c9898b9a-fda7-4134-ba51-17458e135a9d@googlegroups.com
        MichaelMoroney  qvnh4d$k5j$2@pcls7.std.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.15--11.20am.Seattle.2020
    Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  qvnovv$1vol$2@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.15--11.32am.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 2  m176 Mad; 1.8 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win7, Aioe.ORG,  Jan 15 { 11:25am, 2020 }:44^(-6)  XоΤɨ
      James McGinn is neither humble nor a genius.

Sergio replied ( to me ):
> > H2O is not immune to entropy.
> > James McGinn willfully ignores thermodynamics.
> 
> McGinn willfully ignores science.

He's a self-proclaimed "humble genius",
misunderstood by mere mortals, such as ourselves.

Truth is, he is neither humble nor a genius.
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            Claudius_Denk│claudiusdenk  d3f9036f-b12a-4b19-86ff-89fa6fd0a5ed@googlegroups.com
          Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  h87fvfFgdt3U1@mid.individual.net
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.15--2.23am.Seattle.2020
      James_McGinn│jimmcginn9@gmail_  c9898b9a-fda7-4134-ba51-17458e135a9d@googlegroups.com
    MichaelMoroney  qvnh4d$k5j$2@pcls7.std.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.15--11.20am.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m215 Dropped; 1.7 Hours, nn, TheWorld.COM,  Jan 15 {  9:11am, 2020 }:41  Xоʫუ
      H2O is not immune to entropy.

H2O is not immune to entropy.

James McGinn willfully ignores thermodynamics.
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      Claudius_Denk│claudiusdenk  d3f9036f-b12a-4b19-86ff-89fa6fd0a5ed@googlegroups.com
    Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  h87fvfFgdt3U1@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.15--2.23am.Seattle.2020
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m21 Top; 6.4 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win7, Individual.NET,  Jan 14 {  7:41pm, 2020 }:34^(11)  Xоaნ
      In a 0°F freezer, food dehydrates, ice sublimates.

For the millionth time, "Claudius Denk" wrote:
> > Everyone "knows" ( believes )
> > in "cold steam" ( below 100c at 1 atm ) 
> > but nobody can explain it ( to me ).

The velocity of molecules is Gaussian/semi-random;
the temperature is merely the top of the bell curve,
it doesn't tell you what the other molecules are doing;
some are going much faster; others, much slower.

In a 0°F freezer, food dehydrates, ice sublimates;
it's called "freezer burn".

If you don't understand that, 
then you don't/won't understand entropy.

Your ignorance is willful.
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              TheSnitBot  h701hqF8spiU1@mid.individual.net
            SteveCarroll  3a39f584-33c3-4e32-a88a-8074aeeb81f2@googlegroups.com
          TheSnitBot  h71el9Fi29qU1@mid.individual.net
        SteveCarroll  aeb6a1e6-d9d2-4701-80bb-c9f1dd29b495@googlegroups.com
      TheSnitBot  h71h8tFiishU1@mid.individual.net
    SteveCarroll  27340e41-4bc2-4824-aa7b-8034430aa689@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.1--1.30am.Seattle.2020
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 5  m268 Mad; 14.3 Hours, GoogleG,  Dec 31 { 10:47am, 2019 }:12^(PST)  XдΜц
      The proud, the few, the white.

Michael Glasser wrote:
> > Nordic countries do quite well. 

Yes, Hitler would agree.

The proud, the few, the white.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.29--3.32pm.Seattle.2019
            Roy_Masters│noemail@invalid_  que1q9$q07$2@gioia.aioe.org
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.30--6.26pm.Seattle.2019
        Roy_Masters│noemail@invalid_  qufrne$ver$1@gioia.aioe.org
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.31--9.50am.Seattle.2019
    Roy_Masters│noemail@invalid_  qug6j4$jgl$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.31--0.56pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m9 Cool; 17.6 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win7, Aioe.ORG,  Dec 31 { 11:12am, 2019 }:39^(-5)  XдΡd
      California AB5.

Roy Masters replied ( to me ):
> > Six squatters in a room, all knife/gun wielding,
> > horny, thieving junkies/dealers
> > is a recipe for disaster.
> 
> What does that have to do with 
> communal fridges/toilets?

The Tragedy of the Commons.
Six squatters abusing someone's fridge.

The city does everything in his power
to make sure that "undesirables":

    1) Acquire a place to rent.
    2) Can't be evicted.

The city doesn't pay for this (above);
no, landlords/managers/tenants pay the price.

> > > > I'm talking one person per micro-apartment,
> > > > in a dense, urban environment.
> > >
> > > Apartment Nazis?
> > 
> > Yes, but no invading Russia.
> 
> Good luck with that.

For those who prefer communal living,
yet can't properly behave, jail awaits.

> > Unions win and the poor die in the streets.
> > I see it all the time, every election cycle.
> 
> I am no fan of unions but wouldn't go that far.

The poor are dying in the streets; unions have removed
the lower rungs of the ladder, e.g. California AB5.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.29--2.42pm.Seattle.2019
            Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  shbi0fhca235hjfu35i3b9qn2i32ccqqd1@4ax.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.29--3.32pm.Seattle.2019
        Roy_Masters│noemail@invalid_  que1q9$q07$2@gioia.aioe.org
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.30--6.26pm.Seattle.2019
    Roy_Masters│noemail@invalid_  qufrne$ver$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.31--9.50am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m8 Cool; 52 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win7, Aioe.ORG,  Dec 31 {  8: 7am, 2019 }:13^(-5)  Xдʡȿ
      It's cheaper to just dump it on the landlords.

Roy Masters replied ( to me ):
> > >  Tragedy of the Commons.
> > 
> > Right, shared refrigerators/toilets are a bad idea.
> 
> Are you now claiming that Pruitt-Igoe failed 
> not because of unions, but because it had 
> communal refrigerators and toilets ?  ( did it ?? )

Six squatters in a room, all knife/gun wielding, 
horny, thieving junkies/dealers 
is a recipe for disaster.

> > I'm talking one person per micro-apartment [*],
> > in a dense, urban environment.
> >    [ *: strictly enforced ]
> 
> Apartment Nazis?

Yes, but no invading Russia.

> > People would behave better if they could get a slice
> > of the pie; i.e. if unions would share the wealth,
> > so everyone, including themselves, could work fewer
> > hours, for lower wages, as gig workers do.
> 
> > Instead, we have a California AB5 and high minimum wages.
> 
> Back to blaming the unions ?

Absolutely, they want it all for themselves;
they're experts at removing the lower rungs of the ladder,
to avoid competition.

Unions win and the poor die in the streets.
I see it all the time, every election cycle.
 
> They are far less relevant now compared to 
> the 50s/60s, so why is the homeless problem
> getting worse ?

Because no one cares about the mentally ill.

Because it's too expensive to help them;
it's cheaper to just dump it on the landlords
and property managers.
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              TheSnitBot  h6v69kF3l4hU1@mid.individual.net
            SteveCarroll  b1b6cb7e-7022-498c-955c-d327c4dc83fc@googlegroups.com
          TheSnitBot  h6vaquF4hu6U1@mid.individual.net
        SteveCarroll  f7e386da-68bb-4712-9df3-cd9a21bc073a@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.30--7.27pm.Seattle.2019
    SteveCarroll  44046e9c-6396-485c-a62f-8d5dce39eaa3@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.31--9.18am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 3  m267 Mad; 27.3 Minutes, GoogleG,  Dec 31 {  8:31am, 2019 }:50^(PST)  Xдʥɮ
      Trillions of dollars of moral hazard.

Steve Carroll wrote:
> I don't believe the Fed has the kind of complete power 
> it would take to prevent the market from crashing. 

It has an unlimited supply of money,
and propping up the bond/equity market doesn't 
cause consumer-price inflation.

It's just trillions of dollars
of moral hazard, that's all.

It's never been done before, 
to this extent.
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              Klaus_Schadenfreude│  0ulk0fdpn20hvekdn17kcbrgi55sl7mkb9@4ax.com
            SteveCarroll  40599354-462b-4ec9-976d-7c770c74a818@googlegroups.com
          TheSnitBot  h6v69kF3l4hU1@mid.individual.net
        SteveCarroll  b1b6cb7e-7022-498c-955c-d327c4dc83fc@googlegroups.com
      TheSnitBot  h6vaquF4hu6U1@mid.individual.net
    SteveCarroll  f7e386da-68bb-4712-9df3-cd9a21bc073a@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.30--7.27pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 3  m266 Mad; 3.7 Hours, GoogleG,  Dec 30 {  2:46pm, 2019 }:23^(PST)  XгჩЕ
      The Fed won't let the market go down.

Steve Carroll wrote:
> [ The equity and bond markets had one of their ]
> best decades in roughly a century and a half.

Since 2008, the Fed has put 4.5 trillion $
worth of (bad) assets on its balance sheet,
over a trillion from Fannie-n-Freddie alone.

Basically, they won't let the market go down;
spreads between low and high credit quality
are so tight, you can't tell who's cheating.

Like they say, "You can't fight the Fed".
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              .  cv0k0f968hf4l7eamce1t2gpa256llva40@4ax.com
            .  16oOF.473763$1N2.149462@fx21.ams1
          .  ng4k0fpsdse76p84rvfrlb4aaf208ume6e@4ax.com
        .  RGoOF.369783$BD1.43657@fx10.ams1
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.30--8.14am.Seattle.2019
    pyotr_filipivich│phamp  gnbk0fpn2crbg18i953rqahfbofja4lqae@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.30--10.11am.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Survival, Talk.Politics.Guns, Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m1 Shifty; 9.4 Minutes, F_Agent, Earthlink.COM, 50.34.199.48,  Dec 30 {  9:12am, 2019 }:41^(-8)  Xгвf
      Which communist apparatchik ?

"pyotr" wrote:
> LA, San Fran and Seattle are run by Progressives,
> with Caracas as their model city.
                              
Which communist apparatchik came up with,
and funded, Uber and Air B&B ?!  

The unions are fighting back with California AB5,
but they're going to get sued to hell and back.

It'll be interesting to see how this plays out.
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              Klaus_Schadenfreude│  bcvj0f1ag73rkiep1l1r0pumd0iclp8bk6@4ax.com
            jBINV⚛←_╬_𝑴𝒊𝒈𝒉𝒕𝒚_  DrnOF.377962$oZ5.18899@fx06.ams1
          Klaus_Schadenfreude│  cv0k0f968hf4l7eamce1t2gpa256llva40@4ax.com
        XB1hf⚛←_╬_𝑴𝒊𝒈𝒉𝒕𝒚_  16oOF.473763$1N2.149462@fx21.ams1
      Klaus_Schadenfreude│  ng4k0fpsdse76p84rvfrlb4aaf208ume6e@4ax.com
    iCZhh⚛←_╬_𝑴𝒊𝒈𝒉𝒕𝒚_  RGoOF.369783$BD1.43657@fx10.ams1
Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.30--8.14am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns, Alt.Survival
    ╱ 1  m1 Shifty; 30.9 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Posting.Tweaknews.NL➤Tweaknews.NL,  Dec 30 {  7:26am, 2019 }:40^(-5)  XгРʠ
      If you need more socialism...

If you need more socseasialism, Mr. "iCZhh",
move to Venezuela, Argentina, or Cuba;

but bring dollars because the local 
currencies/governments are worthless.

If you need more capitalism, try Hong Kong, 
Los Angeles, San Francisco, or Seattle;

but bring a skilled trade, because 
your savings won't last long.
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              .  qua2ga$53c$1@gioia.aioe.org
            .  h6rh5lFarl5U1@mid.individual.net
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.29--6.12am.Seattle.2019
        Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  h6sn9pFiho1U2@mid.individual.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.29--2.42pm.Seattle.2019
    Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  h6th6mFndd0U2@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.30--7.55am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate, Sci.Physics.Relativity
    ╱ 1  m2 Top; 7.4 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win7, Individual.NET,  Dec 29 {  9:44pm, 2019 }:54^(11)  XгΒʮ
      Sydney is Disneyland.

Sylvia replied ( to me ):
> > The price of land doesn't explain
> > the high cost of a condo in a high-rise.
> 
> As soon as you have permission to build
> a high-rise [ the price of the land ]
> goes up accordingly.

Good point.

In Disneyland, bottled Water costs 4$.

Sydney is Disneyland.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.29--2.42pm.Seattle.2019
            Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  shbi0fhca235hjfu35i3b9qn2i32ccqqd1@4ax.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.29--3.32pm.Seattle.2019
        Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  t1ei0f5crerkkrf9p2jvvoohg4n9i2qdh7@4ax.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.29--4.00pm.Seattle.2019
    Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  n7gi0fd3p023fb575o6fss4pcm351fo8dp@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.29--4.58pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate, Sci.Physics.Relativity
    ╱ 1  m76 Cool; 36.4 Minutes, F_Agent, Alt.NET,  Dec 29 {  4:17pm, 2019 }:37^(-5)  Xгɺჟ
      Gig jobs are outlawed.

Hømer replied ( to me ):
> > How are poor people supposed to take care of themselves
> > when unions won't let them compete ?!
> 
> Poor people can do work other than union work.

I'm talking about "scabs", gig workers,
not working a union job.

Gig jobs are outlawed, see:

  California AB5
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.29--6.12am.Seattle.2019
            Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  h6sn9pFiho1U2@mid.individual.net
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.29--2.42pm.Seattle.2019
        Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  shbi0fhca235hjfu35i3b9qn2i32ccqqd1@4ax.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.29--3.32pm.Seattle.2019
    Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  t1ei0f5crerkkrf9p2jvvoohg4n9i2qdh7@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.29--4.00pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate, Sci.Physics.Relativity
    +-, 16.8 Minutes, F_Agent, Alt.NET,  Dec 29 {  3:40pm, 2019 }:45^(-5)  XгɴЫ
      Give them a piece of the pie.

Hømer replied ( to me ):
> > It (Pruit Igoe) was torn down because (government) unions 
> > can't take the competition.
> 
> Wrong, mush for brains.

Stop looking in the mirror, you're projecting again.

How are poor people supposed to take care of themselves
when unions won't let them compete ?!

Give them a piece of the pie,
and maybe they won't take so many drugs.
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              .  qua2ga$53c$1@gioia.aioe.org
            .  h6rh5lFarl5U1@mid.individual.net
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.29--6.12am.Seattle.2019
        Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  h6sn9pFiho1U2@mid.individual.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.29--2.42pm.Seattle.2019
    Sir_Hømer_Hall_Esq_│greghall  shbi0fhca235hjfu35i3b9qn2i32ccqqd1@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.29--3.32pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate, Sci.Physics.Relativity
    ╱ 1  m5 Cool; 27.5 Minutes, F_Agent, Alt.NET,  Dec 29 {  2:56pm, 2019 }:49^(-5)  Xгɭʩ
      Killing the poor.

Hømer replied ( to me ):
> > We need densely-packed micro-apartments,
> > standardized, modularized, built in China.
> > 
> > Someone like Bill Gates or Jeff Bezos
> > might be able to pull it off.
> 
> Google Pruitt-Igoe, you ignorant fool

It was torn down because (government) unions 
can't take the competition.

Cheaper rent is a huge advantage;
I could use that to take "your" job.

"Killing the poor" is the government's byline.
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              .  3cdf0411-683a-4e2a-8e26-9c0f7202ee78@googlegroups.com
            .  qu3pgu$kat$1@pcls7.std.com
          .  qua2ga$53c$1@gioia.aioe.org
        .  h6rh5lFarl5U1@mid.individual.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.29--6.12am.Seattle.2019
    Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  h6sn9pFiho1U2@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.29--2.42pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate, Sci.Physics.Relativity
    ╱ 1  m1 Top; 15 Secs, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win7, Individual.NET,  Dec 29 {  2:22pm, 2019 }:48^(11)  XгɧЮ
      Densely-packed micro-apartments,

Sylvia replied ( to me ):
> > If Sydney's homes were built in China,
> > ordinary fools could afford one.
> 
> The price of housing in Sydney is driven mainly 
> by the cost of purchasing land, the price of which
> reflects the high demand and low supply.

The price of land doesn't explain 
the high cost of a condo in a high-rise.

Imagine if all you could ever buy were
custom-made shoes/clothes;
prices would be ridiculous.

We need densely-packed micro-apartments,
standardized, modularized, built in China.

Someone like Bill Gates or Jeff Bezos
might be able to pull it off.

The government won't do it, because they 
( the unions ) don't want the competition;
already, they're banning gig workers,
Google "California AB5".

They'd sooner kill the poor than compete with them;
in fact, they are.
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              .  qu311o$q1t$1@gioia.aioe.org
            .  1bb5b83c-4dad-4956-98c4-93ef2437c027@googlegroups.com
          .  3cdf0411-683a-4e2a-8e26-9c0f7202ee78@googlegroups.com
        .  qu3pgu$kat$1@pcls7.std.com
      Barry_Aecca│baae@go2netw_nv  qua2ga$53c$1@gioia.aioe.org
    Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  h6rh5lFarl5U1@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.29--6.12am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate, Sci.Physics.Relativity
    ╱ 1  m5 Top; 2.1 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win7, Individual.NET,  Dec 29 {  3:32am, 2019 }: 3^(11)  Xвჱɻ
      Undiscovered, intrinsic spin.

Sylvia replied ( to Barry ):
> > does the entangled state need a medium,
> > to the end-point destination ? 
> 
> There is no evidence that anything at all is 
> transmitted between entangled particles. 
> 
> Measurements can be space-like separated, 
> meaning that even the order of the measurements, 
> and hence the direction of some 
> supposed transfer, is undefined.

Your answers are always quite beautiful 
and correct, Sylvia.  I'm impressed.

The local cause of entanglement is unknown;
I suspect momentum -- intrinsic spin.

Serious Scientists " Shut Up and Calculate. "
when they don't know the answer,
instead of imagining infinite universes, 
spawning at an infinite rate, 
laughing in the face of thermodynamics,
as we're want to do, in our dreams.

P.S. 
Perhaps homes are priced correctly.

After all, they have to be maintained,
and it requires local/expensive labor.

If our homes could be built and maintained
in China, ordinary fools could afford one.
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              FabianRussell  qu186i01gpf@news2.newsguy.com
            HughHuntzinger  7e92cdd1-6104-467a-aa44-11c352aa0dc0@googlegroups.com
          FabianRussell  qu2g25018cq@news1.newsguy.com
        HughHuntzinger  ba50f90e-859c-4405-bd64-96d6548ada51@googlegroups.com
      FabianRussell  qu2mgn0sqt@news3.newsguy.com
    HughHuntzinger  1dc704b9-5308-49c5-8a70-fec6db60a66b@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.27--0.10pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 6  m63 Cool; 23.5 Hours, GoogleG, 143.85.5.26,  Dec 26 {   :15pm, 2019 }:36^(PST)  Xбɒρ
      Jeff Bezos is a real programmer.

Real programmers only care about the final product.

Jeff Bezos is a real programmer.
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.27--11.42am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
      I wish the DMV ran my grocery store.

No one ever said:
" I wish the DMV ran my grocery store ".

Since 2015, UK's Royal Mail, est. 1516,
has been fully private.
US Mail is nearly a subsidiary of Amazon.

NASA once dominated commercial cargo,
then ESA, now it's SpaceX ( Falcon Heavy ).

The Logitech g635 headset I ordered 
last night arrived this morning;
I'm using it now.

An Amazon shirt (phone) CALLED me;
so there was no chance of losing the package.

" Back Door Only, call 206 555 1234 "
is now part of my "address", printed on the label,
so the deliveryman sees it.
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.26--7.07am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
      " We can't compete, you must die " -- California unions.

The older generation is/was BURDENED by
large families/houses; today's kids have
many more opportunities.

California unions have passed legislation
designed to "kill" millions of gig workers;
" We can't compete, you must die ",
I hear them say.

Uber has vowed to continue operating
as they currently do -- God[*] bless them.
[*:Nature]
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              Kensi  qtes50$1bd$1@gioia.aioe.org
            Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  h60cm9FmudpU1@mid.individual.net
          Trevor_Wilson│trevor@rageaudio_  h60tstFqafiU1@mid.individual.net
        Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  h62kkdF6qbrU1@mid.individual.net
      Trevor_Wilson│trevor@rageaudio_  h62su1F8cg8U1@mid.individual.net
    Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  h630hjF93ebU1@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.20--1.20am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Talk.Politics.Guns, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m4 Top; 4.8 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win7, Individual.NET,  Dec 19 {  8:21pm, 2019 }: 3^(11)  XЬЩΘ
      I'll start writing checks -- not.

I can't help but shed a tear for 
all those wealthy people building 
their mansions by the rising sea 
and burgeoning national forests.

Some of them can't even afford 
10 million dollar homes !

If there's anything I can do for them, 
just let me know, and 
I'll start writing checks -- not.
■
Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.18--6.06pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
      Pain relief.

Were today's economy truly better than ever, 
central banks would be raising rates, 
cooling things down; but our statistics are off.

Old age, disability, and professional scofflaws
are on the rise, and no one has a decent solution.

In China, traditional family values help, and
the government covertly "re-educates undesirables";
in the Philippines, the slaughter is more overt.

In New York, jail costs 1,000$/day/person;
the cheaper alternative is to just let everyone
"steal, trespass, assault, etc." with impunity.

Apparently, central banks think negative interest rates
will alleviate the pain, like heroin ( and/or religion ).

Pain relief is the focus of all religions,
including (godless) Buddhism/Marxism.
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.16--11.07pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
      The majority "wins" ( e.g. Mao, Pol Pot ).

Would you rather live in socialist North Korea 
or capitalist South Korea ?

N. Korea isn't just physically dark,
it hides (sex) slavery.

Now, you can argue that such slavery exists everywhere,
even under capitalism -- and you'd be right;
but, under capitalism, it's out in the open.

Billionaires aren't the biggest problem in the world today,
far from it; so, please, stop focusing on it.

Jealousy is ugly, sinful, abhorrent, and destructive;
it leads to Pol Pot Communism, the killing fields,
and HIDDEN (sex) slavery, as in North Korea.

When you're a member of the urban poor,
with a crappy part-time job ( or SSI check ),
" Annual Rent Increase == Inflation Rate ".

Before long, you can't pay rent;
and "thieving junkie" becomes your best option.

Before long, war breaks out;
the majority "wins" ( e.g. Mao, Pol Pot ).
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      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.14--0.40pm.Seattle.2019
    Checkmate│More_Bull_Schiff  cp2h52.jp3.17.28@news.alt.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.15--4.34pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m5 Shifty; 6.2 Hours, MicroPlanet, Alt.NET,  Dec 15 {  9:47am, 2019 }:44^(-8)  XЩзღ
      "Tiny Tim" ( Artful Dodger ) is strung-out on drugs.

Checky replied ( to me ):
> > Today, worldwide, kids are a liability; sans family,
> > "Thieving Junkie" is the most popular profession.
> 
> I support post-birth abortion... 
> up to the age of at least 30.

More likely, they'll kill you first.

Today's Scrooge is a government-funded[*] heathen;
"Tiny Tim" ( Artful Dodger ) is strung-out on drugs.

[ *: Don't call it "Quantitative Easing" ]
■
Russian programmers are the best;
too bad you didn't know that from the start.

I live in Seattle and I've been using
Microsoft C since 1989; DOS since 1983.

I'm a self-proclaimed expert in C and CSS;
I wrote:
    Jeff-Relf.Me/userContent.CSS.TXT
    Jeff-Relf.Me/X.ZIP
    Jeff-Relf.Me/MouseKeyboardLayout.PNG
    Jeff-Relf.Me/Macros.HTM
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.13--6.08pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
      30 minute TV shows are now 6 GigaBytes.

30 minute TV shows are now 6 GigaBytes;
but damn, the SurroundSound is amazing throughout.
My Logitech g635 headset never sounded better.

Set in the Star Wars' world,
after the fall of the Empire,
before order is restored,
"The Mandalorian" is basically
a Western on steroids 
-- complete with amazing droids,
bizarre creatures, and baby Yoda.
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        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.5--6.39am.Seattle.2019
      Janithor│Janithor@comcast_net  qss7p7$pq0$1@news.albasani.net
    MrChrisV  0jf4vedh57rfpiecabp0nojvjkivb87pvh@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.12--9.11am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m127 Dropped; 2.3 Hours, F_Agent, HighWinds➤Fastusenet.ORG,  Dec 12 {  5:21am, 2019 }:40^(-6)  XЧϻυ
      Pol Pot's subsistence farmers were "greedy" ?

MrChrisV replied ( to me ):
> > > Pol Pot Communism ( where subsistence farmers
> > > and businessmen trade careers, destroying
> > > everything-n-everyone ) is fueled by jealousy.
> 
> I would say it's fueled by "greed".

Pol Pot's subsistence farmers were "greedy" ?

> > > Mainland China is jealous of Hong Kong, killing it.
> > > Bernie Sanders is doing the Pol Pot dance here too.
> > > The world has gone insane.
> 
> Pretty soon, we'll all be shitting in buckets!   8)

Shit into a soup ladle then put it in a tightly sealed
Vittles Vault so no one can smell it;
-- it's better and cheaper.

Or keep being jealous, see where that gets you.
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          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.5--6.39am.Seattle.2019
        Kensi  qscqiv$t79$10@gioia.aioe.org
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.6--3.05pm.Seattle.2019
    Kensi  qsflmq$1jc$3@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.7--6.32am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m11 Dropped; 6.4 Hours, NewsTap➤iPad, Aioe.ORG,  Dec  6 { 11:51pm, 2019 }:57^(2)  XФɌϝ
      "Jealousy" is your song and dance, ko0ky.

Kensi replied ( to me ):
> > > Pol Pot Communism ( where subsistence farmers
> > > and businessmen trade careers, destroying
> > > everything-n-everyone ) is fueled by jealousy.
> > >
> > > Bernie Sanders is doing the Pol Pot dance here too.
>
> That does not seem to be a retraction of your scurrilous false 
> comparison of Sanders to a mass murderer, ko0ky.

"Jealousy" is your (ugly) song and dance, ko0ky; 
and Bernie is playing the tunes, Pol Pot style.
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            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.5--6.39am.Seattle.2019
          Kensi  qscqiv$t79$10@gioia.aioe.org
        Ted│ted@sam_street  almarsoft.1836365811540136593@us.news.astraweb.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.6--5.32pm.Seattle.2019
    Ted│ted@sam_street  almarsoft.257718492301617380@us.news.astraweb.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.6--8.32pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m5 Shifty; 56.6 Minutes, Groundhog➤Android, HighWinds,  Dec  6 {  7:15pm, 2019 }:39^(-5)  XФWτ
      Bernie isn't as rich is his peers.

Ted replied ( to me ):
> > If the word "communism" is too scary for you,
> > try "jealousy", as it's just one of the 7 deadly sins,
> > like gluttony -- and Bernie is definitely jealous.
> 
> Bernie's a multimillionaire. 
> I'm sure he's not jealous at all.

Bernie isn't as rich is his peers.

He had to run a popular presidential campaign, twice,
and sell some books before he got his paltry millions
( not enough to buy a fancy house, in my neck of the woods ).

It's pretty obvious that he's concerned about relative poverty,
not absolute poverty.

> > Absolute poverty should be our primary concern, not jealousy.
> > To date, no one has found a decent solution.
> 
> Oh, I dunno. FDR put a huge dent in it, 
> which was gradually improved by the Democrats through Carter.
> ( But those Democrats are long gone )

Google: Los Angeles, Seattle homeless

> > Like Hitler, Duterte and Chairman Xi, 
> > Ben Jacoby would just kill them ASAP.
> 
> Whatever.

Perhaps Ben is just a horrible communicator,
but his "45 cent" solution rubbed me the wrong way.

I don't know how you could be so callous;
maybe you should get outside more often,
to see what the real world is like.
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            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.5--6.39am.Seattle.2019
          Kensi  qscqiv$t79$10@gioia.aioe.org
        Ted│ted@sam_street  almarsoft.1836365811540136593@us.news.astraweb.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.6--5.32pm.Seattle.2019
    BenJacoby  qsf0fe$1cds$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.6--6.46pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m112 Dropped; 32 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Aioe.ORG,  Dec  6 {  5:49pm, 2019 }:35^(-5)  XФIɟ
      Pol Pot killed/destroyed randomly.

Pol Pot killed/destroyed randomly, Ben Jacoby.

Anyone richer than he was ( prior to his ascension )
was an "undesirable", but he was damn good at 
emaciating his "oppressed" brethren too.

Although today's "undesirables" die rapidly,
plenty live-on, and they need to be taken care of,
if possible.
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        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.5--6.39am.Seattle.2019
      Kensi  qscqiv$t79$10@gioia.aioe.org
    Ted│ted@sam_street  almarsoft.1836365811540136593@us.news.astraweb.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.6--5.32pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 3  m3 Shifty; 18.4 Minutes, Groundhog➤Android, HighWinds,  Dec  6 {  4:46pm, 2019 }:57^(-5)  XФ7з
      Anyone who discusses "relative poverty" is a despicable slob.

Ted replied ( to Kensi ):
> > > Pol Pot Communism ( where subsistence farmers
> > > and businessmen trade careers, destroying
> > > everything-n-everyone ) is fueled by jealousy.
> > > 
> > > Bernie Sanders is doing the Pol Pot dance here too.
> > 
> > You take that back !
> 
> It's idiotic because Bernie is hardly a communist.
> So far, he just comes across as a sheepdog to herd
> leftists like you back into the Democratic Party.

If the word "communism" is too scary for you,
try "jealousy", as it's just one of the 7 deadly sins,
like gluttony -- and Bernie is definitely jealous.

Absolute poverty ( i.e. "undesirables" wandering around
like stray dogs, thieving junkies, squatters,
stealing stuff left-n-right, with impunity ) 
should be our primary concern, not jealousy.

Anyone who discusses "relative poverty"
is a despicable slob.

To date, no one has found a decent solution.

Like Hitler, Duterte and Chairman Xi, 
Ben Jacoby would just kill them ASAP.
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      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.5--6.39am.Seattle.2019
    Kensi  qscqiv$t79$10@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.6--3.05pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m74 Dropped; 9.5 Hours, NewsTap➤iPad, Aioe.ORG,  Dec  5 {  9:56pm, 2019 }:41^(2)  XУΔʡ
      Absolute poverty.

Kensi replied ( to me ):
> > Pol Pot Communism ( where subsistence farmers
> > and businessmen trade careers, destroying
> > everything-n-everyone ) is fueled by jealousy.
> > 
> > Bernie Sanders is doing the Pol Pot dance here too.
> 
> You take that back !

Anyone who discusses "relative poverty"
is committing the sin of envy ( gluttony, 
greed, lust, pride, sloth, and wrath ).

Absolute poverty ( i.e. "undesirables" wandering around
like stray dogs, thieving junkies, squatters,
stealing stuff left-n-right, with impunity ) 
should be your primary concern, not jealousy.

To date, no one has found a decent solution.
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.5--6.39am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
      The world has gone insane.

Avoid tenants that aren't disciplined enough
to have saved up enough money to pay for their
own move-in costs; e.g. those using/abusing
their parents and/or a charity.

Washington State's "Source of Income Protections"
Law ( RCW 59.18.255 ) says that I have to accept
a "promissory note" from a "Social Services agency";
i.e. I MUST let "undesirables" move in before
getting paid anything from anyone.

Evictions are extremely expensive, nightmarish;
just yesterday, I got a death threat from 
an angry gang of squatters who refuse to leave.

Seattle does everything in its power to make
housing "undesirables" my problem, not theirs.

Squatters treat your property like a squat;
and, to feel good about themselves, they MUST 
think that everyone else is doing the same,
including the landlord.

Jealousy is another factor.

Pol Pot Communism ( where subsistence farmers
and businessmen trade careers, destroying
everything-n-everyone ) is fueled by jealousy.

Mainland China is jealous of Hong Kong, killing it.
Bernie Sanders is doing the Pol Pot dance here too.
The world has gone insane.
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.2--7.25pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
      The world isn't so much "in" a depression...

The world isn't so much "in" a depression
as it is depressed -- old and young alike.

"Reggie In China" s01e02 (Beijing) details 
the life of ZTO's package-delivery men in Beijing.

They sleep on plywood, in bunkbeds, 14 to a room;
money is sent home to their rural wives-n-children.

This makes deliveries amazingly good+cheap+fast
( compared to anywhere else ) but it can't last;
such "family values" will soon be gone, Americanized,
no matter how many proverbial "(fire)walls", and 
surveillance systems Beijing might employ.

Instead of "Mak[ing] America Great Again",
some guys try to turn back the clock by finding 
desperate women in secluded corners of the world.

It doesn't work, of course.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.20--4.24pm.Seattle.2019
            HughHuntzinger  e5bfc8e5-e4ae-4ef2-8719-a704ecddbb11@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.21--7.46am.Seattle.2019
        HughHuntzinger  1470cfaf-40a5-4505-8142-b30e8b9eb2ea@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.21--3.47pm.Seattle.2019
    HughHuntzinger  063e6127-d4a4-45a8-8c58-31fd4d4178aa@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.23--5.58am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 30  m68 Cool; 12.6 Hours, GoogleG, 143.85.5.26,  Nov 22 {  7: 1am, 2019 }:36^(PST)  XКʖɠ
      Imprudent Loans.

You make an interesting point, Hugh Huntzinger;
certain tax advantages make it so well-off 
professionals are crowding-out first-time buyers.

By the way, 
a speech-to-text ( Nuance Dragon ) bug transformed
"     [T]here are tax code factors " into: 
" [dense]here are tax code factors ".

If I don't continually re-mute the microphone,
it spits out spurious words like "dense".

It relies on context ("Nuance"); so, sometimes,
I have to say a phrase in order to get the word I want.

You mentioned:
> one's home being a retirement savings investment.  

While that may be true for well-off Boomers,
one should consider what Millennials are/were doing.

2004, they were leaving college and entering the market
burdened with student-loan debt and 8-year car loans;
currently, they're defaulting on these (imprudent) loans.

"Banks" are holding $3.1 trillion in cash-out refis from 2005 - 2007;
recently, cash-out refis have been growing rapidly, like 2005 - 2007. 

Gary Shilling says we're in a recession now, and I quite agree.
A year from now, we'll get the official declaration,
-- a day late, and a dollar short -- and the stock market will dip.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.21--4.27pm.Seattle.2019
            jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qr7k1t$7vi$1@dont-email.me
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.21--10.49pm.Seattle.2019
        jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qr8m1c$dsf$1@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.22--5.55am.Seattle.2019
    jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qr8t23$osj$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.22--7.29pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m25 Shifty; 11.7 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Nov 22 {  6:58am, 2019 }:11^(-6)  XКʕϹ
      Too Embarrassing.

> Never let facts spoil your stories.

...."jim" said, looking in the mirror.

"jim" replied ( to me ):
> > I'm amazed anyone pays their mortgage these days;
> > 50 % of past-due mortgages have gone 5+ years without
> > making any payments at all, and it doesn't even show up
> > on Fannie Mae's reports anymore -- too embarrassing.
> 
> That would be because Fannie Mae was
> not involved with those mortgages.

The re-default rate for Fannie Mae loans:
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-widening-crack-in-the-mortgage-market-could-sink-us-home-prices-2019-10-03

  Until 2018, Fannie Mae published re-default rates 
  for its modified loans in its quarterly Credit Supplement report.

  Based on Fitch Ratings data, the re-default rate for Fannie Mae loans
  modified three or more years ago could be approaching 50%.

The (ongoing) problem is NOT confined to subprime mortgages.

"Banks" are holding $3.1 trillion in cash-out refis from 2005 - 2007;
recently, cash-out refis have been growing rapidly, like 2005 - 2007. 

" This home mortgage disaster is ready to punish housing markets "
By Keith Jurow, Nov 20, 2019
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-home-mortgage-disaster-is-ready-to-punish-housing-markets-2019-11-19

  by mid-2010 there were more subprime modified mortgages
  re-defaulting than there were delinquent loans being
  foreclosed and liquidated by mortgage servicers.   
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.21--8.31am.Seattle.2019
            jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qr6tin$opn$1@dont-email.me
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.21--4.27pm.Seattle.2019
        jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qr7k1t$7vi$1@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.21--10.49pm.Seattle.2019
    jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qr8m1c$dsf$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.22--5.55am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m24 Shifty; 19 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Nov 22 {  4:58am, 2019 }:20^(-6)  XКʁВ
      Negative interest rates are a wealth tax.

"jim" replied ( to me ):
> > An inverted yield curve (accurately) predicts a recession.
> 
> Except when it doesn't like in 1966 or 2019

We're in a recession right now, 
according to Gary Shilling ( and me ).

The recession that started December 2007
wasn't recognized until December 2008.

March 2009, the Dow dropped 50% from its highs;
you amateurs are always late to the party, like that.

> What happened to your claim in your last post that
> " Yield curve inversions are known to cause recessions";
> "predict" and "cause" do not mean the same thing.

The Fed increased short-term rates, mid 2004;
I saw the effects immediately; you amateurs didn't, but I did.
Warren Buffett and Gary Shilling knew about it even earlier.

Today, the Fed is buying/holding long-term assets,
4.5 trillion dollars worth, see:

  http://Jeff-Relf.Me/The.Feds.Balance.Sheet--WSJ.JPG

No one thinks they'll ever be able to back out of that;
it's a gift, a 4.5 trillion dollar moral hazard,
and over a trillion $ of it went to Fannie and Freddie.

I'm amazed anyone pays their mortgage these days;
50 % of past-due mortgages have gone 5+ years without 
making any payments at all, and it doesn't even show up
on Fannie Mae's reports anymore -- too embarrassing.

> > When investors ( and/or the Fed ) think the economy
> > will be getting weaker in the coming decades,
> > they buy safe T-bonds instead of risky stocks.
> 
> The Fed has never bought stocks of any kind let
> alone "risky stocks".

"investors and/or the Fed" bought T-bonds; 
soon, the Fed will be buying/holding stocks too;
-- it'll be a gift, yet another moral hazard.

> late 2007 through 2008 the Fed was powerless 
> to prevent interest rates from fallng to zero.

They stopped it from going below zero;
but that won't last.

Negative interest rates are a wealth tax.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.19--4.39pm.Seattle.2019
            jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qr3ii4$fkh$1@dont-email.me
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.21--8.31am.Seattle.2019
        jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qr6tin$opn$1@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.21--4.27pm.Seattle.2019
    jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qr7k1t$7vi$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.21--10.49pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m23 Shifty; 1.7 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Nov 21 {  7:18pm, 2019 }:21^(-6)  XКXL
      An inverted yield curve (accurately) predicts a recession.

An inverted yield curve (accurately) predicts a recession.

In 2008, long-term Treasuries soared ( yields dropped );
March 9, 2009 the Dow fell to  6,469 .

When investors ( and/or the Fed ) think the economy 
will be getting weaker in the coming decades, 
they buy safe T-bonds instead of risky stocks.

In the year ending August 31st, 2019,
Gary Shilling's 30-year, zero coupon, T-bonds
gave him a 34.5% return; 
in contrast, the S&P 500 gained just 2%.

And he's been killing it, like that, for 40+ years now,
ever since he predicted "the bond rally of a lifetime".
Note: his money is held privately; he's a private man.

The 14th richest man in the world, Michael Bloomberg,
3-term mayor of New York, and current presidential candidate,
chose Gary Shilling to write his editorials.

Warren Buffett and Google are sitting on a mountain of cash.

You can bet against these guys, if you want, "jim";
but you will just be making them richer, and you poorer.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.21--2.56pm.Seattle.2019
            SteveCarroll  774f44f5-c1d1-4694-8bdd-d25a2383cdf7@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.21--4.49pm.Seattle.2019
        SteveCarroll  8e400648-86ad-44a6-a60f-05a2757b64e2@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.21--5.29pm.Seattle.2019
    SteveCarroll  bd7c0cae-aeb6-4732-85f5-a3aad486b7af@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.21--6.45pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 16  m148 Cool; 4.8 Minutes, GoogleG,  Nov 21 {  6:29pm, 2019 }:44^(PST)  XКOღ
      Millennials don't need another reason to be depressed.

Steve Carroll replied ( to me ):
> Millennials are even more interested in buying homes than their parents

They shouldn't be wanting real estate; 
they don't need another reason to be depressed.

" The Economy Is Booming, But Young Workers Are Miserable "
 By Ran Zilca, April 2019:

https://www.barrons.com/articles/young-people-are-increasingly-depressed-and-anxious-and-no-one-knows-why-51556627408
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.21--6.32pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
      Civil Disobedience is extremely popular these days.

Civil Disobedience is extremely popular these days.
Hong Kong people are voting with their feet.
By hook or crook, they're moving to Canada and Australia.

Despite massive walls, including electronic firewalls,
Marxism was never able to stop 
the Exodus of its best and brightest.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.21--7.46am.Seattle.2019
            SteveCarroll  3a4ff598-31d9-4dd6-9ef2-1191dbb8c0c8@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.21--2.56pm.Seattle.2019
        SteveCarroll  774f44f5-c1d1-4694-8bdd-d25a2383cdf7@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.21--4.49pm.Seattle.2019
    SteveCarroll  8e400648-86ad-44a6-a60f-05a2757b64e2@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.21--5.29pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 16  m147 Cool; 10.6 Minutes, GoogleG,  Nov 21 {  5: 2pm, 2019 }: 9^(PST)  XКAʁ
      The Climate Apocalypse Cult is brainwashing school kids.

Steve Carroll replied ( to me ):
> millennials-have-officially-entered-the-housing-market

NewsFlash:  Millennials are First-Time buyers.

What does that have to do with the price of tea in China ?

You're no Gary Shilling, obviously.

> > Thank you for your service but this is the trend:
> > 
> >    http://Jeff-Relf.Me/Global.Fertility.Rates.PNG
> 
> With all the doom and gloom painted by the media 
> every single day, who can blame them ?

The Climate Apocalypse Cult is brainwashing school kids;
and they're drinking the Kool-Aid.

They shout " Save the Planet ! " as they toss
their lunch into the wrong recycling bin.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.20--4.24pm.Seattle.2019
            HughHuntzinger  e5bfc8e5-e4ae-4ef2-8719-a704ecddbb11@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.21--7.46am.Seattle.2019
        SteveCarroll  3a4ff598-31d9-4dd6-9ef2-1191dbb8c0c8@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.21--2.56pm.Seattle.2019
    SteveCarroll  774f44f5-c1d1-4694-8bdd-d25a2383cdf7@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.21--4.49pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 15  m145 Cool; 38.2 Minutes, GoogleG,  Nov 21 {  3:51pm, 2019 }:47^(PST)  XЙჴϒ
      Millennials don't want real estate.

Steve Carroll replied ( to me ):
> > Butt-Fuck Egypt is no one's ideal location.
> 
> LOL! Conversely, Seattle isn't on any lists of 
> home-buying millennials ;)

They aren't buying homes, that's my point.
Nor should they, as Gary Shilling points out here:

  https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-11-04/millennials-should-be-happy-they-are-stuck-renting

The 14th richest man in the world, Michael Bloomberg,
3-term mayor of New York, and current presidential candidate,
has Gary Shilling writing his op-eds.

Forbes too, as well as other prestigious publications,
all around the globe; see:

  https://muckrack.com/a-shilling/articles

>  They want to own their houses,

Millennials don't want real estate;
nor should they, nor can they.

> > Today, kids are more of a liability than anything else.
> 
> Well, they're our (mankind's) future so...

Thank you for your service but this is the trend:

   http://Jeff-Relf.Me/Global.Fertility.Rates.PNG
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.19--1.06pm.Seattle.2019
            jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qr1o70$e61$1@dont-email.me
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.19--4.39pm.Seattle.2019
        jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qr3ii4$fkh$1@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.21--8.31am.Seattle.2019
    jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qr6tin$opn$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.21--4.27pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m22 Shifty; 1.6 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Nov 21 {   :54pm, 2019 }:47^(-6)  XЙთl
      Absent the Fed, T-bill rates would be negative.

"jim" replied ( to me ):
> > Fed Funds rates started going up mid 2004;
> > 3.5 years later, late 2007, the crash began.
> 
> July 2004    Dow is at 10,200
> Sept 2007    Dow is at 13,800

March 9, 2009  Dow hits   6,469

" Late 2007, the crash BEGAN ".

> That doesn't look good for your theory.

Yield curve inversions are known to cause recessions;
it's not "my theory".

> yield curve inversions are not Fed-induced. 

You're the only one who (foolishly) thinks that.

So long as people aren't buying too much, inducing inflation,
the Fed can print as much money as it wants, to buy T-bills;
in the future, the Fed will buy stocks too; like this:

  http://Jeff-Relf.Me/The.Feds.Balance.Sheet--WSJ.JPG

Nothing, Nowhere, is safer than a T-bill;
absent the Fed, T-bill rates would be negative.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.19--4.39pm.Seattle.2019
            jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qr3ii4$fkh$1@dont-email.me
          Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  qr3o2j$151$1@gioia.aioe.org
        jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qr3vnu$1vu$1@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.21--7.11am.Seattle.2019
    jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qr6hkg$dk5$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.21--4.07pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 2  m22 Shifty; 5 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Nov 21 {  9:30am, 2019 }:55^(-6)  XЙеt
      Switzerland's central bank buys US stocks.

"jim" replied ( to me ):
> [ The Fed Funds rate follows the T-bill market ]

The Fed controls the T-bill market;
i.e. they can, and do, invert the yield curve.

By the way, Switzerland's central bank buys US stocks,
e.g. Google and Amazon; Japan does something similar;
before long, the Fed will do the same.

3 to 4 years after the Fed starts raising rates, 
the stock market begins to realize that a recession is coming.

Compared to the last recession, this one will be quite mild,
because rates weren't raised much, and were quickly lowered again.

Normally, when not in an obvious recession,
the fed doesn't lower rates, and 
the government doesn't jack-up deficit spending.
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          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.20--4.24pm.Seattle.2019
        HughHuntzinger  e5bfc8e5-e4ae-4ef2-8719-a704ecddbb11@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.21--7.46am.Seattle.2019
    HughHuntzinger  1470cfaf-40a5-4505-8142-b30e8b9eb2ea@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.21--3.47pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 19  m58 Cool; 5.8 Hours, GoogleG, 143.85.5.26,  Nov 21 {  8:48am, 2019 }:17^(PST)  XЙЮH
      No wonder Millennials don't vote.

Hugh Huntzinger wrote:
> There are tax code factors which make [homeownership] 
> more profitable than it may initially appear.  

Today, kids are more of a liability than anything else.
Millennials aren't really into it.

They can barely afford rent; 
estate taxes aren't on the radar.

No wonder they don't vote;
like you, the candidates are oblivious to their concerns.
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          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.20--4.24pm.Seattle.2019
        HughHuntzinger  e5bfc8e5-e4ae-4ef2-8719-a704ecddbb11@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.21--7.46am.Seattle.2019
    SteveCarroll  3a4ff598-31d9-4dd6-9ef2-1191dbb8c0c8@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.21--2.56pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 12  m141 Cool; 6.2 Hours, GoogleG,  Nov 21 {  8:19am, 2019 }:  ^(PST)  XЙЩy
      The world is flowing INTO cities.

Steve Carroll replied ( to me ):
> buying the right house, in the right area,
> beats the hell outta renting.

Butt-Fuck Egypt is no one's ideal location.
Who wants to spend hours a day commuting ?!
The world is flowing INTO cities, not out of them.

Owning a large house is your dad's dream/nightmare;
his adult kids are in the basement, playing video games.

Today, kids are more of a liability than anything else.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.18--11.04pm.Seattle.2019
            jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qr12b1$6fp$1@dont-email.me
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.19--1.06pm.Seattle.2019
        jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qr1o70$e61$1@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.19--4.39pm.Seattle.2019
    jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qr3ii4$fkh$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.21--8.31am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 3  m20 Shifty; 1.1 Days, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Nov 20 {  6:28am, 2019 }:19^(-6)  XЙOБ
      Recessions ALWAYS follow a Fed-induced yield curve inversion.

"jim" replied ( to me ):
> Your claim that the [2008] crash was a result of 
> interest rates going up years earlier seems
> counterfactual to me.

Normally, when not in an obvious recession,
the fed doesn't lower rates, and 
the government doesn't jack-up deficit spending.

Recessions always follow a Fed-induced yield curve inversion.
Always.   http://Jeff-Relf.Me/Sell.PNG

Fed Funds rates started going up mid 2004; 
3.5 years later, late 2007, the crash began.

Were history to (perfectly) repeat, 
the crash would've begun mid-2019.

Rates weren't raised much this time,
and the Fed quickly lowered rates again;
hence the delay, I assume.

> Five years is a long time to imagine you are sitting 
> at the top of a roller coaster.

Warren Buffett was accumulating cash in 2002, 
anticipating the 2008 crash.
And he's doing it again, now.
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      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.20--4.24pm.Seattle.2019
    HughHuntzinger  e5bfc8e5-e4ae-4ef2-8719-a704ecddbb11@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.21--7.46am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 9  m47 Cool; 12.9 Hours, GoogleG, 173.54.111.20,  Nov 20 {  5:12pm, 2019 }:42^(PST)  XЙʄg
      Estate Taxes ?!

Hugh Huntzinger replied ( to me ):
> > "Millennials Should Be Happy They Are Stuck Renting"
> > By A. Gary Shilling, Nov 4, 2019 
> > https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-11-04/millennials-should-be-happy-they-are-stuck-renting
> 
> [ Although renters *claim* ] that renting is cheaper
> than buying, the only way that that is possible is 
> if their landlord is literally losing money on their rental.  

How does one buy a room in shared housing ?
How high are the "condo" fees ?

The smallest houses here, immediately north of 
the University of Washington, north Seattle,
cost a million dollars.

And, no, I don't want to be renting out 
"my" house to complete strangers.

Then there's taxes, maintenance, regulations, 
closing costs, interest payments, insurance, etc.

Landlords take on all the risk, not just the upside;
home prices can fall, leaving one underwater.

> the $11M Estate Tax exemption.

Estate Taxes ?! you must be joking.

The people I know are lucky if they can pay rent,
instead of returning home to mom's basement,
or injecting meth in a tent, with a dog,
and stealing ( with impunity ) left and right.

Were you in touch with today's population, Hugh, you'd 
understand why Gary Shilling is buying (micro) apartments
( in popular areas ).

Presidential candidates should be discussing how to
house undesirables ( who break laws, left and right ),
instead of being worried about _ relative poverty.

You're out of touch.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.19--1.06pm.Seattle.2019
            jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qr1o70$e61$1@dont-email.me
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.19--4.39pm.Seattle.2019
        jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qr3ii4$fkh$1@dont-email.me
      Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  qr3o2j$151$1@gioia.aioe.org
    jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qr3vnu$1vu$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.21--7.11am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m20 Shifty; 19.9 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Nov 20 { 10:13am, 2019 }:17^(-6)  XЙȴɅ
      When the Fed (foolishly) inverts the yield curve.

"jim" replied ( to Sergio ):
> > it seems the fed raised rates too much too fast 2004 to 2007 (one cause
> > of 2008 crash) and economies have a slow response time as it works
> > through the system. I wonder what the Fed assumes that time constant is?
> 
> First of all, all the Fed did was follow
> the market rates for short term Treasury notes.
> Second the evidence does not support your story.

When the Fed (foolishly) inverts the yield curve,
a recession always follows... Always.
It happens years later but, still, it happens.

    http://Jeff-Relf.Me/Sell.PNG

In uncertain times, people move into cash, the US dollar;
so yields drop -- the Fed is powerless to stop it.

Governments love negative interest rates, after inflation,
because it's a wealth tax, like property taxes.
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.20--4.24pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
      Millennials Should Be Happy They Are Stuck Renting

"Millennials Should Be Happy They Are Stuck Renting"
By A. Gary Shilling, Nov 4, 2019 
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-11-04/millennials-should-be-happy-they-are-stuck-renting
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              Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  qqv8gr$1l1t$1@gioia.aioe.org
            jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qqvato$k4e$1@dont-email.me
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.18--9.27pm.Seattle.2019
        Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  qr14f3$2m8$1@gioia.aioe.org
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.19--0.20pm.Seattle.2019
    jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qr1npk$bop$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.19--5.15pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 2  m15 Shifty; 33.8 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Nov 19 {  1:45pm, 2019 }:22^(-6)  XИςγ
      Did Securitization Cause the Mortgage Crisis ?

"jim" replied ( to me ):
> > > https://corpgov.law.harvard.edu/2011/10/19/did-securitization-cause-the-mortgage-crisis/
> > 
> > You couldn't have picked a better link to support my position.
> > Mortgages have been packaged and resold for many decades,
> > long before the 2007 real estate bubble.
> > 
> > The problem was/is: yield chasing.
> 
> One big inaccuracy is the assumption that the bad loans
> originated with banks. 

Q. Did Securitization Cause the Mortgage Crisis ?
A. No, it did not.

Your miss-directions are annoying me, "jim".
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.17--7.07pm.Seattle.2019
            jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qqudc1$u9t$1@dont-email.me
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.18--11.04pm.Seattle.2019
        jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qr12b1$6fp$1@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.19--1.06pm.Seattle.2019
    jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qr1o70$e61$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.19--4.39pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m15 Shifty; 26.7 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Nov 19 {  1:52pm, 2019 }:31^(-6)  XИσН
      "Investors" like "jim".

"jim" replied ( to me ):
> > The value of your pension goes down when the Fed raises
> > short-term interbank rates because money flees
> > the (much) riskier assets in your 401(k) for
> > the safety of the FDIC-insured checking account;
> 
> my pension account has nearly doubled (grown 70%)
> since rates started to go up 5 years ago.

"Investors" like you, "jim",
were saying the same thing back in 2008.

People like you are always the last ones to realize
that you're at the top of the roller coaster,
about to go down.

Warren Buffett is sitting on a mountain of cash,
as is Google, waiting for the bubble to pop.
http://Jeff-Relf.Me/Sell.PNG
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              Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  qqt4kj$1qrf$1@gioia.aioe.org
            jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qqu6o6$m84$2@dont-email.me
          Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  qqv8gr$1l1t$1@gioia.aioe.org
        jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qqvato$k4e$1@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.18--9.27pm.Seattle.2019
    jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qr0p1u$har$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.19--2.17pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m10 Shifty; 15.6 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Nov 19 {  5:  am, 2019 }:45^(-6)  XИʂj
      Moral Hazard.

"jim" replied ( to me ):
> the govt [gave] away $100 billion in profits
> to [defaulting] homeowners.

Talk about moral hazard...
Where does one stand in line to receive these billions ?

> > http://Jeff-Relf.Me/Sell.PNG
> 
> americas-yield-curve-is-no-longer-inverted

Fine, buy S&P 500 EFT's as the economy shrinks;
it's your money.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.17--6.01pm.Seattle.2019
            jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qqt342$gjc$1@dont-email.me
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.18--0.19am.Seattle.2019
        jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qqu6kb$m84$1@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.18--10.12pm.Seattle.2019
    jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qr0u5q$ehq$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.19--2.01pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 2  m13 Shifty; 5.2 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Nov 19 {  6:28am, 2019 }: 9^(-6)  XИʐϷ
      My knowledge benefits me, and only me.

"jim" replied ( to me ):
> > We're in a recession right now; you just don't know it.
> 
> As long as you know it that is all that matters. right ?

Yes, Precisely.  My knowledge benefits me, and only me.
I'm not an influencer, not by any stretch of the imagination.
I can't force you to look at what you don't want to see.

Officially, the previous recession started December 2007;
people like you didn't know about it until December 2008;
I knew about it in 2005, when the Fed started raising rates.

Warren Buffett also knew; 
contrary to what he says, he's quite the market timer.

Gary Shilling's returns were far higher than than Warren Buffett's;
but Gary's assets are privately held -- because he's smarter.
 
> > Instead of renting, they're either living with their parents
> > or camped out in a tent city, with a dog, injecting meth;
> > here, thieving junkies steal with impunity.
> 
> So you are thinkin these people live on interest income 
> and when rates go down their income disappears 
> and they are out in the cold?

What "rates" ?
(safe) savings accounts or (risky) pensions ?

If you don't see these problems, up close and personal,
then you're deaf, dumb, and blind.

> > The loans are continually rolled-over;
> > shadow banks don't have to repay
> > the trillions of $ they received.
> 
> the trillions of $ [shadow banks] receive is
> not coming from the Fed. 

You ignore the recent, growing repo problem.

Look at the Fed's balance sheet, if you dare:

  http://Jeff-Relf.Me/The.Feds.Balance.Sheet..WSJ.JPG

What would happen if the Fed sold its trillion $ positions
in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac ?

> you don't know what a shadow bank is

....he said, looking in the mirror.

  Examples of important components of the shadow 
  banking system include securitization vehicles, 
  asset-backed commercial paper [ABCP] conduits, 
  money market funds, markets for repurchase agreements, 
  investment banks, and mortgage companies.  
  -- Ben Bernanke, Nov 2013

Again: You ignore the recent, growing repo problem.

> > It's "kick the can", not a cleanup.
> 
> more babble nonsense

UnWinding the Fed's balance sheet would be a cleanup;
but that's not happening any time soon;
they tried, 2016-2018, and it failed.

> I have seen no evidence that [ the Fed is ]
> very good at [ altering the real economy ].

They can induce volatility; that's about it.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.17--3.26pm.Seattle.2019
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          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.17--7.07pm.Seattle.2019
        jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qqudc1$u9t$1@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.18--11.04pm.Seattle.2019
    jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qr12b1$6fp$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.19--1.06pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m13 Shifty; 4.1 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Nov 19 {  7:39am, 2019 }:12^(-6)  XИʜΡ
      Look at the Fed's balance sheet.

"jim" replied ( to me ):
> > > > Why is the Fed's balance sheet still 4.5 trillion $ ?
> > >
> > > [ to prevent deflation ]
> >
> > Whenever the Fed attempts to raise rates,
> > more paper-wealth goes up in flames.
> 
> I thought your story said everything
> goes up in flames when the Fed lowers rates.

The value of your pension goes down when the Fed raises 
short-term interbank rates because money flees 
the (much) riskier assets in your 401(k) for 
the safety of the FDIC-insured checking account; 

so you have to work longer for less. 

> > Globally, oversupply is chronic-n-ubiquitous,
> > and savings accounts are evaporating;
> 
> so you imagine but the evidence is to the contrary.

What kind of interest are you getting on your savings account,
after inflation ?

Globally there's an oversupply of products and a lack of 
demand because there aren't enough good jobs to go around. 

If you're a retired Boomer, and 
your adult kids are still at home, playing video games, 
then spending less is your only option. 

Globally, the world is aging; 
people aren't producing enough ("useless") kids. 

That means negative growth, general deflation; 
e.g. an overproduction of gold ( vs. demand ). 

For more, Google "Gary Shilling". 

By the way, the inner-city poor experience wild inflation 
( in the form of rent ) but that's another story.

> > Boomers and their 30-year-old "dependents" are spending less.
> 
> The Fed made them get old and retire.  Is that what happened ?

The population is aging, see:

   http://Jeff-Relf.Me/Global.Fertility.Rates.PNG

> > The Fed "lends" financiers 4.5 trillion $, interest-free,
> > and keeps rolling it over, for as long as they like;
> > hopefully, they won't spend it on hookers.
> 
> That's your story and you're sticking to it.

Look at the Fed's balance sheet, if you dare:

  http://Jeff-Relf.Me/The.Feds.Balance.Sheet..WSJ.JPG

What would happen if the Fed sold its trillion $ positions
in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac ?
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              Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  qqt4kj$1qrf$1@gioia.aioe.org
            jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qqu6o6$m84$2@dont-email.me
          Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  qqv8gr$1l1t$1@gioia.aioe.org
        jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qqvato$k4e$1@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.18--9.27pm.Seattle.2019
    Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  qr14f3$2m8$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.19--0.20pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 2  m7 Shifty; 3.5 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win7, Aioe.ORG,  Nov 19 {  8:15am, 2019 }:27^(-6)  XИʢθ
      People aren't producing enough ("useless") kids.

Sergio wrote:
> I did not read this one yet;
> https://corpgov.law.harvard.edu/2011/10/19/did-securitization-cause-the-mortgage-crisis/

You couldn't have picked a better link to support my position.

Mortgages have been packaged and resold for many decades,
long before the 2007 real estate bubble.

The problem was/is: yield chasing.

The value of your pension goes down when the Fed raises 
short-term interbank rates because money flees 
the (much) riskier assets in your 401(k) for 
the safety of the FDIC-insured checking account; 

so you have to work longer for less. 

Globally there's an oversupply of products and a lack of 
demand because there aren't enough good jobs to go around. 

If you're a retired Boomer, and 
your adult kids are still at home, playing video games, 
then spending less is your only option. 

Globally, the world is aging; 
people aren't producing enough ("useless") kids. 

That means negative growth, general deflation; 
e.g. an overproduction of gold ( vs. demand ). 

For more, Google "Gary Shilling". 

By the way, the inner-city poor experience wild inflation 
( in the form of rent ) but that's another story.

> I was taking a financial Class at major university 
> when 2008 happened, got inside view.

I simulate small banks in a community, it's my job;
I'm a contractor for the ABA ( ABA.COM, "the bankers" ).
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          Kensi  qqvtog$b8v$2@gioia.aioe.org
        ScottDoty  h3hfpuFgiisU1@mid.individual.net
      Kensi  qr05g0$1guk$1@gioia.aioe.org
    Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.383d440d4c2a645714be@news.altopia.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.19--1.12am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m21 Cool; 54.8 Minutes, MicroPlanet, Alt.NET,  Nov 19 {   :13am, 2019 }:41^(-8)  XИɒɥ
      "dark matter" is vacuum energy.

"dark matter" is vacuum energy.

"dark energy" is entropy.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.17--2.12pm.Seattle.2019
            jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qqsiup$74k$1@dont-email.me
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.17--3.26pm.Seattle.2019
        jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qqsqgb$ccb$1@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.17--7.07pm.Seattle.2019
    jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qqudc1$u9t$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.18--11.04pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m7 Shifty; 2.4 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Nov 18 {  7:29am, 2019 }: 3^(-6)  XЗРн
      Boomers and their 30-year-old "dependents".

"jim" replied ( to me ):
> > Why is the Fed's balance sheet still 4.5 trillion $ ?
> 
> [ to prevent deflation ]

Whenever the Fed attempts to raise rates,
more paper-wealth goes up in flames.

Globally, oversupply is chronic-n-ubiquitous,
and savings accounts are evaporating;
so Boomers and their 30-year-old "dependents" are spending less.
       
The Fed "lends" financiers 4.5 trillion $, interest-free,
and keeps rolling it over, for as long as they like;
hopefully, they won't spend it on hookers.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.14--0.38am.Seattle.2019
            jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qqsjtt$e9p$1@dont-email.me
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.17--6.01pm.Seattle.2019
        jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qqt342$gjc$1@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.18--0.19am.Seattle.2019
    jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qqu6kb$m84$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.18--10.12pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 3  m7 Shifty; 4.3 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Nov 18 {  5:34am, 2019 }: 1^(-6)  XЗϽϡ
      We're in a recession right now.

"jim" replied ( to me ):
> > SubPrime renters/borrowers are the first ones
> > to lose income when the Fed tightens.
> > 
> > Anyone tapped into that lucrative market,
> > including myself, pays the price.
> 
> OK I get it. You are a predatory slum lord and
> you are blaming the Fed whenever you can't
> maximize your predatory profits.

No, you give me way too which credit;
I'm a tenant-cum-manager, not a landlord.

When the Fed raises rates, I feel it immediately,
not 3-4 years later, when YOU "discover" it.

We're in a recession right now;
you just don't know it.

I house people at the very bottom of the rental market,
and I'm located just north of the University of Washington,
North Seattle.

A third of my 31 units are vacant;
2008 was the last time this happened.

Instead of renting, they're either living with their parents
or camped out in a tent city, with a dog, injecting meth;
here, thieving junkies steal with impunity.

> > What makes you think "it's different this time" ?
> 
> the [biggest] fools were wiped out in 2008

I wasn't; 2019 is just a replay of 2008.

The players may be different but the game is the same,
and housing is more of a problem now than it ever was;
1930's Hooverville's were less of a problem.

If you have a "child", you know what I mean.

> look at the pictures from the Great Depression

My parents lived in Seattle during the Great Depression;
it wasn't bad at all, they say.

> > How about I give you a trillion dollar "loan",
> > with a negative interest rate,
> > and no requirement to pay it back ?
> 
> How about you stop babbling nonsense.

That's what the central banks are doing.

The loans are continually rolled-over;
shadow banks don't have to repay 
the trillions of $ they received.

It's "kick the can", not a cleanup.

And it works, so long as interest rates never rise.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.17--6.01pm.Seattle.2019
            jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qqt342$gjc$1@dont-email.me
          Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  qqt4kj$1qrf$1@gioia.aioe.org
        jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qqu6o6$m84$2@dont-email.me
      Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  qqv8gr$1l1t$1@gioia.aioe.org
    jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qqvato$k4e$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.18--9.27pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m9 Shifty; 3.7 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Nov 18 {  3:53pm, 2019 }:27^(-6)  XЗჴვ
      Yield Chasing.

"jim" replied ( to Sergio ):
> > securitization caused a major part of the crash in 2008
> 
> That statement is most certainly correct .

No, securitization was already there, well-established,
thanks to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

The dry tinder was subprime mortgages, yield chasing;
it worked well at first, then fell apart.

Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac bought those subprime loans;
to this day, their liabilities exceed their assets.

"jim" will find a way to excuse this, I'm sure,
just like he found a way to ignore this:

  http://Jeff-Relf.Me/Sell.PNG
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          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.14--0.38am.Seattle.2019
        jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qqsjtt$e9p$1@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.17--6.01pm.Seattle.2019
    jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qqt342$gjc$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.18--0.19am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m4 Shifty; 2.3 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Nov 17 {  7:28pm, 2019 }: 1^(-6)  XЗʚϡ
      How about I give you a trillion dollar "loan" ?

"jim" replied ( to me ):
> > SubPrime borrowers/renters work irregular hours, for irregular pay.
> >
> > Normally, SubPrime lending/renting is super-profitable but
> > the shit hits the fan when the Fed raises rates,
> > like 2004-2006, and 2016-2018 -- it's quite predictable.
> 
> A quick google search reveals subprime auto defaults 
> were highest 2009-2011 when interest rates were lowest.

It starts when FedFunds/Repo rates are rising;
years later, as it's being cleaned up, YOU hear about it.

I, on the other hand, knew about it IMMEDIATELY;
and I know it's going to happen again, 
the next time the Fed attempts to raise rates.

SubPrime renters/borrowers are the first ones 
to lose income when the Fed tightens.

Anyone tapped into that lucrative market, 
including myself, pays the price.

> [ 2007 was ] just a classic speculative bubble.

What makes you think "it's different this time" ?

Ignore these facts, if you must:

  http://Jeff-Relf.Me/Sell.PNG

> > Why is the Fed's balance sheet now 4.5 trillion $ ?
> 
> To prevent the type of monetary collapse that
> occurred during the Great Depression.

That's a high price to pay, with little to show for it.

How about I give you a trillion dollar "loan", 
with a negative interest rate, 
and no requirement to pay it back ?

What would you do with the money ?

Travel the world, looking for new sexual exploits ?

Or would you house undesirables ?
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              .  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.17--0.39pm.Seattle.2019
            .  deafb9d9-de99-41e6-85a9-810dfb21a240@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.17--2.12pm.Seattle.2019
        jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qqsiup$74k$1@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.17--3.26pm.Seattle.2019
    jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qqsqgb$ccb$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.17--7.07pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m3 Shifty; 1.3 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Nov 17 {  5:  pm, 2019 }:59^(-6)  XЗʂx
      Why is the Fed's balance sheet still 4.5 trillion $ ?

"jim" replied ( to me ):
> > Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are bankrupt, right ?!
> 
> Ha HA HA   not even close

September 2008, they were taken over by U.S. regulators. 
June 2010, their shares were delisted from the NYSE.
From Sep 2008 to Aug 2012, they took in $190 billion in aid.

> since 2015 it has been a huge source of revenue

They're all better now ?!

Why is the Fed's balance sheet still 4.5 trillion $ ?

That's a lot of money injected into the economy,
with no repayment in sight, while undesirables go UnHoused.

> > They consumed trillions of dollars of repos,
> > issued by the Fed, with no repayment in sight.
> 
> You clearly don't know what a repo is.

Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are shadow banks;
and, like all shadow banks, they rely on repos.

Are you familiar with what's been happening 
to repos lately, and how it's been getting worse ?!
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      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.14--0.38am.Seattle.2019
    jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qqsjtt$e9p$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.17--6.01pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m2 Shifty; 21.4 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Nov 17 {  3: 8pm, 2019 }:44^(-6)  XЗɯʤ
      SubPrime borrowers/renters work irregular hours, for irregular pay.

Who are you, SJ "jim" Edging ?!  
AnonLinuxUser ? Mr. Man-Wai Chang ?

"jim" replied ( to me ):
> > Talk about interest rate sensitivity...
> > the Fed raises their rates a bit, 2016-2018,
> > and we get a 20% default rate on subprime auto loans.
> 
> The Fed fund rate has nothing to do with subprime auto loans.

SubPrime borrowers/renters work irregular hours, for irregular pay.

Normally, SubPrime lending/renting is super-profitable but 
the shit hits the fan when the Fed raises rates, 
like 2004-2006, and 2016-2018 -- it's quite predictable.

Why is the Fed's balance sheet now 4.5 trillion $ ?

That's a lot of money injected into the economy,
with no repayment in sight, while undesirables go UnHoused.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.14--0.38am.Seattle.2019
            HerbertGlazier  0572f081-2458-48c4-8d80-8731168d3514@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.17--0.39pm.Seattle.2019
        HerbertGlazier  deafb9d9-de99-41e6-85a9-810dfb21a240@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.17--2.12pm.Seattle.2019
    jim│sjedgingNOSp@m@mwt_net  qqsiup$74k$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.17--3.26pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m1 Shifty; 1.3 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Nov 17 {  2:52pm, 2019 }: 8^(-6)  XЗɬ϶
      Bankrupt Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

"jim" replied ( to me ):
> > Shadow banks, and failed government programs,
> > such as Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, are the ones
> > who gave-out imprudent loans.
> 
> That is False
> There is no funding source for mortgages that has
> ever done better than Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac
> at picking loans that did not lose money.

Yet they're bankrupt, right ?!

They consumed trillions of dollars of repos,
issued by the Fed, with no repayment in sight.

They issued interest-rate sensitive, adjustable-rate 
mortgages, and they (unknowingly) purchased bad loans.
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        HerbertGlazier  ffc3a06d-49d6-4662-8ff8-b705fbe4cb4e@googlegroups.com
      BenJacoby  qqq8pf$16np$2@gioia.aioe.org
    HerbertGlazier  89faa646-3229-48f0-b560-831c88e94af9@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.17--2.19pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 6  m137 Cool; 19.4 Hours, GoogleG, 74.118.32.5,  Nov 16 {  6:30pm, 2019 }:46^(PST)  XЖЗk
      A million dollars is enough to rent the servants' quarters.

bert wrote:
> Swiss might give me a free Villa if I deposit my $$$$ there.

A million dollars is enough to rent the servants' quarters.
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          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.14--0.38am.Seattle.2019
        HerbertGlazier  0572f081-2458-48c4-8d80-8731168d3514@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.17--0.39pm.Seattle.2019
    HerbertGlazier  deafb9d9-de99-41e6-85a9-810dfb21a240@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.17--2.12pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 12  m137 Cool; 33.4 Minutes, GoogleG, 74.118.32.5,  Nov 17 {  1:23pm, 2019 }:16^(PST)  XЗɝъ
      America ignores the old, the young, the weak.

Bert wrote:
> Banks put jobless families out on the street.

Not FDIC insured banks, not ABA banks 
( American Bankers Association ).

Shadow banks, and failed government programs,
such as Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, 
are the ones who gave-out imprudent loans.

America ignores the old, the young, the weak,
the insane, and the drug addicted.

Jacking up the stock market, using 4.5 trillion $ of 
"quantitative easing" isn't going to house "undesirables"
(strays).
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      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.14--0.38am.Seattle.2019
    HerbertGlazier  0572f081-2458-48c4-8d80-8731168d3514@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.17--0.39pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 29  m134 Cool; 1.2 Hours, GoogleG, 74.118.32.5,  Nov 17 { 10:48am, 2019 }:30^(PST)  XЗȺU
      Weed weed, or pot ?

Bert wrote:
> M&M now in weed-wacking business.

Weed weed, or pot ?

> My van saves me $2,750 + each month.

You could save even more if you robbed banks too,
instead of just squatting/trespassing.

> Here's to looking up a grass skirt.  

Today's women don't tolerate that.

They'll post nude pics to Instagram, 
but they don't want to smell your stinky-ass.
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.14--0.38am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
      Interest Rate Sensitivity.

Talk about interest rate sensitivity...
the Fed raises their rates a bit, 2016-2018, 
and we get a 20% default rate on subprime auto loans.

The same thing happened before, 2004-2006, 
the last time the Fed (foolishly) tried that, 
but with subprime mortgages.

In a tale as old as time, "wolves" devoure the weak;
Darwin won't be cheated.

Ironically, wildly-expensive government "handouts" 
( e.g. the 4.5 trillion $ in repos the Fed gave shadow banks )
are the most efficient killing machines ever devised.
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        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.8--5.24am.Seattle.2019
      The_Starmaker│starmaker@ix_  5DC5B5FC.630E@ix.netcom.com
    MrChrisV  c5dlsetclf9lsa4v8nvi0cs216j7j1r013@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.12--9.08am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m76 Dropped; 2.7 Hours, F_Agent, HighWinds➤Fastusenet.ORG,  Nov 12 {  5:40am, 2019 }:27^(-6)  XГϾЙ
      High-speed Trains to nowhere.

ChrisV wrote:
> [ totalitarian governments accomplish more ]

Marxist China built high-speed trains to nowhere,
and colossal ghost towns, now crumbling.
How many tons of nails must we produce this year, Comrade ?

Karl Marx impregnated his maid and abandoned the child.

It won't be long before China wakes up and chooses 
Taiwan's diversity over the mainland's insularity.
Porn/YouTube will break down the wall.

"Family Values" will become a thing of the past,
and they'll be forced to house "undesirables" (strays).
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              .  qq290s$ukm$1@gioia.aioe.org
            .  qq2u7c$1pbg$3@gioia.aioe.org
          .  h2kd7sFd7erU2@mid.individual.net
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.8--6.34am.Seattle.2019
      Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  ep1bseh5864g4fp50lbtkb7cinqsbf0i7b@4ax.com
    ScottDoty  h2lonsFghecU5@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.8--10.35am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m39 Cool; 12.3 Minutes, Pan, Individual.NET,  Nov  8 {  9:59am, 2019 }:24  XБxგ
      Overturning the concordance model of cosmology.

Scott Doty wrote:
> Then you measure [ the Hubble constant ] in the local neighborhood.
> This is a measurement closer to "now", and low and behold, 
> the CC is showing accelerated expansion.

You can't measure the Hubble constant "in the local neighborhood";
3 million light years is the minimum distance, from here.

Also, the acceleration is accelerating -- "The Big Rip";
" dark energy is getting stronger as the universe ages. ".

> Do you freakin' get it now?

I know Greg got it wrong, he always does;
people like him can't fathom entropy.
He can't work out the difference between eXergy and energy.

Nevertheless, he cited a _ very important study;
Guido Risaliti, and many others, are
overturning the concordance model of cosmology.
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              .  qq28fj$ku0$3@dont-email.me
            .  qq290s$ukm$1@gioia.aioe.org
          .  qq2u7c$1pbg$3@gioia.aioe.org
        .  h2kd7sFd7erU2@mid.individual.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.8--6.34am.Seattle.2019
    Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  ep1bseh5864g4fp50lbtkb7cinqsbf0i7b@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.8--10.07am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m18 Dropped; 2.2 Hours, F_Agent, Alt.NET,  Nov  8 {  7:24am, 2019 }:12^(-5)  XБYC
      "The Big Rip" is replacing the concordance model, Lambda-CDM.

Greg replied ( to me ):
> What the new research, using quasar lensing to pull in
> very distant galaxies and mathematical formula, is that
> the Hubble constant *becomes smaller* with distance.

Right, the Hubble constant is smallest at the CMBR,
at the start of the Big Bang, and grows larger with time.
22 billion years from now, it'll be infinite.

> It remains to be seen if the slowing is enough 
> to eventually grind the expansion to a halt;
> so a static (or even contracting) universe results.

Quoting "Futurism.COM", January 2019:

  The new readings indicate that objects in the universe 
  aren’t just [ accelerating away ], 
  but are doing so at a quickening pace. 

  According to [ Guido Risaliti ], this suggests that 
  dark energy is getting stronger as the universe ages.

Look it up, if you dare.
"The Big Rip" is replacing the concordance model, Lambda-CDM.
That's big news, and I knew about it many years ago.

Our Universe is going from infinitely  hot/dense  to infinitely  cold/sparse.
"God" (nature) programmed us to ride this wave 
( i.e. to sustainably consume residual eXergy ), same as the sun.
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              Kensi  qq01fr$ih5$1@gioia.aioe.org
            Ken_Burgess│kbwc1954@gmail_com  39f87b1989cd81944fa4e9569b8326a1@dizum.com
          MsNadegda  qq28fj$ku0$3@dont-email.me
        BenJacoby  qq290s$ukm$1@gioia.aioe.org
      Kensi  qq2u7c$1pbg$3@gioia.aioe.org
    ScottDoty  h2kd7sFd7erU2@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.8--6.34am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m4 Cool; 7.8 Hours, Pan, Individual.NET,  Nov  7 {  9:37pm, 2019 }:    XАжy
      22 billion years from now, the Hubble "constant" will be infinite.

Scott Doty replied ( to Kensi ):
> > Go pester someone else with your dark energy questions.
> 
> Greg thinks cosmology is where he gets his hair done.

No, Greg's "dark energy" (entropy) post was up-to-date,
and it backs-up what I've been saying for years now.

"The Big Rip" is replacing the concordance model, Lambda-CDM;
22 billion years from now, the Hubble "constant" will be infinite.

Quoting "Futurism.COM", January 2019:

  Guido Risaliti and a colleague at Durham University laid out 
  the provocative observations in a new paper published in 
  the prestigious journal "Nature Astronomy". 

  The duo examined x-ray and ultraviolet data from 
  telescopes pointed at nearly two thousand quasars, 
  which are huge black holes that spit out epic beams of energy.

  What they found was surprising. 

  The new readings indicate that objects in the universe 
  aren’t just [ accelerating away ], 
  but are doing so at a quickening pace. 

  According to the researchers, this suggests that 
  dark energy is getting stronger as the universe ages.


Today's black holes are nothing like they used to be.

12.5 billion years ago, quasar J2157-3602 had
the luminosity of 695 trillion suns ( 2.66×10^41 Watts ).

695 trillion suns.

Lambda, the cosmological "constant", is growing.

In physics, entropy is how evenly  heat/matter  are distributed.
Our  hot/dense  sun evaporates into the  cold/sparse  vacuum,
losing 4.3 million tons each second.

Our Universe is going from infinitely  hot/dense  to infinitely  cold/sparse.
"God" (nature) programmed us to ride this wave 
( i.e. to sustainably consume residual eXergy ), same as the sun.
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.8--5.24am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
      China is shrinking.

Money melts in hot tropical climates.
Mild climates, like Seattle and San Francisco, foster
companies like Boeing, Microsoft, Starbucks, and Amazon.

From impoverished farmhands to "the best of the best",
America accepts millions of eager immigrants;
so its populace is growing while China is shrinking.

It won't be long before China is
as old, fat, and lazy as America.

China's "family values" will soon be a thing of the past,
and they too will have to house millions of "undesirables"
(strays).

America's culture is extremely diverse/widespread/popular,
not just Marxist ( Karl Marx impregnated his maid );
China won't even let its serfs surf YouTube.
■
        Commander_Kinsey│CFKinsey  op.0awj1o2cwdg98l@glass
      Carlos_E_R_│robin_listas@es_  h2jl1rF9r57U2@mid.individual.net
    Commander_Kinsey│CFKinsey  op.0awuchn5wdg98l@glass
Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.7--7.41pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Alt.Computer.Workshop
    ╱ 2  m15 Cool; 2.9 Hours, operaMail➤Win32, Alt.NET,  Nov  7 {  4:30pm, 2019 }: 7^(0)  XАϳ7
      I change webpages on the fly, manually.

Kinsey wrote:
> How hard can it be to run whatever the ad requests, 
> and ONLY omit the actual display on the screen ?

This hard:

  Jeff-Relf.Me/userContent.CSS.TXT
  Jeff-Relf.Me/Firefox_NoScript.PNG

Much of it is specific to each URL.
I change webpages on the fly, manually; most cannot.
■
              Char_Jackson│none@none_invalid  huv1selaibgel7snuou9dovs54s7aatv2j@4ax.com
            VanguardLH│V@nguard_LH  1heguszhr4tcx.dlg@v.nguard.lh
          Char_Jackson│none@none_invalid  5v14seld15uvvuent0bv6hnjt0im0se1vi@4ax.com
        VanguardLH│V@nguard_LH  5ax116hti57p$.dlg@v.nguard.lh
      Char_Jackson│none@none_invalid  6cf4sehcpf8t66ad8j64mg05np3ehoa3g9@4ax.com
    VanguardLH│V@nguard_LH  19pjl020zvyj5.dlg@v.nguard.lh
Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.7--7.22pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10
    ╱ 5  m42 Cool; 1.3 Days, 40tude, Individual.NET,  Nov  6 { 11:33am, 2019 }:51^(-6)  XϿщϗ
      For privacy, binary servers expire the "Path:" line.

For privacy, binary servers expire the "Path:" line.
■
Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.6--1.53pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
      Shadow banks, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, are scary zombies.

Last 40 years, all over the world, 
money has been steadily, predictably,
moving into the US dollar; specifically,
into 30 year T-bonds, looking for a safe haven.

Fed wonks had nothing to do with it;
they own 1.4% of the 41 Trillion U.S. Bond Market.
Shadow banks, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, are scary zombies.

Global OverSupply is real.
OverSupply of high-income housing is real; especially in 
Australia and Canada, as money flees Hong Kong.

UnderSupply of low-income housing is real;
kids are sleeping on the streets, like stray dogs.

Trump's (backwards) "solution" is trade tariffs;
apparently, he's never heard of the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act.

Elizabeth Warren's "solution" is to seize the assets 
of the wealthiest ( i.e. baby boomers ) and 
hand it to the poorest ( millennials ).
■
              NY│me@privacy_invalid  qpsc9t$d1l$1@dont-email.me
            Char_Jackson│none@none_invalid  3cf3sehumhgq72gobds10uocpomigukosk@4ax.com
          NY│me@privacy_invalid  qpsgt4$a5j$1@dont-email.me
        Ken_Blake│ken@invalidemail_com  h2e5keF5bp3U2@mid.individual.net
      PeeScent  clpdkq.vkr.17.1@news.alt.net
    Mark_Lloyd│not@mail_invalid  g6DwF.3205$yS5.3172@fx22.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.6--0.36pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m3 Shifty; 2.9 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤X11, HighWinds➤Newshosting.COM,  Nov  6 {  9: 8am, 2019 }:28^(-6)  XϿбʔ
      Mark Lloyd is less literate than PeeScent.

Mark Lloyd replied ( to PeeScent ):
> > common saying in canada ,
> > things flying left and right ,
> > people running left and right ,
> > cars coming left and right
> 
> All of those are situations where "different directions" make sense. 
> "Downloading left and right" isn't.

In my book, that makes you more illiterate then PeeScent;
something I would not have thought possible, up until now.
PeeScent dropped out of 4th grade and has yet to catch up.

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=left+and+right

  I went fishing yesterday and nailled bass left and right.

  Last night there were hotties in the club left and right.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/left+and+right

  -- in a very quick and uncontrolled way 

       She has been spending money left and right.

  -- in all directions 

      He was calling out names left and right. 
      The police were stopping cars left and right.
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              nospam│nospam@nospam_invalid  041120190942094682%nospam@nospam.invalid
            Char_Jackson│none@none_invalid  mok0sedpfkpcuqkgmo1rkko5a50bqbfvnv@4ax.com
          Ken_Blake│ken@invalidemail_com  h2babjFhhp6U2@mid.individual.net
        Paul│nospam@needed_invalid  qpq1rj$58i$1@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.4--1.53pm.Seattle.2019
    Lucifer│LuciferMorningstar  dm92se1d43b7bq4d123ul51clr14dl34k0@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.5--1.30am.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m12 Cool; 1.6 Hours, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Nov  4 { 11:39pm, 2019 }: 7^(11)  XϾъΜ
      Canadian Peso, Australian Yuan, and/or Hong Kong Pound.

Morningstar replied ( to me ):
> > Individual.NET ( 12$/Year ) 
> 
> What do you mean when you put the $ after the number
> instead of where it should be ?

Whenever you see the $ symbol, think: 
Canadian Pesos, Australian Yuan, and/or Hong Kong Lbs.
■
              Char_Jackson│none@none_invalid  m8euretrkjs9nfqgj3o4isno2t9seij0ds@4ax.com
            Neil│neil@myplaceofwork_com  qpog7s$42q$1@dont-email.me
          nospam│nospam@nospam_invalid  041120190942094682%nospam@nospam.invalid
        Char_Jackson│none@none_invalid  mok0sedpfkpcuqkgmo1rkko5a50bqbfvnv@4ax.com
      Ken_Blake│ken@invalidemail_com  h2babjFhhp6U2@mid.individual.net
    Paul│nospam@needed_invalid  qpq1rj$58i$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.4--1.53pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m107 Top; 36.5 Minutes, Ratcatcher/2_0_0_25, Eternal-September.ORG,  Nov  4 {   :31pm, 2019 }:47^(-5)  XϾζɫ
      Downloading 10 GigaByte videos, left and right.

INN servers, particularly Individual.NET ( 12$/Year ), 
are the best way to update text-only newsgroups.

Binary servers ( Usenet-News.NET, BlockNews.NET )
are far cheaper then Individual.NET, 
because 5 $ lasts a lifetime, and they don't censor you.

When it comes to posting, only a binary server will do.
                   
Binary servers have no "xRef:" lines,
and Article Numbers are often useless there.

Also, newsgroups aren't always updated immediately;
sometimes there's a long lag, despite the fact that a peer
( e.g. Individual.NET ) always gets your posts immediately.

My custom-built newsreader,  Jeff-Relf.Me/X.HTM,
keeps track of recently used message IDs, not Article Numbers; 
so switching servers is painless, no need to re-download newsgroups.

My score file looks like this:  Jeff-Relf.Me/Nyms.HTM

Thunderbird is a fork of Firefox;,
so it's _ extremely configurable to someone like me
who's comfortable writing CSS ( to alter the user interface,
webpages, and emails ) and JavaScript extensions.

For me, it's nothing to pop into The Inspector and alter shit.

By the way, Business Class Internet is the cheapest way
to get (truly) unlimited gigabytes.
Downloading 10 GigaByte videos, left and right, is nothing to me.
■
              JimPennino  ltoo8g-fdo.ln1@mail.specsol.com
            EdProchak  51045a90-32bd-408a-92c8-e7091d3f0af6@googlegroups.com
          nuny@bid_nes│alien8752@gmail_  ea29b9db-c730-475a-9242-bec003bede0b@googlegroups.com
        EdProchak  72da32a5-f35f-4d99-adfa-06a1c2391ee7@googlegroups.com
      nuny@bid_nes│alien8752@gmail_  f2dab6e2-f2c7-49c6-b5b1-5090d7fab3ce@googlegroups.com
    EdProchak  8e1f58c6-8bd6-428d-8166-36f1dba90cff@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.4--0.40am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 6  m17 Cool; 9 Hours, GoogleG, 72.16.96.162,  Nov  3 {  3:19pm, 2019 }:50^(PST)  XϽჯɮ
      Help Multi-Millionaires build mansions in a tinderbox.

The world will not surrender its sovereignty to 
help multi-millionaires build mansions in a tinderbox.
■
              SamWormley  8d9ba42b-701b-46b6-a5e0-934f052f913a@googlegroups.com
            nuny@bid_nes│alien8752@gmail_  523d21b6-2590-4db9-ab66-db6ca9856501@googlegroups.com
          JimPennino  ltoo8g-fdo.ln1@mail.specsol.com
        EdProchak  51045a90-32bd-408a-92c8-e7091d3f0af6@googlegroups.com
      nuny@bid_nes│alien8752@gmail_  ea29b9db-c730-475a-9242-bec003bede0b@googlegroups.com
    EdProchak  72da32a5-f35f-4d99-adfa-06a1c2391ee7@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.1--10.54am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10
    ╱ 4  m11 Cool; 23.5 Hours, GoogleG, 65.36.54.181,  Oct 31 { 11:16am, 2019 }:19^(PDT)  XϻмБ
      The super-wealthy encroaching on national forests.

California's fires are a direct result of the super-wealthy encroaching
on national forests -- it's their problem, not mine.

And, no, your Climate Apocalypse Cult has nothing to do with physics.
■
Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.1--10.37am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10
      The goal falls short of the reach.

  No one to follow, nothing to teach,
  except: " The goal falls short of the reach. ".
 
  -- Leonard Cohen, 2016, shortly before he died, age 82,
     from "Thanks for the Dance", to be released November 22, 2019.

Cohen loved all religions.

Like Jesus, he had a special love for the homeless and downtrodden.
He was penniless at age 65, after a "friend" had stolen everything
when he was in the monastery 1994-1999.

Right from the start, he didn't care about money;
so, naturally, he died rich and famous, age 82.
■
              nuny@bid_nes│alien8752@gmail_  523d21b6-2590-4db9-ab66-db6ca9856501@googlegroups.com
            JimPennino  ltoo8g-fdo.ln1@mail.specsol.com
          EdProchak  51045a90-32bd-408a-92c8-e7091d3f0af6@googlegroups.com
        nuny@bid_nes│alien8752@gmail_  ea29b9db-c730-475a-9242-bec003bede0b@googlegroups.com
      EdProchak  72da32a5-f35f-4d99-adfa-06a1c2391ee7@googlegroups.com
    nuny@bid_nes│alien8752@gmail_  f2dab6e2-f2c7-49c6-b5b1-5090d7fab3ce@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.1--2.43am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 2  m17 Cool; 2.9 Hours, GoogleG, 172.242.254.97,  Oct 31 { 11:36pm, 2019 }:56^(PDT)  Xϼȸu
      Multi-Millionaires who build homes next to national forests.

The world will not surrender its sovereignty to bailout
multi-millionaires who build homes next to national forests.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.30--9.45pm.Seattle.2019
            ScottDoty  h1v8e7FnapU4@mid.individual.net
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.31--4.49am.Seattle.2019
        ScottDoty  h20gorFnapU13@mid.individual.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.31--10.21am.Seattle.2019
    ScottDoty  h20lgmFnapU17@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.31--6.09pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Checkmate, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 6  m44 Cool; 7.1 Hours, Pan, Individual.NET,  Oct 31 { 10:55am, 2019 }:34  Xϻйɞ
      Scott's 5 inch "leash".

Scott Doty replied ( to me ):
> > I can't imagine what an itchy/burning brain feels like, sorry.
> > Your Engrish lacks eloquence.
> 
> it feels exactly like having jock itch of the brain
> hope you don't have a fungus

My brain is in my head, not between my legs.

You're the one who lets a woman drag you 
around by your 5 inch "leash", not me.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.26--11.04pm.Seattle.2019
            Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  h1kqvoFq7fgU1@mid.individual.net
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.30--9.45pm.Seattle.2019
        ScottDoty  h1v8e7FnapU4@mid.individual.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.31--4.49am.Seattle.2019
    ScottDoty  h20gorFnapU13@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.31--10.21am.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Checkmate, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m41 Cool; 18.7 Minutes, Pan, Individual.NET,  Oct 31 {  9:34am, 2019 }:35  XϻЫС
      An itchy/burning brain ?

Scott Doty replied ( to me ):
> When you write these, does your brain itch ?

I can't imagine what an itchy/burning brain feels like, sorry.

Your Engrish lacks eloquence.
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          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.26--11.04pm.Seattle.2019
        Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  h1kqvoFq7fgU1@mid.individual.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.30--9.45pm.Seattle.2019
    ScottDoty  h1v8e7FnapU4@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.31--4.49am.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Checkmate, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10
    +-, 6.7 Hours, Pan, Individual.NET,  Oct 30 { 10: 6pm, 2019 }:15  XϻʫF
      No one is dragging TechLead around by his leash/penis.

Scott Doty replied ( to me ):
> > TechLead's ex-wife bailed on him, taking "his" kid to Japan,
> > when she realized she wouldn't get his (substantial) inheritance;
> > so, now, he's sad because no one is dragging him around by his
> > leash/penis.
> 
> when you write these do you smell something burning ?

Your house ?
■
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.26--11.04pm.Seattle.2019
    Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  h1kqvoFq7fgU1@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.30--9.45pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10
      No one is dragging TechLead around by his leash/penis.

TechLead's ex-wife bailed on him, taking "his" kid to Japan,
when she realized she wouldn't get his (substantial) inheritance;
so, now, he's sad because no one is dragging him around by his leash/penis.

It's why the "fertility rate" ( births per woman per lifetime ) 
is so low today, in the modern world -- it's why GDP growth is so low;
and it explains why nominal interest rates are below zero; 
and why you see temp workers not getting ( nor wanting ) hours 
as their rents go up 7 percent each year, for 10 years, in Seattle,
putting them out on the streets, making them thieving junkies,
unwanted and detached, like rabid, stray dogs.
■
              MsNadegda  qp0lta$pbk$6@dont-email.me
            Checkmate_│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.381e7da2e538ecfc1282@news.altopia.com
          MsNadegda  qp2se6$5ts$4@dont-email.me
        Checkmate_│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.381ea52b1b72ab91128a@news.altopia.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.27--3.00pm.Seattle.2019
    Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  mj5crelak2ddf2s7f74lr5umhd8hbftq6v@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.27--4.01pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Talk.Politics.Guns, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m48 Dropped; 16 Minutes, F_Agent, Alt.NET,  Oct 27 {  3:16pm, 2019 }:35^(-4)  XϹɦС
      You can't be rich without poor people.

Greg replied ( to me ):
> > If Ms Nadegda is unhappy with the weather in Arizona, 
> > she should move to Seattle, where it's milder.
> > Same goes for those living in hurricane alley.
> 
> I'd rather brave severe weather than
> piles of excrement-n-needles on the streets.

Examining the numbers, I believe Gary Shilling is right:

  We're in a recession right now,
  but it'll be over in a year or two.

A year from now, they'll say that the recession began July 2019;
for me, it began a year before then, thanks to artificially high rates.

Officially, it'll end when short-term rates hit 0 (Zero),
a more _ natural yield curve.

Besides:  You can't be rich without poor people.
■
              MsNadegda  qp0lta$pbk$6@dont-email.me
            Checkmate_│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.381e7da2e538ecfc1282@news.altopia.com
          MsNadegda  qp2se6$5ts$4@dont-email.me
        Checkmate_│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.381ea52b1b72ab91128a@news.altopia.com
      Kensi  qp33t5$1nsr$2@gioia.aioe.org
    Checkmate_│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.381ec66a29c9075e1291@news.altopia.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.27--3.29pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Talk.Politics.Guns, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m27 Cool; 16.6 Hours, MicroPlanet, Alt.NET➤NET-Abuse.Checkmate,  Oct 26 { 10: 9pm, 2019 }:38^(-7)  Xϸбσ
      The "Green New Deal".

Isn't the "Green New Deal" the one where
everyone has to suck Kensi's clit ?
■
      Kensi  qp33oj$1nsr$1@gioia.aioe.org
    Checkmate_│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.381ec389825c0849128d@news.altopia.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.27--3.22pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Talk.Politics.Guns, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 3  m27 Cool; 16.8 Hours, MicroPlanet, Alt.NET➤NET-Abuse.Checkmate,  Oct 26 {  9:57pm, 2019 }:17^(-7)  XϸЯΧ
      Fuck Fox Island.

Checkmate replied ( to Kensi ):
> > Fox Island is sinking into Chesapeake Bay.
> > ( Take climate change seriously ! )
> 
> This doesn't bode well for Hussein and Michael O'Bummer's
> new $15 million dollar mansion on Martha's Vineyard...
> what were they thinking ?

Kensi and Michelle Obama want the entire world 
to surrender their sovereignty so they can enjoy 
their ( newly built ) beachfront property in peace.
■
              Kensi  qp0fb2$2hv$1@gioia.aioe.org
            Checkmate_│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.381d6721b5b2baed127c@news.altopia.com
          MsNadegda  qp0lta$pbk$6@dont-email.me
        Checkmate_│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.381e7da2e538ecfc1282@news.altopia.com
      MsNadegda  qp2se6$5ts$4@dont-email.me
    Checkmate_│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.381ea52b1b72ab91128a@news.altopia.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.27--3.00pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Talk.Politics.Guns, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 5  m27 Cool; 19 Hours, MicroPlanet, Alt.NET➤NET-Abuse.Checkmate,  Oct 26 {  7:47pm, 2019 }:45^(-7)  XϸЙყ
      A simpler solution.

If Ms Nadegda is unhappy with the weather in Arizona, 
she should move to Seattle, where it's milder.
Same goes for those living in hurricane alley.
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.26--11.04pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
      Change-My-View...

Change-My-View:

  (1) Any attempt to artificially raise short-term
      rates soon fails because a recession ensues.

  (2) Long-Term Interest Rates are market-driven,
      the Fed can't alter them.

  (3) Last 40 years, no one has generated a higher return
      than Gary Shilling, buying Zero-Coupon 30-year T-Bonds.
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          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.23--1.06am.Seattle.2019
        JohnGohde  60488f69-5e9e-40b3-b70d-b4ff9491e3f0@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.23--5.10am.Seattle.2019
    Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  tlg1re9dnfm6r4no39bjms9tkssdhb8m7b@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.23--4.48pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m35 Dropped; 1.8 Hours, F_Agent, Alt.NET,  Oct 23 {  2:17pm, 2019 }: 9^(-4)  X϶νу
      Our "blood" (cash) isn't circulating properly.

Greg replied ( to me ):
> > Grandmas are getting tossed into the street;
> > so an honest account of the _ true _ inflation rate
> > would be a good place to start. 
> 
> Since when is it the right thing to do for families
> to allow their grannies to be tossed out onto the streets ?
> 
> Instead of taxpayers footing the bill,
> how about making the families do so ?

Right, this is why you don't see tent cities in China or Japan;
Confucianism and Taoism still hold sway there.

Seattle, on the other hand, is a hippie town, like San Francisco;
so the word "family" has little meaning.

> > Our "blood" ( cash, "The Velocity of MZM" ) 
> > isn't circulating properly; it's been dropping ever since 1981; see:
> >     http://Jeff-Relf.Me/The.Velocity.of.MZM.PNG
> 
> It's morality and family values that've become increasingly feeble;
> socialism is destroying the them. 

True, it produces what I call "stray dogs", detachment.

However, not everyone wants to join the "Soviet/Chinese" religion,
nor the "Climate Apocalypse" cult, nor Mormonism, nor hedonism,
nor Alcoholics Anonymous, nor the "family values" bandwagon.
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      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.23--1.06am.Seattle.2019
    Simon_the_Senior│john_h_gohde  60488f69-5e9e-40b3-b70d-b4ff9491e3f0@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.23--5.10am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m50 Dropped; 2.4 Hours, GoogleG, 96.238.176.170,  Oct 23 {  2:14am, 2019 }:40^(PDT)  X϶ɜʠ
      Grandmas are getting tossed into the street.

John Gohde wrote:
> Seattle City Council takes aim at its 
> homeless "navigation" (cleanup) team. 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsUNq5o_jvQ
> The IMMORAL LEFT only want polices that fail miserably.

Right before your income is too low to pay rent,
the 6.8% annual increase in rents ( 2010-2018, Seattle )
is your inflation rate -- not the 1.2% increase that 
the government gives you, when you're on Social Security.

Grandmas are getting tossed into the street;
so an honest account of the _ true _ inflation rate
would be a good place to start. 

Besides that, we need "Soviet" housing AND/OR "Nazi" police.

Like I said, our society is becoming ever more feeble:

  "The Velocity of MZM" ( circulating cash ), 
  is a measure of vitality, stamina, and youth;
  and it's been going down ever since 1981; see:

      http://Jeff-Relf.Me/The.Velocity.of.MZM.PNG
      http://Jeff-Relf.Me/Global.Fertility.Rates.PNG
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.23--1.06am.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
      "The Velocity of MZM" ( circulating cash ).

"The Velocity of MZM" ( circulating cash ), 
is a measure of vitality, stamina, and youth;
and it's been going down ever since 1981; see:
    http://Jeff-Relf.Me/The.Velocity.of.MZM.PNG

It's worse in Europe and Japan ( compared to America );
it's better in Utah, due to its high "Fertility Rate".
    http://Jeff-Relf.Me/Global.Fertility.Rates.PNG

Once upon a time, a young man was happy to
spend money on "his" wife and kids,
and money changed hands quickly.

Today, this is no longer true, because battle-axes
take "your" income, your dignity, and "your" kids.
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.20--0.12pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
      Charlie Munger, Feb 14, 2019.

  Invest only where you have that extra knowledge.
  If that gets you a few opportunities, that’s enough.  
     -- Charlie Munger, born January 1, 1924.

  You laugh, you young people, but you're going to live 
  to wish Nancy Pelosi and Donald Trump were immortal.  
  -- Charlie Munger, Feb 14, 2019.
     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1Oi3esiry8
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              melzzzzz│mel@melzzzzz_com  qo8lsp$rpv$1@news.albasani.net
            AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  qo8rh9$ivo$1@dont-email.me
          melzzzzz│mel@melzzzzz_com  qo8sbo$1hu$1@news.albasani.net
        AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  qoa3td$bo4$1@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.17--11.14am.Seattle.2019
    AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  qob6u6$e11$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.17--10.12pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m28 Cool; 2.7 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Oct 17 {  7:10pm, 2019 }:15^(-6)  XϲГϽ
      "Soviet" housing and/or "Nazi" police.

AnonLinuxUser replied ( to me ):
> > Pockets of depression, tent cities.
> 
> You are pretty much living in a communist city now!

In "communist" countries dissidents are squashed, 
but housing is free.  

Seattle has plenty of dissidents but little housing.

> Everything has changed over there... finally, sanity.

Federal, state, and local governments are all 
lying about the inflation rate of the urban poor 
( where rent exceeds one's income ) -- it's not 1.2%.

Being honest about that would be a good start,
as would "Soviet" housing and/or "Nazi" police.
■
              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.16--2.32pm.Seattle.2019
            BenJacoby  qo8d1h$96q$4@gioia.aioe.org
          melzzzzz│mel@melzzzzz_com  qo8lsp$rpv$1@news.albasani.net
        AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  qo8rh9$ivo$1@dont-email.me
      melzzzzz│mel@melzzzzz_com  qo8sbo$1hu$1@news.albasani.net
    AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  qoa3td$bo4$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.17--11.14am.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 4  m93 Cool; 29.5 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Oct 17 {  9:12am, 2019 }:27^(-6)  XϲʢR
      Pockets of depression, tent cities.

Communist Serbia abused dissenters.

Trump may be our "Deadbeat in Chief" but at least we don't 
crack down on dissenters as much as Russian/Chinese gangsters.

America entered a recession August, 2019, I think.
The consumer Price Index _ wildly _ understates 
the inflation rate of poor urbanites.

Rent defines the inflation rate for people on fixed incomes, 
part-time workers with few benefits, and contractors with no benefits.

At some point, this "stealth" inflation makes it so that
one can no longer pay rent; depression sets in, 
and one is removed from society, and placed in a shelter.

For these people, the recession/depression has been 
going on for a long, long time -- hard and strong.
Pockets of depression, tent cities.

Hoping to cash in on this misery, Democrats are drooling over Amazon,
imagining different ways to skewer it, for the feast.

A high minimum-wage and high housing standards are snooty;
they remove the lower rungs of the ladder, to keep "undesirables" out.
■
    HerbertGlazier  317c528e-9aa7-4b16-a3c6-870e46c59061@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.16--3.33pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 3  m148 Cool; 5.7 Hours, GoogleG, 74.118.32.5,  Oct 16 {  9:43am, 2019 }:31^(PDT)  XϱЭɛ
      Our Universe is going from infinitely  hot/dense  to infinitely  cold/sparse.

> What Came Before the BB ?

Nothing; the closer you get to the start of the big bang,
the slower the clock ticks and the longer the yardstick.

  In physics, entropy is how evenly  heat/matter  are distributed.
  Our  hot/dense  sun evaporates into the  cold/sparse  vacuum,
  losing 4.3 million tons each second.

  Our Universe is going from infinitely  hot/dense  to infinitely  cold/sparse.
  "God" (nature) programmed us to ride this wave 
  ( i.e. to sustainablely consume residual exergy ), same as the sun.
■
Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.16--2.32pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
      People are falling apart emotionally, not physically.

People are falling apart emotionally, not physically.

Hong Kong's depression, and China's jealousy/greed,
is spreading to San Francisco & Seattle.

Who is our moral guide ?
Chairman Xi JinPing, the gangster ?
Trump, the deadbeat ?

Maybe Elizabeth Warren is right, and we should tax equity,
not just real estate assets -- that'd pop a few bubbles.
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      SamWormley  3409f0ad-e3b9-4497-a331-b33f9d015806@googlegroups.com
    HerbertGlazier  07df916d-74be-490a-a98f-8b4e368a1904@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.15--4.36pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics
    ╳ 5  m137 Cool; 2.7 Hours, GoogleG, 74.118.32.5,  Oct 15 {  1:45pm, 2019 }:46^(PDT)  Xϱɗϑ
      What would you do if you caught one ?!

Herbert Glazier wrote:
> Judge Field sees me about once a month.  " You again ? " 
> Sandy went to the police saying I molested her. ( I did not )
> this was when I was running for City Council.

You're like a dog chasing cars.
What would you do if you caught one ?!
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.13--3.55pm.Seattle.2019
            DFS  RhRoF.45065$hB2.19808@fx42.iad
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.13--9.24pm.Seattle.2019
        DFS  qrkpF.303602$oJ2.88578@fx46.iad
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.15--1.46pm.Seattle.2019
    SteveCarroll  e4cd1e58-9720-46c7-9b8e-044b2a9decf0@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.15--4.09pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m326 Mad; 1.3 Hours, GoogleG,  Oct 15 {  2:36pm, 2019 }:42^(PDT)  Xϱɠg
      I shit into a soup ladle, and piss into a measuring cup.

Steve Carroll replied ( to me ):
> > Instead of trusting what's in the "References:" line,
> > I re-build the (sub)thread, one MessageID at a time;
> > experience taught me to do this.
> 
> Did you write your own newsreader/writer app

Yes, my newsreader, "Jeff-Relf.Me/X.HTM", does it automatically.

> > I wrote a C++ console 
> 
> Do you mean a C++ console *application*? 

No, I wrote my own console, "Jeff-Relf.Me/X.HTM";
where you might use bash, or DOS commands, I use C++.
For me ( not you ), it's just easier/better that way.

> > I don't write frivolous routines using frivolous python.
> 
> And JR swoops in with some whoop ass!  ;)

FAAMG companies haze potential hires by asking them to 
write frivolous code on the spot; DFS should be ashamed.

> imgur.com/a/PrdQ4iW   Vittles Vault

I shit into a soup ladle, and piss into a measuring cup.
Paper towels do the cleanup.
It's a lot cheaper/nicer than renting a studio apartment.
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              DFS  eXjpF.73307$Qz2.1281@fx03.iad
            HughHuntzinger  7e2b39ee-e4b5-4ab8-ac37-db7a081a8244@googlegroups.com
          MrChrisV  khrbqedbejh8i1kg9vm48ngfsn5eoap054@4ax.com
        HughHuntzinger  dc417537-9f22-4a2a-88e3-e6537757471b@googlegroups.com
      melzzzzz│mel@melzzzzz_com  qo50a7$6aq$1@news.albasani.net
    HughHuntzinger  297cbbf2-f7f8-4f4e-9f38-9029f636a965@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.15--3.08pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m43 Cool; 1.7 Hours, GoogleG, 143.85.5.18,  Oct 15 { 11:10am, 2019 }:22^(PDT)  XϱzД
      The Largest companies ( by market cap, in trillions of USD ).

What does the share price indicate 
when companies buy back and/or issue new shares ?

The Largest companies ( by market cap, in trillions of USD ),
June 21, 2019:

 1.050  Microsoft  Seattle
  .943  Amazon     Seattle
  .920  Apple      San Francisco
  .778  Google     San Francisco
  .546  Facebook   San Francisco

"FAAMG" ( Facebook, Amazon, Apple, Microsoft, and Google )
had 801.5 $ billion in revenue last year,
and 139 $ billion in net income.

Before Microsoft and Bill Gates started taking over,
Seattle's primary benefactor was Madame Lou Graham's estate.                                              

She established:

  " a discreet establishment for the 'silk-top-hat' set to
    indulge in good drink, lively political discussions and, upstairs,
    ribald pleasures -- all free to government representatives. "

  " More city business was transacted at Lou's than at City Hall. "  

" The Seattle Underground - The Hidden City ", 8 minutes in:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsqRP0ualoI 
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              SteveCarroll  3066102f-bc8e-4f95-a528-7639b5995749@googlegroups.com
            DFS  vBMoF.6909$eW2.2706@fx25.iad
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.13--3.55pm.Seattle.2019
        DFS  RhRoF.45065$hB2.19808@fx42.iad
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.13--9.24pm.Seattle.2019
    DFS  qrkpF.303602$oJ2.88578@fx46.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.15--1.46pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, News.Software.Readers, Alt.Free.Newsservers
    ╱ 5  m183 Top; 5.7 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win8.1, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Oct 15 {  7:10am, 2019 }:20^(-4)  XϱLВ
      I don't write frivolous routines using frivolous python.

DFS replied ( to me ):
> your entire newsreader usage history.
> 2003-07-05 start with Xnews on Windows

That's the first time I posted from home,
on my own computer, using a dial-up modem.

I was posting 10+ years before then,
using University computers.

>  5.     1 posts: Thunderbird on Linux

That wasn't me.

> 49.     1 posts: Mozilla on Windows
> 50.    27 posts: Relf Homegrown X on Windows
> 51.     1 posts: Mozilla on Windows
> 52. Last 33 posts: Relf Homegrown X on Windows
> 8976 total posts
> Last post made on 2019-10-14   0.2s

I have posted using Mozilla before, as a test,
but not as recently as 34 posts ( 11 days ) ago;
so, again, it's a false positive.

> 39.  1 posts: newsreader not provided by the References munger

Yet another false positive.

Simply checking for message IDs that contain "Relf" ( case-sensitive )
would give you a more accurate result.

> your idiotic tendency to drop References.

The only MessageID that you can+should trust is the most recent one;
everything else is just fluff; threads drift, branch.

Instead of trusting what's in the "References:" line,
I re-build the (sub)thread, one MessageID at a time;
experience taught me to do this.

> > C++ works perfectly for me;
> > I wouldn't touch Python with a 10 foot pole.
> 
> Your loss.

You have no idea, and I don't care to explain it;
basically, I wrote a C++ console that can zoom in/out,
using single-, double-, or triple- width glyphs.
4k Screenshots:

  Jeff-Relf.Me/SleepPat.PNG
  Jeff-Relf.Me/Diff.PNG
  Jeff-Relf.Me/SleepPat.PNG
  Jeff-Relf.Me/Chess.PNG
  Jeff-Relf.Me/Super.Fast.Monopoly.PNG
  Jeff-Relf.Me/Reversi.PNG
  Jeff-Relf.Me/Solitair.PNG
  Jeff-Relf.Me/Mario.PNG

> > I can ( and have ) written many C++ routines
> > to parse .PDF files ( PostScript ), not just .CSV files.
> > I don't consider it a challenge, I'm not here to impress you.
> 
> Relf severely pwned by DFS
> C++  severely pwned by python

Dream on.  Unlike you,
I don't write frivolous routines using frivolous python.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.13--11.42am.Seattle.2019
            DFS  53LoF.45324$XA2.21955@fx05.iad
          SteveCarroll  3066102f-bc8e-4f95-a528-7639b5995749@googlegroups.com
        DFS  vBMoF.6909$eW2.2706@fx25.iad
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.13--3.55pm.Seattle.2019
    DFS  RhRoF.45065$hB2.19808@fx42.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.13--9.24pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m172 Top; 1.2 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win8.1, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Oct 13 {  7:46pm, 2019 }:14^(-4)  XϰRϼ
      No "decent" apps are written in Python.

DFS replied ( to me ):
> > No one uses Python to create a full-size app.
> 
> Quit channeling that nincompoop Feeb.

After you, you evangelist.

No "decent" apps are written in Python.

I'm not begging for your attention, as you claim, far from it;
I'm just telling you how I feel about it.

The best BitTorrent app, qBitTorrent, is written in C++;
it has an optional search engine, written in Python,
but it sucks, big time -- it can't sort by date.

> The program I use to retrieve and post Usenet articles to my relational 
> db is 100% python, as are most of the analysis and reporting routines.

I don't have any problem with that,
nor do I desire to use your program.
I have my own, superior methods.

> You should try Python, dude.  

C++ works perfectly for me;
I wouldn't touch Python with a 10 foot pole.

> I notice you [so far] ran away from writing a 
> C++ routine to read in a .csv file.  
> Why haven't you attempted it?

I can ( and have ) written many C++ routines
to parse .PDF files ( PostScript ), not just .CSV files.
I don't consider it a challenge, I'm not here to impress you.
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              FabianRussell  qnvh8k0emr@news3.newsguy.com
            DFS  3vIoF.43930$KB2.19600@fx02.iad
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.13--11.42am.Seattle.2019
        DFS  53LoF.45324$XA2.21955@fx05.iad
      SteveCarroll  3066102f-bc8e-4f95-a528-7639b5995749@googlegroups.com
    DFS  vBMoF.6909$eW2.2706@fx25.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.13--3.55pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 2  m171 Top; 1.5 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win8.1, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Oct 13 {  2:24pm, 2019 }: 5^(-4)  Xϡნ5
      No one uses Python to create a full-size app.

No one uses Python to create a full-size app.

I'm not asking for your reply, DFS, I'm just stating a fact.
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      FabianRussell  qnvh8k0emr@news3.newsguy.com
    DFS  3vIoF.43930$KB2.19600@fx02.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.13--11.42am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 2  m166 Top; 1.8 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win8.1, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Oct 13 {  9:44am, 2019 }:43^(-4)  XϡЭʣ
      Python's white-space enforcement is insane.

Python's white-space enforcement is insane;
it might work for tiny routines, 
if you're not much of a programmer,
but no sane person would use it to create a full-sized app.
■
Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.11--8.07pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
      The freshly-printed-money tsunami isn't reaching the poorest.

When you are as poor as I am, in North Seattle,
your inflation rate was 6.8%/year, 2010-2018,
due to the rental price increase.

How much further will it go up,
given today's massive, sustained "quantitative easing" ?

This freshly-printed-money tsunami isn't reaching the poorest;
like a diabetic, the end result is "amputation" ( detachment ),
i.e. "strays" ( thieving junkies ).

Before long, we can no longer afford rent;
so we move into a tent city, a shelter,
an "enhanced shelter", or a "tiny house village".

A high minimum-wage and high housing standards are snooty;
they remove the lower rungs of the ladder, to keep "undesirables" out.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.9--0.56am.Seattle.2019
            DFS  qEJnF.117555$LC2.85008@fx45.iad
          FabianRussell  qno7aj0kh9@news2.newsguy.com
        Siri_Cruise│chine_bleu@yahoo_  chine.bleu-A267D1.15071610102019@reader.eternal-september.org
      DFS  2t%nF.75202$iJ2.7869@fx47.iad
    Siri_Cruise│chine_bleu@yahoo_  chine.bleu-27869E.08282511102019@reader.eternal-september.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.11--10.01am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m9 Dropped; 1.2 Hours, NewsWatcher➤Mac, Eternal-September.ORG,  Oct 11 {  8:28am, 2019 }:34^(-7)  XϠʚР
      memmove( z, x, sizeof x );

Siri Cruise,

Are you a female programmer/Scientologist ?

Do you program for Windows too, or just Macs ?

Siri wrote:
> The first law of discordiamism: The more energy
> to make order is nore energy made into entropy.

"nore" ?

  In physics, entropy is how evenly  heat/matter  are distributed.
  Our  hot/dense  sun evaporates into the  cold/sparse  vacuum,
  losing 4.3 million tons each second.

  Our Universe is going from infinitely  hot/dense  to infinitely  cold/sparse.
  "God" (nature) programmed us to ride this wave 
  ( i.e. to sustainablely consume residual exergy ), same as the sun.
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              .  lF%mF.108280$LC2.8395@fx45.iad
            .  Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.9--0.56am.Seattle.2019
          .  qEJnF.117555$LC2.85008@fx45.iad
        .  qno7uc1kh9@news2.newsguy.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.10--3.43pm.Seattle.2019
    MrAA  1571994b-4dd6-4be8-8a00-3fbe404fbf9f@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.10--4.04pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m26 Top; 1.4 Minutes, GoogleG, 205.153.48.25,  Oct 10 {  3:51pm, 2019 }:47^(PDT)  Xϟცϒ
      Asset bubbles make people horny, stupid.

Mr. AA replied ( to me ):
> > Everyone ( from the homeless junkie to the central bank )
> > has gone insane, animalistic, immoral, detached.  
> 
> The homeless are no different than anyone else, 
> except they're homeless.

Thieving junkies steal shit; and they're quite horny.
They're much, MUCH more dangerous than those with money/sanity.

When elephants mate, the grass gets trampled.

Maybe that's it, maybe that's why everyone is nuts,
asset bubbles make people horny, stupid.
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          DFS  lF%mF.108280$LC2.8395@fx45.iad
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.9--0.56am.Seattle.2019
      DFS  qEJnF.117555$LC2.85008@fx45.iad
    FabianRussell  qno7uc1kh9@news2.newsguy.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.10--3.43pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m284 Dropped; 17.6 Minutes, Pan, Newsguy.COM➤NewsGuy.COM, Newsdawg.COM,  Oct 10 {  2:30pm, 2019 }:52  Xϟოq
      Insane, Animalistic, Immoral, Detached.

Fabian wrote:
> That Jeff-Ass deserves to get annihilated.  
> I'd love to see ghetto dwellers pulverize his lame ass.

Four homeless men, including "Uncle [Chuen] Kwok", 83,
were beaten to death with a three-foot, 15-pound metal bar
last Saturday, in Chinatown, 1:30am, New York city.

Randy Rodriguez Santos, 24, had a long history of violence and
drug use before he was charged with the murders, Sunday.
Some of it was caught on video; the police caught him, weapon in hand.

Himself homeless, he bounced from a shelter in Brooklyn 
to his mother's apartment in the Bronx and even to a squalid,
abandoned building next door to her building.

He broke his grandfather's nose in 2016, 
and sneaked into the family's home last week and stole 
a watch, a phone and three phone chargers. 

Why does homelessness/theft/violence/drug-use 
increase in the years before an asset-bubble bursts ?

Everyone ( from the homeless junkie to the central bank )
has gone insane, animalistic, immoral, detached.  

http://Jeff-Relf.Me/Sell.PNG
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      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.9--0.56am.Seattle.2019
    DFS  qEJnF.117555$LC2.85008@fx45.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.10--11.17am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m148 Top; 44.5 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win8.1, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Oct 10 { 10:13am, 2019 }: 6^(-4)  Xϟвȸ
      "memcpy()" is a special case INSIDE "memmove()".

DFS quoted:
> " In general, USE memmove only if you have to.  USE it when 
>   there is a very reasonable chance that the source and destination 
>   regions are over-lapping. "
>   https://stackoverflow.com/questions/28623895/why-is-memmove-faster-than-memcpy

Why worry about whether memory overlaps or not ?
What's the point ?

"memcpy()" is a special case INSIDE "memmove()".

"memmove()" contains SSE optimized assembler code; so it's faster.

Even if it wasn't ALWAYS faster, the difference is too minor. 
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              DFS  6manF.37430$MT2.23639@fx18.iad
            DFS  W1qnF.42919$hB2.29719@fx42.iad
          FabianRussell  qnlodm02keq@news2.newsguy.com
        SteveCarroll  62727cdb-e675-4180-bc7b-c64619b7dd03@googlegroups.com
      FabianRussell  qnn485124g8@news1.newsguy.com
    SteveCarroll  qnnd3t$qru$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.10--7.47am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m257 Mad; 35.4 Minutes, slrn➤openMac, Eternal-September.ORG,  Oct 10 {  6:53am, 2019 }: 1  XϟАл
      If Fabian wrote JavaScript macros/extensions...

If Fabian wrote JavaScript macros/extensions, 
he might earn enough to leave his mom's basement.
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      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.10--5.13am.Seattle.2019
    Carlos_E_R_│robin_listas@es_  duo37g-2ka.ln1@Telcontar.valinor
Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.10--7.38am.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 5  m70 Cool; 48.6 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤X11, Individual.NET,  Oct 10 {  6:39am, 2019 }:57^(2)  XϟϾϝ
      "Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10" is people.

If it wasn't for you, Carlos, few would ever see my posts.

So, to express my gratitude, I'll answer your question.

Q. Why did I post "America has diabetes" to "Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10" ?

A. Because "Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10" is people;
   real people, who I know and love.
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.10--5.13am.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
      America has diabetes.

.   America is diabetic;
    the money supply isn't reaching the foot soldiers;
    if this keeps up, its foot soldiers will be amputated.

    A high minimum-wage and high housing standards are snooty;
    they remove the lower rungs of the ladder.
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    DFS  lF%mF.108280$LC2.8395@fx45.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.9--0.56am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 5  m142 Top; 18.5 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win8.1, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Oct  8 {  5:53am, 2019 }:33^(-4)  XϞʀმ
      memmove( z, x, sizeof x );

DFS asked Feeb:
> Can you improve this simple C code ?

char *x = "17DeMoz", *y = "AcpSx" ;
char *z = (char *)malloc( sizeof x + sizeof y );
memmove( z, x, sizeof x );
memmove( z + sizeof x - 1, y, sizeof y );
printf( "%s", z );
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      Kensi  qnh1bj$1rnc$1@gioia.aioe.org
    Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  h02vplFkvq7U1@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.8--2.39am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Talk.Politics.Guns, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m29 Top; 1 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win7, Individual.NET,  Oct  8 {  1:30am, 2019 }:44^(11)  XϞɕi
      It's a battle; sometimes CO2 breathers gain ground.

Sylvia told Kensi:
> Be careful what you wish for.  In the past, 
> plants have sucked so much carbon dioxide out of the air
> that they've plunged the planet into such cold 
> that it barely recovered with life intact.

It's a battle; sometimes CO2 breathers gain ground;
other times, atmospheric oxygen consumers take the lead.
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              .  ckqcpetivfvn064f59fa64i8ms7mjim6jr@4ax.com
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.3--3.02pm.Seattle.2019
          Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  qn64m9$np2$1@gioia.aioe.org
        nospam│nospam@nospam_invalid  031020192048483956%nospam@nospam.invalid
      Mark_Lloyd│not@mail_invalid  GHMlF.8646$MV2.7668@fx27.iad
    HerbertGlazier  d35b435f-6397-4069-b60b-630a49004f23@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.5--4.52pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 14  m137 Cool; 1.8 Hours, GoogleG, 74.118.32.5,  Oct  5 {  2:49pm, 2019 }:44^(PDT)  XϜσɨ
      My desktop PC is Air Force One, redesigned.

Your HP Chromebook is a rusty tricycle, Bert;
my desktop PC is Air Force One, redesigned.
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.4--9.35am.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
      There's a 71% chance of a recession in the next 12 months.

60% of U.S. CFOs believe that the U.S. will be in a recession by Q3 2020;
84% of CIOs/CFOs believe that a recession will begin by Q3 2021.

There's a 71% chance of a recession in the next 12 months,
according to the Fed's "logistic regression model".

Google and Berkshire Hathaway are holding bizarre levels of cash.

Warren Buffett hoards cash in the years before a recession;
to him, a few years of underperformance ( holding cash ) is nothing
compared to the opportunities he'll have when the recession hits.

<img Src="http://Jeff-Relf.Me/Sell.PNG" Alt="Sell">
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        R_Wieser│address@not_available  qn4amg$1ugt$1@gioia.aioe.org
      wasbit│wasbitREMOVE@hotmail_  qn73ln$f9h$1@dont-email.me
    R_Wieser│address@not_available  qn78ds$1pck$2@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.4--5.58am.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Microsoft.Public.Windowsxp.General, Alt.Windows7.General
    ╱ 1  m9 Cool; 25.6 Minutes, Outlook, POSTED.WIgm➤Aioe.ORG,  Oct  4 {  3:50am, 2019 }:  ^(2)  Xϛϓɸ
      Using THE NUMERIC KEYPAD, I can enter any Unicode glyph.

R_Wieser wrote:
> I have to find a character which will 
> place a file at the end of the list.
> And /preferrably/ one I can also enter by keyboard.

'乂' ( Pinyin "Yi", U+4e42 ).

Using THE NUMERIC KEYPAD, I can enter any Unicode glyph; see:

        ; Requires a ReBoot
        [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Input Method]
        "EnableHexNumpad"="1"

    Press and hold-down the Alt key.
    Press the + (plus) key on THE NUMERIC KEYPAD.

    Type the hexidecimal unicode value ( 4e42 );
    decimal digits MUST be typed using THE NUMERIC KEYPAD.

    Release the Alt key.

....but I'd never do it that way;
instead, I'd create a speech command ( Nuance Dragon Professional )
or put it on my custom keyboard ( Hot Virtual Keyboard ):

  http://Jeff-Relf.Me/MouseKeyboardLayout.PNG
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    Peter_Jason│pj@jostle_com  ckqcpetivfvn064f59fa64i8ms7mjim6jr@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.3--3.02pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m7 Cool; 3 Minutes, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Oct  3 {  2:41pm, 2019 }:38^(10)  Xϛɠრ
      A PC loses half of its value each year.

Peter Jason asked:
> I have retired my 9 yo computer after many troublesome 
> adventures with faulty Sata sockets and/or a worn-out motherboard.
> 
> What is a reasonable life expectancy for 
> an off-the-shelf computer these days ?

A PC loses half of its value each year.
After 9 years, it's lost 99.8% ( 1-.5^9 ) of its value;
inflation devalues it further.
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          R_Wieser│address@not_available  qn4amg$1ugt$1@gioia.aioe.org
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.3--1.57am.Seattle.2019
      R_Wieser│address@not_available  qn4otd$3p7$1@gioia.aioe.org
    Mayayana│mayayana@invalid_  qn4r03$ipn$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.3--6.41am.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Microsoft.Public.Windowsxp.General, Alt.Windows7.General
    ╱ 1  m52 Cool; 28.2 Minutes, Outlook, Eternal-September.ORG,  Oct  3 {  5:52am, 2019 }:19^(-4)  Xϛ8Б
      An update to File Explorer is long past due.

File Explorer uses multiple fonts to display UTF-8 encoded file names;
it doesn't rely on just one font, as a "distro" might.
Sadly, there is no way to zoom in/out.

An update to File Explorer is long past due.
 
Launching "CharMap" ( from a DOS prompt ),
"Advanced View", "Character Set", 
gives you access to all the glyphs.

Mayayana wrote:
> My favorite coding font is Verdana.

I prefer the "OCR A" font; like this:

  http://Jeff-Relf.Me/Diff.PNG
  http://Jeff-Relf.Me/Visual.Studio.2019.PNG

> I use "aa" to make sure a file or folder sorts to the top of a folder.

Every number and/or symbol comes before 'a'.

> Wouldn't it be easiest to just use "zz"

Yes, most definitely;
but '乂' ( Pinyin "Yi", U+4E42 ) looks cooler.
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        R_Wieser│address@not_available  qn4amg$1ugt$1@gioia.aioe.org
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.3--1.57am.Seattle.2019
    R_Wieser│address@not_available  qn4otd$3p7$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.3--6.18am.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Microsoft.Public.Windowsxp.General, Alt.Windows7.General
    ╱ 2  m4 Cool; 28.1 Minutes, Outlook, POSTED.WIgm➤Aioe.ORG,  Oct  3 {  5:17am, 2019 }:40^(2)  Xϛ2ტ
      Pinyin "Yi" ( U+4E42 ) is a "letter" (ideograph).

R_Wieser replied ( to me ):
> > In File Explorer, Win10, "letters" are always last, English first.
> > '乂' ( Pinyin "Yi", U+4E42 ) is a "letter" (ideograph);
> > it means "to mow" or strike down.
> 
> Any idea how I, in "windows explorer" enter that into filename ?

Google says:

    Press and hold down the Alt key.
    Press the + (plus) key ON THE NUMERIC KEYPAD.
    Type the hexidecimal unicode value.
    Release the Alt key.

> Was there any reason you added "comp.os.linux.advocacy"  

Because I know people there, and 
because some "distro" might provide further insight.
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          R_Wieser│address@not_available  qn4amg$1ugt$1@gioia.aioe.org
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.3--1.57am.Seattle.2019
      Siri_Cruise│chine_bleu@yahoo_  chine.bleu-4FBB99.04052203102019@reader.eternal-september.org
    Java_Jive│java@evij_com_  qn4mi5$1n5p$2@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.3--5.02am.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Microsoft.Public.Windowsxp.General, Alt.Windows7.General
    ╱ 1  m1 Shifty; 15.2 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win7, Aioe.ORG,  Oct  3 {  4:37am, 2019 }:41^(1)  XϚჲɥ
      In File Explorer, Win10, "letters" are always last, English first.

In File Explorer, Win10, "letters" are always last, English first.
'乂' ( Mandarin, pronounced "Yi" ) is a "letter", by the way;
it means "to mow" or strike down.
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    R_Wieser│address@not_available  qn4amg$1ugt$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.3--1.57am.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Microsoft.Public.Windowsxp.General, Alt.Windows7.General
    ╱ 1  m2 Cool; 6.4 Minutes, Outlook, POSTED.WIgm➤Aioe.ORG,  Oct  3 {  1:14am, 2019 }:42^(2)  XϚაʢ
      Omega ( U+03A9 ) is sorted "last" ( after 'z' ).

R_Wieser asked:
> I'm in the need for a filename that will be, 
> in "windows explorer", sorted /after/ all the ones 
> starting with letter symbols ( for non-important, 
> but still easy-to-reach files ).

'Ω' ( Omega, U+03A9 ) is sorted "last" ( after 'z' );
any Japanese, Korean, Greek or Cyrillic letter also works.
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          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.30--4.51am.Seattle.2019
        MsNadegda  qmto9b$fom$66@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.30--5.16pm.Seattle.2019
    Kensi  qmuh5i$v7n$2@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.30--9.04pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m14 Dropped; 27.4 Minutes, NewsTap➤iPad, Aioe.ORG,  Sep 30 {  8:28pm, 2019 }:48^(2)  XϙʚЮ
      GenZ is following my advice.

Kensi replied ( to me ):
> > Don't fuck people.
> > Don't get married, and don't have kids.
> 
> You're just saying that out of sour grapes, 
> because nobody wants to fuck you. *snigger*

GenZ is following my advice; 
no grapes ( or red herrings ) involved.

The smartest people in the world, "The Asian Tigers",
have a "fertility rate" of .98 kids per woman per lifetime.
Replacement level is 2.08 kids.

  http://Jeff-Relf.Me/Global.Fertility.Rates.PNG
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      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.30--4.51am.Seattle.2019
    MsNadegda  qmto9b$fom$66@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.30--5.16pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    -Dropped, 3.7 Hours, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Sep 30 {  1:24pm, 2019 }:11  XϙɔB
      Don't get married, and don't have kids.

Ms Nadegda replied ( to me ):
> > The housing crisis is due to:
> >   - A lack of "Nazi police" and/or "Soviet housing".
> 
> Fascism alert.

And/Or communism -- anything but dumping it on me, the public.

The UnBanked don't care about asset prices, nor (unpaid) rent;
they just want their drugs, 
and they don't care who they have to "fuck" to get it.

> > Child support is based on what a man _ should _ make ( fiction ),
> > if he were "up right" -- actual income is irrelevant;
> > and not one penny of the past-due amounts are forgivable.
> > 
> > Squirt now, pay later.
> 
> Then wear a condom, you dumbass.

Don't fuck people, smart ass.

Don't get married, and don't have kids.
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              Brian_Dee│skills4uifuwant  ulb1pelc42ol06q66jgomb3f58f1ipt2pp@4ax.com
            Carlos_E_R_│robin_listas@es_  mvl76g-15n.ln1@Telcontar.valinor
          Cybe_R_Wizard│cybe_r_wizard  20190929202521.06f5ca2c@WizardsTower
        Brian_Dee│skills4uifuwant  o9n2pep5ee6bhhm05jp1vkthlq2kttithj@4ax.com
      Cybe_R_Wizard│cybe_r_wizard  20190929210654.6f50813b@WizardsTower
    ScottDoty  gvdbpiF4ipgU2@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.30--5.19am.Seattle.2019
  Alt.OS.Linux, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Comp.Windows-10
    ╱ 1  m73 Cool; 8.4 Hours, Pan, Individual.NET,  Sep 29 {  8:40pm, 2019 }:34  XϘТР
      FlatFish++

Scott Doty wrote:
> when [ FlatFish++ ] isn't trolling the USENET, 
> she sits on the couch and watches the rain -- alone, 
> hugging her knees, with a glass of cheap chardonnay. 

I doubt she's alone in her brand-new "New York" seaside mansion.
Also, I doubt she drinks "cheap" Chardonnay.
She seldom posts here, by the way.
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.30--4.51am.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
      Squirt now, pay later.

  With negative interest rates ( after inflation ),
  and Trump calling for negative nominal rates ( all maturities ),
  and few viable alternatives, FDIC-insured banks are poised to fail.

  Trump is _ not _ a fiscal conservative, far from it;
  in fact, he's kinda fond of bankruptcies.

  The world is printing money like never before;
  but it's inflating asset prices, not The Consumer Price Index.
  Today's balance sheets are pure fiction.

  The UnBanked don't care about asset prices, nor (unpaid) rent;
  they just want their drugs, 
  and they don't care who they have to "fuck" to get it.

  The housing crisis is due to:

    - Too many strays, undesirables.  No family values.

      Child support is based on what a man _ should _ make ( fiction ),
      if he were "up right" -- actual income is irrelevant;
      and not one penny of the past-due amounts are forgivable.

      Squirt now, pay later.

    - People are moving into cities too fast.

    - Not enough micro-apartments. 

    - A lack of "Nazi police" and/or "Soviet housing".

  Monetary policy is merely a reaction to these problems, above.
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              .  qmp90q$18cm$1@gioia.aioe.org
            .  gvandhFib1kU1@mid.individual.net
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.28--9.18pm.Seattle.2019
        Kensi  qmpbf9$1i87$1@gioia.aioe.org
      Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  gvb0n8Fk2n5U2@mid.individual.net
    MsNadegda  qmrbui$fom$41@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.29--4.52pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m40 Dropped; 19.5 Minutes, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Sep 29 {  3:41pm, 2019 }:23  XϘϑბ
      I like Sylvia Else.

Ms Nadegda replied ( to Sylvia ):
> > there are some legitimate concerns that [ Greta's ] mental limitations
> > are being exploited by others to further their own agenda.
> 
> which right wing kook's concern-trolling sockpuppet are you ?

I think Sylvia Else lives in Forestville Sydney Australia, owns a Tesla,
and speaks Portuguese, French, German and Spanish.

She seems to be a bit of a physicist ( hence "Sci.Physics" ),
electrical engineer, and (maybe) a programmer.

The degree to which her and I agree is spooky.
I don't think she likes me, but I like her.
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          .  qmp90q$18cm$1@gioia.aioe.org
        .  gvandhFib1kU1@mid.individual.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.28--9.18pm.Seattle.2019
    Paul│nospam@needed_invalid  qmpp3j$5e9$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.29--1.48am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m23 Top; 14.2 Minutes, Ratcatcher/2_0_0_25, Eternal-September.ORG,  Sep 29 {  1:13am, 2019 }:38^(-4)  XϘɒɢ
      Enjoy the Kool-Aid.

Paul wrote:
> Now, a coal plant we closed here was 4 [ GigaWatts ], 
> and we considered that to be a pretty large site. 
> And the Chinese are adding fifty sites that big to their system.

Where is "here", Australia ?

> Greta got it right.  That's what infinite growth looks like.
> No amount of mitigation will make a dent in that.  Enjoy the ride.

Greta has been brainwashed.
People LOVE their "climate apocalypse" cult, and HATE the truth.

Joe Biden broke the law;
he literally FORCED Ukraine to lay off his son.
That's nepotism.  Corruption, Third World style.

Trump didn't force anyone; 
at worst, he asked if Ukraine might enforce the law.

Yet the mainstream media ( e.g. Saturday Night Live, Jimmy Fallon,
Bill Maher, Jimmy Kimmel, and Conan ) sincerely believe that
it was Trump who broke the law, not Joe Biden.

Amazing, wide-spread delusion.
Enjoy the Kool-Aid.
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      Kensi  qmp90q$18cm$1@gioia.aioe.org
    Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  gvandhFib1kU1@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.28--9.18pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╳ 1  m30 Top; 21.4 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win7, Individual.NET,  Sep 28 {  8:40pm, 2019 }:33^(10)  XϘaП
      Everyone wants to give up, to stop trying.

Greta Thunberg needs a psychiatrist.

Everyone wants to give up, to stop trying;
this is why " The Climate Apocalypse " Kool-Aid is so popular.

Also, would someone please tell Bill Maher:

  Today, nearly a quarter of all electricity produced 
  in Germany still comes from burning lignite, often 
  called brown coal, one of the dirtiest fossil fuels, 
  making Germany the world's leader in the mining and 
  burning of lignite, according to the International 
  Energy Agency.   -- NYTimes.COM
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              Eric_Stevens│eric_stevens@sum_  3v9toe549hn3i6k9ttsddbv407vbkn4b99@4ax.com
            TheSnitBot  gv7o6pFu11oU1@mid.individual.net
          Eric_Stevens│eric_stevens@sum_  v3otoe9jphqdlubs9r1pfia63ocn738bgn@4ax.com
        TheSnitBot  gv86mmF29v7U2@mid.individual.net
      Eric_Stevens│eric_stevens@sum_  98euoe9q909vs6fr6hjh5u3l2icoads0ne@4ax.com
    HughHuntzinger  837a60ec-9263-476a-8398-de681694ae28@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.28--4.50am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m61 Cool; 19.9 Minutes, GoogleG, 173.54.111.20,  Sep 28 {  4:10am, 2019 }: 9^(PDT)  XϗϗϷ
      If you build a house on the seashore...

Seattle used to be under a glacier;
then, the oceans were low enough that humans
were able to migrate to there from Asia.

If you build a house on the seashore,
it's _ your _ responsibility to handle the consequences;
you shouldn't expect the world to surrender its sovereignty for you.

Were it not for carbon dioxide, we'd suffocate, because
oceanic photosynthesis couldn't produce atmospheric oxygen.

Near as I can tell, the Democrats are about:

  1. Impeaching Trump.

  2. Breaking immigration laws.

  3. Trillion dollar giveaways.

  4. Smoking pot.

  5. Drinking the "climate apocalypse" Kool-Aid.

  6. "Killing" the rich.
  
  7. Nepotism ( Joe Biden ).
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.26--10.04pm.Seattle.2019
            Eric_Stevens│eric_stevens@sum_  m2nroe1f1r5uo1ld2daet5v2tjdvfkkd0g@4ax.com
          TheSnitBot  gv7oalFu11oU3@mid.individual.net
        Eric_Stevens│eric_stevens@sum_  euntoed6sjnjpeqp2hcvcjfs7lft13mcig@4ax.com
      TheSnitBot  gv86shF29v7U4@mid.individual.net
    Eric_Stevens│eric_stevens@sum_  jtduoelruug7jtkm0m8pmbb2gahhu8h8s2@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.28--4.28am.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 4  m29 Shifty; 28.6 Minutes, F_Agent, HighWinds➤Easynews.COM,  Sep 28 {  3:37am, 2019 }:23^(12)  Xϗϑɓ
      Net, the Amazon doesn't contribute to atmospheric oxygen.

Snit wrote:
> > A good portion of [ atmospheric oxygen ] comes from the Amazon. 
> > Before I said 20%... but I have since looked it up and it is lower:
> > most sources putting it between 5 and 10% (6% seems the most common).

" The Amazon’s net contribution to 
  the oxygen we breathe likely hovers around zero. "

http://NationalGeographic.COM/environment/2019/08/why-amazon-doesnt-produce-20-percent-worlds-oxygen/

The warmer it is, and the greater the carbon dioxide, 
the more oceanic photosynthesis produces atmospheric oxygen.
Were it not for carbon dioxide, we'd suffocate.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.26--10.04pm.Seattle.2019
            Eric_Stevens│eric_stevens@sum_  m2nroe1f1r5uo1ld2daet5v2tjdvfkkd0g@4ax.com
          TheSnitBot  gv7oalFu11oU3@mid.individual.net
        Eric_Stevens│eric_stevens@sum_  euntoed6sjnjpeqp2hcvcjfs7lft13mcig@4ax.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.27--9.48pm.Seattle.2019
    ScottDoty  gv88btF1r52U3@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.27--11.09pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m73 Cool; 45.9 Minutes, Pan, Individual.NET,  Sep 27 { 10:11pm, 2019 }:25  Xϗʫდ
      Were it not for carbon dioxide, we'd suffocate.

Scott Doty replied ( to me ):
> > All of the oxygen we breathe came from oceanic photosynthesis;
> > none of it came from the Amazon.
> 
> Relf's bizarro world is very bizarre.

Next time they let you use Google, try searching for:

  Where does atmospheric oxygen come from ?

EarthSky.ORG:

  Most of this oxygen comes from tiny ocean plants -- 
  called phytoplankton -- that live near the water's 
  surface and drift with the currents. 

  Like all plants, they photosynthesize -- that is, 
  they use sunlight and carbon dioxide to make food. 
  A byproduct of photosynthesis is oxygen.  

The warmer it is, and the greater the carbon dioxide,
the more oxygen is released into the atmosphere.
Were it not for carbon dioxide, we'd suffocate.
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              Eric_Stevens│eric_stevens@sum_  o02roe1mj7iv2d92cmmgef4vm9mg2ghenc@4ax.com
            Paul│nospam@needed_invalid  qmk46o$hgu$1@dont-email.me
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.26--10.04pm.Seattle.2019
        Eric_Stevens│eric_stevens@sum_  m2nroe1f1r5uo1ld2daet5v2tjdvfkkd0g@4ax.com
      TheSnitBot  gv7oalFu11oU3@mid.individual.net
    Eric_Stevens│eric_stevens@sum_  euntoed6sjnjpeqp2hcvcjfs7lft13mcig@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.27--9.48pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 4  m89 Cool; 17.9 Minutes, F_Agent, HighWinds➤Easynews.COM,  Sep 27 {  9:22pm, 2019 }:52^(12)  Xϗʣв
      All of the oxygen we breathe came from oceanic photosynthesis.

All of the oxygen we breathe came from oceanic photosynthesis;
none of it came from the Amazon.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.26--11.21pm.Seattle.2019
            Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37f76a356b751612dec@news.altopia.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.27--2.40am.Seattle.2019
        Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37f7dd214abdce7edf3@news.altopia.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.27--11.09am.Seattle.2019
    Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  29lsoeldu7vg4bnh7ofjj9b4n5bau99q1s@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.27--2.31pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m83 Dropped; 1.8 Hours, F_Agent, Alt.NET,  Sep 27 { 11:31am, 2019 }: 9^(-4)  XϗȷȻ
      Tenga "Could've saved me two houses and my retirement."

Greg replied ( to me ):
> > 128 reviews on the 75 $ White Tenga Flip Zero:
> >       http://Amazon.COM/gp/product/B01GNSP2XC
> 
> LOL, Jeff, your review is at the very top.  Attaboy.

Yeah, I'm #2; 15 people found it "helpful".

Lots of interesting reviews; like:

  Lube, insert, slurp slurp slurp, gasp, 
  eyes roll back into head, fall asleep. 
  Wash, rinse, repeat.
       ...
  The Bomb.COM, way better than the ladies and, after you're done,
  you don't have to listen to it gripe either. 
  Could've saved me two houses and my retirement.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.26--11.21pm.Seattle.2019
            Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37f76a356b751612dec@news.altopia.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.27--2.40am.Seattle.2019
        Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37f7dd214abdce7edf3@news.altopia.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.27--11.09am.Seattle.2019
    Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  cvksoe5cnl93cdddcres9iou7ekisl79v8@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.27--1.43pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m83 Dropped; 1.9 Hours, F_Agent, Alt.NET,  Sep 27 { 11:27am, 2019 }: 9^(-4)  XϗȶΞ
      If sex isn't dirty, you're not doing it right.

Greg replied ( to me ):
> > Vaseline is the best lubricant.
> 
> I decided to not use Vaseline when you said buy
> LOTS of paper towels to clean up with.
> 
> So I got some LuLu water-based lube personal lube instead.
> Easy and fast clean up using only warm water. 

If sex isn't dirty, you're not doing it right.
-- Woody Allen, paraphrased.

Most-Everyone prefers water-based lubricants.
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      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.26--9.40pm.Seattle.2019
    SamWormley  6fe53cc7-04b3-484c-8b03-5feecc79f63a@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.27--11.27am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m827 Dropped; 16.5 Minutes, GoogleG,  Sep 27 { 11: 2am, 2019 }: 3^(PDT)  Xϗyɻ
      You call it a "smart phone", I call it a "dumb terminal".

Sam Wormley wrote:
> Smart phone users who are smart enough to protect 
> their privacy don't use apps from Facebook, Microsoft [...]

You call it a "smart phone", I call it a "dumb terminal".

Android is a Google product, Apple is another frat.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.26--9.40pm.Seattle.2019
            Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37f742bec0bfa0a0de4@news.altopia.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.26--11.21pm.Seattle.2019
        Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37f76a356b751612dec@news.altopia.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.27--2.40am.Seattle.2019
    Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37f7dd214abdce7edf3@news.altopia.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.27--11.09am.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 3  m156 Cool; 55.1 Minutes, MicroPlanet, Alt.NET➤NET-Abuse.Checkmate,  Sep 27 {  9:48am, 2019 }: 8^(-7)  Xϗm8
      I don't need their approval.

Checkmate replied ( to me ):
> > What did she want, a bigger house and more opiates ?
> 
> Bigger house for sure, which I agreed to.
> That was going to make her "happy".  
> 
> Then she arranged for her parents to move from the
> Philippines into the bigger house with us.  Surprise !  
> 
> She never discussed that with me, 
> but that wasn't the Final Straw...

325 reviews on the 75 $ White Tenga Flip Zero:
     http://Amazon.COM/gp/product/B01GNSP2XC

Vaseline is the best lubricant.

Or you could house, feed, educate, and medicate her
and her extended family for the rest of your life.

Personally, I don't need their approval;
I'd rather read, watch videos, and post to USENET.
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          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.26--9.40pm.Seattle.2019
        Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37f742bec0bfa0a0de4@news.altopia.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.26--11.21pm.Seattle.2019
    Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37f76a356b751612dec@news.altopia.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.27--2.40am.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╳ 1  m355 Mad; 52.2 Minutes, MicroPlanet, Alt.NET➤NET-Abuse.Checkmate,  Sep 27 {  1:37am, 2019 }:47^(-7)  Xϖეɫ
      What did she want ?

Checkmate wrote:
> My Asian ex-wife was a NAG, 
> so after many warnings over ten years, 
> out the door, I went.  I won't tolerate a nagger.

What did she want, a bigger house and more opiates ?
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      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.26--9.40pm.Seattle.2019
    Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37f742bec0bfa0a0de4@news.altopia.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.26--11.21pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m152 Cool; 27.2 Minutes, MicroPlanet, Alt.NET➤NET-Abuse.Checkmate,  Sep 26 { 10:49pm, 2019 }:20^(-7)  Xϖиɐ
      Asian girls will pussy-whip you, big time.

Checkmate wrote:
> I'd love to par-tay with some hawt Asian wimmin.

Asian girls will pussy-whip you, big time. 

I'd rather watch YouTube videos and post to USENET.
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              Eric_Stevens│eric_stevens@sum_  jkunoe9kddkl5sakg0rtqcisqvccdjb00f@4ax.com
            Chris│ithinkiam@gmail_com  qmhqmj$tjv$1@dont-email.me
          Eric_Stevens│eric_stevens@sum_  sbvooed853ludft2pbh6mjp0sajt812mi6@4ax.com
        MrChrisV  8oapoe5tee6kd46188junp2649tjrajdhd@4ax.com
      Eric_Stevens│eric_stevens@sum_  o02roe1mj7iv2d92cmmgef4vm9mg2ghenc@4ax.com
    Paul│nospam@needed_invalid  qmk46o$hgu$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.26--10.04pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m15 Top; 2.8 Minutes, Ratcatcher/2_0_0_25, Eternal-September.ORG,  Sep 26 {  9:46pm, 2019 }:18^(-4)  XϖЭА
      Our oxygen comes from the ocean, not rain forests.

Paul,  Our oxygen comes from the ocean, not rain forests.

Rain Forests are important for their biodiversity,
potential medicines, and the like.

The greater the warmth, rain, and CO2, the more they thrive;
and with that comes increased forest fires.

Hurricanes aren't new; what's new is all the people in their path.
You might surrender your sovereignty to help them,
but that doesn't mean everyone else is willing to "drink the Kool-Aid".
■
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.26--9.40pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
      Facebook, Microsoft, and Google are fraternities.

Facebook, Microsoft, and Google are fraternities,
complete with hazing, abuse of (perpetual) newbies,
and drunken sex parties.

Most of their employees are Asian.

If they don't work 80 hours per week, 
they could easily lose their house,
their wife, their kids, their dignity, 
and the right to live in America.
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              AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  qmh6kv$54e$1@dont-email.me
            Chris│ithinkiam@gmail_com  qmhqml$tjv$3@dont-email.me
          AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  qmiqv5$qs0$1@dont-email.me
        Chris│ithinkiam@gmail_com  qmj2l3$cvd$1@dont-email.me
      HughHuntzinger  cc3e31e8-8665-4afb-a257-878f1dc821aa@googlegroups.com
    AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  qmj7pj$d3m$2@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.26--2.07pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate, Alt.OS.Linux, Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10
    ╱ 1  m98 Cool; 2.7 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Sep 26 {  1:41pm, 2019 }:23^(-6)  Xϖηბ
      Ignorance/Randomness/StringTheory can be used to "prove" anything.

In no way does Quantum entanglement imply 
something is moving faster than light.

Ignorance/Randomness/StringTheory can be used to "prove" anything;
whatever your little heart desires.

The standard interpretation of quantum mechanics is:

  Shut Up and Calculate;
  i.e. don't ASSUME bizarre crap like faster-than-light communication
  and/or infinite universes spawning infinitely fast.
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        dhjoubert@gmail_com  73963067-b422-4a3f-bd15-049b4041250f@googlegroups.com
      Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  gv0rfvFg2b8U1@mid.individual.net
    dhjoubert@gmail_com  977a1e94-0819-471a-8eb8-2b47c3111faa@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.25--11.30pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m2 Shifty; 18.6 Hours, GoogleG, 104.194.218.200,  Sep 25 {  4:15am, 2019 }:43^(PDT)  XϕϘψ
      String theory is random.

"dark energy" is entropy.  "dark matter" is vacuum energy.

String theory is random;
you could use it to predict "The Flying Spaghetti Monster",
if you were so inclined.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.24--10.58am.Seattle.2019
            Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37f4260e8cadf893d43@news.altopia.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.24--3.52pm.Seattle.2019
        Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37f44f02255c446cd45@news.altopia.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.24--5.29pm.Seattle.2019
    Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37f538455836025ed72@news.altopia.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.25--3.08pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m158 Cool; 2.8 Hours, MicroPlanet, Alt.NET➤NET-Abuse.Checkmate,  Sep 25 {  9:40am, 2019 }:13^(-7)  XϕЬϻ
      Punching "panels" ?

Checkmate replied ( to me ):
> I have a trademark for my panel punching business.

Why are you punching "panels" ?
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              SteveCarroll  qmbe34$lks$1@dont-email.me
            DFS  PxtiF.338020$la1.157576@fx33.iad
          SteveCarroll  qmdrqu$ii$2@dont-email.me
        ScottDoty  gv0nf2FeroiU1@mid.individual.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.25--2.27am.Seattle.2019
    SteveCarroll  qmfv9u$7c8$2@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.25--3.04pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 14  m169 Mad; 4.5 Hours, slrn➤openMac, Eternal-September.ORG,  Sep 25 {  7:58am, 2019 }: 6  XϕЛϴ
      " Too much love is worse than no love. " -- Billie Eilish.

> > "Bury a Friend" ( Live, Radio 1's Big Weekend, 2019 ):
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UAOqtoZiLs
> 
> << There's just something about a sea of people chanting
>    " I want to end me " >>

With so many voices in our heads, it's hard to give a shit;
or, as Billie puts it, " Too much love is worse than no love. ".

A better version of the song ( from Jimmy Kimmel Live! 2019 ),
11 million views:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVc4kayC9bo
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            ScottDoty  gusl08Fdu6hU11@mid.individual.net
          SteveCarroll  qmbe34$lks$1@dont-email.me
        DFS  PxtiF.338020$la1.157576@fx33.iad
      SteveCarroll  qmdrqu$ii$2@dont-email.me
    ScottDoty  gv0nf2FeroiU1@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.25--2.27am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m66 Top; 15.2 Minutes, Pan, Individual.NET,  Sep 25 {  1:40am, 2019 }: 2  Xϕηϰ
      "Bad Guy" by 17-year-old Billie Eilish, 2019.

Check out "Bad Guy" by 17-year-old Billie Eilish, 2019.
She's got an interesting GenZ vibe, electronic instruments.

"Bury a Friend" ( Live, Radio 1's Big Weekend, Middlesbrough 2019 ):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UAOqtoZiLs
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              JimPennino  722q5g-faj.ln1@mail.specsol.com
            whodat│whodat@avoid_void_net  qmdnqs$dkd$1@dont-email.me
          JimPennino  gk7q5g-pqj.ln1@mail.specsol.com
        whodat│whodat@avoid_void_net  qme16p$agk$1@dont-email.me
      JimPennino  q1fq5g-5jk.ln1@mail.specsol.com
    EdProchak  9e407a07-62f9-40f2-9316-a68c529553e8@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.24--10.36pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 2  m52 Top; 47.2 Minutes, GoogleG, 174.130.68.115,  Sep 24 {  9:36pm, 2019 }:57^(PDT)  Xϕʦv
      UUCP USENET ( 1985 ? ).

Jim Pennino:
> > I was a UUCP leaf node well before USENET was accessible via TCP/IP
> > and before Al Gore invented the Internet.

I had access to UUCP USENET then too ( 1985 ? );
in 1991, when TCP/IP became more widespread, I really got into it.
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      BranimirMaksimovic  N8ZhF.405144$vW4.363076@fx24.am4
    DFS  J5BiF.517524$1b5.164893@fx37.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.24--10.17pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10
    ╱ 5  m107 Top; 1.2 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win8.1, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Sep 24 {  8:25pm, 2019 }: 5^(-4)  Xϕʚȷ
      I seldom see my ( black/blank ) "Desktop" window.

DFS wrote:
> Relf apparently never sees Explorer.EXE.

I seldom see my ( black/blank ) "Desktop" window;
instead, I use "Explorer.EXE".

My customizations of "Explorer" are complex;
it looks like this:

  http://Jeff-Relf.Me/Relfs-File-Explorer.PNG

I wrote my own console, similar to the DOS console;
but it runs only C++ routines, not DOS/PowerShell commands.

  http://Jeff-Relf.Me/X.HTM

Other customizations:

  http://Jeff-Relf.Me/Win10.REG.TXT
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              SteveCarroll  qm08tg$630$6@dont-email.me
            DFS  JeoiF.266562$243.209529@fx36.iad
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.24--10.58am.Seattle.2019
        Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37f4260e8cadf893d43@news.altopia.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.24--3.52pm.Seattle.2019
    Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37f44f02255c446cd45@news.altopia.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.24--5.29pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m164 Mad; 19.9 Minutes, MicroPlanet, Alt.NET➤NET-Abuse.Checkmate,  Sep 24 {  5: 4pm, 2019 }:56^(-7)  Xϕɸж
      "Vittles Vault" is a trademark.

Checkmate replied ( to me ):
> > > > My Vittles Vault smells/looks/works better than your toilet.
> > > 
> > > Have you applied for a patent or a trademark yet ?
> > 
> > "Vittles Vault" is a trademark.
> 
> Why would you call feces "vittles" ?

I didn't name it, it's not my trademark.

It's designed to store dog food.
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              .  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.18--1.44pm.Seattle.2019
            .  M0zgF.255428$243.226682@fx36.iad
          .  qm08tg$630$6@dont-email.me
        .  JeoiF.266562$243.209529@fx36.iad
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.24--10.58am.Seattle.2019
    Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37f4260e8cadf893d43@news.altopia.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.24--3.52pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 3  m316 Mad; 1.6 Hours, MicroPlanet, Alt.NET➤NET-Abuse.Checkmate,  Sep 24 {  2:10pm, 2019 }: 9^(-7)  XϕɛϷ
      "Vittles Vault" is a trademark.

Checkmate replied ( to me ):
> > My Vittles Vault smells/looks/works better than your toilet.
> 
> Have you applied for a patent or a trademark yet ?

"Vittles Vault" is a trademark.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.23--6.09pm.Seattle.2019
            Chris│ithinkiam@gmail_com  qmcg7l$mgu$1@dont-email.me
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.24--1.27am.Seattle.2019
        HughHuntzinger  6292a73c-9a99-4df8-970d-83df20d740a3@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.24--10.52am.Seattle.2019
    Chris│ithinkiam@gmail_com  qme3ra$r5p$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.24--3.29pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m6 Cool; 2.5 Minutes, NewsTap➤iPhone, Eternal-September.ORG,  Sep 24 {  3: 3pm, 2019 }:22  Xϕɤγ
      Chris' sacred shadows.

Chris replied ( to me ):
> > > there weren't many humans around then, were there ? 
> > 
> > That's what evangelical Christians say about dinosaurs:
> > 
> >   " You weren't there, so you don't know. "
> > 
> > Likewise, your " irrefutable science " cult lives in the shadows.
> 
> Wow. If that's your benchmark of salient argument 
> then there's not much left to say. 

Sorry if I shone some light into your sacred shadows,
chasing your God away -- you had better avoid me.
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            .  77a23e47-12ab-46d7-9d9d-bc51e378f51a@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.23--6.09pm.Seattle.2019
        Chris│ithinkiam@gmail_com  qmcg7l$mgu$1@dont-email.me
      Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  8mrkoe12c7n1bknnfd5v78ug0l5agudemh@4ax.com
    Chris│ithinkiam@gmail_com  qme36n$lu4$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.24--3.20pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m6 Cool; 13.5 Minutes, NewsTap➤iPhone, Eternal-September.ORG,  Sep 24 {  2:52pm, 2019 }:23  XϕɢЕ
      Hurricanes aren't new to the Bahamas.

Hurricanes aren't new to the Bahamas;
no, what's new is all the people living there now.

The entire planet shouldn't give up its sovereignty just to
(notionally) "save" the fools who built shacks in "Hurricane Alley".

Also, fires are natural; especially now, when there's enough 
warmth, water, and carbon dioxide to grow plentiful forests.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.24--1.27am.Seattle.2019
            HughHuntzinger  6292a73c-9a99-4df8-970d-83df20d740a3@googlegroups.com
          SteveCarroll  qmdfak$955$3@dont-email.me
        HughHuntzinger  74fccb43-41ad-4d31-861b-3c0532c6d073@googlegroups.com
      SteveCarroll  qmdm5c$vsg$1@dont-email.me
    HughHuntzinger  616e1fdd-3a67-474a-b89d-073d70e59b4b@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.24--1.49pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m54 Top; 1.6 Hours, GoogleG, 143.85.5.18,  Sep 24 { 11:47am, 2019 }:24^(PDT)  Xϕȹგ
      Since when was it a good idea for the government to control production ?!

AOC is Doctor Evil; if we don't do what she says, we're toast.
Her "science" is irrefutable, we're told.

Her "Green New Deal" reminds me of China's "Great Leap Backward" (1958),
its "Cultural Devolution" (1966), and today's "Mega Ghost Town" quotas.

Since when was it a good idea for the government to control production ?!

How many tons of nails must we produce this year, comrade ?
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          Se7en│Se7en@cock_email  qlrbi9$1es6$1@gioia.aioe.org
        KWills_Shill_#3│compuelf@gmail_  omh2oed8c0oq0le7i2mrplef7cjttngk11@4ax.com
      Johann_Beretta│beretta@nun-ya  qmbk1l$mlp$1@dont-email.me
    SteveCarroll  qmde3c$955$2@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.24--11.10am.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Censorship, Alt.Comp.OS.Linux, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Politics, Alt.Conspiracy
    ╱ 1  m152 Cool; 1.3 Hours, slrn➤openMac, Eternal-September.ORG,  Sep 24 {  8:52am, 2019 }:12  XϕcϺ
      In Japan, it's legal for an older man to have sex with a 13-year-old.

In Japan, it's legal for an older man to have sex with a 13-year-old.

In America, you have to shoot yourself if people think you might've
had sex with a 17-year-old, 20 years ago.

Personally, I don't have sex with anyone.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.18--10.42am.Seattle.2019
            DFS  yswgF.527603$6H5.196397@fx45.iad
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.18--1.44pm.Seattle.2019
        DFS  M0zgF.255428$243.226682@fx36.iad
      SteveCarroll  qm08tg$630$6@dont-email.me
    DFS  JeoiF.266562$243.209529@fx36.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.24--10.58am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m100 Top; 4.4 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win8.1, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Sep 24 {  5:46am, 2019 }:28^(-4)  Xϕ7К
      My Vittles Vault smells/looks/works better than your toilet.

DFS replied ( to Steve ):
> > I don't even wanna know what the rest of them are sh*tting in ;)
> 
> LOL!  It's gross.

My Vittles Vault smells/looks/works better than your toilet.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.22--11.07pm.Seattle.2019
            .  77a23e47-12ab-46d7-9d9d-bc51e378f51a@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.23--6.09pm.Seattle.2019
        Chris│ithinkiam@gmail_com  qmcg7l$mgu$1@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.24--1.27am.Seattle.2019
    HughHuntzinger  6292a73c-9a99-4df8-970d-83df20d740a3@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.24--10.52am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m51 Top; 6 Hours, GoogleG, 173.54.111.20,  Sep 24 {  4: 7am, 2019 }:11^(PDT)  XϓჭȽ
      Your " irrefutable science " cult lives in the shadows.

Hugh replied ( to me ):
> > So there you have it, all you have to do is imagine 
> > a huge downward spike in atmospheric carbon dioxide,
> > so short-lived, we can't properly measure it.
> 
> [ how precise were the measurements that
>   said that CO2 was at ~5600 ppm 444m years ago ?  ]

CO2 was that high for tens of millions of years, apparently.

Geologically speaking, humanity is a tiny fraction of a rounding error.

> there weren't many humans around then, were there ? 

That's what evangelical Christians say about dinosaurs:

  " You weren't there, so you don't know. "

Likewise, your " irrefutable science " cult lives in the shadows.

> [ Exxon's ] 'scientists' are perpetrating cherrypicking of anecdotes.

Likewise, your " irrefutable science " cult cherry-picks anecdotes.
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              Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  qm3m65$1i8g$3@gioia.aioe.org
            PaulAlsing  e5e5a276-62a3-42b7-9368-a3b8c0daf5c2@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.22--11.07pm.Seattle.2019
        PaulAlsing  77a23e47-12ab-46d7-9d9d-bc51e378f51a@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.23--6.09pm.Seattle.2019
    Chris│ithinkiam@gmail_com  qmcg7l$mgu$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.24--1.27am.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m4 Cool; 4.2 Minutes, NewsTap➤iPhone, Eternal-September.ORG,  Sep 24 {   :22am, 2019 }:29  XϓчЛ
      So short-lived, we can't properly measure it.

"ithinkiam" replied ( to me ):
> > 440 million years ago, in the Earth's coldest period,
> > carbon dioxide levels were 11 times higher than they are today.
> 
> you don't show any evidence

Google: carbon-dioxide  Ordovician-glaciation

  [ in the late Ordovician, 444 million years ago ] 
  CO2 levels were very high, around 5'600 parts per million . 

  However, glaciers were so far-reaching during the late Ordovician,
  it coincided with one of the largest marine mass extinction events 
  in Earth history.  
             ...
  How continental glaciation could have formed when 
  carbon dioxide levels were so high has been a paradox. 

  Recently it has been proposed that the terminal Ordovician glaciation
  was triggered through a combination of the placement of Africa 
  over the South Pole and A SHORT-LIVED DRAWDOWN of atmospheric 
  carbon dioxide.  

So there you have it, all you have to do is imagine 
a huge downward spike in atmospheric carbon dioxide,
so short-lived, we can't properly measure it.
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          Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  qm3m65$1i8g$3@gioia.aioe.org
        PaulAlsing  e5e5a276-62a3-42b7-9368-a3b8c0daf5c2@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.22--11.07pm.Seattle.2019
    PaulAlsing  77a23e47-12ab-46d7-9d9d-bc51e378f51a@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.23--6.09pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m30 Cool; 1.3 Hours, GoogleG,  Sep 23 {  3:39pm, 2019 }:13^(PDT)  XϓϑΣ
      Seattle used to be under a glacier.

Paul Alsing replied ( to me ):
> > No one could ever pry Paul's hands off his Kool-Aid.
> 
> I've not tasted Kool-Aid and 
> I don't understand why you think otherwise.

Google: drinking the Kool-Aid
       
> > Four Climate Scientists Destroy Climate Change Alarmism:
> >   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqejXs7XgsU
> 
> there is plenty of evidence in support of man-driven climate change. 

Every time I mention your apocalypse cult, you always come back to:
" our climate is changing " -- thank you, Captain Obvious.

> This video was produced by the Heartland Institute, 
> a well-known climate-contrarian organization funded, in part, by Exxon, 

You attack the people ( Exxon ) who funded the research
so you don't have to examine it -- well done, scientist.

Exxon is evil, obviously, because they provide us
with the energy we need to survive -- May God have mercy on their souls.
I can't imagine a more sinister crime.

> Tom Harris works for the International Climate Science Coalition

Right, so he isn't allowed to comment on your Apocalypse cult.
That'd be heresy, and you won't allow it.

> Stanely B Goldenberg, is an actual meteorologist

Yes, and the hysteria he quoted from the American Meteorological Society,
1922, is no different from they're saying today:

  " Within a few years, the sea will rise, 
    making most coastal cities uninhabitable. "

My hometown, Seattle used to be under a glacier.

> Richard Keen, has a PhD in Geography! 

Google:  Richard Keen University of Colorado

Ph.D., Geography/Climatology, University of Colorado.
Richard A. Keen is instructor emeritus at the University of Colorado
Department of Atmospheric and Oceanic Sciences (ATOC).
And "Professor in the Astrophysical & Planetary Sci.".

Besides, what kind of credentials does one need 
to denounce an Apocalypse cult ?

> blatant cherry picking of historical data

Now we've come to the heart of the matter.
_ You _ have cherry picked the historical data.

Seattle used to be under a glacier.

Only 5 to 10 % of the time was our planet ever cooler than it is now.

440 million years ago, in the Earth's coldest period,
carbon dioxide levels were 11 times higher than they are today.
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          FabianRussell  qm7l0o011j7@news1.newsguy.com
        SteveCarroll  qm7v2o$sas$1@dont-email.me
      FabianRussell  qm80o20169b@news1.newsguy.com
    SteveCarroll  qmame3$q3e$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.23--0.28pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10
    ╱ 3  m148 Cool; 3.3 Hours, slrn➤openMac, Eternal-September.ORG,  Sep 23 {  7:56am, 2019 }: 3  Xϓʕɻ
      Yesterday's "dumb terminal" is now called a "smart phone".

Yesterday's "dumb terminal" is now called a "smart phone".

The only time I ever wanted one ( an 80 $ Amazon Fire tablet )
was when my PC broke down, and I needed to order new parts.

Dumb terminals are far, FAR better than nothing,
and they're good enough for Joe sixpack, but they can't replace my PC,
with its Windows 10 desktop, Visual Studio 2019 compiler+editor+debugger,

Microsoft Word/Excel, Bria soft phone ( including text messages ), 
DOS command prompt, WinSCP ( FTP ), 
Zoom Player ( complete control over 4K, 60 FPS videos ),

OpenShot video editor, qBitTorrent, laser printer/scanner,
highly customizable browsers ( http://Jeff-Relf.Me/SearchBar.PNG ), 
custom email/USENET/console app ( http://Jeff-Relf.Me/X.HTM ),

CORSAIR CX Series 650 Watt Power Supply,
Logitech g600 mouse ( http://Jeff-Relf.Me/MouseKeyboardLayout.PNG ),
highly advanced, customizable speech-to-text,

Ergotech Freedom Arm, Heavy Duty, 30 lbs Max, ( Tilt: 45° Dwn, 90° Up ), 
360° Pole, 27" Reach monitor arm, 40" curved 4K monitor, 

512 gig, USB 3.1 "Corsair Flash Voyager GTX" thumb Drive,
1 TeraByte, "Samsung 970 EVO Plus" ( 3.5 R / 3.3 W GigaBytes/Sec ) 
PCIe Gen 3.0 x4, NVMe 1.3 SSD.
■
      Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  qm3m65$1i8g$3@gioia.aioe.org
    PaulAlsing  e5e5a276-62a3-42b7-9368-a3b8c0daf5c2@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.22--11.07pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m27 Cool; 21.4 Minutes, GoogleG,  Sep 22 { 10:29pm, 2019 }:57^(PDT)  Xϓsჳ
      No one and nothing could ever pry Paul Alsing's hands off his Kool-Aid.

Unable to access Google, Paul Alsing imagined:
> Still can't find an actual climate scientist
> who denies climate change, eh ?

Change is obvious, doom and gloom is religious.
No one and nothing could ever pry Paul's hands off his Kool-Aid.
       
Four Climate Scientists Destroy Climate Change Alarmism:

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqejXs7XgsU

Paul won't watch this video, I guarantee you.
It's against his religion.
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              Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  qm6t76$1su9$1@gioia.aioe.org
            PaulAlsing  439b5342-54d4-46e0-ac25-8899982048a9@googlegroups.com
          Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  qm84an$1b5i$1@gioia.aioe.org
        PaulAlsing  a1ff22c7-47ce-40ab-9f8d-e28f8c462f63@googlegroups.com
      Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  qm8r28$jau$1@gioia.aioe.org
    PaulAlsing  d7db73e4-1bae-4dc0-8798-470f96d89530@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.22--10.49pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m26 Cool; 12.2 Minutes, GoogleG,  Sep 22 { 10:12pm, 2019 }:26^(PDT)  XϓqQ
      The Pope talking about Catholicism.

Sam Wormley talks about climate change 
like the Pope talks about Catholicism;
everyone knows what he's going to say long before he says it.

Likewise, I wouldn't trust anything Kensi or 
Ed Prochak might have to say about it;
their minds are closed tighter than Kim Kardashian's dress.
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              Ken_Springer│wordworks  qm5cqu$nu5$1@news.albasani.net
            VanguardLH│V@nguard_LH  1cp36pwu4c12e$.dlg@v.nguard.lh
          Ken_Springer│wordworks  qm80ut$oqj$1@news.albasani.net
        VanguardLH│V@nguard_LH  15klxtohb9u5r$.dlg@v.nguard.lh
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.22--0.18pm.Seattle.2019
    Ken_Springer│wordworks  qm8ifp$prr$1@news.albasani.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.22--1.18pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10
    ╱ 1  m88 Cool; 38.5 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Mac, Albasani.NET,  Sep 22 {   :36pm, 2019 }:24^(-6)  XϒъO
      The zooming sticks.  Click to unzoom.

Ken replied ( to me ):
> > Zooming in/out, using Cntrl-wheel, is the best solution.
> > Microsoft should implement this everywhere, file Explorer, Win32 API, etc.
> 
> For a short period, yes.  But not for 24/7 use, 
> where the computer is likely to be shut down and restarted.

No, the zooming sticks.  Click to unzoom.
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              Ken_Springer│wordworks  qm4m5u$tf$1@news.albasani.net
            VanguardLH│V@nguard_LH  khayulunig.dlg@v.nguard.lh
          Ken_Springer│wordworks  qm5cqu$nu5$1@news.albasani.net
        VanguardLH│V@nguard_LH  1cp36pwu4c12e$.dlg@v.nguard.lh
      Ken_Springer│wordworks  qm80ut$oqj$1@news.albasani.net
    VanguardLH│V@nguard_LH  15klxtohb9u5r$.dlg@v.nguard.lh
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.22--0.18pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10
    ╱ 1  m52 Cool; 15.1 Minutes, 40tude, Individual.NET,  Sep 22 { 11:58am, 2019 }:47^(-5)  XϒуЭ
      Zooming in/out, using Cntrl-wheel, is the best solution.

Zooming in/out, using Cntrl-wheel, is the best solution.
Microsoft should implement this everywhere, file Explorer, Win32 API, etc.
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    FabianRussell  qm366v2lrs@news3.newsguy.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.22--10.20am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    -Dropped, 1.9 Days, Pan, Newsguy.COM, Newsdawg.COM,  Sep 20 { 11:36am, 2019 }:15  XϑΛF
      The middle-of-the-road method ( a.k.a. apathy ).

Fabian Russell imagined:
> After a few beers, one of the lovely ladies expresses 
> a need to use the "powder room."
> The gracious host, Relf, points to the Vittles Vault.

"My" place is party-central, and randos are using 
all 5 bathrooms extensively, taking showers around-the-clock.

No police to chase them out, like in Texas and Arkansas;
that'd be too right-wing.  Besides, 
each jail bed costs the city 100 thousand $ per year.

No housing for the strays, the unwanted, the undesirables, 
the homeless; that'd be too left-wing, too expensive, too enabling.

No, what we have is the middle-of-the-road method ( a.k.a. apathy ):

  Jeff Relf will take care of it.
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              MrChrisV  nbvunedm2e155q66v4k90sdpv7umcn5gsc@4ax.com
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.16--6.10am.Seattle.2019
          Paul│nospam@needed_invalid  qlo8h4$bfa$1@dont-email.me
        Carlos_E_R_│robin_listas@es_  829h5g-73a.ln1@Telcontar.valinor
      Rene_Lamontagne│rlamont@shaw_  gunbm1FgnjaU1@mid.individual.net
    Paul│nospam@needed_invalid  qm64fi$b2s$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.21--3.15pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m13 Top; 21 Minutes, Ratcatcher/2_0_0_25, Eternal-September.ORG,  Sep 21 {  2:25pm, 2019 }: 6^(-4)  Xϒɞȸ
      Silicon Dioxide, in the form of "Amorphous Silica Gel" (CimeXa).

Paul noted:
> Gastrolyte Nonmedicinal ingredients:  silicon dioxide.

Silicon Dioxide, in the form of "Amorphous Silica Gel" (CimeXa)
applied via a puffer, is a dessicant that slowly ( days )
kills bedbugs for up to 10 years.

It's as harmless as salt, but you don't want it in your eyes.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.14--2.27pm.Seattle.2019
            Carlos_E_R_│robin_listas@es_  gu54pjFm5goU1@mid.individual.net
          MrChrisV  nbvunedm2e155q66v4k90sdpv7umcn5gsc@4ax.com
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.16--6.10am.Seattle.2019
      Paul│nospam@needed_invalid  qlo8h4$bfa$1@dont-email.me
    Carlos_E_R_│robin_listas@es_  829h5g-73a.ln1@Telcontar.valinor
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.21--11.03am.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m7 Shifty; 7.5 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤X11, Individual.NET,  Sep 21 {  3: 2am, 2019 }:16^(2)  Xϑტʈ
      TOO LITTLE SALT IS BAD.

We have plenty of access to clean, fresh water;
so drinking ordinary seawater is harmless.
You won't be tempted to drink too much.

In fact, plenty of people buy sea salt,
which is just dehydrated seawater.

If you've lost liquids to sweat or diarrhea, try eating some sea salt;
after that, you'll feel the desire to drink plenty of fresh water.

Most people here, including Paul and Carlos, promote very expensive, 
very mysterious, re-hydration methods.  You guys keep spending 
thousands and thousands of dollars to sate your wild imaginations.

No need to try what I suggest;
we all know that your ideas are better because they cost more,
and because... magic.         TOO LITTLE SALT IS BAD.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.19--8.59pm.Seattle.2019
            Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37ee18c9a77bde70ccc@news.altopia.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.20--5.23am.Seattle.2019
        FatCat│noemail@noemail_invalid  qm2s7j$1sgo$2@gioia.aioe.org
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.20--9.07am.Seattle.2019
    Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37eee45eb21ffdd6ce8@news.altopia.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.20--3.19pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m178 Mad; 2.8 Minutes, MicroPlanet, Alt.NET➤NET-Abuse.Checkmate,  Sep 20 {  2:28pm, 2019 }:37^(-7)  XϑοУ
      Every junkie is a setting sun.

"Checkmate" replied ( to me ):
> > Tobacco is the "drug" that Einstein, Mark Twain,
> > Clint Eastwood, and centenarians use.
> > 
> >   I believe that pipe smoking contributes to 
> >   a somewhat calm and objective judgment in all human affairs.
> >     -- Einstein upon joining the Montreal Pipe Smokers Club (1950)
> 
> So you "don't do drugs" except for the drugs you do.
> At least I'm honest about what I do, and do so legally 
> with my doctor's recommendation and approval.

Yeah, Einstein was quite the "drug addict" (not).

You're in the Michael Jackson and Prince club;
every junkie is a setting sun.
■
              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.19--2.52pm.Seattle.2019
            Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37ede09621709964cbb@news.altopia.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.19--8.59pm.Seattle.2019
        Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37ee18c9a77bde70ccc@news.altopia.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.20--5.23am.Seattle.2019
    FatCat│noemail@noemail_invalid  qm2s7j$1sgo$2@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.20--9.07am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m1 Shifty; 3.8 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win7, Aioe.ORG,  Sep 20 {  8:46am, 2019 }: 1^(-4)  Xϑʝϡ
      Einstein, Mark Twain, Clint Eastwood, and centenarians.

"FatCat" replied ( to me ):
> > I don't do drugs of any kind, not even caffeine.
> 
> I thought you said you smoke and even roll your own?
> Nicotine is a drug.

Yeah, but tobacco is the "drug" that Einstein, Mark Twain,
Clint Eastwood, and centenarians use.

  I believe that pipe smoking contributes to 
  a somewhat calm and objective judgment in all human affairs.

    -- Einstein upon joining the Montreal Pipe Smokers Club (1950)

  There are people who strictly deprive themselves of 
  each and every eatable, drinkable and smokable which 
  has in any way acquired a shady reputation. 

  They pay this price for health. 
  And health is all they get for it. 

  How strange it is.  It is like paying out your 
  whole fortune for a cow that has gone dry.        
    -- Mark Twain's Autobiography (1924) p. 98  
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.19--2.52pm.Seattle.2019
            Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37ede09621709964cbb@news.altopia.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.19--8.59pm.Seattle.2019
        Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37ee18c9a77bde70ccc@news.altopia.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.20--5.23am.Seattle.2019
    Skeeter│invalid@invalid_com  MPG.37ee8f6c4cd531fe9898b0@news.eternal-september.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.20--8.01am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m54 Dropped; 17.6 Minutes, MicroPlanet, Eternal-September.ORG,  Sep 20 {  7:26am, 2019 }:10^(-6)  Xϑʐʂ
      No Nazi police.  No Soviet housing.

Skeeter replied ( to me ):
> > Some people barf+shit all over the bathrooms.
> > Squatters ( and their many friends ) shoot up
> > and pass out in the ( locked ) bathrooms.
> 
> You're a slum lord.

People say they want "low income housing",
until they realize that it means things like
"the projects", and "tent cities".

Nobody wants to house them ( the unwanted, the strays ),
not even in jails.  No Nazi police.  No Soviet housing.
They are the undesirables, too ugly to look at.

If there were a better way, 
we would've already gone that route.

This year has been quite different from the previous 11;
truly, it reminds me of 2005-2007.

Trump might pump enough money into the economy to get re-elected; 
but, after that, he'll get fiscally conservative and... POP !
  ... we'll be reliving 2008-2010 again.

" You only find out who is swimming naked when the tide goes out. "
    -- Warren Buffett

  ... and I'm seeing nudists everywhere.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.19--9.23am.Seattle.2019
            Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37ed95b0b55a13eecba@news.altopia.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.19--2.52pm.Seattle.2019
        Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37ede09621709964cbb@news.altopia.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.19--8.59pm.Seattle.2019
    Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37ee18c9a77bde70ccc@news.altopia.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.20--5.23am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 8  m173 Mad; 4.8 Hours, MicroPlanet, Alt.NET➤NET-Abuse.Checkmate,  Sep 19 { 11:59pm, 2019 }:59^(-7)  XϑȻჵ
      Micro-Apartments in the big city.

Checky replied ( to me ):
> > I take zero drugs, absolutely none, legal or otherwise.
> 
> You just said a day or two ago that you tried Xanax.

I'm 60 years old, and I tried it once ( I slept for days, not fun );
you, on the other hand, take it daily.

Can't you see the difference ?

So, please think twice before calling me a "druggie".
I don't do drugs of any kind, not even caffeine.

"Rooming Houses" ( a.k.a. "shared housing" ) have SHARED bathrooms.

It's a pain-in-the-ass to continually leave one's PRIVATE room
to use the COMMUNAL bathroom, going up+down stairs.

Some people have mobility issues that make it even more difficult.

Some people barf+shit all over the bathrooms.
Squatters ( and their many friends ) shoot up
and pass out in the ( locked ) bathrooms.

Considering the above, it's much better if you can 
"do your business" without leaving your PRIVATE room, right ?

Hence:

  I'd rent them "Vittles Vault" containers,
  and charge them to get rid of the contents ( human waste ).
  
  It's cheaper and more convenient than the alternatives.
  Piss into a measuring cup, shit into a soup ladle.

GenZ doesn't want to fuck with tenants, housemates, family, etc.;
they've no desire to pay-for and maintain huge fucking houses.
No, they want micro-apartments, in the big city.

My service would be a money-making opportunity.
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              .  M0zgF.255428$243.226682@fx36.iad
            .  qm08tg$630$6@dont-email.me
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.19--9.23am.Seattle.2019
        Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37ed95b0b55a13eecba@news.altopia.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.1dense9--2.52pm.Seattle.2019
    Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37ede09621709964cbb@news.altopia.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.19--8.59pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m302 Mad; 51.9 Minutes, MicroPlanet, Alt.NET➤NET-Abuse.Checkmate,  Sep 19 {  8:  pm, 2019 }:15^(-7)  XϑUF
      I take zero drugs, absolutely none, legal or otherwise.

Checkmate replied ( to me ):
> > I'm talking about servicing people who are renting rooms.
> > I rent them "Vittles Vault" containers,
> > and charge them to get rid of the contents ( human waste ).
> > 
> > It's cheaper and more convenient than the alternatives.
> > Piss into a measuring cup, shit into a soup ladle.
> 
> Shitting on the sidewalk is free.

So, in your drug addled-brain ( OxyContins, Xanax, etc. ),
my tenants are leaving the house ( with its 5 bathrooms ),
walking down a few streets, and then squatting ?!

Note: I take zero drugs, absolutely none, legal or otherwise.

I don't even drink coffee, no caffeine of any kind.
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              DFS  yswgF.527603$6H5.196397@fx45.iad
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.18--1.44pm.Seattle.2019
          DFS  M0zgF.255428$243.226682@fx36.iad
        SteveCarroll  qm08tg$630$6@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.19--9.23am.Seattle.2019
    Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37ed95b0b55a13eecba@news.altopia.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.19--2.52pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 4  m162 Cool; 4.8 Minutes, MicroPlanet, Alt.NET➤NET-Abuse.Checkmate,  Sep 19 {  2:40pm, 2019 }:33^(-7)  XϐპП
      Piss into a measuring cup, shit into a soup ladle.

Checkmate replied ( to me ):
> > I should start a porta-potty service for my tenants.
> > I could make it an app, and go global.
> > Imagine the IPO.
> 
> People would be in there shooting up and having sex.

Yes, but I'm talking about servicing people who are renting rooms.
I rent them "Vittles Vault" containers,
and charge them to get rid of the contents ( human waste ).

It's cheaper and more convenient than the alternatives.
Piss into a measuring cup, shit into a soup ladle.
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              DFS  tgtgF.283225$BJ1.172124@fx43.iad
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.18--10.42am.Seattle.2019
          DFS  yswgF.527603$6H5.196397@fx45.iad
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.18--1.44pm.Seattle.2019
      DFS  M0zgF.255428$243.226682@fx36.iad
    SteveCarroll  qm08tg$630$6@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.19--9.23am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 6  m198 Mad; 14.1 Minutes, slrn➤openMac, Eternal-September.ORG,  Sep 19 {  9: 4am, 2019 }: 1  XϐЦϡ
      I should start a porta-potty service for my tenants.

Steve Carroll replied ( to DFS ):
> > Aren't you [JeffRelf] the crazy family member ?
> 
> I don't even wanna know what the rest of them are sh*tting in ;)

I should start a porta-potty service for my tenants.
I could make it an app, and go global.
Imagine the IPO.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.18--0.22pm.Seattle.2019
            Pandora│pandora@peak_org  chqt9h.qv2.19.1@news.alt.net
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.18--4.11pm.Seattle.2019
        Just_Wondering│JW@jw_com  gTygF.382939$cG6.83520@fx34.iad
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.18--4.31pm.Seattle.2019
    Just_Wondering│JW@jw_com  SmzgF.284189$BJ1.217988@fx43.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.18--5.20pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Checkmate, Sci.Physics, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 1  m16 Dropped; 17.3 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, HighWinds➤Usenet-News.NET,  Sep 18 {  4:48pm, 2019 }: 2^(-6)  Xϐɶ2
      The 300 lb fat man isn't better than the 150 lb boxer.

JW replied ( to me ):
> > > > The smartest people in the world, "The Asian Tigers",
> > > > have a "fertility rate" of .98 kids per woman per lifetime.
> > > > Replacement level is 2.08 kids.
> > >
> > > It's not very smart to deliberately die off.
> > 
> > Quality matters more than quantity.
> 
> Not if the quantity becomes zero.

Zero is an unlikely number.

Fewer, higher-quality people is best.
The 300 lb fat man isn't better than the 150 lb boxer.

> It makes me think the people doing the ranking
> aren't so smart themselves.

It depends on what standards you use.

Percent of students achieving advanced scores:

   1  71.37  Singapore
   2  66.85  South Korea
   3  66.66  Hong Kong
   4  63.21  Taiwan
   5  58.01  Japan
   6  38.46  Russia
   7  38.27  China
   8  37.02  Macao
   9  32.64  Kazakhstan
  10  32.06  Liechtenstein
  11  31.93  Switzerland
  12  30.03  Ireland
  13  29.84  US
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              FabianRussell  qltk6002clm@news1.newsguy.com
            DFS  kftgF.66622$Xe3.22013@fx32.iad
          FabianRussell  qltnno02e4j@news1.newsguy.com
        DFS  DQtgF.447993$oq9.429660@fx47.iad
      SteveCarroll  qltpvs$ctc$3@dont-email.me
    DFS  %%ygF.255427$243.247580@fx36.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.18--4.58pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 3  m112 Top; 15.7 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win8.1, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Sep 18 {  4:22pm, 2019 }:33^(-4)  XϐɱП
      Poor Fabian.

DFS replied ( to Steve ):
> Feeb is 38 ?  He acts like he's 11.
> 
> It's because his Mom never made him get a job and leave her house.

He'd put you in jail for repairing your roof,
and have his buddies shank you while you're there ?

All code should be C, not C++, no extensions nor macros ?
No one should ever automate their browser, nor Excel ?

Deamons are evil ?!  Graphics are for idiots ?!

Richard Stallman is a God;
no one should ever pay for software ?!

If he's real, and not just pulling our legs, I feel sorry for him.
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              SteveCarroll  qltko1$1pi$5@dont-email.me
            DFS  tgtgF.283225$BJ1.172124@fx43.iad
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.18--10.42am.Seattle.2019
        DFS  yswgF.527603$6H5.196397@fx45.iad
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.18--1.44pm.Seattle.2019
    DFS  M0zgF.255428$243.226682@fx36.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.18--4.43pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 4  m112 Top; 14.9 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win8.1, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Sep 18 {  4:23pm, 2019 }:21^(-4)  Xϐɱя
      No crazy family members, nagging me to do this and that.

DFS replied ( to me ):
> > But there are advantages to eating/smoking what I want,
> > when I want.  I feel absolutely no need to impress anyone.
> > No crazy family members, nagging me to do this and that.
> 
> Aren't you the crazy family member?

If you say so, dad.

" You can live to be a hundred if you give up 
  all the things that make you want to live 
  to be a hundred. " -- Woody Allen.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.18--6.45am.Seattle.2019
            Pandora│pandora@peak_org  chqbou.l9a.19.1@news.alt.net
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.18--0.22pm.Seattle.2019
        Pandora│pandora@peak_org  chqt9h.qv2.19.1@news.alt.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.18--4.11pm.Seattle.2019
    Just_Wondering│JW@jw_com  gTygF.382939$cG6.83520@fx34.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.18--4.31pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Checkmate, Sci.Physics, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 1  m15 Dropped; 2.5 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, HighWinds➤Usenet-News.NET,  Sep 18 {  4:14pm, 2019 }:20^(-6)  Xϐɰʌ
      Quality matters more than quantity.

JW replied ( to me ):
> > The smartest people in the world, "The Asian Tigers",
> > have a "fertility rate" of .98 kids per woman per lifetime.
> > Replacement level is 2.08 kids.
> 
> It's not very smart to deliberately die off.

Quality matters more than quantity.
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              Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37eb29441230cc02c6c@news.altopia.com
            MsNadegda  qls871$uca$52@dont-email.me
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.18--6.45am.Seattle.2019
        Pandora│pandora@peak_org  chqbou.l9a.19.1@news.alt.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.18--0.22pm.Seattle.2019
    Pandora│pandora@peak_org  chqt9h.qv2.19.1@news.alt.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.18--4.11pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Checkmate, Sci.Physics, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 1  m13 Dropped; 1.5 Hours, Pan, Alt.NET,  Sep 18 {  2:31pm, 2019 }:59  Xϐɟɷ
      Why have a ball-n-chain, if you can avoid it ?

Pandora replied ( to me ):
> > My father's income was enough to raise a family of 8.
> > We don't see that anymore; women ditch their men, taking their kids,
> > their salary, and their dignity.
> > 
> > You can thank feminists for this.
> 
> And the men they are married to.

True, men want their women to be independent.
Why have a ball-n-chain, if you can avoid it ?

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              HughHuntzinger  5ea7cdb0-fee7-4f2b-a290-92e9868cd00b@googlegroups.com
            FabianRussell  qltk6002clm@news1.newsguy.com
          DFS  kftgF.66622$Xe3.22013@fx32.iad
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.18--10.36am.Seattle.2019
      DFS  rBwgF.71$zU2.15@fx01.iad
    FabianRussell  qlub1a02o35@news1.newsguy.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.18--3.55pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m171 Dropped; 14.9 Minutes, Pan, Newsguy.COM➤NewsGuy.COM, Newsdawg.COM,  Sep 18 {  3:27pm, 2019 }:54  XϐɨϚ
      I'm living in a house built in 1926, 93 years ago.

Fabian wrote:
> A house (home) should last for a thousand years, 
> and in Europe many of them do.  

I'm living in a house built in 1926, 93 years ago.

In Japan, "newer" homes are torn down after 30 years, on average.
Wars and earthquakes have sped up this process, I imagine.
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          Unlisted│unlisted@nomail_com  fj43oephbjuqob1h6acj9hheg60bk8omli@4ax.com
        Paul│nospam@needed_invalid  qlskb8$mdg$1@dont-email.me
      J_P_Gilliver(John│G6JPG  yKKMFBteyegdFwoz@255soft.uk
    David_E_Ross│nobody@nowhere_  qlthg0$mo9$1@news.albasani.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.18--3.41pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Alt.Windows7.General
    ╱ 1  m3 Cool; 6.1 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win7, Albasani.NET,  Sep 18 {  8:11am, 2019 }:59^(-7)  XϐVჵ
      Firefox is willing to use half of the free space on your drive.

David Ross wrote:
> For a few years now, Firefox uses places.sqlite not only for bookmarks
> but also for browsing history.  The size of the file is fixed at 10 MB.

Mine is over 81 megabytes, and it goes back many years.

Apparently, "places.history.expiration.transient_current_max_pages"
can't be larger than 193'703.

I Googled: maximum history, quantum Firefox

There's no longer a time limit.
I think Firefox is willing to use half of the free space on your drive.
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              DFS  kXrgF.211785$9i3.208967@fx42.iad
            FabianRussell  qltil502c0p@news1.newsguy.com
          SteveCarroll  qltko1$1pi$5@dont-email.me
        DFS  tgtgF.283225$BJ1.172124@fx43.iad
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.18--10.42am.Seattle.2019
    DFS  yswgF.527603$6H5.196397@fx45.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.18--1.44pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 2  m106 Top; 9.7 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win8.1, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Sep 18 {  1:28pm, 2019 }:35^(-4)  XϐɔС
      No crazy family members, nagging me to do this and that.

DFS wrote:
> I once dropped 40lbs (220 to 180), and the extra energy 
> at 180 was amazing.   Basically never felt tired during the day.
> Heartburn went away, too.

Overeating prompts heartburn, I know.

But there are advantages to eating/smoking what I want, 
when I want.  I feel absolutely no need to impress anyone.
No crazy family members, nagging me to do this and that.
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              FabianRussell  qltk6002clm@news1.newsguy.com
            DFS  kftgF.66622$Xe3.22013@fx32.iad
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.18--10.36am.Seattle.2019
        SteveCarroll  qltq9a$ctc$5@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.18--11.38am.Seattle.2019
    SteveCarroll  qlu32i$ap9$2@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.18--1.29pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m198 Mad; 11.5 Minutes, slrn➤openMac, Eternal-September.ORG,  Sep 18 {  1:12pm, 2019 }: 2  Xϐɒ2
      Not being anchored to crazy family members is a blessing.

Steve Carroll replied ( to me ):
> > No one wants low-income housing 
> > ( e.g. "the projects", or "tent cities" ), especially the neighbors.
> > If there were a better way, we would've already gone that route.
> 
> There once was a better way... 
> but we stopped teaching people's values decades ago.

True, Japan and China don't have this problem.
Families take care of their poor and disabled.
Then again, not being anchored to crazy family members is a blessing.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.18--6.45am.Seattle.2019
            Pandora│pandora@peak_org  chqbou.l9a.19.1@news.alt.net
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.18--0.22pm.Seattle.2019
        MsNadegda  qlu13j$sbk$1@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.18--1.01pm.Seattle.2019
    MsNadegda  qlu2ml$sbk$11@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.18--1.21pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Checkmate, Sci.Physics, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 2  m73 Cool; 1.9 Minutes, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Sep 18 {  1: 5pm, 2019 }:41  Xϐɐუ
      Thank you, feminists.

Ms Nadegda replied ( to me, replying to her ):
> > > You can thank neoliberal austerity politics 
> > > for [ the low "fertility rate" ].
> > 
> > What "neoliberal austerity" ?
> > government "deficits" are through the roof, flying sky high.
> 
> And is the working class seeing one thin dime of this money ?

Oh, that "neoliberal austerity", now I get it (not).

When the deficit-spending drops back down to earth,
the fat-cats won't be so fat anymore.

The feminists will dump their "loser" husbands,
and judges will assume that the men should be making more,
and paying more child support, because they're "willfully" unemployed.

The guys will be put in jail until they can pay.

Thank you, feminists.
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              Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37eb29441230cc02c6c@news.altopia.com
            MsNadegda  qls871$uca$52@dont-email.me
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.18--6.45am.Seattle.2019
        Pandora│pandora@peak_org  chqbou.l9a.19.1@news.alt.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.18--0.22pm.Seattle.2019
    MsNadegda  qlu13j$sbk$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.18--1.01pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Checkmate, Sci.Physics, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 1  m70 Cool; 32 Secs, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Sep 18 {   :38pm, 2019 }:27  XϐɄʓ
      Thank you, feminists.

Ms Nadegda replied ( to me ):
> > Make America great again ?!
> > 
> > My father's income was enough to raise a family of 8.
> > We don't see that anymore; women ditch their men, taking their kids,
> > their salary, and their dignity.
> > 
> > You can thank feminists for this.
> 
> You can thank neoliberal austerity politics for this.

What "neoliberal austerity" ?
government "deficits" are through the roof, flying sky high; see:

  http://Jeff-Relf.Me/Deficits-n-Recession.PNG

What goes up, must come down.

Not even Jeff Bezos can avoid the consequences of feminism;
his wife had 60 billion reasons to divorce him.

Warren Buffett ( and his wife ) are too "frugal" to pay for a divorce;
so he just lives with his girlfriend.

By the way, child support is based on whatever a judge THINKS you 
SHOULD be earning, not actual earnings... it has sent a lot of men to jail;
where they must rot until it's (somehow) paid.

Thank you, feminists.
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        HerbertGlazier  7b3dc981-e018-46e4-8eca-f632596b71ac@googlegroups.com
      SamWormley  abd3d458-8472-4ba8-9fba-f37a8f86a6bf@googlegroups.com
    HerbertGlazier  a960f208-68b8-4b8d-9aa3-3777a03cbb56@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.18--0.36pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 3  m178 Mad; 31.2 Minutes, GoogleG, 74.118.32.5,  Sep 18 { 11:45am, 2019 }:42^(PDT)  Xϐȹχ
      Singularities are metaphysics, not physics.

Bert replied ( to Sam ):
> > No -- all particles (matter and energy) get squeezed out of existence 
> > at the singularity.  There is no temperature.
> 
> You say no temperature.  I go with temperature.
> My thinking goes with physics.  Yours nothing.

Singularities are metaphysics, not physics.

If Sam were right, and a singularity had no temperature,
then the laws of thermodynamics aren't applicable there.
While that's appealing to simpletons, like Sam, it's far from true.

Today's black holes are nothing like they used to be.

12.5 billion years ago, quasar J2157-3602 had
the luminosity of 695 trillion suns ( 2.66×10^41 Watts ).

695 trillion suns.

Lambda, the cosmological "constant", is growing.

In physics, entropy is how evenly  heat/matter  are distributed.
Our  hot/dense  sun evaporates into the  cold/sparse  vacuum,
losing 4.3 million tons each second.

Our Universe is going from infinitely  hot/dense  to infinitely  cold/sparse.
"God" (nature) programmed us to ride this wave 
( i.e. to sustainablely consume residual exergy ), same as the sun.
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              Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37eb0b23404ce643c50@news.altopia.com
            MsNadegda  qlru65$uca$34@dont-email.me
          Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37eb29441230cc02c6c@news.altopia.com
        MsNadegda  qls871$uca$52@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.18--6.45am.Seattle.2019
    Pandora│pandora@peak_org  chqbou.l9a.19.1@news.alt.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.18--0.22pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Checkmate, Sci.Physics, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 1  m12 Dropped; 2.7 Hours, Pan, Alt.NET,  Sep 18 {  9:33am, 2019 }:    XϐjΕ
      Make America great again ?!

Pandora wrote:
> We (baby boomers) wanted to have at least as good a life 
> as our parents had and we worked hard to get it.

Make America great again ?!

My father's income was enough to raise a family of 8.
We don't see that anymore; women ditch their men,
taking their kids, their salary, and their dignity.

You can thank feminists for this.
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              FabianRussell  qltil502c0p@news1.newsguy.com
            HughHuntzinger  5ea7cdb0-fee7-4f2b-a290-92e9868cd00b@googlegroups.com
          FabianRussell  qltk6002clm@news1.newsguy.com
        DFS  kftgF.66622$Xe3.22013@fx32.iad
      FabianRussell  qltnno02e4j@news1.newsguy.com
    DFS  DQtgF.447993$oq9.429660@fx47.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.18--11.53am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m105 Top; 22.5 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win8.1, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Sep 18 { 10:29am, 2019 }:50^(-4)  Xϐsწ
      High-Class "escorting".

DFS wrote:
> You probably won't ever get what's coming to you for pirating many 
> $thousands of commercial programs ( which you've admitted to )... 

In Spain and Switzerland, downloading copyrighted material 
for personal use, and not paying for it, is perfectly legal.

Internet Service Providers are protected too.

If there were a better way to handle this issue,
we would've already gone that route... but there isn't.

Porn stars aren't (directly) paid much for their "acting";
however, if it makes them famous, they can cash-in other ways,
including high-class "escorting".
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              FabianRussell  qltil502c0p@news1.newsguy.com
            HughHuntzinger  5ea7cdb0-fee7-4f2b-a290-92e9868cd00b@googlegroups.com
          FabianRussell  qltk6002clm@news1.newsguy.com
        DFS  kftgF.66622$Xe3.22013@fx32.iad
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.18--10.36am.Seattle.2019
    SteveCarroll  qltq9a$ctc$5@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.18--11.38am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 5  m196 Mad; 10.3 Minutes, slrn➤openMac, Eternal-September.ORG,  Sep 18 { 10:42am, 2019 }: 3  Xϐv3
      I'm seeing nudists everywhere.

Steve Carroll replied ( to me ):
> > You're 10+ times the "landlord" than I am, DFS.
> 
> Not if you measure by the quality of tenants,
> and what you each have to deal with.
> 
> Your situation is totally insane, and you don't even
> have a vested financial interest in the property.

Wow, you're too kind.
Maybe it's just me, and my increasing failures, but...

This year has been quite different from the previous 11;
truly, it reminds me of 2005-2007.

Trump might pump enough money into the economy to get re-elected; 
but, after that, he'll get fiscally conservative and... POP !
....we'll be reliving 2008-2009 again.

" You only find out who is swimming naked when the tide goes out. "
    -- Warren Buffett

....and I'm seeing nudists everywhere.

Can I downsize further ?!

> > If you could divide it up into micro-apartments,
> > and if you could stomach the management problems ( a BIG "if" ),
> > I think you'd make more money.
> 
> Then he'd have to hire a Jeff Relf clone to deal with the crap ;)

This is why no one wants low-income housing 
( e.g. "the projects", or "tent cities" ), especially the neighbors.

If there were a better way, we would've already gone that route.
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          DFS  kXrgF.211785$9i3.208967@fx42.iad
        FabianRussell  qltil502c0p@news1.newsguy.com
      SteveCarroll  qltko1$1pi$5@dont-email.me
    DFS  tgtgF.283225$BJ1.172124@fx43.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.18--10.42am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 2  m103 Top; 32.5 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win8.1, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Sep 18 {  9:50am, 2019 }:55^(-4)  Xϐmʯ
      The 5-minute watering test.

DFS wrote:
> Did a 5-minute watering test and found absolutely zero leaks so far.
> I'm looking forward to some serious rain to see what happens to the patch.

Sounds good to me.

Damn, that's a lot of work.
I'd be getting serious cramps; I'm really out of shape.
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            DFS  kXrgF.211785$9i3.208967@fx42.iad
          FabianRussell  qltil502c0p@news1.newsguy.com
        HughHuntzinger  5ea7cdb0-fee7-4f2b-a290-92e9868cd00b@googlegroups.com
      FabianRussell  qltk6002clm@news1.newsguy.com
    DFS  kftgF.66622$Xe3.22013@fx32.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.18--10.36am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 3  m103 Top; 33.7 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win8.1, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Sep 18 {  9:49am, 2019 }:42^(-4)  Xϐmɦ
      You're 10+ times the man that I am, DFS.

You're 10+ times the man that I am, DFS.

Your 75 thousand $ investment makes sense if you're investing long-term;
short-term, I think the housing market is greatly inflated.

If you could divide it up into micro-apartments,
and if you could stomach the management problems ( a BIG "if" ),
I think you'd make more money.
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              Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37e67f774acca4e8bfb@news.altopia.com
            MsNadegda  qlm5jh$uca$3@dont-email.me
          Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37eb0b23404ce643c50@news.altopia.com
        MsNadegda  qlru65$uca$34@dont-email.me
      Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37eb29441230cc02c6c@news.altopia.com
    MsNadegda  qls871$uca$52@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.18--6.45am.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Checkmate, Sci.Physics, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 3  m70 Cool; 9.7 Hours, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Sep 17 {  8:27pm, 2019 }:30  XωРλ
      Zoomers aren't interested in Checky's house.

Zoomers ( born after 2000 ) aren't interested in Checky's house;
like me, they want micro-apartments ( no housemates, no family ).

Also, they don't want overpriced university education,
nor do they want insanely-priced hospital care.
And they only want to work a few hours per week, doing gigs, like me.

Somehow, their interests match mine.
I've been ahead of the curve for 3 decades now.

Sadly, I can't say the same for Bernie Sanders.
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      SamWormley  8be350e6-958d-48a8-b170-71c8dda374ff@googlegroups.com
    EdProchak  194cfae9-7a32-4899-9667-80fa77d8fe16@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.18--6.28am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 2  m39 Top; 9.3 Hours, GoogleG, 174.130.68.115,  Sep 17 {  8:47pm, 2019 }:25^(PDT)  XωУდ
      Today's black holes are nothing like they used to be.

Today's black holes are nothing like they used to be.
■
      SamWormley  a677ae00-3a7b-43f5-8dfc-a28836ddd75c@googlegroups.com
    EdProchak  d3f4f7f2-b70b-429a-af71-6c922e87a178@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.18--6.19am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 4  m39 Top; 9.8 Hours, GoogleG, 174.130.68.115,  Sep 17 {  8:21pm, 2019 }:44^(PDT)  XωПω
      No one can pry your hands off your Kool-Aid cup.

Ed Prochak replied ( to Sam ):
> > Climate Deniers Launch Personal Attacks on Teen Activist
> 
> Sad that [conservatives] now sees protecting the environment as a danger.

No one is denying that today's climate is better than it's ever been.
80 years ago, Seattle was much colder.  In a blink of geological time, 
Seattle has gone from being a glacier to a global powerhouse.

You doom-and-gloomers can't even focus on _ real problems.
No one can pry your hands off your Kool-Aid cup.
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        BranimirMaksimovic  0nZfF.1033386$dw4.5957@fx12.am4
      FabianRussell  qlqa9p0tfg@news1.newsguy.com
    BranimirMaksimovic  7i3gF.164557$qd4.6056@fx17.am4
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.17--4.50am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m60 Cool; 3.9 Minutes, slrn➤Linux, HighWinds➤Usenet-News.NET,  Sep 17 {  4:18am, 2019 }:27  XωɱR
      Stallman's objection to paying for software is ridiculous.

Stallman's objection to paying for software is ridiculous.

He was pushed out for his "Virginia Giuffre" comments; see:

  Vice.COM/EN_US/Article/9ke3ke/Famed-Computer-Scientist-Richard-Stallman-described-Epstein-victims-as-ENTIRELY-WILLING

In Japan, sex with 13-year-old girls is legal.
Personally, I wouldn't have sex with anyone, no matter their age.
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              The_Starmaker│starmaker@ix_  5D7D45FE.53B@ix.netcom.com
            Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  gu5mqeFpj2bU1@mid.individual.net
          The_Starmaker│starmaker@ix_  5D7E93E3.6665@ix.netcom.com
        The_Starmaker│starmaker@ix_  5D7F11F2.259D@ix.netcom.com
      HerbertGlazier  52994340-3005-4f63-b061-1d88c84787d7@googlegroups.com
    MrAA  95affb4e-891b-4a67-9142-790309d6f891@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.16--4.42pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m61 Top; 2 Hours, GoogleG, 205.153.48.25,  Sep 16 {  2:37pm, 2019 }:37^(PDT)  Xψპɡ
      "Weighting" Variables.

Mr. AA asked:
> how can you program an AI computer to feel pain, anyway?

By "weighting" variables;
bad outcomes have a certain weightings,
good outcomes also have weightings.
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              Carlos_E_R_│robin_listas@es_  gu53fuFlt4fU1@mid.individual.net
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.14--2.27pm.Seattle.2019
          Carlos_E_R_│robin_listas@es_  gu54pjFm5goU1@mid.individual.net
        MrChrisV  nbvunedm2e155q66v4k90sdpv7umcn5gsc@4ax.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.16--6.10am.Seattle.2019
    Paul│nospam@needed_invalid  qlo8h4$bfa$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.16--8.37am.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m12 Top; 18.9 Minutes, Ratcatcher/2_0_0_25, Eternal-September.ORG,  Sep 16 {  8: 8am, 2019 }:20^(-4)  XψНʌ
      Does that work for you, Paul ?

Paul replied ( to me ):
> > The context is a person who has lost fluids, thanks to diarrhea.
> > Eating salt makes you drink water.
> 
> So while rehydration may involve packets of glucose and salt,
> it looks like I was "staring at the wrong one". 
> The glucose does most of the work.

Does that work for you, when you've lost a lot of fluids ?

Personally, I always get more than enough sugars/starches.
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          Rabid_Rogue│rabid@rog_ue  n_ueF.235989$Zf6.215878@fx28.iad
        default│default@defaulter_net  vi8tnehqqmi0iipk0e2n6159afmomiisln@4ax.com
      T│T@invalid_invalid  qlna1f$ns$1@dont-email.me
    default│default@defaulter_net  1c0vnedj6ab3pf1p094d34bg238r19eomm@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.16--6.34am.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m4 Cool; 35.4 Minutes, F_Agent, HighWinds,  Sep 16 {  5:36am, 2019 }:57^(-4)  Xψϴv
      Calcutta's untouchables.

"default" wrote:
> All religious idiots are bonkers IMO, it is a matter of degree, 
> context, direction and flavor of the Kool-Aid.

Replace the term "religious idiots" with "zealots" 
( Democrat or Republican ) and I'd agree with you.

However, middle-of-the-road is also bad ( due to the lack of choices ).

In Seattle, cops tear up homeless camps, and keep them moving;
they won't house the homeless, not even in jail.
It reminds me of Calcutta's untouchables.
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              Carlos_E_R_│robin_listas@es_  gu52diFlnlhU1@mid.individual.net
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.14--2.06pm.Seattle.2019
          Carlos_E_R_│robin_listas@es_  gu53fuFlt4fU1@mid.individual.net
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.14--2.27pm.Seattle.2019
      Carlos_E_R_│robin_listas@es_  gu54pjFm5goU1@mid.individual.net
    MrChrisV  nbvunedm2e155q66v4k90sdpv7umcn5gsc@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.16--6.10am.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m183 Dropped; 46.9 Minutes, F_Agent, HighWinds➤Fastusenet.ORG,  Sep 16 {  5:19am, 2019 }:37^(-5)  Xψϱɡ
      A person who has lost fluids, thanks to diarrhea.

Mr ChrisV replied ( to me ):
> > > Salt has been unjustly villainized.
> > > Wild animals love salt licks.
> 
> Yeah, and I love doughnuts.  That doesn't make them healthy.

The context is a person who has lost fluids, thanks to diarrhea.
Eating salt makes you drink water.
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              MsNadegda  qlgqrc$ivt$2@dont-email.me
            Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37e59954bf61860bbd0@news.altopia.com
          Kensi  qlhmhl$1iln$2@gioia.aioe.org
        Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37e67cc69a7a8760bf9@news.altopia.com
      MsNadegda  qlm5f4$uca$2@dont-email.me
    Kensi  qln3l8$1g40$4@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.16--5.56am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Talk.Politics.Guns, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 4  m142 Cool; 7.4 Hours, NewsTap➤iPad, Aioe.ORG,  Sep 15 {  9:39pm, 2019 }: 4^(2)  XψʦΙ
      No man will touch you, *snigger*.

Kensi replied ( to Nadegda ):
> > A MGTOW is just an incel with an advanced case of sour grapes.
> > <snigger>
> 
> Good point.  *snigger*

Meanwhile, no man will touch you, *snigger*.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.14--1.17pm.Seattle.2019
            Carlos_E_R_│robin_listas@es_  gu50g0Fl8gaU2@mid.individual.net
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.14--1.29pm.Seattle.2019
        Carlos_E_R_│robin_listas@es_  gu51j6Fli0bU1@mid.individual.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.14--1.57pm.Seattle.2019
    EdProchak  9481cee0-4c78-4010-aa2b-bd695598ef3b@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.16--5.38am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 5  m33 Top; 9.1 Hours, GoogleG, 174.130.68.115,  Sep 15 {  7:56pm, 2019 }:43^(PDT)  Xψʕʣ
      ( Diarrhea induced ) HypoTension is also bad.

Ed Prochak replied ( to me ):
> > If you have access to clean water, salt will hydrate you.
> > Oddly, you say the opposite happens.
> 
> just eating Salt will cause you to become dehydrated

After taking the salt, you _ will _ drink a ton of water.
Don't believe me ? Try it.

Yes, HyperTension can be bad, and lead to strokes.
( Diarrhea induced ) HypoTension is also bad, and it can be alleviated.
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              JimPennino  k3lr4g-2hb.ln1@mail.specsol.com
            EdProchak  94952def-ec04-4385-be42-27988dc55f3b@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.14--4.58am.Seattle.2019
        EdProchak  f4d9c7f5-48c9-433f-8636-c2ec8deaab9d@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.14--1.43pm.Seattle.2019
    EdProchak  4b1df90c-5cfe-41ad-8cf2-630ecf6fe499@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.16--5.25am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 7  m33 Top; 9.6 Hours, GoogleG, 174.130.68.115,  Sep 15 {  7:28pm, 2019 }:37^(PDT)  XψʐУ
      Calcutta style.

Ed Prochak replied ( to me ):
> > I have Google, I don't need Sam.
> 
>  [ Why then ] are you trolling newsgroups ?

Unlike Sam, I engage with humans, I talk to them;
Sam can't do that -- still, he offends most everyone.

Have you considered why he offends so many, Ed ?
Or does it just not matter to you ?

> > Your apocalypse cult is sci-fi.
> 
> Evidence?  This is sci.physics, not talk.religion

Which is why your "doomsday" talk doesn't belong here.
Not everyone likes the taste of your Kool-Aid.

My parents and grandparents were born in Seattle;
my dad was born in 1924; so I know that Seattle
was once much, much colder -- it's BETTER now, not worse.

Go back far enough, and Seattle was under a glacier.
How's that for "science" ( instead of Kool-Aid ) ?

Meanwhile, everyone is ignoring more serious problems, like:
  the sudden increase of squatters invading my rooming house.

Seattle wants _ me _ to take care of it, Calcutta style;
the police won't do anything, and the city isn't about to house them.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.15--5.43pm.Seattle.2019
            Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  h7ntned038sa6eitv2md4t1sqq82hflcao@4ax.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.15--6.08pm.Seattle.2019
        Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  q8otnep3ccs5cpla10jlo78nag5jp4p1dn@4ax.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.15--6.22pm.Seattle.2019
    Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  a8ptne5jdqfs2a0pfbt0moldv6a4bpdt5r@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.15--6.57pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m108 Dropped; 8.8 Minutes, F_Agent, Alt.NET,  Sep 15 {  6:31pm, 2019 }: 8^(-4)  XψʇȺ
      China doesn't have a " street urchin " problem.

Greg wrote:
> Witness Venezuela.  Seattle will likely end up that way.

China doesn't have a " street urchin " problem;
there, families take care of it.  Japan too, I assume.

Here, people like me take care of it, if anyone.
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              .  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.15--4.14pm.Seattle.2019
            .  a97cf5c0-0822-489e-9c53-2e12d916fd0a@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.15--5.43pm.Seattle.2019
        Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  h7ntned038sa6eitv2md4t1sqq82hflcao@4ax.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.15--6.08pm.Seattle.2019
    Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  q8otnep3ccs5cpla10jlo78nag5jp4p1dn@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.15--6.22pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m106 Dropped; 3.6 Minutes, F_Agent, Alt.NET,  Sep 15 {  6:13pm, 2019 }:15^(-4)  XψʄɁ
      The taxpayer has abandoned them, so _ I _ have to deal with it.

Greg replied ( to me ):
> > If Seattle were run by Nazi Gestapo, they'd take care of it;
> > likewise, the problem would be solved if Seattle 
> > were run by communist zealots, Cuban style.
> > 
> > Instead, we have this middle-of-the-road thing going on,
> > where all the unwanted "kids" ( no matter their age )
> > become _ my _ problem ( or simply ignored ).
> 
> The liberals say, "It takes a village" to raise those kids.  
> That is just a ploy to foist off their responsibility
> for raising their own kids onto the taxpayer.

The taxpayer has abandoned them, so _ I _ have to deal with it.
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              .  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.15--5.14am.Seattle.2019
            .  0a2134ec-6f3c-4a57-bcb8-97cb9d8f1b45@googlegroups.com
          .  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.15--4.14pm.Seattle.2019
        .  a97cf5c0-0822-489e-9c53-2e12d916fd0a@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.15--5.43pm.Seattle.2019
    Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  h7ntned038sa6eitv2md4t1sqq82hflcao@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.15--6.08pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m105 Dropped; 53 Secs, F_Agent, Alt.NET,  Sep 15 {  5:56pm, 2019 }:40^(-4)  Xψʁʠ
      The sudden increase of squatters invading my rooming house.

Re: The sudden increase of squatters invading my rooming house.

If Seattle were run by Nazi Gestapo, they'd take care of it.

Likewise, the problem would be solved if Seattle 
were run by communist zealots, Cuban style.

Instead, we have this middle-of-the-road thing going on,
where all the unwanted "kids" ( no matter their age )
become _ my _ problem ( or simply ignored ).
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              Kensi  almarsoft.7621201612074382441@nntp.aioe.org
            Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  kihsnet1mrqtn6uj3lsmil9j2ahaa5nj3e@4ax.com
          MsNadegda  qlm5d7$uca$1@dont-email.me
        Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  0g6tnedah6br46jsnag93qnvq4nv6u36mr@4ax.com
      Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37e869cc8805f321c3e@news.altopia.com
    MsNadegda  qlmkdg$uca$12@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.15--5.52pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Talk.Politics.Guns, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m63 Cool; 4.4 Minutes, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Sep 15 {  5:18pm, 2019 }:56  Xψɻu
      Threads soon drift onto something else.

Ms Nadegda noted:
> "%" is *always* going on and on about his post count !

So ? he dropped out of 4th grade, age 10, and has yet to catch up.

Anyone posting political claptrap will draw a lot of attention;
even then, the thread quickly drifts onto something else.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.14--4.46am.Seattle.2019
            PaulAlsing  93bf4bf2-8996-45ed-8d08-10012f79ed9e@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.15--5.14am.Seattle.2019
        PaulAlsing  0a2134ec-6f3c-4a57-bcb8-97cb9d8f1b45@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.15--4.14pm.Seattle.2019
    PaulAlsing  a97cf5c0-0822-489e-9c53-2e12d916fd0a@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.15--5.43pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m17 Cool; 7.2 Minutes, GoogleG,  Sep 15 {  5:16pm, 2019 }: 7^(PDT)  Xψɺϵ
      The sudden increase of squatters invading my rooming house.

Paul Alsing replied ( to me ):
> > Yes, the rate of climate change is unprecedented;
> > but consider the fact that, on the geological timescale,
> > humanity is an infinitesimal blip.
> 
> unprecedented is still unprecedented. 

As far as we know, it's unprecedented.
We don't know the finer details of the geological record;
rapid climate change may have happened frequently.

> Does this mean that, as a species, we should just 
> ignore climate change altogether and just forge ahead 
> without ever considering perhaps changing the way we do things ?

My parents and grandparents were born in Seattle;
my dad was born in 1924; so I know that Seattle
was once much, much colder -- it's BETTER now, not worse.

Go back far enough, and Seattle was under a glacier.

Meanwhile, everyone is ignoring more serious problems, like:
  the sudden increase of squatters invading my rooming house.

Seattle wants _ me _ to take care of it;
the police won't do anything,
and the city isn't about to house them.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.14--4.46am.Seattle.2019
            PaulAlsing  93bf4bf2-8996-45ed-8d08-10012f79ed9e@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.15--5.14am.Seattle.2019
        PaulAlsing  0a2134ec-6f3c-4a57-bcb8-97cb9d8f1b45@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.15--4.14pm.Seattle.2019
    Odd_Bodkin│bodkinodd@gmail_com  qlmj5o$1cm2$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.15--5.19pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m139 Dropped; 8.7 Minutes, NewsTap➤iPhone, Aioe.ORG,  Sep 15 {  4:57pm, 2019 }:44  Xψɷω
      I'm not Satan incarnate.

You ( Odd Bodkin ) told me:
> You’re taking the stance: 
> “ So what if 3/4 of humanity perishes ? 
>   We’re transient anyway ” 

Of course not, I'm not Satan incarnate.

When I say " humanity is an infinitesimal blip "
I mean this may have happened sometime in the past,
and there'd be no geological record of it.

Or, if there was a record of it, 
we haven't discovered it yet.
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              Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  8lvnne1u2i7spahnit7sn7t38s6vjcni18@4ax.com
            PaulAlsing  1dc628f0-2fc1-4087-b193-d23f41ccc89e@googlegroups.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.14--4.46am.Seattle.2019
        PaulAlsing  93bf4bf2-8996-45ed-8d08-10012f79ed9e@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.15--5.14am.Seattle.2019
    PaulAlsing  0a2134ec-6f3c-4a57-bcb8-97cb9d8f1b45@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.15--4.14pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m16 Cool; 23.3 Minutes, GoogleG,  Sep 15 {  3:38pm, 2019 }:37^(PDT)  Xψɪʝ
      Humanity is an infinitesimal blip.

Paul Alsing,

Your claim that I don't believe in climate change is absurd to me.

It's a straw man that you created just so you could knock it down;
similar to the "racist NAZI" label that gets tossed around so much.

There are many problems in this world today,
and your claim that a warmer planet is the worst of them
is pure sci-fi, an Apocalypse cult, similar to Scientology.

Yes, the rate of change is unprecedented;
but consider the fact that, on the geological timescale,
humanity is an infinitesimal blip.
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              SteveCarroll  qljcoo$2r6$1@dont-email.me
            FabianRussell  qljh0v024mh@news3.newsguy.com
          SteveCarroll  qljutg$59q$1@dont-email.me
        FabianRussell  qllcfe01b24@news2.newsguy.com
      SteveCarroll  qllgn0$qvd$2@dont-email.me
    ScottDoty  gu79ljF4sl2U1@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.15--11.00am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 1  m65 Top; 2.9 Minutes, Pan, Individual.NET,  Sep 15 { 10:11am, 2019 }:15  Xψpщ
      Robert Downey Jr. as Kirk Lazarus in Tropic Thunder.

Scott Doty wrote:
> Jarre -- Mr. Synthesizer -- used live instruments in his arrangement,
> including a violin section and a guitar.

One can produce some pretty good stuff, just sampling; to wit:

  " I'M A DUDE " — Robert Downey Jr. as Kirk Lazarus in Tropic Thunder:
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFG5dk1GyRo

But the original, the thing you sampled, was human.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.14--5.11pm.Seattle.2019
            Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37e7e1fff913ad9bc22@news.altopia.com
          Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  9vhsne5thls1vtu4vgvnm9f9dep8mtv7r7@4ax.com
        Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37e80b1b900a0ebcc2d@news.altopia.com
      Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  umrsne5hqsskgbs0ggpv5pudumhd7n7eh1@4ax.com
    Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37e810b537ee15e1c36@news.altopia.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.15--10.34am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m126 Cool; 2.2 Minutes, MicroPlanet, Alt.NET➤NET-Abuse.Checkmate,  Sep 15 { 10:11am, 2019 }:58^(-7)  Xψpჴ
      In 2018, I spent 3 thousand $.

Checkmate wrote:
> Not counting the van, I probably haven't spent 
> more than forty grand in the last year... if that.

In 2018, I spent 3 thousand $, grand total.
No van.
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              Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  8evqnethh3nmgd9921lorgcj14kae2lo7j@4ax.com
            PeeScent  chgkkq.uhq.17.1@news.alt.net
          Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37e7e2e69d85d548c24@news.altopia.com
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.15--8.36am.Seattle.2019
      Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  2omsnet49ema7uduvd11k7321lmcqaaucn@4ax.com
    Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37e80f4ee3a603eac35@news.altopia.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.15--10.28am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m126 Cool; 8.2 Minutes, MicroPlanet, Alt.NET➤NET-Abuse.Checkmate,  Sep 15 { 10: 5am, 2019 }:58^(-7)  Xψoჴ
      Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud, Chairman Xi, and Mitt Romney.

Checkmate replied ( to Greg ):
> > Everybody is either a wanker or a liar.
> 
> I'm far too virtuous for that shit.

You're in good company, Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud, 
Chairman Xi, and Mitt Romney agree with you.
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              PeeScent  chg9eu.r46.19.3@news.alt.net
            Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37e70433cf9927f0c0e@news.altopia.com
          PeeScent  chge4k.lq1.17.1@news.alt.net
        Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37e7198b6db1174c17@news.altopia.com
      PeeScent  chgjh3.eo5.17.4@news.alt.net
    Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37e7e4139cf7f62fc27@news.altopia.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.15--8.56am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m122 Cool; 1.2 Hours, MicroPlanet, Alt.NET➤NET-Abuse.Checkmate,  Sep 15 {  7: 1am, 2019 }:29^(-7)  XψKə
      It's hard to predict when I might be asleep or awake.

Checkmate wrote:
> I take Xanax at night; otherwise, I'd never get to sleep.

Sure you would, eventually.

I've always woken up at different times, each day.
It's hard to predict when I might be asleep or awake.
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              The_Right_And_The_Powerful│  ndsqnelfcq6d6tqstfi71lmlm9qv471jda@4ax.com
            PeeScent  chghbv.hgt.17.8@news.alt.net
          The_Right_And_The_Powerful│  u02rnetkqmcehm5nltocj5b9fo9ff0mo0j@4ax.com
        BranimirMaksimovic  cslfF.143748$qd4.129445@fx17.am4
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.15--5.23am.Seattle.2019
    Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  i8hsnelas8sa2md7oqorn72qudbtt4ifrq@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.15--8.49am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 3  m98 Dropped; 1.1 Hours, F_Agent, Alt.NET,  Sep 15 {  7: 8am, 2019 }:59^(-4)  XψLΔ
      I'm right, like Einstein.

Greg replied ( to me ):
> > Everything is nothing because the future is just as fixed as the past.
> 
> You're wrong. I guess you never heard of Schrödinger's cat?

I'm right, like Einstein.

Randomness is ignorance; nothing more, nothing less.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.14--3.29pm.Seattle.2019
            Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  llqqnepajq1nc52dk14gj49qnteqdc310b@4ax.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.14--4.02pm.Seattle.2019
        Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37e718b24396ecebc15@news.altopia.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.14--5.24pm.Seattle.2019
    Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37e7e3289c5e634dc25@news.altopia.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.15--8.43am.Seattle.2019
  IComp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m122 Cool; 1.3 Hours, MicroPlanet, Alt.NET➤NET-Abuse.Checkmate,  Sep 15 {  6:57am, 2019 }:28^(-7)  XψJι
      Bodies rotting in the summer sun for 5 days.

Checkmate replied ( to me ):
> > Boraxo works well.  I've had to clean it before, twice;
> > the bodies were rotting in the summer sun for 5 days.
> 
> You had two suicides in your apartments ?

No, what makes you think that ?

One refused treatment and died of cancer.

Another died of an overdose, probably fentanyl related.

Others have died, of course, just not in their rooms, alone.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.14--3.29pm.Seattle.2019
            Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  llqqnepajq1nc52dk14gj49qnteqdc310b@4ax.com
          The_Right_And_The_Powerful│  d8sqnep2nr567t4mb98td7vp7p42o3n8jn@4ax.com
        Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  8evqnethh3nmgd9921lorgcj14kae2lo7j@4ax.com
      PeeScent  chgkkq.uhq.17.1@news.alt.net
    Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37e7e2e69d85d548c24@news.altopia.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.15--8.36am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╳ 3  m122 Cool; 1.3 Hours, MicroPlanet, Alt.NET➤NET-Abuse.Checkmate,  Sep 15 {  6:56am, 2019 }:28^(-7)  XψJʔ
      You never masturbate ?  No porn ?

Checkmate wrote:
> Greg's a chronic wanker, like Nads.

You never masturbate ?  No porn ?
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.13--2.50pm.Seattle.2019
            Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37e6fe86b682fa17c07@news.altopia.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.14--3.29pm.Seattle.2019
        Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37e7187a547e12a4c14@news.altopia.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.14--5.11pm.Seattle.2019
    Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37e7e1fff913ad9bc22@news.altopia.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.15--8.31am.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 5  m122 Cool; 1.3 Hours, MicroPlanet, Alt.NET➤NET-Abuse.Checkmate,  Sep 15 {  6:52am, 2019 }:38^(-7)  XψIФ
      The vermin infesting my house would simply break down the door.

Checkmate noted:
> It took another 30 days to have the Sheriff remove them, and 
> they still hadn't left when they got the knock on the door.  

What did you do then, change the lock ?

The vermin infesting my house would simply break down the door.

> I'll haul her into court every year or two for a Judgment Debtor Exam,
> where she'll be deposed by an attorney as to her finances.

What if she doesn't show up, and/or
she doesn't give you any information ?

She's 100 % honest, I assume ( not ).
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              Carlos_E_R_│robin_listas@es_  gu55bsFma17U1@mid.individual.net
            PeeScent  chgd90.da3.19.1@news.alt.net
          The_Right_And_The_Powerful│  ndsqnelfcq6d6tqstfi71lmlm9qv471jda@4ax.com
        PeeScent  chghbv.hgt.17.8@news.alt.net
      The_Right_And_The_Powerful│  u02rnetkqmcehm5nltocj5b9fo9ff0mo0j@4ax.com
    BranimirMaksimovic  cslfF.143748$qd4.129445@fx17.am4
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.15--5.23am.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m11 Cool; 4.7 Hours, slrn➤Linux, HighWinds➤Usenet-News.NET,  Sep 15 {   : 8am, 2019 }:56  XχхΑ
      Everything is nothing because the future is just as fixed as the past.

Branimir wrote:
> Nothingness is actually somethingness...

Everything is nothing because the future is just as fixed as the past.

"God" ( nature, evolution ) programmed us to over-eat,
to over-breed, and to over-plot.
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              BenJacoby  qlchnt$dtp$1@gioia.aioe.org
            Kensi  qlf4ln$3sf$1@gioia.aioe.org
          Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  8lvnne1u2i7spahnit7sn7t38s6vjcni18@4ax.com
        PaulAlsing  1dc628f0-2fc1-4087-b193-d23f41ccc89e@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.14--4.46am.Seattle.2019
    PaulAlsing  93bf4bf2-8996-45ed-8d08-10012f79ed9e@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.15--5.14am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m16 Cool; 6.6 Hours, GoogleG,  Sep 14 { 10:10pm, 2019 }:19^(PDT)  XχбБ
      Change happens, get used to it.

Pau Alsing replied ( to me ):
> > The warming, and the increased carbon dioxide, are both welcome.
> > Turning climate change into an Apocalypse cult
> > has nothing to do with science.
> 
> Really ? I believe you are very wrong about that...
> fact-climate-change-is-very-very-dangerous

I see your FUD ( Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt ), your sci-fi,
and your innate desire to belong to an Apocalypse cult.

Change happens, get used to it. 
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        .  qlhoja$1sbe$1@gioia.aioe.org
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.14--1.17pm.Seattle.2019
    MichaelMoroney  qlk3kd$oeu$1@pcls7.std.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.14--8.22pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╳ 1  m75 Dropped; 1.9 Hours, nn, TheWorld.COM,  Sep 14 {  6:20pm, 2019 }:13  Xχϻʅ
      All you need is salt, not pixie dust.

Michael Moroney wrote:
> Best for dehydration is Gatorade/sports drinks/Pedialyte 
> which have close to the correct level for oral rehydration.

All you need is salt, not pixie dust.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.13--2.50pm.Seattle.2019
            Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37e6fe86b682fa17c07@news.altopia.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.14--3.29pm.Seattle.2019
        Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  llqqnepajq1nc52dk14gj49qnteqdc310b@4ax.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.14--4.02pm.Seattle.2019
    Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37e718b24396ecebc15@news.altopia.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.14--5.24pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 4  m116 Cool; 31.2 Minutes, MicroPlanet, Alt.NET➤NET-Abuse.Checkmate,  Sep 14 {  4:33pm, 2019 }:46^(-7)  Xχϛϑ
      Bodies rotting in the summer sun for 5 days.

Checkmate replied ( to Greg ):
> > > [ use carbon monoxide to stealthily kill him ]
> 
> You'd never get the rotting corpse smell out.

Boraxo works well.  I've had to clean it before, twice;
the bodies were rotting in the summer sun for 5 days.

Jesus Christ, I should switch jobs.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.13--0.35am.Seattle.2019
            Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37e59e63751fe85ebd7@news.altopia.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.13--2.50pm.Seattle.2019
        Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37e6fe86b682fa17c07@news.altopia.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.14--3.29pm.Seattle.2019
    Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37e7187a547e12a4c14@news.altopia.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.14--5.11pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 5  m116 Cool; 32.2 Minutes, MicroPlanet, Alt.NET➤NET-Abuse.Checkmate,  Sep 14 {  4:32pm, 2019 }:46^(-7)  Xχϛʦ
      Talented vermin.

Checkmate noted:
> It took me at least six months to get to the point where
> the Sheriff actually physically evicted my sister.
> Deadbeats can drag this shit out forever.

I know, they're talented, like that.   Talented vermin.
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          The_Starmaker│starmaker@ix_  5D7D45FE.53B@ix.netcom.com
        MrAA  97c18b22-888d-49bb-980d-d56041ac519a@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.14--2.14pm.Seattle.2019
    MrAA  fb035d39-556f-4bdb-961c-851811073043@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.14--4.13pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m64 Top; 13.2 Minutes, GoogleG, 205.153.48.25,  Sep 14 {  3:52pm, 2019 }:59^(PDT)  Xχϓй
      "God" ( nature, evolution ) programmed us differently.

Mr. AA replied ( to me ):
> > robots aren't programmed to over-eat and over-breed.
> 
> They [ don't feel ] a sense of being trapped in their bodies.

They would if you programmed it into them.

"God" ( nature, evolution ) programmed us differently.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.13--0.35am.Seattle.2019
            Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37e59e63751fe85ebd7@news.altopia.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.13--2.50pm.Seattle.2019
        Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37e6fe86b682fa17c07@news.altopia.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.14--3.29pm.Seattle.2019
    Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  llqqnepajq1nc52dk14gj49qnteqdc310b@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.14--4.02pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m92 Dropped; 19.7 Minutes, F_Agent, Alt.NET,  Sep 14 {  3:36pm, 2019 }:16^(-4)  XχϑG
      I need a human pest exterminator.

Greg replied ( to me ):
> > I should be looking for another job, one that involves better people.
> 
> Drill a small hole in the floor, get a cylinder of [ carbon monoxide ]
> and when he's asleep fill his bedroom with CO.  After about
> a week when he starts to rot and stink the CO will have 
> dissipated and nobody will know what killed the jerk.

I'm tempted.
I need a human pest exterminator, they're worse than bedbugs.
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            .  qlhoja$1sbe$1@gioia.aioe.org
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.14--1.17pm.Seattle.2019
        Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37e6ef8e3a777f23c03@news.altopia.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.14--1.48pm.Seattle.2019
    Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37e6fed6bb7ca0a7c08@news.altopia.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.14--3.55pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 5  m111 Cool; 1 Hours, MicroPlanet, Alt.NET➤NET-Abuse.Checkmate,  Sep 14 {  2:43pm, 2019 }:18^(-7)  XχςɌ
      Xanax.

Checkmate replied ( to me ):
> > I once took a Xanax just to see what all the hype was about.
> > I spent the next 3 days unsuccessfully trying to wake up.
> > No high, just sleep.
> 
> I only get about a five hour nap from 1 mg.
> How much did you take?

2 mg, probably, from the looks of it.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.12--5.28pm.Seattle.2019
            Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37e4df7ad60ea015bbc@news.altopia.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.13--0.35am.Seattle.2019
        Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37e59e63751fe85ebd7@news.altopia.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.13--2.50pm.Seattle.2019
    Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37e6fe86b682fa17c07@news.altopia.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.14--3.29pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 6  m111 Cool; 31.1 Minutes, MicroPlanet, Alt.NET➤NET-Abuse.Checkmate,  Sep 14 {  2:41pm, 2019 }:58^(-7)  Xχρჴ
      A hot war ?

Checkmate replied ( to me ):
> > Silver isn't very convenient and inflation isn't a big concern.
> 
> Silver has run up as high as fifty bucks in the past,
> and the fundamentals are in place right now.

Triggered by what, a hot war ?

P.S. The room below me is still driving me nuts.

Thumping on the floor no longer works, it just upsets my neighbors.
He punched another hole in the wall, 
and he intentionally damaged someone's bike, bending the wheel.

Sadly, I'm going to have to evict him ( for non-payment ).
I have a serious squatter problem too, right now.
Where's the Mafia when you need them ?  I want to ring their necks.

I should be looking for another job, one that involves better people.
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              Carlos_E_R_│robin_listas@es_  gu50g0Fl8gaU2@mid.individual.net
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.14--1.29pm.Seattle.2019
          Carlos_E_R_│robin_listas@es_  gu51j6Fli0bU1@mid.individual.net
        Carlos_E_R_│robin_listas@es_  gu52diFlnlhU1@mid.individual.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.14--2.06pm.Seattle.2019
    Carlos_E_R_│robin_listas@es_  gu53fuFlt4fU1@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.14--2.27pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m4 Shifty; 7 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤X11, Individual.NET,  Sep 14 {  2:13pm, 2019 }:34^(2)  Xχνɞ
      Wild animals love salt licks.

Carlos replied ( to me ):
> > > [ oral rehydration ] is not simply table salt.
> > 
> > Table salt works too.
> 
> Sure.  If you want to kill him.

Salt has been unjustly villainized.
Wild animals love salt licks.

Google: is salt bad for you?

" Salt has a bad reputation, but some evidence shows
  it may not have much impact on heart disease. "

https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/is-salt-bad-for-you
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      The_Starmaker│starmaker@ix_  5D7D45FE.53B@ix.netcom.com
    MrAA  97c18b22-888d-49bb-980d-d56041ac519a@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.14--2.14pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m63 Top; 11.1 Minutes, GoogleG, 205.153.48.25,  Sep 14 {  1:56pm, 2019 }:56^(PDT)  XχκΑ
      Computers aren't programmed to over-eat and over-breed.

Mr. AA replied ( to StarFaker ):
> > Only humans have Consciousness.
> 
> On thing is for sure, AI computers don't have it !

Sure they do, the only difference is the programming; 
they're not programmed to over-eat and over-breed.
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              .  qlhoja$1sbe$1@gioia.aioe.org
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.14--1.17pm.Seattle.2019
          Carlos_E_R_│robin_listas@es_  gu50g0Fl8gaU2@mid.individual.net
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.14--1.29pm.Seattle.2019
      Carlos_E_R_│robin_listas@es_  gu51j6Fli0bU1@mid.individual.net
    Carlos_E_R_│robin_listas@es_  gu52diFlnlhU1@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.14--2.06pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m3 Shifty; 3.7 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤X11, Individual.NET,  Sep 14 {  1:55pm, 2019 }:13^(2)  Xχκȿ
      Table salt works too.

Carlos replied ( to me ):
> > > After you eat the salt, 
> > > you'll feel a strong desire to drink water;
> > > this way, you'll drink much more than you could normally.
> > >
> > > Like I said, this is what the hospitals do,
> > > and they charge thousands of dollars for it.
> 
> [ oral rehydration ] is not simply table salt.

Table salt works too.

> they don't charge me a cent.

If you pay taxes, you're paying for it.
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            .  qlhoja$1sbe$1@gioia.aioe.org
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.14--1.17pm.Seattle.2019
        Carlos_E_R_│robin_listas@es_  gu50g0Fl8gaU2@mid.individual.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.14--1.29pm.Seattle.2019
    Carlos_E_R_│robin_listas@es_  gu51j6Fli0bU1@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.14--1.57pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m2 Shifty; 5 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤X11, Individual.NET,  Sep 14 {  1:41pm, 2019 }:10^(2)  Xχηф
      People walk in sick and dehydrated, walkout feeling good and hydrated.

Carlos replied ( to me ):
> > After you eat the salt, 
> > you'll feel a strong desire to drink water;
> > this way, you'll drink much more than you could normally.
> > 
> > Like I said, this is what hospitals do,
> > and they charge thousands of dollars for it.
> 
> No, they don't.

Yes, they do.  Intravenous drip, a saline solution.
People walk in sick and dehydrated, walkout feeling good and hydrated.

If you have access to clean water, salt will hydrate you.
Oddly, you say the opposite happens.
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        .  qlhoja$1sbe$1@gioia.aioe.org
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.14--1.17pm.Seattle.2019
    Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37e6ef8e3a777f23c03@news.altopia.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.14--1.48pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m105 Cool; 7.9 Minutes, MicroPlanet, Alt.NET➤NET-Abuse.Checkmate,  Sep 14 {  1:38pm, 2019 }:15^(-7)  Xχηʇ
      Eat salt, directly from the saltshaker.

Checkmate replied ( to me ):
> > Pepto-Bismol is good too, especially if you have heartburn;
> > it hardens your stool, so it's not liquidy.
> 
> A good opiate will do the same thing.

I once took a Xanax, just to see what all the hype was about.
I spent the next 3 days unsuccessfully trying to wake up.
No high, just sleep.
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              JimPennino  loar4g-tka.ln1@mail.specsol.com
            EdProchak  75bc8d77-795f-40c4-81d3-f16ae4e307a6@googlegroups.com
          JimPennino  k3lr4g-2hb.ln1@mail.specsol.com
        EdProchak  94952def-ec04-4385-be42-27988dc55f3b@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.14--4.58am.Seattle.2019
    EdProchak  f4d9c7f5-48c9-433f-8636-c2ec8deaab9d@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.14--1.43pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 2  m28 Top; 37.9 Minutes, GoogleG, 174.130.68.115,  Sep 14 {   :58pm, 2019 }:12^(PDT)  XχΩϺ
      I have Google, I don't need Sam.

Ed Prochak replied ( to me ):
> > Sam Wormley commits multiple copyright violations daily;
> 
> There is the fair use provision allowing using portions of a work
> to be quoted with attribution to the source.  Sam has done that.

I have Google, I don't need Sam.

Your apocalypse cult is sci-fi.
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        .  qlhoja$1sbe$1@gioia.aioe.org
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.14--1.17pm.Seattle.2019
    Carlos_E_R_│robin_listas@es_  gu50g0Fl8gaU2@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.14--1.29pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m1 Shifty; 1 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤X11, Individual.NET,  Sep 14 {  1:22pm, 2019 }:24^(2)  XχδЖ
      You'll feel a strong desire to drink water.

Carlos replied ( to me ):
> > Eat salt, directly from the saltshaker.
> > After that, you'll want to drink water.
> 
> Don't. This produces dehydration. Ignore this advice.

After you eat the salt, 
you'll feel a strong desire to drink water;
this way, you'll drink much more than you could normally.

Like I said, this is what the hospitals do,
and they charge thousands of dollars for it.
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    Russell│invalid@invalid_  qlhoja$1sbe$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.14--1.17pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m1 Shifty; 15 Hours, Pan, Aioe.ORG,  Sep 13 {  9:  pm, 2019 }:22^(-4)  XχeM
      Eat salt, directly from the saltshaker.

Russell mentioned his:
> constant visits to the toilet.

Eat salt, directly from the saltshaker.
After that, you'll want to drink water.

Alternatively, if you feel like spending thousands of $,
go to the emergency room, to get an IV drip of saltwater;
if you're lucky, you won't pick up MRSA while you're there.

Pepto-Bismol is good too, especially if you have heartburn;
it hardens your stool, so it's not liquidy.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.11--3.07am.Seattle.2019
            Kensi  qlcgkr$9da$1@gioia.aioe.org
          BenJacoby  qlchnt$dtp$1@gioia.aioe.org
        Kensi  qlf4ln$3sf$1@gioia.aioe.org
      Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  8lvnne1u2i7spahnit7sn7t38s6vjcni18@4ax.com
    PaulAlsing  1dc628f0-2fc1-4087-b193-d23f41ccc89e@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.14--4.46am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 4  m15 Cool; 12.3 Hours, GoogleG,  Sep 13 {  4: 8pm, 2019 }:47^(PDT)  Xφჭʧ
      Turning climate change into an Apocalypse cult has nothing to do with science.

Paul Alsing wrote:
> 2019 ( so far ) is not the lowest arctic ice ever, 
> but it is the second-lowest.  What's so hard to understand ?
> Somehow this is a victory for science deniers ?

The warming, and the increased carbon dioxide, are both welcome.

Turning climate change into an Apocalypse cult has nothing to do with science.

The world has many, less-disputed, problems ( like malaria ). 

Why not focus on those instead ?
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.12--2.46pm.Seattle.2019
            Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37e4750cadea4d43bb6@news.altopia.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.12--5.28pm.Seattle.2019
        Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37e4df7ad60ea015bbc@news.altopia.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.13--0.35am.Seattle.2019
    Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37e59e63751fe85ebd7@news.altopia.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.13--2.50pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m101 Cool; 45.5 Minutes, MicroPlanet, Alt.NET➤NET-Abuse.Checkmate,  Sep 13 {  1:39pm, 2019 }:40^(-7)  Xφეυ
      In the city, you can rent a micro-apartment and order Uber eats.

Checkmate replied ( to me ):
> > Banks package mortgage loans and sell them to Japan.
> > When the loans go bad, the banks just laugh.
> 
> I don't think that trick still works.

No, it's still going on, same as always;
it's one reason why FDIC insured banks are so safe.

Unregulated "shadow banks" are out in force too,
stronger than ever, chasing yields;
recently, some of them have gone under.

> > You and Greg belong to the same apocalypse cult, apparently.
> > You should be neighbors, along with Ted Kaczynski.
> 
> It's an example of MGTOW in its purest form.  
> You disdain others, so why would you live in a shoe box in a city ?

I don't "disdain" everyone; I just don't want to be 
_ heavily _ involved in someone's life, that's all.
as long as I can keep some distance, I'm fine.

> > The room below me was playing music too loud, too long.
> > I thumped out a message to him using a sledgehammer.
> > He stopped.
> 
> That's your city micro apartment for ya...

90 % of the time it's fine, quiet.
He's in the room below me; 
so I can make his life hell, if I wanted to.
 
> > I thought you lived in Seattle.
> 
> I'm a comfortable distance away from any cities, 
> I couldn't stand living in one.

I don't have a car ( Amazon works well enough ).
Nor do I have a huge house.  Both are _ huge _ advantages.
 
> I just substantially increased my silver holdings, BTW.

Silver isn't very convenient and inflation isn't a big concern.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.12--11.37am.Seattle.2019
            Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37e451d4ea6878ecba7@news.altopia.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.12--2.46pm.Seattle.2019
        Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37e4750cadea4d43bb6@news.altopia.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.12--5.28pm.Seattle.2019
    Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37e4df7ad60ea015bbc@news.altopia.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.13--0.35am.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 3  m98 Cool; 3.1 Minutes, MicroPlanet, Alt.NET➤NET-Abuse.Checkmate,  Sep 13 {   : 5am, 2019 }: 6^(-7)  XφΟр
      In the city, you can rent a micro-apartment and order Uber eats.

I wrote:
> > Trying to change others is a losing game; it'll drive you mad.

The room below me was playing music too loud, too long.

Before, when I asked him to " Please turn it down. ",
the rude bastard replied "No".

So, this time, I thumped out a message to him using a sledgehammer.
He stopped.

Checky replied ( to me ):
> There is no way I could live in a crowded city with mobs of people 
> everywhere carrying who-knows-what diseases.

I thought you lived in Seattle.

Diseases have never been an issue for me.
I spent nothing on healthcare, not even insurance, last 30+ years;
so I've no idea what you and Greg might be worried about it.

> When society starts feeling the strain from the upcoming pain,
> that thin veneer of civilization will quickly disappear, 
> and all hell will break loose.

You and Greg belong to the same apocalypse cult, apparently.
You should be neighbors, along with Ted Kaczynski.
 
> I'm sure as hell not going to pay a bank for the privilege of 
> keeping my money there so they can profit from it "investing"
> in derivatives or using it to create loans that people will 
> most likely default on.

Banks package mortgage loans and sell them to Japan.
When the loans go bad, the banks just laugh.

> The Bank of Rick will be backed by gold.

I won't be investing there.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.12--2.46pm.Seattle.2019
            Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37e4750cadea4d43bb6@news.altopia.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.12--5.28pm.Seattle.2019
        Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  trolne5idmgopjeoofon0n2u70vlm194bp@4ax.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.12--6.09pm.Seattle.2019
    Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  j5rlnetbaj69vp83kkscv1761m7djkm609@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.12--11.51pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 3  m85 Dropped; 5.3 Hours, F_Agent, Alt.NET,  Sep 12 {  6:17pm, 2019 }:41^(-4)  Xφʄუ
      I don't need no stinking approval.

Greg replied ( to me ):
> > I'm a fat 60-year-old smoker; 
> > I probably don't have many years left.
> 
> Why are you a fat smoker ?  No self-discipline ?

I eat and smoke whatever I want.

" You can live to be a hundred if you give up 
  all the things that make you want to live 
  to be a hundred. " -- Woody Allen.

> No desire for a long, happy and healthy life? 

Long, "No".  Happy, "Yes".

> No self-esteem?

I don't need no stinking approval.

> You are a liberal. 

So are you, so is everyone.

> This is pure insanity and partially due to their
> living in cities surrounded by likewise defective thinkers.

You and Ted Kaczynski would get along fine.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.12--11.37am.Seattle.2019
            Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37e451d4ea6878ecba7@news.altopia.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.12--2.46pm.Seattle.2019
        Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37e4750cadea4d43bb6@news.altopia.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.12--5.28pm.Seattle.2019
    Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  trolne5idmgopjeoofon0n2u70vlm194bp@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.12--6.09pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m145 Dropped; 22 Minutes, F_Agent, Alt.NET,  Sep 12 {  5:39pm, 2019 }: 6^(-4)  XφɾΛ
      Have you turned your exile into an Apocalypse cult ?

Greg replied ( to me ):
> > > > People are moving to the city, leaving the farm.
> > > > I suggest you do the same, stay in the city.
> 
> Let's say Seattle has an outbreak of bubonic plague
> in the homeless population. [ You'll be Quarantined ]

Have you turned your exile into an Apocalypse cult ?

An asteroid or a GammaRay burst would be more likely.

Also, I'm a fat 60-year-old smoker; 
I probably don't have many years left.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.12--10.20am.Seattle.2019
            Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37e426c1f4729650ba3@news.altopia.com
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.12--11.37am.Seattle.2019
        Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37e451d4ea6878ecba7@news.altopia.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.12--2.46pm.Seattle.2019
    Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37e4750cadea4d43bb6@news.altopia.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.12--5.28pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 9  m206 Mad; 13.6 Minutes, MicroPlanet, Alt.NET➤NET-Abuse.Checkmate,  Sep 12 {  4:30pm, 2019 }:59^(-7)  Xφɳx
      In the city, you can rent a micro-apartment and order Uber eats.

Checky replied ( to me ):
> > Long-Term:  People are moving to the city, leaving the farm.
> > I suggest you do the same, stay in the city.
> 
> Fuck no!  The last place you want to be when SHTF, is in a city.
> [ people are ] moving to small farms to sustain themselves,
> not to make a business out of it.

According to you, Greg has done the right thing then.
According to me, he's exiled himself; it's self-imprisonment.

In the city, you can rent a micro-apartment and order Uber eats.

> I could say gold is going to the moon, and I'd be right; 
> -- it's the WHEN part that's usually wrong.

Since the end of 2015, the Yen has been tracking gold,
as will the dollar, eventually, if all all goes right;
complete with negative interest rates.

> I sort through all the crap and try to make sense out of it.

We've a limited number of crappy choices.
You can't blame the guy who "chooses" to jump out the window
when the house is on fire.

Likewise, governments are forced to make crappy "choices";
e.g. enabling drugs and thieving junkies.
 
> > Governments subsidize devil-may-care deadbeats/junkies
> > and penalize penny-pinching capitalists, creating bubbles.
> 
> If they can get to it, they can take it.  
> You could wake up one day and find your account has been frozen.

Hence:  I only invest in myself; I don't trust anyone.
 
> > Long-Term:  People are living alone now, ditching friends+family.
> 
> I'm happier living alone than I ever was living with others.

Amen.  Trying to change others is a losing game; it'll drive you mad.
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              .  Z2reF.381875$cG6.54806@fx34.iad
            .  qldgi5$1f8$1@dont-email.me
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.12--10.20am.Seattle.2019
        Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37e426c1f4729650ba3@news.altopia.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.12--11.37am.Seattle.2019
    Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37e451d4ea6878ecba7@news.altopia.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.12--2.46pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m95 Cool; 23.8 Minutes, MicroPlanet, Alt.NET➤NET-Abuse.Checkmate,  Sep 12 {  2:  pm, 2019 }:37^(-7)  Xφɚb
      People are moving to the city, leaving the farm.

Checky replied ( to me ):
> > Where's your money now, in an FDIC insured savings account ?
> 
> Most of it's in no-penalty CDs now, earning 2.25%, which I can take out at any 
> time.  Some is in CDs that mature next April, earning 2.90%, and the rest is in 
> a brokerage account, where most is parked in a settlement fund earning ~2%.  

Sounds safe, if not profitable.

> I've very little confidence in the solvency of the FDIC, 

It's the safest way to go, I think.

> I don't want to risk storing a lot of money in any form myself

Right, because Governments subsidize devil-may-care deadbeats/junkies
and penalize penny-pinching capitalists, creating bubbles.

> I want to put most of it in a small farm, which is probably 
> the safest store of wealth for what you don't need to live on.

Long-Term:  People are moving to the city, leaving the farm.

I suggest you do the same, stay in the city.

> If real estate prices take a dump as expected, I'll 
> probably rent out the house I'm living in and enjoy the passive income.  
> I've been a landlord before, and I hate dealing with renters.

Long-Term:  People are living alone now, ditching friends+family.

I suggest you do the same, no renters.
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              .  PM5eF.71031$id3.8040@fx12.iad
            .  qld69v$vd6$1@news.albasani.net
          .  Z2reF.381875$cG6.54806@fx34.iad
        .  qldgi5$1f8$1@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.12--10.20am.Seattle.2019
    Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37e426c1f4729650ba3@news.altopia.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.12--11.37am.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╳ 1  m93 Cool; 35.8 Minutes, MicroPlanet, Alt.NET➤NET-Abuse.Checkmate,  Sep 12 { 10:56am, 2019 }:57^(-7)  XφxΒ
      Where's your money now ?

Checky replied ( to me ):
> > The next housing crisis is going to be worse than 2008:
> 
> I'm counting on it.  
> I'm going to go bargain hunting when it collapses.

Where's your money now, in an FDIC insured savings account,
losing 2 % a year, after inflation ?
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              FredW│fredw@ninmule_invalid  nrgdnepnsaohuipap40loh92f2a8a8rco3@7ax.com
            RHB│RHB@LaLaLand_inc  ql9sup$f0k$1@gioia.aioe.org
          Rabid_Robot│rabid@rob_ot  PM5eF.71031$id3.8040@fx12.iad
        RHB│FHS@LaLaLand_inc  qld69v$vd6$1@news.albasani.net
      Rabid_Rogue│rabid@rog_ue  Z2reF.381875$cG6.54806@fx34.iad
    Paul│nospam@needed_invalid  qldgi5$1f8$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.12--10.20am.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m136 Top; 3.4 Hours, Ratcatcher/2_0_0_25, Eternal-September.ORG,  Sep 12 {  6:17am, 2019 }:57^(-4)  XφCჳ
      The next housing crisis is going to be worse than 2008.

RHB wrote:
> > > I disabled the touch-screens on my PCs.  They were of no use to me. 
> > > The laptop with the haywire cursor now works like new.

Ha ! I got it right.

Another thing I got right (probably): 

  The next housing crisis is going to be worse than 2008:

    " Housing Bubble 2.0 "
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGCQIHtgqvU

Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, designed by the government ( for deadbeats ),
are worse off now than they've ever been -- they're leveraged 1000 to 1;
and they back half of America's 10 trillion $ mortgage market. 

What happens when the ( once illegal ) 4.3 trillion $ stock buyback ends ?
In case you're wondering, 4.3 trillion $ is a huge chunk of the market.

Can Trump's (wild) deficit spending delay the pop until after the election ?

  http://Jeff-Relf.Me/Deficits-n-Recession.PNG

Paul wrote:
> [ Coke removes rust from chrome bumpers ]
> The phosphoric acid in the Coke [is] likely the active ingredient.

In India, farmers use Coca-Cola as a pesticide, because it's cheaper.
Caffeine, Cocaine, Heroin, etc. are Nature's insecticides.
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              T│T@invalid_invalid  ql4gt4$602$3@dont-email.me
            Rabid_Robot│rabid@rob_ot  IqydF.464116$6H5.355276@fx45.iad
          T│T@invalid_invalid  ql6m8o$7qn$1@dont-email.me
        Mayayana│mayayana@invalid_  ql8540$j8t$1@dont-email.me
      Bucky_Breeder│Breeder_Bucky  XnsAAC75A7BD6289BuckyWire@69.16.179.59
    Mayayana│mayayana@invalid_  qlavid$l9m$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.11--7.59am.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m52 Cool; 26.8 Minutes, Outlook, Eternal-September.ORG,  Sep 11 {  7:14am, 2019 }:45^(-4)  Xυʎʥ
      "God" is literally nature herself; nothing more, nothing less.

Mayayana wrote:
> If you regard God as either a local entity or a universal
> entity, that literal understanding of God is [ dogmatic ].

"God" is literally nature herself; nothing more, nothing less.

People reject "her" because they either can't or won't think.
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              Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  n3jcne9f97kkp3mdeoh06h4fgtllk1nh7r@4ax.com
            Kensi  ql7504$1q6v$4@gioia.aioe.org
          BenJacoby  ql791b$etm$1@gioia.aioe.org
        MsNadegda  ql8tdh$vis$6@dont-email.me
      Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  jcufne5se5k2lagp0tirdglkoo3ej3alg2@4ax.com
    Kensi  ql9rlq$859$3@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.11--3.07am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate, Talk.Politics.Guns
    ╱ 1  m123 Cool; 5.3 Hours, NewsTap➤iPad, Aioe.ORG,  Sep 10 {  9: 3pm, 2019 }: 3^(2)  XυeΘ
      Lets all chip-in and buy Kensi unlimited access to Google.

Kensi replied ( to Greg ):
> > 2014 comes in when Al Gore said and other climate alarmists agreed that
> > the North Pole would be ice free the year around by 2014.
> 
> [ citation needed ]

Lets all chip-in and buy Kensi unlimited access to Google.

Jonathan Amos, Science reporter, BBC News, San Francisco, Dec 2007:

  Scientists in the US have presented one of the most 
  dramatic forecasts yet for the disappearance of Arctic sea ice.    

  " But as we've seen, the models aren't fast enough right now;
    we are losing ice at a much more rapid rate. "    

  " My thinking on this is that 2030 is not an 
    unreasonable date to be thinking of. "    

  Former US Vice President Al Gore cited Professor 
  Maslowski's analysis on Monday in his acceptance 
  speech at the Nobel Peace Prize ceremony in Oslo.   
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      HerbertGlazier  ee24c29d-db6c-416e-958e-16219bb26fca@googlegroups.com
    Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  gtrq9gFnfgtU1@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.11--2.33am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 1  m31 Top; 38.5 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win7, Individual.NET,  Sep 11 {  1:41am, 2019 }:19^(10)  Xυɖэ
      Paying off the X.

Sylvia replied ( to Bert ):
> > Does any Object Spin 100% True  ?
> > My "spin is in" theory gives the answer as "no".
> 
> What does "spin true" mean ?

All we really know is that he's a pool shark ( 8 ball )
and that this theory of his is worth 28 Nobel prizes.

Einstein thought of his Nobel Prize as little more than
a way to pay off his ex-wife, so she didn't hang around.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.10--0.43am.Seattle.2019
            nospam│nospam@nospam_invalid  100920190519402728%nospam@nospam.invalid
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.10--3.26am.Seattle.2019
        nospam│nospam@nospam_invalid  100920190703256933%nospam@nospam.invalid
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.10--10.03am.Seattle.2019
    nospam│nospam@nospam_invalid  100920191322402302%nospam@nospam.invalid
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.10--10.59am.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m134 Dropped; 14.7 Minutes, Thoth➤Mac, Eternal-September.ORG,  Sep 10 { 10:22am, 2019 }:40^(-4)  XτгЦ
      No one wants to zoom, and backwards compatibility is undesirable.

Mr. "nospam" replied ( to me ):
> > File Explorer is too old,
> > the original creators are probably long gone.
> > Why else would they not implement Ctrl-Wheel zoom ?
> 
> because microsoft doesn't think its a useful feature. 
> adding it is easy, if they choose to do so. 

Oh, now I see... no one wants to zoom; 
so Microsoft didn't implement it.

Had people wanted it, they could've _ easily _ done it,
all they had to do was hire you, the great Mr. "nospam".

When the replacement comes out, it'll have Ctrl-Wheel zoom.
Why then and not now ?!

> > Why did they create a whole new suite of settings dialogues,
> > instead of modifying the original one, Control Panel ?
> 
> because the old ones were awful, and that's just the user interface,
> not what's underneath.

Right, no one wants to zoom File Explorer.  Got it.
Thank God you're here, to explain things.

> > Why does Quantum Firefox not allow prior extensions,
> 
> because the extension API's changed, not the entire codebase,
> and has nothing to do with c++.

Got it.
No one wants to zoom, and backwards compatibility is undesirable.
Anything else you want to enlighten us on ?

> > and how come most of the extensions weren't replaced years ago ?
> 
> it's up to extension developers to update to the new API's.

Got it.

No one wants to zoom, backwards compatibility is undesirable,
and hordes of extension developers just decided to give up, 
for some _ random _ reason.

Anything else you want to enlighten us on ?

> > If this is too much for you, I'll type slower.
> 
> i'm well ahead of you.

You're insane.

Permanent brain damage, I assume.
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              Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  t41dnetb4su8vdpmtqe6sf29aigahr47a0@4ax.com
            ScottDoty  gtojdpF232nU5@mid.individual.net
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.10--0.43am.Seattle.2019
        nospam│nospam@nospam_invalid  100920190519402728%nospam@nospam.invalid
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.10--3.26am.Seattle.2019
    nospam│nospam@nospam_invalid  100920190703256933%nospam@nospam.invalid
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.10--10.03am.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m81 Dropped; 5.7 Hours, Thoth➤Mac, Eternal-September.ORG,  Sep 10 {  4: 3am, 2019 }:25^(-4)  Xτϖζ
      I'll type slower.

Mr. "nospam" replied ( to me ):
> > large C++ apps are usually rewritten, not modified.
> 
> having worked on too many to count, that's absolutely false.

....except when it's absolutely true.

File Explorer is too old,
the original creators are probably long gone.

Why else would they not implement Ctrl-Wheel zoom ?

Why did they create a whole new suite of settings dialogues,
instead of modifying the original one, Control Panel ?

Why does Quantum Firefox not allow prior extensions,
and how come most of the extensions weren't replaced years ago ?

If this is too much for you, I'll type slower.
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        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.9--9.47am.Seattle.2019
      MrAA  becf33cb-f35d-4ed8-b611-f118983c4978@googlegroups.com
    HerbertGlazier  15615f54-e78f-475a-b2e7-4b5f17526735@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.10--3.37am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 8  m210 Mad; 7.6 Hours, GoogleG, 74.118.32.5,  Sep  9 {  7:50pm, 2019 }:46^(PDT)  Xτʔʦ
      I only invest in myself.

Bert wrote:
> My retirement plan has always been to save as much as I can.
> To have the best credit.  Don't people see sense in that ?
> 
> I never played the market.
> I would rather play poker and shoot pool to gamble. 
> I will never retire.  Making $$$$ is fun.

I'm with you Bert, but I don't play gambling games.

Historically, long-term stock market investing has made sense;
but I don't have that many years to live.

I don't trust anyone; I only invest in myself.
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            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.9--9.47am.Seattle.2019
          Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  t41dnetb4su8vdpmtqe6sf29aigahr47a0@4ax.com
        ScottDoty  gtojdpF232nU5@mid.individual.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.10--0.43am.Seattle.2019
    nospam│nospam@nospam_invalid  100920190519402728%nospam@nospam.invalid
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.10--3.26am.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m80 Dropped; 56.9 Minutes, Thoth➤Mac, Eternal-September.ORG,  Sep 10 {  2:19am, 2019 }:40^(-4)  Xτξɤ
      Mr. "nospam" is still an idiot.

You're still an idiot, Mr. "nospam";
and I'm not the only one who thinks so.

JavaScript is easy to copy and modify;
large C++ apps are usually rewritten, not modified.

And no, I do not care what your hallucinations are telling you today.
Lay off the pot, won't you ?!
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            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.9--9.47am.Seattle.2019
          Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  t41dnetb4su8vdpmtqe6sf29aigahr47a0@4ax.com
        ScottDoty  gtojdpF232nU5@mid.individual.net
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.10--0.43am.Seattle.2019
    Unsteadyken│unsteadyken@gmail_  MPG.37e17a493992148e9896d4@News.Individual.NET
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.10--3.20am.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m1 Shifty; 60 Minutes, MicroPlanet, Individual.NET,  Sep 10 {  2:16am, 2019 }:39^(1)  XτνХ
      File Explorer doesn't zoom.

Ken replied ( to me ):
> > Look at Microsoft Windows 10 v1903 File Explorer;
> > Ctrl-Wheel doesn't zoom, as one would expect.
> 
> I looked, and it zooms quite satisfactorily on V 1903 Build 18362.329

You're wrong.  File Explorer doesn't zoom.

What are you looking at, Internet Explorer ?
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        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.9--9.47am.Seattle.2019
      Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  t41dnetb4su8vdpmtqe6sf29aigahr47a0@4ax.com
    ScottDoty  gtojdpF232nU5@mid.individual.net
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.10--0.43am.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m61 Top; 3.7 Hours, Pan, Individual.NET,  Sep  9 {  8:25pm, 2019 }:45  Xτʚɩ
      Firefox v58 (Quantum) was a rewrite.

Different code for different jobs.
JavaScript is easy to read; C++, not so much.

Look at Microsoft Windows 10 v1903 File Explorer;
Ctrl-Wheel doesn't zoom, as one would expect.

Why ? because it was written in C, many years ago;
so no one can modify it.

Further, no one will ever modify it, never !
Likewise, no one could modify Windows Control Panel.

Always, the solution is a complete rewrite;
This is what I do, and it's what everyone does.

Firefox v58 (Quantum) was a rewrite;
it happens all the time.
              ...
My first job, in 1981, Provo Utah, at BYU, was coding in 
Modula-2 on a Lilith machine designed by Niklaus Wirth.
Even back then, I had a multi-button mouse.

Since then, the Swiss (Logitech) have improved their game; see:

  http://Jeff-Relf.Me/MouseKeyboardLayout.PNG

1983, my then-wife forced me to work for one of those "enterprise" 
type companies, because it paid more -- fuck her, fuck them.

1993, almost 27 years ago, I was free to do what I wanted;
so I started working for professors under "ABA.COM" contracts,
-- and that's where I am now ( but my boss barely knows me ).
Everyone who used to know me is now retired.
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      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.9--9.47am.Seattle.2019
    Sir_Gregory_Hall_Esq_│greghall  t41dnetb4su8vdpmtqe6sf29aigahr47a0@4ax.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.9--11.04am.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m138 Dropped; 47.1 Minutes, F_Agent, Alt.NET,  Sep  9 { 10:  am, 2019 }:24^(-4)  XτoO
      No housemates nor family to drive you crazy.

Greg replied ( to me ):
> It's the packing in of humans like sardines
> that's making you crazy.

I was stating facts, not longing for the past.

In micro-apartments, you've no housemates nor family
to drive you crazy -- plus you can order Uber eats.

Living up in the hills, as you do, is self exile;
-- little better than prison.
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Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.9--9.47am.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
      Stock buybacks ( 4.3 trillion $ ).

Stock buybacks ( 4.3 trillion $ ) are a relatively new thing,
-- before 1982, they were illegal; also, 
it means companies can't invest properly.

Once they end, the stock market will plunge,
taking down lofty real estate prices with it.

Negative interest rates in Asia and Europe,
and the inverted yield curve in America, 
means people are going mad, in search of higher yields.

The result: Record levels of defaults on low-quality debt,
despite the robust economy ( fueled by government deficits );
it's 2007 all over again, shadow banks and all, but worse.

Speaking of defaults, former dads have to pay ( after-tax )
child support based whatever income a judge _ thinks _ 
he _ should _ be making, not his actual income.

And not one drop of it may be forgiven,
not for _ any _ reason.

Make America great again ?!

My father's income was enough to raise a family of 8.
We don't see that anymore; women ditch their men,
taking their kids, their salary, and their dignity.
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    Archimedes_Plutonium│plutonium_  e2aabbd8-79fb-49e0-8665-bfdddc2f081a@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.9--7.05am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics
    +-, 1.4 Weeks, GoogleG,  Aug 30 {  9: 5am, 2019 }:19^(PDT)  Xνʠэ
      You'll go mad trying to change people.

Archimedes_Plutonium wrote:
> About Jeff Relf -- never any math, never any physics,

"Sci.Physics" is nothing like Wikipedia, and it never will be.
When you post math, AP, you piss people off.

If you can't handle Wikipedia proper, that's your problem, not mine.

I frequently post physics; 
however, it's usually met with silence.

I carried on a small discussion about evolution recently;
it didn't go anywhere, of course, no one changed their "minds".

> Relf makes sci.physics a waste site, a refuse collection

It is what it is, get used to it.
You'll go mad trying to change people, like that. 

> " I see the mess the higher minimum-wage has created. "
> By Jeff-Relf.Me 91 posts, 21 views, updated 9:53 AM.

Unlike you, AP, most people enjoy that topic.
And you"ve no idea how many people viewed it,
because most people don't use (funky) Google Groups.
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        Big_Bad_Bob│BigBadBob-at-mrp3  sOWdnWC8BITLy-jAnZ2dnUU7-RPNnZ2d@earthlink.com
      Keith_Nuttle│Keith_Nuttle  ql3p6d$iom$1@gioia.aioe.org
    Big_Bad_Bob│BigBadBob-at-mrp3  Sq-dnUcUspgy9ujAnZ2dnUU7-a-dnZ2d@earthlink.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.8--6.48pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 9  m19 Cool; 4.4 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤X11, Earthlink.COM, 66.47.136.67,  Sep  8 {  1:59pm, 2019 }:27^(-7)  Xσκვ
      Microsoft missionaries bursting through your door.

Every time Microsoft forces another update
it's like Mormon missionaries bursting through the door
and taking over  -- " What the fuck ?! ", people say;
but it falls on deaf ears.
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              Just_Wondering│JW@jw_com  nsYcF.462831$6H5.435896@fx45.iad
            MsNadegda  ql1kl0$jcn$4@dont-email.me
          Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37de028e7a4dfaecaea@news.altopia.com
        Kensi  ql1vhn$bnm$3@gioia.aioe.org
      Checkmate│ricksabian1@gmail_  MPG.37de2a67c044867eafd@news.altopia.com
    MsNadegda  ql3os3$jcn$7@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.8--6.02pm.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics, Talk.Politics.Guns, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 7  m42 Cool; 4.2 Hours, F_Agent, Eternal-September.ORG,  Sep  8 {  1:38pm, 2019 }:27  Xσηʓ
      Neanderthals burned coal, Google it.

Neanderthals burned coal, Google it.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.6--7.21am.Seattle.2019
            Mayayana│mayayana@invalid_  qktrnp$ofc$1@dont-email.me
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.6--8.30am.Seattle.2019
        Mayayana│mayayana@invalid_  qku9b5$hgr$1@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.6--1.42pm.Seattle.2019
    Sergio│invalid@invalid_com  ql1dcf$187$1@gioia.aioe.org
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.7--4.16pm.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 7  m575 Mad; 15 Secs, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤Win7, Aioe.ORG,  Sep  7 {  4:10pm, 2019 }: 1^(-5)  Xςჭϡ
      "drinking the Kool-Aid".

Sergio replied ( to me ):
> > Such people eat too much, have too much sex,
> > birth too many kids, and are drinking the Kool-Aid.
> > They live/die faster.
> 
> some people had the Koolaid first, then sex,

Google "drinking the Kool-Aid", if you can.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.7--5.55am.Seattle.2019
            AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  ql0guv$suo$2@dont-email.me
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.7--8.13am.Seattle.2019
        AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  ql0ocn$7cs$1@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.7--10.49am.Seattle.2019
    AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  ql19ee$a6h$2@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.7--4.03pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m70 Cool; 52.2 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Sep  7 {  3: 2pm, 2019 }:56^(-6)  XςტΑ
      Moses wrote the 10 Commandments.

AnonLinuxUser replied ( to me ):
> > > probe and understand the 10 commandments
> > 
> > Would you be the only one following Moses ?
> 
> What has that got to do with anything?

Moses wrote the 10 Commandments.
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              Mayayana│mayayana@invalid_  qktst6$9p$1@dont-email.me
            Rabid_Robot│rabid@rob_ot  IcAcF.533903$on8.24095@fx46.iad
          AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  qkupsi$eko$4@dont-email.me
        Rabid_Robot│rabid@rob_ot  RkDcF.70034$mg2.41799@fx09.iad
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.7--5.55am.Seattle.2019
    Rabid_Robot│rabid@rob_ot  g5ScF.114081$_a4.19187@fx18.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.7--10.55am.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m260 Dropped; 57 Secs, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Sep  7 { 10:50am, 2019 }: 6^(-4)  Xςиɾ
      I believe thinking is a virtue.

Rabid_Robot wrote:
> I'm sure alcoholics would be overjoyed to learn
> that they're highly evolved, not bums.

Unlike you, I believe thinking is a virtue;
so I don't drink like that.

Nor will I drink your Kool-Aid.
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              AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  qkupsi$eko$4@dont-email.me
            Rabid_Robot│rabid@rob_ot  RkDcF.70034$mg2.41799@fx09.iad
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.7--5.55am.Seattle.2019
        AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  ql0guv$suo$2@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.7--8.13am.Seattle.2019
    AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  ql0ocn$7cs$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.7--10.49am.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m68 Cool; 25.1 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Sep  7 { 10:11am, 2019 }:54^(-6)  Xςбჰ
      Would you be the only one following Moses ?

AnonLinuxUser replied ( to me ):
> you need to probe and understand what the 10 commandments are all about

Would you be the only one following Moses ?

Every society uses guns to steal from you, to control you.
Every society unapologetically kills people.
No society endorses your foolish " bed-bug God in the sky ".

Again, You stopped thinking long ago.

> This God that you talk about is the underlying consciousnes
> of everything... including you and everybody else.

God is nature; nothing more, nothing less.
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              Rabid_Robot│rabid@rob_ot  ChucF.210515$OU6.2166@fx40.iad
            Mayayana│mayayana@invalid_  qktst6$9p$1@dont-email.me
          Rabid_Robot│rabid@rob_ot  IcAcF.533903$on8.24095@fx46.iad
        Mayayana│mayayana@invalid_  qkv0k4$e97$1@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.7--6.03am.Seattle.2019
    Mayayana│mayayana@invalid_  ql0deg$9e7$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.7--8.23am.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m7 Shifty; 1.2 Hours, Outlook, Eternal-September.ORG,  Sep  7 {  7: 4am, 2019 }:10^(-4)  XςВϸ
      Enjoy your mindless life, Mayayana.

Enjoy your mindless life, Mayayana.

Evolution is beyond obvious. 

An old man up in the sky, waving a magic wand,
making bedbugs resistant to our pesticides,
is beyond ridiculous.

"Free Will" ( the uncaused cause ) is absurd.
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              Mayayana│mayayana@invalid_  qktst6$9p$1@dont-email.me
            Rabid_Robot│rabid@rob_ot  IcAcF.533903$on8.24095@fx46.iad
          AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  qkupsi$eko$4@dont-email.me
        Rabid_Robot│rabid@rob_ot  RkDcF.70034$mg2.41799@fx09.iad
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.7--5.55am.Seattle.2019
    AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  ql0guv$suo$2@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.7--8.13am.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m67 Cool; 2.9 Minutes, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, Eternal-September.ORG,  Sep  7 {  8: 5am, 2019 }: 6^(-6)  XςМр
      You stopped thinking.

AnonLinuxUser replied ( to me ):
> > "God" is that guy who creates those pesticide resistant bed-bugs ?
> > How does he do it, a magic wand ?
> > And how can you reject the obvious explanation: evolution ?
> 
> You don't get it yet.  Someday, you will.

Only if I turn off my brain, like you have.

You've been semi-randomly programed by "God" (nature)
to exploit a niche -- to consume, like the sun.
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        T│T@invalid_invalid  qkuude$4gm$1@dont-email.me
      Paul│nospam@needed_invalid  qkuvp6$abi$1@dont-email.me
    T│T@invalid_invalid  qkv2lg$nd3$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.7--6.27am.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10
    ╱ 5  m114 Cool; 10.7 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤X11, Eternal-September.ORG,  Sep  6 {  6:54pm, 2019 }:55^(-7)  Xςʋt
      MANUALLY tell Win10 to open .VBS files using "CScript".

MANUALLY tell Win10 to open .VBS files using "CScript".

Win10 only trusts the manual choice, not apps/scripts.   
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              Rabid_Robot│rabid@rob_ot  N4ucF.533898$on8.533281@fx46.iad
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.6--7.36am.Seattle.2019
          Rabid_Robot│rabid@rob_ot  ChucF.210515$OU6.2166@fx40.iad
        Mayayana│mayayana@invalid_  qktst6$9p$1@dont-email.me
      Rabid_Robot│rabid@rob_ot  IcAcF.533903$on8.24095@fx46.iad
    Mayayana│mayayana@invalid_  qkv0k4$e97$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.7--6.03am.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m47 Cool; 11.3 Hours, Outlook, Eternal-September.ORG,  Sep  6 {  6:19pm, 2019 }:10^(-4)  Xςʅȼ
      The truth hurts, no ?

Mayayana dreamed:
> if he moved them to a new pool their coloring would change to suit.
> There's no way to explain such things with natural selection.

Chameleons, squid and octopuses do the same thing, only better.

Evolution has favored those who could 
rapidly change the color(s) of their skin.

The truth hurts, no ?
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.6--7.36am.Seattle.2019
            Rabid_Robot│rabid@rob_ot  ChucF.210515$OU6.2166@fx40.iad
          Mayayana│mayayana@invalid_  qktst6$9p$1@dont-email.me
        Rabid_Robot│rabid@rob_ot  IcAcF.533903$on8.24095@fx46.iad
      AnonLinuxUser│Anon@Linuxusers_  qkupsi$eko$4@dont-email.me
    Rabid_Robot│rabid@rob_ot  RkDcF.70034$mg2.41799@fx09.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.7--5.55am.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 2  m112 Dropped; 11.5 Hours, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Sep  6 {  6: 2pm, 2019 }:42^(-4)  Xςʂʢ
      You didn't "submit" to anything, you just stopped thinking.

Rabid_Robot wrote:
> I went through Hell last year and
> submitted to God in an effort to resolve my situation.

"God" is that guy who creates those pesticide resistant bed-bugs ?
How does he do it, a magic wand ?
And how can you reject the obvious explanation: evolution ?

You didn't "submit" to anything, you just stopped thinking
so you could fuck more, eat more, breed more, 
and drink more of that delicious Kool-Aid.

Q. And why do you want such things ?!

A. Because you've been semi-randomly programed by "God" (nature)
   to exploit a niche -- to consume, like the sun.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.5--10.10pm.Seattle.2019
            Mayayana│mayayana@invalid_  qktmmn$olt$1@dont-email.me
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.6--7.21am.Seattle.2019
        Mayayana│mayayana@invalid_  qktrnp$ofc$1@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.6--8.30am.Seattle.2019
    Mayayana│mayayana@invalid_  qku9b5$hgr$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.6--1.42pm.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m5 Shifty; 1.4 Hours, Outlook, Eternal-September.ORG,  Sep  6 { 11:41am, 2019 }:50^(-4)  Xςȸწ
      "Free Will" is the uncaused cause ?!

"Free Will" is the uncaused cause ?!

It makes absolutely no sense.

Not only do computers "think" they do so faster than you.

Just because we run a different program, on different hardware,
doesn't mean that we haven't been programmed.

Again, we were semi-randomly programed by "God" (nature)
to exploit various niches -- to consume, like the sun.

Some people allow their primal selves to take control,
suppressing their logical side -- and they do "OK".

Such people eat too much, have too much sex,
birth too many kids, and are drinking the Kool-Aid.
They live/die faster.
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        MitchellRaemsch  25b465b8-f0a7-47fe-935b-a455bc03a121@googlegroups.com
      Sylvia_Else│sylvia@email_  gtdvcuFqbnlU1@mid.individual.net
    HerbertGlazier  4cf142ce-ec7c-482b-8d41-9276048d8030@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.6--11.32am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 2  m255 Mad; 38.2 Minutes, GoogleG, 74.118.32.5,  Sep  6 { 10:30am, 2019 }:38^(PDT)  Xςtc
      "virtual" isn't the same is "real".

Bert wrote:
> They are called "virtual particles"
> They do have an effect on atoms. 

"virtual" isn't the same is "real".

When you're ignorant, "virtual" is the best you can do.

"dark matter" is vacuum energy.
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      MitchellRaemsch  25b465b8-f0a7-47fe-935b-a455bc03a121@googlegroups.com
    HerbertGlazier  c6db7bfc-4d1d-49f3-b4fd-9f71a7019f8b@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.6--11.27am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 3  m255 Mad; 57.4 Minutes, GoogleG, 74.118.32.5,  Sep  6 { 10:11am, 2019 }:26^(PDT)  Xςpე
      "God" (nature) doesn't play dice because "she" isn't ignorant.

Bert wrote:
> QM has met every test.  Einstein lost with Bohr.

"God" (nature) doesn't play dice because "she" isn't ignorant.

If you think "God" is some lonely old man, up in the sky,
then, sure, he plays dice all day long.
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              MrAA  65727ac2-1161-403a-b1f1-9dbc41dbec26@googlegroups.com
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.5--3.36pm.Seattle.2019
          MrAA  654efb8e-8c8e-4b43-8aa4-9a1dd3d12494@googlegroups.com
        HerbertGlazier  2402f45d-cfc5-46ee-8637-e79c58d58d3f@googlegroups.com
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.5--10.59pm.Seattle.2019
    HerbertGlazier  e062ba03-9369-449c-a95a-8f365c867adb@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.6--11.22am.Seattle.2019
  Sci.Physics
    ╱ 5  m255 Mad; 1.4 Hours, GoogleG, 74.118.32.5,  Sep  6 {  9:44am, 2019 }:20^(PDT)  Xςlʌ
      They'll buy from Vietnam, Taiwan and/or South Korea.

Bert replied ( to me ):
> > Bert's buddies denounce "evil capitalists",
> > i.e. anyone who spends money wisely.
> > If they win, hyperinflation will be the result, as always.
> 
> If commie China raises its prices again, What Then ?

You mean after people pay their 4 thousand $/month mortgage,
property taxes, car insurance, fill up their tank, etc. ?

They'll buy more from Vietnam, Taiwan, and/or South Korea.
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              Rabid_Robot│rabid@rob_ot  RXecF.270159$BJ1.63861@fx43.iad
            HughHuntzinger  aa95ea0f-e2ec-4c5c-80fa-114468c20cdd@googlegroups.com
          Rabid_Robot│rabid@rob_ot  L1gcF.379917$AR4.125838@fx39.iad
        HughHuntzinger  81e5fe0e-ddb9-4c09-9995-f65a602312fc@googlegroups.com
      Rabid_Robot│rabid@rob_ot  JzscF.210510$OU6.807@fx40.iad
    HughHuntzinger  a59c19e2-fcfa-4a18-b4eb-5113317f724e@googlegroups.com
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.6--8.59am.Seattle.2019
  Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy
    ╱ 5  m72 Top; 25.7 Minutes, GoogleG, 143.85.5.26,  Sep  6 {  8: 8am, 2019 }:51^(PDT)  XςVʫ
      When someone doesn't adequately trust "WikiPedia.ORG".

When someone doesn't adequately trust "WikiPedia.ORG", 
I adjust my conversation accordingly, and lower my expectations,
or I just kill-file them.
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              Rabid_Robot│rabid@rob_ot  u7scF.186937$9Z1.139189@fx41.iad
            JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.6--6.35am.Seattle.2019
          Rabid_Robot│rabid@rob_ot  N4ucF.533898$on8.533281@fx46.iad
        JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.6--7.36am.Seattle.2019
      Rabid_Robot│rabid@rob_ot  ChucF.210515$OU6.2166@fx40.iad
    Mayayana│mayayana@invalid_  qktst6$9p$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.6--8.43am.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m3 Shifty; 25 Minutes, Outlook, Eternal-September.ORG,  Sep  6 {  8: 9am, 2019 }:36^(-4)  XςVρ
      Programed by "God" (nature) to exploit niches.

Mayayana wrote:
> Jeff thinks we're all robots,

Yes, programed by "God" (nature) to exploit niches.
This idea goes back as far as human history itself.
Spinoza ( 1650, Netherlands ) and Einstein talked about it.

> yet somehow he also thinks that he can think. 

As do computers.

> Nature seems to have cut corners by not hiring 
> a beta testing crew to make sure the robots function smoothly.

Evolution.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.5--4.09pm.Seattle.2019
            Rabid_Robot│rabid@rob_ot  5ohcF.371537$oq9.353691@fx47.iad
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.5--10.10pm.Seattle.2019
        Mayayana│mayayana@invalid_  qktmmn$olt$1@dont-email.me
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.6--7.21am.Seattle.2019
    Mayayana│mayayana@invalid_  qktrnp$ofc$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.6--8.30am.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m2 Shifty; 14.3 Minutes, Outlook, Eternal-September.ORG,  Sep  6 {  7:49am, 2019 }:39^(-4)  XςSɣ
      Both the murderer and the executioner are completely innocent.

Mayayana replied ( to me ):
> > we're ( sustainably, robotically ) consuming, same as the sun.
> 
> So we're basically machines. 

Yes, like the sun.

> There is no meaning.

We're programed to consume.
Right or wrong, we love sex, food, and Apocalypse cults.

> Nature, which you choose to leave undefined, controls us.

Nature is everything, known and unknown.

How could a lone man ("God") create MRSA, 
and pesticide resistant bed bugs ?
Evolution is the only explanation.

> You talk about valuing logic over impulse
> and what benefits us.

And why some people ( e.g. Rabid_Robot ) couldn't care less about it;
and why they're doing OK without it.

> What is value ?

It's semi-random, "God" (nature) programmed us to consume.
Different people, different species, 
different objects, have different niches.

> Your worldview is mechanistic yet peppered with
> value-laden judgements that seem to be unscrutinized.

What are my "value-laden judgements" ?
I said:

  Our logic is often faulty;
  and some prefer to live&die faster.

Both the murderer and the executioner are completely innocent.

The real world is fully causal;
however, our ignorance makes it appear semi-random.

> You seem to be finding a nihilistic view cozy, 
> and it absolves you of responsibility for your life.

When I was young and innocent, like most of my associates,
I was made to believe in a loving heavenly father.

Coming to terms with harsh reality, e.g. evolution,
-- such as, MRSA, Ebola and pesticide resistant bed bugs --
is not "an abolition of responsibility" -- quite the opposite.

> Your philosophy doesn't hold water, 
> even at the most basic level.
> It's irrational and uninspected. 

....he said, looking in the mirror.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.5--4.09pm.Seattle.2019
            Rabid_Robot│rabid@rob_ot  5ohcF.371537$oq9.353691@fx47.iad
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.5--10.10pm.Seattle.2019
        Rabid_Robot│rabid@rob_ot  u7scF.186937$9Z1.139189@fx41.iad
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.6--6.35am.Seattle.2019
    Rabid_Robot│rabid@rob_ot  N4ucF.533898$on8.533281@fx46.iad
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.6--7.36am.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m103 Cool; 26 Secs, Gecko➤Jan_2010➤WinX, HighWinds➤Blocknews.NET,  Sep  6 {  7:31am, 2019 }: 9^(-4)  XςPȻ
      How could a lone man create MRSA ?

Rabid_Robot replied ( to me Hello):
> > "God" is nature, evolution; not a man.
> 
> In your opinion.

How could a lone man create MRSA, 
and pesticide resistant bed bugs ?

Evolution is the only explanation.
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              JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.5--9.12am.Seattle.2019
            Rabid_Robot│rabid@rob_ot  A3gcF.379918$AR4.248386@fx39.iad
          JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.5--4.09pm.Seattle.2019
        Rabid_Robot│rabid@rob_ot  5ohcF.371537$oq9.353691@fx47.iad
      JeffRelf  Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.5--10.10pm.Seattle.2019
    Mayayana│mayayana@invalid_  qktmmn$olt$1@dont-email.me
Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.6--7.21am.Seattle.2019
  Alt.Comp.OS.Windows-10, Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, Sci.Physics, Alt.Checkmate
    ╱ 1  m42 Cool; 18.1 Minutes, Outlook, Eternal-September.ORG,  Sep  6 {  6:23am, 2019 }:45^(-4)  XςDყ
      Religion, Sex and Food.

Mayayana,

"God" (nature) programmed us to like certain things,
including religion, sex and food;
however, not every primal desire benefits us.

We can/do have inappropriate sex, eat too much food,
and drink-in the Apocalypse cult's Kool-Aid.

Too ofte